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 LordofHats wrote:

Voss wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
You could explain their sudden appearance the same way the MCU explains everything; aliens. Just House of M the whole thing even. Scarlet Witch is in the MCU and reality manipulation is her thing.

Except, of course, MCU Scarlet Witch isn't a mutant. She's a direct result of people messing about with an Infinity Stone. She's tied into the MCU metaplot, and the mutants would just be poofed into existence with no point, history or direction.

So she's a reality warper, created by warping reality

Hmm. Not necessarily. She's a mind warper, certainly, and displays a largely unknown telekinetic ability. Whether she can warp reality like the comic book version isn't really established. Nothing she's done so far even comes close to that.

As for warping reality to create her... Arguable. The hydra approached with the tesseract/scepter just seemed to be 'stick energy siphoned from it into other things'. It just happen to kill most living subjects.

Seems the deal might be back on....

But will Dingo Wucker really surrender his grip so easily? I mean, he's nearly ded, so hopefully the thought of scads of cash will mean the geriatric menace will just bow out.

I would rather the two universe remain separate to be honest for several reasons:

There are already loads of powered people running about and world threatening situations that most of them somehow never become involved with - same as in the comics - adding a whole load of mutants just makes it sillier. The storylines in Foxes X-men universe really don't work with MCU so you have to ditch them or have alt universes.

Although that does mean we are seemingly stuck with the Inhumans - which is all pretty terrible - their own show and Agents of Shield are weak at best, especially Inhumans which is really dire - the best MCU tv show IMO was Agent Carter but they killed that.

I guess you could do the Xmen as "inhumans" but that would likely cause annoyance.

The whole Mutants bad, other powered people good (or at least not bad) does get a bit odd as well.

Deadpool might turn up in MCU and I HATE him.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seems the deal might be back on....

But will Dingo Wucker really surrender his grip so easily? I mean, he's nearly ded, so hopefully the thought of scads of cash will mean the geriatric menace will just bow out.

Downunder Palpatine appears to be the driving force behind the deal even being a possibility in the first place - he and the board want to double-double-down on their ongoing efforts to ruin democracy(hyperbole, I kid, I kid, put your six shooters away Fox News fans) with their current affairs and infotainment offerings, so they're trying to shift the movie & entertainment-TV side of the business to someone else. Disney just seem to be the ones most interested in buying.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I would rather the two universe remain separate to be honest for several reasons:

There are already loads of powered people running about and world threatening situations that most of them somehow never become involved with - same as in the comics - adding a whole load of mutants just makes it sillier. The storylines in Foxes X-men universe really don't work with MCU so you have to ditch them or have alt universes.

Although that does mean we are seemingly stuck with the Inhumans - which is all pretty terrible - their own show and Agents of Shield are weak at best, especially Inhumans which is really dire - the best MCU tv show IMO was Agent Carter but they killed that.

I guess you could do the Xmen as "inhumans" but that would likely cause annoyance.

The whole Mutants bad, other powered people good (or at least not bad) does get a bit odd as well.

Deadpool might turn up in MCU and I HATE him.

Well, they do seem to be 'winding down' the MCU following the next two Avenger movies - at least that's what they're saying.

Beyond Ms Marvel, there's nothing really new been added to the slate for yonks, which seems unusual.

Perhaps turning to FF4 and X-Men would be the next logical step? Not necessarily as part of the existing MCU, but running alongside it?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I would rather the two universe remain separate to be honest for several reasons:

There are already loads of powered people running about and world threatening situations that most of them somehow never become involved with - same as in the comics - adding a whole load of mutants just makes it sillier. The storylines in Foxes X-men universe really don't work with MCU so you have to ditch them or have alt universes.

Although that does mean we are seemingly stuck with the Inhumans - which is all pretty terrible - their own show and Agents of Shield are weak at best, especially Inhumans which is really dire - the best MCU tv show IMO was Agent Carter but they killed that.

I guess you could do the Xmen as "inhumans" but that would likely cause annoyance.

The whole Mutants bad, other powered people good (or at least not bad) does get a bit odd as well.

Deadpool might turn up in MCU and I HATE him.

Well, they do seem to be 'winding down' the MCU following the next two Avenger movies - at least that's what they're saying.

Beyond Ms Marvel, there's nothing really new been added to the slate for yonks, which seems unusual.

Perhaps turning to FF4 and X-Men would be the next logical step? Not necessarily as part of the existing MCU, but running alongside it?

Or even "Hey, crazy technobabble fallout from Infinity Wars has miraculously transformed some scientist and his family into superheroes, and people have started developing superpowers with puberty". Giving them a couple franchises to work into a post-IW MCU.

Well, if Disney do get access to FF4 we may finally get a decent shot at making Doom a credible threat. I could see him being put forward as the next "big bad" of the franchise after Thanos.

https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/avengers-vs-x-men-assemble-looks-be-announced-next-week

... hmmm.....

 Mr Morden wrote:
I would rather the two universe remain separate to be honest for several reasons:

There are already loads of powered people running about and world threatening situations that most of them somehow never become involved with - same as in the comics - adding a whole load of mutants just makes it sillier. The storylines in Foxes X-men universe really don't work with MCU so you have to ditch them or have alt universes.

Although that does mean we are seemingly stuck with the Inhumans - which is all pretty terrible - their own show and Agents of Shield are weak at best, especially Inhumans which is really dire - the best MCU tv show IMO was Agent Carter but they killed that.

I guess you could do the Xmen as "inhumans" but that would likely cause annoyance.

The whole Mutants bad, other powered people good (or at least not bad) does get a bit odd as well.

Deadpool might turn up in MCU and I HATE him.

I am fine with ditching the Fox X-Men universe. It is pretty much complete trash. Wolverine had a couple good movies. But the actual X-Men movies are hot garbage. Same goes for the dumpster fire that was the F4 Movies.

Deadpool in MCU would have been great considering he has a lot of history with Thanos and could have been his downfall.

Have to agree with you there.

The X-men have had...maybe 5 good movies out of...9?

Deadpool was excellent.

The first 2 FF movies were at best mediocre, and the last one was awful.

So...yeah, bring on the new Marvel Overlords, the same as the current Marvel Overlords!

Honestly it's kind of the same situation as Star Wars for me. I'd rate the X-Men films as 1/3 good movies, 1/3 mediocre movies, and 1/3 bad movies and the good movies aren't that good. Kind of close to bottom of the barrel really. Can't get much worse.

I've liked all the X-men stuff to some extent (if you pretend Deadpool doesn't exist as part of it, which I do). In fact, to quite a large extent, there's not one I wouldn't happily watch.

That said, I'd be fine with it going back to Marvel, just to stop them scraping the bottom of the license barrel (New Mutants and Gambit? Couldn't care less), though in a perfect world they manage to release Dark Phoenix next year as that's already in production, I believe, and I really like the current cast and want to see that lineup as 'proper' X-men.

The downside of the MCU getting them is that you'd have to start from fairly early on just so you don't retcon them into existence. It's the same problem Spidey had with Homecoming, because they felt the need to go with a really young Peter we get a version that's unfamiliar with his powers, inexperienced and almost incompetent, and with both him and the X-men, that ground has already been covered very recently and to me at least is the least interesting version you can do.

I appreciate you can't throw a 30-year-old Spidey or Beast or Cyclops into the MCU and explain that they've been superheroing since their teens just slightly off-screen, but I'd rather not see the same old tropes of 'kid gets powers he doesn't understand and takes a film to learn them' done again quite so soon. It's not a generic Origin Story, but it's the next worst thing.

Well, the upside is, if Marvel does get them, that doesn't mean the MCU has to get them. The X Verse can and should stand on its own flippers and/or feet analogues.

Nor do they need to do a 'kids with powers' story. There are a bunch of approaches to take- personally I'd start an X-men film with the tail end of a mission, drop enough beats to give a general summary (have a tv talking head decrying their actions and mutants in general, for example), then move on to a story worth telling.

At this point the origin story isn't needed, it's been done enough times, and people can bloody well google it if they can't understand 'superhero team.' The movies need to focus on interesting characters, a sane plot and compelling opposition. Name drop Xavier and have Storm lead the team against the Hellfire Club's scheme to steal Shadowcat and Doug Ramsey in an attempt to brainwash them or break in to some major computer system. Climax with a good team on team brawl, major property damage and everyone (or almost everyone) escaping in the confusion after Shadowcat and Doug convince Firestorm to turn. The broad outlines are really easy, there is plenty of material to shuffle around and update, without overwhelming people with absolutely nonsense like the fox versions.

Looks like it's happening.

It is done.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42353545

Probably won't know the full details on what Disney got for a while, but it will be interesting to know where the Fantastic 4 end up.

Indeed. Though I’d be very surprised if they didn’t get FF4 and X-Men.

I also wonder what this mean for that tv series.

In theory, since they actually bought the 20th Century Fox studio, there's nothing to stop Disney just letting them keep operating as they were for the time being. I imagine anything currently in production will be wrapped up and released before they consider rebooting (either into the MCU or just a new universe) , so stuff like Dark Phoenix, New Mutants, The Gifted ect will probably all be finished rather than cancelled.

Fingers crossed on the Fantastic Four and ALL of their associated characters...

(Constantin Film distribution rights as a possible snag)

Not ONLY because we'd get a lot of cool villains and hopefully a good FF on screen, but also possibly Marvel would make a FF comic series again!

EDIT!

This official Disney Press Release certainly makes it seem like the Fantastic Four are back!!!

https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/walt-disney-company-acquire-twenty-first-century-fox-inc-spinoff-certain-businesses-52-4-billion-stock/

I'm excited to have most of these properties under one roof. Additionally with the stake in Hulu it might mean that's where their content goes when they leave Netflix instead of creating their own streaming service. Though at least if they do that now there might be stuff worth watching.

Bloody hope not. Can’t get Hulu in the UK.

Now when do we finally get to remake Aliens with Jedis instead of those sissy colonial marines?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bloody hope not. Can’t get Hulu in the UK.

Fox runs a different distribution in Europe which Disney also acquired apparently based on the article above. But since they are already pulling out of netflix if you get FOX programs a different way then you hope they do the same thing I do which is expand the new properties already in place instead of creating another subscription service.

 Alpharius wrote:
Fingers crossed on the Fantastic Four and ALL of their associated characters...

(Constantin Film distribution rights as a possible snag)

Not ONLY because we'd get a lot of cool villains and hopefully a good FF on screen, but also possibly Marvel would make a FF comic series again!

EDIT!

This official Disney Press Release certainly makes it seem like the Fantastic Four are back!!!

https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/walt-disney-company-acquire-twenty-first-century-fox-inc-spinoff-certain-businesses-52-4-billion-stock/

Constantin shouldn't be a problem. They have the right to make FF films, but the 21stC Fox has exclusive rights to distribute the films they make IIRC, so if Constantin get pissy about Marvel Studios taking creative control of FF going forward(if they do), Disney can simply say fine then, make as many FF films as you like and we will never, ever distribute them so you'll just be pissing their budget away. Since Disney can probably hold out in any financial standoff a wee bit longer than Constantin, the latter will almost certainly just play ball.

Yodhrin wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Fingers crossed on the Fantastic Four and ALL of their associated characters...

(Constantin Film distribution rights as a possible snag)

Not ONLY because we'd get a lot of cool villains and hopefully a good FF on screen, but also possibly Marvel would make a FF comic series again!

EDIT!

This official Disney Press Release certainly makes it seem like the Fantastic Four are back!!!

https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/walt-disney-company-acquire-twenty-first-century-fox-inc-spinoff-certain-businesses-52-4-billion-stock/

Constantin shouldn't be a problem. They have the right to make FF films, but the 21stC Fox has exclusive rights to distribute the films they make IIRC, so if Constantin get pissy about Marvel Studios taking creative control of FF going forward(if they do), Disney can simply say fine then, make as many FF films as you like and we will never, ever distribute them so you'll just be pissing their budget away. Since Disney can probably hold out in any financial standoff a wee bit longer than Constantin, the latter will almost certainly just play ball.

Well yes, there's that, but then I think there's also this:

Alpharius wrote:
This official Disney Press Release certainly makes it seem like the Fantastic Four are back!!!

https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/walt-disney-company-acquire-twenty-first-century-fox-inc-spinoff-certain-businesses-52-4-billion-stock/

So apparently Disney is already all set!

Remember that Constantin did make an F4 movie just to keep the rights, so it's not outside of the realm of possibility.

Does no one worry that House of Mouse will have a monopoly on entertainment at the rate they are gobbling up other companies? That would not be a good thing, believe me.

Also, just like what I suspect happened with Lucasfilm, I have to wonder if Fox Studios was facing a hostile takeover situation and the execs chose to sell (and most likely accept a gag order as part of the deal so no one would think ill of Disney) rather than simply be taken over.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Does no one worry that House of Mouse will have a monopoly on entertainment at the rate they are gobbling up other companies? That would not be a good thing, believe me.

Not really. For film, we've had an extra past the 'Big Five' for quite a while now.
There is still quite a lot of competition, plus any number of outfits outside the big five- I'm not particularly concerned.
They'll get part control of Hulu, which is already split between Comcast and Time Warner, so mostly just a change in name tag, now power or control there. Plus, Disney is already plowing money into setting up its own streaming services, so this is actually likely to increase competition in this area

Also, just like what I suspect happened with Lucasfilm, I have to wonder if Fox Studios was facing a hostile takeover situation and the execs chose to sell (and most likely accept a gag order as part of the deal so no one would think ill of Disney) rather than simply be taken over.

It seems unlikely, given the benefits the parent Fox company gets out it (they get a huge mass of Disney stock (~25%), so they profit if Disney does), and it looks like the second Murdoch son gets to continue to play around as a major player under the Mouse management.
Though honestly, I don't think this happened with Lucasfilm either- George, I think, wanted to cash out. He expected to heralded as a messiah for his 'reworked' films, and for bringing the prequel trilogy forth like some kind of returned Prometheus. But he really lost track of how to make films, and didn't like the backlash.

From an entertainment perspective, it gets a successful company (Disney's Marvel) the rights to the properties Fox screwed up beyond belief. (X-men, FF), and gives them control over the old star wars films, which they actually didn't have. (Since they were Fox productions)

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Does no one worry that House of Mouse will have a monopoly on entertainment at the rate they are gobbling up other companies? That would not be a good thing, believe me.

Also, just like what I suspect happened with Lucasfilm, I have to wonder if Fox Studios was facing a hostile takeover situation and the execs chose to sell (and most likely accept a gag order as part of the deal so no one would think ill of Disney) rather than simply be taken over.

I asked the same question earlier in thread. If I learn d anything today though it’s that monopolies always win!

Resistance is futile!

Also Fox and Disney both owned a third stake in Hulu. With this acquisition Disney is now majority shareholder so there might be more effect than just a name change.

Oh my....Deadpool, potentially part of the MCU.

Yes sir, I'll buy that for a dollar!


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So that's something at least.