You now what if done well... well feth the guys that don't have powers.
I'm indifferent. I play marines so I'll get like a 40 dollar piece of plastic that probably hurts my 70 dollar plastic men more than my friends plastic men. At least I could paint them up so they look good on display or for a nice picture
How do you know that they are going to get endless psychic powers? All we know is that there is something involving psykers, which may also result in non-psychic armies finally getting to do something in the psychic phase, because if there are suddenly a bunch of psykers popping up everywhere, why wouldn't you develop proper counter measures?
How do you know that they are going to get endless psychic powers? All we know is that there is something involving psykers, which may also result in non-psychic armies finally getting to do something in the psychic phase, because if there are suddenly a bunch of psykers popping up everywhere, why wouldn't you develop proper counter measures?
We don't but general consensus is that it is likely going to be something like endless spells. We could be wrong, so only time will tell. As non psychic factions getting something to do, in AoS armies without wizards can usually deal with endless spells, regular spells, and summon their own endless spells through priests so it could be something similar in 40k.
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Carnikang wrote: if they really do it, they better release them all in one go.
Unlikely. What is more likely is something similar to AoS were a set of general ones will be released first with faction specific ones released with codexes. Since the Chaos and loyalist space marines are likely to be released before them there models might be released at the same time.
Endless Spells in 40K makes a lot of sense. It would affect "all races" in the galaxy. Even those with mental powers would just get similar powered abilities so Tau would get some kind of super drone summoning ability etc...
GW has copy-catted the concept of faction terrain into the game and as Endless Spells prove very popular in AoS I can see them appearing in 40K. A bit of a shame since I felt that the spells helped give AoS unique features and identity of its own; but not a shock as from GW's perspective its another product line they can sell.
Plus if they want they can outsource to China; cutting costs and letting them release them faster. Though it will be interesting to see how they model them - most for AoS were "spells" rather than creatures so the reduced sculpting quality wasn't as much of an issue. However the loss of fine details might be something that impacts 40K more so - esp for techno factions like Tau and Necrons.
The other bonus is, like the terrain, its a one-item-purchase per player. So for many gamers its not a huge commitment to purchase and they are often quite versatile in how they fit into armies.
The one area that might be harder is that in AoS there were generic spells that every army could take; for 40K that is a LOT less practical because so many factions have unique mental abilities and very few draw from the same mana-pool. In AoS most mages draw from the Winds of Magic so it makes sense that spells like the Purple Sun can be cast by mages from around the whole realm - if you're a mage you can cast it. In 40K the kind of mental abilities that a Zoanthrope might call on are totally alien compared to those a Librarian might call upon.
Of course GW also invented smite, but I'd think generic " abilities" might not go down as well for 40K.
Hopefully this is a complete redesign of the entire magic phase in 40k as the current system is an absolute trainwreck.
Alternatively this could just be GW's way to segway us into a small primaris Grey Knight model release and hopefully some Eldar. Especially if they are allied to fight off Slaanesh.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: As long as they don't make all the Marine stuff psychic. I play Black Templars and World Eaters, so yeah...
Yeah, that's a big one for me as well. Though it would be hilarious for Templars to have floating religious iconography as their version of "endless spells", like a flying iron cross smacking people around all over the place or an upscaled holy hand grenade nuking people. World Eaters I would expect to reuse the Khornate "endless spells" from AoS.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: As long as they don't make all the Marine stuff psychic. I play Black Templars and World Eaters, so yeah...
Yeah, that's a big one for me as well. Though it would be hilarious for Templars to have floating religious iconography as their version of "endless spells", like a flying iron cross smacking people around all over the place or an upscaled holy hand grenade nuking people.
Nvs wrote: the current system is an absolute trainwreck.
Not sure how you come to that conclusion...
Because tsons can spam 30MW per turn, while tau and necrons can do absolutely nothing. Hopefully tsons wont be able to spam 60MW per turn with the new awakening.
greyknight12 wrote: For those of us who don’t play AOS, how do “Endless Spells” work?
First you have to spend the points to be able to use an endless spell. It is per model. Then when a wizard can cast a spell you can choose to have them cast an endless spell. It has a casting value like in 40k and can be denied, if it goes off it is set up a set distance from the caster. Some are stationary but others can move at the start of each round (not necessarily by the one who cast it). Each one has an effect with rules. They can be removed in three ways; it moves off the battlefield, an effect removes it, or is dispelled by a wizard by a 2D6 roll greater then the casting value.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: As long as they don't make all the Marine stuff psychic. I play Black Templars and World Eaters, so yeah...
If the black templars are ever able to make librarians again, they would welcome them... (one variant of that fluff)
Maybe the day has come for a psychic reawakening of the black templars.
Its possible with the merging of the basic Marine line in the new Codex. Supposedly all chapters - even the non-codex-compliant DA/BA/SW can take anything from the main book (Think Centurions) - though that may have been a generalization - or Libby's (And Cents and what all else) could move entirely to the chapter specific books to maintain a link to their Chapter Specific spell list or separation from chapters that aren't allowed to take them. In the case of Cent's that could be a pretty hardcore bait and switch players won't like.
stonehorse wrote: Am I alone in hoping that this is a hint of the Enslavers returning, and an Inquisition force to battle it?
It feels to me like more of the nostalgia second edition stuff, when you summoned demons. Now instead of Demons, everyone's going to get to summon magical mcguffins that are semi-permanent extra models on the battlefield.
Morgasm the Powerfull wrote: I do hope that Tau get something cool like a Kroot psyker who summons some big ghost animals to wreck face, and not just big robot.
Though it'll probably be a big robot.
A big mech suit might not be that bad. It could be piloted by a Nicassar.
Morgasm the Powerfull wrote: I do hope that Tau get something cool like a Kroot psyker who summons some big ghost animals to wreck face, and not just big robot.
Though it'll probably be a big robot.
A big mech suit might not be that bad. It could be piloted by a Nicassar.
Morgasm the Powerfull wrote: I do hope that Tau get something cool like a Kroot psyker who summons some big ghost animals to wreck face, and not just big robot.
Though it'll probably be a big robot.
Nah. You'd more likely get some of the stuff mentioned in the lore but never shown. Things like nanobot swarms that repair Crisis Suits, those Command Drones that only Shadowsun currently has, Stealth Drones that can cloak portions of your army.
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: As long as they don't make all the Marine stuff psychic. I play Black Templars and World Eaters, so yeah...
As mentioned, Khorne has some of the most powerful 'Remains in Play' style stuff right now in AoS with their Judgements.
That said, I wouldn't be too bothered--some of the factions that can't just outright Dispel Endless Spells have traits/perks that let them either mitigate the damage or they have characters that 'count as' Wizards that would let them destroy them. Also, you not having a Wizard wouldn't mean you could not affect the item if they go to the system in AoS--players move them and you can move the enemy's potentially.
So, since my earlier post has been removed, (fair enough, as it was minimal) I'll post again with:
I am unenthusiastic about this news. I'd prefer spells not to become more central/recieve more emphasis in 40K. Caveat being that I'll wait to see how they actally manifest.
I wonder if this does turn out to be "modelled Psychic powers" would the marine power fury of the ancients be a small squad of ghostly marines in Mk2-5 armour on a big base running about shooting, fighting etc.?
Dr. Mills wrote: I wonder if this does turn out to be "modelled Psychic powers" would the marine power fury of the ancients be a small squad of ghostly marines in Mk2-5 armour on a big base running about shooting, fighting etc.?
To me, that sounds pretty cool.
It all depends on how they implement it. I'd personally love a 'physical\ manifestation of a skittering horde of tyranids scratching at the minds of psykers, dealing mental damage and making it harder for them to cast/dispel.
OP was hardly the only one to ‘call this’. Lots of us have speculated that Endless Spells would manifest in 40K somehow. This seems to be that coming true, for sure.
Elbows wrote: Tau could get a hyper-tech version, a bunch of holograms, void shields, etc. Stuff like that could have some similar rules, abilities just to fit in.
Don't Etherials already manifest "abilities" in game? The high tech stuff would be cooler but they go with more of that.
Looking forward to the Sisters of Battle manifesting their Faith
.....and how Sisters of Silence and other blanks interact with this - I don't recall anyhting like them in AOS?
JohnnyHell wrote: OP was hardly the only one to ‘call this’. Lots of us have speculated that Endless Spells would manifest in 40K somehow. This seems to be that coming true, for sure.
GW IS adorably predictable in using 40k's fantasy mirror as a test-bed for 40k changes.
JohnnyHell wrote: OP was hardly the only one to ‘call this’. Lots of us have speculated that Endless Spells would manifest in 40K somehow. This seems to be that coming true, for sure.
GW IS adorably predictable in using 40k's fantasy mirror as a test-bed for 40k changes.
They're test beds for each other.
AoS didn't have command points originally, but now it does after 40k 8th is released
Dr. Mills wrote: I wonder if this does turn out to be "modelled Psychic powers" would the marine power fury of the ancients be a small squad of ghostly marines in Mk2-5 armour on a big base running about shooting, fighting etc.?
To me, that sounds pretty cool.
It all depends on how they implement it. I'd personally love a 'physical\ manifestation of a skittering horde of tyranids scratching at the minds of psykers, dealing mental damage and making it harder for them to cast/dispel.
I'd expect that Tyranids will get Familiars ala GSC(they're supposed to be a "manifestation" of some kind) and 'Hive Nodes' or something like that.
Dr. Mills wrote: I wonder if this does turn out to be "modelled Psychic powers" would the marine power fury of the ancients be a small squad of ghostly marines in Mk2-5 armour on a big base running about shooting, fighting etc.?
To me, that sounds pretty cool.
It all depends on how they implement it. I'd personally love a 'physical\ manifestation of a skittering horde of tyranids scratching at the minds of psykers, dealing mental damage and making it harder for them to cast/dispel.
I'd expect that Tyranids will get Familiars ala GSC(they're supposed to be a "manifestation" of some kind) and 'Hive Nodes' or something like that.
I could see that, but it'd also be nice to see manifestations of the Shadow in the Warp. As of right now, it doesn't affect the game a whole lot, while in the Lore its a huge advantage the Tyranids have.
Kanluwen wrote: I mean, the Aethersea is a huge deal for Idoneth but they won't ever represent it in the manner that it really is described.
I think SiTW is one of those things that will really only 'work' if you tweak scenarios for it.
Thats perfectly fair, though it'll always be something that could be looked at. As it stands though, I'm not eager to know more.
Speaking strictly for myself, I just think that limiting SiTW into one 'base' effectively? it diminishes the sheer terror that it should be bringing.
One of the things I miss most from the old, old books was the special scenario/mission in there. It feels perfect for something like that...although this discussion has made me think about how to tweak the previous iteration of how Canticles of the Omnissiah(three tiered, based upon number of units on the field) to make a scalable effect. More Nids, more Shade!
Back on topic: There's a lot of room for some interesting prospects on this.
Elbows wrote: Tau could get a hyper-tech version, a bunch of holograms, void shields, etc. Stuff like that could have some similar rules, abilities just to fit in.
They could. Especially if they do it in the translucent plastic like parts of their defense line.
The other option that would be cool for Tau is if they roll out a psychic race (either established or new) in the Tau alliance, which could let them do new models as well as psychic effects. I'm hoping for that, just because it might mean the 'Awakening' isn't just 40K Endless Spells. I'd love to get a plastic Ork Weirdboy with Possessed Snotling, or, dare I dream, Ol' Zogwort and some squigs.
Please for the love of god can endless spells stay in Aos. I am not buying models for my damn psychic powers. Next we'll have the fething terrain pieces that cost 40 quid a pop and are an auto include for every army. Anything to gouge us further.
CREEEEEEEEED wrote: Please for the love of god can endless spells stay in Aos. I am not buying models for my damn psychic powers. Next we'll have the fething terrain pieces that cost 40 quid a pop and are an auto include for every army. Anything to gouge us further.
So long as there's a trade off with points like in Sigmar it really shouldn't be a problem. It should be a valid choice to not use them, but they'd be there for people who like it.
I'm kind of neutral on them personally, but think it's very likely they will be added to 40k in some form.
CREEEEEEEEED wrote: Please for the love of god can endless spells stay in Aos. I am not buying models for my damn psychic powers. Next we'll have the fething terrain pieces that cost 40 quid a pop and are an auto include for every army. Anything to gouge us further.
Make your own. Buying terrain and tokens is bs, especially when in the past GW would encourage you to just make them.
So, if this event is about psykers awakening en masse and every faction gets something, does that mean Pariahs are going to return? Because that would be fething awesome.
I want my next-generation nightmare makers back.
Da-Rock wrote: In AOS there are Factions that don't have spells at all much like Tau, so I wouldn't count it automatic that the 40k Factions will all have them.
From the article
All we’ll say for now is that this is a new, galaxy-spanning event that’s going to have a significant impact on every Warhammer 40,000 faction
Da-Rock wrote: In AOS there are Factions that don't have spells at all much like Tau, so I wouldn't count it automatic that the 40k Factions will all have them.
From the article
All we’ll say for now is that this is a new, galaxy-spanning event that’s going to have a significant impact on every Warhammer 40,000 faction
To be fair, getting killed by something you've no access to yourself could have significant impact on your faction.
Da-Rock wrote: In AOS there are Factions that don't have spells at all much like Tau, so I wouldn't count it automatic that the 40k Factions will all have them.
I am not aware of anything like Blanks in AOS either?
Da-Rock wrote: In AOS there are Factions that don't have spells at all much like Tau, so I wouldn't count it automatic that the 40k Factions will all have them.
I am not aware of anything like Blanks in AOS either?
Dwarfs are the closest WHFB/AoS usually gets; they can dispel/deny like wizards but can't cast spells themselves.
Teaser for an Eldar Model Update
Teaser for a Returned Emperor with new models representing the gods of Chaos and the Emperor as new Lords of War (Apoc did say every faction would get a new lord of war, nothing more LoW than an actual model of Khorne)
A book full of dozens upon dozens of Psychic powers.
A redone Psychic System.
Does it have to be AoS endless spells? Nope. Let's wait and see.
Da-Rock wrote: In AOS there are Factions that don't have spells at all much like Tau, so I wouldn't count it automatic that the 40k Factions will all have them.
I am not aware of anything like Blanks in AOS either?
Beastclaw Raiders do not have anything. They have to ally in something that can cast/deny.
I see them doing the same for 40k only worse. I can still see Tau, Necrons, Admech etc not get an actual endless spell..................since when has GW ever nailed something like out of the gates in their history?
I'd rather get the non psychic factions get a different kind of mechanic than just porting it over and have it be "not" psychic powers. That said I'd be fine with Tau getting some kind of pysker auxiliary and I have never understood why necrons don't have a boat load of psychic defense, their whole thing is trying to cut the warp off permanently.
Teaser for an Eldar Model Update
Teaser for a Returned Emperor with new models representing the gods of Chaos and the Emperor as new Lords of War (Apoc did say every faction would get a new lord of war, nothing more LoW than an actual model of Khorne)]
A book full of dozens upon dozens of Psychic powers.
A redone Psychic System.
Does it have to be AoS endless spells? Nope. Let's wait and see.
"Please gods no" to the first, and a firm but polite 'no' to the second.
Bringing Emps back would be a shitfest. It was chaos when Guilliman was released! And the GODS of Chaos? I'm not even sure that would work.
Extremely unlikely to be anything but Endless Spells, or possible Astra Telepathica/SoS update considering the teaser we got. It might even include a redone psychic system.
(Apoc did say every faction would get a new lord of war..)
Did it ? Do you have a link for this ? I don't remember seeing this. I remember them saying everyone will get an apoc box/baneblade which amounted to some very hit and miss bundles..
How do you know that they are going to get endless psychic powers? All we know is that there is something involving psykers, which may also result in non-psychic armies finally getting to do something in the psychic phase, because if there are suddenly a bunch of psykers popping up everywhere, why wouldn't you develop proper counter measures?
That sounds hateful tbh. Like we need to add another 45 freakin minutes to every game just so the Thousands sons player can feel super 1337 haxorz about how much psychic stuff he can do compared to your handful of 'anti-psyker' things you brought just in case.
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Sim-Life wrote: I wonder if this is going to be about the T'au birthing the chaos god of communism that they've hinted at.
CREEEEEEEEED wrote: Please for the love of god can endless spells stay in Aos. I am not buying models for my damn psychic powers. Next we'll have the fething terrain pieces that cost 40 quid a pop and are an auto include for every army. Anything to gouge us further.
So long as there's a trade off with points like in Sigmar it really shouldn't be a problem. It should be a valid choice to not use them, but they'd be there for people who like it.
I'm kind of neutral on them personally, but think it's very likely they will be added to 40k in some form.
Terrain pieces, for the record, are free for their respective forces so they're almost always mandatory.
Sounds interesting. Hopefully we’ll get at least a plastic Weirdboy (maybe even a separate Warphead), and they bring Pariahs back (wielding Noctilith staves, perhaps).
Psychic Knights?
Should be a great opportunity to update the GK codex too to make them playable.
yeah if this is something involving psykers I would like to see them put out some plastic psykers for those whose psyker models are still finecast. A new Chaos Sorc (come to think of it wasn't there a chaos sorc backback that never materlized?) a new Ork Weirdboy. a space wolf Primaris runepreist etc
stonehorse wrote: Am I alone in hoping that this is a hint of the Enslavers returning, and an Inquisition force to battle it?
There is this rumor about the launch of a TV series on Netflix about Eisenhorn. Marketing wise would make some kind of sense to provide a playable faction for the Inquisition. or at least somehow the option to bring an Inquisitor in any imperium army without having to use another detachment.
stonehorse wrote: Am I alone in hoping that this is a hint of the Enslavers returning, and an Inquisition force to battle it?
There is this rumor about the launch of a TV series on Netflix about Eisenhorn. Marketing wise would make some kind of sense to provide a playable faction for the Inquisition. or at least somehow the option to bring an Inquisitor in any imperium army without having to use another detachment.
Mixed feelings on this.
I actually really liked the 2nd ed psychic phase with its templates and markers and stuff but would be worried this is that x100 with spells littered all over the board and the phase now taking an inordinate amount of time to complete.
In addition as I've said before, it may also push the HTH phase even further down the food chain =/
I don't suppose it could be something to do with ynarri? There's a lot of awakening type language around the eldar generally and ynnead in particular.
Endless spells seems a safer shout but maybe the eldar will finally get some love?
Teaser for an Eldar Model Update
Teaser for a Returned Emperor with new models representing the gods of Chaos and the Emperor as new Lords of War (Apoc did say every faction would get a new lord of war, nothing more LoW than an actual model of Khorne)]
A book full of dozens upon dozens of Psychic powers.
A redone Psychic System.
Does it have to be AoS endless spells? Nope. Let's wait and see.
"Please gods no" to the first, and a firm but polite 'no' to the second.
Bringing Emps back would be a shitfest. It was chaos when Guilliman was released! And the GODS of Chaos? I'm not even sure that would work.
Extremely unlikely to be anything but Endless Spells, or possible Astra Telepathica/SoS update considering the teaser we got. It might even include a redone psychic system.
I would not mind chaos god models and a BigE model. just so long as they are pointed so high that its literally apocolypse only and they represent like 10k or more on the tabletop.
kingheff wrote: I don't suppose it could be something to do with ynarri? There's a lot of awakening type language around the eldar generally and ynnead in particular.
Endless spells seems a safer shout but maybe the eldar will finally get some love?
If getting new models for cwe eldar means getting zombiefied i mean ynarrified i would rather wait another 15 years for new sculpts.
Eldar are already psychicly awake so.... lets hope not.
I'd guess ynarri will go into their own faction but can still ally in the other space elves.
Making more of a wraith and wraithbone, style faction would make sense and fit the fluff and capture the dying race theme of the aeldari as a whole.
Hopefully I'm wrong but I get the feeling cwe may join old marines on the scrapheap.
kingheff wrote: I don't suppose it could be something to do with ynarri? There's a lot of awakening type language around the eldar generally and ynnead in particular.
Endless spells seems a safer shout but maybe the eldar will finally get some love?
If getting new models for cwe eldar means getting zombiefied i mean ynarrified i would rather wait another 15 years for new sculpts.
Eldar are already psychicly awake so.... lets hope not.
'Primaris' Aspects with embiggened Aspect Warriors.
Da-Rock wrote: In AOS there are Factions that don't have spells at all much like Tau, so I wouldn't count it automatic that the 40k Factions will all have them.
I am not aware of anything like Blanks in AOS either?
T'au are not blanks.
The closest thing to a "Blanks" faction in 40k is Necrons. Everything else is warp-present, albeit to varying degrees. Even T'au - although they are hinted at being the "Incorruptable Swarm".
kingheff wrote: I don't suppose it could be something to do with ynarri? There's a lot of awakening type language around the eldar generally and ynnead in particular.
Endless spells seems a safer shout but maybe the eldar will finally get some love?
If getting new models for cwe eldar means getting zombiefied i mean ynarrified i would rather wait another 15 years for new sculpts.
Eldar are already psychicly awake so.... lets hope not.
'Primaris' Aspects with embiggened Aspect Warriors.
Faith Tested = Sisters
Beast Roars = ??? nids?/chaos?
Ancient Darkness Rises = Old Ones?
Emperor farts = lots of psychic backlash.
Emperor = Gets up of the throne and his knees cracking flips the entire universe upside down?
Grey Knights = Push the button in the hidden box that is not supposed to be pushed....unless it humanities darkest hour...
Every Chapter = gets a unique psyker lieutenant.
Abaddon spams the entire imperium with "this is just a game where nerds play with plastic models."
LMAO PSYCHIC AWAKENING
"Before the Psychic Awakening hits, Space Marines still have a few reinforcements inbound…"
Literally zog off Games Workshop
"Meanwhile, each book will have powerful and thematic rules updates for at least two Factions, giving you more flexibility than before. " aka some of you gaks play a codex we have no inspiration for, and will get less content than everyone else
LMAO PSYCHIC AWAKENING
"Before the Psychic Awakening hits, Space Marines still have a few reinforcements inbound…"
Literally zog off Games Workshop
no it means "The new units for space marines that we teased at the start of the month have yet to come out. those will come out and then the psykic awakening will start" in other words GW just gave us a rough schedule. once all the Space Marine supplements come oput the next stuff will be psykic awkening campaigns. maybe if you didn't let your bitterness consume you (go play iron warriors, you seem to understand their mind set) you'd reckongize we're only halfway through a space marine release because GW for some odd reason decided to stretch it out
Teaser for an Eldar Model Update
Teaser for a Returned Emperor with new models representing the gods of Chaos and the Emperor as new Lords of War (Apoc did say every faction would get a new lord of war, nothing more LoW than an actual model of Khorne)]
A book full of dozens upon dozens of Psychic powers.
A redone Psychic System.
Does it have to be AoS endless spells? Nope. Let's wait and see.
"Please gods no" to the first, and a firm but polite 'no' to the second.
Bringing Emps back would be a shitfest. It was chaos when Guilliman was released! And the GODS of Chaos? I'm not even sure that would work.
Extremely unlikely to be anything but Endless Spells, or possible Astra Telepathica/SoS update considering the teaser we got. It might even include a redone psychic system.
I actually think this has some potential with the news of plastic banshees we're in for a craftworlds revamp. Psychic awakening to me feels like we'll see Ynnead and the Ynarri waking to their full power and the emperor returning to some form of life psychically empowering imperium races while other xenos get minor buffs rolled in. I honestly expect Ynnari to get a codex at some point or be rolled into craftworlds 8.5
I'm thinking this might be the beginning of The Emperor manifesting properly in The Warp.
Arguably, the Astronomicon is his presence in The Warp. And the teaser goes on about 'the sacrifice of Billions' - and all in the name of Him on Earth.
Maybe that's what He spoke with Guilliman about. That the time of Apotheosis was nigh, and he just needed some time.
LMAO PSYCHIC AWAKENING
"Before the Psychic Awakening hits, Space Marines still have a few reinforcements inbound…"
Literally zog off Games Workshop
no it means "The new units for space marines that we teased at the start of the month have yet to come out. those will come out and then the psykic awakening will start" in other words GW just gave us a rough schedule. once all the Space Marine supplements come oput the next stuff will be psykic awkening campaigns. maybe if you didn't let your bitterness consume you (go play iron warriors, you seem to understand their mind set) you'd reckongize we're only halfway through a space marine release because GW for some odd reason decided to stretch it out
To be fair - we are ALWAYS half way through a Space Marine - I would be surprised if a month (perhaps even a week) went by without something fro Marines from GW, specialist, Forgeworld etc.
I imagine this will be like Malign Portents. So some good stories, maybe a mini for each faction - Imperium being one and likely....a Marine and psychic endless spells / manifestations of Faith/ Hive Mind imperatives etc etc.
