So with all the pictures of the models that have dropped the last few days, this might be the first thing I preorder in a while. The models are gorgeous, there is love for a ton of factions and the fact that kill team has had two major releases in just a few months is something I really commend GW on. That combined that the story is something that has a lot of potential has me pumped.

GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

It's been mentioned in the thread in the rumours forum that the models will have corresponding rules for WH40k, much like the Rouge Trader models have done in the Kill Team game.

That being said, they might not be what people are looking for in a competitive meta, so YMMV.

I'm adopting a wait and see approuch,

I'm a lot more excited than I thought I could be about one of their board games. Their marketing was pretty on point with this one: great voice acting in the videos, interesting theme, and fantastic looking models from various factions.

I'm not sure that it would have enough replay value for the game alone, but if these models have 40k rules I think I'll definitely pick up a copy — especially if they allow imperial armies to take the xenos mercenaries as the retinue of the inquisitor. Fun units like the Starstriders are a great addition to the game in my oppinion, regardless of if they are competitive Although I do think the rogue trader models could have been slightly more powerful in 40k.

 Raichase wrote:
It's been mentioned in the thread in the rumours forum that the models will have corresponding rules for WH40k, much like the Rouge Trader models have done in the Kill Team game.

It's a pity that the rogue trader stuff was so closed off. The retinue included two ministorum and one mechanicus models, none of which could be fielded with those factions.

Nope, nothing but apathy here. It's a really expensive board game that hardly anyone is going to play and probably won't be supported by GW for more than a week, with models that are likely to be marginal at best as 40k kits and may or may not be available to buy separately. Buying it would just be wasting money on a bunch of cardboard that is going straight into the trash. But hey, the models are cool, so maybe they'll get a separate release without the pretense that this is an independent game.

It won't give players a competitive game winning dick measuring contest advantage.
So it'll do poorly.
Plus it'll be £90 probably so...meh.

The chaos marines look nice. Eldar sniper is ok.

A.T. wrote:

 Raichase wrote:
It's been mentioned in the thread in the rumours forum that the models will have corresponding rules for WH40k, much like the Rouge Trader models have done in the Kill Team game.

It's a pity that the rogue trader stuff was so closed off. The retinue included two ministorum and one mechanicus models, none of which could be fielded with those factions.

Can't the rogue trader starstriders be fielded in any imperium army? The only way you can field them is in their own patrol detachment, so any imperium army is allowed to. Although when you can only have 3 detachments in a 2k list, most lists will struggle to make room.

I do agree that what I outlined above is a bit of a flaw, and I would hope to see more flexibility in terms of how to take the Blackstone Fortress models in a 40k list. For example, models having the keywords to simply be taken as a regular choice from the faction they hail from, in addition to the option to take a fluffy detachment of all the new units together.

I'm excited as hell for it. In fact the only negative comments I've seen since the reveal are on this thread and are from perpetual GW naysayers.

 Peregrine wrote:
Nope, nothing but apathy here. It's a really expensive board game that hardly anyone is going to play and probably won't be supported by GW for more than a week, with models that are likely to be marginal at best as 40k kits and may or may not be available to buy separately. Buying it would just be wasting money on a bunch of cardboard that is going straight into the trash. But hey, the models are cool, so maybe they'll get a separate release without the pretense that this is an independent game.

42 plus models for $150 along with the rest is a pretty good value.

It's a narrative game in areas GW doesn't explore often.

This will sell incredibly well and not just because people are going to kill for those renegades.

But glad you get to judge things yet again without actually knowing much about it.

 walkiflalka wrote:
Can't the rogue trader starstriders be fielded in any imperium army?

Yes, but only as a self contained patrol (one of the characters has a special rule to prevent them being run as a vanguard)

You cannot for instance add the death cultist character to a detachment with death cultists, she has all the same keywords but arranged to make them incompatible. Same is true of the <adeptus mechanicus>/<mars> techpriest and the 'non-sororitas' sororitas hospitaller.

The thing is, the models probably won't be competitive in a regular 40K game, much like the Rogue (or Rouge if you haven't painted them yet) Trader units.
However, people who want to play narrative, and therefore not worry about power and strict organizations, can squeeze these into any type of game.

Personally? I'm damn excited. But that's because the box has two specific things. Traitor Guardsmen, who's line was just axed, and new chaos marines. Me and my dad already have our eyes on the set, both of us being chaos players.

Kinda want that Eldar ranger, not a lot of interest in the rest of the box.

The models do look very cool, but I’ve got a backlog of stuff on the paintbench anyway, so picking stuff up just to paint is low on my to-do list. If reviews come in with the game play being amazing, with good replayability, I might consider it. But I somehow doubt that it will happen. Plenty of other games out there, for less.

Are the pictures of all the models on the Warhammer community site?

Nevermind.
Geez those chaos marines are great

I’ve been close to picking up Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower for ages, so a 40k version destroys whatever willpower I had left.
Even if it’s limited in replay, I’m only likely to gather enough friends for it ~twice a year, so will take a while to get stale.
Plus, the models are awesome, so I’ll enjoy painting those.
Won’t be expecting much lasting support though.

It is one of the best release (model + fluff) of the decade for me

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

All models are usable in the core games. It's called conversion and imagination. Two founding principles of the hobby.


I really like what we have seen so far. As others have mentioned the universal reaction so far has been super positive. (Only negativity coming from the same old black-holes of misery and despair)

 Peregrine wrote:
Nope, nothing but apathy here. It's a really expensive board game that hardly anyone is going to play and probably won't be supported by GW for more than a week, with models that are likely to be marginal at best as 40k kits and may or may not be available to buy separately. Buying it would just be wasting money on a bunch of cardboard that is going straight into the trash. But hey, the models are cool, so maybe they'll get a separate release without the pretense that this is an independent game.

Jaded and cynical much? Didn't you say the same thing about Shardspire?

 Tamwulf wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Nope, nothing but apathy here. It's a really expensive board game that hardly anyone is going to play and probably won't be supported by GW for more than a week, with models that are likely to be marginal at best as 40k kits and may or may not be available to buy separately. Buying it would just be wasting money on a bunch of cardboard that is going straight into the trash. But hey, the models are cool, so maybe they'll get a separate release without the pretense that this is an independent game.

Jaded and cynical much? Didn't you say the same thing about Shardspire?

Porably, it's Peregrine, being jaded and cynical is what he does.

I'll likely pick one up on an eBay sale ($108 by then) simply for the cultists, and some minis I can use in our groups more role-playing oriented games. Been doing some Inq28 style stuff too --- so good for that. Not planning on even playing the game, honestly, but the minis are justifiable at that price. Also, you can easily sell off a few you don't want and make back half or more of what you spent. It's an easy decision for me if the sale comes along (as they do every month).

For $260?
Yeah, USA gets it for $150, we got slugged substantially more (don't even ask what Titanicus goes for).

Not on your life.

It's that rampant gouging that made me give up on GW games 5 years ago.

 chromedog wrote:
For $260?
Yeah, USA gets it for $150, we got slugged substantially more (don't even ask what Titanicus goes for).

Not on your life.

It's that rampant gouging that made me give up on GW games 5 years ago.

Woof. At that price, you could likely buy multiple starters for the amazing Twisted miniatures game line that originates from Australia... And those models are amazing enough I would be willing to pay shipping to the U.S. just to have them.

Yeah, I'm getting pumped for it too. Although I have zero interest in the game itself, the variety of models is just too good.
Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.
Plastic Eldar Ranger? Yes, please

I plan to get the set, take the minis I want (which so far may just be the Ranger, Cultists, CSMs and Beastmen) and sell the rest. Hopefully can make back at least half what I pay

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I love having a selection of esoteric models to play with, paint and display. Count me in. Also... Kroot!!!

Don’t really care about the game, just gonna buy the chaos models off eBay.

I'm only really excited about the minis. the chaos marines, spindle drone, negavolt cultist(please dark mechanicum) look so dope. Rogue Trader is perfectly OTT.

I love playing Silver Tower and if this is as good i'll definatly be getting it.

I play Horus Heresy almost exclusively, and can find a use for almost all these models save the Xenos and the CSM. Very excited, I’m sure some folks near mean might go halvsies on one or more

I just want the Ranger and maybe the Chaos Marines.

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

My brother and I are still playing Hero Quest nearly 30 years later. Just introduced my sons to it. That was the bargain of the century for the amount of fun it's given us.

Crispy78 wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

My brother and I are still playing Hero Quest nearly 30 years later. Just introduced my sons to it. That was the bargain of the century for the amount of fun it's given us.

Key point: usually. Hero Quest may still be played, but how many of GW's board games have been forgotten by the end of the month?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

42 plus models for $150 along with the rest is a pretty good value.

It's good value by GW standards if you want a bunch of random 40k models that won't really function well in 40k.

It's terrible value for a board game even if by some happy accident the thousand monkeys on typewriters produce something playable this time.

 Peregrine wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

My brother and I are still playing Hero Quest nearly 30 years later. Just introduced my sons to it. That was the bargain of the century for the amount of fun it's given us.

Key point: usually. Hero Quest may still be played, but how many of GW's board games have been forgotten by the end of the month?

Blackstone looks closer to the HQ end of the spectrum than the Lost Patrol end, to me...


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But we'll see. Early days.

I am pretty stoked for this. I enjoyed Silver Tower and loved the models. I do put this on a different pedestal than some of GW's boardgames as they do appear to want to make Warhammer Quest a thing. They kept Silver Tower and Shadow of Hammerhal around for a good long time and offered expanded support with character cards and whatnot. That they are still keeping the Warhammer Quest name around means that they really want to make this a recurring thing. It is also a good thing as it would be a nice way to revisit resin models and/or add new special characters.

Also, this is a hint that we will be seeing a traitor guard release in the foreseeable future. Silver Tower, if I recall correctly, was an early release for the Kairic Acolytes and Tzeentch additions and such indicating a Traitor Guard and possibly Chaos Space Marine related release next year.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

42 plus models for $150 along with the rest is a pretty good value.

It's good value by GW standards if you want a bunch of random 40k models that won't really function well in 40k.

It's terrible value for a board game even if by some happy accident the thousand monkeys on typewriters produce something playable this time.

Not everyone buys things specifically for their army. In all likelihood they're probably the majority.

It is a hobby after all.

And it's not like you can't ebay the parts you won't use.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

42 plus models for $150 along with the rest is a pretty good value.

It's good value by GW standards if you want a bunch of random 40k models that won't really function well in 40k.

It's terrible value for a board game even if by some happy accident the thousand monkeys on typewriters produce something playable this time.

Not everyone buys things specifically for their army. In all likelihood they're probably the majority.

It is a hobby after all.

And it's not like you can't ebay the parts you won't use.

This. I just want all the chaos parts... the rest I can sell.

I was interested but just about had enough willpower to say no. And then found out that it could be played 1 player and appaelrentlyis procedurally generated, so infinite replay value.

Yes yes yes! Damnit!

I'm even contemplating converting my own stand ins for the sniper/broken leg lady and the preacher type.

 Galef wrote:

Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.

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Those are renegade guard - not cultists. I wouldn't expect these to be "cultists" in that sense, but they will certainly make an awesome stand-in for them.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.

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Those are renegade guard - not cultists. I wouldn't expect these to be "cultists" in that sense, but they will certainly make an awesome stand-in for them.

Ye. There was already a point leaks for them, they are 5 ppm. With Rogue pyskers, Traitor Guardsmen, Beastmen and Darkmech cultists, I have to hope this means lost and the damned list.

Sir Heckington wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.

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Those are renegade guard - not cultists. I wouldn't expect these to be "cultists" in that sense, but they will certainly make an awesome stand-in for them.

Ye. There was already a point leaks for them, they are 5 ppm. With Rogue pyskers, Traitor Guardsmen, Beastmen and Darkmech cultists, I have to hope this means lost and the damned list.

Likely, but still maybe 6 months or more before they try and really make that happen.

5 point IS seem likely for CA, too.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.

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Those are renegade guard - not cultists. I wouldn't expect these to be "cultists" in that sense, but they will certainly make an awesome stand-in for them.

Ye. There was already a point leaks for them, they are 5 ppm. With Rogue pyskers, Traitor Guardsmen, Beastmen and Darkmech cultists, I have to hope this means lost and the damned list.

Likely, but still maybe 6 months or more before they try and really make that happen.

5 point IS seem likely for CA, too.

For sure. Silver tower had it's hostiles as seperate releases, I expect this one to be the same.

 chromedog wrote:
For $260?
Yeah, USA gets it for $150, we got slugged substantially more (don't even ask what Titanicus goes for).

My thoughts as well. Some of the price conversions over here is just mind boggling and not even close.

Will be camping out ebay for a few days after release to try and pick up a few of the models I'm after. The Ranger would make a great Illic proxy

Sir Heckington wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.

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Those are renegade guard - not cultists. I wouldn't expect these to be "cultists" in that sense, but they will certainly make an awesome stand-in for them.

Ye. There was already a point leaks for them, they are 5 ppm. With Rogue pyskers, Traitor Guardsmen, Beastmen and Darkmech cultists, I have to hope this means lost and the damned list.

Actually I'm curious if they are 5 ppm...because the squad is seven, includes wargear - which means a flamer. However, at the normal 9 points, a flamer and 7x 4 ppm guard = 37 points. Perhaps they are 4 points still, and the flamer has been dropped to 7 points instead?

 Elbows wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.

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Those are renegade guard - not cultists. I wouldn't expect these to be "cultists" in that sense, but they will certainly make an awesome stand-in for them.

Ye. There was already a point leaks for them, they are 5 ppm. With Rogue pyskers, Traitor Guardsmen, Beastmen and Darkmech cultists, I have to hope this means lost and the damned list.

Actually I'm curious if they are 5 ppm...because the squad is seven, includes wargear - which means a flamer. However, at the normal 9 points, a flamer and 7x 4 ppm guard = 37 points. Perhaps they are 4 points still, and the flamer has been dropped to 7 points instead?

Well, what's the total cost? Each of those configurations comes to a different point total.
7 * 5 + 9 = 42
7 * 5 + 7 = 40
7 * 4 + 9 = 37
7 * 4 + 7 = 35

Anyway, it's just a thought - because it states on the leak for the points cost that they include the wargear. Who knows, I think a 7 point flamer is more likely than a 5 point traitor guard (though proper guard might be 5 ppm because of their availability of orders, etc.).

We shall see.

 Elbows wrote:
Anyway, it's just a thought - because it states on the leak for the points cost that they include the wargear. Who knows, I think a 7 point flamer is more likely than a 5 point traitor guard (though proper guard might be 5 ppm because of their availability of orders, etc.).

We shall see.

Flamers are 7 points in the AM book.

Ah...well, that settles that then. At least at the moment, traitor guard cost what normal guard do

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

42 plus models for $150 along with the rest is a pretty good value.

It's good value by GW standards if you want a bunch of random 40k models that won't really function well in 40k.

It's terrible value for a board game even if by some happy accident the thousand monkeys on typewriters produce something playable this time.

Sadly, this. GW can make some damn lovely models, but their boardgame rules and prices are trash. Hoping down the line I can pick up a cheap copy - maybe a Black Friday sale (next year) or something.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Not everyone buys things specifically for their army. In all likelihood they're probably the majority.

It is a hobby after all.

I'm excited for the miniatures alone, which have great potential for stuff like Necromunda or Inq28. Stuff like this and KT: Rogue Trade are an absolute goldmine for the skirmish game side of things. I appreciate that some people wouldn't want to spend money on stuff that they couldn't use in their 40k army, but it's not like this is a release specifically for 8th ed. 40k armies.

 Peregrine wrote:
Nope, nothing but apathy here. It's a really expensive board game that hardly anyone is going to play and probably won't be supported by GW for more than a week, with models that are likely to be marginal at best as 40k kits and may or may not be available to buy separately. Buying it would just be wasting money on a bunch of cardboard that is going straight into the trash. But hey, the models are cool, so maybe they'll get a separate release without the pretense that this is an independent game.

The only counter to this is the fact that it's marketed under the "Warhammer Quest" line. I expect to see a few minor expansions and maybe an additional special character or two before they let Blackstone Fortress die due to inactive/slow sales.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.

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Those are renegade guard - not cultists. I wouldn't expect these to be "cultists" in that sense, but they will certainly make an awesome stand-in for them.

Ye. There was already a point leaks for them, they are 5 ppm. With Rogue pyskers, Traitor Guardsmen, Beastmen and Darkmech cultists, I have to hope this means lost and the damned list.

Likely, but still maybe 6 months or more before they try and really make that happen.

5 point IS seem likely for CA, too.

The negavolt dudes are more difficult though, they are 45 /4 so there is some piece of equipment in there that costs atleast a 1 pt.

The lords price though is something of an oddity.

The more I see of this set, the more overwhelming it seems.
I was gonna get it, keep the Ranger, Traitor Guard & CSMs, and sell the rest.
But with just how much stuff comes with the box and it's overall price, I'm starting to think that might be a bit more than I want to deal with. Especially all the cardboard stuff that would basically be trash if I sell it piece-meal

At this point, I'll probably just keep my eye on Ebay for the Traitor Guard. If I can get some cheap, I'll bite.
For now, though I'm a bit more inspired to do my 40K Beastmen idea (Gors with CSM pistols and chainswords)

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 Galef wrote:
The more I see of this set, the more overwhelming it seems.
I was gonna get it, keep the Ranger, Traitor Guard & CSMs, and sell the rest.
But with just how much stuff comes with the box and it's overall price, I'm starting to think that might be a bit more than I want to deal with. Especially all the cardboard stuff that would basically be trash if I sell it piece-meal

At this point, I'll probably just keep my eye on Ebay for the Traitor Guard. If I can get some cheap, I'll bite.
For now, though I'm a bit more inspired to do my 40K Beastmen idea (Gors with CSM pistols and chainswords)

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You could wait. My bet is the traitor guard will be released on their own like the hostiles in Silver Tower. Could mean a Lost and the Damned line...

Sir Heckington wrote:

 Galef wrote:
The more I see of this set, the more overwhelming it seems.
I was gonna get it, keep the Ranger, Traitor Guard & CSMs, and sell the rest.
But with just how much stuff comes with the box and it's overall price, I'm starting to think that might be a bit more than I want to deal with. Especially all the cardboard stuff that would basically be trash if I sell it piece-meal

At this point, I'll probably just keep my eye on Ebay for the Traitor Guard. If I can get some cheap, I'll bite.
For now, though I'm a bit more inspired to do my 40K Beastmen idea (Gors with CSM pistols and chainswords)

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You could wait. My bet is the traitor guard will be released on their own like the hostiles in Silver Tower. Could mean a Lost and the Damned line...

Probably, but "easy-to-build" models are often cheaper than regular box sets with options. On the flipside, limited-time only set, which this will likely be, also aren't cheap.
Time will tell, but the problem with that is that there isn't likely to be a window of time in which we'll know for sure.
By the time Traitor Guard have their own box set, Blackstone Fortress might be "off the market" and it would be just a expensive to order them on eBay as to just get them from GW.

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 Galef wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:

 Galef wrote:
The more I see of this set, the more overwhelming it seems.
I was gonna get it, keep the Ranger, Traitor Guard & CSMs, and sell the rest.
But with just how much stuff comes with the box and it's overall price, I'm starting to think that might be a bit more than I want to deal with. Especially all the cardboard stuff that would basically be trash if I sell it piece-meal

At this point, I'll probably just keep my eye on Ebay for the Traitor Guard. If I can get some cheap, I'll bite.
For now, though I'm a bit more inspired to do my 40K Beastmen idea (Gors with CSM pistols and chainswords)

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You could wait. My bet is the traitor guard will be released on their own like the hostiles in Silver Tower. Could mean a Lost and the Damned line...

Probably, but "easy-to-build" models are often cheaper than regular box sets with options. On the flipside, limited-time only set, which this will likely be, also aren't cheap.
Time will tell, but the problem with that is that there isn't likely to be a window of time in which we'll know for sure.
By the time Traitor Guard have their own box set, Blackstone Fortress might be "off the market" and it would be just a expensive to order them on eBay as to just get them from GW.

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Ah well, fair enough I suppose. I'm waiting for that reason.

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

Odd how a bunch of people think the models aren't usable in the other games. Maybe they aren't Imperial guard or kill team players... (Well OK the drone thingy is hard to use in anything else...)

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

Odd how a bunch of people think the models aren't usable in the other games. Maybe they aren't Imperial guard or kill team players... (Well OK the drone thingy is hard to use in anything else...)

I think the issue is that there is such a variety of factions in the box, that 90% of the models are "unusable" for the player.
For example, it I only play Eldar, the Ranger is the only usable model in the set....for me. So spending the money on the whole set just for 1 model is not ideal
But aside from that, many of the models/units aren't usable due to min-squad sizes not being meant.
So even as an Eldar player, I can't use just 1 Ranger. I'll have to buy a box, so why bother with this set.

Now if you have several of the factions portrayed, this set is awesome, but otherwise most players will wait until the minis are sold piece-meal to get just what they want

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Initial reaction - meh, will wait and see.

Now having seen the Chaos models - must buy!

 Galef wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

Odd how a bunch of people think the models aren't usable in the other games. Maybe they aren't Imperial guard or kill team players... (Well OK the drone thingy is hard to use in anything else...)

I think the issue is that there is such a variety of factions in the box, that 90% of the models are "unusable" for the player.
For example, it I only play Eldar, the Ranger is the only usable model in the set....for me. So spending the money on the whole set just for 1 model is not ideal
But aside from that, many of the models/units aren't usable due to min-squad sizes not being meant.
So even as an Eldar player, I can't use just 1 Ranger. I'll have to buy a box, so why bother with this set.

Now if you have several of the factions portrayed, this set is awesome, but otherwise most players will wait until the minis are sold piece-meal to get just what they want

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The Blackstone fortress ranger it's priced at 50 points for 40k (wich is almost the same than a full squad) so i guess some models like her will count as characters and not as units.
A

Overkill had fixed units like 2 purestrain genestealers usable in 40K. It's crazy, people really don't remember the older boardgames ? They are not THAT old.

 Galef wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

Odd how a bunch of people think the models aren't usable in the other games. Maybe they aren't Imperial guard or kill team players... (Well OK the drone thingy is hard to use in anything else...)

I think the issue is that there is such a variety of factions in the box, that 90% of the models are "unusable" for the player.
*snip*

Now if you have several of the factions portrayed, this set is awesome, but otherwise most players will wait until the minis are sold piece-meal to get just what they want

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Yes I think I must fall into that category. If I didn't want to play the game very few of the models aren't usable by me. Ignoring my plethora of kill team teams and necromunda virtually everything bar the kroot, eldar, chaos marines and strange construct/aliens would fit into my guard or stealer cult stuff (which includes a far bit of militia and 'independant' regiments...).

I will be buying this day one.

It is a game I can play on my own or with my boardgaming loving but non-wargaming mates.


And I really like the models. A nice variety of different looks to paint up as a break from my regular armies.

I've pretty much given up on playing actual games of 40k, but GW has kept me going with things like Kill Team and Blackstone. They give me a chance to collect and paint a variety of different models, which is my favorite part of the hobby anyway. Kill team is amazing because I can paint up two teams and teach a friend to play, whereas painting two full 40k armies and trying to get one of my friends to sit through a game would be infeasible. I will definitely give this one a shot as well, for the same reasons. Even if the rules are lackluster a game you can actually play with your friends is always better than one you can't.

Plus, they had me sold at renegade guard models.

 Luciferian wrote:
I've pretty much given up on playing actual games of 40k, but GW has kept me going with things like Kill Team and Blackstone. They give me a chance to collect and paint a variety of different models, which is my favorite part of the hobby anyway. Kill team is amazing because I can paint up two teams and teach a friend to play, whereas painting two full 40k armies and trying to get one of my friends to sit through a game would be infeasible. I will definitely give this one a shot as well, for the same reasons. Even if the rules are lackluster a game you can actually play with your friends is always better than one you can't.

Plus, they had me sold at renegade guard models.

I feel the same, although I haven't taken the KT plunge yet. I'm still content playing small "regular" 40K games at home with my sons as they learn to play. My boys have finally gotten interested in painting, so I've been helping them with that

I keep going back and forth on BSF, but a recent life event has made it not feasible for me to get it anywhere near its release. I may be able to pick it up something next year (if I can find it anywhere), but more than likely, I'll just have to pick up the minis piece-meal through eBay.
My only concrete plan right now is to pick up some Beastmen Gors and model them with pistols and chainswords to add to my Cultists.

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 Galef wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
I've pretty much given up on playing actual games of 40k, but GW has kept me going with things like Kill Team and Blackstone. They give me a chance to collect and paint a variety of different models, which is my favorite part of the hobby anyway. Kill team is amazing because I can paint up two teams and teach a friend to play, whereas painting two full 40k armies and trying to get one of my friends to sit through a game would be infeasible. I will definitely give this one a shot as well, for the same reasons. Even if the rules are lackluster a game you can actually play with your friends is always better than one you can't.

Plus, they had me sold at renegade guard models.

I feel the same, although I haven't taken the KT plunge yet. I'm still content playing small "regular" 40K games at home with my sons as they learn to play. My boys have finally gotten interested in painting, so I've been helping them with that

I keep going back and forth on BSF, but a recent life event has made it not feasible for me to get it anywhere near its release. I may be able to pick it up something next year (if I can find it anywhere), but more than likely, I'll just have to pick up the minis piece-meal through eBay.
My only concrete plan right now is to pick up some Beastmen Gors and model them with pistols and chainswords to add to my Cultists.

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You should check out Kill Team. I think your kids would enjoy it and it makes for quick and easy games.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
You should check out Kill Team. I think your kids would enjoy it and it makes for quick and easy games.

My hesitation with KT is that:
A) I bought the 7E KT months before it became invalid due to 8E. Still a bit sore about it.
B) It doesn't seem to have a way to play without extra rules. I kinda just want to use the basic 40k rules and build on those as they learn, but KT adds a lot that just doesn't show up in regular 40K
C) My boys wanna use tanks

Right now, playing ~500pt games seems to go by about as fast as I've heard KT goes and we can use vehicles, which I don't think KT gets to use

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 Galef wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
You should check out Kill Team. I think your kids would enjoy it and it makes for quick and easy games.

My hesitation with KT is that:
A) I bought the 7E KT months before it became invalid due to 8E. Still a bit sore about it.
B) It doesn't seem to have a way to play without extra rules. I kinda just want to use the basic 40k rules and build on those as they learn, but KT adds a lot that just doesn't show up in regular 40K
C) My boys wanna use tanks

Right now, playing ~500pt games seems to go by about as fast as I've heard KT goes and we can use vehicles, which I don't think KT gets to use

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This would be correct. KT has no vehicles. It's also why I don't play KT, it's really got a lack of usable models.

Yea I do long for big explode-y things.

I don't do minigames from gw.

 Galef wrote:
I feel the same, although I haven't taken the KT plunge yet. I'm still content playing small "regular" 40K games at home with my sons as they learn to play. My boys have finally gotten interested in painting, so I've been helping them with that

I keep going back and forth on BSF, but a recent life event has made it not feasible for me to get it anywhere near its release. I may be able to pick it up something next year (if I can find it anywhere), but more than likely, I'll just have to pick up the minis piece-meal through eBay.
My only concrete plan right now is to pick up some Beastmen Gors and model them with pistols and chainswords to add to my Cultists.

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With any luck, they'll not just let one or two initial runs get sold out and then drop the game. Hopefully it will be easily available for a while.

Kill Team hits all the right notes for me, but I have always been a fan of regular infantry dudes and never really enjoyed vehicles. You could probably add in vehicles but you'd end up with one vehicle against full kill teams

 Luciferian wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I feel the same, although I haven't taken the KT plunge yet. I'm still content playing small "regular" 40K games at home with my sons as they learn to play. My boys have finally gotten interested in painting, so I've been helping them with that

I keep going back and forth on BSF, but a recent life event has made it not feasible for me to get it anywhere near its release. I may be able to pick it up something next year (if I can find it anywhere), but more than likely, I'll just have to pick up the minis piece-meal through eBay.
My only concrete plan right now is to pick up some Beastmen Gors and model them with pistols and chainswords to add to my Cultists.

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With any luck, they'll not just let one or two initial runs get sold out and then drop the game. Hopefully it will be easily available for a while.

Kill Team hits all the right notes for me, but I have always been a fan of regular infantry dudes and never really enjoyed vehicles. You could probably add in vehicles but you'd end up with one vehicle against full kill teams

Even within regular infantry dudes, I find the options kinda lame. I can't take a CSM with an Autocannon for example.

That I can agree with. Some factions have tons of options, some have very few of their normal codex options with no apparent justification. My existing DG models can use everything I modeled them with (which is at least one of every weapon in the book) but other factions have only one unit choice or conspicuously missing weapons.

I purchase my board games from game companies not model companies.

 Luciferian wrote:


With any luck, they'll not just let one or two initial runs get sold out and then drop the game. Hopefully it will be easily available for a while.

Kill Team hits all the right notes for me, but I have always been a fan of regular infantry dudes and never really enjoyed vehicles. You could probably add in vehicles but you'd end up with one vehicle against full kill teams

Have they ever made a board game where they don't just make 1-2 runs and then let it disappear forever? I've been grabbing Deathwatch Overkill boxes at FLGS whenever I see them and flipping them on ebay for $200+.

Unfortunately, they have not. On the other hand, games like Warhammer Underworlds and Kill Team have been receiving constant support and expansions, so we'll see if they can turn Warhammer Quest 40k into a similar line.

It looks like a cool game. But a couple things have me hesitant. I'm unsure I'll be able to find players for it...my only lgs is a games workshop dominated by the core gw games. Also, a solo player has to control four heroes and work out the enemy actions. That is alot of work for one player and seems like a drag. Two players already seems much more ideal. GW also talks about long term support but looking at how the age of sigmar whq were handled I am not sure I believe it. Positive aspects are some great models, visually the game looks stunning. I think I need to see some youtube play videos before I commit.

Also anyone have an idea on what size table is good for this cause I was hoping a 3x3 table would suffice.

 Thargrim wrote:
GW also talks about long term support but looking at how the age of sigmar whq were handled I am not sure I believe it. Positive aspects are some great models, visually the game looks stunning. I think I need to see some youtube play videos before I commit.

Silver Tower got lots of support. They're just not keeping it on the shelf right now. That doesn't mean they won't add more later on when the opportunity arises. Space Hulk has been on an off shelves multiple times itself.

I'm not sure if Hammerhal was a commercial flop, but Silver Tower did well.

At the end of the day GW won't sell something that isn't profitable, so, it will be a self fulfilling prophecy if people opt out.

Did anyone watch the how to play vid last night? (I missed it).
How did it feel?

I'll be picking this up at some point. Models look ace, and I've really enjoyed the recent boxed games gw have put out.

I got Silver Tower and the other box for AOS. I liked it well enough though I can't find anyone to play with because... no one is interested in doing anything other than the prime game.

I expect the same will be the same for this as well so I will be passing because I don't need more games in my house that I never get to play.

You know you can play it solo, right?

For those understandably worried about ongoing support?

It’s true AoS Quest needs more love. But looking at the effort and push on this one? I really do think it’s here to stay.

Even if it's not here to stay, the mechanics look deep enough to generate fan-produced add-ons. I could whip up copy-cat baddy cards for almost every unit in 40K if I wish. Also, have a stack of the Betrayal at Calth card tiles sitting around, and the hexes match the style and general rules of the WHQ box, etc.

I'd feel comfortable enough with fan support for a game like this. Actual GW support would be nice. I hope the depth that this game has over the AoS versions makes it more appealing and GW sees more sales than expected.

You could design and print out your own tiles on day one if you wanted to. The only drawback to fan-made content is that somebody has to play GM to make the stuff up, and it wouldn't be any kind of official revelation of any 40k mysteries or plot points. Still would be fun to throw a bunch more elements into the mix as far as procedural generation goes, though.

Just seen the models in the 'flesh' as it were. That Obsidius Mallex, or whatever he is called - it is the Chaos Lord, is a monster size wise.

The traitor guard look great too.

Understand why the explorers are in coloured plastic, to differentiate them from the baddies, but unpainted they look pretty naff - the colouring really causes a loss in detail. Even primed grey they would look much better.

I got excited for this box set until I heard that the renegade guard are mono pose... not interested anymore.

Darkmind wrote:
I got excited for this box set until I heard that the renegade guard are mono pose... not interested anymore.

They aren't monopose if you own a knife!

 Crimson wrote:

Darkmind wrote:
I got excited for this box set until I heard that the renegade guard are mono pose... not interested anymore.

They aren't monopose if you own a knife!

They are monoequipment,that's even worse.

Darkmind wrote:
I got excited for this box set until I heard that the renegade guard are mono pose... not interested anymore.

Well let's hope they release a box separate eh? I bet they will.

Wasn't really feeling this game tbh, until I platyed a demo game today in my flgs. Pre-ordered immediately afterwards. The tiles' aesthetic is great, the combat system played very well, and having a rummage through the cards, events, scenarios, etc., left me thinking that there's a lot of meat on the bone. Finally the character design blew me away, they all play very differently, and have great individual theme. Looking forward to playing some campaigns.