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I just want the Ranger and maybe the Chaos Marines.

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

My brother and I are still playing Hero Quest nearly 30 years later. Just introduced my sons to it. That was the bargain of the century for the amount of fun it's given us.

Crispy78 wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

My brother and I are still playing Hero Quest nearly 30 years later. Just introduced my sons to it. That was the bargain of the century for the amount of fun it's given us.

Key point: usually. Hero Quest may still be played, but how many of GW's board games have been forgotten by the end of the month?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

42 plus models for $150 along with the rest is a pretty good value.

It's good value by GW standards if you want a bunch of random 40k models that won't really function well in 40k.

It's terrible value for a board game even if by some happy accident the thousand monkeys on typewriters produce something playable this time.

 Peregrine wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

My brother and I are still playing Hero Quest nearly 30 years later. Just introduced my sons to it. That was the bargain of the century for the amount of fun it's given us.

Key point: usually. Hero Quest may still be played, but how many of GW's board games have been forgotten by the end of the month?

Blackstone looks closer to the HQ end of the spectrum than the Lost Patrol end, to me...


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But we'll see. Early days.

I am pretty stoked for this. I enjoyed Silver Tower and loved the models. I do put this on a different pedestal than some of GW's boardgames as they do appear to want to make Warhammer Quest a thing. They kept Silver Tower and Shadow of Hammerhal around for a good long time and offered expanded support with character cards and whatnot. That they are still keeping the Warhammer Quest name around means that they really want to make this a recurring thing. It is also a good thing as it would be a nice way to revisit resin models and/or add new special characters.

Also, this is a hint that we will be seeing a traitor guard release in the foreseeable future. Silver Tower, if I recall correctly, was an early release for the Kairic Acolytes and Tzeentch additions and such indicating a Traitor Guard and possibly Chaos Space Marine related release next year.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

42 plus models for $150 along with the rest is a pretty good value.

It's good value by GW standards if you want a bunch of random 40k models that won't really function well in 40k.

It's terrible value for a board game even if by some happy accident the thousand monkeys on typewriters produce something playable this time.

Not everyone buys things specifically for their army. In all likelihood they're probably the majority.

It is a hobby after all.

And it's not like you can't ebay the parts you won't use.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

42 plus models for $150 along with the rest is a pretty good value.

It's good value by GW standards if you want a bunch of random 40k models that won't really function well in 40k.

It's terrible value for a board game even if by some happy accident the thousand monkeys on typewriters produce something playable this time.

Not everyone buys things specifically for their army. In all likelihood they're probably the majority.

It is a hobby after all.

And it's not like you can't ebay the parts you won't use.

This. I just want all the chaos parts... the rest I can sell.

I was interested but just about had enough willpower to say no. And then found out that it could be played 1 player and appaelrentlyis procedurally generated, so infinite replay value.

Yes yes yes! Damnit!

I'm even contemplating converting my own stand ins for the sniper/broken leg lady and the preacher type.

 Galef wrote:

Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.

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Those are renegade guard - not cultists. I wouldn't expect these to be "cultists" in that sense, but they will certainly make an awesome stand-in for them.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.

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Those are renegade guard - not cultists. I wouldn't expect these to be "cultists" in that sense, but they will certainly make an awesome stand-in for them.

Ye. There was already a point leaks for them, they are 5 ppm. With Rogue pyskers, Traitor Guardsmen, Beastmen and Darkmech cultists, I have to hope this means lost and the damned list.

Sir Heckington wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.

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Those are renegade guard - not cultists. I wouldn't expect these to be "cultists" in that sense, but they will certainly make an awesome stand-in for them.

Ye. There was already a point leaks for them, they are 5 ppm. With Rogue pyskers, Traitor Guardsmen, Beastmen and Darkmech cultists, I have to hope this means lost and the damned list.

Likely, but still maybe 6 months or more before they try and really make that happen.

5 point IS seem likely for CA, too.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.

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Those are renegade guard - not cultists. I wouldn't expect these to be "cultists" in that sense, but they will certainly make an awesome stand-in for them.

Ye. There was already a point leaks for them, they are 5 ppm. With Rogue pyskers, Traitor Guardsmen, Beastmen and Darkmech cultists, I have to hope this means lost and the damned list.

Likely, but still maybe 6 months or more before they try and really make that happen.

5 point IS seem likely for CA, too.

For sure. Silver tower had it's hostiles as seperate releases, I expect this one to be the same.

 chromedog wrote:
For $260?
Yeah, USA gets it for $150, we got slugged substantially more (don't even ask what Titanicus goes for).

My thoughts as well. Some of the price conversions over here is just mind boggling and not even close.

Will be camping out ebay for a few days after release to try and pick up a few of the models I'm after. The Ranger would make a great Illic proxy

Sir Heckington wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.

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Those are renegade guard - not cultists. I wouldn't expect these to be "cultists" in that sense, but they will certainly make an awesome stand-in for them.

Ye. There was already a point leaks for them, they are 5 ppm. With Rogue pyskers, Traitor Guardsmen, Beastmen and Darkmech cultists, I have to hope this means lost and the damned list.

Actually I'm curious if they are 5 ppm...because the squad is seven, includes wargear - which means a flamer. However, at the normal 9 points, a flamer and 7x 4 ppm guard = 37 points. Perhaps they are 4 points still, and the flamer has been dropped to 7 points instead?

 Elbows wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.

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Those are renegade guard - not cultists. I wouldn't expect these to be "cultists" in that sense, but they will certainly make an awesome stand-in for them.

Ye. There was already a point leaks for them, they are 5 ppm. With Rogue pyskers, Traitor Guardsmen, Beastmen and Darkmech cultists, I have to hope this means lost and the damned list.

Actually I'm curious if they are 5 ppm...because the squad is seven, includes wargear - which means a flamer. However, at the normal 9 points, a flamer and 7x 4 ppm guard = 37 points. Perhaps they are 4 points still, and the flamer has been dropped to 7 points instead?

Well, what's the total cost? Each of those configurations comes to a different point total.
7 * 5 + 9 = 42
7 * 5 + 7 = 40
7 * 4 + 9 = 37
7 * 4 + 7 = 35

Anyway, it's just a thought - because it states on the leak for the points cost that they include the wargear. Who knows, I think a 7 point flamer is more likely than a 5 point traitor guard (though proper guard might be 5 ppm because of their availability of orders, etc.).

We shall see.

 Elbows wrote:
Anyway, it's just a thought - because it states on the leak for the points cost that they include the wargear. Who knows, I think a 7 point flamer is more likely than a 5 point traitor guard (though proper guard might be 5 ppm because of their availability of orders, etc.).

We shall see.

Flamers are 7 points in the AM book.

Ah...well, that settles that then. At least at the moment, traitor guard cost what normal guard do

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

42 plus models for $150 along with the rest is a pretty good value.

It's good value by GW standards if you want a bunch of random 40k models that won't really function well in 40k.

It's terrible value for a board game even if by some happy accident the thousand monkeys on typewriters produce something playable this time.

Sadly, this. GW can make some damn lovely models, but their boardgame rules and prices are trash. Hoping down the line I can pick up a cheap copy - maybe a Black Friday sale (next year) or something.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Not everyone buys things specifically for their army. In all likelihood they're probably the majority.

It is a hobby after all.

I'm excited for the miniatures alone, which have great potential for stuff like Necromunda or Inq28. Stuff like this and KT: Rogue Trade are an absolute goldmine for the skirmish game side of things. I appreciate that some people wouldn't want to spend money on stuff that they couldn't use in their 40k army, but it's not like this is a release specifically for 8th ed. 40k armies.

 Peregrine wrote:
Nope, nothing but apathy here. It's a really expensive board game that hardly anyone is going to play and probably won't be supported by GW for more than a week, with models that are likely to be marginal at best as 40k kits and may or may not be available to buy separately. Buying it would just be wasting money on a bunch of cardboard that is going straight into the trash. But hey, the models are cool, so maybe they'll get a separate release without the pretense that this is an independent game.

The only counter to this is the fact that it's marketed under the "Warhammer Quest" line. I expect to see a few minor expansions and maybe an additional special character or two before they let Blackstone Fortress die due to inactive/slow sales.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Cultist that actually look like former Guardsmen? About dang time.

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Those are renegade guard - not cultists. I wouldn't expect these to be "cultists" in that sense, but they will certainly make an awesome stand-in for them.

Ye. There was already a point leaks for them, they are 5 ppm. With Rogue pyskers, Traitor Guardsmen, Beastmen and Darkmech cultists, I have to hope this means lost and the damned list.

Likely, but still maybe 6 months or more before they try and really make that happen.

5 point IS seem likely for CA, too.

The negavolt dudes are more difficult though, they are 45 /4 so there is some piece of equipment in there that costs atleast a 1 pt.

The lords price though is something of an oddity.

The more I see of this set, the more overwhelming it seems.
I was gonna get it, keep the Ranger, Traitor Guard & CSMs, and sell the rest.
But with just how much stuff comes with the box and it's overall price, I'm starting to think that might be a bit more than I want to deal with. Especially all the cardboard stuff that would basically be trash if I sell it piece-meal

At this point, I'll probably just keep my eye on Ebay for the Traitor Guard. If I can get some cheap, I'll bite.
For now, though I'm a bit more inspired to do my 40K Beastmen idea (Gors with CSM pistols and chainswords)

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 Galef wrote:
The more I see of this set, the more overwhelming it seems.
I was gonna get it, keep the Ranger, Traitor Guard & CSMs, and sell the rest.
But with just how much stuff comes with the box and it's overall price, I'm starting to think that might be a bit more than I want to deal with. Especially all the cardboard stuff that would basically be trash if I sell it piece-meal

At this point, I'll probably just keep my eye on Ebay for the Traitor Guard. If I can get some cheap, I'll bite.
For now, though I'm a bit more inspired to do my 40K Beastmen idea (Gors with CSM pistols and chainswords)

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You could wait. My bet is the traitor guard will be released on their own like the hostiles in Silver Tower. Could mean a Lost and the Damned line...

Sir Heckington wrote:

 Galef wrote:
The more I see of this set, the more overwhelming it seems.
I was gonna get it, keep the Ranger, Traitor Guard & CSMs, and sell the rest.
But with just how much stuff comes with the box and it's overall price, I'm starting to think that might be a bit more than I want to deal with. Especially all the cardboard stuff that would basically be trash if I sell it piece-meal

At this point, I'll probably just keep my eye on Ebay for the Traitor Guard. If I can get some cheap, I'll bite.
For now, though I'm a bit more inspired to do my 40K Beastmen idea (Gors with CSM pistols and chainswords)

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You could wait. My bet is the traitor guard will be released on their own like the hostiles in Silver Tower. Could mean a Lost and the Damned line...

Probably, but "easy-to-build" models are often cheaper than regular box sets with options. On the flipside, limited-time only set, which this will likely be, also aren't cheap.
Time will tell, but the problem with that is that there isn't likely to be a window of time in which we'll know for sure.
By the time Traitor Guard have their own box set, Blackstone Fortress might be "off the market" and it would be just a expensive to order them on eBay as to just get them from GW.

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 Galef wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:

 Galef wrote:
The more I see of this set, the more overwhelming it seems.
I was gonna get it, keep the Ranger, Traitor Guard & CSMs, and sell the rest.
But with just how much stuff comes with the box and it's overall price, I'm starting to think that might be a bit more than I want to deal with. Especially all the cardboard stuff that would basically be trash if I sell it piece-meal

At this point, I'll probably just keep my eye on Ebay for the Traitor Guard. If I can get some cheap, I'll bite.
For now, though I'm a bit more inspired to do my 40K Beastmen idea (Gors with CSM pistols and chainswords)

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You could wait. My bet is the traitor guard will be released on their own like the hostiles in Silver Tower. Could mean a Lost and the Damned line...

Probably, but "easy-to-build" models are often cheaper than regular box sets with options. On the flipside, limited-time only set, which this will likely be, also aren't cheap.
Time will tell, but the problem with that is that there isn't likely to be a window of time in which we'll know for sure.
By the time Traitor Guard have their own box set, Blackstone Fortress might be "off the market" and it would be just a expensive to order them on eBay as to just get them from GW.

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Ah well, fair enough I suppose. I'm waiting for that reason.

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

Odd how a bunch of people think the models aren't usable in the other games. Maybe they aren't Imperial guard or kill team players... (Well OK the drone thingy is hard to use in anything else...)

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

Odd how a bunch of people think the models aren't usable in the other games. Maybe they aren't Imperial guard or kill team players... (Well OK the drone thingy is hard to use in anything else...)

I think the issue is that there is such a variety of factions in the box, that 90% of the models are "unusable" for the player.
For example, it I only play Eldar, the Ranger is the only usable model in the set....for me. So spending the money on the whole set just for 1 model is not ideal
But aside from that, many of the models/units aren't usable due to min-squad sizes not being meant.
So even as an Eldar player, I can't use just 1 Ranger. I'll have to buy a box, so why bother with this set.

Now if you have several of the factions portrayed, this set is awesome, but otherwise most players will wait until the minis are sold piece-meal to get just what they want

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Initial reaction - meh, will wait and see.

Now having seen the Chaos models - must buy!