Not replacing the Terminator Captain, unsure if Terminator Chaplain will remain available.



Will be available in-store for re-brandings, new openings, and relocations.

Price unconfirmed at this time. And yes, the Loot Group will be happy to help where possible. Debut is at Warhammer Ballarat, 30th March 2019.

That head! It is so tiny and weird looking! Otherwise it is a cool model, but I really don't get how that head could be sculpted my the same person that did the rest of the model. Oh well, a simple headswap would fix this.

I'm not sure if it's the head or the paintjob. Will need to see the bare material first. But yeah, will be using the group for this one Doc.

That's a pretty nice model but yeah, there's something...off about that head.

Could be that the skirt makes the torso look a bit longer, and the head smaller by comparison? But there's something weirdly unflattering going on with some combination of the paint job/expression, too.

I think it's a combination of not a very good head, and the weird armor: the solid piece ab armor that fits inside the chest part is long to begin with and then after recognizing that it's not skin tight makes her already long torso even thinner. There's nowhere for her ribs, really. I'm no armor expert, but that looks like it would be insanely uncomfortable.

I really like that. It would make a cool base for an Inquisitor.

That...is one unattractive miniature.

There's nothing wrong with the size of the head, but the paint job is doing it no favours.

Looks fine zoomed in, but it does look under detailed if you don't bother clicking on the picture.


But it seems pointless to restrict it to store openings only. Just sell models, GW. Your attempts sales gimmicks are terrible.

Face looks oddly highlighted. Perhaps we’re just used to the cheekbones defined on female models?

Other angles are good though...

That's a good looking model. It has a LOT of potential for an Inquisitor, or Rogue Trader conversion.

I want one.

Sculpt looks fine to me.

Did someone forgot to paint sword-side gauntlet?

I agree with spiralingcadaver, she looks comically thin under that armour. Also, her pose looks a bit unnatural as she is forced to lean forward by dumb platform high heels all female stormcast have for some weird reason. She isn't first, to be fair, but pretty much every stormcast woman so far that isn't running forward has to lean in weird direction thanks to these silly shoes...

Constantly annoyed that GW:

A.) Has exclusive models available only at store openings or anniversaries/conventions/etc.
B.) Can pump out these exclusives regularly but can't be bothered to move stuff from failcast to plastic.

They must have a small mold machine only for character models and use downtime on it to push out these things, but they still cost money to make the molds and have to basically be a promotional write-off.

They’re not a write-off if they sell them to people, as they do, and if they get people to attend their stores/events and spend even more money.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
They’re not a write-off if they sell them to people, as they do, and if they get people to attend their stores/events and spend even more money.

They sell them, sure, but probably not in the volumes necessary to profit directly from them in the short term. Steel molds still aren't cheap to make.

Maybe 'Write-off" is the wrong term - "Loss Leader" might be better.

That’s one ugly chick. Maybe there’s a helmeted option.

 John Prins wrote:
They sell them, sure, but probably not in the volumes necessary to profit directly from them in the short term. Steel molds still aren't cheap to make.

Maybe 'Write-off" is the wrong term - "Loss Leader" might be better.

Well, the aim is not to specifically make money off these miniatures directly, but to drive in-store purchases. I'd imagine that if that strategy didn't work at all, they'd have given it up already. I mean, while it is often a joke, I see people saying how they went into the store for X and came out with X+Y+Z+half of a kitchen sink. So, it's not implausible to me that the "average" buyer of these in-store exclusives do indeed spend some meaningful percentage more than just that mini's price.

When I worked in retail, this was why they were usually fairly happy to give discounts in the form of "gift cards" for that store. It was something like half the people that would spend twice as much back into the store than what was on the card and a still significant amount of people that would spend even more. The people who would exact it are likely only somewhat more numerous than they people who would just never use it. It's all about driving store traffic, basically.

 Irbis wrote:
Did someone forgot to paint sword-side gauntlet?

I agree with spiralingcadaver, she looks comically thin under that armour. Also, her pose looks a bit unnatural as she is forced to lean forward by dumb platform high heels all female stormcast have for some weird reason. She isn't first, to be fair, but pretty much every stormcast woman so far that isn't running forward has to lean in weird direction thanks to these silly shoes...

The Warhammer Community article mentions that she has lost her gauntlet in a previous battle so was a design decision.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/19/coming-to-a-store-opening-near-you-leena-stormspire/

 John Prins wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
They’re not a write-off if they sell them to people, as they do, and if they get people to attend their stores/events and spend even more money.

They sell them, sure, but probably not in the volumes necessary to profit directly from them in the short term. Steel molds still aren't cheap to make.

Maybe 'Write-off" is the wrong term - "Loss Leader" might be better.

At £20 a time for a sprue costing pence, and at the volumes they produce, I’f still put my money on them being a moneyspinner not a loss leader.

So I like the model and its extra 'I'm a unit champion!' details. But one small flaw is that models holding weapons out like that are difficult to physically put into melee on the table since they keep poking other models.

But there is one big flaw in WTH is wrong with her face!?

 JohnnyHell wrote:

At £20 a time for a sprue costing pence, and at the volumes they produce, I’f still put my money on them being a moneyspinner not a loss leader.

It's possible, I suppose, but remember that the big costs is in design (CAD time) and making the mold, which can run tens of thousands of pounds. For something available for sale one day a year (per store) doesn't drive huge volumes. I'm sure GW knows how long it will take to break even, and the molds can last for decades.

But as H mentions, they drive other sales, which is exactly what a loss leader is supposed to do.

Yeah....I'll be joining the Loot Group...I like this one, and I'm tired of missing out...

*Edit* I'm not in Canada, durn it...I'm in Texas!

 John Prins wrote:
It's possible, I suppose, but remember that the big costs is in design (CAD time) and making the mold, which can run tens of thousands of pounds. For something available for sale one day a year (per store) doesn't drive huge volumes. I'm sure GW knows how long it will take to break even, and the molds can last for decades.

But as H mentions, they drive other sales, which is exactly what a loss leader is supposed to do.

I imagine that boxes like Shadowspear are also likely in the same boat. Over time, they probably end up rather neutral in profit itself, but likely have a net-positive effect on cross-merchandise revenue that justifies the "high" initial costs and low reuseability of the molds of the box sets. In other words, if the box "breaks even" with it's own sale's profit, it's likely a massive success overall.

The same likely goes for these in-store deals.

 H wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
It's possible, I suppose, but remember that the big costs is in design (CAD time) and making the mold, which can run tens of thousands of pounds. For something available for sale one day a year (per store) doesn't drive huge volumes. I'm sure GW knows how long it will take to break even, and the molds can last for decades.

But as H mentions, they drive other sales, which is exactly what a loss leader is supposed to do.

I imagine that boxes like Shadowspear are also likely in the same boat. Over time, they probably end up rather neutral in profit itself, but likely have a net-positive effect on cross-merchandise revenue that justifies the "high" initial costs and low reuseability of the molds of the box sets. In other words, if the box "breaks even" with it's own sale's profit, it's likely a massive success overall.

The same likely goes for these in-store deals.

I think Shadowspear (and Dark Imperium) shift huge volumes, which makes for great economies of scale. They might even end up being more profitable than other new releases despite the 'discount' vs their regular pricing.

You can make moulds of softer metals that are substantially cheaper but don't last nearly as long so it wouldn't surprise me if at least some of these LE models are done that way, add that to in house sculpting using assets that are already done at least in part and these will be a lot cheaper to do than you might think

and even at say, 5 minis sold per store per year (i'd say that pretty conservative) that's 3000 which is £60, 000 (well more actually as other regions are priced at above the normal conversion rate)

That's a funny lookin' Primaris Lieutenant.

All right! Female custodeus!


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 Osis wrote:
Yeah....I'll be joining the Loot Group...I like this one, and I'm tired of missing out...

*Edit* I'm not in Canada, durn it...I'm in Texas!

You mean North Mexico?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So I like the model and its extra 'I'm a unit champion!' details. But one small flaw is that models holding weapons out like that are difficult to physically put into melee on the table since they keep poking other models.

But there is one big flaw in WTH is wrong with her face!?

Removing the defined bags under her eyes helps considerably...

Not really.

Yeah, not really.

But there are some alternatives out there.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not replacing the Terminator Captain, unsure if Terminator Chaplain will remain available.

Will be available in-store for re-brandings, new openings, and relocations.

Price unconfirmed at this time. And yes, the Loot Group will be happy to help where possible. Debut is at Warhammer Ballarat, 30th March 2019.

Do want! Loot Group? Tell me more

40k Warhammer and general Wargames Trip Loot Sharing

It's a Facebook group started specifically to fight against scalpers on eBay selling limited minis for stupid prices.

There. Fixed.

Nope, lumpy painting, puffy features, and weird proportions aren't fixed much by softening the features. Still better, but not great.

Is the chaplain sticking around or should I make extra effort to get one now?

The backlash on FB was pretty harsh.

It's long past time to leave this practice of "store" only releases in the past. I'm hoping someone took note of the anger over this.

Oh goody, I can't wait to read the inevitable thinkpieces about how this is evidence we're a hobby filled with basement-dwelling man-trogs regardless of the actual context.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Oh goody, I can't wait to read the inevitable thinkpieces about how this is evidence we're a hobby filled with basement-dwelling man-trogs regardless of the actual context.

Well, it was kept pretty respectful tbh.

Mostly people really wanted to get across the point that hundreds of us want the model, but we can't get it.

We want to give you money, but GW wants to not take it. Strange.

 Togusa wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Oh goody, I can't wait to read the inevitable thinkpieces about how this is evidence we're a hobby filled with basement-dwelling man-trogs regardless of the actual context.

Well, it was kept pretty respectful tbh.

Mostly people really wanted to get across the point that hundreds of us want the model, but we can't get it.

We want to give you money, but GW wants to not take it. Strange.

To be fair, they did say that it also will be available at "refurbishing" and "renaming".

Wasn't there something awhile ago about them wanting to rebrand all their shops to "Warhammer" stores instead of Games Workshop?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Oh goody, I can't wait to read the inevitable thinkpieces about how this is evidence we're a hobby filled with basement-dwelling man-trogs regardless of the actual context.

Well, it was kept pretty respectful tbh.

Mostly people really wanted to get across the point that hundreds of us want the model, but we can't get it.

We want to give you money, but GW wants to not take it. Strange.

To be fair, they did say that it also will be available at "refurbishing" and "renaming".

Wasn't there something awhile ago about them wanting to rebrand all their shops to "Warhammer" stores instead of Games Workshop?

The closest Games Workshop store to me is over 200 miles away. That was the chief complaint from many people.

What I think of anytime someone complains about exclusives of some sort:

You think of crappy unfunny webcomics?

It's a scarily accurate depiction of internet collector communities, so yes.

How dare people want to purchase things.

How dare companies want to incentivize increased attendance.

At one store at a time... scattered all over the world.

If they had in-store only products available everywhere then you might have a point.

At specific events at those specific stores, yes. Seriously, you knew that and just wanted to be argumentatively obtuse.

Argumentative? Maybe. Obtuse? Not at all.

But I don't see why offering in-store only products at all stores is a problem. If the idea is to incentivise people to go to the store, then why not do it in all stores?

FWIW, as someone with both a GW in town and a somewhat busy life, every time there's been an exclusive there, I've thought about it for a while, and settled on not buying it, feeling vaguely resentful that I need to meet their timeline etc. While I might not have been tempted to buy some (that I still didn't), there are a few that I would very much have liked to buy, but an overpriced promo wasn't getting me into the store.

Maybe if GW made those promos on the cheap side, so they really were a loss leader, they might have motivated me to get in to pick up something cool and impulse buy some other stuff, but $30+ is a decent night out, buying a book/movie or two, or, in the most direct comparison, a good chunk of other board game content. The minor stress of an impulse buy decision always has me choosing not to at their prices.

As I said, the idea is to incentivize people to go to the event, not just the store. Hell, it's already pulled me into at least 3 of these things over various years.

 Platuan4th wrote:
As I said, the idea is to incentivize people to go to the event, not just the store. Hell, it's already pulled me into at least 3 of these things over various years.

I don't play modern 40K or AOS, so there'd have to be one hell of an event to lure me in. Sad, since some models I'd love to have, like the Chaplain or Captain.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
FWIW, as someone with both a GW in town and a somewhat busy life, every time there's been an exclusive there, I've thought about it for a while, and settled on not buying it, feeling vaguely resentful that I need to meet their timeline etc. While I might not have been tempted to buy some (that I still didn't), there are a few that I would very much have liked to buy, but an overpriced promo wasn't getting me into the store.

This. There are a few GW's within about an hour of me, but I'm rarely actually passing any of them and usually take the kids out somewhere on Saturdays (launch days), so it's really hard getting to a particular store on a particular day (and my local is a 1-man so it's often closed for an hour midday too). They've now also all been opened/refurbished/moved so I'm probably looking at a 2 hour round trip to pick up a figure and I probably couldn't justify that even if the figure was free.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
40k Warhammer and general Wargames Trip Loot Sharing

It's a Facebook group started specifically to fight against scalpers on eBay selling limited minis for stupid prices.

Awesome, thank you.

GaroRobe wrote:
Is the chaplain sticking around or should I make extra effort to get one now?

we know the captain isn't going away, but we don't know about the chaplain (which might suggest you'd be better off trying to get one now just in case)

If only some dashingly handsome Interwebular Cretain had founded a FB group to help thwart Scalpers....they could do a run to Reading's rebranding, bagging nearly 120 exclusive models for people, at strict cost!

What a world that would be

As for the Chaplain? We don't know at the moment.

Oh cool, when's the rebranding happening Doc? Are they going to get the new model in do you know?

Reading was last year, when I absolutely rinsed them (they were happy!)

Next one near to me, I don't know. But, my local Store is on the list for a general refurb, so could be going Warhammer this year. I'll let peeps know.

However, in terms of the Loot Group, I'm currently on a sabbatical from Admin duties. Got an awful lot on my plate in real life, and can't spare the spoons. Any questions, join the group and ask away!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
40k Warhammer and general Wargames Trip Loot Sharing

It's a Facebook group started specifically to fight against scalpers on eBay selling limited minis for stupid prices.

And for those who dont have Facebook, is there an other solution?

Travel, Ebay or bite the bullet and join FB.

Ashdeuzo wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
40k Warhammer and general Wargames Trip Loot Sharing

It's a Facebook group started specifically to fight against scalpers on eBay selling limited minis for stupid prices.

And for those who dont have Facebook, is there an other solution?

pm Mad Doc Grotsnik on these very forums. Two or three posts above this one.

Or the page before this one.....

Although ...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

However, in terms of the Loot Group, I'm currently on a sabbatical from Admin duties. Got an awful lot on my plate in real life, and can't spare the spoons. Any questions, join the group and ask away!

I may still be up for Looting, depends on availability of Spoons (posting out 100+ order is draining), and of course a store local enough to me moving, opening or rebranding.

If that happens, I'll do a dedicated thread, with Mod approval.

alphaecho wrote:

Ashdeuzo wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
40k Warhammer and general Wargames Trip Loot Sharing

It's a Facebook group started specifically to fight against scalpers on eBay selling limited minis for stupid prices.

And for those who dont have Facebook, is there an other solution?

pm Mad Doc Grotsnik on these very forums. Two or three posts above this one.

Or the page before this one.....

Failing that as Mad Doc is taking a break, you can send me a message here as im part of the Admin team(Tom) from the Loot group and im sure we can come up with something to help you

Just a quick vouching for Original Timmy

He is indeed one of the co-vice-deputy-assistant-sub-dogsbodies on the Loot Group

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just a quick vouching for Original Timmy

He is indeed one of the co-vice-deputy-assistant-sub-dogsbodies on the Loot Group

Thanks

 Platuan4th wrote:
How dare companies want to incentivize increased attendance.

Attendance in what?

Poland has one GW store. Brand new, so no refurbishings or reopenings or nothing. It's also in the middle-east, so people living in big cities on the western border, south, and the coast are SOL. Belarus next to us has zero. Ukraine, ditto. Kaliningrad, Czechy and Slovakia, Baltic states, same. That's what, 125 mln people with a single frakking official store 6-8 hours away by poor roads or expensive, bad train connection (and that from Poland alone, never mind neighbors) - gee, I can't imagine why these losers don't want to "increase attendance"

In fact, it's faster and cheaper to go to Germany or Austria (who also have multiple GW stores right on the border, as if to mock us) from most of central and eastern Europe than to travel to a single GW store the company decided to graciously throw us which should give you a clue how 'available' for most of us it is. It's a wonder 40K is even alive here, as 99% of lifting needed for it is done by local fans and generic RPG stores, with almost nothing done by GW proper...

 Irbis wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
How dare companies want to incentivize increased attendance.

Attendance in what?

New store openings.

It's a model that is sold to commemorate new stores. So the existence or lack thereof of stores now is somewhat irrelevant.

Yes, it's a bit sad that not everyone will have access to it... but it's also not like it's something that you actually need. It doesn't have special rules. It's just a fairly average model that, on the table, the vast majority of gamers wouldn't even recognise as anything other than a standard model.


This was, IMO, far more of a concern back when GW were producing limited edition models that actually looked like something special, like Centurius or the original Emperor's Champion model, but since they started making their 'special' models by just reposing an armature and slapping a different head on it, I'm really missing the appeal.

Eyebrows, maybe? Not a horrid model, but not my favorite female Stormcast at all.

Store birthdays are crazy popular from the one I've been to.
Packed to the gills with customers buying models. A dude I got into the hobby a few weeks prior dropped $500+ just to get the free model and, more importantly, the free backpack. (The model he got isn't even for the faction he plays, it was just an incentive.)

I probably would feel a bit differently if I didn't have a local store, but I can see why the store exclusive model is a good idea. Though, a nicer looking model would be great.

Warhammer Poole is the next one.

Confirmed to have the Stormcast, the Captain and the Chaplain. All in ‘as many as you want’ quantities.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Warhammer Poole is the next one.

Confirmed to have the Stormcast, the Captain and the Chaplain. All in ‘as many as you want’ quantities.

The captain and chaplain are order as many as you want. Stormcast is limited to one per physical attendee with no order options :(

...


So how much do the Chaplain and Captain go for?

£15 each, if memory serves. If you got the Loot Route

Otherwise it’s silly money on eBay.

Not worth ebay prices, I'll just live without.

A Statuesque head would make that figure rock.

She’s brought a friend!

...meh.

So, did he decapitate the ork with his blunt weapon, obliterate everything of it below the neck/shoulders, or is he just posing on someone else's kill?

Probably tore it off with a might hit. Similar to how limbs and that can be detached with sufficient blunt force trauma.

Without getting blood on the hammer, and without mushing the skull.

I mean, it's silly fantasy whatever, but I reserve the right to make fun of bad concepts.

He just hit him really, really hard (it's in the article),

and since an Orc(k)'s head is pretty darn tough it might just be plausible that the neck gave way before the skull (my interpretation)

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Without getting blood on the hammer, and without mushing the skull.

I mean, it's silly fantasy whatever, but I reserve the right to make fun of bad concepts.

Orcses are hunch backed though. Wallop them twixt the shoulders, and it’s possible no blood on his weapon because it’s enchantments soon sizzle it off (canon!)

Looks like it would be a good Master of Executions conversion - just replace the hammerhead with an axe, add CSM shoulder pads and backpack.

Might be worth seeing if I can get one.

Gw needs to make a sprue of various casualties and body parts. There are cool bits like this ork head, but we need some good loose ones for basing and projects

Really like the pose on that guy.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Gw needs to make a sprue of various casualties and body parts. There are cool bits like this ork head, but we need some good loose ones for basing and projects

The Huntsmen/Archers kit for Empire has an Orruk 'casualty' that is clutching an arrow in his chest.


We just need a whole box of just this kind of stuff for Orruks!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Gw needs to make a sprue of various casualties and body parts. There are cool bits like this ork head, but we need some good loose ones for basing and projects

The Huntsmen/Archers kit for Empire has an Orruk 'casualty' that is clutching an arrow in his chest.

Spoiler:

We just need a whole box of just this kind of stuff for Orruks!

Shame they got rid of the one that came in Thieving Grots/gretchin. Poor ork had all his teeth pulled out by some gobbos.

I want that hammer model. its only available on store openings thoug..which seems odd to me.. so only certain areas of the population will be able to get it and everyone else will have to pay more on ebay..

Out of curiosity, have they made those new terminators bigger than the current ones? Their design is slightly different and I wonder how they compare.

Nice enough new model, that pose is pretty decent.

That terminator chaplain isnt new, but before you had to buy like 300€ worth of stuff to then be able to buy it

Yup. But now freely available to those that wants him, and can get to an opening/refurb/rebrand etc


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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I want that hammer model. its only available on store openings thoug..which seems odd to me.. so only certain areas of the population will be able to get it and everyone else will have to pay more on ebay..

Not if you arrange a Lootin' via FB

I dont have facebook. I might have to see if anyone on instagram would do me a favour. but then youre waiting on a store opening.


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 Galas wrote:
That terminator chaplain isnt new, but before you had to buy like 300€ worth of stuff to then be able to buy it

It's a new sculpt in relation to the old sculpts isn't it? I wasn't even asking that question and I paragraphed to infer that I was referring to the stormcast hammer guy, because that is new.

I was asking what the size was between these and the current box of terminators.

I thought we could get them at Warhammer Birthdays as well. It sounds like my local is getting them on their birthday (discussion between old manager, new manager and myself). I hope I’m not confused. My wife liked both, and I’d like to be able to pick both up for her.

Slight threadomancy, but with purpose.

For those in the south east of England, the Worthing Store is relocating, and will be selling these two, the Chaplin and the Captain on 6th July 2019.

I’ll be doing a run down there myself, because Shiny!

Funds allowing at the time, I’ll see if I can pick up a couple extra of each for Dakkanauts.