Painting these sets might seem a little intimidating, but thankfully, there’s a range of new accessories and paint bundles on the way to help. We’ll be previewing all of these closer to release, but we think the nifty Citadel Painting Handle is going to be a tool all painters want to use. Gripping your model by the base, this handle makes it easy to paint hard to reach areas without potentially rubbing the previous paintwork off or getting a cramp in your hand.
available to pre-order on the 4th of November
really interested to see the price on this one and compare it to the http://rathcore.com/miniature-holder/ which I couldn't afford when it was on KS.
The GW one doesn't have a grip bar which is a minus (although I could do that myself) but it does have what looks like an adjustable grip instead of corks which may be better
Is nice. Like most Citadel products (Barring the mould line remover, thats a very good tool), is more fancy than usefull. Nothing you can't do with blue tac and a pot of paint.
I paint in sub-assemblies pretty much all the time so this is useless to me 99% of the tine. It bothers me not being able to get an even paint job on my entire model even if there are angles that most people won't see. I know I see with my perfectionist painters eye.
Be sure to thin your Citadel paints with Citadel War-ter before applying them in two thin coats with your Citadel brush on your Citadel miniature mounted on your Citadel handle.
Galas wrote: (Barring the mould line remover, thats a very good tool)
Really? What does it do that a good hobby knife (which you need anyway) doesn't?
Really? What does it do that a good hobby knife (which you need anyway) doesn't?
Essentially it's a angled (not sharp) curve edge that is enough to remove mould lines and not mark the miniature itself. You can use it any way as its much safer than a knife.
I guess it's aimed primarily at younger modelers, as adults can be trusted with model knives.
I'd rather stick to my bag of wine corks that I got at hardware store, or wherever I bought them.
I paint 10-20 models at a time, assembly line style. Having to attach and then detach every model, because I only have one holder, wouldn't be practical.
Really? What does it do that a good hobby knife (which you need anyway) doesn't?
Essentially it's a angled (not sharp) curve edge that is enough to remove mould lines and not mark the miniature itself. You can use it any way as its much safer than a knife.
I guess it's aimed primarily at younger modelers, as adults can be trusted with model knives.
Supposedly...
I never saw much point in the mould line remover until I dropped a craft knife onto my big toe while trimming mould lines.
Dr. Mills wrote: Essentially it's a angled (not sharp) curve edge that is enough to remove mould lines and not mark the miniature itself. You can use it any way as its much safer than a knife.
I guess it's aimed primarily at younger modelers, as adults can be trusted with model knives.
I never saw much point in the mould line remover until I dropped a craft knife onto my big toe while trimming mould lines.
I find knives work better for removing mould lines the sharper they are, and you can only scrape away mould lines on smooth surfaces anyway.
I was taught to use a knife when I was about seven and have been using them regularly since then. I hardly ever cut myself, and the few times i have it's been minor. I think learning a tool as a child is a good thing, but adult supervision is important.
Most tools come with risks attached. Be aware of those risks, and don't treat your tools like toys.
I think it's a neat idea, and honestly if it was $10.00 I could see them selling a ton. I suspect...as with most GW hobby products it'll be $27.99 or something absurd.
Really? What does it do that a good hobby knife (which you need anyway) doesn't?
Essentially it's a angled (not sharp) curve edge that is enough to remove mould lines and not mark the miniature itself. You can use it any way as its much safer than a knife.
I guess it's aimed primarily at younger modelers, as adults can be trusted with model knives.
Supposedly...
I never saw much point in the mould line remover until I dropped a craft knife onto my big toe while trimming mould lines.
I have 20-some-odd models and sub-assemblies attached to corks and small jars with poster putty at the moment. This thing seems pretty nice for painting one single model at a time, but it's a no go for my style of painting.
On the subject of the mold line remover, it is of course overpriced, but it does work very well. Basically the only GW hobby tool I'd consider buying.
I know some people are GW fans and like to buy their stuff, and I'm not knocking that, but I would urge people to save their money and make their own painting handle from dozens of different alternatives, may of which you probably already have.
From the top of my head:
Blue tack or tape the mini to a paint pot.
Lollipop sticks are good for smaller minis. Balsa wood or any piece of thin wood does a similar job.
Helping hands are great for holding minis, and usually have a magnifying glass for small detail.
A cork is good. For small parts, super-glue a thin piece of wire to part, and then stick it in the cork.
And so on and so on.
If the handle was £10 or something then I suppose it would be worth a pop, but anything above that?
Yup, that's exactly what the thread needs, anti-GW butt jokes
I can't stand painting in sub-assembles, makes it much harder to get a consistent zenithal highlight on the model, so this might be handy, though as with everything else price is key. If it's noticeably cheaper than that handle thing that was on KS a while back, and if there's a realistic prospect I can mod it with the grip bar concept from said KS handles, I'll probably grab one. EDIT: While I'd normally agree with you Do_I_Not_Like_That, having tried most of those suggestions and a few more, none of them will measure up to that handle if the gripping mechanism is worth a damn. I've had home-made solutions come apart or fail to hold the mini too often, these days I just hold the base itself which isn't particularly comfortable.
As for mouldline removal tools - seriously? Nobody figured out that you can just turn your knife around and use the back of the blade which is functionally the same as these scraping tools?
I've been tempted to buy the seam scraper on occasion, but always balk at the price. One of my favorite hobby tools is a 1/2" Stanley woodworking chisel. The tip is as sharp as a razorblade if you know how to properly sharpen them and the long sides of the tool form a hard, crisp edge that is very good at scraping off mold lines with minimal effort without damaging the plastic like you sometimes can with a hobby knife.
For me a pin vise still works best. Put a pin in the foot/leg (whatever bit ends up touching the base) and stick the other end of the pin in the pin vise. Now you can hold and turn the miniature however you want while paining and also get to the hard to reach areas on the underside. A miniature with a long cape could have hard to reach spots on that thing up there.
When you take a break you can just take it of the handle and stick it somewhere safe and when you are finished paining it you can use the pin to solidly secure the miniature on the base (maybe not needed for simple plastic infantry, in that case just snip it off). You also get to paint the base without the miniature standing in the way (you can also paint one or two dozen at a time without losing speed) so you don't end up painting the boots or the ground with each other's colours.
Depending on price, this actually looks pretty good.
I would have liked to see a finger rest like on the alternatives that are starting to pop up on the market, but the adjustable grip for the base looks nifty.
Found one for a reasonable price and grabbed it. Probably the only one at that price. Still expensive though. Now to see if its worth it. Most of them were around 35-45.
Painting these sets might seem a little intimidating, but thankfully, there’s a range of new accessories and paint bundles on the way to help. We’ll be previewing all of these closer to release, but we think the nifty Citadel Painting Handle is going to be a tool all painters want to use. Gripping your model by the base, this handle makes it easy to paint hard to reach areas without potentially rubbing the previous paintwork off or getting a cramp in your hand.
available to pre-order on the 4th of November
really interested to see the price on this one and compare it to the http://rathcore.com/miniature-holder/ which I couldn't afford when it was on KS.
The GW one doesn't have a grip bar which is a minus (although I could do that myself) but it does have what looks like an adjustable grip instead of corks which may be better
I'm not normally one for GW tools (overpriced mid range stuff generally), but this actually looks really slick. If its well built and less than $30 I'd probably pick one up. I wonder what its max model size is?
Yodhrin wrote: Yup, that's exactly what the thread needs, anti-GW butt jokes
I can't stand painting in sub-assembles, makes it much harder to get a consistent zenithal highlight on the model, so this might be handy, though as with everything else price is key. If it's noticeably cheaper than that handle thing that was on KS a while back, and if there's a realistic prospect I can mod it with the grip bar concept from said KS handles, I'll probably grab one. EDIT: While I'd normally agree with you Do_I_Not_Like_That, having tried most of those suggestions and a few more, none of them will measure up to that handle if the gripping mechanism is worth a damn. I've had home-made solutions come apart or fail to hold the mini too often, these days I just hold the base itself which isn't particularly comfortable.
As for mouldline removal tools - seriously? Nobody figured out that you can just turn your knife around and use the back of the blade which is functionally the same as these scraping tools?
Tried it with my wargame knife and it doesn't get a good flat even surface when I use the back.
I'm not normally one for GW tools (overpriced mid range stuff generally), but this actually looks really slick. If its well built and less than $30 I'd probably pick one up. I wonder what its max model size is?
You're high if you think this will be anywhere near that price
Scrub wrote: Games Worksop selling a lump of plastic for only a fiver!?!
Definitely impulse buy territory, though!
On the previous page people were urging to point out the "cheaper alternative" for only $10. GW one costs 8, according to NoggintheNog. Did it have to be free?
Well gak, for a fiver I'm sold. I'm genuinely surprised, I was expecting it to be yet another "nice, but not THAT nice" GW HHHhobby tool or at least to have to give it serious thought, but this'll be the first GW hobby tool I've bought since...damn, since back when they had the hobby knife with the rubberised contoured grip.
One problem with a tool such as this is if its bigger then the base it blocks the brush when painting from an angle below and going up. I will probebly still prefer to mount it with bluetac on something slimmer.
A very interesting tool. I see the usefulness for small characters, but I don't think it would be very practical for painting units of multiple models and I highly doubt the price point will be low enough for it to be worth buying ten of them.
oni wrote: A very interesting tool. I see the usefulness for small characters, but I don't think it would be very practical for painting units of multiple models and I highly doubt the price point will be low enough for it to be worth buying ten of them.
Hmmm... I may pass on this one.
You do see that the price has already been listed as $8 US?
I will definitely buy one or two of these. As other people have said you can use pill bottles or wine corks, and I've used all of those things and never been super happy. Wine corks especially I have found problematic with metal models - they love to tip over.
This looks to have a much wider base.
Looking at those fancy wooden ones, I now realize I also need to add a metal wire to act as a finger rest. Man that's smart.
DanceOfSlaanesh wrote: One problem with a tool such as this is if its bigger then the base it blocks the brush when painting from an angle below and going up. I will probebly still prefer to mount it with bluetac on something slimmer.
Yeah i'm okay with this price but that part is a bit concerning. It does look a tad big, and being able to comfortably paint and twist it around so you can reach all areas of the model is important.
Yeah, for this price this is the kind of thing I buy when I enter the store looking for something insteresting, I don't find anything, but
I feel compelled to buy something for having entered the store, so I buy a pot of paint, etc...
Those look extremely comfortable to hold for extended periods
Seriously I can barely cut up enough cereal boxes to make a roof for a Mordheim building without getting finger blisters and sore joints, holding those would be worse than just holding the base surely.
Yodhrin wrote: Those look extremely comfortable to hold for extended periods
Seriously I can barely cut up enough cereal boxes to make a roof for a Mordheim building without getting finger blisters and sore joints, holding those would be worse than just holding the base surely.
The little bar between the finger holes is a locking clip. Pinch and they stay pinched. I'll use them from priming all the way to sealing, light scrub and the paint falls off because they're stainless steel.
Watching that mold line removal tool video gave me anxiety of how too much time I spend removing them. Ever since I started being less OCD models come out looking great.
altough I do approve of the GW mold line removal tool itself, it has made my recent project much quicker.
Bloody hell, I just might pick up one of those painting mats.
And while I'm quite happy with my Rathcore holders and grip, the Citadel handle seems like it can swap miniatures over a bit faster without sacrificing security, which would be helpful for painting squads in one session. Blocking details underneath a miniature could be an issue, but for what it is, it's still a tool worth the cost.
It's 8$. Honestly not a terrible deal considering one of the biggest problems I have with a lot of the 'dur hur it's cheaper so it must be better' solutions is that I tend to drop pill bottles and the like more often than I'd care to and the shape of this particular holder is really good for keeping hold of it.
That said, this is the ONLY GW hobby tool that I've thought was a reasonably price for what you get and it's probably made a bit...cheaply.
Mario wrote: For me a pin vise still works best. Put a pin in the foot/leg (whatever bit ends up touching the base) and stick the other end of the pin in the pin vise. Now you can hold and turn the miniature however you want while paining and also get to the hard to reach areas on the underside. A miniature with a long cape could have hard to reach spots on that thing up there.
When you take a break you can just take it of the handle and stick it somewhere safe and when you are finished paining it you can use the pin to solidly secure the miniature on the base (maybe not needed for simple plastic infantry, in that case just snip it off). You also get to paint the base without the miniature standing in the way (you can also paint one or two dozen at a time without losing speed) so you don't end up painting the boots or the ground with each other's colours.
Breotan wrote: Exactly how fast do you need to swap miniatures on your painting handle?
The faster the better. People are saying it might be hard to reach some parts under the model, if the model can be removed from the holder easily enough then it becomes less of a problem, just pop the model off to reach those bits then back on.
Also if you can swap models in the space of, I dunno, 5 seconds, it means you could use it for assembly line painting. Instead of having to attach 20 models to paint bottles you can just swap the model out as you work through a unit of troops.
I'm interested to see this in the flesh, if the mounting system works well for both square and round bases and it's sturdy enough I'll grab one.
It does look like it might be a touch small in the photo but I guess I'll have to see it in person.
Pre-orders are up on the New Zealand page and it looks like the price in White Dwarf was wrong (at least for New Zealand). Instead of the $17 NZ listed in the White Dwarf, its listed for pre-order at $16 NZ
Making it much, much easier to hold your miniatures securely while painting them, allowing you to find the perfect angle with which to access the fiddly bits while avoiding the inevitable hand cramps that come when holding a base for a long time, the Citadel Painting handle has been designed for painters, by painters.
If features a spring-loaded clamp mechanism, which locks tightly onto 25mm, 32mm and 40mm round bases, as well as fitting 60x35mm oval bases.
Grasping the sturdy plastic handle rather than the base or miniature you’re painting means fewer smudgey mistakes from careless fingers and will help you improve your painting all round!
Grasping the sturdy plastic handle rather than the base or miniature you’re painting means fewer smudgey mistakes from careless fingers and will help you improve your painting all round!
We recommend you hold the handle with just your fingers, so that your thumb doesn't cover the glorious Citadel logo...
Grasping the sturdy plastic handle rather than the base or miniature you’re painting means fewer smudgey mistakes from careless fingers and will help you improve your painting all round!
We recommend you hold the handle with just your fingers, so that your thumb doesn't cover the glorious Citadel logo...
Huh. The pre-order in Australia is a dollar cheaper than the White Dwarf price as well. Let's see what the US price ends up being. I'll be very happy if it turns up at $7.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I do feel they made it too small. Also not sure how well it'll hold square bases. But at that price I'll probably buy one just to give it a go.
I don't know. 25, 32 and 40mm bases cover a large portion of GW's catalogue. It will also accept 60 x 35mm bases (remind me, what comes on that size oval base?)
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I do feel they made it too small. Also not sure how well it'll hold square bases. But at that price I'll probably buy one just to give it a go.
I don't know. 25, 32 and 40mm bases cover a large portion of GW's catalogue. It will also accept 60 x 35mm bases (remind me, what comes on that size oval base?)
Actually the Lord of Contagion is on a 50mm base, so at least 25mm, 32mm, 40mm and 50mm.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I do feel they made it too small. Also not sure how well it'll hold square bases. But at that price I'll probably buy one just to give it a go.
Squares are legacy items, not part of the current product lineup. I wouldn't be surprised if they fit awkwardly, if at all.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I do feel they made it too small. Also not sure how well it'll hold square bases. But at that price I'll probably buy one just to give it a go.
I don't know. 25, 32 and 40mm bases cover a large portion of GW's catalogue. It will also accept 60 x 35mm bases (remind me, what comes on that size oval base?)
Cav I think?
But sorry when I mean too small as in I mean the handle should have been bigger. It seems to me half the point of a device like this is that it's more comfortable to hold and I would have thought something larger would be more comfortable. Maybe not, will have to try it I guess.
Won't know until you hold it. Having said that, we have many sizes of hand here. If it's too small for you or I then it's not for you or I, and we can continue to use a paint pot with blu-tac or holding the base or nothing. No loss.
Azazelx wrote: Won't know until you hold it. Having said that, we have many sizes of hand here. If it's too small for you or I then it's not for you or I, and we can continue to use a paint pot with blu-tac or holding the base or nothing. No loss.
Yeah I was hoping for something much larger than a paint pot, lol. If there's a model I'm going to be working on for a while I'll tend to use a larger medicine bottle rather than a paint pot.
But yeah, obviously different people have different sized hands, but I think in general you want to err on the side of something larger because it's less uncomfortable for a small handed person to have to grasp something large than a large handed person to grasp something small (within reason of course). Being larger you're generally less likely to induce hand cramps in people predisposed to get them. I guess unless you are trying to accommodate quite young kids who might not be able to hold properly in 1 hand it at all.
As long as the mechanism that holds the base is good the price is small enough that hacking one up to fit it onto a handle of your choice will be a no brainer
or just wrap the handle in some pound shop duct tape to make it larger
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: As long as the mechanism that holds the base is good the price is small enough that hacking one up to fit it onto a handle of your choice will be a no brainer
or just wrap the handle in some pound shop duct tape to make it larger
I plan to drill into the handle and add one of those curving finger-bar things, that should make it plenty comfy even on my ridiculous meat-plate hands.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: As long as the mechanism that holds the base is good the price is small enough that hacking one up to fit it onto a handle of your choice will be a no brainer
or just wrap the handle in some pound shop duct tape to make it larger
How dare you use logic when people are getting in their quota of bitching about everything GW does!
Looks even better. Very usefull tool right there. Blue tac never seems to hold things right and pin vices not practical since its too tall and falls constantly.
tneva82 wrote: Last time I checked nobody has indicated you need to glue the model into the handle.
If that's how you're assembly-line painting 14+ orcs, you're in trouble.
Swapping assembly-line painted miniatures in and out of a holder is a total PITA. I'm kinda curious why the holder doesn't have that finger slide thing that some painters like very much.
Looking forward to hearing opinions about the holder when it comes out. Won't really need it for a year (only 14+ orcs to go...
This sort of holder isn't really intended for assembly line painting multiple models. Although it's certainly priced low enough that you could pick up a bunch of handles to paint a squad at a time if you were so inclined, rather than trying to swap the models in and out.
Aye, but even if it comes to that it seems easy enough to just press the openy-thingie and take the model out of the clampy-wotsit by holding the base.
ced1106 wrote: Swapping assembly-line painted miniatures in and out of a holder is a total PITA.
Watching the video on facebook it seems quick and easy enough to swap miniatures out such that you could use it for assembly line painting.
If I'm assembly line painting it's rare for me to have a step that takes less than a couple of minutes, so spending 5 seconds to swap the model out doesn't seem like much of an issue to me. It's not going to take much longer than it would have taken to put down the model you're holding and pick up the next one anyway. Assembly line doesn't mean you are actually simultaneously painting all models at once unless you happen to be the Hindu God Durga who can hold 10 models at a time.
Better than having to find a ton of empty paint pots and using a ton of blutac to hold them down IMO.
Yodhrin wrote: Aye, but even if it comes to that it seems easy enough to just press the openy-thingie and take the model out of the clampy-wotsit by holding the base.
When I get my version out on the market, 'openy-thingie' and 'clampy-wotsit' are totally going on the instructions...
Slipstream wrote: Puzzling formula; 1 holder and you have at least fifty minis to paint= Waste of time.
It might be for people that take longer on each individual model? I agree that it's not for everyone or for batch painting huge numbers of models, but duh on that point. I certainly can't see myself using this for the 60+ Dark Angel starter box models I'm slowly (not) working on, but for those models that I paint individually - specifically those that I blu-tac onto a paint pot it seems potentially useful.
For assembly-line painting, if your locality of physics causes your miniatures to dry just after you apply paint, washes, and glue, sure, go for it. I'm not going to "pop off" a miniature and risk the dried part of the wash sloughing off or bits of basing material coming off the base before the miniature has dried.
ced1106 wrote: For assembly-line painting, if your locality of physics causes your miniatures to dry just after you apply paint, washes, and glue, sure, go for it. I'm not going to "pop off" a miniature and risk the dried part of the wash sloughing off or bits of basing material coming off the base before the miniature has dried.
The image of a dakkanaught spraying wash everywhere trying to remove a model from a holder just reminded me of this video...
As long as it's not a violent popping out I don't see the problem. It just depends how easy it is to "pop off". From the looks of things you just jam your finger into the spring mechanism which loosens the base and you lift it out.
Also I reckon if you're slopping on washes and gluing down bases those are probably times you aren't going to be using a holder in the first place, so it's a bit of a non-issue.
When you use the holder for assembly ling painting is going to be when you're laying down the basecoats and whatnot, not when you're applying super sloppy wash.
Sometimes I wonder if people intentionally try and think up problems instead of seeing the merits in what the product can be used for.
It seems like a waste of money for me... if you want to paint GW style, whole squads at a time, its main advantage is pointless as you have to change and manipullate the model every time you want to paint a new colour (if you want to paint like in a "production line"). If you want to paint a model for cabinet display, usually you paint the model and its base separately...
I think this is like that fancy plastic thing, but much more cheap and readily available:
I find that wine corks are the best to this purpose. You drill and pin the feet of the mini with some wire and press it in the wine cork . The result is strong enough to be painted easily. Then after being painted, its a matter of cutting the excess wire, drilling a pair of holes in the base (in case you didn't do it yet) and attaching the model to the base. After that, the cork is even reusable... And you can sculpt things on it, even polymer clay that needs to be baked, as the cork won't melt in the oven.
So people thinking in buying this, well, anyone can do as they wish, but as i said, i don't get it
It seems like a waste of money for me... if you want to paint GW style, whole squads at a time, its main advantage is pointless as you have to change and manipullate the model every time you want to paint a new colour (if you want to paint like in a "production line"). If you want to paint a model for cabinet display, usually you paint the model and its base separately...
And how much time that swap takes? Few seconds? Compared to painting time minimal. Especially if you can combine it in the motion of reaching for the next model.
It seems like a waste of money for me... if you want to paint GW style, whole squads at a time, its main advantage is pointless as you have to change and manipullate the model every time you want to paint a new colour (if you want to paint like in a "production line"). If you want to paint a model for cabinet display, usually you paint the model and its base separately...
The main advantage for me is not getting cramps in my hand from holding models in an awkward fashion, that advantage is not lost if I have to swap models every now and then, which doesn't look like a very time/effort consuming task.
I think this is like that fancy plastic thing, but much more cheap and readily available:
I find that wine corks are the best to this purpose. You drill and pin the feet of the mini with some wire and press it in the wine cork . The result is strong enough to be painted easily. Then after being painted, its a matter of cutting the excess wire, drilling a pair of holes in the base (in case you didn't do it yet) and attaching the model to the base. After that, the cork is even reusable... And you can sculpt things on it, even polymer clay that needs to be baked, as the cork won't melt in the oven.
So people thinking in buying this, well, anyone can do as they wish, but as i said, i don't get it
For the most part I can't be fethed drilling holes in the feet of my models to mount them in to cork and in many cases it's difficult to impossible to do that anyway (last thing I was painting was skinks, good luck drilling holes in their tiny little feet, the current thing I'm doing is the BB Skaven booster, all the ankles are at weird angles so drilling them out is more effort than it's worth).
Drilling models out to hold them is what I do when I have no other option, not something I want to do on every single model.
The corks in general are also going to be lighter (less stable) and smaller (less comfortable to hold) and more work (drilling out feet and gluing in wires) than what GW is producing.
I'd rather have to swap 20 models on an easy to use handle than have to drill out 40 feet, glue in wires and mount them to corks, urgh, that sounds horrible.
Honestly it's one of the few GW products that has me excited since they killed WHFB I just hope it is reasonably well made and works decently with square bases still.
tneva82 wrote:And how much time that swap takes? Few seconds? Compared to painting time minimal. Especially if you can combine it in the motion of reaching for the next model.
AllSeeingSkink wrote:The main advantage for me is not getting cramps in my hand from holding models in an awkward fashion, that advantage is not lost if I have to swap models every now and then, which doesn't look like a very time/effort consuming task.
No, i didn't mean time consumed. The main advantage of this thing is (or whatever support handle you use, by the way...) not touching or manipullating the miniature with the fingers, that can damage the paintwork or stain some areas with others colours or etc. So in swapping one model for another, you have to touch and change those miniatures many times, touching them in the freshly painted area -even if it feels dry, acrylic paint is not 'dry' until several hours after- (as the model is hold by the base), which can potentially damage or ruin the paintwork.
On the corks subject. Another option is attaching the model to the cork with the base, via using blutac or similar stuff. Adding a little bit of blutac to the base of the cork will keep it from falling or moving when you place it on the table. However, i said the drilling feet things because i'm used to painting the model and the base separately, and gluing them together after being painted.
Of course i have not any problem with people buying and using this thing, the only thing i was saying is that in my opinion, i see it worthless and i don't get why people would buy it... but i also don't understand smoking and people keeps doing it, so i guess each on their own. I'm expressing my opinion as everyone else, that's it, i'm sorry if someone felt bad about it, as it's not my intention
Again, this sort of thing isn't really intended for production line painting. It's a way to hold a single miniature easily and safely to paint it.
If you're happy drilling holes and using corks, do that. This handle is just a cheap alternative for those who would rather something that doesn't take that extra effort to set up.
Ummmm looking at the video looks like it's used with based models(which rules that for me as painted models go to painted bases) so dunno...I would touch the base rather than model while putting it in/out of handle. Assuming the model is still wet all around and not say have gun I have yet to touch(painting gun I wouldn't even use this probably as not needed)
Warpspy wrote: No, i didn't mean time consumed. The main advantage of this thing is (or whatever support handle you use, by the way...) not touching or manipullating the miniature with the fingers
We'll have to agree to disagree about that, I think the main advantage of a handle is making it comfortable to hold, otherwise I'd just hold the model by its base, but holding it by the base for 2 hours is gonna give me a cramp in my hand.
So in swapping one model for another, you have to touch and change those miniatures many times, touching them in the freshly painted area -even if it feels dry, acrylic paint is not 'dry' until several hours after- (as the model is hold by the base), which can potentially damage or ruin the paintwork.
Looks to me like you can remove a model without touching the model. Just pick it up by the base.
On the corks subject. Another option is attaching the model to the cork with the base, via using blutac or similar stuff. Adding a little bit of blutac to the base of the cork will keep it from falling or moving when you place it on the table.
Yeah the blutac thing is what I currently do, however that's also has its problems.
If it means I don't need to hold on to a bunch of old empty paint pots and cork for mounting models then that alone would be enough for me
the only thing i was saying is that in my opinion, i see it worthless and i don't get why people would buy it.
And the only thing I was saying is all the reasons why someone might want one.
Obviously a little handle isn't going to be a game changer, but it is a nice convenience and at $13AUD it's not much of an investment to give it a go. Over the years I've probably spent more than $13 on blutac/superglue/drills/wire to stick models in place while I paint them
Now that doesn't make sense, given the simplicity to pop a mini in and out of the holder. More than one (maybe a spare?) seems redundent given that the mini will be on a base and acrylic paint take so little time to dry.
Your call obviously but you could spend the same money as an extra 4 on some of the new terrain for example.
It depends if (s)he's speed painting, and I can understand that point of view. When you line up 5 orcs to paint, the amount of time you spend swapping 1 to another on this holder is 2x or even 3x your actual paint time.
1. Pour brown leather paint.
2. Pick up orc 1, paint right shoe.
3. Pick up orc 2, paint right shoe.
4-6. Repeat for remaining 3 orcs.
7. pick up orc 1, paint left shoe.
8-11. repeat
12-16. belt on front half of mini.
17-21. belt on back half of mini.
22. next color.
Swapping minis from one handle to another would make this process take twice as long, if not 3 times. Having the minis all mounted on their own handle as step one would save this person time.
All of that said, I'll probably get one as my speed painting days are done. But I can understand the usefulness for someone that wants to bang out a lot of minis.
kronk wrote: When you line up 5 orcs to paint, the amount of time you spend swapping 1 to another on this holder is 2x or even 3x your actual paint time.
Really? I mean, like, really? I've timed some of my painting sessions when speed painting to try and nail down fast times. It's rare for a single speed painting step to take me less than 1 minute per model.
1. Pour brown leather paint.
2. Pick up orc 1, paint right shoe.
3. Pick up orc 2, paint right shoe.
4-6. Repeat for remaining 3 orcs.
7. pick up orc 1, paint left shoe.
8-11. repeat
12-16. belt on front half of mini.
17-21. belt on back half of mini.
22. next color.
Wait, people actually paint like that??? They don't just paint all of one colour on a model then move on to the next one???
Granted the method you list worked kind of well for my Skull Pass Night Goblins, but that's because I didn't remove them from the sprue to paint them, so there was no picking up and putting down of the model. If you're having to put down then pick up another model between steps surely you just want to paint all of one colour on a model before putting it down and picking up the next one.
People need to keep in mind that while this will be great for painting fully assembled figures, those who paint the bits separately or in subassemblies won't find these to be a solution over cork or blu-tac.
Breotan wrote: People need to keep in mind that while this will be great for painting fully assembled figures, those who paint the bits separately or in subassemblies won't find these to be a solution over cork or blu-tac.
Agreed. For sub assemblies, I either hold the piece if it is big enough or attach it to a straightened paper clip mounted on a cork.
I admit to being flabbergasted at this price. I was honestly expecting at least $20 each. For that price I might actually pick up a couple to give them a try.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Wait, people actually paint like that??? They don't just paint all of one colour on a model then move on to the next one???
yes. Pick it up, paint the thing, put it down. Next mini.
Then find the next thing. Pick it up, paint the thing, put it down. You aren't hunting for the 5 things each time on each mini, you are painting the first of 5 things, then second, and so on.
At least, that is what a few youtube tutorials I watched showed me. I'll never paint like that again, but that was fine for me and my orks at the time.
Breotan wrote: People need to keep in mind that while this will be great for painting fully assembled figures, those who paint the bits separately or in subassemblies won't find these to be a solution over cork or blu-tac.
To be honest.... I thought that was so obvious it didn't need to be mentioned Obviously when you have fiddly little bits that you want to paint separately or you like painting every single little piece by itself then you need to come up with a way to hold all those little bits separately.
I thought it was obvious from the very first picture that this was exclusively for holding things by the base, if the model doesn't have a base then you need a different solution.
Personally my method of painting is to paint as little of the model as possible in sub assemblies then finish assembling it and paint the rest. I hate having heaps of little bits scattered across my desk to paint individually. Also makes it difficult to have a consistent artificial lighting direction.
Coming up with holders for the fiddly bits is just one of the annoyance of life, I don't think there's been a product invented that is the quick and easy solution for all fiddly bits.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Wait, people actually paint like that??? They don't just paint all of one colour on a model then move on to the next one???
yes. Pick it up, paint the thing, put it down. Next mini.
Then find the next thing. Pick it up, paint the thing, put it down. You aren't hunting for the 5 things each time on each mini, you are painting the first of 5 things, then second, and so on.
At least, that is what a few youtube tutorials I watched showed me. I'll never paint like that again, but that was fine for me and my orks at the time.
I've literally never seen someone batch painting like that. It's always left boot, right boot, next model..... front of belt, back of belt, strap over shoulder, next model.....
But if you do happen to paint like that, one brush stroke per model or something insane like that, I think it should be blatantly obvious that you're best off just picking the models up by the base to do it. It's hardly even worth mounting them on empty bottles/corks if you paint so little of the model in one go.
Anyone with a modicum of modelling/painting experience should be able to figure out that it's only worth mounting the model in the holder if they are going to be holding it for more than a few seconds.
A cork at that handle size is probably quite expensive?!
I think 2 holders is the sweet spot you paint one mini put it a side to dry and then paint the 2nd mini, by the time you finish that you can replace the one on the first holder… THese holders are quite cheap so I do not undertand the argument that blu tac and a tiny whine cork is better value. you save what 4 quid? pointless.
Blu tac never seems to hold well on cork either and most times things fall off.
NAVARRO wrote: A cork at that handle size is probably quite expensive?!
I think 2 holders is the sweet spot you paint one mini put it a side to dry and then paint the 2nd mini, by the time you finish that you can replace the one on the first holder… THese holders are quite cheap so I do not undertand the argument that blu tac and a tiny whine cork is better value. you save what 4 quid? pointless.
Blu tac never seems to hold well on cork either and most times things fall off.
You could easily make holders out of MDF squares, nails and a wing nut and bolt.
but that requires some basic hand tools, materials, and time. and its as free as you are willing to scavenge parts.
otherwise just go buy this thing or drink a lot of wine for cork (though im noticing cork is being replaced with that garage plastic stuff because cork is going endangered or something)
NAVARRO wrote: A cork at that handle size is probably quite expensive?!
I think 2 holders is the sweet spot you paint one mini put it a side to dry and then paint the 2nd mini, by the time you finish that you can replace the one on the first holder… THese holders are quite cheap so I do not undertand the argument that blu tac and a tiny whine cork is better value. you save what 4 quid? pointless.
Blu tac never seems to hold well on cork either and most times things fall off.
You could easily make holders out of MDF squares, nails and a wing nut and bolt.
but that requires some basic hand tools, materials, and time. and its as free as you are willing to scavenge parts.
otherwise just go buy this thing or drink a lot of wine for cork (though im noticing cork is being replaced with that garage plastic stuff because cork is going endangered or something)
Given I can buy this thing for significantly less than 1 hour's worth of pay cheque I think making my own one would be a net loss even if I could get the bits for free
It wouldn't be hard to make a block that clamps a base using some plywood, but I'd still want a decent handle to screw it in to and it'd be way more work than I'd be willing to put in given how cheap GW are selling this.
Granted maybe it'll suck, maybe it'll be so flimsy that it's not even worth the very low price tag, we'll see how it goes. I have a feeling GW are going to make a bucketload of money off this thing though.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Wait, people actually paint like that??? They don't just paint all of one colour on a model then move on to the next one???
yes. Pick it up, paint the thing, put it down. Next mini.
Then find the next thing. Pick it up, paint the thing, put it down. You aren't hunting for the 5 things each time on each mini, you are painting the first of 5 things, then second, and so on.
At least, that is what a few youtube tutorials I watched showed me. I'll never paint like that again, but that was fine for me and my orks at the time.
Huh that seems like very inefficient for speed painting. I paint assembly style one colour at a time. I'm painting bone? Paint all parts with that. Metal? Again whether it's gun or lens of marine helmet all goes in.
With that and possibility of multitasking taking model out while reaching for next and putting model to handle while pulling arm back to painting position don't see why this would slow process down that much if any.
Hmm... I realize people use different techniques for painting their mini's. Ive been doing the following for years and it's the cheapest, fastest, most efficient way to pain in my opinion:
Step 1: Assemble mini
Step 2: Cut a bit of straight sprue and make sure it is cut flat
Step 3: Plastic glue sprue to bottom of base
Step 4: Punch a hole into some Styrofoam, (to place your new mini holder into while you wait for paint to dry)
Step 5: Prime your mini, (picture above), Paint your mini, varnish your mini, and be done
Step 6: Once done, simply apply a little pressure to sprue, it snaps off clean and laves no trace
Easy, quick, and costs nothing as the sprue comes with the miniatures.
Well, if you paint one area at a time, you can get into the "zone" and paint on autopilot. At least in my experience, when I paint one color on a model, I'm "shifting" from quickly slapping on paint in the middle of an area, to carefully painting one area that's next to another. I also do sub-assembly, which means, with a multipiece figure, I'm painting arms, weapons, heads, etc. separately from the body.
IMO, Assembly-line painting isn't just there for speed. It's also efficient in the sense of reducing the mental effort of painting. I don't particularly enjoy painting, prefer to minimize the potential mishaps that can happen -- such as "popping" out a partially dried miniature and having the wet paint stick to something that it shouldn't.
kronk wrote: It depends if (s)he's speed painting, and I can understand that point of view. When you line up 5 orcs to paint, the amount of time you spend swapping 1 to another on this holder is 2x or even 3x your actual paint time.
1. Pour brown leather paint.
2. Pick up orc 1, paint right shoe.
3. Pick up orc 2, paint right shoe.
4-6. Repeat for remaining 3 orcs.
7. pick up orc 1, paint left shoe.
8-11. repeat
12-16. belt on front half of mini.
17-21. belt on back half of mini.
22. next color.
Swapping minis from one handle to another would make this process take twice as long, if not 3 times. Having the minis all mounted on their own handle as step one would save this person time.
All of that said, I'll probably get one as my speed painting days are done. But I can understand the usefulness for someone that wants to bang out a lot of minis.
Wait a minute.. Do shoes differ in color?? Otherwise you're doing speed painting wrong.
I like it! In theory, at least. I will definitely pick one up before the year is out and test it out. While my hands don't get tired or worn out from holding the minis, my hands do sweat a lot, especially if getting used in moments where they are getting lots of use and my mind is focusing on something, which leads to layers of paint on raised edges and details flaking off just from me handling them. I would rather have one of these than have to go rinse my hands off every half hour or so. If I really like it, I could see myself getting a total of 5 or 10 and using them for my army painting (I never paint more than 10 models at a time, and usually in groups of 5 ).
The only issue I see with it is that it's not big enough for larger models, in particular ones that don't have bases such as Reaper Bones monsters, tanks, or scenery. But still, it looks cool and handy for me. I never could get the cork and blue-tac to work for me, and I do my basing after painting the models.
Placed my order for one of these yesterday, was totally surprised by the price and couldn't resist!
Am I the only one who isn't bothered about having an optimised system for the maximum efficiency when I paint? I just take my time and enjoy myself and if the handle helps with cramps in my hands then I'll be chuffed with my purchase. I don't think you can go too far wrong for a fiver even if you could make an alternative.
I understand not everybody will be the same but surely I can't be the only one?!
Depends on what I'm painting. Sometimes I'm taking my time and having fun... And sometimes I'm just trying to get as much done as possible in as short a time as possible.
Looks good with a great price, my only 2 concerns are:
1 - limited angle to paint from beneath the model vs blutac on paint pot. Especially on smaller 25mm bases. I know people will say 'you cant see it dont paint it' but i am pedantic like that
2 - I wonder if square bases can be wedged in there.
Overall I think it is an easy buy to just have 1 there for that nice character model you want to paint but time will tell if it is worth buying 5 for some production line work.
1 - limited angle to paint from beneath the model vs blutac on paint pot. Especially on smaller 25mm bases. I know people will say 'you cant see it dont paint it' but i am pedantic like that
2 - I wonder if square bases can be wedged in there.
Overall I think it is an easy buy to just have 1 there for that nice character model you want to paint but time will tell if it is worth buying 5 for some production line work.
Its a tool that is nice to have when you need it.
certainly will be nice when im airbrushing varnish or just doing eyes after doing a sub assembly.
1 - limited angle to paint from beneath the model vs blutac on paint pot. Especially on smaller 25mm bases. I know people will say 'you cant see it dont paint it' but i am pedantic like that
2 - I wonder if square bases can be wedged in there.
Overall I think it is an easy buy to just have 1 there for that nice character model you want to paint but time will tell if it is worth buying 5 for some production line work.
Its a tool that is nice to have when you need it.
certainly will be nice when im airbrushing varnish or just doing eyes after doing a sub assembly.
I doubt you want to use this thing for airbrushing a varnish, I reckon repeatedly getting varnish in the sliding parts will eventually cause it to bind up.
Well, the utter wasting of a good brew, at least. Maybe not so much the “why does this tea taste OH GOD NO!”, but it’s been closer more often than my ego would care to admit...
ced1106 wrote: For assembly-line painting, if your locality of physics causes your miniatures to dry just after you apply paint, washes, and glue, sure, go for it. I'm not going to "pop off" a miniature and risk the dried part of the wash sloughing off or bits of basing material coming off the base before the miniature has dried.
The image of a dakkanaught spraying wash everywhere trying to remove a model from a holder just reminded me of this video...
Oh god. you had me there. I almost choked on my coffee. Two thumbs up, would watch again.
Sometimes I wonder if people intentionally try and think up problems instead of seeing the merits in what the product can be used for.
It's a GW product. There's no question that you're right. I mean, GW have enough legitimate issues to bitch about yet people desperately try to do exactly what you've illustrated here.
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Warpspy wrote: Honestly i don't get it.
It seems like a waste of money for me... if you want to paint GW style, whole squads at a time, its main advantage is pointless as you have to change and manipullate the model every time you want to paint a new colour (if you want to paint like in a "production line"). If you want to paint a model for cabinet display, usually you paint the model and its base separately...
I think this is like that fancy plastic thing, but much more cheap and readily available:
I find that wine corks are the best to this purpose. You drill and pin the feet of the mini with some wire and press it in the wine cork . The result is strong enough to be painted easily. Then after being painted, its a matter of cutting the excess wire, drilling a pair of holes in the base (in case you didn't do it yet) and attaching the model to the base. After that, the cork is even reusable... And you can sculpt things on it, even polymer clay that needs to be baked, as the cork won't melt in the oven.
So people thinking in buying this, well, anyone can do as they wish, but as i said, i don't get it
Simply put: It's not for you. I don't like the idea of drilling and pinning models to a cork for painting. I also paint a lot of older metal models and like to leave the tab intact. I rarely but sometimes need to use paint pots for individual models, so these things might be a better solution for me in those situations. It's not a one-size-fits-all tool, but I'm sure it can work nicely for some people in various situations. So I don't see a problem with it.
I'd certainly prefer the ease of clip-on, clip-off tool than fething about with wire and drilling, and I can certainly afford one or more of the tools, so...
On the corks subject. Another option is attaching the model to the cork with the base, via using blutac or similar stuff. Adding a little bit of blutac to the base of the cork will keep it from falling or moving when you place it on the table. However, i said the drilling feet things because i'm used to painting the model and the base separately, and gluing them together after being painted.
Of course i have not any problem with people buying and using this thing, the only thing i was saying is that in my opinion, i see it worthless and i don't get why people would buy it... but i also don't understand smoking and people keeps doing it, so i guess each on their own. I'm expressing my opinion as everyone else, that's it, i'm sorry if someone felt bad about it, as it's not my intention
Consider your thought of using blu tac for the cork, but instead of using cork, using something like a paint pot (or a piant pot filled with water or more blu-tac for extra weight/stability) so you can put it down and leave it on a table upright for awhile. Same thing, but slightly different, right? And different enough to be significant, right?
Now look at this tool as another "similar-but-different" variation on that same theme. Cork-and-wire. Cork-and-Blu-Tac. Paint Pot-and-Blu-Tac. Weighted Paint Pot-and-Blu-Tac. That one from the kickstarter with the finger holder. Citadel Model Handle thingy.
I'm not saying that I love it or that it'll be useful for me at all. I have no idea. I'll need to handle one in person to see how it feels, what the weight is like and if it's stable to be left on a table in the way I like. But it's another tool. You can use it or not use it. It's entirely optional.
You can buy Apple Barrel craft paints and use them happily with good results or use Citadel or Reaper or Army Painter or Vallejo or Scale 75. You can use the Citadel Modelling tool or dental tools or metal sculpting tools or silicone-tipped sculpting tools with different hardness. You can use Milliput or Vallejo Plastic Putty or Citadel Liquid Greenstuff, or GW-branded Greenstuff or Kneadatite from anywhere else or Pro-Create or Testors tube putty or Squadron Green putty or none of them or all of them. You can buy your "weathering powders" from Forge World or Kromlech or Vallejo or MIG or any number of Dry Pigments (which are the same thing) from the art supply store. Again. Multiple options. No obligations.
I picked one up today. The GW store was sold out but the store down the road still had a few.
It's okay, it does fit 25mm and 20mm square bases, they can be a bit trickier to get in but once they're in it's fine.
It's a good size, bigger than I was thinking from the pictures.
It's pretty easy to get models in and out. It does take 2 hands but I think it'll be fine for assembly line painting. You don't have to violently pop out the models like a previous poster was saying, just hold the base with one hand, open the clamp, angle the base and the model slides out easily.
The downsides, the head is a bit chunkier than it needs to be. I obviously wasn't expecting to have awesome access to the model as if you'd mounted it on wires, but the head blocks off more than is necessary IMO, especially if painting a model with a smaller base because such models will sit in a deeper groove in the head.
I'm also going to have to learn to brace my hands together when using it. In general when painting you try and rest your hands on each other in some way, I think it should be fine with the handle, just have to get used to a slightly different position.
Overall I think it'll be good for reducing hand strain which is what I bought it for.
If the head can be removed, this thing is crying out for additional extras, like a soft touch clamp for holding individual bits which would be great for me as I do a lot of sculpting so and I do get hand cramps, not to mention the odd tremor. You could sit this down on the table, and use your spare hand to steady the other, that would be fantastic, it's tricky to rig something up that's reliable.
I haven't been able to get models in with 1 hand at all. With both hands it's easy, hold the base and one side of the holder with one hand and the other side of the holder with the other.
Not much of a problem, I just hold my brush in my teeth while swapping models.
40mm is the max but it is a tight fit. Holds it a bit harder than I'd like, get worried I'm going to mar the base edges.
Yodhrin wrote: Aye, but even if it comes to that it seems easy enough to just press the openy-thingie and take the model out of the clampy-wotsit by holding the base.
When I get my version out on the market, 'openy-thingie' and 'clampy-wotsit' are totally going on the instructions...
I certainly can't see myself using this for the 60+ Dark Angel starter box models I'm slowly (not) working on, but for those models that I paint individually - specifically those that I blu-
