Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

IMO the tyranids are fine but I don't like the look of the poxwalkers or the nurgle daemon prince. The poxwalkers I don't like because they're just too busy and have too many tiny pieces that get damaged in the box or cleaning the model. The nurgle daemon prince just looks terrible to me though. Not a fan of the aesthetic for that model. In general I think almost all the new models are too busy or have terrible poses. Especially when it comes to transporting them.

I wasn't referring to the fact they have tiny pieces that get damaged Ironbrand. I was referring to the fact some of them really need to come with a 15 certificate.

not really no, the guts etc are pretty cartoony truth be told. and 40k is constantly rated "ages 12 and up" any kid who can assmble the bloody models in the first place isn't going to have trouble with the death guard.

 Corennus wrote:
I wasn't referring to the fact they have tiny pieces that get damaged Ironbrand. I was referring to the fact some of them really need to come with a 15 certificate.

I was just saying that was why I didn't like the poxwalkers. The designs of the models are mostly fine and don't need any sort of age restriction because they're not realistic enough. Even the naked cat girl model from the chaos familiars is basically fine. Though different people will have different ideas on what is fine. Like how in China you're not allowed to show skeletons or I think it's Korea where you can't show the soles of people's feet.

Tyranids I don't have a problem with at all, I think the range generally is fantastic.

The problem I have with Death Guard is that a lot of their design is very specific deformities or wounds. I think they look GOOD, don't get me wrong. The problem is needing to field multiples of the same sculpt. For most armies this isn't an issue. One space marine looks much like the next, Tyranids are bred a specific way, and so on. But when you've got a guy who's guts are spilling out a particular way, or has a particular pus filled growth on its head, I really don't like having another guy near him with the EXACT same thing going on. For these guys a head swap doesn't really cut it.

That's a prime reason I would never collect DG, this kind of thing bothers me too much! I appreciate that executing the aesthetic in any other way would be extremely difficult, so I don't necessarily begrudge the choice at all. It just isn't for me.

Ok so it's just me. that's fine.

Agree, DG don't look any more disgusting than your average cartoon horror monster.

Undead monsters with entrails hanging out have been getting ages 12 and up ratings for a long time.

 Stux wrote:
Tyranids I don't have a problem with at all, I think the range generally is fantastic.

The problem I have with Death Guard is that a lot of their design is very specific deformities or wounds. I think they look GOOD, don't get me wrong. The problem is needing to field multiples of the same sculpt. For most armies this isn't an issue. One space marine looks much like the next, Tyranids are bred a specific way, and so on. But when you've got a guy who's guts are spilling out a particular way, or has a particular pus filled growth on its head, I really don't like having another guy near him with the EXACT same thing going on. For these guys a head swap doesn't really cut it.

That's a prime reason I would never collect DG, this kind of thing bothers me too much! I appreciate that executing the aesthetic in any other way would be extremely difficult, so I don't necessarily begrudge the choice at all. It just isn't for me.

Green stuff might be able to help fix that... I don't think there's any good answer beyond that for nurgle in general sadly :(

 Stux wrote:
That's a prime reason I would never collect DG, this kind of thing bothers me too much! I appreciate that executing the aesthetic in any other way would be extremely difficult, so I don't necessarily begrudge the choice at all. It just isn't for me.

Currently there are 22 distinct plague marines (before conversions), that's sufficient for most armies

Eh the early days were just as bad. Epic 40K had a Nurgle tower that basically had skin faces grafted over the front, tyranids haven't really changed much in terms of disgusting save that their weapons are more fused to their bodies than they once were (early Tyranids were clearly holding weapons, current ones are very clearly fused to a lot of them or parts of their weapons).


Also painting style and the fact that they are models also tends to make it far less horrific than ones imagination can create. Nurgle models and their presentation is a million miles from something like The Thing that would cause nightmares (And even most of The Thing creatures and mutations wouldn't be that scary in model form - heck Warmachine has Incubus which are eyeless monsters exploding out of people).

Tyranids are not at all... wtf? They are just as bugs/insects are.

And being a Chaotic god that is based on Plague, Pestilence, Disease, Decay, etc... OFC it should be gross, it wouldnt be the point of it lol.

You are for sure other thinking it.

Also Space Wolves are wearing furs which might indicate animal cruelty.

Lets not go overboard. If you think your kid shouldnt watch or play with something simply dont buy it.

Oh won't someone think of the children!!!!

That thinking has lead to the millennial generation being overly sensitive and unable to function in the real world.

Kids don't need wrapping in bubble wrap they need to have the freedom to discover their own limits.

If kids don't like nurgle models they won't buy them, this is a total non issue.

Although I am a big fan of resilient troops I am so apposed to the cancer propagating troops of nurgle that unless a tourney I will not play against in casual play (why do I want to look at spew and boogers? in my free time?). If has an army of snot and spew I say, "ye mate I don't want to throw up find some one else"

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Although I am a big fan of resilient troops I am so apposed to the cancer propagating troops of nurgle that unless a tourney I will not play against in casual play (why do I want to look at spew and boogers? in my free time?). If has an army of snot and spew I say, "ye mate I don't want to throw up find some one else"

Oh this one goes on my "reasons dakkadakka members decline games" list. "Your army reminds me of spew and boogers" isn't on there yet

Glumy wrote:
Also Space Wolves are wearing furs which might indicate animal cruelty.

Lets not go overboard. If you think your kid shouldnt watch or play with something simply dont buy it.

Oh let's not go there again. PETA already did that to GW.

hobojebus wrote:
Oh won't someone think of the children!!!!

That thinking has lead to the millennial generation being overly sensitive and unable to function in the real world.

Kids don't need wrapping in bubble wrap they need to have the freedom to discover their own limits.

If kids don't like nurgle models they won't buy them, this is a total non issue.

I dont think it is about the children at all, it is one thing to have a specific esthetic in a model range, and another thing to have plain ugly models. What is worse IMO GW is doing all that "detailed esthetic" stuff to cover for the fact that their sculptors are just plain bad. I was looking in to AoS models and spend some time watching their old and new models, and it looks like with time the quality of their models degressed more often then not. Plus they don't seem to sculpt female faces as if they were chavs after an all night euro tour.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Glumy wrote:
Also Space Wolves are wearing furs which might indicate animal cruelty.

Lets not go overboard. If you think your kid shouldnt watch or play with something simply dont buy it.

Oh let's not go there again. PETA already did that to GW.

I believe they were just referencing the PETA BS and not being serious.

hobojebus wrote:
Oh won't someone think of the children!!!!

That thinking has lead to the millennial generation being overly sensitive and unable to function in the real world.

Dude, your profile lists you as 38. You're only 2-3 years out from the eldest of Millenials. Millenials aren't kids- the generation runs from approx 1982 to 1996.

 IronBrand wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

Glumy wrote:
Also Space Wolves are wearing furs which might indicate animal cruelty.

Lets not go overboard. If you think your kid shouldnt watch or play with something simply dont buy it.

Oh let's not go there again. PETA already did that to GW.

I believe they were just referencing the PETA BS and not being serious.

Well being polish myself, you never know. Half the nation is hell bend on destroying our booming fur industry right now, and like 9/10 people hate hunting, and what is more interesting it has less to do with animals being shot, and with who historicaly was allowed to own weapons and got hunter permits.

 Grimtuff wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Oh won't someone think of the children!!!!

That thinking has lead to the millennial generation being overly sensitive and unable to function in the real world.

Dude, your profile lists you as 38. You're only 2-3 years out from the eldest of Millenials. Millenials aren't kids- the generation runs from approx 1982 to 1996.

You learn something new every day. I didn't know I'm a Millenial

33 by the way, my daughter stole one of my plague-burst crawlers because she thought my "buldozer" was more awesome than hers.

If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

They haven’t gone far enough. Warhammer as a setting is the darkest horror beyond imagining.

If anything Death guard are overly cartoony with all those nurglings covering everything. They look much better when you cut those off and don’t use some of the really bad mutations they come with. Chaos can look good, but you have to weed through all those terrible extra bits that they come with that make them look stupid.

The plastic daemon prince, new daemonettes, new horror models all have the same problem. They look way too cartoony to be scary in any capacity.

Tyrannids for the most part I think look really good as a range and look suitably ferocious.

I want some exclusivity from my hobby. I don’t want them to market warhammer to everyone like they did with Star Wars. To do so betrays the very nature of the setting. It’s brutal, bloody and horrific, I don’t want some child friendly bull gak bringing in a flood of Timmy’s. they’ve already done enough in recent years to try to make the game more accessible to new players, but enough is enough.

 vaklor4 wrote:
If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

Bitch please, look what's going on on this Beastman's helmet... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) (Somewhat nsfw btw)

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
They haven’t gone far enough. Warhammer as a setting is the darkest horror beyond imagining.

If anything Death guard are overly cartoony with all those nurglings covering everything. They look much better when you cut those off and don’t use some of the really bad mutations they come with. Chaos can look good, but you have to weed through all those terrible extra bits that they come with that make them look stupid.

The plastic daemon prince, new daemonettes, new horror models all have the same problem. They look way too cartoony to be scary in any capacity.

Tyrannids for the most part I think look really good as a range and look suitably ferocious.

I want some exclusivity from my hobby. I don’t want them to market warhammer to everyone like they did with Star Wars. To do so betrays the very nature of the setting. It’s brutal, bloody and horrific, I don’t want some child friendly bull gak bringing in a flood of Timmy’s. they’ve already done enough in recent years to try to make the game more accessible to new players, but enough is enough.

To be fair from what I've seen the models have for the most part never been particularly brutal. It's mostly just been the lore that has been.


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 Grimtuff wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

Bitch please, look what's going on on this Beastman's helmet... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) (Somewhat nsfw btw)

Spoiler:

If you think that's bad check out the chaos familiar models that they still sell on their website.

 vaklor4 wrote:
If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

I actually have a rather large Slaneesh army cause though are provocative don't look like snot and boogers (the humanity).

 vaklor4 wrote:
If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

Bloodwrack Medusa still shows one of hers!
And the Fiend of Slaanesh has rows of them!

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

I actually have a rather large Slaneesh army cause though are provocative don't look like snot and boogers (the humanity).

I fail to see how any Death Guard models look like snot and boogers unless they were specifically painted to look that way. Care to link a model?

Gunna say Idk the appeal of snot, booger, mutation and degradation to the audience.... just turns me off... maybe you nurgle players have some weird fetish but ewwww

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Gunna say Idk the appeal of snot, booger, mutation and degradation to the audience.... just turns me off... maybe you nurgle players have some weird fetish but ewwww

Please provide a link to the model you are referring too.

Or are you just trolling?

 Jidmah wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Gunna say Idk the appeal of snot, booger, mutation and degradation to the audience.... just turns me off... maybe you nurgle players have some weird fetish but ewwww

Please provide a link to the model you are referring too.

Or are you just trolling?

Umm sorry if look at any Nurgle army ever, is diseases, pestilence (which is usually green and disgusting and entails a lot of boogers etc). Maybe you are thinking of a different army?

Ah, I see, you are trolling.

 Jidmah wrote:
Ah, I see, you are trolling.

So Nurgle is not disgustingly resilient they don't infect people with plagues etc? Umm I don't see the trolling saying a spade is a spade

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

I actually have a rather large Slaneesh army cause though are provocative don't look like snot and boogers (the humanity).

Ah, the old Kruellagh the Vile mini is right up your alley then. Major cameltoe going on down there...

 Grimtuff wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

I actually have a rather large Slaneesh army cause though are provocative don't look like snot and boogers (the humanity).

Ah, the old Kruellagh the Vile mini is right up your alley then. Major cameltoe going on down there...

Well that is crude and derogative... If you see that it is what it is (why are you arguing against what Nurgle is ...snot, boogers, disease and pestilence? Is what the are?)

The bad clean paintjobs GW gives their great Nurgle models annoy me more. Seriousely, they make gruesome models and artworks and then they paint their minis ridiculously bland, no blood, purple tentacles, no use of any of their own technical paints like Nurgles rot.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Glumy wrote:
Also Space Wolves are wearing furs which might indicate animal cruelty.

Lets not go overboard. If you think your kid shouldnt watch or play with something simply dont buy it.

Oh let's not go there again. PETA already did that to GW.

It inspired me to create a space wolf army

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

I actually have a rather large Slaneesh army cause though are provocative don't look like snot and boogers (the humanity).

Ah, the old Kruellagh the Vile mini is right up your alley then. Major cameltoe going on down there...

Well that is crude and derogative... If you see that it is what it is(why are you argueing aginst what nurgle is ...snot, boogers, disease and pestilence?)

Because it's clearly not the former two? Just like Slaanesh isn't all about sex and boobies.

GW's studio representation of Nurgle is awful. The pastel colours look gak and they're far too diluted in theme. Brutus Apex is correct, GW don't go far enough. Nurgle is the cycle of life, Nurgle is determiniation, Nurgle is despair- these are all themes that are represented in various minis. Those bodies are rotting as Nurgle is entropy- this is why he is the antithesis of Tzeentch. You are dying from diesease and Nurgle stops the rot, but at what cost.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
The bad clean paintjobs GW gives their great Nurgle models annoy me more. Seriousely, they make gruesome models and artworks and then they paint their minis ridiculously bland, no blood, purple tentacles, no use of any of their own technical paints like Nurgles rot.

I think part of that is GW advertising at a level of skill that isn't master-level. It's very clean and very neat and yes you can do a LOT better, but at the same time their style appeals to many getting started with their own painting. Honestly a lot of model lines achieve this roughly similar level of detail and skill - the one that stands out against that would be Dropzone games which have a very high standard on very small and high detail models.

All I can say is instead of complaining, just don't play? The setting has always been "rated mature" from the very first days. Real Life is rated mature. Things that happen in 40k happen in real life too, albeit at a lesser scale.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Stux wrote:
That's a prime reason I would never collect DG, this kind of thing bothers me too much! I appreciate that executing the aesthetic in any other way would be extremely difficult, so I don't necessarily begrudge the choice at all. It just isn't for me.

Currently there are 22 distinct plague marines (before conversions), that's sufficient for most armies

I take your point, but it's still an issue for me. It's not just about each model in my army being unique if I'm honest, it's also how I know it's the same 22 guys across all armies out there. Stops it feeling like it's my dudes.

I know that might seem silly to some people though!

 Grimtuff wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

I actually have a rather large Slaneesh army cause though are provocative don't look like snot and boogers (the humanity).

Ah, the old Kruellagh the Vile mini is right up your alley then. Major cameltoe going on down there...

Well that is crude and derogative... If you see that it is what it is(why are you argueing aginst what nurgle is ...snot, boogers, disease and pestilence?)

Because it's clearly not the former two? Just like Slaanesh isn't all about sex and boobies.

GW's studio representation of Nurgle is awful. The pastel colours look gak and they're far too diluted in theme. Brutus Apex is correct, GW don't go far enough. Nurgle is the cycle of life, Nurgle is determiniation, Nurgle is despair- these are all themes that are represented in various minis. Those bodies are rotting as Nurgle is entropy- this is why he is the antithesis of Tzeentch. You are dying from diesease and Nurgle stops the rot, but at what cost.

Exactally as i said nurgle are... rotting to a new life, putrescent disintegration to what is beyond... boogers coming out of noses and slim out of your mouths until reborn...change through precedent degradation. GW and 90% of people paint the change (and the models are booger friendly (saying booger as many times as can ) If want what go after good luck. However, 99% of Nurgle models are boogers, slim, disease and pestilence... ewwwww not matter what way you turn it.

 Stux wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Stux wrote:
That's a prime reason I would never collect DG, this kind of thing bothers me too much! I appreciate that executing the aesthetic in any other way would be extremely difficult, so I don't necessarily begrudge the choice at all. It just isn't for me.

Currently there are 22 distinct plague marines (before conversions), that's sufficient for most armies

I take your point, but it's still an issue for me. It's not just about each model in my army being unique if I'm honest, it's also how I know it's the same 22 guys across all armies out there. Stops it feeling like it's my dudes.

I know that might seem silly to some people though!

No, I perfectly understand your point, while I don't share your opinion.

You are collecting models and when you are playing, you are using models from your collection.

I built my Death Guard army because I thought the rules were fun to play, and I am only painting it so the army looks better on the battlefield. Having identical models doesn't bother me beyond some marine standing next to his clone - but that can be mitigated by just swapping heads, giving them slightly different paint jobs, etc.

There are multiple ways to have fun with WH40k

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Exactally as i said nurgle are... rotting to a new life, putrescent disintegration to what is beyond... boogers coming out of noses and slim out of your mouths until reborn...change through precedent degradation. GW and 90% of people paint the change (and the models are booger friendly (saying booger as many times as can ) If want what go after good luck. However, 99% of Nurgle models are boogers, slim, disease and pestilence... ewwwww not matter what way you turn it.

IDK why you're so fixated on boogers. Nurgle minis are painted much more often covered in pus and boils which most would agree are much worse than boogers. There's also the occasional model with some vomit, only a single nurgling comes to mind with it actually modeled off the top of my head. But there are some units that use projectile vomit as a shooting weapon. But no, boogers are what you're fixated on for Nurgle being gross LOL.

 Jidmah wrote:
No, I perfectly understand your point, while I don't share your opinion.

You are collecting models and when you are playing, you are using models from your collection.

I built my Death Guard army because I thought the rules were fun to play, and I am only painting it so the army looks better on the battlefield. Having identical models doesn't bother me beyond some marine standing next to his clone - but that can be mitigated by just swapping heads, giving them slightly different paint jobs, etc.

There are multiple ways to have fun with WH40k

Now that I can relate with... I hate the Death guard aesthetic but love the rules of resilient troops...(I do make armies to theme/fluff but If i didn't... )


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 IronBrand wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Exactally as i said nurgle are... rotting to a new life, putrescent disintegration to what is beyond... boogers coming out of noses and slim out of your mouths until reborn...change through precedent degradation. GW and 90% of people paint the change (and the models are booger friendly (saying booger as many times as can ) If want what go after good luck. However, 99% of Nurgle models are boogers, slim, disease and pestilence... ewwwww not matter what way you turn it.

IDK why you're so fixated on boogers. Nurgle minis are painted much more often covered in pus and boils which most would agree are much worse than boogers. There's also the occasional model with some vomit, only a single nurgling comes to mind with it actually modeled off the top of my head. But there are some units that use projectile vomit as a shooting weapon. But no, boogers are what you're fixated on for Nurgle being gross LOL.

Because I hate boogers, I also hate seeing people who pick their nose. Hence the focus.

Picking one's nose builds up your immunity.

You're fighting Nurgle one step at a time by digging for nose gold.

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
No, I perfectly understand your point, while I don't share your opinion.

You are collecting models and when you are playing, you are using models from your collection.

I built my Death Guard army because I thought the rules were fun to play, and I am only painting it so the army looks better on the battlefield. Having identical models doesn't bother me beyond some marine standing next to his clone - but that can be mitigated by just swapping heads, giving them slightly different paint jobs, etc.

There are multiple ways to have fun with WH40k

Now that I can relate with... I hate the Death guard aesthetic but love the rules of resilient troops...(I do make armies to theme/fluff but If i didn't... )


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 IronBrand wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Exactally as i said nurgle are... rotting to a new life, putrescent disintegration to what is beyond... boogers coming out of noses and slim out of your mouths until reborn...change through precedent degradation. GW and 90% of people paint the change (and the models are booger friendly (saying booger as many times as can ) If want what go after good luck. However, 99% of Nurgle models are boogers, slim, disease and pestilence... ewwwww not matter what way you turn it.

IDK why you're so fixated on boogers. Nurgle minis are painted much more often covered in pus and boils which most would agree are much worse than boogers. There's also the occasional model with some vomit, only a single nurgling comes to mind with it actually modeled off the top of my head. But there are some units that use projectile vomit as a shooting weapon. But no, boogers are what you're fixated on for Nurgle being gross LOL.

Because I hate boogers, I also hate seeing people who pick their nose. Hence the focus.

Isnt that the point? to be grossed out? I guess Nurgle is perfect then!

PS.. i think you have a problem hating a natural body mechanic so much....

 Amishprn86 wrote:


Isnt that the point? to be grossed out? I guess Nurgle is perfect then!

Yup-
"To those outside, we are terror. To those within, we are the persistent."

"We were the Unbroken. He (Mortarion) never let us clean the filth from our armour. Over time, we stopped wanting to."

Two great quotes from Typhus to sum up Nurgle in a nutshell.

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
No, I perfectly understand your point, while I don't share your opinion.

You are collecting models and when you are playing, you are using models from your collection.

I built my Death Guard army because I thought the rules were fun to play, and I am only painting it so the army looks better on the battlefield. Having identical models doesn't bother me beyond some marine standing next to his clone - but that can be mitigated by just swapping heads, giving them slightly different paint jobs, etc.

There are multiple ways to have fun with WH40k

Now that I can relate with... I hate the Death guard aesthetic but love the rules of resilient troops...(I do make armies to theme/fluff but If i didn't... )

That's why I was asking what Death Guard models disgust you so much. I can relate to nurgle daemons and pox walkers being disgusting, but actual marines and daemon engines?

Mine are painted like these:


Very few of the DG models even remotely resemble anything similar to boogers.

 Jidmah wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
No, I perfectly understand your point, while I don't share your opinion.

You are collecting models and when you are playing, you are using models from your collection.

I built my Death Guard army because I thought the rules were fun to play, and I am only painting it so the army looks better on the battlefield. Having identical models doesn't bother me beyond some marine standing next to his clone - but that can be mitigated by just swapping heads, giving them slightly different paint jobs, etc.

There are multiple ways to have fun with WH40k

Now that I can relate with... I hate the Death guard aesthetic but love the rules of resilient troops...(I do make armies to theme/fluff but If i didn't... )

That's why I was asking what Death Guard models disgust you so much. I can relate to nurgle daemons and pox walkers being disgusting, but actual marines and daemon engines?

Mine are painted like these:

Spoiler:

Very few of the DG models even remotely resemble anything similar to boogers.

Mine go in the complete opposite direction. In the interest of tooting one's own horn- https://dj1066.imgur.com/.

I think he might go catatonic looking at them.

Spectral Ceramite…. if you're a resilient troops guy buy don't appreciate the death guard aesthetic.... perhaps you could get those clean cut 30k armour marks and make 30k death guard... grenade launchers for blight launchers, scythes and maces for flails... plasma is still plasma.... then use the 40k ruleset and deathguard codex? Just say they've emerged from the warp; clad in their old white/green battleplate and immediately returned to their (now ascended) primarch's side...

 GamerGuy wrote:
Spectral Ceramite…. if you're a resilient troops guy buy don't appreciate the death guard aesthetic.... perhaps you could get those clean cut 30k armour marks and make 30k death guard... grenade launchers for blight launchers, scythes and maces for flails... plasma is still plasma.... then use the 40k ruleset and deathguard codex? Just say they've emerged from the warp; clad in their old white/green battleplate and immediately returned to their (now ascended) primarch's side...

I honestly would do that but the budget prevails (I love the death guard theme/ perspective, but hate the degradation (hence my demonisation of boogers and disease) and hate the cost to my wallet.


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 GamerGuy wrote:
Spectral Ceramite…. if you're a resilient troops guy buy don't appreciate the death guard aesthetic.... perhaps you could get those clean cut 30k armour marks and make 30k death guard... grenade launchers for blight launchers, scythes and maces for flails... plasma is still plasma.... then use the 40k ruleset and deathguard codex? Just say they've emerged from the warp; clad in their old white/green battleplate and immediately returned to their (now ascended) primarch's side...

I honestly would do that but the budget prevails (I love the death guard theme/ perspective, but hate the degradation (hence my demonetisation of boogers and disease) and hate the cost to my wallet.

Theme/perspective on change not what they are portrayed to be (hence my degradation/focus on boogers )

hobojebus wrote:
Oh won't someone think of the children!!!!

That thinking has lead to the millennial generation being overly sensitive and unable to function in the real world.

Kids don't need wrapping in bubble wrap they need to have the freedom to discover their own limits.

Oh yes, because at no other time have adults tried to do stupid things to protect the youth until recently. Just ask the DC and Marvel (the comics code) or TSR (the satanic panic). Guess that teacher's aid that wasted one of my lunch periods back in the 80s to tell me about how she feared for my soul because DnD was of the devil must have been an illusion crafted by old scratch himself so I could eye roll my way down the path of damnation.

As for Nurgle being too much, I personally see them as what a Scoby-doo villian is to horror. Then again, I wasn't affected by doing n image search on Crocodil use (NSFW and not good if you have a weak stomach as there is real rotted flesh and exposed bone).

 Grimtuff wrote:
Mine go in the complete opposite direction. In the interest of tooting one's own horn- https://dj1066.imgur.com/.

Your army looks phenomenal.

You do a hell of a lot more justice to Nurgle than the GW paint team.

I does kinda annoy me that GW can focus on super disgusting decayed models and/or hyper violent themes, but heaven forbid they put out attractive half (or all) naked female figures.
Don't get me wrong, I like the plastic Daemonettes ok, but I wish some of them looked more like the old Diaz metal ones. Daemonettes are supposed to be alluring right up until it's too late, but the models seem to all represent that "Bilbo/Gollum" moment of their transformation.

I will never understand why violence is more ok to portray than sexuality. Especially in a miniature game that emphasizes aesthetics.
I don't know about any of you, but I'd rather look at (and spend time painting) an attractive female figure over some gross half-rotten corpse or bloody rage monster.

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Some models are somewhat graphic in nature but considering the lore, it is appropriate.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Stux wrote:
That's a prime reason I would never collect DG, this kind of thing bothers me too much! I appreciate that executing the aesthetic in any other way would be extremely difficult, so I don't necessarily begrudge the choice at all. It just isn't for me.

Currently there are 22 distinct plague marines (before conversions), that's sufficient for most armies

I take your point, but it's still an issue for me. It's not just about each model in my army being unique if I'm honest, it's also how I know it's the same 22 guys across all armies out there. Stops it feeling like it's my dudes.

I know that might seem silly to some people though!

No, I perfectly understand your point, while I don't share your opinion.

You are collecting models and when you are playing, you are using models from your collection.

I built my Death Guard army because I thought the rules were fun to play, and I am only painting it so the army looks better on the battlefield. Having identical models doesn't bother me beyond some marine standing next to his clone - but that can be mitigated by just swapping heads, giving them slightly different paint jobs, etc.

There are multiple ways to have fun with WH40k

To be honest with Plague Marines it is not a problem. The problem comes with terminators. With how charactefull they are, when you have 2-3 Fly-nators with each other, it looks weird. Unless you have a full unit of Fly-nators, then they become their own uniform and theme.

 Galef wrote:
I does kinda annoy me that GW can focus on super disgusting decayed models and/or hyper violent themes, but heaven forbid they put out attractive half (or all) naked female figures.
Don't get me wrong, I like the plastic Daemonettes ok, but I wish some of them looked more like the old Diaz metal ones. Daemonettes are supposed to be alluring right up until it's too late, but the models seem to all represent that "Bilbo/Gollum" moment of their transformation.

I will never understand why violence is more ok to portray than sexuality. Especially in a miniature game that emphasizes aesthetics.
I don't know about any of you, but I'd rather look at (and spend time painting) an attractive female figure over some gross half-rotten corpse or bloody rage monster.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd postulate it has to do with the current feminist movement, which puts huge emphasis on dressing modestly - to the point where they've driven women out of work because their job required them to dress in skimpy clothes (that those women nevertheless enjoyed their job was considered irrelevant).

I really don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but my point is that there isn't any comparable group protesting against violence in games. This isn't to say that no such groups exist, but rather that they lack the political clout and media attention available to the feminist movement.

I think Tyranids, Poxwalkers, Nurgle daemons, etc. are all fine. They Nurglings, for example, are very cartoonie. A friend of mine actually laughed at the Nurglings when I showed him a picture. He mentioned that he definitely wouldn't be scared of those and they didn't look scary. If there's any kind of concern for younger kids especially, at least in my opinion, it's models like Slaanesh Daemonettes and pretty much the entire Daughters of Khaine line. I have literally zero problem with having my entire Tyranid, Death Guard, and Magotkin of Nurgle armies on display for my two year old stepson to see. BUT, I started a thread about Daughters of Khaine to see if others thought they were kid friendly... after reading several responses and talking with my fiancee at the time (wife now), I decided against buying any Daughters of Khaine models until he's grown up a good bit more.

If there are any specific models that I think some younger players probably shouldn't see, I'd go with Daughters of Khaine and probably the vast majority of the rank and file of Slaanesh daemons (though I do understand why they are sculpted that way)

Just my $0.02

SG

 ServiceGames wrote:
I think Tyranids, Poxwalkers, Nurgle daemons, etc. are all fine. They Nurglings, for example, are very cartoonie. A friend of mine actually laughed at the Nurglings when I showed him a picture. He mentioned that he definitely wouldn't be scared of those and they didn't look scary. If there's any kind of concern for younger kids especially, at least in my opinion, it's models like Slaanesh Daemonettes and pretty much the entire Daughters of Khaine line. I have literally zero problem with having my entire Tyranid, Death Guard, and Magotkin of Nurgle armies on display for my two year old stepson to see. BUT, I started a thread about Daughters of Khaine to see if others thought they were kid friendly... after reading several responses and talking with my fiancee at the time (wife now), I decided against buying any Daughters of Khaine models until he's grown up a good bit more.

If there are any specific models that I think some younger players probably shouldn't see, I'd go with Daughters of Khaine and probably the vast majority of the rank and file of Slaanesh daemons (though I do understand why they are sculpted that way)

Just my $0.02

SG

I agree non are scary, they look like disease infest crap however... ye I totally want to spend my money on the horseman of disease (sarcasm). The daughters of Khaine tbh I don't mind them, the models I use them in my 40k Inquisitor army (they represent an aesthetic, look at marauder barbarians same aesthetic). Younger players??? TBH the games premise is racism on a galactic scale, young minds should not be exposed to this, period (From a fluff perspective).

One thing that i think has been missing from this discussion is the fact that the things that scare children can be... very different from what adults think.

I mean, you know what terrified me as a little girl? Squirrels. And large dogs. And the hefflelumps and woozles cartoon. Meanwhile, my sisters and I would run around the backyard fighting orcs, because my parents read the lord of the rings books to us as bedtime stories.

Kids are wierd. My nephews have seen some of my death guard guys, and while they don't really like them, it's just because they like my skeleton figures more. I'm not sure why, but they love those guys.

Again, kids are wierd.

nurgliings are fine. Death Guard and Great Unclean Ones with entrails hanging out etc..........yuck.

And yeah. Slaanesh models (Daemonettes etc, and some of the Drukahri now) are crossing from "They fight with little clothes to be totally unimpeded on the battlefield" to "They fight with little clothes on so the boys will buy them!"

 amazingturtles wrote:
One thing that i think has been missing from this discussion is the fact that the things that scare children can be... very different from what adults think.

I mean, you know what terrified me as a little girl? Squirrels. And large dogs. And the hefflelumps and woozles cartoon. Meanwhile, my sisters and I would run around the backyard fighting orcs, because my parents read the lord of the rings books to us as bedtime stories.

Kids are wierd. My nephews have seen some of my death guard guys, and while they don't really like them, it's just because they like my skeleton figures more. I'm not sure why, but they love those guys.

Again, kids are wierd.

It's not that its weird or scary it's the perception that it is us vs them that is disconcerting to younger players.

 Corennus wrote:
Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

Lets take a look at how this game introduces itself.

Every Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook Intro wrote:To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.

This is a game universe centered entirely around being dysoptianly horrifying and over the top, dark, depressing, brutal, violent and insane.

Nothing about the Death Guard or Tyranids has gone too far, and the game has, if anything, reduced much of its "mature" content over the years, especially relative to the original Slaves to Darkness and Realm of Chaos books (which did actually have mature content warnings).

Definitely overthinking this one.

Perhaps a vividly detailed model might scare some kids, but I think too much of parenting is hiding facts and not enough discussion. Some parents would seriously get upset if their child was even exposed to a game like 40k because it "promotes violence" and thus they shield their kid from that exposure. Really what ought to happen when a kid gets traumatized by a particularly detailed model is the parents should sit them down and explain what the game is about and perhaps touch on the reality of life a bit.

I say let the kids see the scary things and then TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT!!!!!! We are startlingly ready to blind our children for their own perceived good and we really are just shooting ourselves in the foot.

 vipoid wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I does kinda annoy me that GW can focus on super disgusting decayed models and/or hyper violent themes, but heaven forbid they put out attractive half (or all) naked female figures.
Don't get me wrong, I like the plastic Daemonettes ok, but I wish some of them looked more like the old Diaz metal ones. Daemonettes are supposed to be alluring right up until it's too late, but the models seem to all represent that "Bilbo/Gollum" moment of their transformation.

I will never understand why violence is more ok to portray than sexuality. Especially in a miniature game that emphasizes aesthetics.
I don't know about any of you, but I'd rather look at (and spend time painting) an attractive female figure over some gross half-rotten corpse or bloody rage monster.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd postulate it has to do with the current feminist movement, which puts huge emphasis on dressing modestly - to the point where they've driven women out of work because their job required them to dress in skimpy clothes (that those women nevertheless enjoyed their job was considered irrelevant).

I really don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but my point is that there isn't any comparable group protesting against violence in games. This isn't to say that no such groups exist, but rather that they lack the political clout and media attention available to the feminist movement.

I'm no feminist, but people has always been a big hipocrite in relation to violence vs sex. And it is nothing new.

 darkcloak wrote:
Definitely overthinking this one.

Perhaps a vividly detailed model might scare some kids, but I think too much of parenting is hiding facts and not enough discussion. Some parents would seriously get upset if their child was even exposed to a game like 40k because it "promotes violence" and thus they shield their kid from that exposure. Really what ought to happen when a kid gets traumatized by a particularly detailed model is the parents should sit them down and explain what the game is about and perhaps touch on the reality of life a bit.

I say let the kids see the scary things and then TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT!!!!!! We are startlingly ready to blind our children for their own perceived good and we really are just shooting ourselves in the foot.

Yeah, try explaining 40K or even AoS and what it is about to a two year old. Doesn't really work.

SG

I think I might have a phobia when it comes to Nurgle. I dislike the look so much, I dare say I would actually refuse to play against an army due to looks alone.

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
It's not that its weird or scary it's the perception that it is us vs them that is disconcerting to younger players.

Well, yeah, that is a different thing. Guess i lost track of where the discussion had gone! I am tired.

 ServiceGames wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
Definitely overthinking this one.

Perhaps a vividly detailed model might scare some kids, but I think too much of parenting is hiding facts and not enough discussion. Some parents would seriously get upset if their child was even exposed to a game like 40k because it "promotes violence" and thus they shield their kid from that exposure. Really what ought to happen when a kid gets traumatized by a particularly detailed model is the parents should sit them down and explain what the game is about and perhaps touch on the reality of life a bit.

I say let the kids see the scary things and then TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT!!!!!! We are startlingly ready to blind our children for their own perceived good and we really are just shooting ourselves in the foot.

Yeah, try explaining 40K or even AoS and what it is about to a two year old. Doesn't really work.

SG

These big dudes in shiny armour are protecting all the good people and are going to win the war against all the nasty evil devil monsters!

I mean lets face it that's what is boils down to pretty much. Ok so that's a gross simplification, but in general terms you don't have go go on about how marines use peoples heads converted into hovering mechanical skulls for computers etc... You can tame introduce it on so many levels and a lot of stuff in the fluff and lore never makes it tabletop side etc.... I honestly think a lot of people get so wrapped up in the grimdark that they get lost in it.

Heck to me my intro to Warhammer/40K was Titan Legions and at 8 years old mostly all I cared about was big robots with huge guns fighting orks with big guns and lots of tanks!

 vipoid wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Mine go in the complete opposite direction. In the interest of tooting one's own horn- https://dj1066.imgur.com/.

Your army looks phenomenal.

You do a hell of a lot more justice to Nurgle than the GW paint team.

Awwww shucks.... Thankyou. This army is a bit of a labour of love.

 Galas wrote:


To be honest with Plague Marines it is not a problem. The problem comes with terminators. With how charactefull they are, when you have 2-3 Fly-nators with each other, it looks weird. Unless you have a full unit of Fly-nators, then they become their own uniform and theme.

Grimtuff's got you covered fam.

The Blightking models are surprisingly easy to convert into Nurgle Terminators. I've just finished painting mine so I've just uploaded them.



Full album at https://imgur.com/gallery/3A9ufwr because I'm gak at taking photos and some of those didn't come out too great and the aforementioned conversions are mixed in there too.

 Galas wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd postulate it has to do with the current feminist movement, which puts huge emphasis on dressing modestly - to the point where they've driven women out of work because their job required them to dress in skimpy clothes (that those women nevertheless enjoyed their job was considered irrelevant).

I really don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but my point is that there isn't any comparable group protesting against violence in games. This isn't to say that no such groups exist, but rather that they lack the political clout and media attention available to the feminist movement.

I'm no feminist, but people has always been a big hipocrite in relation to violence vs sex. And it is nothing new.

I feel like it goes back much further than that and is really on the old christianity. Back when the crusades were going on. Crusades and the inquisition were glorified while showing an ankle was sacrilege. Over time it's become a lot more relaxed but it's still not entirely gone from modern society.

 IronBrand wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd postulate it has to do with the current feminist movement, which puts huge emphasis on dressing modestly - to the point where they've driven women out of work because their job required them to dress in skimpy clothes (that those women nevertheless enjoyed their job was considered irrelevant).

I really don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but my point is that there isn't any comparable group protesting against violence in games. This isn't to say that no such groups exist, but rather that they lack the political clout and media attention available to the feminist movement.

I'm no feminist, but people has always been a big hipocrite in relation to violence vs sex. And it is nothing new.

I feel like it goes back much further than that and is really on the old christianity. Back when the crusades were going on. Crusades and the inquisition were glorified while showing an ankle was sacrilege. Over time it's become a lot more relaxed but it's still not entirely gone from modern society.

US society.

In the UK it's flipped thanks to Mary Whitehouse. Violence is the devil and nudity is the lesser of two evils.

If you're not cool with snot and boogers . . . Don't have kids.

The most offensive thing I find about Nurgle is people justifying zero effort paint jobs "cause Nurgle."

The reality is painting decent Nurgle schemes is quite technical, and sticking random blobs of green stuff on, before dipping your Plague Marine in some variation of camo green then dumping a bucket of Athonian Camoshade over it with head to toe Blood For The Blood God to finish doesn't comsititute a good paint job just because it's Nurgle!

 Corennus wrote:
I wasn't referring to the fact they have tiny pieces that get damaged Ironbrand. I was referring to the fact some of them really need to come with a 15 certificate.

I'm guessing this is a cultural thing, but here in the good ol' US of A, violence is pretty fine to show to kids. Heck, even zombies are pretty fine to show to kids (though they recommend 13 and up for the more gruesome stuff). But if a Daemonette shows one nipple then the moral police show up to throw you into the Eye of Terror (this is what happens when you allow Puritans to form a large chunk of your country).

I mean, I get your concern, but honestly I don't see it as an issue. Yes, they are disgusting, but that's rather the point. I'd be more confused if they weren't disgusting.

 Overread wrote:
These big dudes in shiny armour are protecting all the good people and are going to win the war against all the nasty evil devil monsters!

I mean lets face it that's what is boils down to pretty much. Ok so that's a gross simplification

Yeah, considering there are no "good people" in 40K... at least no good armies, it makes that explanation a little more difficult. Imperium is trying to expand and get all worlds into compliance or kill everyone who doesn't want to be in compliance. Chaos is well... chaos. And, Xenos can range from being very similar to the Imperium (T'au) to being either extremely sadistic torturers (Drukhari) to hyper aggressive, blood hungry insects (Tyranids). So, saying that these big dude sin shiny armor are protecting the good people... not really true on any level in 40K.

SG

Y'all have some very interesting theories as to why GW isn't making skimpy models anymore.

A lot of pearl-clutching going on in this thread...

To the original topic: shock of shock, kids like gross stuff. Entire industries are built in this. It bothers you as an adult because it reminds you of your mortality.

 Azreal13 wrote:
The most offensive thing I find about Nurgle is people justifying zero effort paint jobs "cause Nurgle."

The reality is painting decent Nurgle schemes is quite technical, and sticking random blobs of green stuff on, before dipping your Plague Marine in some variation of camo green then dumping a bucket of Athonian Camoshade over it with head to toe Blood For The Blood God to finish doesn't comsititute a good paint job just because it's Nurgle!

A frikkin men. I mean, sure Nurgle (and I argue Orks) forgive a person for not being as good at painting, but being lazy just wrecks otherwise well detailed models that look good regardless how much time you put into them. You can make them look good with a basecoat, wash, drybrush approach, or get really technical and make them look even better without either approach being punished (other than hand cramping).

On the other hand I've always been a bit of a painting elitist. Like I don't care if you aren't a great painter, but at least try to do your best. Not only does your army look better for it, it makes the game more fun to play for everyone.

On the other other hand, I am the same idiot who will spend like six to twelve hours working on a single model who isn't even a character model. Less because of the technical detail involved but more because I seem to insist on having too many steps for every color involved. At least my use of weathering and use of weathering powders has reduced my highlights from two to one per color to try and not clutter the model with too much detail since that can look really muddy from across the table.

On the other other other hand, they aren't my models so paint them how you want, even if you're going to lazy paint them by priming them that Death Guard green color and dip them in floor polish. I mean, I'm still going to judge you a bit inside, but you at least did more than the guy on the next table who is rocking the green plastic Death Guard and makes a million excuses why he won't give them the most basic of paint jobs.

 Azreal13 wrote:
The most offensive thing I find about Nurgle is people justifying zero effort paint jobs "cause Nurgle."

The reality is painting decent Nurgle schemes is quite technical, and sticking random blobs of green stuff on, before dipping your Plague Marine in some variation of camo green then dumping a bucket of Athonian Camoshade over it with head to toe Blood For The Blood God to finish doesn't comsititute a good paint job just because it's Nurgle!

I hope you're not talking about mine there Az....

Thing is, at it's most basic broken down form, that essentially is the scheme on mine, although mine start out with a coat of warboss green (the final main stage after blocking in the colours is to wash the whole model in vallejo smokey ink), though this is a scheme developed over years (this is my fourth DG army, and sixth Nurgle affiliated one as I used to have Nurgle Daemons and LATD) and is quite technical in places.

I see far too many gakky modelling and painting jobs on Nurgle stuff that you simply cannot comment on as this hobby is far too false in places and people cannot take criticism (same goes for Slaanesh too. Slapping a pair of tittays on a DP does not a good conversion make) of their work.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
Y'all have some very interesting theories as to why GW isn't making skimpy models anymore.

A lot of pearl-clutching going on in this thread...

I think it's more likely a design philosophy change because GW doesn't want Slaanesh to be the sex god of their universe. I mean, hedonistic pleasures of the flesh are very Slaanesh, but they clearly don't want that to be the only thing Slaanesh is known for, hence a likely choice to tone down the nipples. At least that would be more logical than it being them caving to moral police in other countries during a time when Kirby was saying "feck the customers, we tell them what to want".

Mortarion is still one of the bestsellers no?

Each to their own. I think they were better in the olden days, mostly because I think they've become more cartoony and less grisly.

If one does not like it, don't buy it. No need to be offended on other's behalf or go on a morality crusade. There is enough of that.

I was a little turned off by the Nurgle look when they first got released, but after painting a squad of Blight Kings for WHQ I love how much you can do with all the details.

 ServiceGames wrote:

 Overread wrote:
These big dudes in shiny armour are protecting all the good people and are going to win the war against all the nasty evil devil monsters!

I mean lets face it that's what is boils down to pretty much. Ok so that's a gross simplification

Yeah, considering there are no "good people" in 40K... at least no good armies, it makes that explanation a little more difficult. Imperium is trying to expand and get all worlds into compliance or kill everyone who doesn't want to be in compliance. Chaos is well... chaos. And, Xenos can range from being very similar to the Imperium (T'au) to being either extremely sadistic torturers (Drukhari) to hyper aggressive, blood hungry insects (Tyranids). So, saying that these big dude sin shiny armor are protecting the good people... not really true on any level in 40K.

SG

IDK if bloodhungry is the right description for tyranids. They're not so much hungry for blood, more hungry for anything even remotely edible. Omni-hungry is probably a better description.

 IronBrand wrote:
IDK if bloodhungry is the right description for tyranids. They're not so much hungry for blood, more hungry for anything even remotely edible. Omni-hungry is probably a better description.

So what you're saying is that the Hive Fleets hit the space bong one too many times and now have a galactic case of the munchies?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Captain Joystick wrote:
Y'all have some very interesting theories as to why GW isn't making skimpy models anymore.

A lot of pearl-clutching going on in this thread...

I think it's more likely a design philosophy change because GW doesn't want Slaanesh to be the sex god of their universe. I mean, hedonistic pleasures of the flesh are very Slaanesh, but they clearly don't want that to be the only thing Slaanesh is known for, hence a likely choice to tone down the nipples. At least that would be more logical than it being them caving to moral police in other countries during a time when Kirby was saying "feck the customers, we tell them what to want".

I always think the above image is kinda what GW wants the Chaos gods to ultimately be like (plus that's a nice in-universe hook of how someone could easily get lured in).

Slaanesh is about extremes, it is the pursuit of perfection. There are beautiful examples of this in the Fabius Bile novels, such as a CSM drawing a portrait of one of his slaves on its own flayed skin as a canvas. He is drawing it with char made from the creature's own bones. That, and almost literally everything the Radiant King does in the first novel. He specifically teleports in and waits until the opportune moment to make his entrance as grandiose as possible. Even Bile himself is subtly influenced by Slaanesh in his relentless pursuit of perfection in his New Men.

But no, Slaanesh is all about sex, drugs and sausage rolls.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Spoiler:

I always think the above image is kinda what GW wants the Chaos gods to ultimately be like (plus that's a nice in-universe hook of how someone could easily get lured in).

Slaanesh is about extremes, it is the pursuit of perfection. There are beautiful examples of this in the Fabius Bile novels, such as a CSM drawing a portrait of one of his slaves on its own flayed skin as a canvas. He is drawing it with char made from the creature's own bones. That, and almost literally everything the Radiant King does in the first novel. He specifically teleports in and waits until the opportune moment to make his entrance as grandiose as possible. Even Bile himself is subtly influenced by Slaanesh in his relentless pursuit of perfection in his New Men.

But no, Slaanesh is all about sex, drugs and sausage rolls.

To be fair sausage rolls are delicious. Can't really blame Slaanesh for enjoying them.

 IronBrand wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

Spoiler:

I always think the above image is kinda what GW wants the Chaos gods to ultimately be like (plus that's a nice in-universe hook of how someone could easily get lured in).

Slaanesh is about extremes, it is the pursuit of perfection. There are beautiful examples of this in the Fabius Bile novels, such as a CSM drawing a portrait of one of his slaves on its own flayed skin as a canvas. He is drawing it with char made from the creature's own bones. That, and almost literally everything the Radiant King does in the first novel. He specifically teleports in and waits until the opportune moment to make his entrance as grandiose as possible. Even Bile himself is subtly influenced by Slaanesh in his relentless pursuit of perfection in his New Men.

But no, Slaanesh is all about sex, drugs and sausage rolls.

To be fair sausage rolls are delicious. Can't really blame Slaanesh for enjoying them.

Slaanesh is the patron saint of Greggs.

But there, we have another example of Slaaneshi influence (a theme on extremes again), gluttony. Eating so much you're this fat hedonistic chaos worshipper that has beautiful Daemonettes prancing around them (I think I've just described a certain corner of the internet's fantasy there...).

I've only ever seen one fat Slaaneshi mini which was made from a Judge Dredd fatty and it looked great.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Spoiler:

I always think the above image is kinda what GW wants the Chaos gods to ultimately be like (plus that's a nice in-universe hook of how someone could easily get lured in).

Slaanesh is about extremes, it is the pursuit of perfection. There are beautiful examples of this in the Fabius Bile novels, such as a CSM drawing a portrait of one of his slaves on its own flayed skin as a canvas. He is drawing it with char made from the creature's own bones. That, and almost literally everything the Radiant King does in the first novel. He specifically teleports in and waits until the opportune moment to make his entrance as grandiose as possible. Even Bile himself is subtly influenced by Slaanesh in his relentless pursuit of perfection in his New Men.

But no, Slaanesh is all about sex, drugs and sausage rolls.

That's a really cool representation of the pantheon.

Also, nice army pics. That Great Unclean one is awesome.

 Corennus wrote:
Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

To be honest i can see where you're coming from but i had a strange realisation the other day, we decide whats horrific and disgusting based on our experiences, kids have a limited experiences to draw similarities to so to them models look cool but to us i guess we just have a little more scope when we look at these figures, for example:

1. When i was a kid Alien and Aliens was awesome, the face hugger and chest burster was just a cool gribbly alien, now with a little more age behind me and knowing what its like to have a tube down the throat, chest pains or any other persist ant pain i can now say yeah... that's nasty, these alien things suck!

2. Seeing Nurgle characters as a kid with slime and maggots and open wounds and being described as having the stench of death.... *shrug* cool.... Adult me after having to deal with a spilt bag of meat at a supermarket which had been left for a couple of days can now see just how horrible Nurgle is >.<

so yeah, i have no doubt that you see these new figures as pretty nasty disgusting and over the top but remember your seeing them with a life filter

 Grimtuff wrote:
But there, we have another example of Slaaneshi influence (a theme on extremes again), gluttony. Eating so much you're this fat hedonistic chaos worshipper that has beautiful Daemonettes prancing around them (I think I've just described a certain corner of the internet's fantasy there...).

How about those bad guys from kids movies who visit pain and suffering on others because they just revel in how evil they are?

The Age of Sigmar Nurgle line is pretty awesome, which you might find disgusting. With nurgle, in some places it's better, and in others it's worse depending on how you look at it. The old metal GUO had a butthole sculpted on it, and all the nurgle minis were a bit more frightening than they are now.

Personally I love the new details they are bringing into the minis, and it's a large portion of why I play Nurgle. Not only are they very interesting to paint, but the extra detail that GW is putting into them doesn't make conversions feel overly details.

My Porphyrion I just finished would seem a bit out of place if nurgle minis and daemon engines were not what they are today, especially the other forgeworld stuff, like Cor'Bax Utterblight.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
I want some exclusivity from my hobby. I don’t want them to market warhammer to everyone like they did with Star Wars. To do so betrays the very nature of the setting. It’s brutal, bloody and horrific, I don’t want some child friendly bull gak bringing in a flood of Timmy’s. they’ve already done enough in recent years to try to make the game more accessible to new players, but enough is enough.

I like how people parrot this everywhere (but mostly on 4chan et consortes, in strawman threads) when Disney's Star Wars is more brutal than ever, with combat scenes in both Solo and Rogue One beating most 40K war depictions in brutality. Hell, change AT-somethings from Solo to Sentinels, give Imperial troops Cadian helmets, and you will get best 40K battle ever shown on screen. Child friendliness, eh?

Yes, mainline SW movies are family movies. So what? Not only they were always so, new movies are way more serious and dark than prequel gak Lucas made on his own, with zero oversight. New side SW movies? Way darker than 98% of anything ever done under SW banner.

I see nothing offensive in the models...I think they're ugly, but not offensive in the slightest.

I like how people parrot this everywhere (but mostly on 4chan et consortes, in strawman threads) when Disney's Star Wars is more brutal than ever, with combat scenes in both Solo and Rogue One beating most 40K war depictions in brutality. Hell, change AT-somethings from Solo to Sentinels, give Imperial troops Cadian helmets, and you will get best 40K battle ever shown on screen. Child friendliness, eh?

Yes, mainline SW movies are family movies. So what? Not only they were always so, new movies are way more serious and dark than prequel gak Lucas made on his own, with zero oversight. New side SW movies? Way darker than 98% of anything ever done under SW banner.

And I wasn't at all referring to the new Star Wars films which were IMO generally very good. In fact, Rogue One is my second favourite SW film after A New Hope. I even enjoyed The Last Jedi (shock!horror!). Disney has done a better job with the franchise than Lucas since the 80's.

I was talking about the abysmal prequel trilogy and the fact that I think Lucas whored out his IP to sell some toys.

I used SW as a reference because I feel it is the closest thing that 40K has to IP that is in the public eye. 40K is not a family friendly IP, and I don't want them selling out what makes it so great just to become a household name. It could do that on it's own merits.

 ServiceGames wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
Definitely overthinking this one.

Perhaps a vividly detailed model might scare some kids, but I think too much of parenting is hiding facts and not enough discussion. Some parents would seriously get upset if their child was even exposed to a game like 40k because it "promotes violence" and thus they shield their kid from that exposure. Really what ought to happen when a kid gets traumatized by a particularly detailed model is the parents should sit them down and explain what the game is about and perhaps touch on the reality of life a bit.

I say let the kids see the scary things and then TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT!!!!!! We are startlingly ready to blind our children for their own perceived good and we really are just shooting ourselves in the foot.

Yeah, try explaining 40K or even AoS and what it is about to a two year old. Doesn't really work.

SG

Because we obviously would be talking to a 2 year old like that.

Come on.

Don't worry, when Slaanesh gets redone I hear they are providing special "17 or younger" goggles with each purchase that turn female breasts into harmless male nipples.

To each their own; I look at nurgle as a great opportunity to work on textures and various weathering techniques. It took me way longer to paint my Plague Marines than it did to paint any other army simply because I didn't want to throw a couple of dirty washes on them and say "right, proper grimy".

I think Nurgle models have the propensity to be some of the best painted mini's GW makes. The Golden Demon seems to confirm this. They don't have to look super gross:

Nooo! If anything it's not disgusting enough.

This is the dark world of the galaxy where the worst of the worst happens. Where every dark impulse is magnified to the ultimate degree. Nurgle is decay and rot... to the point where it exceeds beyond any sane level.

There's a time and place for everything. But Warhammer is one of my last save havens that I don't want going down into the "PC" crowd. Almost every other hobby/universe still active is going down that route, and I'd like this one to stay as dark as possible please. This is THE universe that doesn't need to be diluted with concern of how someone reacts to the literal personification of disease!

 Corennus wrote:
Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

Late to the party here, I know, but if you don’t like Grimdark, play Warmachine. 40k is a nightmare world full of all kinds of horrible stuff. If you can’t dig Grimdark, there’s a million other (probably more productive) ways to spend your time. This is why people were freaking out about the kids books. 40k has never been for small children, not should it be. Maybe that’s not what appeals to you about the game, fine. Play Eldar or Tau or Guard or whatever you’re into, but don’t even think about telling the other people in the hobby that what they like about it is “too much”. Not cool. Nothing personal, but that’s a line in the sand for a very large number of us.

When is Games Workshop going to give us some male nudity? Some of those plaguebearers above could use bloated, diseased genitals. Maybe some wulfen or noise marines could run around with no pants. I wonder what an Ork looks like nude.

I don't think a 12 year old is going to be scarred by witnessing a miniature penis. I have some nude ceramic baby figurines, and no one has complained. I'm sure most of you have seen those statues of little boys used in water fountains.

What I'm really worried about is exposing children to all of these false gods: you wouldn't want your children worshipping Khorne, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, Nurgle, or the Emperor, would you? Ok, sorry, I'm just kidding about that. But I'd instantly buy a model with a penis.

I don’t think Ork have junk. They reproduce asexually by leaving spores all over ghe place.

40k and GW stuff in general used to be a lot more brutal and violent and gross than it is now. Back in the first half of the 2000s they had artwork of daemonettes butchering peasants and gore etc. I think things have gotten too tame lately if you ask me.

I don't know maybe I don't like it, because unlike most people here I had to luck the expiriance both the sight and the smell of too many guts and blood in my life. I understand that esthetics are something very personal, and kudos to people that like the models GW makes for nurgle.

But when I look at the nurgle all I can think of is the smell real dead flash has, and it makes me want to vomit.

Karol wrote:
I don't know maybe I don't like it, because unlike most people here I had to luck the expiriance both the sight and the smell of too many guts and blood in my life. I understand that esthetics are something very personal, and kudos to people that like the models GW makes for nurgle.

But when I look at the nurgle all I can think of is the smell real dead flash has, and it makes me want to vomit.

You want something to vomit over?
In Switzerland you get conscripted, in one of the courses they show you dead people, (or if you get unlucky they show you the injured ones), especially from chemical attacks (mustard gas is the worst imo), land mines, cluster weaponry and incindiary (phosphor burns down to the bones).
I had the pleasure of having a NCO that was in a peacekeeping mission in the balkans, he explained that burnt human flesh, smells alot like overdone chicken smell wise.

Compared to those pictures, nurgle stuff looks like a freaking overdone kids cartoon, or some wierd haloween shenanigans.

Also for those that complain about this using the "but the childrens" argument.
"Spongebob squarepants; The splinter. "

I have no problem with dead people, I took care of my grandfather for 2 years, when my mom had to go to work. Dead people are just dead, but something like an open wound that never heals because someone has diabietes, makes me turn inside. Also I live less then 1 km away from a fur farm that my uncle owns. I have seen enough skined animals, plus my dad hunts and my grandparents had pig, chicken etc. The smell is the worse, and for me the problem is that if I look at painted nurgle models, I smell the smell and it makes me sick. I can't explain why that is. It is strange because when I was 6, the most fun thing to do for kids around here, was to blow up a frog and explode it with fireworks. Back then I had no problems with anything.

Karol wrote:
I have no problem with dead people, I took care of my grandfather for 2 years, when my mom had to go to work. Dead people are just dead, but something like an open wound that never heals because someone has diabietes, makes me turn inside. Also I live less then 1 km away from a fur farm that my uncle owns. I have seen enough skined animals, plus my dad hunts and my grandparents had pig, chicken etc. The smell is the worse, and for me the problem is that if I look at painted nurgle models, I smell the smell and it makes me sick. I can't explain why that is. It is strange because when I was 6, the most fun thing to do for kids around here, was to blow up a frog and explode it with fireworks. Back then I had no problems with anything.

I have the same problem now but in a wierd diffrent way.
I burnt my hand relativly badly in school, it smelled like cooked chicken, so there are times when i just can't stand the smell of it. It got also worse thanks to my moron of a NCO later, which i belive made me associate the smell even more.
Frankly most of the time i just overcome it, but there are times which i lose all appetite.
Nothing can be done about, except exposure i guess.

Tyranids are fine

Have you watched Starship troopers or played Starcraft? Much worse

Maybe it's just me, but I totally felt that the new Nurgle models were much more cartoonish-disgusting rather than realistically disgusting. I had figured it was their attempt to be more family friendly.

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but I totally felt that the new Nurgle models were much more cartoonish-disgusting rather than realistically disgusting. I had figured it was their attempt to be more family friendly.

Nurgle has always had a bit of a cartoony vibe going on in the background (I mean Mordheim had the "Carnival of Chaos" which features middle ages style Nurgle Carnies) plus the silliness of the Nurglings going on, but with the new stuff how cartoony or gorey it is definitely comes down to the paint scheme. A darker/paler set of greens for them can make them look more gross than the brighter studio colors (which admittedly are used largely to make the models more photogenic than anything else).

I know I'm probably in the minority but I liked the older plague marines more than the new ones. They just seem to busy.

That said both are nothing compared to the forge world ones.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I know I'm probably in the minority but I liked the older plague marines more than the new ones. They just seem to busy.

That said both are nothing compared to the forge world ones.

New stuff in general is very loud and busy which sorta feels distracting from a game about armies fighting each other. Combine that with the general increase in mono pose going on and it makes models feel more like they are all "HQs" instead of squad troops or fast attack or whatever.

I think from looks of the new stuff coming out that is disgusting in some peoples eyes, will be Slaneesh... Which I am happy for

No more pestilence, no more rot, no more degeneration, no more fething ugly....

Lets look to beautiful (what's more beautiful than a woman? I would say my wife but she is a goddess, so is the number 1))), points to her which she will never know .

So at the Slaneesh aesthetic is desire. I think if go on the witch aelves aesthetic (like provocative but slightly restrained will do well). I tried to turn the convo into beauty but will probably go back to boogers and puss?

The model's aren't disgusting enough, or threatening enough. Some of the newer models look cartoonier than past ones, I really don't think it's just nostalgia goggles talking when I say that stuff used to be rougher and more menacing looking.

Many years ago when I got into 40k the brutality and nastiness was part of the draw. A lot of boys inherently like violent/nasty stuff, their imaginations thrive on it, there's nothing wrong with that.

And I think if you try to sanitize something like 40k you take away part of it's essence.

If someone doesn't think their kids shouldn't play it because it's too graphically violent/disgusting, that's their call but I disagree.

 Corennus wrote:
....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...

Such as?
To me they look like cartoon characters straight out of nick jr

 Corennus wrote:
Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

I don't understand what you mean by Mature. How are you deciding what should be rated mature.
I see nothing from GW that I wouldn't find more ore less fine for a 12 year old. If it's your child then you decide what is or isn't acceptable, it's your job as a parent.
Putting labels like mature on products would seem to me to shift the responsibility onto the manufacturer and the shop owner and away from the parents to be involved in what their children are doing.
This just comes across as busybody moral panic.
Very, "OH! Won't somebody think of the children!"

 warhead01 wrote:

 Corennus wrote:
Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

I don't understand what you mean by Mature. How are you deciding what should be rated mature.
I see nothing from GW that I wouldn't find more ore less fine for a 12 year old. If it's your child then you decide what is or isn't acceptable, it's your job as a parent.
Putting labels like mature on products would seem to me to shift the responsibility onto the manufacturer and the shop owner and away from the parents to be involved in what their children are doing.
This just comes across as busybody moral panic.
Very, "OH! Won't somebody think of the children!"

Reminds me of work the other day. So to sell movies when they come out we have a TV we play "the movie of the week" on, this week being Jurassic Park: Fallen Kingdom. So we got a complaint that someone said a curse word in the movie, in a movie where dinosaurs kill people. I feel like people's priorities get pretty messed up at times.

 warhead01 wrote:

 Corennus wrote:
Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

I don't understand what you mean by Mature. How are you deciding what should be rated mature.
I see nothing from GW that I wouldn't find more ore less fine for a 12 year old. If it's your child then you decide what is or isn't acceptable, it's your job as a parent.
Putting labels like mature on products would seem to me to shift the responsibility onto the manufacturer and the shop owner and away from the parents to be involved in what their children are doing.
This just comes across as busybody moral panic.
Very, "OH! Won't somebody think of the children!"

Sorry I beat you to this several pages back, but it's nice to see I'm not alone in seeing this nonsense

hobojebus wrote:

 warhead01 wrote:

 Corennus wrote:
Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

I don't understand what you mean by Mature. How are you deciding what should be rated mature.
I see nothing from GW that I wouldn't find more ore less fine for a 12 year old. If it's your child then you decide what is or isn't acceptable, it's your job as a parent.
Putting labels like mature on products would seem to me to shift the responsibility onto the manufacturer and the shop owner and away from the parents to be involved in what their children are doing.
This just comes across as busybody moral panic.
Very, "OH! Won't somebody think of the children!"

Sorry I beat you to this several pages back, but it's nice to see I'm not alone in seeing this nonsense

I think I did see that after I posted.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gw's silly models did at some point get a mature rating. It feels more and more that the edges are being taken off everything, Hell the last Ork codex was basically safety scissors, can't have those other factions getting cut by accident or anything.
But I find the idea extremely disappointing.

It's also funny in a way because when my stepson came to live with us at the age of 13, the first thing I did was put a White Dwarf and Chaos codex and maybe a rule book in his hands to read for the ride home. H asked to see them, why not! 40K became out common ground. The first thing he did was try to write a new race based on worms, so he got into Nidz which were a bit like what he had been imagining.

I've always thought that Fungus the Bogeyman was a big influence on the look and feel of Nurgle. Kids love gross stuff - bogies and slime and creepy crawlies.

 Wunzlez wrote:
Don't worry, when Slaanesh gets redone I hear they are providing special "17 or younger" goggles with each purchase that turn female breasts into harmless male nipples.

OK, this actually made me chuckle out loud.

SG

hahaha! Seen it all now. Offensive? Little plastic models of cartoonish bad guys to come with a rating? You do know the internet exists yeah? What do you think should happen at Halloween? This is just.... well... I don't mean this as a personal attack, it's just a general observation of how utterly sad some people have become. This complaint is truly, utterly pathetic. Like super pathetic. Go outside. SMH.