What do people think about the new faction from GW?

I quite like it a lot. Build soildiers from bone, stuff several souls in there to make it a better combatant. They are like the afia. Claim some bones or feth you up.

Visually they also look cool.

However, I feel like this makes the chances Tomb Kings coming back a bit smaller. It is what they sued to do with their War Constructs.

To me, it’s right in line with GW’s policy of moving away from “generic” fantasy models. Tomb Kings were generic skellies with bows, or spear and shield. This gives them a stylized Skeleton army made from trademarkium materials.

 greatbigtree wrote:
To me, it’s right in line with GW’s policy of moving away from “generic” fantasy models. Tomb Kings were generic skellies with bows, or spear and shield. This gives them a stylized Skeleton army made from trademarkium materials.

If by trademark you mean terracotta in bone instead of clay

I think those looking at GW and thinking they are moving away from "generic" fantasy are looking at it all wrong. Heck stormcast are visually just big humans in heavy plate armour whilst they've also got a huge stardragon which is far more generic western dragon than the serpentine dragons of old GW fantasy.

I think its less GW is "moving away from" and more that they are moving toward an epic high fantasy setting and bringing the rest along for a ride. They've still got orks and elves and humans; they've still got all those generic dwarves running around in mines with cannon and such. Heck the Kurnothi (elfish warband for underworlds) are just tree elves with centaurs and fauns whilst you've got Warcry which is basically extreme human worshippers of chaos - you've got conan style barbarians all over the place along with Set....er snake priests and such.

I think we’re saying the same thing. Bretonian *models* for example, are generic looking peasants and Knights that you could easily swap *any* generic medieval peasant / Knight model on the tabletop and have a proper looking army. Same deal with old Tomb Kings units. You could put anyone’s skeletons with handweapon and shield down and boom. Tomb king army. High Elves were in a similar boat. “Normal” dwarves. Standard humans.

Nobody’s making Skellies that could be counts-as Necrons with a metallic paint job. Nobody’s making Underwater Elves, or flying Dwarves. Generic Goblins? Yes. But Goblins wearing the garb of a racist group from the southern States? (Once you see it, you can’t unsee it. )

I agree they’re moving away from low fantasy towards high fantasy, and along the way they’re dropping support for model lines that *look* generic. It absolutely makes marketing sense to do that. It doesn’t bother me, per se.

WHFB when I was young had my first love in Orcs and Goblins. I loved the wild variety of units that could all be mashed together into one force. Orc boyz fighting with Black Orcs and spider riding goblins with Night Goblins and their fanatics interspersed, while rock lobbas and Doom Divers hammered away and squigs hopped all over the place. To be fair to GW, I could have bought *any* catapult model and put a couple of Orcs around it. I could have bought any * generic* Orcs or Gobbos for my line infantry.

So I understand the push towards the Looncurse (?) style Goblins with a heavy focus on Squigs. Nobody is making models that look like that. So they’re “monopolizing” the look of their models and selling rules that support that. It makes good sense to do that.

 greatbigtree wrote:
To me, it’s right in line with GW’s policy of moving away from “generic” fantasy models. Tomb Kings were generic skellies with bows, or spear and shield. This gives them a stylized Skeleton army made from trademarkium materials.

These things are bog standard generic. They're just skeletons, but bigger, or with more arms. Tomb Kings had style. They rode into battle on giant snake skeletons, or stone sphynx's, or with an ark of the covenant.

Also, I am bitter. /snarl

These guys aren’t generic. They have some nice elements of old school but in a very interesting style. They’re not just skellies, they’re constructs of bone plating with souls put into them, and the oriental vibe hasn’t often been explored in undead as much as your typical medieval skellies. Also the Prometheus/Aliens/Gigar inspiration here is far from typical skellies fantasy.

But I also agree that Tomb Kings weren’t super generic either. While they were typical skellies, their sphinxes and snakes and stuff were quite unique and awesome.

 greatbigtree wrote:
I think we’re saying the same thing. Bretonian *models* for example, are generic looking peasants and Knights that you could easily swap *any* generic medieval peasant / Knight model on the tabletop and have a proper looking army. Same deal with old Tomb Kings units. You could put anyone’s skeletons with handweapon and shield down and boom. Tomb king army. High Elves were in a similar boat. “Normal” dwarves. Standard humans.

Nobody’s making Skellies that could be counts-as Necrons with a metallic paint job. Nobody’s making Underwater Elves, or flying Dwarves. Generic Goblins? Yes. But Goblins wearing the garb of a racist group from the southern States? (Once you see it, you can’t unsee it. )

I agree they’re moving away from low fantasy towards high fantasy, and along the way they’re dropping support for model lines that *look* generic. It absolutely makes marketing sense to do that. It doesn’t bother me, per se.

Thing is GW can make whatever they want because they are big enoguh that multiple 3rd parties will make look-a-likes. Doesn't matter if they are men on horses or godbeasts riding stone constructs. GW sets a trend and others will follow and in the end those who want to buy 3rd party will; whilst the majority will stick with GW own brand.


I just don't see the distinction, outside of the naming convention, that is all this IP protection and "avoiding the generic". Especially when GW releases things like furies, melusai, morathi, etc... models that are completely ripped from traditional themes. Heck Morathi is a very accurate gorgon of medusa - snake hair; snake body; wings - she's got it all! Melusai are just the same and they even have one variation with a bow and arrow straight out of the films and lore.



Any way whatever their choices I really like this bone army. One thing I really hope GW goes for is more constructs. I would love to see the Reapers take on dragons, lions, giant bulls - whatever. Just giant beastial and mechanical beast machines! We already have a taste with the catapult and I'm hungry to see more like that!

This rumour engine has me pumped for what other big things the Ossiarchs will be bringing to the table. It may not be related but sure as hell looks like it is.

Honestly, I think they are rather bland. The guards on the big one seem to look cool. But the massive statue is not something I am really that interested in.

Also the big one reminds me of those posing dolls you can buy for drawing and animation. Katakros is his name I think.

The *models* are far from generic, regardless of the inspiration. Nobody is making models that look like Daughters of Khaine. NOBODY sells a giant she-serpent with wings that looks anything like Morathi.

Yes, people may make recasts, or knock offs. But nobody is selling an army’s worth of steampunk Dwarves in Power Armour, are they?

Fluff and inspiration be damned. The *models* being released don’t exist en masses in any other range. Who else is selling an elf riding a turtle on a flying base? I can’t understand what is not obvious about this in terms of developing the brand and “enforcing” customer loyalty.

Again, I don’t say this in an angry way towards GW. They have a business model and I like the developing models. I can’t knock the new developments. I just feel like the developments are part on an overarching pattern of letting the old fade away (naturally) and being replaced with models that are uniquely GW. For example, I’m looking forward to seeing if a Human faction will be released that isn’t Stormcast. (Realizing they’re spirit warriors, or whatever. They still look heroic human to me.) What will the models be inspired by? It won’t be medieval Europe, that’s for certain.

I'm waiting for the rules. I have a deep tomb kings collection. If the rules are neat and let me play games without getting throttled by my opponents who are min/maxing, then I'll mostly use my tomb king models.

The new model range revealed, other than the mortarch and the catapult, leave nothing to me to want to collect. I don't like that cartoon aesthetic.

looks like an AoS take on tomb kings.
atleast that was my immediate toughts after seeing the first pics.

Wasn't blown away by the range but would be glad to add some of them to my collection of undead.

The big stalker chaps are definitely getting bought. Will NOT have a bad word said against them!

Honestly it really highlights a big issue of AoS for me. If some other company had released them I'd probably think 'nice' but now it's just eh. They're Tomb Kings but less interesting and shallower. They have a big interesting mortarch who supposedly leads them but it doesn't mean anything, it's someone saying their guy is super awesome and badass but everything I read about them made me think discount Settra.

To be fair so far we've not really had any lore on them. This is an army quite out of the blue from GW really - some subtle hints here and there but its really quite a sudden appearance. We've heard more of the dark and light aelves and of them we've hardly anything at all.

I'm sure once they are out and witha battletome we'll get more lore on them and see them flesh out into a more diverse army.

 Overread wrote:
To be fair so far we've not really had any lore on them. This is an army quite out of the blue from GW really - some subtle hints here and there but its really quite a sudden appearance. We've heard more of the dark and light aelves and of them we've hardly anything at all.

I'm sure once they are out and witha battletome we'll get more lore on them and see them flesh out into a more diverse army.

Probably and that's genuinely good for people who like AoS but they're playing catch up with Tomb Kings and they always will be. GW tried to have their cake and eat it with AoS because they want to make a new thing but it's a sequel to Fantasy in a lot of ways and it's a bad one but GW didn't cut the cord.

The concept sounds like good be fun to me,
(sure, needs growth and development)
but the figures don't inspire me...

To me they look like a blend of skelleton, tyranids, and necrons.
I'm not sure which model design aspects hits me like that,
it's just how they hit me.

I like them, myself. The four-arms not so much because I can't unsee tyranid warrior, but other than that thumbs up for me.

I think for some they might be a bit like genestealer cults were to me. When I first saw them I didn't like them all that much. Oh the sculpts were good but they didn't "grab" me. It didn't help that at that time they were mostly a few units, a random rock truck and then imperial forces with the odd stealer emblem on them. Basically they were Imperial Guard with a few oddball additions.

Then the second wave hit and they got fast attack bikes and buggies; a new vehicle; several new leaders and units and suddenly they moved from a bolt-on to an actual army. With a unified design asthetic and style that played to their origins as workers on Imperial worlds gone mad with infestation.



I figure this new army is the same; that they don't likely appear all that good to some because there's so little of them. That plus we know very little about their general identity save that they harvest bones as a Tithe. I think once the lore is out; once there's a BL book or two; a battletome and at least more models if not a full second wave then they will establish themselves more so.

I feel like I’m in the minority, but I like them. I do want to see what they look like in the flesh, no pun intended. In one thread someone said they looked like they are from a Wayne Barlowe painting, had no idea who he was but after a quick google search I understand why it was said and after looking through his art I’m far more sold on these guys. I do like how with each release GW are branching out and doing things differently.

 auticus wrote:
I'm waiting for the rules. I have a deep tomb kings collection. If the rules are neat and let me play games without getting throttled by my opponents who are min/maxing, then I'll mostly use my tomb king models.

The new model range revealed, other than the mortarch and the catapult, leave nothing to me to want to collect. I don't like that cartoon aesthetic.

This.

I do like them. I'm also baffled by how people can claim models that have no egyptian theme, no connection in lore to TK, and look completely different save for being, you know, skeletons, are "discount Tomb Kings". I suppose fifty years from now GW will release lazer skeletons riding pink unicorns, and some octogenarian will stammer "discount tomb kings, settra does not...what was I saying?"

Eh, they are less Egyptian and more Roman. Those foot soldiers have a certain centurion look about them, and the big general guy looks like some sort of Greco-Roman Statue. He's also probably the best miniature of the lot and doesn't look too terrible goofy.
Same classical period, different culture...well, ok, not really. The Romans did conquer Egypt and the Ptolemies were Greeks.

I can see why people call them bonecrons though. Some of the models do look a little similar to lychguard.

Cronch wrote:
I do like them. I'm also baffled by how people can claim models that have no egyptian theme, no connection in lore to TK, and look completely different save for being, you know, skeletons, are "discount Tomb Kings". I suppose fifty years from now GW will release lazer skeletons riding pink unicorns, and some octogenarian will stammer "discount tomb kings, settra does not...what was I saying?"

becouse it is the core idea.
they removed a pure skeletal army for no reason other then moust likely cash, and then behold, the same army reappears just with a different wrapper and background.

there will ever only be one mono skeleton army in fantasy/aos, and that is tomb kings. there is no reasons to try to reinvent the wheel....

But Tomb Kings were just cheap rip-off of Undead army, there was no reason to reinvent the wheel.
Anyway, I guess TK fans just want to stay mad forever.

Except that there's already two skeleton armies in AoS now. There are several skelton warriors as skeletons in the Legions of Nagash as it is. Bonereapers are simply another take on the concept but are very different in visual design and lore.

The only difference is that the skeletons in the Legion are somewhat just "there" and the legion is a sort of catch all for bits of armies that got shattered up or are just old and awaiting updates. I can well see GW fleshing those out when they perhaps update Vampires in a big way or even split them off into their own full skeleton army.

What do you mean by Undead Army? Did you mean Vampire Counts? You do realize that Vampire counts, unlike tomb kings, did not consist of solely skeletons and stone constructs (which were a much later addition), but also zombies, ghosts, and Vampires? Not to mention the lack of ranged attacks in a Vampire Counts, of which there are plenty in a Tomb Kings army? As well as the different magic mechanics? How are Tomb Kings a cheap rip off?

They're weird. Don't like them. If I was going to play undead (and I did start buying models to do so around End Times) I'd just use the regular undead, much prefer them.

Not sure I could ever bring myself to say Ossiarch Bonereapers out loud either. It's ridiculous, just too "Fantasybollox NounVerbers"...

Crispy78 wrote:
They're weird. Don't like them. If I was going to play undead (and I did start buying models to do so around End Times) I'd just use the regular undead, much prefer them.

Not sure I could ever bring myself to say Ossiarch Bonereapers out loud either. It's ridiculous, just too "Fantasybollox NounVerbers"...

I think Ossiarch sounds fine, oddly enough.
Its bonereaper I have an issue with. It sounds like they are trying really hard to sound badass, and failing. It also doesn't make sense; how does one reap bone? Are there bone fields that need harvesting? Do the bonereapers use bonescythes, or bonethreshers? Or perhaps bonecombineharverters? Is there a bonehopper involved?

Now, I get soulreaper, because of the hole grim reaper harvesting souls thing. But bonereaper? I don't get it.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
They're weird. Don't like them. If I was going to play undead (and I did start buying models to do so around End Times) I'd just use the regular undead, much prefer them.

Not sure I could ever bring myself to say Ossiarch Bonereapers out loud either. It's ridiculous, just too "Fantasybollox NounVerbers"...

I think Ossiarch sounds fine, oddly enough.
Its bonereaper I have an issue with. It sounds like they are trying really hard to sound badass, and failing. It also doesn't make sense; how does one reap bone? Are there bone fields that need harvesting? Do the bonereapers use bonescythes, or bonethreshers? Or perhaps bonecombineharverters? Is there a bonehopper involved?

Now, I get soulreaper, because of the hole grim reaper harvesting souls thing. But bonereaper? I don't get it.

They clearly also soul reap - one of the hero models shown is clearly using an etherial scythe to slice through the enemy and tear their souls from their bodies before using a magical bottle to suck the caught soul off the blade and into storage. Likely to be later worn down to its core soul and re-used to forge new warriors

And yes they do reap bones. They travel to city after city demanding a tithe be paid to Nagash in dead bodies and bones. If a city refuses to or is unable to pay their tithe then they are harvested. To the Ossiarch the living are the crop that grows new bones for them to harvest and souls to steal; and as Nagash already has legions of souls, all the Ossiarch really have to harvest are the bones of the dead. To grind them down to make into newly forged warriors for their armies and constructs for their war machine.


Right now the only weakness to the force that I can see, lore wise, is that they've no "downtime" concept established. That is when they aren't reaping and killing and forging what are they up too. The warriors sound like they have individuality yet some have multiple personalities and with no (currently that we are aware of) need for food or water do they have to have downtime? Does the legion pause for a break every so often. Are there undead construct "camp followers" following after the legion on their march over the realms. Would they ever pause and instead of reaping pop-into the pub for a, if not drink, then to soak up the atmosphere and trade stories warrior to warrior.

Cronch wrote:
But Tomb Kings were just cheap rip-off of Undead army, there was no reason to reinvent the wheel.
Anyway, I guess TK fans just want to stay mad forever.

How were Tomb Kings a cheap rip off?

Huh, well good to know they are being literal I guess. Still sounds odd though.
I think Ossiarch by itself is perfectly fine, and its derived from latin which goes well with that greco-roman thing they have going on.

I like them less and less as the days go by. They're not even skeletons, apart from skulls there are really no bone shapes on them. They just have armour that is painted off-white with the occasional fissure being really the only physical clue that it's supposed to be bone. You could paint them like porcelian or terracotta and nobody would be able to tell they were supposed to be bone.

The "bone" is also on the outside, making them, at best, crabs.

Bonecrab Eternals.

Ok, so they look like crabs, but do they talk like people? Do they have weakpoints that may be struck for massive damage?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I like them less and less as the days go by. They're not even skeletons, apart from skulls there are really no bone shapes on them. They just have armour that is painted off-white with the occasional fissure being really the only physical clue that it's supposed to be bone. You could paint them like porcelian or terracotta and nobody would be able to tell they were supposed to be bone.

The "bone" is also on the outside, making them, at best, crabs.

Bonecrab Eternals.

Yeah, I think that might be my problem with both the models and the concept generally. They're undead but not really undead. More like golems / avatars.

I mean...their whole thing is reaping bones to make super skeleton constructs. So the name is not that silly.

Frankly i'm cool with GW doing whatever they want. And if you Tomb King players are miffed they didn't get an updated option..well..

I really like the idea of Nagash constructing an army and infusing them with the souls, bit like the Deadly Alliance!

The models look really busy and over-adorned to me though, I just don't like the look they went for. We'll see what the pro-painters can do with them though, Death Guard looked rubbish until I saw them in better colour schemes.

After that picture I want more tomb kings now

I just want the giant walking anubian warriors

In the old world all the constructs that the Tomb Kings used where material constructs with a soul inserted. In some the sould of great warrior, or warriors. In some it was an angry spirit from the underworld. It was never quite clear weather the Khemri Gods phanteon actually existed as described, partially or if the Khemri just did not have a clue what was going on.

What is clear is that the Necrosphinx has some very angry spirit inside it, possibly a demon.

I have not read the backround story of this new army.
I would like to think that Nagash has picked up this insert soul trick from the tomb kings.

While the tomb things were inique because of their egytian theme, their magic rules (particularly in the earlier editions) and their constructs they are less unique now if they where to be re-introduced again. Stil I would welcome them as a rogue undead faction.

pm713 wrote:

How were Tomb Kings a cheap rip off?

They literally took a handful of units from the original Undead army book, and just slapped The Mummy aesthetic on them cause it was popular at the time. Doesn't get cheaper than that.

As an “original” Tomb Kings player in 5th ed WHFB, I went with them because they were super easy to paint. I’ve long since left Fantasy and sold them off, but I can agree that the fundamental split between “fleshy” undead into Vampire Counts and “boney” undead into Tomb Kings from the actual original “Undead” army was not terribly original idea. There were enough models, after adding chariots, Egyptian heroes, Ushabti (loved those models) and other bone constructs... but it probably still could have flown under the single “Undead” codex.

That said, the models were still quite “generic” skeletal models that you could have made “inspired” by many other culture with minor changes to banners, or filing down a couple of trinkets and giving them a different paint scheme. I’m pretty sure the first boxes even came with “normal” shields and an upgrade sprue with the Egyptian themed shields.

I personally see a heavy Necron influence in the new models, and wouldn’t be surprised to see Necron conversions based on some of these with a metallic paint job. I like the new models, see some character in them that I wouldn’t find in “someone else’s” model lines. They don’t look like a Dungeons and Dragons model skeleton with hand weapon and shield, for example.

 Overread wrote:
And yes they do reap bones. They travel to city after city demanding a tithe be paid to Nagash in dead bodies and bones. If a city refuses to or is unable to pay their tithe then they are harvested. To the Ossiarch the living are the crop that grows new bones for them to harvest and souls to steal; and as Nagash already has legions of souls, all the Ossiarch really have to harvest are the bones of the dead. To grind them down to make into newly forged warriors for their armies and constructs for their war machine.

Which means eventually Games Workshop is going to release a model on the largest base they have - a model that is just a giant pile of skulls.

This is what they have been building towards for decades.

It is also an opportunity to bring back some of the old constructs with a new style. We see that we the Screaming Skull Catapult there right now. It would be nice to see something sphinxian or anguine (word of the day: of or pertaining to snakes) as an old harbinger of it, but not quite as Egyptian as before.

As it is, those larger ones remind me of Koloktos from Zelda: Skyward Sword. I think he was a Indian/Hindu reference, though I could be mistaken. The multiple faces around the head along with the multiple arms ties that in. However, the body builds definitely have a western feel to them reminiscent of the other constructs and Morghai.

Over all. I like it so far, and if I get in to AoS any time soon, they might be the focus of my army, if i don't decide to do Beasts or Trees instead.

 Ouze wrote:
Which means eventually Games Workshop is going to release a model on the largest base they have - a model that is just a giant pile of skulls.

This is what they have been building towards for decades.

How to make a Skulltaker freeze in a Slaaneshian pause...

The more I see people dislike them the more I want to play them. I'm such an anti-bandwagoner.

Feels like AoS necrons but less Egyptian and more vaguely Asian. Especially with the helmets. Not crazy about some of the cartoon-y grinning skull faces but in general the sculpts are pretty cool.

I love the Asian influence depicted on the models, but I'm not sure how I feel about the grinning skull faces. I think I can get over it. It is a fantasy game, after all.

One of my absolute favorite things about AoS are the cool centerpiece models different armies have, and the centerpiece for this army is fantastic. I don't even care what he does; I want one.

It seems to me like these guys will be a more elite death army than usual, which is neat. Not every death army should be a horde army.

I get that this army isn't for everyone, which is fine. All in all, I can't wait for these guys to come out.

Honestly I see them and immediately think "that is Nagash's motif" which I love. I don't see "skeletons with [culture] influences" I see the Nagash style. It has it's own look.

But that's just me.

When I read some constructs had multiple souls, I thought of Nagash giving the finger to Sigmar.

Now I may be in the minority here, but I personally hope this new army can't run Nagash (but I'm ok with Legions of Nagash running these models). Fluff wise, I like the idea of armies fighting for their deity rather than with their deity.

 Overread wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
They're weird. Don't like them. If I was going to play undead (and I did start buying models to do so around End Times) I'd just use the regular undead, much prefer them.

Not sure I could ever bring myself to say Ossiarch Bonereapers out loud either. It's ridiculous, just too "Fantasybollox NounVerbers"...

I think Ossiarch sounds fine, oddly enough.
Its bonereaper I have an issue with. It sounds like they are trying really hard to sound badass, and failing. It also doesn't make sense; how does one reap bone? Are there bone fields that need harvesting? Do the bonereapers use bonescythes, or bonethreshers? Or perhaps bonecombineharverters? Is there a bonehopper involved?

Now, I get soulreaper, because of the hole grim reaper harvesting souls thing. But bonereaper? I don't get it.

They clearly also soul reap - one of the hero models shown is clearly using an etherial scythe to slice through the enemy and tear their souls from their bodies before using a magical bottle to suck the caught soul off the blade and into storage. Likely to be later worn down to its core soul and re-used to forge new warriors

And yes they do reap bones. They travel to city after city demanding a tithe be paid to Nagash in dead bodies and bones. If a city refuses to or is unable to pay their tithe then they are harvested. To the Ossiarch the living are the crop that grows new bones for them to harvest and souls to steal; and as Nagash already has legions of souls, all the Ossiarch really have to harvest are the bones of the dead. To grind them down to make into newly forged warriors for their armies and constructs for their war machine.


Right now the only weakness to the force that I can see, lore wise, is that they've no "downtime" concept established. That is when they aren't reaping and killing and forging what are they up too. The warriors sound like they have individuality yet some have multiple personalities and with no (currently that we are aware of) need for food or water do they have to have downtime? Does the legion pause for a break every so often. Are there undead construct "camp followers" following after the legion on their march over the realms. Would they ever pause and instead of reaping pop-into the pub for a, if not drink, then to soak up the atmosphere and trade stories warrior to warrior.

The lore could be really interesting or.........not....

Looking forward to seeing what Josh Reynolds and the others do with them

Uhg these models are getting goofier and goofier. Sure hope they don't waste a Season 3 Underworlds release on this garbage.

@MegaDombro, I wholeheartedly disagree. These models look really cool and fun, and nice and easy to paint. It’s 100% subjective, but I’m very much gunna get these skelington bros.

The big construct reminds me of Rat Ogres which consequently makes me sad from thinking about Thanquol.

Niiai wrote:However, I feel like this makes the chances Tomb Kings coming back a bit smaller. It is what they sued to do with their War Constructs.

Tomb Kings are not coming back, there is no chance. Same goes for Brettonians and anything else that gets discontinued.

Overread wrote:

 greatbigtree wrote:
To me, it’s right in line with GW’s policy of moving away from “generic” fantasy models. Tomb Kings were generic skellies with bows, or spear and shield. This gives them a stylized Skeleton army made from trademarkium materials.

If by trademark you mean terracotta in bone instead of clay

I think those looking at GW and thinking they are moving away from "generic" fantasy are looking at it all wrong. Heck stormcast are visually just big humans in heavy plate armour whilst they've also got a huge stardragon which is far more generic western dragon than the serpentine dragons of old GW fantasy.

I think its less GW is "moving away from" and more that they are moving toward an epic high fantasy setting and bringing the rest along for a ride. They've still got orks and elves and humans; they've still got all those generic dwarves running around in mines with cannon and such. Heck the Kurnothi (elfish warband for underworlds) are just tree elves with centaurs and fauns whilst you've got Warcry which is basically extreme human worshippers of chaos - you've got conan style barbarians all over the place along with Set....er snake priests and such.

They are still around, sure. Not exactly part of the setting though. How is the new battletome? Does it stack up? I would be surprised, but I was also surprised they even bothered.

My point is basically this:

greatbigtree wrote:Again, I don’t say this in an angry way towards GW. They have a business model and I like the developing models. I can’t knock the new developments. I just feel like the developments are part on an overarching pattern of letting the old fade away (naturally) and being replaced with models that are uniquely GW. For example, I’m looking forward to seeing if a Human faction will be released that isn’t Stormcast. (Realizing they’re spirit warriors, or whatever. They still look heroic human to me.) What will the models be inspired by? It won’t be medieval Europe, that’s for certain.

Crispy78 wrote:They're weird. Don't like them. If I was going to play undead (and I did start buying models to do so around End Times) I'd just use the regular undead, much prefer them.

Not sure I could ever bring myself to say Ossiarch Bonereapers out loud either. It's ridiculous, just too "Fantasybollox NounVerbers"...

If you want generic or old school fantasy come play Kings of War. GW are making their own thing, which I think is a good idea. They've decided on their thing and they're doing it.
I'm not a huge fan, but I don't have to like it for it to be good; there are other games that suit my tastes.

lord_blackfang wrote:Bonecrab Eternals.

Better than what I came up with. Well done.

 DarkBlack wrote:
Tomb Kings are not coming back, there is no chance. Same goes for Brettonians and anything else that gets discontinued.

They said the same thing about Genestealer Cults. And Necromunda. And plastic Sisters. If GW believes there's money to be made in Tomb Kings, we'll get Tomb Kings.

 EnTyme wrote:

 DarkBlack wrote:
Tomb Kings are not coming back, there is no chance. Same goes for Brettonians and anything else that gets discontinued.

They said the same thing about Genestealer Cults. And Necromunda. And plastic Sisters. If GW believes there's money to be made in Tomb Kings, we'll get Tomb Kings.

And the arbiters became a team in necromunda. If they have not scrapped the old new molds molds they could rewamp tomb king into tomb guards and stone constructs.

 EnTyme wrote:
They said the same thing about Genestealer Cults. And Necromunda. And plastic Sisters. If GW believes there's money to be made in Tomb Kings, we'll get Tomb Kings.

What was the time frame on those things returning? Was it measured in years, or decades?

 Niiai wrote:
And the arbiters became a team in necromunda.

Necromunda has Palanite Enforcers, which are the equivalent of your local police, whereas the Adeptus Arbites would be the equivalent of the FBI or the U.S. Marshalls (i.e., a national police organization). The two are only comparable in the broadest sense and are not really interchangeable.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Honestly I see them and immediately think "that is Nagash's motif" which I love. I don't see "skeletons with [culture] influences" I see the Nagash style. It has it's own look.

But that's just me.

Agreed.

This army looks weird, but I love it... It's got those super cool death artwork elements from the rulebook in it.

I can totally get why people don't like it. GW has always done "traditional, Victorian horror style undead". This is something quite new and twisted and in some cases: actually ugly... and I kind of like it for that reason. Some people out there seemed to just want new skeletons, but with the TK-ish twist, but tbh, the current skeleton kit really still holds out just fine.

Frankly, even as a Sister player from the original release....Tomb Kings players = Sisters Players, only altered by the recent Sisters re-release.

 Elmir wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Honestly I see them and immediately think "that is Nagash's motif" which I love. I don't see "skeletons with [culture] influences" I see the Nagash style. It has it's own look.

But that's just me.

Agreed.

This army looks weird, but I love it... It's got those super cool death artwork elements from the rulebook in it.

This is an army expanded from the Morghast mini, which in itself was a mismash of TK and VC (the construct/golem look with the soul-y skulls and stuff).

Add a dash of necron for the whole thing (which is very intentional since necrons started as Tomb kings in space) and it's done.

Pretty low-effort release. At least the elf shark riders and steampunk dwarves were silly-cool. This is just meh.

jouso wrote:

 Elmir wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Honestly I see them and immediately think "that is Nagash's motif" which I love. I don't see "skeletons with [culture] influences" I see the Nagash style. It has it's own look.

But that's just me.

Agreed.

This army looks weird, but I love it... It's got those super cool death artwork elements from the rulebook in it.

This is an army expanded from the Morghast mini, which in itself was a mismash of TK and VC (the construct/golem look with the soul-y skulls and stuff).

Add a dash of necron for the whole thing (which is very intentional since necrons started as Tomb kings in space) and it's done.

Pretty low-effort release. At least the elf shark riders and steampunk dwarves were silly-cool. This is just meh.

While I can understand that not everyone may like the aesthetic, to say that this is a low effort release is just being disingenuous. There was clearly a lot of work put into it, and it is looking like one of the largest army releases in quite a while.

Yeah, low-effort isn't really what I would use to describe this army release. Just alone what they've shown gives us...

2 mystery heroes
1 Necromancer-type character
1 Cavalry/mounted Hero
1 New Mortarch
New Cavalry skeletons
New Sword/Spear n' Board battle line
The four armed dudes with swords, which may be a dual-kit with the four-armed skeletons with spears and shields
Bone Monster grabbing bodies for nefarious deeds
Catapult with many legs.

My wonder is if they'll get their own Endless Spells and Terrain Features, as seems to be the norm for most army releases/updates now.

There is a terrain feature we saw in the potato leaks. Don't recall endless spells but I'd be surprised if they didn't have any.

 Thadin wrote:
Yeah, low-effort isn't really what I would use to describe this army release. Just alone what they've shown gives us...

2 mystery heroes
1 Necromancer-type character
1 Cavalry/mounted Hero
1 New Mortarch
New Cavalry skeletons
New Sword/Spear n' Board battle line
The four armed dudes with swords, which may be a dual-kit with the four-armed skeletons with spears and shields
Bone Monster grabbing bodies for nefarious deeds
Catapult with many legs.

My wonder is if they'll get their own Endless Spells and Terrain Features, as seems to be the norm for most army releases/updates now.

Their terrain feature was revealed in the leaks, it's called a "Bone-Tithe Nexus"

Even Space Marines are not universally liked - its near impossible for GW to produce an army everyone likes in all ways. Some will like it some will loathe it - that's why we have variety and not just endless ranks and files of marines.


And yeah the terrain feature is a large pillar festooned at the base with offerings of skulls and bones it seems. So a bit like the Fane of Slaanesh in that its an offering spot. Of course for the Reapers its clearly that the opponent made an offering, was found wanting, and thus the Reapers have come for the rest!

Saw some pics over on the tga forum, and also a rough translation of some fluff from the leaked pics. Dunno if you guys have seen it all, but I thought I’d post it over here, because why not?

“The Ossiarch Bone reapers surge forth in all their...splendor, now that they are the manifested will(literal translation is "living will")...Everything they touch is turned into..., such as the corpse as is the soul.

...method of maintaining distant of the...unliving horrors(?), to avoid(something happening)...drown in the flesh...an option the Ossiarch leaders... to explain the dry, sepulchral tone...with their future victims in a joke(prank?)...of a parliament. Their heart is frozen when the real horror of their proposal is made evident(artistic liberty): giving a tithe of bones...the Ossiarch Empire can maintain itself...at least for a time.

...a military force unlike any other...with supernatural organization and efficiency...led by generals created by...Nagash, that have received a portion...of necromantic power. During times...immemorial, the legions of Bonereapers...inactive below the ground, in rows...occult catacombs created when Nagash and Sigmar were still considered allies. Now,...the echos of the Necroquake(called Necroseismo, ****** badass) invigorated his...skeletal, they march for war. Katakros, the Mortarch of the Necropolis leads them, an eternal strategic genius whose...of ages past is consecrated to perfect the art of war.

The Ossiarch Bonereapers soley exist to conquer. Their only objective is to establish a new order from the bones of the ancient. Those who do not fulfill the tithe, either by choice or inability, are confronted by a terrible destiny. They will be cruelly ripped apart, their flesh separated from bone and their body from their soul until they becpme nothing but raw materials. Then, starting with tier remains, the same essence of what they were, they will be made into new bonereapers. This is the terrible truth of the Ossiarchs. They convert their victims into more of their own, and like death itself, they cannot be stopped.”

They seem like nice people.

The noses are a little odd.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
They seem like nice people.

Interesting to see how they interact with the rest of the Undead - but thats likely more Black LIbrary than Battletome

Cool backstory. I bit tyranids like. I like that they accepts bone taxes though. Although it seems like a bad thing to pay. How do you calculate it? By population, by acres of kingdom, by GDP or just on the whim of the tax collector?

If this is Nagash grand plan to take over the realms, I would like to see a Nagash faction that is what he hopes to achive once he has taken over a realm. If nahash rules all, what would the world look like. We need a faction like that.

By my interpretation it is hard to say--a half-mad god that has always sought total dominion does what when he gets it? If Nagash gained control of the mortal realms no doubt he would seek to overcome the Chaos Gods themselves as the only remaining foe, and likely be driven further to insanity by the impossibility of that task, in turn affecting that which he rules. At the end of Soul Wars Arkhan seems to understand that the best fate for Nagash is that he never actually wins, because victory would destroy him. So the idea of what the world would look like if Nagash rules all isn't a static thing, thus why it is hard to say what it would look like in definite terms.

I can see a point where Nagash might even get kicked down a few notches in power, even by his own side as others attempt to rise up. He rules a whole realm and the whole of death by force. Very few, even gods, can maintain such a level of forced control over agents that essentially all have a form of freedom of will and are gaining powers of their own.

Chaos Gods can rule supreme because the Chaos demons are but elements of themselves directly. But Gods of mortals and the immortal souls of the dead, those are different.

Already the Flesh Eaters are so driven mad that they basically don't obey; I can see the Mortarchs reaching a point where one or more attempt to, if not usurp, at least break away. They'd still be in the Grand Alliance, just not required to follow Nagash.

Much like how in Order not all the forces actually follow Sigmar (in fact Sylvaneth and aelves both have their own patron gods whilst the dwarves sort of lost theirs).

Anyone else starving a little bit for any more Ossiarch news? I’m getting a little too obsessed and have been refreshing all the news&rumours pages/threads I can find... October isn’t coming fast enough!

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Anyone else starving a little bit for any more Ossiarch news? I’m getting a little too obsessed and have been refreshing all the news&rumours pages/threads I can find... October isn’t coming fast enough!

I'm glad I'm not alone!

Cities first! Need some enterprising warehouse worker to start taking pics and get GW talking. Radio silence since the announcement.

I wouldn't get your hopes up about getting a bunch of new models for Free Cities. You're better off expecting just a combined battletome with new allegiance rules and maybe a new Leader choice. That's basically what Skaven got, and that's looking like the direction GW is going with this one. If you end up with more than that, great! If not, you had reasonable expectations

Yep this release is ALL about the 2.0 Battletomes more than anything else and that's great on its own. It makes functional armies and working factions for the game. Thereafter we'll end up like 40K is now - getting dripfed updates here and there; likely with some fancy campaign to story tie the releases together here and there .

Also if we assume Bonereapers gets at least one physical release in October then Cities and Orruks will appear anytime within the next 4 weeks. If Bonereapers only get a preorder in October then its any point in the next 5 weeks for Cities and Orruksl


edit - of course best news is if Bonereapers get 2 physical releases in October (I'm assuming that their release will come in 2 waves based on how many models GW has previewed) then that means any time in the next 3 weeks for the other two Battletomes! It's even better if GW went for a start of the month release for Bonereapers, but I'm not putting money on that

I am expecting no new models for free cities & orruks, but dam am I excited for them.

Definitely excited to see the bonereapers too. So many people not liking them has made me like them more because I feel like a unique minority.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I am expecting no new models for free cities & orruks, but dam am I excited for them.

Definitely excited to see the bonereapers too. So many people not liking them has made me like them more because I feel like a unique minority.

Honestly I'm expecting some to change their minds once they see them.

The ONLY thing that I'm discouraged about is all those curved bone parts - my inner anti-mouldline side is going to go nuts getting all the lines out (even more reason to grasp at those early castings)

Ugh good point...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Ugh good point...

Yep! I'm testing my resolve by getting some Morghasts - if I can't make it past a group of morghasts I'll have to give up on bonereapers on principle.


However I'm fully expecting not to give up! Heck this army is letting me put Morghasts down and those awesome Mortarch models too! Along with that are some fearsome cavalry, some might warriors and a great war engine.

I mean they can't be any worse than Untamed Beasts and all those toothed weapons. And at least there is no wavey hair (seriously for some reason that is the WORST thing to clean I find)

Oh I don't expect a single new model. At best a repurposed terrain kit.

I just want some idea of the changes and possibilities. Nothing since the reveal and cull has been frustrating

Do anybody know the rules of the new undead and how they play?

Nothing as yet, about the only hints we have are that:

1) It's likely not a horde army (like skaven) but its likely not as elite as Stormcast so likely somewhere between the two. This might vary depending on what internal builds it has (eg there might be a more swarmy option and a more elite options within the book).

2) Several of the models speak of repairs and replacements to models. Thus this faction might have a good resurrection feature (like necrons) and could also have summoning abilities. This summoning might be generated from things like kills made (representing them killing and then harvesting the bodies/souls - processing them into new warriors on the battlefield).

3) They appear to have no ranged units aside from the war engine at present. This might mean that they are very close combat based, with only magic and the artillery as ranged attacks.
This could change - GW might have held back on showing us ranged alternate builds or existing kits or ranged models in general - however considering that we've seen the "back of battletome" photo and not seen any archers and such on the walls, its less likely.

4) Their new four armed warriors are described as "changing minds during battle thus changing fighting styles." this might mean that their attack profiles have variations. This might be a choice of combat modifiers (+1 to hit; or +1 to wound, +1 damage, +1 attack kind of things) or could even represent different weapon/attack profiles on the warscroll.

5) The war engine likely has at least two different kinds of ammo as we see it throwing both skulls and a vase. We are unaware if it and the titan walking model have alternate build options. Again as we've not seen anything to suggest it on the back of the battletome and not heard any rumour from the rumour leak it might, again, be something we don't get.

It woyld make sence to be an elite army. Sigmar got the best hero souls, so Nagash is comprnsating by placing several spesialised souls in the same body.

Sigmar hasn't got all the heroic souls. He only has those he has chosen and whom were believers in him at the end, but also staunch fighters against Chaos. So there are many out there with a mighty soul who will have fallen who Sigmar hasn't got his hands on. Also I believe Sigmar is quite human focused, so there's aelves and dwarves with souls for Nagash.

I also can't recall if Nagash brought souls from the Old World with him in the collapse as that would give him even more.

 Overread wrote:
Sigmar hasn't got all the heroic souls. He only has those he has chosen and whom were believers in him at the end, but also staunch fighters against Chaos. So there are many out there with a mighty soul who will have fallen who Sigmar hasn't got his hands on. Also I believe Sigmar is quite human focused, so there's aelves and dwarves with souls for Nagash.

I also can't recall if Nagash brought souls from the Old World with him in the collapse as that would give him even more.

Exactly and before Sigmar started soul stealing there were many heroes who would have been pledged to other gods including Nagash....

It would make sense for them to be melee-focused with revival mechanics, strong magic, and weak to nonexistent range; those are the core pillars of Death as a grand alliance and have been going back to WHFB. I am glad they seem to be sticking with that.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It would make sense for them to be melee-focused with revival mechanics, strong magic, and weak to nonexistent range; those are the core pillars of Death as a grand alliance and have been going back to WHFB. I am glad they seem to be sticking with that.

Ranged: -Well they do have giant walking catapault monsters. I always liked the idea of Khalida's snake archers

You can stil play Khalida's archers. Her points are there.

I would like to see the return of the TK as stated by many players, many a times.

It would be nice to see an undead faction not afilliated with Nagash.

They may get a ranged build for the cavalry and/or the foot troops. Probably not but it’s possible.

 Niiai wrote:
You can stil play Khalida's archers. Her points are there.

I would like to see the return of the TK as stated by many players, many a times.

It would be nice to see an undead faction not afilliated with Nagash.

Alot of the undead only serve him because they must.

Quite a large number of Flesh Eater Courts are his enemy.

Many of the Undead including "his" Mortarchs (well maybe not Arkhan) would turn on him given an opportunity - what that would mean for them is however unclear.

The new Mortarch seems loyal (like Arkhan)

 Niiai wrote:
You can stil play Khalida's archers. Her points are there.

I would like to see the return of the TK as stated by many players, many a times.

It would be nice to see an undead faction not afilliated with Nagash.

I think the Ossiarch release was likely the final nail in the coffin for a TK release. They kind are doing what TK did with the constructs and what not.

I think the legends book that is going to get released is going to be the last solace for all TK players with their old models.

 Sasori wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
You can stil play Khalida's archers. Her points are there.

I would like to see the return of the TK as stated by many players, many a times.

It would be nice to see an undead faction not afilliated with Nagash.

I think the Ossiarch release was likely the final nail in the coffin for a TK release. They kind are doing what TK did with the constructs and what not.

I think the legends book that is going to get released is going to be the last solace for all TK players with their old models.

Specifically, yes, of course, especially since they were effectively killed off. However, constructs were only about a third or a fourth of the Tomb Kings shtick, with their unchangeable archery, mummies, and light chariot units rounding out the lot. The really odd part is that Nagash IS Khemrian, so that should influence his kingdom.

To be honest, I would like to see the Ossiarchs get a light archer unit they can spam a little like the Beastmen have with the Ungors and bring back some chariot units to complete the flavor, at least a little bit. It may "put the final nail in the coffin for TK", but I think that there is just as good a chance of the Squats returning to 40K as that happening (as disappointing as that is), so those of us hoping are just humoring ourselves on that front.

Asuming they still have the molds for the last wave of tomb kings they already have quite a bit of models. They would need ti create something new. It could be a very small army. (Although I realise the ushapti and other finecasts are gone.)

It's hard to say what moulds they still have and in what condition those moulds could be in and even if they are easily accessible or even if the know where they are in the archives.

I know that they've had metal moulds come up for legacy castings and the mould has just broken or degraded on them right at that moment (Morathi on the Pegasus in metal was one such case where it broke and they had to remove her from sale).

Plastic moulds tend to last a lot longer ,but I believe they are also bigger than metal ones (?) so it could be that storage space for them is important and that GW might have melted them down instead of store them.


Honestly its impossible to know what GW has in the archives, although in general they do appear to hold onto a LOT of their stuff adn also the rights to produce it. This gets somewhat annoying when they do short print run books and still have all the means and rights and gear to print more but just don't. Heck I was very pleased to see them do another print run of Libre Chaotica; but again it was a one time print run and once the stock was gone it was gone. Great afor anyone with money and desire at the time, but for such a tiny time window it means its a right pain for anyone who didn't have the money or wasn't into chaos (or even GW) at that time.

You can see how Wargames Factory produces plastic miniatures and how Iron Wind Metals produces metal miniatures. The processes are quite different from each other.

The big leader guy is pretty cool looking. His assistants are...oddly Samurai-esque?

The four-armed fellas are okay. Not particularly amazing, but okay.

The catapult is a bit too silly looking, and it's mounted on a big grub which is also a bit silly.

The cavalry are okay looking, though the whole line is weird looking - a few too many unnecessary components on each limb. They don't look as purposeful as a normal skeleton would.

The basic guys: gak stupid looking. However, it's mostly due to the heads/faces, so that should be an easy fix.

The highlight is the big leader, for sure. Overall the whole army just looks like a vague design that wasn't really fleshed out before it was put into production. I hate to say it, but the army feels like an army Mantic would design/build (only they'd do it in cheaper plastic). It feels like a line of bad guys from a Saturday morning cartoon, and not in a particularly good way. I hope people can convert/paint them to look far more sinister or cool, because the basic infantry guys are almost comically silly looking.. Definitely not a big win for me. Odd, too, considering that GW has always had a very strong capability to design and sell Undead kits (excluding the awful Zombie kit dating from 1999 or whatever).

For me I think they all look really cool, except for the big boss. He looks fat. And I can't wrap my mind around the idea of a fat skeleton, not even one that isn't actually a skeleton, but made up of skeletons....he just looks fat!

Looks more like he's wearing heavy armor than being fat...

Yeah I’m not seeing fat... he’s wearing a body made of bone, sculpted to look like a well toned humanoid, in a similar way to ancient Greek and Roman statues.

I figure if someone paints him and separates body and armour with a different colour you'd have a different impression. I also agree, he's not fat he's sporting a well muscled body; in fact if you look at wrestlers and the like you'll actually see the gut gets quite large. It's not so much fat as it is the body layering on muscle to avoid twisting damage from the exercises that they go through. They are training the whole body not just a segment of the muscles to stand out.

The sculpted body-builder look is actually a carefully sculpted thing and many of them do very specific exercises to avoid the gut getting thicker. They also often dehydrate themselves when going on show, which makes their muscles stand out all the more on the body.

Also, most body builders with sculpted muscles are not nearly as strong as big thick strongmen. Look at the beast that played the Mountain on Game of Thrones, or Olympic powerlifters.

Oh I agree, if he had skin he would probably look more like someone I would describe as beefy. Which would in no way be a negative. However, he's bone...and a thick boned humanoid figure is not something I can really imagine. I'm not looking at him and thinking he's a buff skeleton.

So according to the cool French rumour dude, Ossiarchs will be mid October. Who knows if that’s true, but means we may potentially see some articles on them soon.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
So according to the cool French rumour dude, Ossiarchs will be mid October. Who knows if that’s true, but means we may potentially see some articles on them soon.

Mid October would be great, but who is this cool french dude?

He’s the dude who’s been spilling a bunch of rumours about the new 40k campaign.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
He’s the dude who’s been spilling a bunch of rumours about the new 40k campaign.

Are his rumours accurate or have they yet to be proven?

I could be wrong, but I think he may be the one who was right about the Raven Guard and Iron Warrior’s release schedule and some of their abilities. But I think there might be another guy who’s also been spilling similar rumours, so that may have been the other dude.
He’s saying the first 40k campaign book about the Eldar is quite early in October so we might see if he’s right about that soon.

I can see GW releasing battletomes, then the new 40K stuff then Ossiarks. Especially as the new 40K campaign should be just a one week release so an easy one to slot between two AoS releases.

Yeah I agree. I’m keen to see. I want to get a closer look of those leaders, and a taste of the juicy tactical rules!

Well GW said they'd be October, early is obviously out of the question so that leaves mid or late October.

Actually early is only out of the question if they aren't previewed tomorrow Which would honestly be very surprising. So yeah mid to late -

No way they will launch them one week after a double battletome release.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
No way they will launch them one week after a double battletome release.

While I don't think they would do this normally, if they were going to do it, CoS and Orruk Warclans would likely be the time to do it. They don't have any terrain or endless spells. It's really just the tomes. I also can't imagine a signficiant number people are going to be buying a ton of new CoS models either. What I am saying, is basically I don't think this release would impact the sales of any Bonereaper stuff.

That being said, I don't think they will either. There is plenty of 40k stuff for a buffer. I do think we are looking at a two week release for this tome and range though.

I hope you're underestimating the impact of Orruks and Cities - whislt they might not have models they are both landmark Battletomes (esp Cities) and should hopefully translate into a lot of people buying into the armies where they've otherwise been on the fence or waiting thus far.

I kind of doubt it. New players would still have to direct-order 90% of their army from GW, at full price, for CoS, and I feel like it's mostly old players holding on to their armies that will benefit from it. Warclans might have bigger impact, but again, it feels often that people enjoy the gloomspite's variety far more than the "basicness" of orcs,and the tome doesn't seem to do much to help that.

I'm sure there will be new and returning players happy with the books, but it will not generate the same buzz and revenue as the nighthaunts or idoneth would.

Or get the start collecting sets. I've also noticed that GW is steadily reducing Direct Order Only. In fact its already possible for 3rd party stores to stock and supply them, just not with the same discount level.

Plus I think its more than old fans, though online they will make the most noise about it.

Reapers are probably mid to late Oct. We have the Underworlds gangs next week then I'd expect the Salamanders and Fists supplements cuz that abomination train has no brakes.

Will there be a Ossiarch Ogor box set? They hinted at that with the new Ogor leader. That might save us some money if we split with an Ogor player.

 Popsghostly wrote:
Will there be a Ossiarch Ogor box set? They hinted at that with the new Ogor leader. That might save us some money if we split with an Ogor player.

They've hinted at fests and tides of bones in the Ogors video that showed off the new leader model. However we've no confirmation of a new duel boxed set or anything. There might be a story link between the two alone or it might haven nothing to do with bonereapers. They don't have a monopoly on bones in the setting. Ogors could just as easily be paired with another release or they might have more than one new model and there is no duel box. Really hard to say.