It looks like Ike Perlmutter’s longstanding war against Fox for owning the movie rights to the X-Men and the Fantastic Four may finally be coming to an end! According to a report from CNBC, 21st Century Fox has been in talks with Disney in recent weeks to sell most of itself, excluding a small portion of the company to focus on news and sports. That means that the deal, if it happens, would almost certainly include the company’s movie properties, including X-Men and Fantastic Four
Stock for the company shot up in response to the news, leading to it being temporarily frozen.
The report says the talks are on again off again, and currently off again, so there’s no guarantee a deal will happen, but it’s nice to finally see a light at the end of the tunnel for fans of the Fantastic Four, whose book was canceled as a result of tensions with Fox and has yet to return, and the X-Men, who prominence has been reduced since the hostilities between Perlmutter and Fox began.
Oh please stop making gakky Fantastic Four movies. The only thing worse than gakky Fantastic Four movies is the threat of MORE gakky Fantastic Four movies.
Also, holy gak. Disney would own The Simpsons?
Also, they could make a Married With Children theme park. I want to go on the Christina Applegate ride.
kronk wrote: Oh please stop making gakky Fantastic Four movies. The only thing worse than gakky Fantastic Four movies is the threat of MORE gakky Fantastic Four movies.
Two points about this:
1. Why would a F4 movie made by Marvel be gakky? The gakky ones are Fox. This would be Fox no longer. 2. In the end the Fantastic Four don't matter. What matters are the things attached to them (Doom, Galactus, Silver Surfer, Kang).
kronk wrote: Oh please stop making gakky Fantastic Four movies. The only thing worse than gakky Fantastic Four movies is the threat of MORE gakky Fantastic Four movies.
Also, holy gak. Disney would own The Simpsons?
Also, they could make a Married With Children theme park. I want to go on the Christina Applegate ride.
I agree with all of this. I would take a Married with Children anything, really.
kronk wrote: Oh please stop making gakky Fantastic Four movies. The only thing worse than gakky Fantastic Four movies is the threat of MORE gakky Fantastic Four movies.
Two points about this:
1. Why would a F4 movie made by Marvel be gakky? The gakky ones are Fox. This would be Fox no longer.
2. In the end the Fantastic Four don't matter. What matters are the things attached to them (Doom, Galactus, Silver Surfer, Kang).
Well I mean, Reed Richards and Sue Richards made Franklin Richards. That is is pretty important for Marvel. Not sure where the rights would fall with Franklin though, since he is a mutant.....
kronk wrote: Oh please stop making gakky Fantastic Four movies. The only thing worse than gakky Fantastic Four movies is the threat of MORE gakky Fantastic Four movies.
Two points about this:
1. Why would a F4 movie made by Marvel be gakky? The gakky ones are Fox. This would be Fox no longer.
2. In the end the Fantastic Four don't matter. What matters are the things attached to them (Doom, Galactus, Silver Surfer, Kang).
H.B.M.C. is mostly right there - Marvel FINALLY getting the rights to the FF back would mean chances are good that we'd FINALLY get a good FF movie!
It's going to be so irritating if the Fantastic Four and X-Men return to the MCU right after the Infinity Gauntlet happens without them.
Still, it might be nice to finally see a Fantastic Four movie that isn't awful. Since it started in their comic, perhaps Marvel Zombies might be a nice consolation prize.
I still must be the only marvel fanboy who actually likes the Iain, Evans, Chicklis and Alba F4. I’ve rewatched it multiple times since I saw all the hate about it on Dakka, and still can’t figure out what’s wrong with it.
timetowaste85 wrote: I still must be the only marvel fanboy who actually likes the Iain, Evans, Chicklis and Alba F4. I’ve rewatched it multiple times since I saw all the hate about it on Dakka, and still can’t figure out what’s wrong with it.
You're not the only one. I used to own both of those F4 movies. I never thought they were on the same level as the MCU, but they were at least as enjoyable as X-men and X2
I have yet to see the new F4 movie, but that was less about how bad everyone says it is and more about how I just don't understand why they needed the reboot (I know now that it was just to keep the rights).
I'd love to have seen the planning meetings where they decided Galactus was cool enough to be the villain, but decided he would play better onscreen as a giant fart cloud.
It's not ideal, but I don't think I could take any alternative where Galactus was any sort of solid physical entity seriously. Certainly not a purple man in a silly hat.
Rupert Murdoch and family are heavily involved in both 20th Century Fox and Sky. Fox are trying to buy up Sky, but there are regulatory problems there; there are rumours that Sky News could be shut down if that proves a problem.
At the same time, Fox are trying to shift most of their business - except news and sports, it seems, and including Sky - to Disney (or anyone else who wants it).
They went more Gah Lak Tus (Ultimate Universe) with the movies. Given how many bits of the Ultimate universe were borrowed, I think the cloud in a thinematic setting made more sense than a giant pink and purple man.
It's sad that the Chris Columbus FF movie did Doom and the Thing better than the modern movies. Everything else sucked, but those two were the absolute gems of that movie. I still get giddy when Doom steps into the light for the first time. It's like the comics came to life.
I almost think a miniseries would be the way to go for FF, rather than a film. Instead of trying to cram the origin story, the rise of Doom, the family drama and a few superpower throw-downs into 2 hours, spread it over 6-10 hour-long episodes.
A lot of FF stuff, due to their nature as a family of heroes, is essentially a drama with comic book elements over the top, and that's hard to cram into a film, especially one that insists on retelling the origin story and throwing in one of Marvel's greatest and most complex villains from the start (you could build a whole 'phase' of MCU movies around a Doom storyline, easily). I'm not saying string it out to 23 or even 13 episodes like most shows, keep it as a miniseries so you have time to really focus on the characters beneath the suits, who are a lot more complex than any of the films have managed to convey.
Partly I guess because they're not as archetypal as a lot of other heroes. Cap is a Big Damn Hero who will always do the right thing. Spidey is a Regular Guy Just Like You. Stark is the eccentric billionaire. Aside from maybe Johnny Storm as the cocky hotshot, it's hard to pigeonhole the rest of the FF as neatly. Likewise with Doom, you need to handle him like they've built up Magneto across the X-men series; yes, he's ostensibly the villain, but charismatic and nuanced enough that at times you can't help but see things his way.
I think Marvel could probably pull off a decent FF when they get the rights back, but I'm not sure films are the way to do it, at least initially.
The deal isn't completely dead. Talks just aren't on at the moment. It's not as if they stormed out of the meeting room or anything.
Ouze wrote: It's going to be so irritating if the Fantastic Four and X-Men return to the MCU right after the Infinity Gauntlet happens without them.
Still, it might be nice to finally see a Fantastic Four movie that isn't awful. Since it started in their comic, perhaps Marvel Zombies might be a nice consolation prize.
It's not a problem unique to entertainment, it's just how modern late-stage capitalism works. Next time you think about boycotting something or switching to a different brand because the company did something awful either to you specifically or just generally, dig in and follow the chain of ownership for that brand all the way to the top. More than half the time the brand you were considering switching to instead will be owned by the same transnational megaconglomerate, and when it's not, by one of the other one or two transnational megaconglomerates involved in that same category of product(who will themselves own plenty of brands also associated with shoddy production values, poor customer service, or outright criminality).
Consumer choice in the modern marketplace is almost completely illusory, a few arseholes already own and control everything, and no matter where you spend your money someone objectionable will profit and the system as a whole will be reinforced.
At this point, short of actual pick-up-your-pitchfork Bolshevism, all anyone can do is sit back, enjoy the ride, and hope automation kills the transnational oligarchy that's forming quicker than it can transform us into a cyberpunk dystopian nightmare - in short, so long as Disney are doing a reasonable job with the IPs you like, you're as well to just try not thinking about their more disturbing qualities.
This is a terrible thing to say, and you should feel terrible. As much as I enjoyed the Fox X-Men movies, I want to see what happens with Marvel behind the helm.
This is a terrible thing to say, and you should feel terrible. As much as I enjoyed the Fox X-Men movies, I want to see what happens with Marvel behind the helm.
I'm with H.B.M.C. here. The last thing the MCU needs is a content explosion, and retreading all those introductions and going back over all the same themes. It would just degenerate into an edgelord contest about who has it worse.
If they wanted to do a separate Mutant 'Verse, that would be fine, but at this point the only thing the MCU needs is some decent villains (and they could pillage the better FF villains and leave the team itself to burn).
Anyway, it will be interesting to see if anything comes of this.
I'm almost more amused to see if anything would happen to Gotham, since that's on Fox.
timetowaste85 wrote: This is a terrible thing to say, and you should feel terrible.
Not even slightly.
Mutants don't make sense in a world like the MCU. The MCU is established as a world without mutants, and to suddenly have mutants that have been around for years doesn't make any sense. Worse, the anti-mutant prejudice doesn't make sense in the comics or the MCU.
Why would people be ok with non-mutant super heroes sporting all sorts of abilities, but this other group with similar (and sometimes identical) abilities is bad because of genetics? It's illogical.
Never in the MCU.
timetowaste85 wrote: As much as I enjoyed the Fox X-Men movies, I want to see what happens with Marvel behind the helm.
Marvel at the helm? I've got no issue with that. I do have an issue with them in the MCU.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Mutants don't make sense in a world like the MCU. The MCU is established as a world without mutants, and to suddenly have mutants that have been around for years doesn't make any sense. Worse, the anti-mutant prejudice doesn't make sense in the comics or the MCU.
Why would people be ok with non-mutant super heroes sporting all sorts of abilities, but this other group with similar (and sometimes identical) abilities is bad because of genetics? It's illogical.
Never in the MCU.
timetowaste85 wrote: As much as I enjoyed the Fox X-Men movies, I want to see what happens with Marvel behind the helm.
Marvel at the helm? I've got no issue with that. I do have an issue with them in the MCU.
While I agree that mutants in the MCU would bee too much (for purely bloat and storytelling reasons) that argument doesn't make sense. The Agents of Shields TV series is connected to the MCU (with a few actors/storylines crossing over) and that one has Inhumans who have powers that are similar to what mutants have just with a different behind the scenes justification. Prejudices are still there and they explore similar themes.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Mutants don't make sense in a world like the MCU. The MCU is established as a world without mutants, and to suddenly have mutants that have been around for years doesn't make any sense. Worse, the anti-mutant prejudice doesn't make sense in the comics or the MCU.
Why would people be ok with non-mutant super heroes sporting all sorts of abilities, but this other group with similar (and sometimes identical) abilities is bad because of genetics? It's illogical.
Never in the MCU.
timetowaste85 wrote: As much as I enjoyed the Fox X-Men movies, I want to see what happens with Marvel behind the helm.
Marvel at the helm? I've got no issue with that. I do have an issue with them in the MCU.
While I agree that mutants in the MCU would bee too much (for purely bloat and storytelling reasons) that argument doesn't make sense. The Agents of Shields TV series is connected to the MCU (with a few actors/storylines crossing over) and that one has Inhumans who have powers that are similar to what mutants have just with a different behind the scenes justification. Prejudices are still there and they explore similar themes.
But that's kind of the point. They constructed the MCU on the assumption they wouldn't have access to the X-Men and related characters for years and years, if at all, so the "persecuted minority with powers" role has already been filled by the slightly reimagined Inhumans. Cramming the X-Men in there as well doesn't add anything beyond the momentary thrill of seeing "proper" versions of those characters. Spiderman makes a good contrast, since the MCU was lacking a younger-audience PoV character and Spidey is pretty much the ultimate Marvel version of that character trope, so being able to bring him in added something to the whole beyond just Spidey showing up for some cool moves and quick jokes during fight scenes.
Adding them in now would also require pretty huge retcons/reworkings of both the MCU and the cinematic X-Men, and tbh I don't think it's worth the effort and confusion among casual audiences when there are so many other interesting and less well-trodden stories & characters to explore in the MCU. I mean lets be 100% real here, chances are if Marvel had access to X-Men and Fantastic 4 we wouldn't have gotten Guardians, or Black Panther, or Ant Man, and I'd rather have those than a slightly different take on the X-Men & co.
I agree, X-Men in the MCU doesn't work. I'd argue it doesn't even really work in the comics.
<Jon Bailey>
In a world which hates and fears mutants and those who are different to them... America's greatest hero is a genetically modified superhuman with super strength that is over 80 years old, yet doesn't look a day over 30."
</Jon Bailey>
I'd also suggest people look at "The Gifted" - it doesn't seem to get as much press as Legion did but it's a real solid show and I think it wouldn't work as a MCU set show. - Disney's attempts with inhumans in Agents of SHIELD, and what I've seen of the Inhumans show so far confirm this, for me at least.
At the most, I'd maybe go along with a M'Kraan Crystal or Gateway style alternate reality travelling shenanigans. - Like the DC CW shows do with the alternate Earths.
Compel wrote: I agree, X-Men in the MCU doesn't work. I'd argue it doesn't even really work in the comics.
<Jon Bailey>
In a world which hates and fears mutants and those who are different to them... America's greatest hero is a genetically modified superhuman with super strength that is over 80 years old, yet doesn't look a day over 30."
</Jon Bailey>
I'd also suggest people look at "The Gifted" - it doesn't seem to get as much press as Legion did but it's a real solid show and I think it wouldn't work as a MCU set show. - Disney's attempts with inhumans in Agents of SHIELD, and what I've seen of the Inhumans show so far confirm this, for me at least.
At the most, I'd maybe go along with a M'Kraan Crystal or Gateway style alternate reality travelling shenanigans. - Like the DC CW shows do with the alternate Earths.
Oh jeebus don't mention The Gifted, you'll be hung drawn and quartered as an SJW for praising that show's take on the X-Men mythos.
To be fair though, the key thing with the X-Men is that all the bigotry is rooted, at its core, in the kind of parochial existential horror that "normal" humans might be "replaced" by mutants. It's rooted in the old-fashioned conception of Homo Sapiens vs Neanderthals where the "superior" Homo Sapiens came in and took over and the Neanderthals got exterminated, with "normal" humans fearing they're the Neanderthals this time around. Of course now we have evidence that it's highly likely what *actually* happened was hybridisation - both the pre-Neanderthal version of Homo Sapiens and the Neanderthals ceased to exist and interbreeding created a new version of Homo Sapiens, and the same is true of humans and mutants, but that still works for the story because you can tap into a different kind of ugly "purity"-style bigotry.
The Inhumans show is a shambles, but that's on the moron showrunner - unlike with Iron Fist he didn't have the budget or the writers to produce something that was merely mediocre by Marvel standards. I actually quite like *most* of the Inhumans stuff they did on Agents; Lincoln, the occasional forays into The Adventures of Agent Mary Sue, and a couple of overall dud episodes aside I think they did a good job with a fairly ludicrous brief(turn Inhumans into X-Men 2.0).
Adding them in now would also require pretty huge retcons/reworkings of both the MCU and the cinematic X-Men
Cinematic X-Men is already a quilt of retcons and reworkings XD
Eh on the X-Men side I was more thinking about the inevitable recasting(Marvel likes their actors as new and/or cheap as possible), it's the MCU side where the retcons would go badly IMO, trying to shoehorn the X-Men mythos into the MCU as if it had always been there would not go down well.
You could explain their sudden appearance the same way the MCU explains everything; aliens. Just House of M the whole thing even. Scarlet Witch is in the MCU and reality manipulation is her thing.
Mario wrote: While I agree that mutants in the MCU would bee too much (for purely bloat and storytelling reasons) that argument doesn't make sense. The Agents of Shields TV series is connected to the MCU (with a few actors/storylines crossing over) and that one has Inhumans who have powers that are similar to what mutants have just with a different behind the scenes justification. Prejudices are still there and they explore similar themes.
1. No one knows nor cares about Inhumans (as a concept, not the show Inhumans). The full ramifications of Inhumans being out in the world was never really explored, and they're a -new- thing, as opposed to there suddenly being mutants for decades with all the prejudices that come with them. 2. The prejudices still don't make sense in a world of super heroes.
One guy who can control fire because of SCIENCE or one who can control fire because he fell in some radioactive waste when he was a child is fine, but another guy with the exact same powers but with the X-gene is suddenly someone to be prejudiced against? What???
Yodhrin wrote: Oh jeebus don't mention The Gifted, you'll be hung drawn and quartered as an SJW for praising that show's take on the X-Men mythos.
Are you kidding me? The Gifted is great. It's the best Marvel show on regular TV, certainly better than Agents of SHIELD has ever been.
Runaways could be better than it though... but that's Hulu, so it doesn't count. Hell the best character on Runaways is the "insufferable SJW" (to quote one of the characters). Well, except for Molly, because Molly is automatically always the best character.
Compel wrote: <Jon Bailey> In a world which hates and fears mutants and those who are different to them... America's greatest hero is a genetically modified superhuman with super strength that is over 80 years old, yet doesn't look a day over 30." </Jon Bailey>
LordofHats wrote: You could explain their sudden appearance the same way the MCU explains everything; aliens. Just House of M the whole thing even. Scarlet Witch is in the MCU and reality manipulation is her thing.
Except, of course, MCU Scarlet Witch isn't a mutant. She's a direct result of people messing about with an Infinity Stone. She's tied into the MCU metaplot, and the mutants would just be poofed into existence with no point, history or direction.
Selling a House of M reality warp to the general audience would be very hard, and it's pretty directly contrary to the theme of House of M. (Creating mutants rather than getting rid of mutants), so has the dubious benefit of pissing off everyone else.
Plus, given how recent things in the MCU (or MCU adjacent) turned out, a stray passle of mutants is entirely surplus to requirements.
X-men should remain separate to the MCU regardless. Too many characters and stories in the same world. I'm already having trouble separating the events of the various films and TV shows from each other considering they are meant to be in the same world.
As for the potential merger, not a fan of these mega-mergers. Less players mean more of a fixed game.
Yodhrin wrote: Oh jeebus don't mention The Gifted, you'll be hung drawn and quartered as an SJW for praising that show's take on the X-Men mythos.
Are you kidding me? The Gifted is great. It's the best Marvel show on regular TV, certainly better than Agents of SHIELD has ever been.
Hey go check out the Gifted thread, apparently the X-Men has never been about prejudice & bigotry and Sentinel Services Did Nothing Wrong because Magneto.
Runaways could be better than it though... but that's Hulu, so it doesn't count. Hell the best character on Runaways is the "insufferable SJW" (to quote one of the characters). Well, except for Molly, because Molly is automatically always the best character.
Eeeehhhhh, nah, the "insufferable SJW" was pretty insufferable. The best thing about that show is the parents, their story is one I want to see more of, I could do without the ANGST "band of misfits from all the stereotypical American highschool social groups" stuff, but alas the latter looks to be a big part of the concept for the IP so I think it's probably just not for me. I'll keep watching for a few more episodes to see how much of a balance it strikes, but if the kids are the main characters which I suspect they're supposed to be I'll probably end up giving this one a pass.
X-Men could easily be added in. Xavier has meddled with minds before, could do it again; maybe with the introduction of Fabian Cortez to boost his powers. Or Scarlet Witch has re-written history, ala “House of M”, making herself no longer a mutant, but the universe has plans for her anyway and she gets powers through science/alien tech. Or that most things, aside from Logan and prequels (first class trilogy, origins) are all in a relatively short period of time, maybe the Avengers hadn’t come around yet, and X-Men we’re dealing with their own losses during the Chitauri invasion. Wolverine and Cap both fought in WWII; give Cap a short throw away line about “that creepy Canadian who smelled like a wet dog”, and you INSTANTLY have the X-Men in the universe. All of that skips alternate realities or merging worlds. It’s doable. It’s easy.
And you’d get access to some of the best villains in Marvel. Nobody has a better rogues gallery than the X-Men (subjective, I know). Magneto? Apocalypse? Sinister? Onslaught? Sentinels? This may offend some, but I prefer Magneto over Doom and Green Goblin, let alone Loki who only REALLY blew up because of the movies, or guys like Red Skull who are important, but don’t really grab you.
And for whoever made the comment about fear and hate because one person is born with powers, but love for someone who gained powers through science not making any sense...think about this: racism exists due to skin color in our world. This is the exact same thing; it happens in the comics too, and it’s quite literally the focal point of the X-Men. It’s pretty apparent in this thread that a lot of people either don’t understand the X-Men, don’t have decent knowledge of their comics in a way that could tie them in, don’t like them, or just want to argue.
#GhostRiderSuckedAlmostAsBadAsFant4stic.
timetowaste85 wrote: X-Men could easily be added in. Xavier has meddled with minds before, could do it again; maybe with the introduction of Fabian Cortez to boost his powers. Or Scarlet Witch has re-written history, ala “House of M”, making herself no longer a mutant, but the universe has plans for her anyway and she gets powers through science/alien tech. Or that most things, aside from Logan and prequels (first class trilogy, origins) are all in a relatively short period of time, maybe the Avengers hadn’t come around yet, and X-Men we’re dealing with their own losses during the Chitauri invasion. Wolverine and Cap both fought in WWII; give Cap a short throw away line about “that creepy Canadian who smelled like a wet dog”, and you INSTANTLY have the X-Men in the universe. All of that skips alternate realities or merging worlds. It’s doable. It’s easy.
And you’d get access to some of the best villains in Marvel. Nobody has a better rogues gallery than the X-Men (subjective, I know). Magneto? Apocalypse? Sinister? Onslaught? Sentinels? This may offend some, but I prefer Magneto over Doom and Green Goblin, let alone Loki who only REALLY blew up because of the movies, or guys like Red Skull who are important, but don’t really grab you.
And for whoever made the comment about fear and hate because one person is born with powers, but love for someone who gained powers through science not making any sense...think about this: racism exists due to skin color in our world. This is the exact same thing; it happens in the comics too, and it’s quite literally the focal point of the X-Men. It’s pretty apparent in this thread that a lot of people either don’t understand the X-Men, don’t have decent knowledge of their comics in a way that could tie them in, don’t like them, or just want to argue.
#GhostRiderSuckedAlmostAsBadAsFant4stic.
I really don't think it could work. The Mutant issue is portrayed as too big and news worthy in the X-men series. You can't have the likes of Iron-man, Thor and Hulk in that world without hearing a reference too it. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver should also be Mutants, but are not. The Sokovia (spelling?) Accords should have also made mention of Mutant individuals.
These discrepancies are made all the more unforgivable when you realize that so many of the events in both series happen in the same places. New York and California specifically.
Put simply, there are no Mutants in the MCU and there straight up cannot be. They can be brought into the MCU, but only through alternate dimension mumbo-jumbo via Dr Strange.
Yodhrin wrote:[But that's kind of the point. They constructed the MCU on the assumption they wouldn't have access to the X-Men and related characters for years and years, if at all, so the "persecuted minority with powers" role has already been filled by the slightly reimagined Inhumans. Cramming the X-Men in there as well doesn't add anything beyond the momentary thrill of seeing "proper" versions of those characters.
That was my point. Here's the initial argument:
Mutants don't make sense in a world like the MCU. The MCU is established as a world without mutants, and to suddenly have mutants that have been around for years doesn't make any sense. Worse, the anti-mutant prejudice doesn't make sense in the comics or the MCU.
Why would people be ok with non-mutant super heroes sporting all sorts of abilities, but this other group with similar (and sometimes identical) abilities is bad because of genetics? It's illogical.
Never in the MCU.
They are not needed for the story (the job's taken and there are enough characters) but the argument that X-Men wouldn't fit into the MCU doesn't hold because they already have Inhumans in there who have all the story essential X-Men attributes (quasi-minority, superpowers, not trusted,…) in the TV show that's attached to the MCU. So if they needed further characters like the Inhumans they could throw in mutants and nobody would notice a big difference. You could swap one for another and nothing big would change. Mutants would work in what they have build, they are just not needed.
I don't know how the discussion pivoted to SJW but have fun with that on your own.
timetowaste85 wrote: This is a terrible thing to say, and you should feel terrible.
Not even slightly.
Mutants don't make sense in a world like the MCU. The MCU is established as a world without mutants, and to suddenly have mutants that have been around for years doesn't make any sense. Worse, the anti-mutant prejudice doesn't make sense in the comics or the MCU.
Why would people be ok with non-mutant super heroes sporting all sorts of abilities, but this other group with similar (and sometimes identical) abilities is bad because of genetics? It's illogical.
Never in the MCU.
timetowaste85 wrote: As much as I enjoyed the Fox X-Men movies, I want to see what happens with Marvel behind the helm.
Marvel at the helm? I've got no issue with that. I do have an issue with them in the MCU.
Battle of New York, Latveria or whatever its called, "meta" humans (i know thats DC but same thing) running around causing havoc, the Accords, jesus there is plenty of reason to hate mutants if they show up, which is also really easy to explain, good old mutants would be mistaken for Enhanced humans, Professor X can just hide in plain sight, mutants popping up left right and centre would make for a good movie to introduce the Xmen, a special forces team tasked with helping them and covering up there existence in a world of the accords hell, captain america MET wolverine and didnt even know he was a mutant at the time.
Its easy to shoe horn into the MCU, just like spiderman was, besides, I would love to see a nerd off between beast, mr fantastic, tony start and bruce banner...... dr strange can come too.
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timetowaste85 wrote: X-Men could easily be added in. Xavier has meddled with minds before, could do it again; maybe with the introduction of Fabian Cortez to boost his powers. Or Scarlet Witch has re-written history, ala “House of M”, making herself no longer a mutant, but the universe has plans for her anyway and she gets powers through science/alien tech. Or that most things, aside from Logan and prequels (first class trilogy, origins) are all in a relatively short period of time, maybe the Avengers hadn’t come around yet, and X-Men we’re dealing with their own losses during the Chitauri invasion. Wolverine and Cap both fought in WWII; give Cap a short throw away line about “that creepy Canadian who smelled like a wet dog”, and you INSTANTLY have the X-Men in the universe. All of that skips alternate realities or merging worlds. It’s doable. It’s easy.
And you’d get access to some of the best villains in Marvel. Nobody has a better rogues gallery than the X-Men (subjective, I know). Magneto? Apocalypse? Sinister? Onslaught? Sentinels? This may offend some, but I prefer Magneto over Doom and Green Goblin, let alone Loki who only REALLY blew up because of the movies, or guys like Red Skull who are important, but don’t really grab you.
And for whoever made the comment about fear and hate because one person is born with powers, but love for someone who gained powers through science not making any sense...think about this: racism exists due to skin color in our world. This is the exact same thing; it happens in the comics too, and it’s quite literally the focal point of the X-Men. It’s pretty apparent in this thread that a lot of people either don’t understand the X-Men, don’t have decent knowledge of their comics in a way that could tie them in, don’t like them, or just want to argue.
#GhostRiderSuckedAlmostAsBadAsFant4stic.
LordofHats wrote: You could explain their sudden appearance the same way the MCU explains everything; aliens. Just House of M the whole thing even. Scarlet Witch is in the MCU and reality manipulation is her thing.
Except, of course, MCU Scarlet Witch isn't a mutant. She's a direct result of people messing about with an Infinity Stone. She's tied into the MCU metaplot, and the mutants would just be poofed into existence with no point, history or direction.
So she's a reality warper, created by warping reality
Hilarious satyrical video, but Magneto and the Avengers have existed in the same universe for about 50 years, before the war between Disney and Fox. I’m pretty sure they’d figure it out. Magneto hasn’t killed them, and they haven’t killed him. Wolverine has an entire skeleton of metal, and Colossus turns to metal; Magneto can affect both of them and tosses them around like rag dolls. Yet they all lived fine (until Marvel killed Wolverine/Logan off, which had feth-all to do with Magneto).
I mean, Marvel has been dealing with these issues for quite literally 50+ years. You think a bunch of armchair movie critics are able to find a reason they couldn’t make the X-Men work in their own universe that they couldn’t beat? Good luck with that. If Marvel gets them back and wants them in, they’ll be in. And it’ll work.
Lets be honest here - if you apply too much science and fact and proper real worldyness to Superheroes they all break. Asides which each time they are written they are all similar yet slightly different.
Their power levels vary immensely between variations to suit what the writer is after. There's no single "superman " or "batman" they are all variations on a theme. Heck lets not forget early Batman and Turtles used guns and killed bad-guys. Meanwhile Superman is ofte portrayed as giving up everything to save a single human life, yet also engages in fights and battles where its clear multiple casualties result from his actions.
The power of super heroes is adjusted and even their background and history to suit whatever story they are being written into. They are generalist concepts that are constantly adapted. This makes them very efficent at changing with the times and shifting to reflect new ideas or cross overs; but also does mean that, after a while, they lose their character. .
timetowaste85 wrote: You think a bunch of armchair movie critics are able to find a reason they couldn’t make the X-Men work in their own universe that they couldn’t beat? Good luck with that. If Marvel gets them back and wants them in, they’ll be in. And it’ll work.
If that's at me, I don't have a dog in this hunt. I just really liked that video.
I'd love to see Gandalf in a super-suit getting shot at by Rocket Raccoon!
I'm not even referring to how the Avengers would interact with mutants. I don't think the Fox X-men can be introduced into the MCU because they haven't been yet.
Sure you could introduce them in as being "hidden" from the world events thus far, but it wouldn't be the Fox X-men. The events of those movies (both pre and post time rewrites) have been too "news worthy". The MCU would have made mention of such things as the Cuban missile Crisis, or the televised assassination attempt of Nixon, etc.
My point is that in order to introduce Mutants into the MCU, you have to reboot the X-men. Story-wise this makes no sense and the MCU is crowded enough already. The only reason to merge the X-men and Avengers is fan service or to get Hugh Jackman and RDJ on screen together.
So while I am sure the X-men and Avengers will share screen time eventually, it will not be with any of the current actors who have made these characters come to life in this millennium unless you resort to dimension hoping shenanigans.
timetowaste85 wrote: You think a bunch of armchair movie critics are able to find a reason they couldn’t make the X-Men work in their own universe that they couldn’t beat? Good luck with that. If Marvel gets them back and wants them in, they’ll be in. And it’ll work.
If that's at me, I don't have a dog in this hunt. I just really liked that video.
I'd love to see Gandalf in a super-suit getting shot at by Rocket Raccoon!
Nah, wasn’t at you Kronk. Just a post in general to every person saying “X-Men can’t rejoin because reasons”; video was funny enough, and the first issue of Marvel Zombies actually did a good job of showing the same thing as that video, with Magneto obliterating the zombie Avengers before succumbing to his wounds. Cap’s shield made a great weapon for him.
LordofHats wrote: You could explain their sudden appearance the same way the MCU explains everything; aliens. Just House of M the whole thing even. Scarlet Witch is in the MCU and reality manipulation is her thing.
Except, of course, MCU Scarlet Witch isn't a mutant. She's a direct result of people messing about with an Infinity Stone. She's tied into the MCU metaplot, and the mutants would just be poofed into existence with no point, history or direction.
So she's a reality warper, created by warping reality
Hmm. Not necessarily. She's a mind warper, certainly, and displays a largely unknown telekinetic ability. Whether she can warp reality like the comic book version isn't really established. Nothing she's done so far even comes close to that.
As for warping reality to create her... Arguable. The hydra approached with the tesseract/scepter just seemed to be 'stick energy siphoned from it into other things'. It just happen to kill most living subjects.
But will Dingo Wucker really surrender his grip so easily? I mean, he's nearly ded, so hopefully the thought of scads of cash will mean the geriatric menace will just bow out.
I would rather the two universe remain separate to be honest for several reasons:
There are already loads of powered people running about and world threatening situations that most of them somehow never become involved with - same as in the comics - adding a whole load of mutants just makes it sillier. The storylines in Foxes X-men universe really don't work with MCU so you have to ditch them or have alt universes.
Although that does mean we are seemingly stuck with the Inhumans - which is all pretty terrible - their own show and Agents of Shield are weak at best, especially Inhumans which is really dire - the best MCU tv show IMO was Agent Carter but they killed that.
I guess you could do the Xmen as "inhumans" but that would likely cause annoyance.
The whole Mutants bad, other powered people good (or at least not bad) does get a bit odd as well.
But will Dingo Wucker really surrender his grip so easily? I mean, he's nearly ded, so hopefully the thought of scads of cash will mean the geriatric menace will just bow out.
Downunder Palpatine appears to be the driving force behind the deal even being a possibility in the first place - he and the board want to double-double-down on their ongoing efforts to ruin democracy(hyperbole, I kid, I kid, put your six shooters away Fox News fans) with their current affairs and infotainment offerings, so they're trying to shift the movie & entertainment-TV side of the business to someone else. Disney just seem to be the ones most interested in buying.
Mr Morden wrote: I would rather the two universe remain separate to be honest for several reasons:
There are already loads of powered people running about and world threatening situations that most of them somehow never become involved with - same as in the comics - adding a whole load of mutants just makes it sillier. The storylines in Foxes X-men universe really don't work with MCU so you have to ditch them or have alt universes.
Although that does mean we are seemingly stuck with the Inhumans - which is all pretty terrible - their own show and Agents of Shield are weak at best, especially Inhumans which is really dire - the best MCU tv show IMO was Agent Carter but they killed that.
I guess you could do the Xmen as "inhumans" but that would likely cause annoyance.
The whole Mutants bad, other powered people good (or at least not bad) does get a bit odd as well.
Deadpool might turn up in MCU and I HATE him.
Well, they do seem to be 'winding down' the MCU following the next two Avenger movies - at least that's what they're saying.
Beyond Ms Marvel, there's nothing really new been added to the slate for yonks, which seems unusual.
Perhaps turning to FF4 and X-Men would be the next logical step? Not necessarily as part of the existing MCU, but running alongside it?
Mr Morden wrote: I would rather the two universe remain separate to be honest for several reasons:
There are already loads of powered people running about and world threatening situations that most of them somehow never become involved with - same as in the comics - adding a whole load of mutants just makes it sillier. The storylines in Foxes X-men universe really don't work with MCU so you have to ditch them or have alt universes.
Although that does mean we are seemingly stuck with the Inhumans - which is all pretty terrible - their own show and Agents of Shield are weak at best, especially Inhumans which is really dire - the best MCU tv show IMO was Agent Carter but they killed that.
I guess you could do the Xmen as "inhumans" but that would likely cause annoyance.
The whole Mutants bad, other powered people good (or at least not bad) does get a bit odd as well.
Deadpool might turn up in MCU and I HATE him.
Well, they do seem to be 'winding down' the MCU following the next two Avenger movies - at least that's what they're saying.
Beyond Ms Marvel, there's nothing really new been added to the slate for yonks, which seems unusual.
Perhaps turning to FF4 and X-Men would be the next logical step? Not necessarily as part of the existing MCU, but running alongside it?
Or even "Hey, crazy technobabble fallout from Infinity Wars has miraculously transformed some scientist and his family into superheroes, and people have started developing superpowers with puberty". Giving them a couple franchises to work into a post-IW MCU.
Well, if Disney do get access to FF4 we may finally get a decent shot at making Doom a credible threat. I could see him being put forward as the next "big bad" of the franchise after Thanos.
Mr Morden wrote: I would rather the two universe remain separate to be honest for several reasons:
There are already loads of powered people running about and world threatening situations that most of them somehow never become involved with - same as in the comics - adding a whole load of mutants just makes it sillier. The storylines in Foxes X-men universe really don't work with MCU so you have to ditch them or have alt universes.
Although that does mean we are seemingly stuck with the Inhumans - which is all pretty terrible - their own show and Agents of Shield are weak at best, especially Inhumans which is really dire - the best MCU tv show IMO was Agent Carter but they killed that.
I guess you could do the Xmen as "inhumans" but that would likely cause annoyance.
The whole Mutants bad, other powered people good (or at least not bad) does get a bit odd as well.
Deadpool might turn up in MCU and I HATE him.
I am fine with ditching the Fox X-Men universe. It is pretty much complete trash. Wolverine had a couple good movies. But the actual X-Men movies are hot garbage. Same goes for the dumpster fire that was the F4 Movies.
Deadpool in MCU would have been great considering he has a lot of history with Thanos and could have been his downfall.
Honestly it's kind of the same situation as Star Wars for me. I'd rate the X-Men films as 1/3 good movies, 1/3 mediocre movies, and 1/3 bad movies and the good movies aren't that good. Kind of close to bottom of the barrel really. Can't get much worse.
I've liked all the X-men stuff to some extent (if you pretend Deadpool doesn't exist as part of it, which I do). In fact, to quite a large extent, there's not one I wouldn't happily watch.
That said, I'd be fine with it going back to Marvel, just to stop them scraping the bottom of the license barrel (New Mutants and Gambit? Couldn't care less), though in a perfect world they manage to release Dark Phoenix next year as that's already in production, I believe, and I really like the current cast and want to see that lineup as 'proper' X-men.
The downside of the MCU getting them is that you'd have to start from fairly early on just so you don't retcon them into existence. It's the same problem Spidey had with Homecoming, because they felt the need to go with a really young Peter we get a version that's unfamiliar with his powers, inexperienced and almost incompetent, and with both him and the X-men, that ground has already been covered very recently and to me at least is the least interesting version you can do.
I appreciate you can't throw a 30-year-old Spidey or Beast or Cyclops into the MCU and explain that they've been superheroing since their teens just slightly off-screen, but I'd rather not see the same old tropes of 'kid gets powers he doesn't understand and takes a film to learn them' done again quite so soon. It's not a generic Origin Story, but it's the next worst thing.
Well, the upside is, if Marvel does get them, that doesn't mean the MCU has to get them. The X Verse can and should stand on its own flippers and/or feet analogues.
Nor do they need to do a 'kids with powers' story. There are a bunch of approaches to take- personally I'd start an X-men film with the tail end of a mission, drop enough beats to give a general summary (have a tv talking head decrying their actions and mutants in general, for example), then move on to a story worth telling.
At this point the origin story isn't needed, it's been done enough times, and people can bloody well google it if they can't understand 'superhero team.' The movies need to focus on interesting characters, a sane plot and compelling opposition. Name drop Xavier and have Storm lead the team against the Hellfire Club's scheme to steal Shadowcat and Doug Ramsey in an attempt to brainwash them or break in to some major computer system. Climax with a good team on team brawl, major property damage and everyone (or almost everyone) escaping in the confusion after Shadowcat and Doug convince Firestorm to turn. The broad outlines are really easy, there is plenty of material to shuffle around and update, without overwhelming people with absolutely nonsense like the fox versions.
In theory, since they actually bought the 20th Century Fox studio, there's nothing to stop Disney just letting them keep operating as they were for the time being. I imagine anything currently in production will be wrapped up and released before they consider rebooting (either into the MCU or just a new universe) , so stuff like Dark Phoenix, New Mutants, The Gifted ect will probably all be finished rather than cancelled.
I'm excited to have most of these properties under one roof. Additionally with the stake in Hulu it might mean that's where their content goes when they leave Netflix instead of creating their own streaming service. Though at least if they do that now there might be stuff worth watching.
Fox runs a different distribution in Europe which Disney also acquired apparently based on the article above. But since they are already pulling out of netflix if you get FOX programs a different way then you hope they do the same thing I do which is expand the new properties already in place instead of creating another subscription service.
Constantin shouldn't be a problem. They have the right to make FF films, but the 21stC Fox has exclusive rights to distribute the films they make IIRC, so if Constantin get pissy about Marvel Studios taking creative control of FF going forward(if they do), Disney can simply say fine then, make as many FF films as you like and we will never, ever distribute them so you'll just be pissing their budget away. Since Disney can probably hold out in any financial standoff a wee bit longer than Constantin, the latter will almost certainly just play ball.
Constantin shouldn't be a problem. They have the right to make FF films, but the 21stC Fox has exclusive rights to distribute the films they make IIRC, so if Constantin get pissy about Marvel Studios taking creative control of FF going forward(if they do), Disney can simply say fine then, make as many FF films as you like and we will never, ever distribute them so you'll just be pissing their budget away. Since Disney can probably hold out in any financial standoff a wee bit longer than Constantin, the latter will almost certainly just play ball.
Well yes, there's that, but then I think there's also this:
Alpharius wrote:
This official Disney Press Release certainly makes it seem like the Fantastic Four are back!!!
Does no one worry that House of Mouse will have a monopoly on entertainment at the rate they are gobbling up other companies? That would not be a good thing, believe me.
Also, just like what I suspect happened with Lucasfilm, I have to wonder if Fox Studios was facing a hostile takeover situation and the execs chose to sell (and most likely accept a gag order as part of the deal so no one would think ill of Disney) rather than simply be taken over.
ZergSmasher wrote: Does no one worry that House of Mouse will have a monopoly on entertainment at the rate they are gobbling up other companies? That would not be a good thing, believe me.
Not really. For film, we've had an extra past the 'Big Five' for quite a while now.
There is still quite a lot of competition, plus any number of outfits outside the big five- I'm not particularly concerned.
They'll get part control of Hulu, which is already split between Comcast and Time Warner, so mostly just a change in name tag, now power or control there. Plus, Disney is already plowing money into setting up its own streaming services, so this is actually likely to increase competition in this area
Also, just like what I suspect happened with Lucasfilm, I have to wonder if Fox Studios was facing a hostile takeover situation and the execs chose to sell (and most likely accept a gag order as part of the deal so no one would think ill of Disney) rather than simply be taken over.
It seems unlikely, given the benefits the parent Fox company gets out it (they get a huge mass of Disney stock (~25%), so they profit if Disney does), and it looks like the second Murdoch son gets to continue to play around as a major player under the Mouse management.
Though honestly, I don't think this happened with Lucasfilm either- George, I think, wanted to cash out. He expected to heralded as a messiah for his 'reworked' films, and for bringing the prequel trilogy forth like some kind of returned Prometheus. But he really lost track of how to make films, and didn't like the backlash.
From an entertainment perspective, it gets a successful company (Disney's Marvel) the rights to the properties Fox screwed up beyond belief. (X-men, FF), and gives them control over the old star wars films, which they actually didn't have. (Since they were Fox productions)
ZergSmasher wrote: Does no one worry that House of Mouse will have a monopoly on entertainment at the rate they are gobbling up other companies? That would not be a good thing, believe me.
Also, just like what I suspect happened with Lucasfilm, I have to wonder if Fox Studios was facing a hostile takeover situation and the execs chose to sell (and most likely accept a gag order as part of the deal so no one would think ill of Disney) rather than simply be taken over.
I asked the same question earlier in thread. If I learn d anything today though it’s that monopolies always win!
Resistance is futile!
Also Fox and Disney both owned a third stake in Hulu. With this acquisition Disney is now majority shareholder so there might be more effect than just a name change.
Honestly the most exciting thing about that is we might see Deadpool's version of Colossus and Negasonic in a proper X-Men movie if Marvel choose to make those(and Deadpool might get access to more X-Men to take the piss out of), rather than them being locked away in R-rated land while the "proper" X-Men movies get lost up their own arse with all the timey-wimey stuff.
With Dark Phoenix already in the can and awaiting post-production then release, it strikes me that Disney may not be rebooting X-Men any time soon.
But, if they can do for FF4 what they did for Spider-Man, I'd be right up for that. Whilst I'm not exactly up on my FF4 lore, they have always struck me as the most 'family friendly' of Marvel's stable. That could be how Disney choose to explore?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Remember that Constantin did make an F4 movie just to keep the rights, so it's not outside of the realm of possibility.
Not sure what you mean by that?
Disney's press release specifically mentions having the FF back now, so...?
And yes, The Incredibles The Fantastic Four *could* be the most 'family friendly' property, but their best use is as a high-tech exploration Science Heroes type of thing, as well as being a family.
So now Disney will own the distribution rights for all 3 of the original Star Wars movies.
They better release remastered versions of the original theatrical cuts. Lucas' tears will be delicious when they outsell his "NOOOOOO" inserting, Hayden Christensen retconning, Ewok music replacing abominations by a bucketload.
ZergSmasher wrote: Does no one worry that House of Mouse will have a monopoly on entertainment at the rate they are gobbling up other companies? That would not be a good thing, believe me.
They don't own Warner Brothers, Paramount, Universal, Sony, Lions Gate or a dozen smaller companies, so no, not really.
I stole this from elsewhere on the web: Since Disney now own Fox, and Fox owns the Alien franchise, and Xenomorphs are hatched from a Queen, are Xenomorphs now part of the pantheon of Disney Princesess?
feeder wrote: I stole this from elsewhere on the web: Since Disney now own Fox, and Fox owns the Alien franchise, and Xenomorphs are hatched from a Queen, are Xenomorphs now part of the pantheon of Disney Princesess?
Not Xenomorphs.
Facehuggers. For Facehuggers are begat of the Queen, and thus legally Princesses.
ZergSmasher wrote: Does no one worry that House of Mouse will have a monopoly on entertainment at the rate they are gobbling up other companies? That would not be a good thing, believe me.
They don't own Warner Brothers, Paramount, Universal, Sony, Lions Gate or a dozen smaller companies, so no, not really.
They don't own them yet, but in the future, who can say?
I do like the idea of the X-men going into the MCU, although the MCU is already glutted with characters as it is. That and maybe a good Fantastic 4 movie. I didn't hate the first one, but I haven't seen the Silver Surfer one or the reboot one, which I've heard were awful.
FF2 (Silver Surfer) is a bit better then FF1, so you should defintiely check it out.
The re-booted FF movie should be avoided at all costs.
And bringing the X-men into the MCU can help in terms of upping the level of the overall cast, rather than having too many low B and high C level characters showing up!
After having thought about it, I think I agree with the idea that mutants really don't have a place in the MCU, generally speaking. They're going to have to do a lot of retconning to make it happen at a minimum.
I think they really have 2 options: they can either abandon the current X movies after New Mutants, which wouldn't be a bad idea since they've gotten pretty lame outside of Hugh Jackman and do a full, integrated reboot; or
They can go the Spider Man: Homecoming route, pretend they were there more or less all along, and (please) do no origin stories at all.
I don't think either applies to Deadpool since his schtick can be slid into the current movies pretty easily.
ZergSmasher wrote: Does no one worry that House of Mouse will have a monopoly on entertainment at the rate they are gobbling up other companies? That would not be a good thing, believe me.
I think if you're worried about this you don't realize just how enormous Time Warner is.
There's plenty of ways to allow crossover travelling while keeping the universes separate.
Heck, I really want Cable from Deadpool 2 to end up being the thread that connects all the various X-universes together. - EG, have a scene of him meeting Laura from 'Logan' and bringing her to James McAvoy's school...
Ouze wrote: After having thought about it, I think I agree with the idea that mutants really don't have a place in the MCU, generally speaking. They're going to have to do a lot of retconning to make it happen at a minimum.
I think they really have 2 options: they can either abandon the current X movies after New Mutants, which wouldn't be a bad idea since they've gotten pretty lame outside of Hugh Jackman and do a full, integrated reboot; or
They can go the Spider Man: Homecoming route, pretend they were there more or less all along, and (please) do no origin stories at all.
I don't think either applies to Deadpool since his schtick can be slid into the current movies pretty easily.
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I suspect the X-Men will be integrated once the current phase is over for the MCU when the film franchise will probably be getting a soft reboot anyway. A lot of the actor contracts are running out by then and the major narrative of the current phase concludes with the end of Infinity War.
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Hulksmash wrote: I'd be shocked with this if they didn't just redo hulu. There is no reason to create something brand new when you own 66% of a major distributer.
This. Why make a whole new service when they can repurpose one they have a majority share in?
If they integrate the X-Men into the MCU I'm not expecting them to keep the current crop of films as canon at all. I'm guessing Deadpool will be considering the money it makes, and the Mouse loves money, but it's been pretty removed from the X-Men films anyway. If they keep them separate they may continue with that's happened and just roll with it.
Interested to see how it all works but the MCU is already pretty crowded unless they are going to use Thanos to cull some characters
I really liked most of the Xmen films, they had some great stuff and hope their universe stays in some form rather than trying to crowbar them into the MCU.
I am also hoping they will keep Deadpool seperate so i never have to watch him.
Hulksmash wrote: I'd be shocked with this if they didn't just redo hulu. There is no reason to create something brand new when you own 66% of a major distributer.
This. Why make a whole new service when they can repurpose one they have a majority share in?
So Disney can keep up appearances. Their own-brand streaming network gets Star Wars and all the other "family friendly" stuff, and they can keep producing anything more violent or raunchy than the House of Mouse is known for under the Fox brands and shunt it over onto Hulu so they don't have to pay Netflix a cut.
As usual, it's garbage for consumers but the commercial logic will probably work for them.
EDIT: Re the MCU - I'm fairly sure they'd always planned to cull some characters with Avengers 3 & 4. They got a lot of solid bargains in terms of talented unknown actors or existing names looking to kick their career back into gear, but the Marvel movies have turned them all into big names and now their initial contracts are coming up for renewal they'll be able to demand a much bigger piece of pie this time. Plus some of the actors have made rumblings that they're keen to move on and do something different, so even if Disney did offer to cough up bigbucks to keep them around I suspect Cap and Thor will be riding off into the sunset regardless. I think they might keep Stark around as the new Nick Fury, have him pop up like he did in Homecoming, since smaller parts will cost them less while still letting them stick RDJ on the poster for anything they think is a bit risky. Others might end up getting the chop too, and Thanos is an easy way to deal with all that in a way that doesn't completely reek of corporate maneuvering.
Well I was more thinking they'll explain it via the Infinity Gauntlet. Reality warping and all that. The comics do something like it every couple of years.
I could see a total reboot of the X-Men where the mutant gene starts popping up post Infinity War.
Shifting public opinion when instead of 8 guys all the way over in New York have super powers the kid down the street who used to beat up your son suddenly starts combusting things. Plus some mutants are ugly, and people hate that. Port all the characters over to that. Then they can move all their current expensive guys into mentor/bit roles and bring up a whole new cast of unknowns.
Alpharius wrote: The FF can *easily* be inserted into the MCU - they were just off 'exploring' up until....'now'!
I quite like the pitch Moviebob did in one of his videos a while ago - do another "period piece" for FF set in the 60's that culminates in some kind of timey-wimey anomaly with the big final sequence being them splash-landing a retro space shuttle in a river in a major American city in the modern day; not an origin story per se since the 60's stuff would just have them already as their hero team dealing with some baddie, but an "explanation story" for why there's an old-timey nuclear family-analogue wandering around in the 2020's-ish. Plus it sets up some fun "Mad Men meets modernity" shenanigans for future movies in the same vein as Cap's interactions with the Avengers(which I suspect will be missing going forward).
Alpharius wrote: The FF can *easily* be inserted into the MCU - they were just off 'exploring' up until....'now'!
Doesn't need to be something as exotic as exploring. While I'd hesitate to make it a Stark subsidiary, pretty much any company could have hired or contracted Reed (and Ben as a pilot?) to do some tests on an anti-alien satellite, Chitauri tech, weird rock or whatever. Cue Sue introducing Johnny, and something something superpowers. I think it would be amusing if rather some convoluted (and ludicrous) scenario to get the Sue and Johnny into direct exposure to 'cosmic rays' (particularly if in space), they get their powers from secondary exposure to Reed and Ben.
Dr. Doom could actually end up being introduced as a background character in a Dr. Strange sequel- a sorcerer Strange rescues from Mordu's murder spree, having openly manifested his power in a lab accident he blames on someone else...
I would want a FF movie where the FF, as teens in the 60s/70s, do their experiment. Doom is there, but does not come along. Accident happens. Doom gets his cut on his cheek. They end up in the negative zone. Bad guy is Annihilus.
Time functions differently in the Negative Zone, they come back and it's the modern day. Doom has fully established himself in the modern day as full doom with all the magic and and tech and running Latveria. Post credit scene of Doom watching news reports of their return, shakes his armored hand "Richards!"
Lance845 wrote: I would want a FF movie where the FF, as teens in the 60s/70s, do their experiment. Doom is there, but does not come along. Accident happens. Doom gets his cut on his cheek. They end up in the negative zone. Bad guy is Annihilus.
Time functions differently in the Negative Zone, they come back and it's the modern day. Doom has fully established himself in the modern day as full doom with all the magic and and tech and running Latveria. Post credit scene of Doom watching news reports of their return, shakes his armored hand "Richards!"
With the exception of them all being teens, I was on board. Grimm is a pilot, possibly an astronaut, so he'd have to have some age on him. Richards could be a Sheldon Cooper type genius and get away with it, but it'd still feel wrong. What I DO hope for, however, is that with the inevitable ethnicity swap, that they make Reed Richards into an African American this time. You'd have a strong intelligent black character who doesn't fall into massive stereotypes like the Torch did, and Reed and Sue's marriage would take on more meaning, especially since we don't actually see very many interracial relationships in the MCU.
I think people's myriad suggestions about alternate earths is the best way to start stitching it altogether.
Whilst I enjoyed my Civil War era crossover spectaculars, I'm not all that up on my Marvel Minutiae. But there are lots and lots of ways to get that reality hopping going.
It's handwavium to be sure, but the single best way to get that job done without messing with timelines.
Heck, Dr Strange could clock some kind of dimensional cascade, causing the tangled mess of X-Men's actual timeline, and try to stabilise it? That'd be a laff.
I watched Logan this weekend finally. Now that I saw it, I feel like that was like the end of the whole xmen movie series. Was it supposed to be? Would it be better to start fresh with Disney and have them mix them in with the current avengers ongoing storyline universe thingy?
Necros wrote: I watched Logan this weekend finally. Now that I saw it, I feel like that was like the end of the whole xmen movie series. Was it supposed to be? Would it be better to start fresh with Disney and have them mix them in with the current avengers ongoing storyline universe thingy?
its not a bad film - the whole X Men films series are a bit odd in how they (or don't) fit with each other.
I like pretty much all of them to be honest - not quite as good as MCU but they have had some great moments and on screen characters in all of them. Then yu have the tv series as well - The ifted is a bit rubbish - I thought it was a prequal to Logan but i think its another alt universe to the films ?
The X men Universe always had loads of alt realities so they can do what they like with it really without actualy ditching or mrerging them.
Necros wrote: I watched Logan this weekend finally. Now that I saw it, I feel like that was like the end of the whole xmen movie series. Was it supposed to be? Would it be better to start fresh with Disney and have them mix them in with the current avengers ongoing storyline universe thingy?
It was a wrap to Wolverine's character and since his was the only one of that group still making movies, effectively it ends that series. But remember they have the *another* group going now (ironically Jackman also played Wolvie there) that continues. Dark Phoenix is scheduled for winter 2018.
I would be surprised if they don't start crossing over at some point for cross promotion. Keep in mind, though, that the next X-Men takes place in the 90s, so there is a time gap. Since it is supposedly finished, I would guess that the best you can hope for is a crossover hint in the post credits.
Alpharius wrote: "Alternate Worlds" probably won't fly in terms of the larger audience.
It's a bit too "comic-booky" (for lack of a better term) to fly.
I think the MCU will just start folding these new characters in as if they've just appeared or were 'always here in secret'.
Just easier that way, and anything else is probably unnecessarily complicated.
Eh, people always say that about the audience. Audiences were fine with Gardians of the Galaxy being all out there and spacey. Audiences were fine with Dr Strnage. Audiences can probably handle Alternate Worlds stories just fine.
Well, I disagree, and I'd bet that 'alternate worlds' will not be the route they end up taking, and it won't be for some weird talking down to the audience reason - it will just be unnecessary!
Integrating X Men and FF should be easy. Wait for Infinity Stone Arc to end, have big blue do some Gauntlet crap. As a last eff you to humanity, Thanos goes back in time and changes Apocalypse genes and boom, the start of the Mutants! This could cause a chain reaction causing the Richards to do their thing.
I pray they do not attempt to integrate the attrocities that were the x men movies. The Wolverine trilogy was alright. Jackman was a great Wolverine. Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart were both great for their parts. Purge the rest.
Deadpool can stay, because his movie was awesome, but also because the studio forced them to make a movie that kind of kept to itself. It doesn't really have much crossover with the rest of the bad X Men stuff. Thank god.
Dreadwinter wrote: Integrating X Men and FF should be easy. Wait for Infinity Stone Arc to end, have big blue do some Gauntlet crap. As a last eff you to humanity, Thanos goes back in time and changes Apocalypse genes and boom, the start of the Mutants! This could cause a chain reaction causing the Richards to do their thing.
I pray they do not attempt to integrate the attrocities that were the x men movies. The Wolverine trilogy was alright. Jackman was a great Wolverine. Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart were both great for their parts. Purge the rest.
Deadpool can stay, because his movie was awesome, but also because the studio forced them to make a movie that kind of kept to itself. It doesn't really have much crossover with the rest of the bad X Men stuff. Thank god.
They could do that - I thought all the actors playing Magneto and Proffessor were great plus most of the others esp Mistique, Wolverine and Quicksilver. Days fo future past was great - only really found the first and third X men films as being weak. All the rest were great,
Deadpool - everything about that character should be purged in fire, buried deep and never spoken of again.
