Even though reports will surely be posted in the games' threads too I guess a central thread isnt a bad idea as it saves time and hassle to look for the newest info
Art Steventon wrote: Not to put a crimp in the festivities, but it's been confirmed by Tony Cotteril in the FW Seminar that Alan Bligh has passed away.
'Horus Heresy may not follow 40k into 8th edition. At the moment it will stay with 7th edition but moving forward who knows. For the foreseeable feature it will be a 7th edition game.'
Age of darkness rulebook = full on win. I'd come to expect the opposite so massive surprise. When can I order one, will be moving my focus across onto 30K.
Custodes terminators = that talons of the emperor box a brought the other month will now become a full on 30K army.
Alan passing, really sad. He has been a massive part of forge world for many years. About two years ago I was up Warhammer world and had a 10 minute chat with him in bugmans, really nice guy, he was so passionate about his work.
Dawn of war miniatures, odd that there forge world but good to see. Shame the new game doesn't look that promising. At least the miniature isn't doing a jumping backflip attack!
The Age of Darkness rulebook will sure go a long way towards heading off the knee-jerk rage statements about "that damn 8th edition making all my Forgeworld stuff irrelevant!"
AegisGrimm wrote: The Age of Darkness rulebook will sure go a long way towards heading off the knee-jerk rage statements about "that damn 8th edition making all my Forgeworld stuff irrelevant!"
Prepare for instead "I wish they'd just rip the band-aid off, forge world are holding Heresy 8th an unknown distance over my head like the sword of Damocles".
Anyone know if there will be an Imperial Armour : Imperial Agents?
I'm worried about the Repressor for Sisters of Battle. Imperial Agents book would be 3 inquisitors and 1 repressor? Would have expected it to be included in one of the other books?
Ah, sisters will be in the SM book
Datasheets for all of Forge World’s Warhammer 40,000 Space Marines, Forces of the Inquisition and Sisters of Battle models.
AegisGrimm wrote: The Age of Darkness rulebook will sure go a long way towards heading off the knee-jerk rage statements about "that damn 8th edition making all my Forgeworld stuff irrelevant!"
Prepare for instead "I wish they'd just rip the band-aid off, forge world are holding Heresy 8th an unknown distance over my head like the sword of Damocles".
Funny, all I've seen are people with perfectly valid reasons for wanting it to stay 7th(chiefly so they don't have to switch gears midway through and they can have their whole Heresy collection under one system), and those people welcoming the news it's staying 7th. Perhaps rather than putting words in people's mouths and anticipating strawmen in advance, you could read what folk actually say and wait for them to say it? Novel concept I know.
As to all the news so far - a lot to be excited about, but it's really hard to muster any excitement up with the news about Alan Bligh. I never got to meet him myself, but I've never seen a bad word said against the man and he seemed to really, genuinely give a gak about the hobby and about the quality of material coming out of FW.
Thank you FW for doing the right thing and not killing HH.
Excellent news. Fantastic.
Yeah, I like everything I've seen with 8th edition, but it just wouldn't make sense to switch gears right in the middle of it's release.
The biggest reason people moved to HH (aside from the fact that it's AMAZING) is that it was so well designed that 7th edition rules weren't an issue.
I like that it'll stay the way it is, with 40k moving to a new system it gives HH much more of a specialist game vibe.
No need to put them on hold. They are still a viable army right now. I've been playing the death out of them for a year now. When Angelus gets released, they are going to be a very powerful army.
Yeah, RE: sticking with 7th edition; I hoped it would happen and am stoked that it is happening but I am also hyped up for 8th edition mainline 40k because what the main studio did to the 6/7th edition core was atrocious.
The Heresy books pretty much rewrite or fail to use basically all of the problem areas of 7th, starting with formations. The only remaining standout would be the super-heavies/D weapons, which can be tweaked without breaking things entirely.
Thank you FW for doing the right thing and not killing HH.
Excellent news. Fantastic.
Yeah, I like everything I've seen with 8th edition, but it just wouldn't make sense to switch gears right in the middle of it's release.
The biggest reason people moved to HH (aside from the fact that it's AMAZING) is that it was so well designed that 7th edition rules weren't an issue.
I like that it'll stay the way it is, with 40k moving to a new system it gives HH much more of a specialist game vibe.
No need to put them on hold. They are still a viable army right now. I've been playing the death out of them for a year now. When Angelus gets released, they are going to be a very powerful army.
I guess I'm just afraid to commit to units that might not match the synergy of the army down the line, depending on what their special units end up being.
Would be great if they were released like BB so you could get 20% off those plastic prices too ... would be lovely if I got to play the game still with both kidneys
YES! The old Box style! I feared that the new Primaris Dreadnought would change to that ugly Contemptor model.
It looks a little strange without the baby legs, but is pretty cool.
Arbitrator wrote: Damn, that's a... very blocky model from this angle. Looks more like a toy.
Funny you should say that, as it reminds me of a Marine Dread built out of Lego. Kinda the same shape, not perfect proportions, more blocky. There's a few examples of them floating around online.
Arbitrator wrote: Damn, that's a... very blocky model from this angle. Looks more like a toy.
Funny you should say that, as it reminds me of a Marine Dread built out of Lego. Kinda the same shape, not perfect proportions, more blocky. There's a few examples of them floating around online.
To be honest, it looks ultra cool. I'll have 0 problems playing against this
I await better pics of the Redemptor with baited breath Fingers crossed for a Venerable style "head" option. Looks to be roughly twice the height of a MK-X Primaris marine, so just a bit taller then a Contemptor? Seems to be a lot wider as well.
I'm likely going to pick up some Primaris Marines in the future, to bolster my Blood Angels 5th Battle Company. May wind up with one of the new dreads too, but I already want a Death Company Dread first, so not sure about picking up the Redemptor (Though, it's a damn cool model to be sure.)
The Mortarion Vs. Guilliman artwork on the first page is awesome, and the teaser video above is equally fun. I can't wait to see full images of the model. It's looking fantastic.
Hah, they've got poster tubes now. When I was at Warhammer World last month the (excellent) guys and gals working there were running about trying to find a way for me to transport my poster home.
And they seem to have a better supply of RT than I was lead to believe.
One is for me, the other is a prize for my FB group when we hit 750 members!
Didn't do much of the event today. Was definitely a 'cash and dash' affair. But I'm there tomorrow to see what's there to be seen.
Don't suppose you could ask the forge world team if they have any long term intention of providing talons of the emperor models rules for 40k? Obviously they aren't in the immediate indexes as we discovered today.
So, Most things are really shown on saturday right?
Because, most of those new models are kinda disappointing, all stuff we have seem except new turrets.
Forge World
Then we had to rush up 3 flights of stairs for the Forge World seminar. What did we learn today?
The new Thunderhawk is resin. And it looks cool as hell! I asked the gent who designed it if they had considered making it from plastic and he answered honestly that they had but for a number of reasons it just wasn't possible. It doesn;t cost much more than the previous one and you can see that it now fits in nicely with the Stormbird, Mastodon and other FW vehicles.
Big News! 30k is sticking with 7th edition rules, or at least a tweaked version, and will have it's own rule book coming out in a few months. FW did say that they would still be working closely with the 40k development team so I suspect at some point in the future they will join up again.
Valdor is the next 'primarch' miniature. Not a primarch but he is a big character.
Sisters of Silence have some cool vehicles and upgrades coming.
I asked if Forge World were planning to release some storm shields for Grey Slayers and while they didn't say yes or no, Tony did say that some ool upgrades were coming for the Wolves soon.
Primaris Marines and 8th
We got speaking to Aly Morrison about the new miniatures and it was a really fascinating chat about their development. Apparently they've been working on these for over 3 years. That Guilliman miniature that came out this year was originally conceived nearly 4 years ago! These changes have been a long time coming and that alone gives me more confidence that we won't just see standard Space Marines wiped from the table. How many kits have been released in that period? Why would they continue to do that if they knew they would eventually be redundant?
The kits themselves don't look as interchangeable as standard Space Marines. The torso and legs are connected for one. What Aly did say though was that every future Primaris kit is likely to be a little bit different, that the kits already have a lot of variation (explaining why there was no 'Mk. 9', because it is already there in the mix!).
Warhams-77 wrote: Dark Imperium sprues and painted miniatures photos - various unknown sources
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They said the Heads and Shoulder Pads were interchangeable on the Primaris Marines, looks like the Pads are moulded on. Hope it's just the starter set.
angelofvengeance wrote: Is glart a new character then or was he around in the previous editions?
I'm pretty sure that Hamsterface, along with several of the other Star Players in Death Zone Season 2, are new to the game with this edition.
Glart Smashrip jr. (alleged) is new this season; Glart himself has been around forever, though he was retired until junior showed up and started using the theoretical family connection to his own advantage.
The miniature displays are nothing short of amazing. I love seeing what they've done with the new sector mechanicus terrain, especially the set-up with the new Death Guard and Primaris Marines on it. That one in particular feels like it might actually be possible to recreate.
Unlike the warlord titan bay...holy gak, I really don't want to know how much it would cost to buy all the GW kits necessary to even begin attempting it. And that's not counting the stuff that I can't even identify, like all the panels making up the walls, which are either custom made or casts based on some ancient GW kit that never saw release.
I love the cover art for the new 40k rulebook and indexes, too. It reminds me a lot of 4th edition, which is when I started playing.
Warhams-77 wrote: Dark Imperium sprues and painted miniatures photos - various unknown sources
Spoiler:
They said the Heads and Shoulder Pads were interchangeable on the Primaris Marines, looks like the Pads are moulded on. Hope it's just the starter set.
Looooooool completely forgot these Primaris won't be like a normal sprue. Well, IF for these it is then, I'll just wait for the standard kit to give em BA heads and pads.
Edit: I really should try and get to Warhammer World at some point this year, even just for the displays alone.
Automatically Appended Next Post: OH DAYUM, pics from the index books, wow they are a lot more detailed than I was expecting, page of fluff for each fella. I was really just expecting the stat line and a points cost page like the GH.
Codex Supplement: Traitor Legions (2016), p117 — Chaos Artefacts of the Death Guard
Poxwalker Hive — xx Points
Daemon insects spill from the tubular, chimney-like structures of the Poxwalker Hive. The incessant droning chatter of these tiny creatures acts as an infection in its own right, and those who willingly listen to it are at grave risk of contracting the poxwalker's curse. Should they succumb, they will devolve into shambling, mutant monstrosities, murmuring and babbling in the same flyblown tongue as the hive itself.
At the start of each of your turns, pick a friendly unit of Chaos Cultists within 7" to infect with the poxwalker virus. For the rest of the game, that unit of Chaos Cultists cannot Run or make shooting attacks, but they gain the Fearless and Feel No Pain special rules. In addition, at the start of each of your following turns, return D3 slain models to every friendly unit of infected Chaos Cultists that are within 7" of the bearer. Any models returned in this manner that cannot be placed within unit coherency are lost.
Could the things in the bottom left corner of the artwork be those who grew into 'mutant monstrosities'?
Were Poxwalker/Poxwalker Hives mentioned in earlier publications?
unmercifulconker wrote: Looooooool completely forgot these Primaris won't be like a normal sprue. Well, IF for these it is then, I'll just wait for the standard kit to give em BA heads and pads.
Edit: I really should try and get to Warhammer World at some point this year, even just for the displays alone.
Automatically Appended Next Post: OH DAYUM, pics from the index books, wow they are a lot more detailed than I was expecting, page of fluff for each fella. I was really just expecting the stat line and a points cost page like the GH.
So these indexes may as well be mini-codex collection. Damn. I hope they once and for all confirm there are equivalent of chapter tactics when building lists. It's heavily implied, but a vidual confirmaiton would be great. Also someone on the dark city allegedly read xenos index 1. Wyches have poison weapons now and a bunch of other DE stuff. The rules leaks will flood the internet soon.
I was very disappointed not to see any of the (rumoured) forthcoming shadow aelves for AoS. Or the Nurgle BB team. Didn't seem to be a huge amount of forthcoming stuff shown at all, really - not as much as I had hoped to see.
GW seriously needs a guy whose sole job is going around the sculptors' offices saying "That's nice, but please stop putting more guns on it right now" for every WIP he sees
lord_blackfang wrote: GW seriously needs a guy whose sole job is going around the sculptors' offices saying "That's nice, but please stop putting more guns on it right now" for every WIP he sees
Yes, its against logic to put more guns than arms on a relentles antropomorfic walking gun platform.
The smokelauncher better still override every single shooting weapon.
Whats next, a squad of terminators where every guy can carry a heavy weapon and/or cyclone rockets?
Anyway, the first pics of the new dread made me think he was doing the "haters gonna hate" walk. I like it!
Super Assault Cannon of some sort
2 twin Assault Bolters (probably - same thing the Inceptors have)
Missile Pod on top.
Twin Flamers on the Fist?
Looks more like:
Punisher cannon (see IG tank of the same name)
Twin storm bolters
Fancy smoke launcher/maybe frag grenade launcher
Definitely at least one flamer, probably Heavy, but don't see a second?
Super Assault Cannon of some sort
2 twin Assault Bolters (probably - same thing the Inceptors have)
Missile Pod on top.
Twin Flamers on the Fist?
Looks more like:
Punisher cannon (see IG tank of the same name)
Twin storm bolters
Fancy smoke launcher/maybe frag grenade launcher
Definitely at least one flamer, probably Heavy, but don't see a second?
Punisher Cannon makes sense.
Look a bit too big to be storm bolters - but look about right scale as Primaris stuff.
Nope, that's a missile pod. They like 'standard' equipment so I would assume they're use the three tube style smoke launcher still.
Might be one flamer, thought I saw a second but that might be a random finger from that angle.
Super Assault Cannon of some sort
2 twin Assault Bolters (probably - same thing the Inceptors have)
Missile Pod on top.
Twin Flamers on the Fist?
Looks more like:
Punisher cannon (see IG tank of the same name)
Twin storm bolters
Fancy smoke launcher/maybe frag grenade launcher
Definitely at least one flamer, probably Heavy, but don't see a second?
Looks like a Punisher cannon alright. Makes you wonder if it is, or if it's the +1 version you expect Marines to get (like shotguns).
I don't think the bolters are storm bolters. Classically, they only have on round thingy above (or next to if rotated) the barrel. I'd expect a Primaris bolter version for sure.
The grenade launcher doesn't look like it's supposed to be a smoke launcher. That's a lot of cartridges all pointing the same way for a one use item meant to smoke up a wider area.
I was hoping for something more like the Contemptor but I guess the Redemptor will grow on me. For now I cant help seeing a box dread with a beer belly, or a mecha Proboscis monkey head on legs
The new tank looks interesting with LR and Rhino/Pred elements to it.
angelofvengeance wrote: Is glart a new character then or was he around in the previous editions?
Loving the Minotaur. Might have to get one for my Beastmen army...
Glart is an old, old character first appearing in WD 86 (not 100% sure the image below is the first appearance, but its certainly an early one, the art matches the new mini pretty well too)
Warhams-77 wrote: Dark Imperium sprues and painted miniatures photos - various unknown sources
Spoiler:
They said the Heads and Shoulder Pads were interchangeable on the Primaris Marines, looks like the Pads are moulded on. Hope it's just the starter set.
These are starter box snapfits. When the multipart sets come out then they can be changed. Its always like this in starter boxes
Kind of a substandard Leviathan, really. I'd much rather have seen old Washing-machine dreads get better legs. I think the Contemptor looks much better alongside the Primaris marines, myself. It follows their armor design and clean lines better. Kind of bummed that everything needs to be much larger than previous stuff.
That looks SO much better. Was getting worried I wouldn't like it.
If you didn't like it from other angles but did from this, that's because you're seeing the legs side on minimising how spindly they look.
Gotta say, out of Castaferrum(standard box), contemptor, Deredeo, Leviathan and this thing, the Redemptor has the least cohesive design. The limbs don't really match up well to the torso in the same way as the other four.
I quite like the new Dreanought - its pretty good.
Hoping we get some more Sisters of Silence stuff besides their whale ship and the bolt positol unit. Still at least they are getting something unlike the Sisters of Battle. Was there any mention if the Custodes and Sisters of Silence units are for 30k / 40k or both?
Any more shots of the aerial Custodian transport - that looks great.
AegisGrimm wrote: Kind of a substandard Leviathan, really. I'd much rather have seen old Washing-machine dreads get better legs. I think the Contemptor looks much better alongside the Primaris marines, myself. It follows their armor design and clean lines better. Kind of bummed that everything needs to be much larger than previous stuff.
Yeah, exactly the opposite is happening for me with these as did with the Flying Lobsters - the more I see, the less I like. I can see where they were going with the design, it's the Leviathan but based on a Castraferrum rather than a Contemptor, but the execution is off. Where the Leviathan took the basic Contemptor layout and bulked it up pretty uniformly, ensuring the proportions on the legs kept pace with the torso, this one dumps a HUEG amount of extra gubbinz on top of a standard washing machine torso and makes the legs longer at the same time, without adding enough bulk - the original Castraferrum looks like it could barely walk because it would waddle, this one looks like it could barely walk without toppling over.
Not a huge fan of the tank from what we can see of it in that image either tbh. When we first heard those "missing link" rumours I was hoping for a plastic 40K-ified Sicaran. Will need better pics to be sure of course.
I'm tempted to watch the Hobbit again just to see what these guys actually look like.
I doubt it's the painter's fault. The noses don't look straight and there is very little shadow around them, suggesting it's the sculpting at fault. The faces just look weird. But then, if I remember the GW studio release of Legolas and the redhead weren't fantastic either. Lord of the Rings seems to be a bit hit and miss in the last couple of years.
Maybe it's just Forgeworld working at their limit? The Bloodbowl resin models also received a good bit of criticism. Maybe they just don't give sculptors enough time anymore to make their deadlines?
Edit: It's also worth remembering that Lord of the Rings is 25mm scale, and those are kids (so even shorter than normal) in a pretty zoomed in picture. They might look totally fine in their natural size.
SeanDrake wrote: Anyone who disputes GW are doing the minimum to keep the Lotr/Hobbit licence needs to be made to stare at these for 5min.
I will agree that those three are pretty rubbish but the new dwarves, gwahair, and Thranduil are all pretty excellent sculpts.
The lake house is also a pretty great scenery kit. Forgeworld' remit has expanded massively in the last couple of years and there are inevitably going to be few poor sculpts as they staff up to cope with the specialist games and Lotr stuff.
There have been a few poor star players for bloodbowl, but the new previews look much better. Hopefully Lotr will follow suit.
Games-Workshop folks just have never been that great at sculpting faces or working on models that aren't caked in detail. Power armored models- yeah, they take the cake. Regular/normal civilians, not so much.
To be fair, those bloody kids spend 90% of their time on the film squealing or yelling "DA", so indistinct faces dominated by gaping mouth holes, while not an accurate rendition of their features, seems a fair approximation of their characters and performance
Those Primaris Marines look so much better in different chapter colors. I don't know the blue doesn't look as intimidating as the red or black or hell even yellow would be more terrifying. Might just be the shading.
One of the other pics shows that the Power Fist can take an underslung Assault Cannon. If that is a Punisher Cannon on the right arm, then a Punisher/assault cannon/2 storm bolter/missile launcher dreadnought is going to throw out a TON of shots. That's some good anti-horde dakka.
Did anyone hear anything at all about a new potential Warhammer Quest at any of the panels? I only attend a couple of seminars, before most ran out of spaces...
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