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It's not a problem unique to entertainment, it's just how modern late-stage capitalism works. Next time you think about boycotting something or switching to a different brand because the company did something awful either to you specifically or just generally, dig in and follow the chain of ownership for that brand all the way to the top. More than half the time the brand you were considering switching to instead will be owned by the same transnational megaconglomerate, and when it's not, by one of the other one or two transnational megaconglomerates involved in that same category of product(who will themselves own plenty of brands also associated with shoddy production values, poor customer service, or outright criminality).
Consumer choice in the modern marketplace is almost completely illusory, a few arseholes already own and control everything, and no matter where you spend your money someone objectionable will profit and the system as a whole will be reinforced.
At this point, short of actual pick-up-your-pitchfork Bolshevism, all anyone can do is sit back, enjoy the ride, and hope automation kills the transnational oligarchy that's forming quicker than it can transform us into a cyberpunk dystopian nightmare - in short, so long as Disney are doing a reasonable job with the IPs you like, you're as well to just try not thinking about their more disturbing qualities.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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This is a terrible thing to say, and you should feel terrible. As much as I enjoyed the Fox X-Men movies, I want to see what happens with Marvel behind the helm.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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This is a terrible thing to say, and you should feel terrible. As much as I enjoyed the Fox X-Men movies, I want to see what happens with Marvel behind the helm.
I'm with H.B.M.C. here. The last thing the MCU needs is a content explosion, and retreading all those introductions and going back over all the same themes. It would just degenerate into an edgelord contest about who has it worse.
If they wanted to do a separate Mutant 'Verse, that would be fine, but at this point the only thing the MCU needs is some decent villains (and they could pillage the better FF villains and leave the team itself to burn).
Anyway, it will be interesting to see if anything comes of this.
I'm almost more amused to see if anything would happen to Gotham, since that's on Fox.
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timetowaste85 wrote: This is a terrible thing to say, and you should feel terrible.
Not even slightly.
Mutants don't make sense in a world like the MCU. The MCU is established as a world without mutants, and to suddenly have mutants that have been around for years doesn't make any sense. Worse, the anti-mutant prejudice doesn't make sense in the comics or the MCU.
Why would people be ok with non-mutant super heroes sporting all sorts of abilities, but this other group with similar (and sometimes identical) abilities is bad because of genetics? It's illogical.
Never in the MCU.
timetowaste85 wrote: As much as I enjoyed the Fox X-Men movies, I want to see what happens with Marvel behind the helm.
Marvel at the helm? I've got no issue with that. I do have an issue with them in the MCU.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Mutants don't make sense in a world like the MCU. The MCU is established as a world without mutants, and to suddenly have mutants that have been around for years doesn't make any sense. Worse, the anti-mutant prejudice doesn't make sense in the comics or the MCU.
Why would people be ok with non-mutant super heroes sporting all sorts of abilities, but this other group with similar (and sometimes identical) abilities is bad because of genetics? It's illogical.
Never in the MCU.
timetowaste85 wrote: As much as I enjoyed the Fox X-Men movies, I want to see what happens with Marvel behind the helm.
Marvel at the helm? I've got no issue with that. I do have an issue with them in the MCU.
While I agree that mutants in the MCU would bee too much (for purely bloat and storytelling reasons) that argument doesn't make sense. The Agents of Shields TV series is connected to the MCU (with a few actors/storylines crossing over) and that one has Inhumans who have powers that are similar to what mutants have just with a different behind the scenes justification. Prejudices are still there and they explore similar themes.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Mutants don't make sense in a world like the MCU. The MCU is established as a world without mutants, and to suddenly have mutants that have been around for years doesn't make any sense. Worse, the anti-mutant prejudice doesn't make sense in the comics or the MCU.
Why would people be ok with non-mutant super heroes sporting all sorts of abilities, but this other group with similar (and sometimes identical) abilities is bad because of genetics? It's illogical.
Never in the MCU.
timetowaste85 wrote: As much as I enjoyed the Fox X-Men movies, I want to see what happens with Marvel behind the helm.
Marvel at the helm? I've got no issue with that. I do have an issue with them in the MCU.
While I agree that mutants in the MCU would bee too much (for purely bloat and storytelling reasons) that argument doesn't make sense. The Agents of Shields TV series is connected to the MCU (with a few actors/storylines crossing over) and that one has Inhumans who have powers that are similar to what mutants have just with a different behind the scenes justification. Prejudices are still there and they explore similar themes.
But that's kind of the point. They constructed the MCU on the assumption they wouldn't have access to the X-Men and related characters for years and years, if at all, so the "persecuted minority with powers" role has already been filled by the slightly reimagined Inhumans. Cramming the X-Men in there as well doesn't add anything beyond the momentary thrill of seeing "proper" versions of those characters. Spiderman makes a good contrast, since the MCU was lacking a younger-audience PoV character and Spidey is pretty much the ultimate Marvel version of that character trope, so being able to bring him in added something to the whole beyond just Spidey showing up for some cool moves and quick jokes during fight scenes.
Adding them in now would also require pretty huge retcons/reworkings of both the MCU and the cinematic X-Men, and tbh I don't think it's worth the effort and confusion among casual audiences when there are so many other interesting and less well-trodden stories & characters to explore in the MCU. I mean lets be 100% real here, chances are if Marvel had access to X-Men and Fantastic 4 we wouldn't have gotten Guardians, or Black Panther, or Ant Man, and I'd rather have those than a slightly different take on the X-Men & co.
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I agree, X-Men in the MCU doesn't work. I'd argue it doesn't even really work in the comics.
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In a world which hates and fears mutants and those who are different to them... America's greatest hero is a genetically modified superhuman with super strength that is over 80 years old, yet doesn't look a day over 30."
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I'd also suggest people look at "The Gifted" - it doesn't seem to get as much press as Legion did but it's a real solid show and I think it wouldn't work as a MCU set show. - Disney's attempts with inhumans in Agents of SHIELD, and what I've seen of the Inhumans show so far confirm this, for me at least.
At the most, I'd maybe go along with a M'Kraan Crystal or Gateway style alternate reality travelling shenanigans. - Like the DC CW shows do with the alternate Earths.
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Compel wrote: I agree, X-Men in the MCU doesn't work. I'd argue it doesn't even really work in the comics.
<Jon Bailey>
In a world which hates and fears mutants and those who are different to them... America's greatest hero is a genetically modified superhuman with super strength that is over 80 years old, yet doesn't look a day over 30."
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I'd also suggest people look at "The Gifted" - it doesn't seem to get as much press as Legion did but it's a real solid show and I think it wouldn't work as a MCU set show. - Disney's attempts with inhumans in Agents of SHIELD, and what I've seen of the Inhumans show so far confirm this, for me at least.
At the most, I'd maybe go along with a M'Kraan Crystal or Gateway style alternate reality travelling shenanigans. - Like the DC CW shows do with the alternate Earths.
Oh jeebus don't mention The Gifted, you'll be hung drawn and quartered as an SJW for praising that show's take on the X-Men mythos.
To be fair though, the key thing with the X-Men is that all the bigotry is rooted, at its core, in the kind of parochial existential horror that "normal" humans might be "replaced" by mutants. It's rooted in the old-fashioned conception of Homo Sapiens vs Neanderthals where the "superior" Homo Sapiens came in and took over and the Neanderthals got exterminated, with "normal" humans fearing they're the Neanderthals this time around. Of course now we have evidence that it's highly likely what *actually* happened was hybridisation - both the pre-Neanderthal version of Homo Sapiens and the Neanderthals ceased to exist and interbreeding created a new version of Homo Sapiens, and the same is true of humans and mutants, but that still works for the story because you can tap into a different kind of ugly "purity"-style bigotry.
The Inhumans show is a shambles, but that's on the moron showrunner - unlike with Iron Fist he didn't have the budget or the writers to produce something that was merely mediocre by Marvel standards. I actually quite like *most* of the Inhumans stuff they did on Agents; Lincoln, the occasional forays into The Adventures of Agent Mary Sue, and a couple of overall dud episodes aside I think they did a good job with a fairly ludicrous brief(turn Inhumans into X-Men 2.0).
Adding them in now would also require pretty huge retcons/reworkings of both the MCU and the cinematic X-Men
Cinematic X-Men is already a quilt of retcons and reworkings XD
Eh on the X-Men side I was more thinking about the inevitable recasting(Marvel likes their actors as new and/or cheap as possible), it's the MCU side where the retcons would go badly IMO, trying to shoehorn the X-Men mythos into the MCU as if it had always been there would not go down well.
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"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
You could explain their sudden appearance the same way the MCU explains everything; aliens. Just House of M the whole thing even. Scarlet Witch is in the MCU and reality manipulation is her thing.
Mario wrote: While I agree that mutants in the MCU would bee too much (for purely bloat and storytelling reasons) that argument doesn't make sense. The Agents of Shields TV series is connected to the MCU (with a few actors/storylines crossing over) and that one has Inhumans who have powers that are similar to what mutants have just with a different behind the scenes justification. Prejudices are still there and they explore similar themes.
1. No one knows nor cares about Inhumans (as a concept, not the show Inhumans). The full ramifications of Inhumans being out in the world was never really explored, and they're a -new- thing, as opposed to there suddenly being mutants for decades with all the prejudices that come with them. 2. The prejudices still don't make sense in a world of super heroes.
One guy who can control fire because of SCIENCE or one who can control fire because he fell in some radioactive waste when he was a child is fine, but another guy with the exact same powers but with the X-gene is suddenly someone to be prejudiced against? What???
Yodhrin wrote: Oh jeebus don't mention The Gifted, you'll be hung drawn and quartered as an SJW for praising that show's take on the X-Men mythos.
Are you kidding me? The Gifted is great. It's the best Marvel show on regular TV, certainly better than Agents of SHIELD has ever been.
Runaways could be better than it though... but that's Hulu, so it doesn't count. Hell the best character on Runaways is the "insufferable SJW" (to quote one of the characters). Well, except for Molly, because Molly is automatically always the best character.
Compel wrote: <Jon Bailey> In a world which hates and fears mutants and those who are different to them... America's greatest hero is a genetically modified superhuman with super strength that is over 80 years old, yet doesn't look a day over 30." </Jon Bailey>
fething exactly! Human torch ok? Iceman bad!!
It doesn't make sense!!!
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LordofHats wrote: You could explain their sudden appearance the same way the MCU explains everything; aliens. Just House of M the whole thing even. Scarlet Witch is in the MCU and reality manipulation is her thing.
Except, of course, MCU Scarlet Witch isn't a mutant. She's a direct result of people messing about with an Infinity Stone. She's tied into the MCU metaplot, and the mutants would just be poofed into existence with no point, history or direction.
Selling a House of M reality warp to the general audience would be very hard, and it's pretty directly contrary to the theme of House of M. (Creating mutants rather than getting rid of mutants), so has the dubious benefit of pissing off everyone else.
Plus, given how recent things in the MCU (or MCU adjacent) turned out, a stray passle of mutants is entirely surplus to requirements.
X-men should remain separate to the MCU regardless. Too many characters and stories in the same world. I'm already having trouble separating the events of the various films and TV shows from each other considering they are meant to be in the same world.
As for the potential merger, not a fan of these mega-mergers. Less players mean more of a fixed game.
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Yodhrin wrote: Oh jeebus don't mention The Gifted, you'll be hung drawn and quartered as an SJW for praising that show's take on the X-Men mythos.
Are you kidding me? The Gifted is great. It's the best Marvel show on regular TV, certainly better than Agents of SHIELD has ever been.
Hey go check out the Gifted thread, apparently the X-Men has never been about prejudice & bigotry and Sentinel Services Did Nothing Wrong because Magneto.
Runaways could be better than it though... but that's Hulu, so it doesn't count. Hell the best character on Runaways is the "insufferable SJW" (to quote one of the characters). Well, except for Molly, because Molly is automatically always the best character.
Eeeehhhhh, nah, the "insufferable SJW" was pretty insufferable. The best thing about that show is the parents, their story is one I want to see more of, I could do without the ANGST "band of misfits from all the stereotypical American highschool social groups" stuff, but alas the latter looks to be a big part of the concept for the IP so I think it's probably just not for me. I'll keep watching for a few more episodes to see how much of a balance it strikes, but if the kids are the main characters which I suspect they're supposed to be I'll probably end up giving this one a pass.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
X-Men could easily be added in. Xavier has meddled with minds before, could do it again; maybe with the introduction of Fabian Cortez to boost his powers. Or Scarlet Witch has re-written history, ala “House of M”, making herself no longer a mutant, but the universe has plans for her anyway and she gets powers through science/alien tech. Or that most things, aside from Logan and prequels (first class trilogy, origins) are all in a relatively short period of time, maybe the Avengers hadn’t come around yet, and X-Men we’re dealing with their own losses during the Chitauri invasion. Wolverine and Cap both fought in WWII; give Cap a short throw away line about “that creepy Canadian who smelled like a wet dog”, and you INSTANTLY have the X-Men in the universe. All of that skips alternate realities or merging worlds. It’s doable. It’s easy.
And you’d get access to some of the best villains in Marvel. Nobody has a better rogues gallery than the X-Men (subjective, I know). Magneto? Apocalypse? Sinister? Onslaught? Sentinels? This may offend some, but I prefer Magneto over Doom and Green Goblin, let alone Loki who only REALLY blew up because of the movies, or guys like Red Skull who are important, but don’t really grab you.
And for whoever made the comment about fear and hate because one person is born with powers, but love for someone who gained powers through science not making any sense...think about this: racism exists due to skin color in our world. This is the exact same thing; it happens in the comics too, and it’s quite literally the focal point of the X-Men. It’s pretty apparent in this thread that a lot of people either don’t understand the X-Men, don’t have decent knowledge of their comics in a way that could tie them in, don’t like them, or just want to argue.
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timetowaste85 wrote: X-Men could easily be added in. Xavier has meddled with minds before, could do it again; maybe with the introduction of Fabian Cortez to boost his powers. Or Scarlet Witch has re-written history, ala “House of M”, making herself no longer a mutant, but the universe has plans for her anyway and she gets powers through science/alien tech. Or that most things, aside from Logan and prequels (first class trilogy, origins) are all in a relatively short period of time, maybe the Avengers hadn’t come around yet, and X-Men we’re dealing with their own losses during the Chitauri invasion. Wolverine and Cap both fought in WWII; give Cap a short throw away line about “that creepy Canadian who smelled like a wet dog”, and you INSTANTLY have the X-Men in the universe. All of that skips alternate realities or merging worlds. It’s doable. It’s easy.
And you’d get access to some of the best villains in Marvel. Nobody has a better rogues gallery than the X-Men (subjective, I know). Magneto? Apocalypse? Sinister? Onslaught? Sentinels? This may offend some, but I prefer Magneto over Doom and Green Goblin, let alone Loki who only REALLY blew up because of the movies, or guys like Red Skull who are important, but don’t really grab you.
And for whoever made the comment about fear and hate because one person is born with powers, but love for someone who gained powers through science not making any sense...think about this: racism exists due to skin color in our world. This is the exact same thing; it happens in the comics too, and it’s quite literally the focal point of the X-Men. It’s pretty apparent in this thread that a lot of people either don’t understand the X-Men, don’t have decent knowledge of their comics in a way that could tie them in, don’t like them, or just want to argue.
#GhostRiderSuckedAlmostAsBadAsFant4stic.
I really don't think it could work. The Mutant issue is portrayed as too big and news worthy in the X-men series. You can't have the likes of Iron-man, Thor and Hulk in that world without hearing a reference too it. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver should also be Mutants, but are not. The Sokovia (spelling?) Accords should have also made mention of Mutant individuals.
These discrepancies are made all the more unforgivable when you realize that so many of the events in both series happen in the same places. New York and California specifically.
Put simply, there are no Mutants in the MCU and there straight up cannot be. They can be brought into the MCU, but only through alternate dimension mumbo-jumbo via Dr Strange.
Yodhrin wrote:[But that's kind of the point. They constructed the MCU on the assumption they wouldn't have access to the X-Men and related characters for years and years, if at all, so the "persecuted minority with powers" role has already been filled by the slightly reimagined Inhumans. Cramming the X-Men in there as well doesn't add anything beyond the momentary thrill of seeing "proper" versions of those characters.
That was my point. Here's the initial argument:
Mutants don't make sense in a world like the MCU. The MCU is established as a world without mutants, and to suddenly have mutants that have been around for years doesn't make any sense. Worse, the anti-mutant prejudice doesn't make sense in the comics or the MCU.
Why would people be ok with non-mutant super heroes sporting all sorts of abilities, but this other group with similar (and sometimes identical) abilities is bad because of genetics? It's illogical.
Never in the MCU.
They are not needed for the story (the job's taken and there are enough characters) but the argument that X-Men wouldn't fit into the MCU doesn't hold because they already have Inhumans in there who have all the story essential X-Men attributes (quasi-minority, superpowers, not trusted,…) in the TV show that's attached to the MCU. So if they needed further characters like the Inhumans they could throw in mutants and nobody would notice a big difference. You could swap one for another and nothing big would change. Mutants would work in what they have build, they are just not needed.
I don't know how the discussion pivoted to SJW but have fun with that on your own.
timetowaste85 wrote: This is a terrible thing to say, and you should feel terrible.
Not even slightly.
Mutants don't make sense in a world like the MCU. The MCU is established as a world without mutants, and to suddenly have mutants that have been around for years doesn't make any sense. Worse, the anti-mutant prejudice doesn't make sense in the comics or the MCU.
Why would people be ok with non-mutant super heroes sporting all sorts of abilities, but this other group with similar (and sometimes identical) abilities is bad because of genetics? It's illogical.
Never in the MCU.
timetowaste85 wrote: As much as I enjoyed the Fox X-Men movies, I want to see what happens with Marvel behind the helm.
Marvel at the helm? I've got no issue with that. I do have an issue with them in the MCU.
Battle of New York, Latveria or whatever its called, "meta" humans (i know thats DC but same thing) running around causing havoc, the Accords, jesus there is plenty of reason to hate mutants if they show up, which is also really easy to explain, good old mutants would be mistaken for Enhanced humans, Professor X can just hide in plain sight, mutants popping up left right and centre would make for a good movie to introduce the Xmen, a special forces team tasked with helping them and covering up there existence in a world of the accords hell, captain america MET wolverine and didnt even know he was a mutant at the time.
Its easy to shoe horn into the MCU, just like spiderman was, besides, I would love to see a nerd off between beast, mr fantastic, tony start and bruce banner...... dr strange can come too.
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timetowaste85 wrote: X-Men could easily be added in. Xavier has meddled with minds before, could do it again; maybe with the introduction of Fabian Cortez to boost his powers. Or Scarlet Witch has re-written history, ala “House of M”, making herself no longer a mutant, but the universe has plans for her anyway and she gets powers through science/alien tech. Or that most things, aside from Logan and prequels (first class trilogy, origins) are all in a relatively short period of time, maybe the Avengers hadn’t come around yet, and X-Men we’re dealing with their own losses during the Chitauri invasion. Wolverine and Cap both fought in WWII; give Cap a short throw away line about “that creepy Canadian who smelled like a wet dog”, and you INSTANTLY have the X-Men in the universe. All of that skips alternate realities or merging worlds. It’s doable. It’s easy.
And you’d get access to some of the best villains in Marvel. Nobody has a better rogues gallery than the X-Men (subjective, I know). Magneto? Apocalypse? Sinister? Onslaught? Sentinels? This may offend some, but I prefer Magneto over Doom and Green Goblin, let alone Loki who only REALLY blew up because of the movies, or guys like Red Skull who are important, but don’t really grab you.
And for whoever made the comment about fear and hate because one person is born with powers, but love for someone who gained powers through science not making any sense...think about this: racism exists due to skin color in our world. This is the exact same thing; it happens in the comics too, and it’s quite literally the focal point of the X-Men. It’s pretty apparent in this thread that a lot of people either don’t understand the X-Men, don’t have decent knowledge of their comics in a way that could tie them in, don’t like them, or just want to argue.
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LordofHats wrote: You could explain their sudden appearance the same way the MCU explains everything; aliens. Just House of M the whole thing even. Scarlet Witch is in the MCU and reality manipulation is her thing.
Except, of course, MCU Scarlet Witch isn't a mutant. She's a direct result of people messing about with an Infinity Stone. She's tied into the MCU metaplot, and the mutants would just be poofed into existence with no point, history or direction.
So she's a reality warper, created by warping reality
Hilarious satyrical video, but Magneto and the Avengers have existed in the same universe for about 50 years, before the war between Disney and Fox. I’m pretty sure they’d figure it out. Magneto hasn’t killed them, and they haven’t killed him. Wolverine has an entire skeleton of metal, and Colossus turns to metal; Magneto can affect both of them and tosses them around like rag dolls. Yet they all lived fine (until Marvel killed Wolverine/Logan off, which had feth-all to do with Magneto).
I mean, Marvel has been dealing with these issues for quite literally 50+ years. You think a bunch of armchair movie critics are able to find a reason they couldn’t make the X-Men work in their own universe that they couldn’t beat? Good luck with that. If Marvel gets them back and wants them in, they’ll be in. And it’ll work.
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Lets be honest here - if you apply too much science and fact and proper real worldyness to Superheroes they all break. Asides which each time they are written they are all similar yet slightly different.
Their power levels vary immensely between variations to suit what the writer is after. There's no single "superman " or "batman" they are all variations on a theme. Heck lets not forget early Batman and Turtles used guns and killed bad-guys. Meanwhile Superman is ofte portrayed as giving up everything to save a single human life, yet also engages in fights and battles where its clear multiple casualties result from his actions.
The power of super heroes is adjusted and even their background and history to suit whatever story they are being written into. They are generalist concepts that are constantly adapted. This makes them very efficent at changing with the times and shifting to reflect new ideas or cross overs; but also does mean that, after a while, they lose their character. .
timetowaste85 wrote: You think a bunch of armchair movie critics are able to find a reason they couldn’t make the X-Men work in their own universe that they couldn’t beat? Good luck with that. If Marvel gets them back and wants them in, they’ll be in. And it’ll work.
If that's at me, I don't have a dog in this hunt. I just really liked that video.
I'd love to see Gandalf in a super-suit getting shot at by Rocket Raccoon!
I'm not even referring to how the Avengers would interact with mutants. I don't think the Fox X-men can be introduced into the MCU because they haven't been yet.
Sure you could introduce them in as being "hidden" from the world events thus far, but it wouldn't be the Fox X-men. The events of those movies (both pre and post time rewrites) have been too "news worthy". The MCU would have made mention of such things as the Cuban missile Crisis, or the televised assassination attempt of Nixon, etc.
My point is that in order to introduce Mutants into the MCU, you have to reboot the X-men. Story-wise this makes no sense and the MCU is crowded enough already. The only reason to merge the X-men and Avengers is fan service or to get Hugh Jackman and RDJ on screen together.
So while I am sure the X-men and Avengers will share screen time eventually, it will not be with any of the current actors who have made these characters come to life in this millennium unless you resort to dimension hoping shenanigans.
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timetowaste85 wrote: You think a bunch of armchair movie critics are able to find a reason they couldn’t make the X-Men work in their own universe that they couldn’t beat? Good luck with that. If Marvel gets them back and wants them in, they’ll be in. And it’ll work.
If that's at me, I don't have a dog in this hunt. I just really liked that video.
I'd love to see Gandalf in a super-suit getting shot at by Rocket Raccoon!
Nah, wasn’t at you Kronk. Just a post in general to every person saying “X-Men can’t rejoin because reasons”; video was funny enough, and the first issue of Marvel Zombies actually did a good job of showing the same thing as that video, with Magneto obliterating the zombie Avengers before succumbing to his wounds. Cap’s shield made a great weapon for him.
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