Sooner or later the 20 year old Catachans and 15 year old Cadians will have to be redone or replaced. Hopefully the IG will finally get a plastic kit on par with the Empire Handgunners, GS cult, Skitarii and Necromunda kits.

When that happy day comes what should GW do? Replace the Cadians, put out a different regiment, put out a new one?

Assuming of course we don't get a dozen regiment kits of course... Let's just assume there can be only one.

New or other non cadian regiment including female guard.

Its like Primaris - I doubt they will make just new Cadians as everyone has loads of them.

New stuff is more likely to sell.

I would personally like to see either Vostroyan first born, or if they want to make a new regiment. I want to see something more ancient and imperial looking, I don’t want this modern army aesthetic thing they got going with Cadia and catachan. Something that looks like the Rogue Trader guys in the new box set would be nice.

Also, update imperial tanks to look less modern. Needs more bling.

The Catachan's were never something I liked, the sculps never looked good, the 80's action hero thing doesn't quite work anymore, and these kits never moved off the shelf, I never understood why GW pushed them so much. I've never seen an actual Catachan-model guard army in my life on a table.

The Cadians arent bad, but need different heads. The helmets look like seizure safety helmets with the exaggerated head sizes, and all the facial expressions look like intense constipation.

I'd love new plastic Steel Legion, those could fit amazingly well as the new standard line.

Edit: i wouldn't mind the Vostroyans either if they had helmet options and not just the bearskin caps, I don't like the caps.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
I would personally like to see either Vostroyan first born, or if they want to make a new regiment. I want to see something more ancient and imperial looking, I don’t want this modern army aesthetic thing they got going with Cadia and catachan. Something that looks like the Rogue Trader guys in the new box set would be nice.

Yeah, agreed.

Modernized Guard would be cool, alongside a bigger box of RT voidsmen so you can have both old and modern looking humans in flak armor with lasguns.

I'd love to have the old Archadian Spiders in updated plastic. With the oversized helmets and impractical shoulderpads they're just on the right side of stupid for me.



While I have a million of the 2nd edition metal guard, I'm not sure I'd want another 'historical army with lasguns' as the default force.

My one request would be MAKE SURE THEY ARE COMPATIBLE, building Van Saar still gives me nightmares.

Either make another existing regiment in plastic or make a completely new one.

All right, someone voted for the Catachams! Give those Rambo wannabes some love!

I voted for Make another existing regiment in plastic. As my own large Guard force is non-Cadian...even though it has lots of Cadian models. I just did conversion work to make a lot of them different and more in line with the original Guard from back in Rogue Trader days.

My two cents,

CB

I'd want a new plastic line, either an existing one or a new one if GW can make it look good. I don't see Cadians or Catachan getting refreshed since GW has mostly been focusing on new never before seen models and factions, not updating the older lines or redoing existing kits.

In the third or fourth edition codex there was a sketch of some IG in long coats and modernish body armor. I think they may have been labeled as the Necromunda Spiders. I would like to see them or the Vostroyans, or some other heavily Blanched mini design. The Starstriders look great, but I'd like to see something a little less Love Boat Security and more ...well, Imperial Guard.


Oh, and at least a few female heads and bodies should be on the sprue.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
All right, someone voted for the Catachams! Give those Rambo wannabes some love!

Well the new Marbo is pretty awesome, completely the opposite of what I usually like in an army, but I'll probably end up getting him.

I’d be very happy with any of the retired metal regiments redone in plastic.

I'd want to see the Cadians re-done. They are probably the most boring, 'vanilla'-looking regiment, which makes them a great base for conversions.
Of course, I'd prefer seeing them do two or three regiments more in plastic (Steel Legion and Vostroyan Firstborn to be precise).

Speaking with my "if I was a GW exec" hat on for a moment, and looking at trends, what we know about sales etc I'd go with a new regiment, introduce rules for a new regiment, they'd have new war gear options etc and would basicly be a regiment that is "guilliman's new envisioning of the guard" (maybe go with the Ultramar Auxilleria as the new regiment simply because it'd make sense he'd roll major changes out there first) they'd ahve some new war gear options and have an intreasting blend of old and new looking armor, with design elements borrowed from some of the most popular metal ranges.

the guard would have new choices of weapons etc (if the primaris marine replacement has moved along then perhaps give them bolt guns and fluff it as "since the IoM has a surplus of old boltguns now..."

It simply makes sense that after getting the Space Marines into a form Gulliman likes, he'd look at reforms in other branches of the Imperial military. and introducing a new range that is "gulliman's standardized equipment" is proably a good idea for GW as the guard fluff right now still harkens back to the old days of "MAKE WHATEVER YOU LIKE!" which is obviously away from GW's stance now.

The last thing we need is anything Space Marine related getting involved in anything Guard related

BrianDavion wrote:
Speaking with my "if I was a GW exec" hat on for a moment, and looking at trends, what we know about sales etc I'd go with a new regiment, introduce rules for a new regiment, they'd have new war gear options etc and would basicly be a regiment that is "guilliman's new envisioning of the guard" (maybe go with the Ultramar Auxilleria as the new regiment simply because it'd make sense he'd roll major changes out there first) they'd ahve some new war gear options and have an intreasting blend of old and new looking armor, with design elements borrowed from some of the most popular metal ranges.

the guard would have new choices of weapons etc (if the primaris marine replacement has moved along then perhaps give them bolt guns and fluff it as "since the IoM has a surplus of old boltguns now..."

It simply makes sense that after getting the Space Marines into a form Gulliman likes, he'd look at reforms in other branches of the Imperial military. and introducing a new range that is "gulliman's standardized equipment" is proably a good idea for GW as the guard fluff right now still harkens back to the old days of "MAKE WHATEVER YOU LIKE!" which is obviously away from GW's stance now.

Any of the above would completely kill any interest I have in IG.

 Bobthehero wrote:
The last thing we need is anything Space Marine related getting involved in anything Guard related

Gulliman isn't just a space marine though, he's the Lord Commander of the IoM Bob, that means he directs all military wings of the IoM. and as I said it's reasonable to assume after modernizing the Astartes he'd look towards modernizing the guard.

New Regiment all the way!

HoundsofDemos wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Speaking with my "if I was a GW exec" hat on for a moment, and looking at trends, what we know about sales etc I'd go with a new regiment, introduce rules for a new regiment, they'd have new war gear options etc and would basicly be a regiment that is "guilliman's new envisioning of the guard" (maybe go with the Ultramar Auxilleria as the new regiment simply because it'd make sense he'd roll major changes out there first) they'd ahve some new war gear options and have an intreasting blend of old and new looking armor, with design elements borrowed from some of the most popular metal ranges.

the guard would have new choices of weapons etc (if the primaris marine replacement has moved along then perhaps give them bolt guns and fluff it as "since the IoM has a surplus of old boltguns now..."

It simply makes sense that after getting the Space Marines into a form Gulliman likes, he'd look at reforms in other branches of the Imperial military. and introducing a new range that is "gulliman's standardized equipment" is proably a good idea for GW as the guard fluff right now still harkens back to the old days of "MAKE WHATEVER YOU LIKE!" which is obviously away from GW's stance now.

Any of the above would completely kill any interest I have in IG.

Well they would bascially look like the Imperial Army from the original RT days - Boltguns, jetbikes, Land Raiders - halicon days.....

GW should make an entirely female regiment just to mess with the gakposters.

Plastic DKoK would be fab. Practical too as it would let FW concentrate on HH and specialist games. Also quite a few folk have been wanting greatcoat IG for some time I think.

Failing that, plastic Vostroyans would be good but my money would be on Steel Legion getting the update treatment if any of the existing armies get it.

I doubt we’ll get any kind of update... more likey a reorganisation into a new Imperial Army by Guilliman so they can do a whole new range of models. It’s the new GW way. Selling a whole new Primaris Militarum force to a player makes them more dollar than hoping people update old models.

Mordians pls!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
In the third or fourth edition codex there was a sketch of some IG in long coats and modernish body armor. I think they may have been labeled as the Necromunda Spiders. I would like to see them or the Vostroyans, or some other heavily Blanched mini design. The Starstriders look great, but I'd like to see something a little less Love Boat Security and more ...well, Imperial Guard.


Oh, and at least a few female heads and bodies should be on the sprue.

Give me this as Imperial Guard and I'll buy tons! (But to be honest probably they would be too similar to Skitarii Vanguards)

As a side question though... When do you think we'll see a new guard line? I would not even guess it's in gw planning phase yet. My guestimate would be something like 5 years.

 Mr Morden wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Speaking with my "if I was a GW exec" hat on for a moment, and looking at trends, what we know about sales etc I'd go with a new regiment, introduce rules for a new regiment, they'd have new war gear options etc and would basicly be a regiment that is "guilliman's new envisioning of the guard" (maybe go with the Ultramar Auxilleria as the new regiment simply because it'd make sense he'd roll major changes out there first) they'd ahve some new war gear options and have an intreasting blend of old and new looking armor, with design elements borrowed from some of the most popular metal ranges.

the guard would have new choices of weapons etc (if the primaris marine replacement has moved along then perhaps give them bolt guns and fluff it as "since the IoM has a surplus of old boltguns now..."

It simply makes sense that after getting the Space Marines into a form Gulliman likes, he'd look at reforms in other branches of the Imperial military. and introducing a new range that is "gulliman's standardized equipment" is proably a good idea for GW as the guard fluff right now still harkens back to the old days of "MAKE WHATEVER YOU LIKE!" which is obviously away from GW's stance now.

Any of the above would completely kill any interest I have in IG.

Well they would bascially look like the Imperial Army from the original RT days - Boltguns, jetbikes, Land Raiders - halicon days.....

keep in mind the bolt guns would also be an OPTIONAL upgrade as well, mostly an excuse to add new stuff to the sprue to enchourage people to buy the new guard squads. a new kit requires new options and that seems like a pretty natural change because, well it's something they had back in the RT days

 Galas wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
In the third or fourth edition codex there was a sketch of some IG in long coats and modernish body armor. I think they may have been labeled as the Necromunda Spiders. I would like to see them or the Vostroyans, or some other heavily Blanched mini design. The Starstriders look great, but I'd like to see something a little less Love Boat Security and more ...well, Imperial Guard.


Oh, and at least a few female heads and bodies should be on the sprue.

Give me this as Imperial Guard and I'll buy tons! (But to be honest probably they would be too similar to Skitarii Vanguards)

Spoiler:

Me too. If we get those Goodwin Guard finally I’ll open my wallet with reckless abandon...

Please please Mordians or Praetorians! If they were in plastic I'd buy a thousand

They can do that with out changing the background of a guardsmen to a large degree. The reason guardsmen don't use bolters is the IOM can barely keep SM chapters supplied with such weapons let alone the billions of guardsmen and woman. Lasguns and flak armor are the corner stone of the standard guardsmen. You change that you change the army.

If they want new weapons (which they don't need) have it be built around las tech. Like maybe a some kind of multi laser HW. IG's charm comes from the idea that any regiment from history can show up and its annoying GW is pruning what should be the most diverse model line in the game. I'm getting tired of the streamlining options, discouraging kit bashing and sterilizing everything into one official model.

A non-hotshot volley gun would be nice.

I'd love to see one or more of the old regiments return in plastic, but barring that, an entirely new regiment would be workable. Bonus points if it is compatible enough for easy conversions with Genestealer Cultists, Tempestus Scions, Cadians, and so on.

I also wouldn't mind seeing Scions getting a new toy or two so that there is more to their keyword than 3 units.

Plastic Dkok seems too good to be true so I'm going to say that won't happen. Would love to see Grenadier squads become available for purchase again...

Generic guard that can have upgrades like diffent heads etc like marines do. Keep it simple.

Rogerio134134 wrote:
Please please Mordians or Praetorians! If they were in plastic I'd buy a thousand

With that they could do 2 regiments at once. Just have 2 heads , 1 Mordian & 1 Praetorian, available for each body.

 Galas wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
In the third or fourth edition codex there was a sketch of some IG in long coats and modernish body armor. I think they may have been labeled as the Necromunda Spiders. I would like to see them or the Vostroyans, or some other heavily Blanched mini design. The Starstriders look great, but I'd like to see something a little less Love Boat Security and more ...well, Imperial Guard.


Oh, and at least a few female heads and bodies should be on the sprue.

Give me this as Imperial Guard and I'll buy tons! (But to be honest probably they would be too similar to Skitarii Vanguards)

Spoiler:

Galas, there's always these: https://victoriaminiatures.com/collections/regiments-of-the-galaxys-finest/products/hexenheim-storm-troopers-10-man-squad

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On the thread in general, while I'd like to see the older regiments come back, I'd like to see a new one as well. I'm part of the crowd pushing for more female models (where story line appropriate, I'm not a Femarinist), so a female, or mostly female regiment would be great. Think the way wytches are set up. Ten models, parts to make two males, or up to 10 females. Play up the old tech side of things as well, at least in ways that we haven't seen with IG yet. I like the inspiration from the RT box idea that someone else mentioned.

If I were to redo Guard, here's what I'd do:

1) I'd make a new regiment, looking like a combination of Napoleonic era soldiers and Roman Centurions (because, I mean, Robute Guilliman is space Napoleon Caesar). Think the new Voidsmen from the Rogue Trader set, but more Napoleonic era. I would have the regular squad have a more rugged used looking uniform and the Command Squad set have dress pants akin to and officer's dress uniform. Kneepads would be included and optional. Both men and women models

2) Release a series of conversion sets for all of the prior Regiments, designed to use at least the legs of either the regular squad set or command set and contain torsos, arms, and heads for their respective set. The Regiments may have a slightly updated look because of this.

Plastic Valhallans, pls.

Not an IG player myself, but some new steel legion would seriously test my resolve.

Rogerio134134 wrote:
Please please Mordians or Praetorians! If they were in plastic I'd buy a thousand

+1 great models

Vostroyans would probably be my pick.

BrianDavion wrote:
Speaking with my "if I was a GW exec" hat on for a moment, and looking at trends, what we know about sales etc I'd go with a new regiment, introduce rules for a new regiment, they'd have new war gear options etc and would basicly be a regiment that is "guilliman's new envisioning of the guard"

Please no.

Guilliman has already plunged his todger deep into Space Marines, I'd much prefer that he not also thrust it into Imperial Guard.

I don't particularly like the current Cadian sculpts, but I think they work as the default IG because they're generic sci-fi soldiers, rather than an export of a single aesthetic or historical era. They work well as a 'universal' Guard aesthetic.

To me, that means a plastic rendition of the Mordians, Praetorians, Valhallans, Death Korps, Vostroyans, or Steel Legion is right out, since all of those have very particular aesthetics that IMO are all very cool, but are too stylized to work well as the standard-issue Guard look.

I think the Vostroyans are the closest to what I would actually like to see, which is a regiment that embodies the retro-futuristic style of 40K. They've got that in spades, but it's also wrapped up in the Cossack look, which again I think is a little too specific. I'm thinking something a little like the Solar Auxilia from Forge World, where their armor looks as much medieval as futuristic, but they're not overtly drawn from any particular historical era.

GW could then quietly retire the Catachans and be left with two core flavors of Imperial Guard- modern/tactical, and baroque/gothic, offering two distinct looks while still being sufficiently generic within the context of the 40K setting.

 Bobthehero wrote:
A non-hotshot volley gun would be nice.

Now that's a really good idea!

Also, I'd guess they could do a Mordian/Praetorian box, the uniforms are more or less the same, just have 2 sets of heads and you can make either from the same box.

But it would be nice to see all of the old Regiments come back in plastic; however, now that they've differentiated each with specific rules, and some of those rules are somewhat lackluster - shifting the less often used Regiments in quantity may be tricky, without an update to some Doctrines.

Solar Auxilera is what the Storm Troopers should have looked like. And STs should have been 10 to a box. And get off of my lawn you punks!

Said it before, saying it again:
Update the existing models' "Infantry Squad" before doing anything new...but tie the update with new rules. Infantry Squads having Heavy Weapon Teams is currently problematic. Ditch them from the list, give Infantry Squads some new weapon options that fill the role of a man portable heavy weapon. Rotary Cannons, Grenade Launchers, Heavy Stubbers, a Volley Gun equivalent, stuff of that nature. HWTs remain as part of the Heavy Weapon Squads and become like we now know Mek Guns are going(deployed/bought as one; different units afterwards).

Cadians and Catachans should get a refreshed basic Infantry Squad. Done up the way the Fire Warriors box was done, with the basic loadout we're familiar with now present and quite a bit of the fittings in there.. Add in shotguns and some new weapon options for the squads themselves and you have a set people will actually go for.

Scions effectively can be their "own" regiment at this point. That's not a bad thing! It tickles the itch some people want of a more "40kish" look. The Scions are purportedly what was used as the basis for the Rogue Trader's Voidsmen, so clearly they think it's a vibe that people like. Add in a "Scions Heavy Weapons Team" option for Heavy Support and a new Sentinel variant for them and we get the ability to run a full Scion "army".

I vote for retiring the current line of infantry of Imperial Guard to be retired quietly. Cadia being destroyed gives them the perfect fluff excuse to phase them out and replace them with a new flagship guard regiment. Something like Vostroya or Krieg would be perfect thanks to their retro look which matches the esthetic of the Imperium. Failling that, they could resurrect a long dead regiment or create a new one that would have a retro-futuristic look (and options for female guards of course). A few updates for Scions wouldn't be bad (snipers or jet pack scions maybe as well as female scions would be cool).

I'd treat regiments like gangs from Necromunda. The kits are great with loads of weapon options

Do a plastic box for each of the main guard regiments.

Each sprue contains a kneeling option, you can then sell heavy weapon sprue separately.

epronovost wrote:
I vote for retiring the current line of infantry of Imperial Guard to be retired quietly. Cadia being destroyed gives them the perfect fluff excuse to phase them out and replace them with a new flagship guard regiment.

This begs to differ with you.
As does the fact there's a sequel coming, and both take place post-Dark Imperium.

Something like Vostroya or Krieg would be perfect thanks to their retro look which matches the esthetic of the Imperium. Failling that, they could resurrect a long dead regiment or create a new one that would have a retro-futuristic look (and options for female guards of course). A few updates for Scions wouldn't be bad (snipers or jet pack scions maybe as well as female scions would be cool).

Oh sure, let's have jetpack scions with CCWs+pistols! We could call them Melee Squads.

The Cadians don't match "the aesthetic of the Imperium" because they're using mass produced gear. Krieg is the same thing.

Vostroyans have more ornate gear for a reason: they essentially provide their own gear.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
my money would be on Steel Legion getting the update treatment if any of the existing armies get it.

Steel Legion would be a good choice imho, preferably with DKoK and Chaos Cultist upgrade sprues (similar to the GSC sprue) being available too, especially if Armageddon gets revisited by Angron.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Said it before, saying it again:
Update the existing models' "Infantry Squad" before doing anything new...but tie the update with new rules. Infantry Squads having Heavy Weapon Teams is currently problematic. Ditch them from the list, give Infantry Squads some new weapon options that fill the role of a man portable heavy weapon. Rotary Cannons, Grenade Launchers, Heavy Stubbers, a Volley Gun equivalent, stuff of that nature. HWTs remain as part of the Heavy Weapon Squads and become like we now know Mek Guns are going(deployed/bought as one; different units afterwards).

Cadians and Catachans should get a refreshed basic Infantry Squad. Done up the way the Fire Warriors box was done, with the basic loadout we're familiar with now present and quite a bit of the fittings in there.. Add in shotguns and some new weapon options for the squads themselves and you have a set people will actually go for.

Scions effectively can be their "own" regiment at this point. That's not a bad thing! It tickles the itch some people want of a more "40kish" look. The Scions are purportedly what was used as the basis for the Rogue Trader's Voidsmen, so clearly they think it's a vibe that people like. Add in a "Scions Heavy Weapons Team" option for Heavy Support and a new Sentinel variant for them and we get the ability to run a full Scion "army".

Scions are their own regiments, just much smaller. I don’t think a standard HWT would work with their quick strike tactics. Maybe some kind of fast attack that works in similar fashion to Inceptors. Honestly though, a scion army (with rule of three) is just a battalion and a patrol detachment (unless you’re using Valkyries).

Make them look like Scions, the best IG models that exist. Cadians look like somebody took a dump on the table.

Gitdakka wrote:
As a side question though... When do you think we'll see a new guard line? I would not even guess it's in gw planning phase yet. My guestimate would be something like 5 years.

I'm going to say within a year. From a marketing perspective guard are in a really bad place at the moment. In the past year the following regiments have been discontinued:

Elysians
Tallarn
Steel Legion (infantry squad is still available but might as well not be when everything else is OOP)
Mordian
Valhallan
Vostroyan

So your options are:

Death Korps (which 95% of players will not be able to afford/justify post international increase)
Catachans
Cadians (Kell dead, Creed pokeball'd, Cadia exploded)

New blood interested in starting a guard army are basically out of luck. The vast majority of regiments are unavailable to them.

I’d have a generic box with Cadian heads, then sell upgrade sprues that cater for anyone who wants to mix things up a bit.

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Said it before, saying it again:
Update the existing models' "Infantry Squad" before doing anything new...but tie the update with new rules. Infantry Squads having Heavy Weapon Teams is currently problematic. Ditch them from the list, give Infantry Squads some new weapon options that fill the role of a man portable heavy weapon. Rotary Cannons, Grenade Launchers, Heavy Stubbers, a Volley Gun equivalent, stuff of that nature. HWTs remain as part of the Heavy Weapon Squads and become like we now know Mek Guns are going(deployed/bought as one; different units afterwards).

Cadians and Catachans should get a refreshed basic Infantry Squad. Done up the way the Fire Warriors box was done, with the basic loadout we're familiar with now present and quite a bit of the fittings in there.. Add in shotguns and some new weapon options for the squads themselves and you have a set people will actually go for.

Scions effectively can be their "own" regiment at this point. That's not a bad thing! It tickles the itch some people want of a more "40kish" look. The Scions are purportedly what was used as the basis for the Rogue Trader's Voidsmen, so clearly they think it's a vibe that people like. Add in a "Scions Heavy Weapons Team" option for Heavy Support and a new Sentinel variant for them and we get the ability to run a full Scion "army".

Scions are their own regiments, just much smaller. I don’t think a standard HWT would work with their quick strike tactics. Maybe some kind of fast attack that works in similar fashion to Inceptors. Honestly though, a scion army (with rule of three) is just a battalion and a patrol detachment (unless you’re using Valkyries).

Scions with jump packs with assault hot-shot volley guns.

I just want Steel Legion.

With the 'success' of Primaris, I'd expect similar with IG.
At the time, I couldn't work out how the Primaris happened, why they existed at all, or what it meant for SM as a whole, but I can see the old IG range getting sidelined for a whole new set of models.

The models in the Rogue Trader KT box look very good, and the Tempestus Scions seem to have been a fore-runner to Primaris.
I'm happy with my Cadians, yet I don't see they staying as they are...

 Apple Peel wrote:
Scions with jump packs with assault hot-shot volley guns.

I prefer my version. Jet-Pack Scions with Hot shot SMG for high fire rate att short range.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/721094.page

Rowboat girlyman being a the head now and being a fan of uniformity I would like a new plastic kit with mixed gender flakk armor torsos and pants. have a few different arms some sleeved in normal fatigues, some more cadian style. maybe do liek in the ork kits with lots of head options. then do some upgrade sprues as now with different arms/heads for other regiments.

 Apple Peel wrote:

Scions are their own regiments, just much smaller. I don’t think a standard HWT would work with their quick strike tactics. Maybe some kind of fast attack that works in similar fashion to Inceptors. Honestly though, a scion army (with rule of three) is just a battalion and a patrol detachment (unless you’re using Valkyries).

Fluffwise yes, Scions are their own thing.
Gamewise? They're not. You can't field a Battalion or Brigade without removing their Regimental traits thanks to the wording.

And really, if you think that a "standard HWT" wouldn't work with their quick strike tactics? You must have missed the Elysians having them.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Scions are their own regiments, just much smaller. I don’t think a standard HWT would work with their quick strike tactics. Maybe some kind of fast attack that works in similar fashion to Inceptors. Honestly though, a scion army (with rule of three) is just a battalion and a patrol detachment (unless you’re using Valkyries).

Fluffwise yes, Scions are their own thing.
Gamewise? They're not. You can't field a Battalion or Brigade without removing their Regimental traits thanks to the wording.

And really, if you think that a "standard HWT" wouldn't work with their quick strike tactics? You must have missed the Elysians having them.

I forgot about Elysians. But, frankly, I don’t want Scions to be the new Elysians if Elysians don’t get more love from Forge World.

Scions can field battalions, so I don’t know what you’re talking about. Two Tempestor Primes, at least three Scion squads. Bam, battalion. Add in command squads and Taurox Primes and you’ve got the bulk of your army. Plus a patrol for the third Tempestor Prime to lead if you need more than six squads from the battalion. Also, an Airwing with Valkyries is still quite thematic, as they were known (and still are) for deploying and acting as gunships for Scions.

First with GW wanting to protect their IP they need to retire the Cadian set. They are too vanilla. Redesign a new more 40k style regiment. Load them up with a lot of goodies. Have a contest to design a second group of infantry. This will get peoples feedback and keep them from releasing something people don't want. I don't know why GW is scared of having multiple guard regiments. Chaos and loyalist marines have multiple armies in different styles. GW is first a model company they should be throwing as many different styles of kits as they can handle.

ENTER THE GUARDSMEN PRIMARIS! It's like guardsmen, but bigger and less details and less "heroic scale" the entire game is based on!

FYI, the 'Heroic scale' system is a miniature scaling system where it purposely skews the proportions - compare gundams vs SD gundams (here the SD gundams are actually the normal scales and gundams the heroic scale). It's SUPPOSED TO BE disproportional.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniature_model_(gaming)

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Scions are their own regiments, just much smaller. I don’t think a standard HWT would work with their quick strike tactics. Maybe some kind of fast attack that works in similar fashion to Inceptors. Honestly though, a scion army (with rule of three) is just a battalion and a patrol detachment (unless you’re using Valkyries).

Fluffwise yes, Scions are their own thing.
Gamewise? They're not. You can't field a Battalion or Brigade without removing their Regimental traits thanks to the wording.

And really, if you think that a "standard HWT" wouldn't work with their quick strike tactics? You must have missed the Elysians having them.

I forgot about Elysians. But, frankly, I don’t want Scions to be the new Elysians if Elysians don’t get more love from Forge World.

Elysians and Scions are very much a similar concept and that's intentional. The big difference was always supposed to be that Scions/Stormtroopers were more heavily armored while Elysians were lighter armored.

Scions can field battalions, so I don’t know what you’re talking about. Two Tempestor Primes, at least three Scion squads. Bam, battalion. Add in command squads and Taurox Primes and you’ve got the bulk of your army. Plus a patrol for the third Tempestor Prime to lead if you need more than six squads from the battalion.

Yeah. You can do a Battalion. That's my bad, but you still cannot do anything larger than the Battalion or Patrol because doing so would remove the ability for you to get the Tempestus Regimental trait.

If you somehow think that "standard HWTs" will ruin the theme, that's fine for you--I don't. If Elysians or Vostroyans or Valhallans or Steel Legion can have them? No reason for Scions to not have them.

Also, an Airwing with Valkyries is still quite thematic, as they were known (and still are) for deploying and acting as gunships for Scions.

I mean, if you really want to get into it that's only in GW publications. Anywhere else, it makes it clear the Vultures are the gunships detached from the Imperial Navy.

Valkyries are assault carriers, not dedicated gunships.

Give them some character. That's all I ask. Bring back unique regiments which are actually visually interesting. A regiment would need nothing more than a basic squad box, and one heavy weapon box. Throw in a command box if you're being generous (include some tank drivers in this same box).

Guard are so fething boring right now, it's absurd. Catachans, while cool enough in concept are completely gak models.

If you're doing new boxes, for the love of god put some head options in there so you can differentiate your basic boxes. More or less, just do ANYTHING other than what Guard get right now.

Scions aren't a typical style of unit though. They're supposed to be high speed low drag spec ops troops. What you're proposing would be like asking why doesnt seal team 6 lug around 50 Cal's and mortars. That's not their typical mission. They're not supposed to dig in on a line and hold it, thats what guardsmen can do for far cheaper and arguably more effectively. The role of heavy weapons in a Scion list is already covered, by their transports. The taurox prime, Valkyrie/vendetta, and even the chimera all fulfill that same role while maintaining the maneuverability needed to keep up with the troops they support.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Scions aren't a typical style of unit though. They're supposed to be high speed low drag spec ops troops. What you're proposing would be like asking why doesnt seal team 6 lug around 50 Cal's and mortars. That's not their typical mission. They're not supposed to dig in on a line and hold it, thats what guardsmen can do for far cheaper and arguably more effectively.

They're supposed to do whatever they're tasked for, and they're supposed to have the equipment necessary for it.

Not sure why you think that them having heavy weapon teams equates to them "digging in on a line and holding it". You bring up Seal Team 6--you know that it's a specific team within an overall group that does have access to those weapons right? For stuff like launching ambushes or doing perimeter security for operations?

The role of heavy weapons in a Scion list is already covered, by their transports. The taurox prime, Valkyrie/vendetta, and even the chimera all fulfill that same role while maintaining the maneuverability needed to keep up with the troops they support.

Funny you mention that since the Taurox Prime has at least one set of weapon options(Hotshot Volley Guns) that a squad carries. The Chimera isn't Scion equipment either.

Elbows wrote:Give them some character. That's all I ask. Bring back unique regiments which are actually visually interesting. A regiment would need nothing more than a basic squad box, and one heavy weapon box. Throw in a command box if you're being generous (include some tank drivers in this same box).

I usually go for something like this if we're going really crazy:
Command Squad/Veterans box(10 models with options for Veterans and Officers)--also gets used to build a 'signature' unit for the Regiment(Kasrkin, Catachan Devils, etc). Parts that can fit on the tank commander from the LRBT or other vehicle kits to customize them a bit.
Basic Infantry Squad box(10 models). Has the kit options for an updated, Heavy Weapons Team-less Infantry Squad. Sergeant has all his available options in this box, along with at least one of each Special Weapon choice.
Heavy Weapons Squad box. Builds 3 Heavy Weapons Teams, with extra legs/torsos that can be used for the Basilisk kit(assuming it never gets redone).

Guard are so fething boring right now, it's absurd. Catachans, while cool enough in concept are completely gak models.

The sad part is that the Command Squad and Heavy Weapon Squad box actually are really acceptable fare. The Infantry Squad is just...yeah. It shows its age.

If you're doing new boxes, for the love of god put some head options in there so you can differentiate your basic boxes. More or less, just do ANYTHING other than what Guard get right now.

If it were me...
10x Helmeted Heads(normal)
10x Helmeted+Visored Heads
10x assorted unhelmeted heads. Mix of caps and bareheaded, maybe some bionics and respirators with straps showing.
10x respirators that attach to the heads.

Given that GW aren't going to want to make loads of regiments in plastic, I think the best we can hope for is versatile kits that can make a variety of regiments. They don't necessarily have to be the ones we know and love, but if those can be fitted into the scheme all the better.
I can picture these coming in sets of 3, pretty much as Kanluwen suggested - a basic infantry box, a heavy weapons box and a command/specialists/bits and gubbins box.

I would do those three boxes for each for:
- 'modern look' fatigues and flak armour
- greatcoats
- dress uniforms.

So that's 9 kits, which is a not-out-of-the-question number - after all they've just replaced the Ork buggy with 6 kits. Each of those would come with a variety of heads and extra bits to allow you to make different regiments from it. For example, give the flak armour boxes Cadian style helmets and fully enclosed helmets, the greatcoat boxes steel legion style helmets and ushankas, the dress uniform boxes parade caps, bearskins and pith helmets, if not even more head choices than that. Make all the joints fully interchangeable so you can mix and match bits if you want. Make a subtle but noticeable mix of body shapes and make a good number of the heads female. Make subtle differences in the style of the equipment - e.g. the dress uniforms kits have more 'fancy' versions of the lasguns etc.

I think something like that would allow GW to offer a decent mix of regiments of different styles to satisfy different IG tastes. There's been a few discussions I can think of recently where it's clear that people have different ideas of what they like out of their Guard - modern vs. historical themed being one of the more prominent ones. It wouldn't take that many kits for them to cater to *most* tastes.

If they did this I'd be very tempted. As it is, I'm very tempted to start an IG army with Anvil Regiments models instead.

I really don't see why GW can't just make 2/3 plastic regiment boxes.

Call them Imperial Guard.

 Hollow wrote:
I really don't see why GW can't just make 2/3 plastic regiment boxes.

Costs. They could, but maybe making some other models would make them more revenue than having two Guard regiment options.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Call them Imperial Guard.

Please only ask for things within reason.

 Galas wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
In the third or fourth edition codex there was a sketch of some IG in long coats and modernish body armor. I think they may have been labeled as the Necromunda Spiders. I would like to see them or the Vostroyans, or some other heavily Blanched mini design. The Starstriders look great, but I'd like to see something a little less Love Boat Security and more ...well, Imperial Guard.


Oh, and at least a few female heads and bodies should be on the sprue.

Give me this as Imperial Guard and I'll buy tons! (But to be honest probably they would be too similar to Skitarii Vanguards)

Spoiler:

Oh god, yes please!! I've actually been toying with the idea of merging the cadian kit with the skitari vanguard box to achieve a similar look.

meleti wrote:

 Hollow wrote:
I really don't see why GW can't just make 2/3 plastic regiment boxes.

Costs. They could, but maybe making some other models would make them more revenue than having two Guard regiment options.

My main issue with this...is if they can justify plastic kits for Bloodbowl Teams and Necromunda gangs...they can justify a few plastic kits for Imperial Guard. I feel the same way about Eldar though (if they were to ever get plastic Aspect Warrior kits). IG are a pretty healthy selling force, they wouldn't struggle to shift 2-3 different versions of Guard basic kits.

 Elbows wrote:
My main issue with this...is if they can justify plastic kits for Bloodbowl Teams and Necromunda gangs...they can justify a few plastic kits for Imperial Guard. I feel the same way about Eldar though (if they were to ever get plastic Aspect Warrior kits). IG are a pretty healthy selling force, they wouldn't struggle to shift 2-3 different versions of Guard basic kits.

Come to think of it, the Orlock Gang can make a fairly good stand in for a Guard regiment if all else fails.

 Elbows wrote:

meleti wrote:

 Hollow wrote:
I really don't see why GW can't just make 2/3 plastic regiment boxes.

Costs. They could, but maybe making some other models would make them more revenue than having two Guard regiment options.

My main issue with this...is if they can justify plastic kits for Bloodbowl Teams and Necromunda gangs...they can justify a few plastic kits for Imperial Guard. I feel the same way about Eldar though (if they were to ever get plastic Aspect Warrior kits). IG are a pretty healthy selling force, they wouldn't struggle to shift 2-3 different versions of Guard basic kits.

The Blood Bowl Teams and Necromunda Gangs are in stock for the launch of the items, then they go to Direct Only.

That is likely the major concern with Guard. They might not "struggle to shift" them...but the stores might have issues with shelf space.

epronovost wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
My main issue with this...is if they can justify plastic kits for Bloodbowl Teams and Necromunda gangs...they can justify a few plastic kits for Imperial Guard. I feel the same way about Eldar though (if they were to ever get plastic Aspect Warrior kits). IG are a pretty healthy selling force, they wouldn't struggle to shift 2-3 different versions of Guard basic kits.

Come to think of it, the Orlock Gang can make a fairly good stand in for a Guard regiment if all else fails.

This was my plan. Orlock with a head swap from Scions (berets) or Empire pistoliers (helmets, maybe beards). But then I bought the Van Saars and realized GW doesn't sanction my headswap buffoonery.

 skchsan wrote:
ENTER THE GUARDSMEN PRIMARIS! It's like guardsmen, but bigger and less details and less "heroic scale" the entire game is based on!

FYI, the 'Heroic scale' system is a miniature scaling system where it purposely skews the proportions - compare gundams vs SD gundams (here the SD gundams are actually the normal scales and gundams the heroic scale). It's SUPPOSED TO BE disproportional.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniature_model_(gaming)

FWIW, Primaris are still heroic scaled... they’re far from realistic.

Plastic Death Korps!

They're the nicest models in the entire Games-Workshop catalog!

STEEL LEGION!!!

Cadians are too generic sci-fi anyways. We need a better grim-dark face of the IG. Give us Steel Legion! And we know they are going to do an Armageddon campaign anyways. So it would be perfect. Plastic Ghaz, plastic Steel Legion and new Khorne bezerkers!

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Plastic Death Korps!

They're the nicest models in the entire Games-Workshop catalog!

I imagine they ae to finicky and spindly to get them into plastic form. So they will stay resin, mostlikely.

That said if it could be done , then i think nobody would be opposed to it.

 General Kroll wrote:
I’d have a generic box with Cadian heads, then sell upgrade sprues that cater for anyone who wants to mix things up a bit.

This. I've always felt all guardsmen would have a similar basic look, but each regiment could have unique parts added, ie turbans and goggles for Talharn, Flat caps and shoulder epaulettes for Mordian, etc etc. Also, each upgrade sprue could have a single model such as a sergeant based on the regiment.

 Huron black heart wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
I’d have a generic box with Cadian heads, then sell upgrade sprues that cater for anyone who wants to mix things up a bit.

This. I've always felt all guardsmen would have a similar basic look, but each regiment could have unique parts added, ie turbans and goggles for Talharn, Flat caps and shoulder epaulettes for Mordian, etc etc. Also, each upgrade sprue could have a single model such as a sergeant based on the regiment.

Yeah, instead of putting the whole squad on a single sprue, break it up to allow customization. Legs, bodies and arms (with no shoulder pads) all on one. Then each regiment gets a head, shoulderpad (or equivalent), and gubbins sprue to set it apart. Gives all guard a largely unified look, but with enough differentiation you can tell who's who. Ignoring how catachan is already portrayed, you can get most of the rest out of those sets; plus enough customization for mix and match with others to make your own regiment.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Elbows wrote:

meleti wrote:

 Hollow wrote:
I really don't see why GW can't just make 2/3 plastic regiment boxes.

Costs. They could, but maybe making some other models would make them more revenue than having two Guard regiment options.

My main issue with this...is if they can justify plastic kits for Bloodbowl Teams and Necromunda gangs...they can justify a few plastic kits for Imperial Guard. I feel the same way about Eldar though (if they were to ever get plastic Aspect Warrior kits). IG are a pretty healthy selling force, they wouldn't struggle to shift 2-3 different versions of Guard basic kits.

The Blood Bowl Teams and Necromunda Gangs are in stock for the launch of the items, then they go to Direct Only.

That is likely the major concern with Guard. They might not "struggle to shift" them...but the stores might have issues with shelf space.

Maybe this is more of an American thing, or even a Jersey thing but I've never bought anything from a GW store in person and only rarely buy things in person since the closest gaming store to me closed. The next closet two are kinda trip and amazon or other online retailers offer a significant discount. If shelf space was an issue then FW wouldn''t exist.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Maybe this is more of an American thing, or even a Jersey thing but I've never bought anything from a GW store in person and only rarely buy things in person since the closest gaming store to me closed. The next closet two are kinda trip and amazon or other online retailers offer a significant discount. If shelf space was an issue then FW wouldn''t exist.

If it wasn't for the need to keep a physical store to encourage and support the game portion of the hobby, it's probable that GW would have closed 95% of it's physical location and rely on online sale only. Brick and mortar stores are dying no matter the type of product they sell. If there weren't constrain in shelf space and company policy about them, we could hope to see several different IG regiments, but we should expect no more than one or two because of that and they won't be multi-kits for reason of price. You require a lot of guards to make an army so you can't ask for $50 per box like you can do for Space Marines or Eldars and expect people, especially teenagers, to collect those armies. Multi-kits are more expensive and thus require a higher price to remain profitable. That's the main reason why Orks, little Tyranids and Guards are troop boxes are cheaper. They compensate with volume of sales while not creating a too big barrier to start collecting.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Cadians or Catachans at all right now. Redoing both to make the characters look a little more realistic (rather than their arms, legs, hands, and feet being huge) would be awesome.

SG

Plastic Steel Legion. GW not having produced these yet seems like a classic case of willfully leaving money on the table. The success of FW's DKoK should have shown them that.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

Maybe this is more of an American thing, or even a Jersey thing but I've never bought anything from a GW store in person and only rarely buy things in person since the closest gaming store to me closed. The next closet two are kinda trip and amazon or other online retailers offer a significant discount. If shelf space was an issue then FW wouldn''t exist.

Forge World isn't stocked on shelves, outside of a limited amount at Warhammer World and the Citadel.

It's a thing that seems to motivate some smaller shops and GW themselves. They want to ensure that they can stock a good chunk of the range so you can have someone walk in and walk out with most of what they came in to find.

Geeze if GW does Steel Legion can we make them like, 20% less Nazi?

More Sci fi and less Axis please!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Geeze if GW does Steel Legion can we make them like, 20% less Nazi?

More Sci fi and less Axis please!

Aside from the Fallschirmjaeger-esque helmet and Y-strap webbing, there's not much about them that's particularly Axis-ey. The yellow coat, cavalry boots, leather gloves, hazmat goggles, and heavy emphasis on BMP-esque Chimeras aren't particularly Nazi-ish. Even the underfolding carbines are more Soviet AKS in style than German MP40.

We can argue the details (the arm bands, the paratrooper smocks) but the image I get when I see them is Nazi. While the DKK look more diesel punk, WWI.

There's really no reason GW couldn't do 3-4 different regiments at once in plastic. Make a 10-12 man plastic kit for each regiment that includes the options for special weapons teams, heavy weapons team (probably 1 per box, but 2 would be nice) and command squads/officers. They already basically do this for Scions, minus the heavy weapons team. Everything else is basically regiment-agnositc, except for the odd exposed gunner/pilot.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We can argue the details (the arm bands, the paratrooper smocks) but the image I get when I see them is Nazi. While the DKK look more diesel punk, WWI.

So you're saying it doesn't actually matter what they look like, in your minds eye they look like 'nazis'. It also seems reasonable by your objection that you also equate 'nazis' to all WWII German armed forces. Pretty sure the most of the Wehrmacht would take issue with that.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We can argue the details (the arm bands, the paratrooper smocks) but the image I get when I see them is Nazi. While the DKK look more diesel punk, WWI.

I think thats 90% the helmet, at least to me. They look at least as much coldwar era Soviet mechanized infantry as they do anything ww2 Axis (particularly the typical mustard/yellowish Steel Legion color scheme) to my eyes. Change the helmet style to a more Soviet style one such as some of the Valhallans sport and I think most of the visual perception go away.

 SickSix wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We can argue the details (the arm bands, the paratrooper smocks) but the image I get when I see them is Nazi. While the DKK look more diesel punk, WWI.

So you're saying it doesn't actually matter what they look like, in your minds eye they look like 'nazis'. It also seems reasonable by your objection that you also equate 'nazis' to all WWII German armed forces. Pretty sure the most of the Wehrmacht would take issue with that.

I kind of doubt they would disavow their political leadership who led them into war.

As long as they were winning at least. Then suddenly no one was a nazi.

But we're going off topic. My point was let's keep real world warfare and politics out of our fun fictional wars.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 SickSix wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We can argue the details (the arm bands, the paratrooper smocks) but the image I get when I see them is Nazi. While the DKK look more diesel punk, WWI.

So you're saying it doesn't actually matter what they look like, in your minds eye they look like 'nazis'. It also seems reasonable by your objection that you also equate 'nazis' to all WWII German armed forces. Pretty sure the most of the Wehrmacht would take issue with that.

I kind of doubt they would disavow their political leadership who led them into war.

As long as they were winning at least. Then suddenly no one was a nazi.

But we're going off topic. My point was let's keep real world warfare and politics out of our fun fictional wars.

You're the one who brought it up.

The Steel Legion stuff is an amalgam of second World War stuff. There's elements of German paratroopers, There's no "armbands" either. There's a single patch on the left arm with a lightning bolt on it.

If put into plastic, the artwork we've gotten of late suggests we'd see a bit of a redesign.

I think some dual kits could work really well for this if you just change heads and a few accessories.

The following could probably share bodies and while not perfect representations of the art work well enough

Deathcorps/Steel Leigon/Valhallen
Mordian/Praetorian
Less stuipidly proportioned Catachan/Tanith

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Geeze if GW does Steel Legion can we make them like, 20% less Nazi?

More Sci fi and less Axis please!

Aside from the Fallschirmjaeger-esque helmet and Y-strap webbing, there's not much about them that's particularly Axis-ey. The yellow coat, cavalry boots, leather gloves, hazmat goggles, and heavy emphasis on BMP-esque Chimeras aren't particularly Nazi-ish. Even the underfolding carbines are more Soviet AKS in style than German MP40.

That Helmet is not inspired by kraut helmets. Ergo what are you even talking about Kyoto, if you could complain about any IG range in such a way you could do so for the DKOK range but even then it would be wrong because the DKoK helmet is a hybrid between the Stahlhelm and the adrianhelmet.


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Additionally the whole fething imperial heraldry would need to be reconsidered --> doubleheaded eagle,F.e or the whole skull heraldry --> first used by hussars afterwards by the SS.

I'm not sure why people seem to think IG are going to be redone...

GW have been on a run of redesigning model lines to be more 'copyright friendly'. Hence the new Ork buggys all being unique and specific. And the HQ options in the Daemons codex have all changed from "slaanesh herald on beast" to "bilepiper fluxmistress bloodmaster".

Humans in flak jackets with machine guns are probably the least copyright friendly models/units/armies in existence. Even the tanks can easily be replaced with any one of a hundred different tanks from other model lines.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the IG 'makeover' ended up being some kind of variation on the Primaris theme, making each unit different and less likely to be copied elsewhere. But as IG are basic humans, this would be very difficult to do.

I would expect IG to just get a couple of new units, maybe a new regiment that has some uniquely (copyrightable) features. The older units that are based on things like russian troops and rambo, I just don't see getting much effort put into them, as there would be very little incentive for GW to do so.

Unless they come up with a new line of the best models in existence, that no other company can compete with. But seeing as there's already multiple excellent alternatives for these models it seems unlikely.

Niiru wrote:
I'm not sure why people seem to think IG are going to be redone...

GW have been on a run of redesigning model lines to be more 'copyright friendly'. Hence the new Ork buggys all being unique and specific. And the HQ options in the Daemons codex have all changed from "slaanesh herald on beast" to "bilepiper fluxmistress bloodmaster".

Humans in flak jackets with machine guns are probably the least copyright friendly models/units/armies in existence. Even the tanks can easily be replaced with any one of a hundred different tanks from other model lines.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the IG 'makeover' ended up being some kind of variation on the Primaris theme, making each unit different and less likely to be copied elsewhere. But as IG are basic humans, this would be very difficult to do.

I would expect IG to just get a couple of new units, maybe a new regiment that has some uniquely (copyrightable) features. The older units that are based on things like russian troops and rambo, I just don't see getting much effort put into them, as there would be very little incentive for GW to do so.

Unless they come up with a new line of the best models in existence, that no other company can compete with. But seeing as there's already multiple excellent alternatives for these models it seems unlikely.

GWs obsession with it's copy right post chapter house is going to hurt it in the long run and is really creatively stiphiling.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

Niiru wrote:
I'm not sure why people seem to think IG are going to be redone...

GW have been on a run of redesigning model lines to be more 'copyright friendly'. Hence the new Ork buggys all being unique and specific. And the HQ options in the Daemons codex have all changed from "slaanesh herald on beast" to "bilepiper fluxmistress bloodmaster".

Humans in flak jackets with machine guns are probably the least copyright friendly models/units/armies in existence. Even the tanks can easily be replaced with any one of a hundred different tanks from other model lines.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the IG 'makeover' ended up being some kind of variation on the Primaris theme, making each unit different and less likely to be copied elsewhere. But as IG are basic humans, this would be very difficult to do.

I would expect IG to just get a couple of new units, maybe a new regiment that has some uniquely (copyrightable) features. The older units that are based on things like russian troops and rambo, I just don't see getting much effort put into them, as there would be very little incentive for GW to do so.

Unless they come up with a new line of the best models in existence, that no other company can compete with. But seeing as there's already multiple excellent alternatives for these models it seems unlikely.

GWs obsession with it's copy right post chapter house is going to hurt it in the long run and is really creatively stiphiling.

I know right! Artists being upset that their creations are being copied and resold elsewhere for profit, how dare they.

Just because GW is a big corporation these days, doesn't make it any better. If you let people abuse copyright with big companies, then big companies will use that precedent to screw over every small artist they can.

(Hell, this already happens all the time, no need to make it even easier for them).

Totally off topic rant though, just hits close to home as I know a couple of artist friends who have had to take legal action against others who have stolen their work, and I'd hate for it to happen to me.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
I would personally like to see either Vostroyan first born, or if they want to make a new regiment. I want to see something more ancient and imperial looking, I don’t want this modern army aesthetic thing they got going with Cadia and catachan. Something that looks like the Rogue Trader guys in the new box set would be nice.

Also, update imperial tanks to look less modern. Needs more bling.

Bingo.

I understand them protecting their copyright, all companies should. However since chapter house, GW has been purging units and options with a gusto and in a few years time I expect the model line to significantly downsized and purged because they don't want rules if they can't sell you an exact match.

 jeff white wrote:

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
I would personally like to see either Vostroyan first born, or if they want to make a new regiment. I want to see something more ancient and imperial looking, I don’t want this modern army aesthetic thing they got going with Cadia and catachan. Something that looks like the Rogue Trader guys in the new box set would be nice.

Also, update imperial tanks to look less modern. Needs more bling.

Bingo.

I agree, they're more likely to go with something more Rogue Trader like, or maybe even go with some of the solar auxillary or tech-thralls from horus heresy.

Less WW1/WW2 and more WW30


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HoundsofDemos wrote:
I understand them protecting their copyright, all companies should. However since chapter house, GW has been purging units and options with a gusto and in a few years time I expect the model line to significantly downsized and purged because they don't want rules if they can't sell you an exact match.

They've culled the random options that dont have current models, but then they've also started releasing new models (such as the warboss on wartrike).

So if their plan was to cull all the outdated units that don't actually exist, and then gradually replace them with new units... then that's a great plan, and so far it would seem to be going well.

Of course, if they end up just never making any new models ever again, then you'll be right that the model line will be relatively a lot smaller than before. However at the moment it's bigger than it ever has been (because all the units they removed never had models anyway).

The models do exist though, they aren't fruit, they don't expire. Older players like me would prefer to not have my older stuff squatted and up into recently that was never a fear I had at any point when I was playing till now.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
The models do exist though, they aren't fruit, they don't expire. Older players like me would prefer to not have my older stuff squatted and up into recently that was never a fear I had at any point when I was playing till now.

Not sure on what models you're specifically referring to. I know that most (if not all) of the models/units I know of that were removed from the rules are ones which didn't have an actual kit.

There may well be examples of units that do have models, that were removed from the game.

Conversions (obviously) don't count, neither do kit-bashes.

Niiru wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
The models do exist though, they aren't fruit, they don't expire. Older players like me would prefer to not have my older stuff squatted and up into recently that was never a fear I had at any point when I was playing till now.

Not sure on what models you're specifically referring to. I know that most (if not all) of the models/units I know of that were removed from the rules are ones which didn't have an actual kit.

There may well be examples of units that do have models, that were removed from the game.

Conversions (obviously) don't count, neither do kit-bashes.

IG Rough Riders had models for over 20 years, but they were really dumb and the unit was never very good and so I imagine they didn't sell well. They remained a valid entry up through the 8E index but got removed in the 8E IG codex, somewhere the models went away and GW just stopped making rules for them and never updated the models/concept.

BrianDavion wrote:
Speaking with my "if I was a GW exec" hat on for a moment, and looking at trends, what we know about sales etc I'd go with a new regiment, introduce rules for a new regiment, they'd have new war gear options etc and would basicly be a regiment that is "guilliman's new envisioning of the guard" (maybe go with the Ultramar Auxilleria as the new regiment simply because it'd make sense he'd roll major changes out there first) they'd ahve some new war gear options and have an intreasting blend of old and new looking armor, with design elements borrowed from some of the most popular metal ranges.

the guard would have new choices of weapons etc (if the primaris marine replacement has moved along then perhaps give them bolt guns and fluff it as "since the IoM has a surplus of old boltguns now..."

It simply makes sense that after getting the Space Marines into a form Gulliman likes, he'd look at reforms in other branches of the Imperial military. and introducing a new range that is "gulliman's standardized equipment" is proably a good idea for GW as the guard fluff right now still harkens back to the old days of "MAKE WHATEVER YOU LIKE!" which is obviously away from GW's stance now.

"Lt, introduce this gentleman to the trackside of a Leeman Russ ASAP. Comms, get our Naval advisor on the horn. We need an orbital strike on the grid coordinates of this, and I quote "Gulliman" heresy and turn his AO into a fething glass parking lot right this emperor loving minute."

Give me plastic Dneiper! Or any of the other cool regiments from days gone by.

I'd like to see new Cadians. Perhaps a bit smaller, less chunky and more detailed. Also new upgrade sprues like conversion bits with various heads, equipment, and gear, like pieces that can make a Valhallan out of Cadian by giving them a different head and adding a piece that attaches to regular Cadian legs and when completed, it becomes a long-coat.

At least an option for a one or two female miniatures is a must, same as all weapon options, so we wouldn't be dependant on command squads or 3rd party sites to get Plasmas.

With respect to female guard, I think that should depend on the background of the regiment. Like, some regiments probably hail from misogynistic patriarchies that wouldn't even consider letting a woman leave the kitchen, let alone fight on the front line, whereas others would consider men and women both equally worthy of being sent bayonet first into an oncoming swarm of hormagaunts for the glory of the Emperor.

 Ginjitzu wrote:
With respect to female guard, I think that should depend on the background of the regiment. Like, some regiments probably hail from misogynistic patriarchies that wouldn't even consider letting a woman leave the kitchen, let alone fight on the front line, whereas others would consider men and women both equally worthy of being sent bayonet first into an oncoming swarm of hormagaunts for the glory of the Emperor.

You forgot the third possibility: war is a women's business and men have no place in it.

For that reason, running both female and male guards in your flagship line of model of the Imperial Guard seems the most wise. Let other companies or Forge World take care of the male and female only varieties. Furthermore, with full face masks, long coats and thick body armor, female and male guards could use the same models as they would be unisex. Everybody is a winner in those case. Your regiments can be 50/50, or full male or full female without having to buy a different box.

epronovost wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:
With respect to female guard, I think that should depend on the background of the regiment. Like, some regiments probably hail from misogynistic patriarchies that wouldn't even consider letting a woman leave the kitchen, let alone fight on the front line, whereas others would consider men and women both equally worthy of being sent bayonet first into an oncoming swarm of hormagaunts for the glory of the Emperor.

You forgot the third possibility: war is a women's business and men have no place in it.

Exactly! In the far future, all possibilities exist.

epronovost wrote:
For that reason, running both female and male guards in your flagship line of model of the Imperial Guard seems the most wise. Let other companies or Forge World take care of the male and female only varieties. Furthermore, with full face masks, long coats and thick body armor, female and male guards could use the same models as they would be unisex. Everybody is a winner in those case. Your regiments can be 50/50, or full male or full female without having to buy a different box.

I agree that the flagship should probably be mixed, not for political reasons, but because I think it's more in fitting with the aesthetic of the Imperium. Yes, it's a patriarchy at the upper echelons, but when it comes to dying in his name, I doubt the Emperor gives 2 servitors about their reproductive organs.

And interchangeable bodies could easily be a thing if Games-Workshop relented on the whole, "it's female, therefore, boobs," mentality. I mean seriously, how is it that practically every female in the 42nd millennium has massive, rockin', heavybolters? Did the birth of Slaanesh have consequences far beyond the Eldar soul buffet?

HoundsofDemos wrote:
The models do exist though, they aren't fruit, they don't expire. Older players like me would prefer to not have my older stuff squatted and up into recently that was never a fear I had at any point when I was playing till now.

they likely won't. most likely what'll happen is they'll bring in a new regiment, give some song and dance about how this is the new standard, and sell it along side catachans and cadians, until eventually the catachan and cadian molds wear out.

Female models should be AN OPTION in form of complete conversion set or one additional chest and/or head bit in the kit sprue. I don't think it should be forced. Fluff reasons.

 Hawky wrote:
Female models should be AN OPTION in form of complete conversion set or one additional chest and/or head bit in the kit sprue. I don't think it should be forced. Fluff reasons.

if it's a new regiment if it's fluffed out from the start that they ALWAYS run mxied regiments... who cares? besides it proably would be optional as they'd just supply some female heads. under combat armor it's pretty hard to judge gender

BrianDavion wrote:

 Hawky wrote:
Female models should be AN OPTION in form of complete conversion set or one additional chest and/or head bit in the kit sprue. I don't think it should be forced. Fluff reasons.

if it's a new regiment if it's fluffed out from the start that they ALWAYS run mxied regiments... who cares? besides it proably would be optional as they'd just supply some female heads. under combat armor it's pretty hard to judge gender

Feth, sometimes it's hard to tell in CADPAT, full-fighting order notwithstanding.

There absolutely ought to be female heads in any future Guardsmen kits, but squads of skimpy-fatigued "Battle Beauty" type models would be so much worse than doing nothing at all.

 Hawky wrote:
Female models should be AN OPTION in form of complete conversion set or one additional chest and/or head bit in the kit sprue. I don't think it should be forced. Fluff reasons.

Male models should be AN OPTION in form of complete conversion set or one additional chest and/or head bit in the kit sprue. I don't think it should be forced. Fluff reasons.

Rogerio134134 wrote:
Please please Mordians or Praetorians! If they were in plastic I'd buy a thousand

Alas too much historial model looking to come to reality. Almost certain if GW ever goes around redoing IG it's going to be completely made up regiment with grimdark style supposed to stop 3rd party making equilavents while failing at it completely.

BTW if they did one of the two no point in not doing the other. Original praetorians were mordians with new heads. Wouldn't be too hard to fit heads for both in sprue either.

One thing I definitely want is for them to be compatible, universal head and arm attachments!

The N17 models are a nightmare to build and convert and any new IG should be open for conversion.

But I think single body/legs are better, you can get more natural poses and I don't think being able to swap legs and torsos really helps, especially in an army where 99% are in the same uniform.