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 Elmir wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Honestly I see them and immediately think "that is Nagash's motif" which I love. I don't see "skeletons with [culture] influences" I see the Nagash style. It has it's own look.

But that's just me.

Agreed.

This army looks weird, but I love it... It's got those super cool death artwork elements from the rulebook in it.

This is an army expanded from the Morghast mini, which in itself was a mismash of TK and VC (the construct/golem look with the soul-y skulls and stuff).

Add a dash of necron for the whole thing (which is very intentional since necrons started as Tomb kings in space) and it's done.

Pretty low-effort release. At least the elf shark riders and steampunk dwarves were silly-cool. This is just meh.

jouso wrote:

 Elmir wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Honestly I see them and immediately think "that is Nagash's motif" which I love. I don't see "skeletons with [culture] influences" I see the Nagash style. It has it's own look.

But that's just me.

Agreed.

This army looks weird, but I love it... It's got those super cool death artwork elements from the rulebook in it.

This is an army expanded from the Morghast mini, which in itself was a mismash of TK and VC (the construct/golem look with the soul-y skulls and stuff).

Add a dash of necron for the whole thing (which is very intentional since necrons started as Tomb kings in space) and it's done.

Pretty low-effort release. At least the elf shark riders and steampunk dwarves were silly-cool. This is just meh.

While I can understand that not everyone may like the aesthetic, to say that this is a low effort release is just being disingenuous. There was clearly a lot of work put into it, and it is looking like one of the largest army releases in quite a while.

Yeah, low-effort isn't really what I would use to describe this army release. Just alone what they've shown gives us...

2 mystery heroes
1 Necromancer-type character
1 Cavalry/mounted Hero
1 New Mortarch
New Cavalry skeletons
New Sword/Spear n' Board battle line
The four armed dudes with swords, which may be a dual-kit with the four-armed skeletons with spears and shields
Bone Monster grabbing bodies for nefarious deeds
Catapult with many legs.

My wonder is if they'll get their own Endless Spells and Terrain Features, as seems to be the norm for most army releases/updates now.

There is a terrain feature we saw in the potato leaks. Don't recall endless spells but I'd be surprised if they didn't have any.

 Thadin wrote:
Yeah, low-effort isn't really what I would use to describe this army release. Just alone what they've shown gives us...

2 mystery heroes
1 Necromancer-type character
1 Cavalry/mounted Hero
1 New Mortarch
New Cavalry skeletons
New Sword/Spear n' Board battle line
The four armed dudes with swords, which may be a dual-kit with the four-armed skeletons with spears and shields
Bone Monster grabbing bodies for nefarious deeds
Catapult with many legs.

My wonder is if they'll get their own Endless Spells and Terrain Features, as seems to be the norm for most army releases/updates now.

Their terrain feature was revealed in the leaks, it's called a "Bone-Tithe Nexus"

Even Space Marines are not universally liked - its near impossible for GW to produce an army everyone likes in all ways. Some will like it some will loathe it - that's why we have variety and not just endless ranks and files of marines.


And yeah the terrain feature is a large pillar festooned at the base with offerings of skulls and bones it seems. So a bit like the Fane of Slaanesh in that its an offering spot. Of course for the Reapers its clearly that the opponent made an offering, was found wanting, and thus the Reapers have come for the rest!

Saw some pics over on the tga forum, and also a rough translation of some fluff from the leaked pics. Dunno if you guys have seen it all, but I thought I’d post it over here, because why not?

“The Ossiarch Bone reapers surge forth in all their...splendor, now that they are the manifested will(literal translation is "living will")...Everything they touch is turned into..., such as the corpse as is the soul.

...method of maintaining distant of the...unliving horrors(?), to avoid(something happening)...drown in the flesh...an option the Ossiarch leaders... to explain the dry, sepulchral tone...with their future victims in a joke(prank?)...of a parliament. Their heart is frozen when the real horror of their proposal is made evident(artistic liberty): giving a tithe of bones...the Ossiarch Empire can maintain itself...at least for a time.

...a military force unlike any other...with supernatural organization and efficiency...led by generals created by...Nagash, that have received a portion...of necromantic power. During times...immemorial, the legions of Bonereapers...inactive below the ground, in rows...occult catacombs created when Nagash and Sigmar were still considered allies. Now,...the echos of the Necroquake(called Necroseismo, ****** badass) invigorated his...skeletal, they march for war. Katakros, the Mortarch of the Necropolis leads them, an eternal strategic genius whose...of ages past is consecrated to perfect the art of war.

The Ossiarch Bonereapers soley exist to conquer. Their only objective is to establish a new order from the bones of the ancient. Those who do not fulfill the tithe, either by choice or inability, are confronted by a terrible destiny. They will be cruelly ripped apart, their flesh separated from bone and their body from their soul until they becpme nothing but raw materials. Then, starting with tier remains, the same essence of what they were, they will be made into new bonereapers. This is the terrible truth of the Ossiarchs. They convert their victims into more of their own, and like death itself, they cannot be stopped.”

They seem like nice people.

The noses are a little odd.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
They seem like nice people.

Interesting to see how they interact with the rest of the Undead - but thats likely more Black LIbrary than Battletome

Cool backstory. I bit tyranids like. I like that they accepts bone taxes though. Although it seems like a bad thing to pay. How do you calculate it? By population, by acres of kingdom, by GDP or just on the whim of the tax collector?

If this is Nagash grand plan to take over the realms, I would like to see a Nagash faction that is what he hopes to achive once he has taken over a realm. If nahash rules all, what would the world look like. We need a faction like that.

By my interpretation it is hard to say--a half-mad god that has always sought total dominion does what when he gets it? If Nagash gained control of the mortal realms no doubt he would seek to overcome the Chaos Gods themselves as the only remaining foe, and likely be driven further to insanity by the impossibility of that task, in turn affecting that which he rules. At the end of Soul Wars Arkhan seems to understand that the best fate for Nagash is that he never actually wins, because victory would destroy him. So the idea of what the world would look like if Nagash rules all isn't a static thing, thus why it is hard to say what it would look like in definite terms.

I can see a point where Nagash might even get kicked down a few notches in power, even by his own side as others attempt to rise up. He rules a whole realm and the whole of death by force. Very few, even gods, can maintain such a level of forced control over agents that essentially all have a form of freedom of will and are gaining powers of their own.

Chaos Gods can rule supreme because the Chaos demons are but elements of themselves directly. But Gods of mortals and the immortal souls of the dead, those are different.

Already the Flesh Eaters are so driven mad that they basically don't obey; I can see the Mortarchs reaching a point where one or more attempt to, if not usurp, at least break away. They'd still be in the Grand Alliance, just not required to follow Nagash.

Much like how in Order not all the forces actually follow Sigmar (in fact Sylvaneth and aelves both have their own patron gods whilst the dwarves sort of lost theirs).

Anyone else starving a little bit for any more Ossiarch news? I’m getting a little too obsessed and have been refreshing all the news&rumours pages/threads I can find... October isn’t coming fast enough!

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Anyone else starving a little bit for any more Ossiarch news? I’m getting a little too obsessed and have been refreshing all the news&rumours pages/threads I can find... October isn’t coming fast enough!

I'm glad I'm not alone!

Cities first! Need some enterprising warehouse worker to start taking pics and get GW talking. Radio silence since the announcement.

I wouldn't get your hopes up about getting a bunch of new models for Free Cities. You're better off expecting just a combined battletome with new allegiance rules and maybe a new Leader choice. That's basically what Skaven got, and that's looking like the direction GW is going with this one. If you end up with more than that, great! If not, you had reasonable expectations

Yep this release is ALL about the 2.0 Battletomes more than anything else and that's great on its own. It makes functional armies and working factions for the game. Thereafter we'll end up like 40K is now - getting dripfed updates here and there; likely with some fancy campaign to story tie the releases together here and there .

Also if we assume Bonereapers gets at least one physical release in October then Cities and Orruks will appear anytime within the next 4 weeks. If Bonereapers only get a preorder in October then its any point in the next 5 weeks for Cities and Orruksl


edit - of course best news is if Bonereapers get 2 physical releases in October (I'm assuming that their release will come in 2 waves based on how many models GW has previewed) then that means any time in the next 3 weeks for the other two Battletomes! It's even better if GW went for a start of the month release for Bonereapers, but I'm not putting money on that

I am expecting no new models for free cities & orruks, but dam am I excited for them.

Definitely excited to see the bonereapers too. So many people not liking them has made me like them more because I feel like a unique minority.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I am expecting no new models for free cities & orruks, but dam am I excited for them.

Definitely excited to see the bonereapers too. So many people not liking them has made me like them more because I feel like a unique minority.

Honestly I'm expecting some to change their minds once they see them.

The ONLY thing that I'm discouraged about is all those curved bone parts - my inner anti-mouldline side is going to go nuts getting all the lines out (even more reason to grasp at those early castings)

Ugh good point...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Ugh good point...

Yep! I'm testing my resolve by getting some Morghasts - if I can't make it past a group of morghasts I'll have to give up on bonereapers on principle.


However I'm fully expecting not to give up! Heck this army is letting me put Morghasts down and those awesome Mortarch models too! Along with that are some fearsome cavalry, some might warriors and a great war engine.

I mean they can't be any worse than Untamed Beasts and all those toothed weapons. And at least there is no wavey hair (seriously for some reason that is the WORST thing to clean I find)

Oh I don't expect a single new model. At best a repurposed terrain kit.

I just want some idea of the changes and possibilities. Nothing since the reveal and cull has been frustrating

Do anybody know the rules of the new undead and how they play?

Nothing as yet, about the only hints we have are that:

1) It's likely not a horde army (like skaven) but its likely not as elite as Stormcast so likely somewhere between the two. This might vary depending on what internal builds it has (eg there might be a more swarmy option and a more elite options within the book).

2) Several of the models speak of repairs and replacements to models. Thus this faction might have a good resurrection feature (like necrons) and could also have summoning abilities. This summoning might be generated from things like kills made (representing them killing and then harvesting the bodies/souls - processing them into new warriors on the battlefield).

3) They appear to have no ranged units aside from the war engine at present. This might mean that they are very close combat based, with only magic and the artillery as ranged attacks.
This could change - GW might have held back on showing us ranged alternate builds or existing kits or ranged models in general - however considering that we've seen the "back of battletome" photo and not seen any archers and such on the walls, its less likely.

4) Their new four armed warriors are described as "changing minds during battle thus changing fighting styles." this might mean that their attack profiles have variations. This might be a choice of combat modifiers (+1 to hit; or +1 to wound, +1 damage, +1 attack kind of things) or could even represent different weapon/attack profiles on the warscroll.

5) The war engine likely has at least two different kinds of ammo as we see it throwing both skulls and a vase. We are unaware if it and the titan walking model have alternate build options. Again as we've not seen anything to suggest it on the back of the battletome and not heard any rumour from the rumour leak it might, again, be something we don't get.

It woyld make sence to be an elite army. Sigmar got the best hero souls, so Nagash is comprnsating by placing several spesialised souls in the same body.

Sigmar hasn't got all the heroic souls. He only has those he has chosen and whom were believers in him at the end, but also staunch fighters against Chaos. So there are many out there with a mighty soul who will have fallen who Sigmar hasn't got his hands on. Also I believe Sigmar is quite human focused, so there's aelves and dwarves with souls for Nagash.

I also can't recall if Nagash brought souls from the Old World with him in the collapse as that would give him even more.

 Overread wrote:
Sigmar hasn't got all the heroic souls. He only has those he has chosen and whom were believers in him at the end, but also staunch fighters against Chaos. So there are many out there with a mighty soul who will have fallen who Sigmar hasn't got his hands on. Also I believe Sigmar is quite human focused, so there's aelves and dwarves with souls for Nagash.

I also can't recall if Nagash brought souls from the Old World with him in the collapse as that would give him even more.

Exactly and before Sigmar started soul stealing there were many heroes who would have been pledged to other gods including Nagash....

It would make sense for them to be melee-focused with revival mechanics, strong magic, and weak to nonexistent range; those are the core pillars of Death as a grand alliance and have been going back to WHFB. I am glad they seem to be sticking with that.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It would make sense for them to be melee-focused with revival mechanics, strong magic, and weak to nonexistent range; those are the core pillars of Death as a grand alliance and have been going back to WHFB. I am glad they seem to be sticking with that.

Ranged: -Well they do have giant walking catapault monsters. I always liked the idea of Khalida's snake archers