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Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 03:42:27


Post by: nagash42


Showed up after the FFG Panel.
 Manchu wrote:
Spoiler:

Notes:

Create roster of ten characters. Characters have Threat Values (points values) for assigning them to Missions (scenarios).

You have Team Tactics cards and Crisis cards.

Roll for priority.

Each player draws a Crisis card — simultaneous reveal. The combination creates a Mission.

Each of those two Crisis cards has a Threat Value. Player with priority picks one and each player can assemble a team (from their 10-character Roster) for that Mission up to that Threat Value.

Suggested Threat Value to play out of Core Box is 17. Black Widow = Threat 2. Hulk = Threat 6.

3x3 play area. Emphasis on terrain, including interactive terrain.
The game will also see terrain packs with famous locations from the Marvel Universe and will also include multiple modes of play. The first up is Raids where two individuals team up to take on a “boss” controlled by a third player. Narrative campaign sets will also be released down the road.
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Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 03:43:56


Post by: Manchu


I haven’t liked Marvel very much since I was a kid but must admit this is kind of exciting.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 04:35:29


Post by: Sqorgar


I’m always a fan of making terrain a first class citizen in a miniature game, but this is, what, the third or fourth Marvel miniatures game? It’s hard to get excited about another thing which is like this other thing, but now with more Captain Marvel and Black Panther. Yay!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 04:38:21


Post by: nagash42


I only know of heroclix and the one knight models had for like a minute before they gave it up for DC only.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 05:34:29


Post by: Sqorgar


nagash42 wrote:
I only know of heroclix and the one knight models had for like a minute before they gave it up for DC only.
You’re missing Marvel Heroscape and that crappy Attacktix game (like Heroclix, but shoots stuff).


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 05:47:35


Post by: Manchu


Personally, I don’t think of *clix games and similar toy lines as gaming material. And I have never had much interest in Knight’s stuff, although bringing the Batman stuff into plastic is interesting. So for me, this might as well be the very first Marvel miniatures game as nothing that has come before was really in my wheelhouse.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 05:55:25


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I think they should rename him MODOT: Mental Organism Designed Only for Tokens.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 05:59:55


Post by: Sqorgar


 Manchu wrote:
Personally, I don’t think of *clix games and similar toy lines as gaming material.
HeroClix has a rather huge cult following and is a pretty complicated game. I don’t play because of the collectible aspect, but I do consider it a legitimate miniatures game. I also consider Mage Knight, Star Wars Miniatures, and all those other collectible miniatures games (DnD, Axis and Allies, MechWarrior, Pirates of the Spanish Main, 1st edition Monsterpocalypse) to be pretty legit. Even Heroscape - though the game is a bit slight, it still has the most impressive terrain system I’ve ever seen. With better miniatures and non-collectible, these games would be amazing (like Monsterpocalypse became).


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 06:01:32


Post by: Manchu


Yeah, all the collectible stuff is well out of my area of interest, just doesn’t scratch the hobby itch that is a key part of all this for me. Fair play to people who like that stuff.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 06:11:43


Post by: BrianDavion


MWDA was aweful.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 06:12:50


Post by: Sqorgar


 Manchu wrote:
Yeah, all the collectible stuff is well out of my area of interest, just doesn’t scratch the hobby itch that is a key part of all this for me. Fair play to people who like that stuff.
A lot of people strip the models (good old Simple Green), then repaint and base them. Turns out, the sculpts aren’t as bad as they look. Not great, but not. bad. I did a repaint on a Halo MegaBlox mini figure and the results were fantastic - it’s amazing how much detail a flat, glossy paint job obscures. But then I saw how much a collectible game can cost, and I instant rethought my opinion that GW was too expensive.

Just to get back on topic, I may get the two player starter box, depending on price. 10 miniatures plus 5 or 6 large terrain pieces won’t be cheap, but this is Asmodee, so they may price the starter competitively. I’m guessing $100 max. I’ll paint them glossy and flat, to get the HeroClix feel...


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 06:14:40


Post by: Manchu


Yeah I am surprising myself by how enthusiastic I am about this. Good chance of picking up the starter and Hulk!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 06:26:03


Post by: AduroT


My understanding is Will Pagani is involved with this game/company. He was one of the top competitive Warmachine players for awhile and went on to be a rules developer for Privateer Press for a year or so before he left there to work on his own game.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 06:53:22


Post by: ajax_xaja


Really excited about this release. I was devastated when the Knight Model line was discontinued, because the models were amazing.

A full release in PLASTIC, with a well known trendy IP and competitive game developers gives me high hopes that this will succeed.

I'm all in at this point, if only because of the minis and terrain. PLEASE BE GOOD.

If anyone's at gen-con who can demo the game, please try it out and give us some feedback on game mechanics!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 07:03:34


Post by: Manchu


So here we go, official page:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2019/7/31/marvel-champions/


disregard, that is an unrelated card game


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 07:14:59


Post by: privateer4hire


Where is the terrain that folks are talking about, please?
Sorry but it's late and maybe I'm just staring right through it.
Thanks.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 07:17:10


Post by: Manchu


Spoiler:

Notes:

Create roster of ten characters. Characters have Threat Values (points values) for assigning them to Missions (scenarios).

You have Team Tactics cards and Crisis cards.

Roll for priority.

Each player draws a Crisis card — simultaneous reveal. The combination creates a Mission.

Each of those two Crisis cards has a Threat Value. Player with priority picks one and each player can assemble a team (from their 10-character Roster) for that Mission up to that Threat Value.

Suggested Threat Value to play out of Core Box is 17. Black Widow = Threat 2. Hulk = Threat 6.

3x3 play area. Emphasis on terrain, including interactive terrain.
The game will also see terrain packs with famous locations from the Marvel Universe and will also include multiple modes of play. The first up is Raids where two individuals team up to take on a “boss” controlled by a third player. Narrative campaign sets will also be released down the road.
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Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 08:47:31


Post by: Motograter


Cannot wait to get everything that comes out for this


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 09:14:42


Post by: ajax_xaja


On closer inspection, it actually looks like there's some partnership with FFG?

IF so, that bodes well for the game, FFG has had great game design so far, and awesome prize support/competitive formats.

Really looking forward to seeing some reporting/information from audience members at gencon.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 09:30:03


Post by: Manchu


Seems like Atomic Mass Games, like FFG, is also owned by Asmodee.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 09:53:07


Post by: lord_blackfang


No matter how good the sculpts and rules might be, I just can't get excited about a game of throwing a bunch of established characters at each other.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 09:59:15


Post by: Manchu


Some other pics from the FFG report:

- hard plastic sprues

- terrain included in core box

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Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 10:31:30


Post by: Sabotage!


This actually looks pretty cool. I am pretty sick of Marvel movies (there are just too many at this point - except for Guardians of the Galaxy), but a proper miniatures game could pretty fun. I'll be eagerly awaiting to find out more about this.

The only con I see so far is Doc Oc in the starter instead of one of the Goblins or Mysterio (I was a Spiderman kid growing up).


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 11:07:30


Post by: bbb


Well, this looks interesting. I look forward to hearing about price next.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 11:52:52


Post by: Deadshot


This looks so exciting. I was devastated after the Knights Models line got dropped as I'd been wanting marvel minis for year. Are these pre-painted models though? I would really love to be able to paint them my way.

Going to be watching this thread.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 11:55:52


Post by: terry


based on Manchu's post and a video with building instructions I've seen, it appears to be unpainted


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 12:21:23


Post by: Genoside07


I am interested in this, but with Legion FFG decided to change scale from previous versions of the game.. Star Wars by WotC, Knight models and Imperial Assault
all had a compatibility scale, but Legion models look like giants and very hard to mix together with my older collect and not in the mood to rebuy it.

Scale is very important to me as the quality of the miniatures. Asmodee and FFG has improved their quality of sculpts but this still keeps me in the wait and see zone.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 12:41:43


Post by: Aeneades


Main issue with scale for me is that I already have a load of city terrain for Batman/DC and Walking Dead. I really don’t want to have to start again due to a 20% scale increase.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 12:49:15


Post by: LunarSol


 AduroT wrote:
My understanding is Will Pagani is involved with this game/company. He was one of the top competitive Warmachine players for awhile and went on to be a rules developer for Privateer Press for a year or so before he left there to work on his own game.


It's more than just Pagani. When PP had that mass exodus of developers a little while back; rumor was they were starting their own company. Looks like we know what lured them away.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 13:52:55


Post by: AduroT


Aeneades wrote:
Main issue with scale for me is that I already have a load of city terrain for Batman/DC and Walking Dead. I really don’t want to have to start again due to a 20% scale increase.


Oh that’s dumb. They really should have kept it in line with peoples existing terrain collections.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 13:55:55


Post by: Geifer


Where's Thor? Is he too mighty for this game?


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 13:58:31


Post by: LunarSol


Where are people getting the specifics on scale? What size bases are those?


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 14:05:12


Post by: Alpharius


 LunarSol wrote:
Where are people getting the specifics on scale? What size bases are those?


I was about to ask the same thing!

Hoping this is in that 28mm (Ha!) to 32mm (more or less) range that we seem to be living in these days...


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 14:10:56


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I think (hope?) that folk are just speculating based on Imperial Assault to Legion


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 14:12:01


Post by: Aeneades


 Alpharius wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Where are people getting the specifics on scale? What size bases are those?


I was about to ask the same thing!

Hoping this is in that 28mm (Ha!) to 32mm (more or less) range that we seem to be living in these days...


Someone on a different forum is at Gencon and said developers confirmed it was 40mm, here is the quote -

In the Q & A portion of the In-flight Will, the presenter for Atomic Mass Games, was asked the scale and he said 40mm.



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 Geifer wrote:
Where's Thor? Is he too mighty for this game?


The initial core set will come with 10 figures, with Modok and the Hulk available in individual expansion packs. Future sets will include characters like Killmonger, the Winter Soldier, the Guardians of the Galaxy, and Asgardians like Thor and Loki. Additional terrain will also be added, bringing locales like Knowhere to the game.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 14:50:02


Post by: Bossk_Hogg


Aeneades wrote:
Main issue with scale for me is that I already have a load of city terrain for Batman/DC and Walking Dead. I really don’t want to have to start again due to a 20% scale increase.


Does 40mm mesh with any model railroad scale I wonder?


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 14:58:00


Post by: Alpharius


Probably?

I'm hoping that "40MM Scale" here is 'close enough to the exaggerated 32mm/35mm scale that many games live in?

I hope...


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 15:03:27


Post by: LunarSol


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I think (hope?) that folk are just speculating based on Imperial Assault to Legion


Those models really aren't that much bigger. Legion bases are just incredibly thick and make everything taller.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 15:08:43


Post by: Geifer


Aeneades wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
Where's Thor? Is he too mighty for this game?


The initial core set will come with 10 figures, with Modok and the Hulk available in individual expansion packs. Future sets will include characters like Killmonger, the Winter Soldier, the Guardians of the Galaxy, and Asgardians like Thor and Loki. Additional terrain will also be added, bringing locales like Knowhere to the game.


Thanks!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 15:33:28


Post by: Bossk_Hogg


 Sabotage! wrote:


The only con I see so far is Doc Oc in the starter instead of one of the Goblins or Mysterio (I was a Spiderman kid growing up).


Ehh... I feel Doc Ock really is Spider-Man's main nemesis though. GG flamed out pretty quickly and was dead from the early 70's though the mid 2000's. Doc Ock has remained consistent, lead the Sinister Six and actually became Spider-Man for a while. Not bad for a dumpy dude in a bowl cut!

So long as we get the classic Goblin and not that Abomination-looking pud from Ultimates, I'll be happy!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 16:59:22


Post by: PalmerC


Very excited for this I am also a KM Marvel Universe Miniatures Game refuge. I am disappointed in the scale if it is truly that much bigger at 40mm but as a huge Marvel and Miniatures fan I would have to pick this up.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 17:52:15


Post by: Manchu


Photos courtesy Jonathan Lucas via facebook:

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Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 17:57:51


Post by: LunarSol


Wow, they are big.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 17:58:05


Post by: Alpharius


And there's Thor!

Also, I kinda get what they're trying to do here - terrain is (allegedly) a big part of the game, so maybe by 'forcing' us to a 'new scale' they'll 'force' us to buy a lot of terrain?

Always a balancing act between that and alienating a big part of your potential customer base and turning them off from the get go though...

I seem to remember KM's Marvel line had the figures slightly bigger too, maybe?

Either way, I think I'm going to be ridiculously all in here...

Was there a release date announced?


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 18:04:37


Post by: Azreal13


I was looking sideways at the Clone Wars Legion Starter, but now my head has decidedly been turned...

Just needs to be appealing enough for a few other locals to buy in, or cheap enough that I can get enough for two.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 18:04:42


Post by: Sqorgar


The only prices I can read from that is Thor and Valkyrie for $40. I think the Spider-Gwen and Miles Morales set is $40 - which sucks because I'd like Spider-Gwen, but not Miles Morales, and being forced to spend an extra $20 on a figure you don't want because of bundling is a big no.

Like why put Vision and Winter Soldier in a two pack? I admit that I haven't read the comics in a few years, but have they even met?

Edit: Gamora and Nebula is also $40. So, we're looking at $20 models without the ability to pick and choose exactly which ones you buy. I think I'll stick to GW, where it is cheaper...


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 18:09:06


Post by: LunarSol


Making terrain you have to buy for the game is a good way to design rules that make use of the terrain. That's easily one of the biggest challenges with the DC/Old Marvel game and could make for a game that really does supers right. I'm not happy about it, as I have plenty of stuff for Batman that works just fine for more generic terrain interaction rules, but the developers are good enough that I'm willing to give them the benefit of doubt until release.


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I am a little worried how the lack of restrictions on team building will play out practically. I mean, I get that villains switch sides all the time so drawing any lines is borderline impossible, but its going to be hard to keep things from homogenizing or worse yet, end up with the Cap/Red Skull supercombo being the competitive standard.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 18:24:58


Post by: Manchu


Core set releases this Fall.


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MSRP

- Core Set $99.95
Box Contents 10 character miniatures 10 bases 1 Daily Bugle stand 2 cars 2 dumpsters 2 traffic lights 2 lampposts 170
Tokens 20 team tactics cards 3 map cards * 2 affiliation cards 10 character stat cards 6 crisis cards 3 movement tools 4
range tools 1 learn to play 10 dice
- Dice Set (12x) $9.95

- Measurement Set (4x range, 3x movement) $19.95

- Hulk and MODOK are $34.95 each (come with three Team Tactics and one Crisis cards plus 15 tokens)

- Scenery Set $34.95
1 Daily Bugle Stand 1 Daily Grind Stand 2 Cars (with optional Taxi topper) 2 Dumpsters 2 Lampposts 2 Traffic Lights


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 18:53:41


Post by: Sqorgar


 Manchu wrote:

- Dice Set (12x) $9.95

- Measurement Set (4x range, 3x movement) $19.95

Ugh... Specialty dice and movement devices? At least with Legion, if you bought a second core set, you'd end up with enough. But Crisis Protocol's core has unique characters, so you wouldn't want to get two. This means that playing on my kitchen table will require another $30 in proprietary dice and movement tools (FFG never packs in enough dice, maybe this one will be different).


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 18:57:29


Post by: Sabotage!


 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
 Sabotage! wrote:


The only con I see so far is Doc Oc in the starter instead of one of the Goblins or Mysterio (I was a Spiderman kid growing up).


Ehh... I feel Doc Ock really is Spider-Man's main nemesis though. GG flamed out pretty quickly and was dead from the early 70's though the mid 2000's. Doc Ock has remained consistent, lead the Sinister Six and actually became Spider-Man for a while. Not bad for a dumpy dude in a bowl cut!

So long as we get the classic Goblin and not that Abomination-looking pud from Ultimates, I'll be happy!


This is true, I've just always felt that the Green Goblin and Hobgoblin were a lot more interesting than Dok Ock. For all the great villains in Spiderman, I just always thought he was a tad boring. I haven't looked at Ultimates, and by the sounds of it I should probably avoid it!


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 Manchu wrote:
Core set releases this Fall.


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MSRP

- Core Set $99.95
Box Contents 10 character miniatures 10 bases 1 Daily Bugle stand 2 cars 2 dumpsters 2 traffic lights 2 lampposts 170
Tokens 20 team tactics cards 3 map cards * 2 affiliation cards 10 character stat cards 6 crisis cards 3 movement tools 4
range tools 1 learn to play 10 dice
- Dice Set (12x) $9.95

- Measurement Set (4x range, 3x movement) $19.95

- Hulk and MODOK are $34.95 each (come with three Team Tactics and one Crisis cards plus 15 tokens)

- Scenery Set $34.95
1 Daily Bugle Stand 1 Daily Grind Stand 2 Cars (with optional Taxi topper) 2 Dumpsters 2 Lampposts 2 Traffic Lights



Core Set seems pretty reasonably priced, but $35 for a single character is pretty steep. I mean I know Marvel licensing is absurdly expensive......but still that's a bit shocking.

Also nice to the see the Guardians come out shortly, they are definitely some of the most fun Marvel characters I can think of.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 19:06:05


Post by: Manchu


All prices seem spot on to me. I am especially looking forward to the $35 terrain set.

The only problem I see with this product line is, there’s no reason to buy multiple boxes. This could make it tough to stay afloat over time.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 19:09:38


Post by: LunarSol


That Hulk looks like the size of a Dreadnought or so. Prices are high to fairly in line with what you see for models like this at 30 mm, but for 40 mm they're better than expected (but still a fair amount of sticker shock). The terrain set looks like a fantastic deal though. Specialty dice and measurement gauges is only a problem if the core set doesn't come with enough of them.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 19:12:34


Post by: Manchu


Core Set comes with 10x dice and a full measurement set. Seems fine, but I would want a set of dice and tools for each player.

LoH, I would have pegged you for a Dragon.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 19:15:17


Post by: Sabotage!


 LunarSol wrote:
That Hulk looks like the size of a Dreadnought or so. Prices are high to fairly in line with what you see for models like this at 30 mm, but for 40 mm they're better than expected (but still a fair amount of sticker shock). The terrain set looks like a fantastic deal though. Specialty dice and measurement gauges is only a problem if the core set doesn't come with enough of them.


Holy Cow, I didn't realize he was that big. He's definitely a better deal then I initially thought if that is the case.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 19:30:51


Post by: LunarSol


 Sabotage! wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
That Hulk looks like the size of a Dreadnought or so. Prices are high to fairly in line with what you see for models like this at 30 mm, but for 40 mm they're better than expected (but still a fair amount of sticker shock). The terrain set looks like a fantastic deal though. Specialty dice and measurement gauges is only a problem if the core set doesn't come with enough of them.


Holy Cow, I didn't realize he was that big. He's definitely a better deal then I initially thought if that is the case.


I'm just going by that top picture compared to the guy's head behind it. He looks pretty sizeable.

Does anyone know who the two at the back of the case are? Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight?

Team Tactics are interesting. Hopefully they give some list building direction.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 19:46:51


Post by: Alpharius


...and is that Hela in there too?!?


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 19:51:11


Post by: LunarSol


Yup, Loki and Hela 2 pack to go with Thor & Valkyrie.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 19:56:51


Post by: Alpharius


Yikes!

Hela's Threat Level must be...whatever the maximum is?


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 20:10:33


Post by: LunarSol


Looking things over, I do have to say Doc Ock is out of place in the starter. He's fine as Spidey's counterpoint, but if Thor/Loki had taken their place it would be a lot more cohesively Avengers based.

Excited about a LOT of these characters though. Not fond of Gamora's armor at all but its going to be hard to ignore the Guardians. Need Drax though. Really excited for Gwen as well, but needs at least one more pack of villains to do the Spidey stuff justice.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 20:20:09


Post by: youwashock


Hulk looks great. Miles/Gwen 2pack is good for me. Rocket and Groot. Valkyrie? Certainly there will be a Thanos. I may be in trouble. I also may not have to buy the base game to get the models I like.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 20:20:13


Post by: Sqorgar


Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Ehh... I feel Doc Ock really is Spider-Man's main nemesis though.

Spider-Man's main nemesis is Joe Quesada.

LunarSol wrote:Specialty dice and measurement gauges is only a problem if the core set doesn't come with enough of them.
There absolutely won't be. I can't think of a game I've bought in the past 5-10 years with specialty dice that hasn't had too few (well, Monsterpocalypse, I guess). Legion, for example, didn't even come with enough dice to roll a single stormtrooper attack.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 20:23:07


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 Alpharius wrote:
Yikes!

Hela's Threat Level must be...whatever the maximum is?


Well they did say they would do variant cards depicting power-levels all the way through "This Raid boss is played by one player solo vs. two other human players..." ;-)


Man if this game has solid rules I am in for alllll of it. Release can't come soon enough.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 21:32:37


Post by: Manchu


Thanos will almost certainly be the first Raid Pack.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 21:34:54


Post by: Albino Squirrel


It's hard to see this doing well with hard plastic models that people will only ever buy one of. Especially with the needing to buy two-packs that may have a character you don't even want. Special movement gadgets and custom dice doesn't get my hopes up either.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 22:47:49


Post by: Sabotage!


 LunarSol wrote:
Looking things over, I do have to say Doc Ock is out of place in the starter. He's fine as Spidey's counterpoint, but if Thor/Loki had taken their place it would be a lot more cohesively Avengers based.

Excited about a LOT of these characters though. Not fond of Gamora's armor at all but its going to be hard to ignore the Guardians. Need Drax though. Really excited for Gwen as well, but needs at least one more pack of villains to do the Spidey stuff justice.


Here's hoping for some more Spidey stuff. Either Goblin and Mysterio would have me buying it stupidly quick. Something like Scorpion and Vulture would be cool too.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 23:18:25


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Special movement gadgets and custom dice doesn't get my hopes up either.
It's an FFG game, so proprietary dice, special movement sticks and endless tokens are their thing.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/01 23:22:03


Post by: lasgunpacker


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
It's hard to see this doing well with hard plastic models that people will only ever buy one of. Especially with the needing to buy two-packs that may have a character you don't even want. Special movement gadgets and custom dice doesn't get my hopes up either.


I suspect that, like X-wing, they will make pretty substantial sales to non-gaming fans.

40mm is very disappointing for me though, a regular 28-32mm scale would mean that it works with other things I already have, and better that I could buy the terrain without even caring about the game, but this... probably no.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 00:28:43


Post by: angel of death 007


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
It's hard to see this doing well with hard plastic models that people will only ever buy one of. Especially with the needing to buy two-packs that may have a character you don't even want. Special movement gadgets and custom dice doesn't get my hopes up either.


People felt the same way with Star Wars Legion and A Song of Ice and Fire and both blew up. I suspect this game with grow just due to the label alone. Being plastic is a huge asset considering Knight models Marvel was metal.

I am looking forward for this, i just hope it doesn't do what Knight Model's Marvel did and we get to see all the cool models we grew up with.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 03:05:10


Post by: Manchu


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Special movement gadgets and custom dice doesn't get my hopes up either.
It's an FFG game, so proprietary dice, special movement sticks and endless tokens are their thing.
This game is made by Atomic Mass Games not FFG. Both are owned by Asmodee.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 03:30:13


Post by: Albino Squirrel


 Manchu wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Special movement gadgets and custom dice doesn't get my hopes up either.
It's an FFG game, so proprietary dice, special movement sticks and endless tokens are their thing.
This game is made by Atomic Mass Games not FFG. Both are owned by Asmodee.


It had to be somewhat of a collaboration with Fantasy Flight Games. The movement gadgets look identical to the Star Wars Legion ones.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I hope the rules end up being fun. Star Wars Clone Wars seems like a great setting for a miniatures game, but the rules just don't seem all that appealing to me from the reviews I've read. But Marvel Comics is another universe I'm very interested in, so if the rules end up being good I could be very into this. I suspect it's hard to get super hero games right, with how different and varied their powers can be. I mean, I don't see how Black Widow could be a 2 power level and Hulk a 6. Unless there are missions that rely heavily on espionage.



Automatically Appended Next Post:
They do have a website up now: https://www.atomicmassgames.com/


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 04:05:26


Post by: Absolutionis


Looking at the Iron Man and Black Widow sculpts, it looks exactly like the metal Knight Models sculpts. Except they're inexplicably scaled up and in a material worse for detail. Scale fail killed Spartan Games, and with FFG's record of nabbing IPs and wringing them to death, I think I'd rather wait 3yr for these models to go on clearance.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 05:25:52


Post by: LunarSol


I will say, I'm very curious to see how Spidey turns out. Is there any costume detail on the model or is that 100% hand painted.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 05:41:39


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Aeneades wrote:
Main issue with scale for me is that I already have a load of city terrain for Batman/DC and Walking Dead. I really don’t want to have to start again due to a 20% scale increase.


Does 40mm mesh with any model railroad scale I wonder?


It's close to American O scale (1/43). I believe 35-38mm is more accurately that size (which is what WWX is). 1/56 terrain/cars look good with 28-32mm which is 1/60 scale so O scale should look pretty decent with this but might be a bit on the small side.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 08:46:08


Post by: Turnip Jedi


Kind of tempted, bit pricey but I might need a low count skirmish game if my current skimisher of choice goes belly up (a distinct possibility as Steamforge seem to be skating on goodwill and not much else)


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 08:59:01


Post by: Deadshot


 Absolutionis wrote:
Looking at the Iron Man and Black Widow sculpts, it looks exactly like the metal Knight Models sculpts. Except they're inexplicably scaled up and in a material worse for detail. Scale fail killed Spartan Games, and with FFG's record of nabbing IPs and wringing them to death, I think I'd rather wait 3yr for these models to go on clearance.


I don't think the Iron Man sculpt is the same, I've been search for an Iron Man paintable mini since the release of Endgame and I've not seen one like this.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Kind of tempted, bit pricey but I might need a low count skirmish game if my current skimisher of choice goes belly up (a distinct possibility as Steamforge seem to be skating on goodwill and not much else)


I feel like Ebay resells and individuals might go a long way on this game. I think however their best bet is to offer singles instead of double packs, or at least, make the double packs really tailored. Ie, Ant-Man and Wasp in a pack, not Invisible Woman and Mordo or something random. These models are going to have a much wider market appeal that just tabletop players so offering MCU fans the chance to have their favourite characters is a goldmine.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 09:36:14


Post by: Manchu


TBH the two packs don’t seem random at all.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 11:27:23


Post by: grefven


 Manchu wrote:
TBH the two packs don’t seem random at all.


Winter Soldier and Vision comes to mind, though.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 14:00:18


Post by: LunarSol


grefven wrote:
 Manchu wrote:
TBH the two packs don’t seem random at all.


Winter Soldier and Vision comes to mind, though.


Scarlet Witch and Falcon would have gone with those two better. With what they've got they did a solid job pairing everybody up though. There's definitely an element of "we couldn't make a mold for this if it didn't have some guaranteed sales.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 14:08:31


Post by: montanhas18


According to this: https://twitter.com/atomicmassgames/status/1157277730288726016

The starter should be 100 USD.

Spidey seems to have detail on the mini itself: https://www.instagram.com/p/B0qg_INgvkF/?igshid=bfjiqaua5epg


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 14:32:39


Post by: Soul Samurai


I was interested in this, but I'm worried about the scale. I hate to buy models that don't look reasonably in-scale with the models I already have, especially since I already have a bunch of Knight Models stuff. Don't want to have a 40mm Wolverine towering over a 35mm Batman on my shelf (slight exaggeration, but still). Of course a lot of "35mm" scale models are close to 40mm high at the eyes, so maybe the practical difference won't be noticeable? I guess I'm going to have to wait and see.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 14:39:54


Post by: Unforgiven88


Some more pics from other angles.

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Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 14:44:08


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


I LOOOOVE that Modok so very much. :-) As a gamer in a wheelchair, with a giant head, I finally feel representation. :-p


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 14:49:35


Post by: ImAGeek


Not really up on my comic characters, who’s the purple guy with the sword in the starter?


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 15:30:10


Post by: LunarSol


 ImAGeek wrote:
Not really up on my comic characters, who’s the purple guy with the sword in the starter?


Baron Zemo. Captain America villain. The MCU had a very different version of him as the villain in Civil War.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 15:43:05


Post by: balmong7


 ImAGeek wrote:
Not really up on my comic characters, who’s the purple guy with the sword in the starter?


Baron Zemo. He is basically a mercenary at this point. But for a long time, he was the leader of Hydra after Red Skull.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 15:45:25


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


balmong7 wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Not really up on my comic characters, who’s the purple guy with the sword in the starter?


Baron Zemo. He is basically a mercenary at this point. But for a long time, he was the leader of Hydra after Red Skull.


All anti-Zemo propaganda! He is a proper hero and his team of Thunderbolts will always deliver justice... like lightning!!!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 17:22:27


Post by: ImAGeek


LunarSol wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Not really up on my comic characters, who’s the purple guy with the sword in the starter?


Baron Zemo. Captain America villain. The MCU had a very different version of him as the villain in Civil War.


balmong7 wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Not really up on my comic characters, who’s the purple guy with the sword in the starter?


Baron Zemo. He is basically a mercenary at this point. But for a long time, he was the leader of Hydra after Red Skull.


Thanks guys. That is a very different version!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 17:27:54


Post by: Monkeysloth


 lasgunpacker wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
It's hard to see this doing well with hard plastic models that people will only ever buy one of. Especially with the needing to buy two-packs that may have a character you don't even want. Special movement gadgets and custom dice doesn't get my hopes up either.


I suspect that, like X-wing, they will make pretty substantial sales to non-gaming fans.


Will this though? With X-wing you can buy a ship pack, open them up and places them for display without doing anything as they're preassembled and painted. These are hard plastic sprues that require effort and tools to assemble. It's not as mass market as I think people believe it is.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 18:21:22


Post by: Alpharius


 LunarSol wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Not really up on my comic characters, who’s the purple guy with the sword in the starter?


Baron Zemo. Captain America villain. The MCU had a very different version of him as the villain in Civil War.


Maybe he'll be more like his comic book counterpart when he shows up in "The Falcon and The Winter Soldier" TV Series?



Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 18:26:10


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


 Alpharius wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Not really up on my comic characters, who’s the purple guy with the sword in the starter?


Baron Zemo. Captain America villain. The MCU had a very different version of him as the villain in Civil War.


Maybe he'll be more like his comic book counterpart when he shows up in "The Falcon and The Winter Soldier" TV Series?



Picture the actor posted shows him in a fur lined coat and wearing a purple mask.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 18:30:25


Post by: Alpharius


There we go then!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 19:10:40


Post by: Bossk_Hogg


 Alpharius wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Not really up on my comic characters, who’s the purple guy with the sword in the starter?


Baron Zemo. Captain America villain. The MCU had a very different version of him as the villain in Civil War.


Maybe he'll be more like his comic book counterpart when he shows up in "The Falcon and The Winter Soldier" TV Series?



There was a teaser at SDCC that showed him putting on the purple mask, so we're good there!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 19:37:22


Post by: nagash42


I don't know why he's even in that show. He won at the end of civil war he broke the avengers apart.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 20:04:20


Post by: bbb


Rules are now available to download from their website:

https://www.atomicmassgames.com/


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 20:08:25


Post by: Alpharius


nagash42 wrote:I don't know why he's even in that show. He won at the end of civil war he broke the avengers apart.


Maybe because...they got back together?

bbb wrote:Rules are now available to download from their website:

https://www.atomicmassgames.com/


Excellent - thank you for the heads up!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 20:44:17


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


https://www.miniaturemarket.com/searchresults?q=marvel+crisis

Preorders are up everywhere now. Looks like the industry standard 20% discount.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 20:54:37


Post by: Alpharius


Do we know exactly what's in core set, in terms of characters and terrain?

I don't think I need extra dice or measuring sticks, but all of the other available options are tempting...


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 20:56:56


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


You get ten characters and the equivalent of one of each of the skus sold separately. To play it safe I just ordered an extra dice set for my wife.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Minus Modok and Hulk, of course.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 20:57:25


Post by: LunarSol


 Alpharius wrote:
Do we know exactly what's in core set, in terms of characters and terrain?

I don't think I need extra dice or measuring sticks, but all of the other available options are tempting...


There's a picture that shows the 10 in the starter, not sure about other contents:

Iron Man
Captain Marvel
Captain America
Black Widow
Spider-Man
Ultron
Red Skull
Baron Zemo
Crossbones
Doctor Octopus


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 20:59:19


Post by: Alpharius


Found it!

Box Contents:

10 character miniatures
10 bases
1 Daily Bugle stand
2 cars
2 dumpsters
2 traffic lights
2 lampposts
170 Tokens
20 team tactics cards
3 map cards
2 affiliation cards
10 character stat cards
6 crisis cards
3 movement tools
4 range tools
10 dice


So aside from the miniatures available separately, looks like the terrain pack is a duplicate?


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 21:02:08


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


By all accounts the terrain and rulers set are exactly the one that comes in the box (they showed the terrain sprues at Gencon).

Interesting rules at a glance. I love how the semi-procedural missions even effect point size of the game, meaning you're encouraged to take a diverse roster. Really helps explain why Black Widow might ever have a role versus say Hulk, etc...

Edit: Also funny how models get "knocked out" or "dazed". Feels like a corporate mandated, "Our characters are not killing each other..."


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 21:07:52


Post by: Aeneades


 Alpharius wrote:
Found it!

Box Contents:

10 character miniatures
10 bases
1 Daily Bugle stand
2 cars
2 dumpsters
2 traffic lights
2 lampposts
170 Tokens
20 team tactics cards
3 map cards
2 affiliation cards
10 character stat cards
6 crisis cards
3 movement tools
4 range tools
10 dice


So aside from the miniatures available separately, looks like the terrain pack is a duplicate?


The only thing that I could see being slightly different is that the terrain pack comes appears to also include a second copy of the news stand which is slightly different design. Could be the main game comes with the second version of the sign but will still be short one building compared to the main set. The terrain set also mentions upgrades to turn one of the cars into a taxi which isn't mentioned in the main set (both variant pieces could well be included but just not mentioned).


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 21:54:42


Post by: privateer4hire


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I LOOOOVE that Modok so very much. :-) As a gamer in a wheelchair, with a giant head, I finally feel representation. :-p


Hopefully, you don't eat as many eggs as Modok apparently does, though.
That looks both painful and unhealthy.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/02 22:02:03


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 privateer4hire wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I LOOOOVE that Modok so very much. :-) As a gamer in a wheelchair, with a giant head, I finally feel representation. :-p


Hopefully, you don't eat as many eggs as Modok apparently does, though.
That looks both painful and unhealthy.


I plead the 5th. ;-)


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/03 12:30:24


Post by: balmong7


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

Also funny how models get "knocked out" or "dazed". Feels like a corporate mandated, "Our characters are not killing each other..."


This isn't the MCU. Killing is wrong! Especially with spider-man on the field.

I'd love to see a punisher expansion that says "this character kills anyone who would become dazed or knocked out"


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/03 15:03:03


Post by: laam999


That would be cool actually, having a campaign mode with "lethal" characters, bullseye, punisher, wolverine etc who remove btho why beat from the game completely.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/03 18:29:34


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


So, semi-getting ahead of myself (pictures will be added shortly), I did a Hulk paint-test since I had to paint up some Fallout Super Mutants anyway.

I was 100% able to match the Gencon Hulk model by doing a coat of Contrast Iyanden Yellow, and when dry a coat of Contrast Warp Lightning cut by two-thirds with the Contrast medium.

If you look at the Gencon models Atomic Mass showed off you can clearly tell most were, ironically, Contrast painted. For example the pooling on Captain America's leg is what happens if you let Contrast over pool during a quick application. :-p

Makes me feel optimistic, as Knight's Models paint jobs moslty just remind me that i'll never be talented enough to do them justice. :-p


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/03 21:01:21


Post by: bbb


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Makes me feel optimistic, as Knight's Models paint jobs moslty just remind me that i'll never be talented enough to do them justice. :-p


Well, if you can't be in the same league as those DC painters, at least it sounds like you can get marvelous results with this game.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/03 21:43:29


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 bbb wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Makes me feel optimistic, as Knight's Models paint jobs moslty just remind me that i'll never be talented enough to do them justice. :-p


Well, if you can't be in the same league as those DC painters, at least it sounds like you can get marvelous results with this game.


I see what you did there. ;-)

I'll just be happy playing a superhero tabletop game with a community larger than two superfans in their basement three hours away... :-p


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/04 02:04:44


Post by: Absolutionis


balmong7 wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

Also funny how models get "knocked out" or "dazed". Feels like a corporate mandated, "Our characters are not killing each other..."


This isn't the MCU. Killing is wrong! Especially with spider-man on the field.

I'd love to see a punisher expansion that says "this character kills anyone who would become dazed or knocked out"
A lot of hero-based games tend to use those terms not because they want to be PC, but because it makes narrative sense. Not only do heroes usually not want to kill each other, but it's going to be more than a big big deal if Captain America gets murdered in a street fight. Villians would rather capture heroes and dive into a monologue. Even in comics, characters rarely "die". Many games that have named characters in skirmishes tend to allude to them not ever dying.

I like these terms.

-----

It's interesting that they're taking a page from Malifaux in that you declare your team, then choose the mission(s), and then you build your list.

The proprietary measuring tools for measuring distance and movement seems gimmicky and unnecessary.

What size are those bases? They look like 30mm beveled edges with 28mm scale models on them


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/04 14:41:26


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 Absolutionis wrote:
balmong7 wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

Also funny how models get "knocked out" or "dazed". Feels like a corporate mandated, "Our characters are not killing each other..."


This isn't the MCU. Killing is wrong! Especially with spider-man on the field.

I'd love to see a punisher expansion that says "this character kills anyone who would become dazed or knocked out"
A lot of hero-based games tend to use those terms not because they want to be PC, but because it makes narrative sense. Not only do heroes usually not want to kill each other, but it's going to be more than a big big deal if Captain America gets murdered in a street fight. Villians would rather capture heroes and dive into a monologue. Even in comics, characters rarely "die". Many games that have named characters in skirmishes tend to allude to them not ever dying.

I like these terms.

-----

It's interesting that they're taking a page from Malifaux in that you declare your team, then choose the mission(s), and then you build your list.

The proprietary measuring tools for measuring distance and movement seems gimmicky and unnecessary.

What size are those bases? They look like 30mm beveled edges with 28mm scale models on them


40mm for most models, 60mm for Hulk/Modok is what i'm hearing.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/05 02:08:18


Post by: Alpharius


Fingers crossed that Mysterio and The Abomination make it into the game, and soon!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/05 13:00:09


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


I want this game to take off and be hugely popular, if only so we can get a Lockjaw/Kamala Khan 2-pack. I'll start working on a greenstuff "My name is Lockjaw and I love hugs." sign right now.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/05 14:13:40


Post by: Motograter


Bases are 35mm, 50mm and 65mm for now.

Characters can die. Once you stun them flip the card then do the same again


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/05 15:01:24


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 Motograter wrote:
Bases are 35mm, 50mm and 65mm for now.

Characters can die. Once you stun them flip the card then do the same again


The game calls that "knocked out", but its just semantics.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/05 17:20:21


Post by: timetowaste85


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I want this game to take off and be hugely popular, if only so we can get a Lockjaw/Kamala Khan 2-pack. I'll start working on a greenstuff "My name is Lockjaw and I love hugs." sign right now.


This is why we can’t have nice things. No Kamala Khan! Lockjaw is ok though. The name-stealing, selfie-twerp doesn’t deserve a place if they can’t even put mutants in yet.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/05 22:49:36


Post by: AduroT


They have Spider Man in the starter. The man who is famous for making money taking selfies and selling them.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/05 23:36:31


Post by: Sqorgar


 AduroT wrote:
They have Spider Man in the starter. The man who is famous for making money taking selfies and selling them.

He was a THOT before it was cool.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/05 23:49:01


Post by: Danny76


It’s like Marvel Legendary, I think they say knocked out. As mentioned, it’s just the PC thing.
So they can come back to fight next issue..!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/06 00:59:39


Post by: Alpharius


No kidding!

I mean, why so grim and gritty?!?

Leave that it to the comics of...30+ years ago!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 02:23:43


Post by: Baragash


It’s not like anyone ever really dies in the comics


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 02:39:48


Post by: Sqorgar


 Baragash wrote:
It’s not like anyone ever really dies in the comics
Just Bucky, Uncle Ben, and Gwen Stacy....

Wait...


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 03:25:27


Post by: Soul Samurai


Normally here is where I would link "The death and return of Superman" by Max Landis, but the important line goes something like: "The death of Superman didn't kill Superman, it killed Death".


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 10:53:33


Post by: Alpharius


The Red Skull has the Cosmic Cube?!)

And I’m already looking forward to what will get released beyond what we’ve already seen previewed!

Can’t wait for the FF and Dr. Doom.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 12:50:37


Post by: Original Timmy


 Sqorgar wrote:
 Baragash wrote:
It’s not like anyone ever really dies in the comics
Just Bucky, Uncle Ben, and Gwen Stacy....

Wait...


Spoilers


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 14:23:21


Post by: Sqorgar


 Original Timmy wrote:
 Sqorgar wrote:
 Baragash wrote:
It’s not like anyone ever really dies in the comics
Just Bucky, Uncle Ben, and Gwen Stacy....

Wait...


Spoilers



But... but... both Bucky and Gwen Stacy have models in Crisis Protocol!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 14:52:43


Post by: timetowaste85


Clearly they’re gonna get squatted as soon as it’s realized!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 15:05:13


Post by: LunarSol


Now we just need a model for when they decide Uncle Ben was secretly an early test subject for the super soldier serum that causes him to regenerate 5 years after his death with great power that he doesn't know what to do with until Peter convinces him to take on the costumed identity of "The Responsibility".


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 15:26:24


Post by: Sqorgar


 LunarSol wrote:
Now we just need a model for when they decide Uncle Ben was secretly an early test subject for the super soldier serum that causes him to regenerate 5 years after his death with great power that he doesn't know what to do with until Peter convinces him to take on the costumed identity of "The Responsibility".
Technically, there is a version of Uncle Ben who has spider powers from accompanying Peter on the field trip in one of the alternate dimensions in the Spider-verse saga. They find him hidden in a bunker in a world destroyed by, I think, nuclear fallout, then convince him to put the suit back on and help against the Inheritors. Ultimately, I think he moves into the Spider-Gwen universe.

Spoiler:

I'd buy a model of that... or any of the other Spider-verse characters. (Hell, I'll only consider this line a success if we get Spider-ham)


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 16:38:42


Post by: Alpharius


I need a Spider-Man 2099 model...

...and Mysterio.

...and the rest of the original Sinister Six.

...and...



Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 16:54:01


Post by: Albino Squirrel


Having read the rules, I'm not as excited about the game. The main attack/defense mechanic seems a little convoluted, with all the different dice symbols and all the steps. and it seems like the choice of mechanic doesn't fit the super hero theme well. I know you don't want to have characters that are impossible to harm in a game, but they don't seem to be able to represent the characters well with the stats they have. Looking at the character cards, there seems to only be two different levels of defense, as almost all the defense stats are either 3 or 4 for everyone. Leading to things like Baron Zemo being just as hard to damage as Ultron.

I guess it's really the special abilities at the bottom of the card that are going to do the most to differentiate the characters, but a lot of those don't seem that different.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 17:00:43


Post by: timetowaste85


I think Knight Models got the rules right for their game. With one exception; Magneto shouldn’t have to test to pick up metal models. That should have been an auto-passed test. Other than that, the KM rules were solid. Shame they no longer do Marvel. Way superior to HP and more even-powered than DC. But Marvel felt the most natural. I’ll be keeping an eye on where this game goes.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 20:47:21


Post by: Alpharius


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Having read the rules, I'm not as excited about the game. The main attack/defense mechanic seems a little convoluted, with all the different dice symbols and all the steps. and it seems like the choice of mechanic doesn't fit the super hero theme well. I know you don't want to have characters that are impossible to harm in a game, but they don't seem to be able to represent the characters well with the stats they have. Looking at the character cards, there seems to only be two different levels of defense, as almost all the defense stats are either 3 or 4 for everyone. Leading to things like Baron Zemo being just as hard to damage as Ultron.

I guess it's really the special abilities at the bottom of the card that are going to do the most to differentiate the characters, but a lot of those don't seem that different.


That’s not encouraging!

I hope there’s more to it then what you’ve seen...


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 22:08:31


Post by: Azreal13


I just read a "first impressions" article that pretty much contradicted most of that, but it was Beasts Of War, so difficult to judge the objectivity.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/07 22:37:51


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


The rules seem pretty light and clean, but I can definitely see how the heavy lifting of characterization seems to fall on those special abilities and passive abilities. Curiously, while reading the rules, it seems like you get VERY little energy with which to use abilities.

I'd encourage everyone to give the rules a read since they're very short, and free. I might be missing something, but at glance they feel inoffensive, with nothing jumping out as particularly wrong, or innovative.

Still excited though. On paper 40k has ass rules too but I play it and manage to enjoy it in part because of the huge community. If I can get an "ok" superhero game with loads of players, steady releases, and great models, i'll be excited!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/08 00:38:36


Post by: Albino Squirrel


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
The rules seem pretty light and clean, but I can definitely see how the heavy lifting of characterization seems to fall on those special abilities and passive abilities. Curiously, while reading the rules, it seems like you get VERY little energy with which to use abilities.

I'd encourage everyone to give the rules a read since they're very short, and free. I might be missing something, but at glance they feel inoffensive, with nothing jumping out as particularly wrong, or innovative.

Still excited though. On paper 40k has ass rules too but I play it and manage to enjoy it in part because of the huge community. If I can get an "ok" superhero game with loads of players, steady releases, and great models, i'll be excited!


In the base rules, you only get one energy per turn per character, plus one for each damage point you take (so like 4 or 5 before you get dazed, and another 4 or 5 before you are out of action). But a lot of the attacks seem to get you power for each damage point they do as well. And most special abilities seem to cost 2 or 3.

But yeah, it may still be fun enough to play. If it were a generic game I might have no interest, but obviously playing even an okay game with characters I really like will be fun, because I'll enjoy the narrative, as long as it's not ridiculous enough to ruin the immersion.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/08 07:05:10


Post by: Soul Samurai


I originally wanted to try to use the Knight Models Batman game to try to pull in new players who weren't used to wargaming, because I thought the IP might help attract them. However when I read the rules I decided it wasn't simple enough for something like that.

So if this game proves to be simple enough for new players to grasp easily, then it might make a great "gateway" into miniature gaming.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/08 12:23:38


Post by: timetowaste85


Try the DC Universe game from Knights. It’s basically the same as Marvel, and that was really easy to get into. And the missions matter WAY more than kill count.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/08 14:50:05


Post by: Soul Samurai


 timetowaste85 wrote:
Try the DC Universe game from Knights. It’s basically the same as Marvel, and that was really easy to get into. And the missions matter WAY more than kill count.
Good to hear, thanks. Knight Models are a pain to put together though (I should know, I have loads of them); I suspect Marvel Crisis' plastic sprues will prove easier for new players who are interested in the hobby side.

Personally I'm building up some Monsterpocalypse for "new player bait" duty: no messing around with measuring tapes (I feel like non-gamers get a little put off by the measuring tapes; perhaps the measuring tools in Crisis will help it feel less intimidating even though functionally they aren't actually different from measuring tapes) and it still has an element of familiarity to anyone who knows Godzilla, Pacific Rim, King Kong etc.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/08 15:05:43


Post by: Albino Squirrel


You can see a picture of a few of the cards here: https://boardgamegeek.com/image/4883630/marvel-crisis-protocol

In addition the Captain America card is shown in the rulebook.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 16:22:53


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


According to the FB group these are releases through 2019.



Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 18:55:06


Post by: AduroT


Do we know which Valkyrie it is? Old comic, movie, or current comic Jane Foster?


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 19:12:36


Post by: Albino Squirrel


Scroll up. You can see a picture of the Valkyrie model taken at Gen Con. Looks like a classic look.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Even better picture can be seen here: https://imgur.com/gallery/KvCaklC

Definitely inspired more by the old comic book version with the telescoping boob armor. But she's wearing pants. Maybe a mix of styles, I guess.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 19:43:27


Post by: Alpharius


I'd bet...movie?

Or Old School Comic - too early for Jane Foster version, especially as she'll be doing the Thor thing for 'most people' in the movies first!

Thank you NewTruthNeomaxim for that list - very helpful and informative.

There are a surprising number of releases that I'll be OK with skipping in that list.

And we need more villains - too many heroes in 2019!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 19:54:13


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


My pleasure. If nothing but out of love for the Marvel Universe, I feel like i'll be buying all of these release. I'm super excited for this one.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 20:07:44


Post by: Easy E


I think the scale of the models actually puts me off, although the idea of themed terrain is great.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 20:10:17


Post by: Alpharius


There's quite a few classics that are shockingly not on the 'release at release' or even in 2019 - I'm stunned!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 20:28:37


Post by: Theophony


Wake me when X-Men show up .


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 20:29:21


Post by: LunarSol


 Alpharius wrote:
There's quite a few classics that are shockingly not on the 'release at release' or even in 2019 - I'm stunned!


Poor Hawkeye


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 AduroT wrote:
Do we know which Valkyrie it is? Old comic, movie, or current comic Jane Foster?


Definitely the one who didn't make it out of War of the Realms.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 20:54:26


Post by: Siygess


$105 for GotG and you dont even get Drax? Ouch! Guess I'd better shift all my KM Marvel stuff to fund this..


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 21:00:08


Post by: Albino Squirrel


Yeah, $20 - $35 per character, on top of which you might have to buy a character you don't even want to get one you do want. The prices are pretty steep.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 21:17:48


Post by: ajax_xaja


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, $20 - $35 per character, on top of which you might have to buy a character you don't even want to get one you do want. The prices are pretty steep.


Beating a dead horse at this point, but that's less than you're paying for single character sprues of SMALLER SCALE and sizes than what you'll be getting for this game.

There are literally $35 character sprues right now from the GW line. These models are head and shoulders above primaris models at this point, and come with character cards, sculpted bases, etc.

I guess ultimately, you only pay what you think it's worth, but this is a very approachable pricing structure for me.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 22:30:38


Post by: angel of death 007


It is like they got their prices straight from the GW handbook. I love the idea of Marvel thou so will have to wait and see, though Xmen are my fav so hopefully they will get to them soon.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 22:43:41


Post by: Azreal13


Thing is, this game needs a roster of ten models, whereas many GW core games would need those ten character models plus a fortune in rank and file, vehicles and monsters to make them work as a coherent gaming collection.

I've never had too much issue with high model costs in low model count games, but this is bumping right up against the limit, it's a good job they've given me plenty of time to mull it over, if this had dropped out of nowhere I'd have run a mile out of sticker shock alone.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 22:53:37


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


I'm definitely what you'd call a superfan, but even I have to say the price is the upper-limit of what I am willing to pay. I'm in for the fandom, and will tolerate the price for a skirmish game of beloved characters (where I am sure the licensing fees are insane), but if the game ends up being mediocre it'll be hard to stay all-in.

Guess we'll see, but they definitely have me for the Day-1 stuff.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 23:04:03


Post by: Tamereth


When we get models based on the MCU (or x-men based on the 90's cartoon) I'll be interested but the random comic iterations shown off so far aren't really doing it for me.

The weird scale is a massive issue, so the game will need to be something special to get people to buy in.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/13 23:26:58


Post by: Sabotage!


Does anyone know if you need 10 models of a single alignment for your group? Do I need 10 heroes or 10 Villains? Or can I have a mix.

If you can mix it up I may need to get involved when some more Spidey stuff comes out. Though I do like the idea of playing Guardians of the Galaxy, I still like the idea of Rocket boogeyboarding with the Green Goblin while they hurl explosives all over better.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 00:32:16


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 Sabotage! wrote:
Does anyone know if you need 10 models of a single alignment for your group? Do I need 10 heroes or 10 Villains? Or can I have a mix.

If you can mix it up I may need to get involved when some more Spidey stuff comes out. Though I do like the idea of playing Guardians of the Galaxy, I still like the idea of Rocket boogeyboarding with the Green Goblin while they hurl explosives all over better.


There are no formal alignments. Any models can make up a list, its just that certain shared affiliations will confer bonuses.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 00:55:53


Post by: Albino Squirrel


 ajax_xaja wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, $20 - $35 per character, on top of which you might have to buy a character you don't even want to get one you do want. The prices are pretty steep.


Beating a dead horse at this point, but that's less than you're paying for single character sprues of SMALLER SCALE and sizes than what you'll be getting for this game.

There are literally $35 character sprues right now from the GW line. These models are head and shoulders above primaris models at this point, and come with character cards, sculpted bases, etc.

I guess ultimately, you only pay what you think it's worth, but this is a very approachable pricing structure for me.



I certainly don't pay that much for any single models. Obviously that's 40k character prices, but a primaris character is probably about the same size as one of the human sized Crisis Protocol models. Maybe shorter, but bulkier. And the GW models are much more detailed. In any case, if you're trying to say Crisis Protocol models are reasonably priced because they are at the same price point as GW character models, the lowest value models from the highest priced company in all of miniature gaming, you're not making a very compelling point.

It is true you only NEED 10, but of course you're going to want much more than that. And even if you only wanted 10, you can't actually get away with buying only 10 because most of them you have to buy in pairs with another character you may not want. So to even get the 10 models you want, you may actually have to buy up to 20. GW doesn't make you do that. And most of the GW miniatures you buy are going to be squads of like 10 guys for maybe $60, so a quarter or less of the price of one of these, with more detail and tons of options. If there was a 40K spinoff game where you could only play by purchasing 15 or so of their plastic character models at $30 or $35 a piece, I don't think very many people would play it. And tons of people would be complaining about how much of an overpriced money-grab it was.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 01:27:17


Post by: angel of death 007


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
 ajax_xaja wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, $20 - $35 per character, on top of which you might have to buy a character you don't even want to get one you do want. The prices are pretty steep.


Beating a dead horse at this point, but that's less than you're paying for single character sprues of SMALLER SCALE and sizes than what you'll be getting for this game.

There are literally $35 character sprues right now from the GW line. These models are head and shoulders above primaris models at this point, and come with character cards, sculpted bases, etc.

I guess ultimately, you only pay what you think it's worth, but this is a very approachable pricing structure for me.



I certainly don't pay that much for any single models. Obviously that's 40k character prices, but a primaris character is probably about the same size as one of the human sized Crisis Protocol models. Maybe shorter, but bulkier. And the GW models are much more detailed. In any case, if you're trying to say Crisis Protocol models are reasonably priced because they are at the same price point as GW character models, the lowest value models from the highest priced company in all of miniature gaming, you're not making a very compelling point.

It is true you only NEED 10, but of course you're going to want much more than that. And even if you only wanted 10, you can't actually get away with buying only 10 because most of them you have to buy in pairs with another character you may not want. So to even get the 10 models you want, you may actually have to buy up to 20. GW doesn't make you do that. And most of the GW miniatures you buy are going to be squads of like 10 guys for maybe $60, so a quarter or less of the price of one of these, with more detail and tons of options. If there was a 40K spinoff game where you could only play by purchasing 15 or so of their plastic character models at $30 or $35 a piece, I don't think very many people would play it. And tons of people would be complaining about how much of an overpriced money-grab it was.


What the heck are you talking about GW doesn't make you buy what? Ever play AoS and take a thing called Battle line troops, talk about about a tax there. Wanting to play gloomspite gitz with squigs because they are cool but having to take 60-100 grots to make them playable comptetatively. not to mention all the painting of those dang stupid rank and file idiots.

GW absolutely taxes the hell out of you to play their games. Skirmish ones maybe not in models... for like Kill Team, Necromunda or Warcry... but then they sure do with books with these games. So GW is nothing but tax to play their games. Books, hordes of little models that look god aweful roaming the tables as a sea of gray. I would much rather get one extra hero that i don't like then 80 grots. hands down. Plus to get a usable army for AoS or 40k can easily cost you a good $400- 600.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 02:57:19


Post by: Sabotage!


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
 Sabotage! wrote:
Does anyone know if you need 10 models of a single alignment for your group? Do I need 10 heroes or 10 Villains? Or can I have a mix.

If you can mix it up I may need to get involved when some more Spidey stuff comes out. Though I do like the idea of playing Guardians of the Galaxy, I still like the idea of Rocket boogeyboarding with the Green Goblin while they hurl explosives all over better.


There are no formal alignments. Any models can make up a list, its just that certain shared affiliations will confer bonuses.


Awesome, thank you!


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 03:35:39


Post by: Azreal13


And the GW models are much more detailed.


After convincing a percentage of the hobby that they are the hobby, and a further percentage that using non-GW products in their games is "wrong," the greatest marketing gimmick GW have stuck the landing on has to be that covering every available flat surface in greeble is somehow desirable and makes a model worth more money.

GW are not making high def models while everyone else is still using VHS, and what somebody calls "detail" other people call cluttered and lacking creative restraint.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 04:12:33


Post by: Sabotage!


 Azreal13 wrote:
And the GW models are much more detailed.


After convincing a percentage of the hobby that they are the hobby, and a further percentage that using non-GW products in their games is "wrong," the greatest marketing gimmick GW have stuck the landing on has to be that covering every available flat surface in greeble is somehow desirable and makes a model worth more money.

GW are not making high def models while everyone else is still using VHS, and what somebody calls "detail" other people call cluttered and lacking creative restraint.


Looking at the pictures I have seen on the Marvel miniatures, I do think the detail on the GW miniatures look sharper, though I'm not sure how much of that comes down to paint job. To the credit of Atomic Mass games they are showing paint jobs a lot of us could reasonably hope to obtain.

And as far as GW stuff having too much unnecessary detail that clutters the model? That is 100 percent true for a lot of their range, particularly the 40k stuff. I primarily play GW games, and painting the current Blood Bowl Orcs was a total pain due to how cluttered they are combined with a lot of "closed" poses. I think part of the reason I like the Warcry bands so much is that they don't have 7000 extra Chaos emblems, skulls or unnecessary details.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 13:18:10


Post by: Albino Squirrel


 Azreal13 wrote:
And the GW models are much more detailed.


After convincing a percentage of the hobby that they are the hobby, and a further percentage that using non-GW products in their games is "wrong," the greatest marketing gimmick GW have stuck the landing on has to be that covering every available flat surface in greeble is somehow desirable and makes a model worth more money.

GW are not making high def models while everyone else is still using VHS, and what somebody calls "detail" other people call cluttered and lacking creative restraint.


I don't disagree with any of that. Even so, looking at the closeup pictures of the Crisis Protocol miniatures, they do not look as well sculpted as any recent GW miniatures I have seen. Considering they are 40mm so at a significantly larger scale than GW miniatures, the sculpts seem just okay to me, not great. Obviously many of the models don't lend themselves to a lot of little details, like Venom. But the ones that have more to their outfit don't look that great to me. Just okay.

Spoiler:


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 17:10:31


Post by: Theophony


I’d argue against that . They look great for comic book heroes. Not so great for grimdark heroes who strut around with medals and ribbons and stuff dangling off everywhere. Comic book art is about imagination and I think these leave just enough to the imagination without going for excess details to draw the eyes. I don’t think we need details just for detail sake. It also leaves space for custom work, in case you want to do some battle damage of your own, or want to paint details in.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 17:39:24


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


If I was a better painter, I'd give Spider-man his Alex Ross colored outfit. As it stands, I might try giving Hulk his grey origin story color scheme, just to be different.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 17:55:31


Post by: Azreal13




Well, aside from the obvious differences in the standard of photography, it's blatantly obvious that most of the models for CP have been painted to a fairly low standard for publicity models. Allegedly they even used Citadel Contrast!

Setting that aside, is there anything fundamental misssing, detail wise, from the Starlord in that image and this one?
Spoiler:



Until I see actual, high quality, sprue shots I won't make a final decision, but the models here show all the hallmarks of being painted to a deadline, If you've followed any number of releases from FW you'll understand how badly that can turn out. Plus most of the sculpts hit all the right notes given they're actually replicating an existing idea rather than starting from scratch.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 19:40:18


Post by: His Master's Voice


 Theophony wrote:
Comic book art is about imagination


Really? I always thought comic book art was pretty explicit, much like most wargaming miniatures. And I've never heard anyone defend the quality of a miniature by saying "well, you can imagine it looking good".

That Starlord mini is fine, mind you, crappy photo and all. The biggest strike against it is the awkward coat and missing out on the iconic pose.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 19:56:41


Post by: Danny76


Going back to the last page about which version people are.
None of them will be MCU versions. (Or I’m sure I saw them say that somewhere?)
It’s just based on comics (though, that in many cases doesn’t narrow it down as there are many versions of each).

Ideally I’d like someone in my area to get this so I can give it a play and see.
Though I should really do the same with Batman, as I know people at the club have played it..


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 20:59:09


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


These folks seem super high on the game and its play mechanics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqPoVhzMvWo


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 21:09:45


Post by: WUWU


I like the models, I like the terrain concepts, the price point doesn't bother me for a skirmish game, nor even the packaging strategy.

But the rules... ehh, they seem so meh.

Continuing this (far too) long trend of boring skirmish games. It seems like a marginal improvement over Warcry, which is about as basic as you can get before just simply throwing dice at the floor and giggling


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 21:32:29


Post by: LunarSol


I've fair curious to see how the team tactics play out. That seems to be something that can inject a lot of character and strategy in the system. At the very least, I think the core set is a good enough deal that its worth picking up to trying out.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 21:47:10


Post by: Azreal13


WUWU wrote:

But the rules... ehh, they seem so meh.


That's my biggest nagging doubt, too.

But then, given there's likely a lot of FFG DNA in this (excessive tokens, proprietary game aids all being a big clue, alongside the corporate connections) it's quite possible that much of the intricacy of the gameplay resides in the cards, the X Wing core rules were barely any more complicated, the original core rules not much more than a four fold leaflet, and that had plenty of depth.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 23:09:23


Post by: AduroT


The tokens and widgets are probably more an influence of their Warmachine background than FFG influence really.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 23:13:10


Post by: WUWU


If you look at the Atomic Mass Games company address in the rulebook pdf, it's FFG headquarters.

I'm not entirely sure what the company dynamic is, but it appears this is an FFG property in all but name.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/14 23:46:45


Post by: Azreal13


 AduroT wrote:
The tokens and widgets are probably more an influence of their Warmachine background than FFG influence really.


The use of "official" tools for the measurement of distance is not in the least WMH and completely Legion.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/15 00:12:11


Post by: AduroT


 Azreal13 wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
The tokens and widgets are probably more an influence of their Warmachine background than FFG influence really.


The use of "official" tools for the measurement of distance is not in the least WMH and completely Legion.


Oh, they may not have been Official in Warmachine, but using precise measurement widgets for that super clean game is definitely a thing.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/15 00:39:23


Post by: Azreal13


Not what I meant.

I play a lot of Guild Ball, which is a product of former WMH players, I also use measuring sticks. But those sticks are marked 4", 8" whatever, they're a choice of convenience and not needed.

Legion, X Wing, Armada and now this use proprietary S/M/L style templates without specifying range, sometimes even articulated.
t's not the same thing and entirely a hallmark of FFG releases.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/15 01:54:50


Post by: Albino Squirrel


Which is weird, because it dictates where you're allowed to change direction. Which might make sense for a vehicle game or something. A fast moving ship might have to travel farther before it can end up facing a different direction. But for a person walking it's a bit strange.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/15 02:30:05


Post by: Azreal13


Those might be for vehicles, I don't play so I wouldn't know. That said, it does look like the cutout is designed for an infantry style round base.

What would make it weirder, infantry or vehicle, is the equivalent widget for capital ships in Armada has multiple points of articulation, so they clearly had already developed the idea of a bendy widget.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/15 06:08:10


Post by: LunarSol


In legion only vehicles move along the bend exactly. Troopers can land anywhere inside the gauge so the bend mostly just helps with corners.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/16 16:25:40


Post by: Grot 6


This looks like a cash grab. expect people to run out buy a bunch of these, then FFG pulls the plug on it 5 minutes after it releases.

If you want superheros, go play something like Superfigs, Pulp City, or any of the other mini games out there. Over priced, Underwhelming, and just another stick to throw into the Marvel fatigue dumpster fire. This is a hard pass.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/16 19:25:07


Post by: Alpharius


OK...

Anyway, here's hoping it isn't any of that.

Or, even if it ends up 'only' lasting 3 to 5 years, here's hoping all the characters I'm looking for - and then some - get releases!

(I do like Pulp City too though! And they just re-opened their webstore - and there's a discount now too!)


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/16 20:49:34


Post by: ced1106


 Grot 6 wrote:
This looks like a cash grab. expect people to run out buy a bunch of these, then FFG pulls the plug on it 5 minutes after it releases.


Boardgamer who paints here. FFG has a history of throwing out a game line out there, see if it makes enough money, then drop it if it doesn't. Leave the customers hanging. They just did that with Runewars (and Battlelore).

At these prices (and the need to assemble and paint these), there's no way that either the boardgame market or "display it on my desk at work" audiences will buy these miniatures. They're clearly aimed towards the smaller niche of modelers and painters.

The non-standard scale is a gamble. Worked for Star Wars Legion, I guess. Could be licensing issues preventing the miniatures from being more accessible to non-modelers.

Myself, I'll pick up the starter set if it hits a deep discount. At least the starting ten miniatures I like better than the WizKids agents (?) game. Is WK still supporting it?


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/16 20:53:03


Post by: angel of death 007


 ced1106 wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
This looks like a cash grab. expect people to run out buy a bunch of these, then FFG pulls the plug on it 5 minutes after it releases.


Boardgamer who paints here. FFG has a history of throwing out a game line out there, see if it makes enough money, then drop it if it doesn't. Leave the customers hanging. They just did that with Runewars (and Battlelore).

At these prices (and the need to assemble and paint these), there's no way that either the boardgame market or "display it on my desk at work" audiences will buy these miniatures. They're clearly aimed towards the smaller niche of modelers and painters.

The non-standard scale is a gamble. Worked for Star Wars Legion, I guess. Could be licensing issues preventing the miniatures from being more accessible to non-modelers.

Myself, I'll pick up the starter set if it hits a deep discount. At least the starting ten miniatures I like better than the WizKids agents (?) game. Is WK still supporting it?


I dunno you know how many people said that same exact thing about Star Wars Legion, and look at it go.... I think there is enough love for all things Marvel that it will entice both minigamers and boardgamers.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/16 20:54:17


Post by: LunarSol


Why do people keep insisting Legion is in a non-standard scale?


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/16 21:06:42


Post by: Sqorgar


 LunarSol wrote:
Why do people keep insisting Legion is in a non-standard scale?
Basically, it is a different scale than every other Star Wars miniature game released before, but mainly it comes from the incompatibilities with Imperial Assault.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/16 21:18:09


Post by: LunarSol


 Sqorgar wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Why do people keep insisting Legion is in a non-standard scale?
Basically, it is a different scale than every other Star Wars miniature game released before, but mainly it comes from the incompatibilities with Imperial Assault.


Sure, but the models are the size of like.... other miniature games. They're just bigger than the stuff before that was board game sized.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/16 21:24:48


Post by: ced1106


> I dunno you know how many people said that same exact thing about Star Wars Legion, and look at it go.... I think there is enough love for all things Marvel that it will entice both minigamers and boardgamers.

> Why do people keep insisting Legion is in a non-standard scale?

Not making a forecast, but I'll let others drop a few hundred dollars first before making a decision. (:


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 16:06:37


Post by: PalmerC


 Grot 6 wrote:
This looks like a cash grab. expect people to run out buy a bunch of these, then FFG pulls the plug on it 5 minutes after it releases.

If you want superheros, go play something like Superfigs, Pulp City, or any of the other mini games out there. Over priced, Underwhelming, and just another stick to throw into the Marvel fatigue dumpster fire. This is a hard pass.


I think it’s important to note this game is not by FFG. It’s by Atomic Mass Games who like FFG are owned by Asmodee. This is AMG’s debut as a game company so they logically would not want to debut with something that is going to be immediately tossed aside. Personally I am excited that Asmodee is involved in hopes that there is sufficient licensing experience based on the Star Wars success to maintain a Marvel game with lots of releases.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 16:38:40


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


I'm terrified of Asmodee's presence strictly because they are the worst distributor in the industry right now, and stock issues plague everything they do. A Song of Ice and Fire for example is a major IP-backed, excellent game, that is a fraction of as popular as it could be because of distribution problems.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 16:48:18


Post by: PalmerC


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'm terrified of Asmodee's presence strictly because they are the worst distributor in the industry right now, and stock issues plague everything they do. A Song of Ice and Fire for example is a major IP-backed, excellent game, that is a fraction of as popular as it could be because of distribution problems
.



I love Star Wars Armada and never really have had an issue in getting anyhing I wanted for Armada or X-Wing first edition, putting that aside X-Wing would have never rose to the popularity it has if Asmodee had poor distribution. I have seen their product in book stores boardgaming stores miniature game stores toy stores. That kind of distribution regardless of someone’s personal experience is a level above what we see typically in the TT hobby.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 16:50:10


Post by: Albino Squirrel


It seems like it's pretty much a Fantasy Flight game, but they outsourced the rules writing and sculpting to a consulting company, which only formed to work on this project for them. I mean, I can't imagine any independent company working on their own independent game deciding that it would be ideal to use the goofy movement templates that Fantasy Flight Games uses, and paying FFG to use their templates in their game.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 16:57:39


Post by: PalmerC


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
It seems like it's pretty much a Fantasy Flight game, but they outsourced the rules writing and sculpting to a consulting company, which only formed to work on this project for them. I mean, I can't imagine any independent company working on their own independent game deciding that it would be ideal to use the goofy movement templates that Fantasy Flight Games uses, and paying FFG to use their templates in their game.


Maybe but maybe not? I would imagine from a corporate perspective FFG has within its core competencies to produce this product if it wanted to.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 17:14:08


Post by: balmong7


PalmerC wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'm terrified of Asmodee's presence strictly because they are the worst distributor in the industry right now, and stock issues plague everything they do. A Song of Ice and Fire for example is a major IP-backed, excellent game, that is a fraction of as popular as it could be because of distribution problems.



I love Star Wars Armada and never really have had an issue in getting anyhing I wanted for Armada or X-Wing first edition, putting that aside X-Wing would have never rose to the popularity it has if Asmodee had poor distribution. I have seen their product in book stores boardgaming stores miniature game stores toy stores. That kind of distribution regardless of someone’s personal experience is a level above what we see typically in the TT hobby.


There was for sure a stock issue during X-Wing 1.0. Going back to try and find ships from older waves was always a pain, especially if that ship was one of the Meta ships or contained cards used in the meta. I spent months trying to track down a K-Wing. Never did manage to get my hands on the star-wing.

They would do like 2 or 3 initial prints, then when the next wave got announced would stop producing the prior wave. The only exception was the wave 1 ships and the start boxes.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 17:14:28


Post by: Sqorgar


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
It seems like it's pretty much a Fantasy Flight game, but they outsourced the rules writing and sculpting to a consulting company, which only formed to work on this project for them. I mean, I can't imagine any independent company working on their own independent game deciding that it would be ideal to use the goofy movement templates that Fantasy Flight Games uses, and paying FFG to use their templates in their game.
It does seem really unlikely that a new company would land a major license like Marvel, with the resources and experience to do full plastic kits right out the gate on a good 30-40 sculpts before even announcing the game (which they did during the FFG conference, right after FFG announced a Marvel card game)... Asmodee as a whole doesn't really do this stuff, but FFG has their own building dedicated to miniature design and has extensive experience and expertise in this area. It really does feel like Atomic Mass Games may have designed the game system, but FFG is doing all the heavy lifting for them (license procurement, miniature production, distribution, promotion).

I'm really curious what their long term plan for this game is. They've got most of the more popular Marvel characters available from the start... but then what? They have nowhere to go but down...


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 17:29:44


Post by: Azreal13


balmong7 wrote:
PalmerC wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'm terrified of Asmodee's presence strictly because they are the worst distributor in the industry right now, and stock issues plague everything they do. A Song of Ice and Fire for example is a major IP-backed, excellent game, that is a fraction of as popular as it could be because of distribution problems.



I love Star Wars Armada and never really have had an issue in getting anyhing I wanted for Armada or X-Wing first edition, putting that aside X-Wing would have never rose to the popularity it has if Asmodee had poor distribution. I have seen their product in book stores boardgaming stores miniature game stores toy stores. That kind of distribution regardless of someone’s personal experience is a level above what we see typically in the TT hobby.


There was for sure a stock issue during X-Wing 1.0. Going back to try and find ships from older waves was always a pain, especially if that ship was one of the Meta ships or contained cards used in the meta. I spent months trying to track down a K-Wing. Never did manage to get my hands on the star-wing.

They would do like 2 or 3 initial prints, then when the next wave got announced would stop producing the prior wave. The only exception was the wave 1 ships and the start boxes.


I seem to remember seeing a Millennium Falcon sell for in excess of double the RRP on eBay just prior to Nationals when they were sold out everywhere, almost £70.

I played for the first time several months later than I would have otherwise done because the chap who ordered the initial stuff to try it out had to wait for stock.

The FFG product tracker was a staple of conversation for months, as to whether stuff was due for reprint, on the boat etc.

X Wing 1.0 was plagued with stock issues.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 17:29:49


Post by: timetowaste85


Uh...they have no mutants. Wolverine, Deadpool (mutate, not mutant), Magneto...you know, just to throw a few unimportant names out. It’s not like everyone can be as well known as Squirrel Girl!

Facepalm is not directed at anyone, just in reference to the fact that there is something as stupid as “Squirrel Girl”.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 17:33:48


Post by: Azreal13


PalmerC wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
This looks like a cash grab. expect people to run out buy a bunch of these, then FFG pulls the plug on it 5 minutes after it releases.

If you want superheros, go play something like Superfigs, Pulp City, or any of the other mini games out there. Over priced, Underwhelming, and just another stick to throw into the Marvel fatigue dumpster fire. This is a hard pass.


I think it’s important to note this game is not by FFG. It’s by Atomic Mass Games who like FFG are owned by Asmodee. This is AMG’s debut as a game company so they logically would not want to debut with something that is going to be immediately tossed aside. Personally I am excited that Asmodee is involved in hopes that there is sufficient licensing experience based on the Star Wars success to maintain a Marvel game with lots of releases.


While I don't agree with Grot's perspective, it's a little naive to think AMG have any real say at all in what happens to the game, if it performs poorly it'll get tossed just like every other FFG game that hasn't taken off. I'd also argue that saying it's AMG and not FFG is a little like claiming a game isn't a GW game because it's published by FW. I mean, sure, you can point to certain differences but it is ultimately a product of the same stable and you can see the same DNA all through it.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 18:47:07


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


Worth noting, FFG wasn't owned by Asmodee when they made X-wing a distribution marvel. Those deals were 100% inherited years later by Asmodee.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 19:12:31


Post by: Theophony


 timetowaste85 wrote:
Uh...they have no mutants. Wolverine, Deadpool (mutate, not mutant), Magneto...you know, just to throw a few unimportant names out. It’s not like everyone can be as well known as Squirrel Girl!

Facepalm is not directed at anyone, just in reference to the fact that there is something as stupid as “Squirrel Girl”.


While I too am awaiting the X-universe, I have to remind myself that marvel just got their rights back, so Atomic probably couldn’t make those models when the idea was pitched.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 19:43:48


Post by: grefven


 Alpharius wrote:
Or, even if it ends up 'only' lasting 3 to 5 years, here's hoping all the characters I'm looking for - and then some - get releases!


Which characters are you hoping for?


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 20:24:15


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


grefven wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
Or, even if it ends up 'only' lasting 3 to 5 years, here's hoping all the characters I'm looking for - and then some - get releases!


Which characters are you hoping for?


I know you didn't ask me, but i'm dying to answer.

Sooooo many.

"Hawkguy" version of Hawkeye
Moon Knight/Mr. Knight 2-pack
Howard the Duck/Man-Thing 2-pack
Kamala Khan/Lockjaw 2-pack
Blade
OG Ghost Rider...

... everything. ;-p


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 20:51:42


Post by: grefven


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
grefven wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
Or, even if it ends up 'only' lasting 3 to 5 years, here's hoping all the characters I'm looking for - and then some - get releases!


Which characters are you hoping for?


I know you didn't ask me, but i'm dying to answer.

Sooooo many.

"Hawkguy" version of Hawkeye
Moon Knight/Mr. Knight 2-pack
Howard the Duck/Man-Thing 2-pack
Kamala Khan/Lockjaw 2-pack
Blade
OG Ghost Rider...

... everything. ;-p


I can see a few of them coming. Moon Knight is pretty popular, as is Blade. Ghost Rider for sure. The others. Not so sure.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 21:23:17


Post by: PalmerC




While I don't agree with Grot's perspective, it's a little naive to think AMG have any real say at all in what happens to the game, if it performs poorly it'll get tossed just like every other FFG game that hasn't taken off. I'd also argue that saying it's AMG and not FFG is a little like claiming a game isn't a GW game because it's published by FW. I mean, sure, you can point to certain differences but it is ultimately a product of the same stable and you can see the same DNA all through it.


I think the FW comparison is excellent. In my limited purchases from FW I knew the price, design elements, quality, materials etc would be significantly different from GW proper. Its like saying when FW teases something it will be supplied as a plastic snap fit sprue as a starter set etc just because the parent company is GW. There may be clear similarities in the movement templates but I dont think we can say its going to be exactly the same as anything and I say that as someone who likes FFG products.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 21:39:13


Post by: Alpharius


grefven wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
Or, even if it ends up 'only' lasting 3 to 5 years, here's hoping all the characters I'm looking for - and then some - get releases!


Which characters are you hoping for?


Dr. Doom
The Fantastic Four
Green Goblin
Mysterio
Kraven
Electro
Vulture
Sandman
Moon Knight
Spider-Man 2099
Abomination

...and a lot more!



Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 21:50:56


Post by: Azreal13


PalmerC wrote:


While I don't agree with Grot's perspective, it's a little naive to think AMG have any real say at all in what happens to the game, if it performs poorly it'll get tossed just like every other FFG game that hasn't taken off. I'd also argue that saying it's AMG and not FFG is a little like claiming a game isn't a GW game because it's published by FW. I mean, sure, you can point to certain differences but it is ultimately a product of the same stable and you can see the same DNA all through it.


I think the FW comparison is excellent. In my limited purchases from FW I knew the price, design elements, quality, materials etc would be significantly different from GW proper. Its like saying when FW teases something it will be supplied as a plastic snap fit sprue as a starter set etc just because the parent company is GW. There may be clear similarities in the movement templates but I dont think we can say its going to be exactly the same as anything and I say that as someone who likes FFG products.


How about having read the rulebook and there being notable similarities to how existing FFG games work? It's available for free. Nothings been lifted wholesale, of course, but I've played enough FFG titles to see the fingerprints.

Plus I specifically said "game" not model when comparing FW/GW. HH, for instance, has unique units and models, but there's no argument that it is a very similar game to 40K. Or at least to the version of 40K that was current when it originally launched, and it would be a futile thing to argue it wasnt.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 22:01:49


Post by: PalmerC


 Azreal13 wrote:
PalmerC wrote:


While I don't agree with Grot's perspective, it's a little naive to think AMG have any real say at all in what happens to the game, if it performs poorly it'll get tossed just like every other FFG game that hasn't taken off. I'd also argue that saying it's AMG and not FFG is a little like claiming a game isn't a GW game because it's published by FW. I mean, sure, you can point to certain differences but it is ultimately a product of the same stable and you can see the same DNA all through it.


I think the FW comparison is excellent. In my limited purchases from FW I knew the price, design elements, quality, materials etc would be significantly different from GW proper. Its like saying when FW teases something it will be supplied as a plastic snap fit sprue as a starter set etc just because the parent company is GW. There may be clear similarities in the movement templates but I dont think we can say its going to be exactly the same as anything and I say that as someone who likes FFG products.


How about having read the rulebook and there being notable similarities to how existing FFG games work? It's available for free. Nothings been lifted wholesale, of course, but I've played enough FFG titles to see the fingerprints.

Plus I specifically said "game" not model when comparing FW/GW. HH, for instance, has unique units and models, but there's no argument that it is a very similar game to 40K. Or at least to the version of 40K that was current when it originally launched, and it would be a futile thing to argue it wasnt.


Oh I’ve already read the rules as well and honestly have no idea what your talking about as the distinct similarities I thnk its closer to MUMG but its a matter of opinion.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 22:10:41


Post by: nagash42


If heroclix can come out with a X-Men heavy set (like they are just about to) I'm sure crisis protocol won't have a problem.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 22:25:21


Post by: Azreal13


PalmerC wrote:
Spoiler:
 Azreal13 wrote:
PalmerC wrote:


While I don't agree with Grot's perspective, it's a little naive to think AMG have any real say at all in what happens to the game, if it performs poorly it'll get tossed just like every other FFG game that hasn't taken off. I'd also argue that saying it's AMG and not FFG is a little like claiming a game isn't a GW game because it's published by FW. I mean, sure, you can point to certain differences but it is ultimately a product of the same stable and you can see the same DNA all through it.


I think the FW comparison is excellent. In my limited purchases from FW I knew the price, design elements, quality, materials etc would be significantly different from GW proper. Its like saying when FW teases something it will be supplied as a plastic snap fit sprue as a starter set etc just because the parent company is GW. There may be clear similarities in the movement templates but I dont think we can say its going to be exactly the same as anything and I say that as someone who likes FFG products.


How about having read the rulebook and there being notable similarities to how existing FFG games work? It's available for free. Nothings been lifted wholesale, of course, but I've played enough FFG titles to see the fingerprints.

Plus I specifically said "game" not model when comparing FW/GW. HH, for instance, has unique units and models, but there's no argument that it is a very similar game to 40K. Or at least to the version of 40K that was current when it originally launched, and it would be a futile thing to argue it wasnt.


Oh I’ve already read the rules as well and honestly have no idea what your talking about as the distinct similarities I thnk its closer to MUMG but its a matter of opinion.


The dice based damage and defence system is a rejigged version of Imperial Assault, the proprietary movement and range widgets are very similar to Legion which itself iterated on X Wing and Armada, the card based mission system is present in many if their games in some flavour or another, as is the "rulebook is light, cards do the heavy lifting for the exceptions and modifications" philosophy.

Perhaps those things are present in other games from other companies that I've not played, but I can confidently state that those are things just from games by FFG that I've played.

If AMG weren't affiliated with FFG I'd still think this, but I'd just chalk it up to the fact that ideas get borrowed from successful products, that they're part of the same group and apparently based in the same building? Then that goes beyond coincidental.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 22:53:12


Post by: PalmerC



The dice based damage and defence system is a rejigged version of Imperial Assault, the proprietary movement and range widgets are very similar to Legion which itself iterated on X Wing and Armada, the card based mission system is present in many if their games in some flavour or another, as is the "rulebook is light, cards do the heavy lifting for the exceptions and modifications" philosophy.

Perhaps those things are present in other games from other companies that I've not played, but I can confidently state that those are things just from games by FFG that I've played.

If AMG weren't affiliated with FFG I'd still think this, but I'd just chalk it up to the fact that ideas get borrowed from successful products, that they're part of the same group and apparently based in the same building? Then that goes beyond coincidental.


I agree that specialty dice are the same idea and to a certain extent movement templates but I find how movement templates are provided and used significantly different across FFG products like armada’s usage for ships being the main aspect of the game is very different than xwing and not just rehashed. Game components are really a means to an end not the be all end all IMO they achieve the same effect as alternatives with traditional dice and tape measure it just attempts to be more elegant and novel at times. Funny enough there are folks after having read the rules that are disappointed that it is not Marvel Imperial Assault. Being a low model count skirmish game in the super hero arena I expect it will play differently than most FFG games. I am not going to get into KM’s MUMG which is a bit of a sore spot but I find the inclusion of most of the relevant info on the character card and not adjoining cards that cost points to position this game very differently than Xwing armada and from what I know of Legion. Attacks and super powers being on the main character card gives it a much closer feel for me to MUMG. Having missions that determine threat level that then influence how you form your team after the fact is different than what I have experienced in FFG games.
I am excited about this release but can’t really judge how the game will play until having tried it a few times. My initial observation that could be a concern was the narrow spread of power level between heroes and how it might represent a large variety in the comics. However some folks have already pointed out that power levels won’t be the sole determinant of utility in the game etc so again to soon to tell.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 23:23:46


Post by: Alpharius


¶?

I’m hoping there’s a lot more to the rules and character interactions then we’ve seen so far.

I have to think there will be...


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/17 23:43:52


Post by: PalmerC


 Alpharius wrote:
¶?

I’m hoping there’s a lot more to the rules and character interactions then we’ve seen so far.

I have to think there will be...


Not sure if this helps but one person questioned the throwing rules and what was communicated is the specifics of lets say how heavy and how far a specific character could throw something would be in the form of an attack or power on their card. So as was mentioned the system will heavily rely on the character card for detail on how something that will happen actually works. This implies to me that in the throwing example some folks will not be able to throw things around but I am good with that I think certain characters are more likely to act in certain ways and I dont mind the streamlining.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/18 01:41:24


Post by: Albino Squirrel


I don't think there's much beyond what we've seen, Alpharius. Even most of the starter set character cards have been seen. The basic rules/stats are fairly generic, almost like they weren't meant for a super hero game at all, honestly. The main things that differentiate characters are their "bespoke" rules: the attacks and super powers on their cards.

There are more missions than what has been shown, but it sounds like it's always some variation of take and hold things or grab and escape with things. There are the Team Tactics cards. Sort of like stratagems from 40k sounds like, except you choose a certain number of them to have available in the game from the ones you've chosen to have on your roster. So there could be some interesting things on those I suppose. I'd guess that's where you'd get interactions between allied characters, like a fastball special or something. Hard to say, as I haven't seen examples of them.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/18 02:47:46


Post by: Alpharius


If this is really the case, and combined with the odd scale choice, well, I might have to rethink all this and stick with Pulp City.

Time will tell...


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/18 03:20:28


Post by: Albino Squirrel


I take that back. I do remember seeing a team tactics card example, though I can't recall where I saw it. But it required Iron Man and Captain America, and Iron Man could use it on his activation to basically fire a beam at cap's shield and have it reflect off and hit an enemy within line of sight and some range of cap. So yeah, seems like that sort of thing will be on the Team Tactics cards. And presumably some of those will come with each model as they will likely often be specific to certain combinations of characters.

From what I've seen so far the rules seem... okay. I guess I'll have to see how it all comes together. With interesting missions it could probably be fun, but my impression is that they want the missions to be very symmetrical, which seems like it will be limiting.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/18 03:31:56


Post by: nagash42


At first I was sad cause they talk about not being able to throw friendly models as that meant no fastball special. But then I remember tactic cards to colossus or wolverine might come with lol.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/19 06:29:42


Post by: ced1106


Maybe I'm confusing Asmodee with Asmodee but if you thought FFG put game lines on the chopping block, Asmodee pruned everything but one or few game lines from entire game companies.

With the $100 MSRP Conan Boardgame, Monolith games was *losing* money on each sale, thanks to Asmodee offering $27 per copy to buy a game that cost $35 to produce.

No, I don't care if you spend or don't spend your money on this game.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/22 17:29:07


Post by: Zetan


It's astonishing how often my opinion differs so wildly from the average person on here. I could not be more excited about this game, and it's the rules that do it for me. The IP is good, but I assumed that (like Legion) it would rely too much on the IP and not be a very interesting game. Then I read that rulebook.

The "take 10 models, then build our team from a subset of that after scenario is picked" is amazing. It's the closest I've seen a miniatures game come to the CCG concept of "sideboarding," allowing you to take utility pieces that might not be worthwhile in most matchups/scenarios, but you have them around for that one time you do need them. It will vastly reduce the times you "lose during list building" which is far too common in miniatures games.

The resource management system is clever. The fact that you get power points for taking damage from enemies is a great comeback mechanic, and makes you think twice about even something as simple as attacking someone... if you attack someone who hasn't activated yet, do you think you can do enough damage to daze them? Or are you just going to be feeding into them having a better turn? Lots of interesting decision-making there, and I love it. Feels very superhero, too... you might want to think twice about punching Groot or shooting the Hulk... it's might hurt them a bit, but the hurt that's coming back to you is going to be way worse. This also solves the "I don't want to get into charge range" problem a lot of miniatures games have where attacking first is a huge advantage; in this, attacking second will sometimes be better.

People are comparing the rules to FFG, and while I can see the similarities, these are so much more well-written and concise. I've literally had t-shirts printed with jokes about how hard FFG rules are to parse. This game has an entire paragraph devoted to defining "effects" and another one for "resolved" with plenty of clear examples throughout the book. As a rules judge, the writing of this book delights me.

All in all, if you're looking for an accurate simulation of superheroes fighting, I don't think this will be the game for you. "Cap can't hit that guy with his shield because he doesn't have enough power points right now, so he has to punch them" feels dumb and contrived. For people who are bothered by that, my understanding is that there are other games out there. But from the perspective of a gamer, looking for a game with lots of interesting decisions, resource management and risk/reward analysis, this looks like a winner of a system. I'd play a game with these rules in the blandest of settings.

But then again, I find X-Wing to be the boring, dicey cousin of the much more interesting Runewars, so my opinions are clearly not shared by the majority.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/22 17:41:59


Post by: ajax_xaja


Zetan wrote:
It's astonishing how often my opinion differs so wildly from the average person on here.


Nah, I'd say your opinions match closely with the majority of the people who have seen the game so far. Marvel's a hugely successful IP, and the fanbase is as rabid as the Star Wars one, if not even more widespread.

Dakka tends to have an unusually salty vocal user base when they see something that they're uninterested in or priced out of.

Misery enjoys company.

The game so far has had an immensely strong growth in community on Facebook, and general excitement is really high. Don't take what you see in this thread too seriously :p


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/22 17:52:21


Post by: Sqorgar


Zetan wrote:

The "take 10 models, then build our team from a subset of that after scenario is picked" is amazing. It's the closest I've seen a miniatures game come to the CCG concept of "sideboarding," allowing you to take utility pieces that might not be worthwhile in most matchups/scenarios, but you have them around for that one time you do need them. It will vastly reduce the times you "lose during list building" which is far too common in miniatures games.

This isn't exactly uncommon in narrative campaign games, like Necromunda, Warcry (on convergences), or Kill Team. Most of them have rosters that you choose your team from after the scenario is chosen. I think competitive Malifaux also has you picking the scenario and schemes, then hiring your crew.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/22 17:58:11


Post by: Azreal13


Guild Ball also has it at tournament level, you bring a squad (of 10 I think currently, maybe 12) then each match you roll off to draft your Captain, then take it in turns adding players to your team. So while the victory conditions are fixed, you can alter how you go about achieving them based on who you choose, and also adapt to your opponents choices, but can only react on a player by player basis, you don't get to see the whole six at once.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/22 19:47:10


Post by: ImAGeek


Malifaux does it too, iirc.


Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.  @ 2019/08/23 15:20:01


Post by: PalmerC


 ajax_xaja wrote:
Zetan wrote:
It's astonishing how often my opinion differs so wildly from the average person on here.


Nah, I'd say your opinions match closely with the majority of the people who have seen the game so far. Marvel's a hugely successful IP, and the fanbase is as rabid as the Star Wars one, if not even more widespread.

Dakka tends to have an unusually salty vocal user base when they see something that they're uninterested in or priced out of.

Misery enjoys company.

The game so far has had an immensely strong growth in community on Facebook, and general excitement is really high. Don't take what you see in this thread too seriously :p


I just chalked it up to what I like to refer to the Star Wars phenomena. There are a ton of fans for the first movie. With each consecutive movie as more and more are released it makes it much harder to like them. Maybe it’s comparing to the earlier versions maybe it’s the growing amount of material and complexity contradictions as something gets bigger. I find that with the amount of games available today people are often looking for a holy grail which none of them live up to based on everything else that is available. Besides the fact that the sheer volume of options that are constantly being released are an ever present distraction for many to focus on time intensive TT games.