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 Galef wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

Odd how a bunch of people think the models aren't usable in the other games. Maybe they aren't Imperial guard or kill team players... (Well OK the drone thingy is hard to use in anything else...)

I think the issue is that there is such a variety of factions in the box, that 90% of the models are "unusable" for the player.
For example, it I only play Eldar, the Ranger is the only usable model in the set....for me. So spending the money on the whole set just for 1 model is not ideal
But aside from that, many of the models/units aren't usable due to min-squad sizes not being meant.
So even as an Eldar player, I can't use just 1 Ranger. I'll have to buy a box, so why bother with this set.

Now if you have several of the factions portrayed, this set is awesome, but otherwise most players will wait until the minis are sold piece-meal to get just what they want

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The Blackstone fortress ranger it's priced at 50 points for 40k (wich is almost the same than a full squad) so i guess some models like her will count as characters and not as units.
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Overkill had fixed units like 2 purestrain genestealers usable in 40K. It's crazy, people really don't remember the older boardgames ? They are not THAT old.

 Galef wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
GW board games are usually very expensive for little replay value. This one compounds the problem by having models that aren't usable in the core games. While the models look extremely cool, I can't justify spending money on it.

Odd how a bunch of people think the models aren't usable in the other games. Maybe they aren't Imperial guard or kill team players... (Well OK the drone thingy is hard to use in anything else...)

I think the issue is that there is such a variety of factions in the box, that 90% of the models are "unusable" for the player.
*snip*

Now if you have several of the factions portrayed, this set is awesome, but otherwise most players will wait until the minis are sold piece-meal to get just what they want

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Yes I think I must fall into that category. If I didn't want to play the game very few of the models aren't usable by me. Ignoring my plethora of kill team teams and necromunda virtually everything bar the kroot, eldar, chaos marines and strange construct/aliens would fit into my guard or stealer cult stuff (which includes a far bit of militia and 'independant' regiments...).

I will be buying this day one.

It is a game I can play on my own or with my boardgaming loving but non-wargaming mates.


And I really like the models. A nice variety of different looks to paint up as a break from my regular armies.

I've pretty much given up on playing actual games of 40k, but GW has kept me going with things like Kill Team and Blackstone. They give me a chance to collect and paint a variety of different models, which is my favorite part of the hobby anyway. Kill team is amazing because I can paint up two teams and teach a friend to play, whereas painting two full 40k armies and trying to get one of my friends to sit through a game would be infeasible. I will definitely give this one a shot as well, for the same reasons. Even if the rules are lackluster a game you can actually play with your friends is always better than one you can't.

Plus, they had me sold at renegade guard models.

 Luciferian wrote:
I've pretty much given up on playing actual games of 40k, but GW has kept me going with things like Kill Team and Blackstone. They give me a chance to collect and paint a variety of different models, which is my favorite part of the hobby anyway. Kill team is amazing because I can paint up two teams and teach a friend to play, whereas painting two full 40k armies and trying to get one of my friends to sit through a game would be infeasible. I will definitely give this one a shot as well, for the same reasons. Even if the rules are lackluster a game you can actually play with your friends is always better than one you can't.

Plus, they had me sold at renegade guard models.

I feel the same, although I haven't taken the KT plunge yet. I'm still content playing small "regular" 40K games at home with my sons as they learn to play. My boys have finally gotten interested in painting, so I've been helping them with that

I keep going back and forth on BSF, but a recent life event has made it not feasible for me to get it anywhere near its release. I may be able to pick it up something next year (if I can find it anywhere), but more than likely, I'll just have to pick up the minis piece-meal through eBay.
My only concrete plan right now is to pick up some Beastmen Gors and model them with pistols and chainswords to add to my Cultists.

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 Galef wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
I've pretty much given up on playing actual games of 40k, but GW has kept me going with things like Kill Team and Blackstone. They give me a chance to collect and paint a variety of different models, which is my favorite part of the hobby anyway. Kill team is amazing because I can paint up two teams and teach a friend to play, whereas painting two full 40k armies and trying to get one of my friends to sit through a game would be infeasible. I will definitely give this one a shot as well, for the same reasons. Even if the rules are lackluster a game you can actually play with your friends is always better than one you can't.

Plus, they had me sold at renegade guard models.

I feel the same, although I haven't taken the KT plunge yet. I'm still content playing small "regular" 40K games at home with my sons as they learn to play. My boys have finally gotten interested in painting, so I've been helping them with that

I keep going back and forth on BSF, but a recent life event has made it not feasible for me to get it anywhere near its release. I may be able to pick it up something next year (if I can find it anywhere), but more than likely, I'll just have to pick up the minis piece-meal through eBay.
My only concrete plan right now is to pick up some Beastmen Gors and model them with pistols and chainswords to add to my Cultists.

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You should check out Kill Team. I think your kids would enjoy it and it makes for quick and easy games.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
You should check out Kill Team. I think your kids would enjoy it and it makes for quick and easy games.

My hesitation with KT is that:
A) I bought the 7E KT months before it became invalid due to 8E. Still a bit sore about it.
B) It doesn't seem to have a way to play without extra rules. I kinda just want to use the basic 40k rules and build on those as they learn, but KT adds a lot that just doesn't show up in regular 40K
C) My boys wanna use tanks

Right now, playing ~500pt games seems to go by about as fast as I've heard KT goes and we can use vehicles, which I don't think KT gets to use

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 Galef wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
You should check out Kill Team. I think your kids would enjoy it and it makes for quick and easy games.

My hesitation with KT is that:
A) I bought the 7E KT months before it became invalid due to 8E. Still a bit sore about it.
B) It doesn't seem to have a way to play without extra rules. I kinda just want to use the basic 40k rules and build on those as they learn, but KT adds a lot that just doesn't show up in regular 40K
C) My boys wanna use tanks

Right now, playing ~500pt games seems to go by about as fast as I've heard KT goes and we can use vehicles, which I don't think KT gets to use

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This would be correct. KT has no vehicles. It's also why I don't play KT, it's really got a lack of usable models.

Yea I do long for big explode-y things.

I don't do minigames from gw.

 Galef wrote:
I feel the same, although I haven't taken the KT plunge yet. I'm still content playing small "regular" 40K games at home with my sons as they learn to play. My boys have finally gotten interested in painting, so I've been helping them with that

I keep going back and forth on BSF, but a recent life event has made it not feasible for me to get it anywhere near its release. I may be able to pick it up something next year (if I can find it anywhere), but more than likely, I'll just have to pick up the minis piece-meal through eBay.
My only concrete plan right now is to pick up some Beastmen Gors and model them with pistols and chainswords to add to my Cultists.

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With any luck, they'll not just let one or two initial runs get sold out and then drop the game. Hopefully it will be easily available for a while.

Kill Team hits all the right notes for me, but I have always been a fan of regular infantry dudes and never really enjoyed vehicles. You could probably add in vehicles but you'd end up with one vehicle against full kill teams

 Luciferian wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I feel the same, although I haven't taken the KT plunge yet. I'm still content playing small "regular" 40K games at home with my sons as they learn to play. My boys have finally gotten interested in painting, so I've been helping them with that

I keep going back and forth on BSF, but a recent life event has made it not feasible for me to get it anywhere near its release. I may be able to pick it up something next year (if I can find it anywhere), but more than likely, I'll just have to pick up the minis piece-meal through eBay.
My only concrete plan right now is to pick up some Beastmen Gors and model them with pistols and chainswords to add to my Cultists.

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With any luck, they'll not just let one or two initial runs get sold out and then drop the game. Hopefully it will be easily available for a while.

Kill Team hits all the right notes for me, but I have always been a fan of regular infantry dudes and never really enjoyed vehicles. You could probably add in vehicles but you'd end up with one vehicle against full kill teams

Even within regular infantry dudes, I find the options kinda lame. I can't take a CSM with an Autocannon for example.

That I can agree with. Some factions have tons of options, some have very few of their normal codex options with no apparent justification. My existing DG models can use everything I modeled them with (which is at least one of every weapon in the book) but other factions have only one unit choice or conspicuously missing weapons.

I purchase my board games from game companies not model companies.

 Luciferian wrote:


With any luck, they'll not just let one or two initial runs get sold out and then drop the game. Hopefully it will be easily available for a while.

Kill Team hits all the right notes for me, but I have always been a fan of regular infantry dudes and never really enjoyed vehicles. You could probably add in vehicles but you'd end up with one vehicle against full kill teams

Have they ever made a board game where they don't just make 1-2 runs and then let it disappear forever? I've been grabbing Deathwatch Overkill boxes at FLGS whenever I see them and flipping them on ebay for $200+.

Unfortunately, they have not. On the other hand, games like Warhammer Underworlds and Kill Team have been receiving constant support and expansions, so we'll see if they can turn Warhammer Quest 40k into a similar line.

It looks like a cool game. But a couple things have me hesitant. I'm unsure I'll be able to find players for it...my only lgs is a games workshop dominated by the core gw games. Also, a solo player has to control four heroes and work out the enemy actions. That is alot of work for one player and seems like a drag. Two players already seems much more ideal. GW also talks about long term support but looking at how the age of sigmar whq were handled I am not sure I believe it. Positive aspects are some great models, visually the game looks stunning. I think I need to see some youtube play videos before I commit.

Also anyone have an idea on what size table is good for this cause I was hoping a 3x3 table would suffice.

 Thargrim wrote:
GW also talks about long term support but looking at how the age of sigmar whq were handled I am not sure I believe it. Positive aspects are some great models, visually the game looks stunning. I think I need to see some youtube play videos before I commit.

Silver Tower got lots of support. They're just not keeping it on the shelf right now. That doesn't mean they won't add more later on when the opportunity arises. Space Hulk has been on an off shelves multiple times itself.

I'm not sure if Hammerhal was a commercial flop, but Silver Tower did well.

At the end of the day GW won't sell something that isn't profitable, so, it will be a self fulfilling prophecy if people opt out.

Did anyone watch the how to play vid last night? (I missed it).
How did it feel?

I'll be picking this up at some point. Models look ace, and I've really enjoyed the recent boxed games gw have put out.

I got Silver Tower and the other box for AOS. I liked it well enough though I can't find anyone to play with because... no one is interested in doing anything other than the prime game.

I expect the same will be the same for this as well so I will be passing because I don't need more games in my house that I never get to play.

You know you can play it solo, right?

For those understandably worried about ongoing support?

It’s true AoS Quest needs more love. But looking at the effort and push on this one? I really do think it’s here to stay.

Even if it's not here to stay, the mechanics look deep enough to generate fan-produced add-ons. I could whip up copy-cat baddy cards for almost every unit in 40K if I wish. Also, have a stack of the Betrayal at Calth card tiles sitting around, and the hexes match the style and general rules of the WHQ box, etc.

I'd feel comfortable enough with fan support for a game like this. Actual GW support would be nice. I hope the depth that this game has over the AoS versions makes it more appealing and GW sees more sales than expected.

You could design and print out your own tiles on day one if you wanted to. The only drawback to fan-made content is that somebody has to play GM to make the stuff up, and it wouldn't be any kind of official revelation of any 40k mysteries or plot points. Still would be fun to throw a bunch more elements into the mix as far as procedural generation goes, though.

Just seen the models in the 'flesh' as it were. That Obsidius Mallex, or whatever he is called - it is the Chaos Lord, is a monster size wise.

The traitor guard look great too.

Understand why the explorers are in coloured plastic, to differentiate them from the baddies, but unpainted they look pretty naff - the colouring really causes a loss in detail. Even primed grey they would look much better.

I got excited for this box set until I heard that the renegade guard are mono pose... not interested anymore.

Darkmind wrote:
I got excited for this box set until I heard that the renegade guard are mono pose... not interested anymore.

They aren't monopose if you own a knife!

 Crimson wrote:

Darkmind wrote:
I got excited for this box set until I heard that the renegade guard are mono pose... not interested anymore.

They aren't monopose if you own a knife!

They are monoequipment,that's even worse.