I just think that's wonderful. The power fist is already an over the top weapon, and that's one of the only ways you can go beyond that.
Well, besides sticking a chainsaw underneath it.

What's the purpose of this topic? Probably your favorite over the top weapon on a model I guess.

Yeah it's a great model, I'm a big fan.

He looks dumb and strong, like Space Marine should, and even though I don't collect Marines I would definitely run him, I mean, slowly 5" walk him to the enemy while saying every meme dorn alfabusa joke I remember.

Head looks dumb, rest is kinda cool. I think it's one of those models that don't look that good on pictures.

Assuming that's giant-sized Lysander, it seems a shame he's ditched his traditional weaponry.

 Dysartes wrote:
Assuming that's giant-sized Lysander, it seems a shame he's ditched his traditional weaponry.

I don't think it is. Each character has a quote in the video and I think it's these new guys.

 Dysartes wrote:
Assuming that's giant-sized Lysander, it seems a shame he's ditched his traditional weaponry.

It's not Lysander. The datasheet is leaked.

I like the Salamander guy but the Fist one is just boring. Not bad or good just boring. Perhaps because I'm sick of constant Marines or maybe it's that apart from the back gun he looks incredibly generic.

pm713 wrote:
I like the Salamander guy but the Fist one is just boring. Not bad or good just boring. Perhaps because I'm sick of constant Marines or maybe it's that apart from the back gun he looks incredibly generic.

Weird, I had the total opposed reaction! I thought the IF character was a big departure in design for a marine Character, with his gear more focused on support tech with the apparatus on his other shoulder and left arm. Very cool in my opinion.

 Stux wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I like the Salamander guy but the Fist one is just boring. Not bad or good just boring. Perhaps because I'm sick of constant Marines or maybe it's that apart from the back gun he looks incredibly generic.

Weird, I had the total opposed reaction! I thought the IF character was a big departure in design for a marine Character, with his gear more focused on support tech with the apparatus on his other shoulder and left arm. Very cool in my opinion.

It looks too much like a battlesuit for my tastes, not enough like an armoured man. Also, Strength 12 (13 against vehicles/buildings) fist? But Marines get a save on a 6+.

I thought it was a triple barrel bolter until I saw that datasheet. I don't play Fists, but I hope for their sake, he comes with a helmet option, because the Desperate Dan chin is just hilarious. After Shrike's fringe and this guy's chin, I can't wait to see what bizarre head Games-Workshop can come up with next.

As for over the top, I think that trophy still firmly belongs to the Repulsor Executioner: an up-gunned version of what was already the most outrageously over weaponized contraption outside of the back of some 9 year old's copy book.

I like the model overall, but the face leaves a lot to be desired. Hoping for a helmeted option.

I was thinking I'd need a helmet, but his steely gaze and stout features suggest that no bullet would ever dare to strike him in the noggin'.

Lemondish wrote:
I was thinking I'd need a helmet, but his steely gaze and stout features suggest that no bullet would ever dare to strike him in the noggin'.

He has a force field anyway, he's all good.

I love the "IMMA SMACK YOU IN THE MOUTH" aesthetic they are going for. Especially since he's got mounted grav cannons apparently, and he looks like the bad toy from Small Soldiers...

For reference:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/18/fists-and-fire-new-miniatures-revealed/

My only problem with Mr. Brass Knuckles is the Gravgun has no visible aiming mechanism, it looks like it's just laying over the backpack with nothing but the cable balancing it there. I actually applaud going for some variety and not doing the obvious "Gravstorm Gauntlet" mount, but it needed another pass or two.

My favourit FW model is an imperial fist guy with a shield and a fist, so this guy looks okey. The gun and its placement is strange and takes away from the model IMO. Bulky big space marine guy and a nice model. The salamander one is nice too. heavens above the wierd looking RG dude

 Stux wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Assuming that's giant-sized Lysander, it seems a shame he's ditched his traditional weaponry.

It's not Lysander. The datasheet is leaked.

Even without the leak, its in the video.

First as a quote, then if you try to share it, its called "Imperial Fists - Tor Garadon Reveal"

I do not like this guy at all. He looks more like a toy than a gaming piece. He's just missing the ripcord in his chest that you pull out so the "model" can yell "For the Emperor!".

So it looks like he has single barreled bolters on his wrists, maybe meltas? Flamers?

The salamanders sculpt is much better in my eyes.
The IF guy just looks pretty derpy and that's with a pro paint job, I really hope he gets a helmet option.

So it's a Power Fist that is x3S and flat D3. Nice.

Another Over-the-Top model I've always like is the GK DreadKnight. It gets a lot of flakk for looking like a baby carrier, but the reasoning for it is suitably OTT. GKs are already anti-Daemon specialists and most of their characters can go 1v1 against Greater Daemons, but we also need an augment suit to put them at the same height and OP scale as a GD (fluff-wise anyway)

Also Centurions - A suit of armour for your armour

Regarding Adrax Agatone - I really like the model, especially his wargear but my only complaint is the fire pintle on his back. It would have looked better as 2 smaller ones. But as 1 central flame, I keep seeing it as Abaddon's hair piece

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 Galef wrote:
...Another Over-the-Top model I've always like is the GK DreadKnight. It gets a lot of flakk for looking like a baby carrier, but the reasoning for it is suitably OTT. GKs are already anti-Daemon specialists and most of their characters can go 1v1 against Greater Daemons, but we also need an augment suit to put them at the same height and OP scale as a GD (fluff-wise anyway)...

...Which wouldn't be necessary if GW hadn't decided the plastic Greater Daemons needed to be 3-4x the height of the metal ones.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So it looks like he has single barreled bolters on his wrists, maybe meltas? Flamers?

Nope, no weapons in his fist. They are probably a secondary punch that occurs after the initial punch, hence the x3 strength of the weapon.

I love the model personally, I think the fist is really cool but the backpack gun does look a little converted. The model will be improved a hell of a lot once you replace the face with an Aggressor or Inceptor helmet, then it will just look plain nasty. Below is a very quick image edit with a red aggressor helm.



Already looks infinitely better

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Galef wrote:
...Another Over-the-Top model I've always like is the GK DreadKnight. It gets a lot of flakk for looking like a baby carrier, but the reasoning for it is suitably OTT. GKs are already anti-Daemon specialists and most of their characters can go 1v1 against Greater Daemons, but we also need an augment suit to put them at the same height and OP scale as a GD (fluff-wise anyway)...

...Which wouldn't be necessary if GW hadn't decided the plastic Greater Daemons needed to be 3-4x the height of the metal ones.

To be fair, the GK DK came out before the first plastic Greater Daemon, so it's size being "necessary" to match their size wasn't the issue when the DK was designed.
But otherwise, I agree with your sentiment. Scale creep is pretty ridiculous.

 Deadshot wrote:
I love the model personally, I think the fist is really cool but the backpack gun does look a little converted. The model will be improved a hell of a lot once you replace the face with an Aggressor or Inceptor helmet, then it will just look plain nasty. Below is a very quick image edit with a red aggressor helm.



Already looks infinitely better

Agree. That boi needs a helmet

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 bullyboy wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So it looks like he has single barreled bolters on his wrists, maybe meltas? Flamers?

Nope, no weapons in his fist. They are probably a secondary punch that occurs after the initial punch, hence the x3 strength of the weapon.

No, look at his NON-power fist. He has a gun on it. Seconded by the belt of ammo going to the fist. It's the same with the other fist. He's got powerfisted guns, ala Bobby and Vulcan.

They both look like they were intended to be Vulken and Lysander but either fluff changed or they bottled it and just made the generic charter a and b.

That is the only thing that explains the fists head, the sculpt was done then with 30mins warning they needed a new head for it and enter desperate derpy Dan.

Actually he reminds me of the guy on the original space hulk box.

My only dissapointment with the fist (otger than no reveal of what the rest of it looks like) is that the knuckles weren't made to look like little Imperial Fists.

I don't believe they are knuckledusters.

Some of the 30K Ad Mech seige autonama have basically grav fists which hit like a truck. Ties with the grav gun and amp as it hits so hard.

My 2p.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
My only dissapointment with the fist (otger than no reveal of what the rest of it looks like) is that the knuckles weren't made to look like little Imperial Fists.

This.... upsets me.

Honestly i dont mind the over the top head.

the thing that bothers me about the model is actually the grav gun.

really sick of those things.

 Desubot wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
My only dissapointment with the fist (otger than no reveal of what the rest of it looks like) is that the knuckles weren't made to look like little Imperial Fists.

This.... upsets me.

Honestly i dont mind the over the top head.

the thing that bothers me about the model is actually the grav gun.

really sick of those things.

Grav hasn't really seen a lot of table time this edition, due to not being bery good, and at least it works as means of damaging fortifications. Plus the grav gives the model a different feel than melta would, so I can appreciate it being something different.

The top mounted gun thing is actually giving me a bit of a Saturine vibe, which I dig since those guys felt like walking heavy weapon emplacements.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
My only dissapointment with the fist (otger than no reveal of what the rest of it looks like) is that the knuckles weren't made to look like little Imperial Fists.

This.... upsets me.

Honestly i dont mind the over the top head.

the thing that bothers me about the model is actually the grav gun.

really sick of those things.

Grav hasn't really seen a lot of table time this edition, due to not being bery good, and at least it works as means of damaging fortifications. Plus the grav gives the model a different feel than melta would, so I can appreciate it being something different.

The top mounted gun thing is actually giving me a bit of a Saturine vibe, which I dig since those guys felt like walking heavy weapon emplacements.

It bothers me only because of the previous edition. i like the shoulder mounted gun. but would of preferred a melta or even a bolter of some sort imho.

Its a ok model at best for me - the shoulder gun looks a bit crap but its not gak like Centurions or Baby carrier.

Much prefer the Salamander.

 Desubot wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
My only dissapointment with the fist (otger than no reveal of what the rest of it looks like) is that the knuckles weren't made to look like little Imperial Fists.

This.... upsets me.

Honestly i dont mind the over the top head.

the thing that bothers me about the model is actually the grav gun.

really sick of those things.

Grav hasn't really seen a lot of table time this edition, due to not being bery good, and at least it works as means of damaging fortifications. Plus the grav gives the model a different feel than melta would, so I can appreciate it being something different.

The top mounted gun thing is actually giving me a bit of a Saturine vibe, which I dig since those guys felt like walking heavy weapon emplacements.

It bothers me only because of the previous edition. i like the shoulder mounted gun. but would of preferred a melta or even a bolter of some sort imho.

A heavy bolter would be nice, but doesn't fit into the bolter drill, or fortification destruction parts of the Fists. If we went a different direction I'd argue for a Lascannon, but the fact they went with a Rapid Fire weapon makes me wonder if the Fists are going to lean into the Tactical Doctrine more.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So it looks like he has single barreled bolters on his wrists, maybe meltas? Flamers?

Nope, no weapons in his fist. They are probably a secondary punch that occurs after the initial punch, hence the x3 strength of the weapon.

No, look at his NON-power fist. He has a gun on it. Seconded by the belt of ammo going to the fist. It's the same with the other fist. He's got powerfisted guns, ala Bobby and Vulcan.

Few things here:

1) that is a power cable, not a belt of ammo.
2) you posted both of these statements after the the leaked datasheet was posted... So....
3) it is the other portion of his signum array(bit over his right shoulder. Presumably the same portions are built into Iron Father Fierros' bionic eye.


As far as the OTT giant fist goes: I appreciate the S 3x rules reflecting the rediculous size of it. The gravgun lack of mounting does seem off though. Like it needs a little post and brace.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So it looks like he has single barreled bolters on his wrists, maybe meltas? Flamers?

Nope, no weapons in his fist. They are probably a secondary punch that occurs after the initial punch, hence the x3 strength of the weapon.

No, look at his NON-power fist. He has a gun on it. Seconded by the belt of ammo going to the fist. It's the same with the other fist. He's got powerfisted guns, ala Bobby and Vulcan.

Few things here:

1) that is a power cable, not a belt of ammo.
2) you posted both of these statements after the the leaked datasheet was posted... So....
3) it is the other portion of his signum array(bit over his right shoulder. Presumably the same portions are built into Iron Father Fierros' bionic eye.


As far as the OTT giant fist goes: I appreciate the S 3x rules reflecting the rediculous size of it. The gravgun lack of mounting does seem off though. Like it needs a little post and brace.

I'm just going to assume he either stole that fist from a Dreadnought, or it's some kind of experimental model (which explains why it needs it's own massive power cable) and he saw it and said "yeah, I could cast fist with that."

I think that if you can tweak the grav mount a bit and give him a helmet, its an decent model.

 MannyMcCoconut wrote:
I think that if you can tweak the grav mount a bit and give him a helmet, its an decent model.

Helmets are pretty easy to fix. I mean we get a free one in our upgrade sprue:

 Ishagu wrote:
Yeah it's a great model, I'm a big fan.

I'm glad you earned your pay check from GW this week.

 Shadenuat wrote:
He looks dumb and strong, like Space Marine should, and even though I don't collect Marines I would definitely run him, I mean, slowly 5" walk him to the enemy while saying every meme dorn alfabusa joke I remember.

Hold my beer.

Let’s put wolverine claws on the powerfist.

Now, let’s charge them with lightning...

SeanDrake wrote:
They both look like they were intended to be Vulken and Lysander but either fluff changed or they bottled it and just made the generic charter a and b.

That is the only thing that explains the fists head, the sculpt was done then with 30mins warning they needed a new head for it and enter desperate derpy Dan.

No idea about the IF guy but I'd be amazed if that was ever meant to be vulkan. Considering he carries the spear of vulkan the likelihood of him discarding it in favour of a thunder hammer seems pretty slim.

kingheff wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
They both look like they were intended to be Vulken and Lysander but either fluff changed or they bottled it and just made the generic charter a and b.

That is the only thing that explains the fists head, the sculpt was done then with 30mins warning they needed a new head for it and enter desperate derpy Dan.

No idea about the IF guy but I'd be amazed if that was ever meant to be vulkan. Considering he carries the spear of vulkan the likelihood of him discarding it in favour of a thunder hammer seems pretty slim.

It's not Vulkan. The video names him as Adrax Agatone.

kingheff wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
They both look like they were intended to be Vulken and Lysander but either fluff changed or they bottled it and just made the generic charter a and b.

That is the only thing that explains the fists head, the sculpt was done then with 30mins warning they needed a new head for it and enter desperate derpy Dan.

No idea about the IF guy but I'd be amazed if that was ever meant to be vulkan. Considering he carries the spear of vulkan the likelihood of him discarding it in favour of a thunder hammer seems pretty slim.

Its the same deal if the IF guy was supposed to be lysander

considering big lyssy has a very cool storm shield and a relic thunder hammer which has a fist on it.

 Desubot wrote:

kingheff wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
They both look like they were intended to be Vulken and Lysander but either fluff changed or they bottled it and just made the generic charter a and b.

That is the only thing that explains the fists head, the sculpt was done then with 30mins warning they needed a new head for it and enter desperate derpy Dan.

No idea about the IF guy but I'd be amazed if that was ever meant to be vulkan. Considering he carries the spear of vulkan the likelihood of him discarding it in favour of a thunder hammer seems pretty slim.

Its the same deal if the IF guy was supposed to be lysander

considering big lyssy has a very cool storm shield and a relic thunder hammer which has a fist on it.

He's the 3rd Company Captain (former named Sergeant Upgrade) from the Imperial Fists supplement we got last edition.

 MannyMcCoconut wrote:
I think that if you can tweak the grav mount a bit and give him a helmet, its an decent model.

Better mount for the Grav-Gun and a helmet and he's good.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

kingheff wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
They both look like they were intended to be Vulken and Lysander but either fluff changed or they bottled it and just made the generic charter a and b.

That is the only thing that explains the fists head, the sculpt was done then with 30mins warning they needed a new head for it and enter desperate derpy Dan.

No idea about the IF guy but I'd be amazed if that was ever meant to be vulkan. Considering he carries the spear of vulkan the likelihood of him discarding it in favour of a thunder hammer seems pretty slim.

Its the same deal if the IF guy was supposed to be lysander

considering big lyssy has a very cool storm shield and a relic thunder hammer which has a fist on it.

He's the 3rd Company Captain (former named Sergeant Upgrade) from the Imperial Fists supplement we got last edition.

I know he isnt supposed to be lysander. im replying to the suggestion that these are supposed to be him and vulkan.

 Desubot wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

kingheff wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
They both look like they were intended to be Vulken and Lysander but either fluff changed or they bottled it and just made the generic charter a and b.

That is the only thing that explains the fists head, the sculpt was done then with 30mins warning they needed a new head for it and enter desperate derpy Dan.

No idea about the IF guy but I'd be amazed if that was ever meant to be vulkan. Considering he carries the spear of vulkan the likelihood of him discarding it in favour of a thunder hammer seems pretty slim.

Its the same deal if the IF guy was supposed to be lysander

considering big lyssy has a very cool storm shield and a relic thunder hammer which has a fist on it.

He's the 3rd Company Captain (former named Sergeant Upgrade) from the Imperial Fists supplement we got last edition.

I know he isnt supposed to be lysander. im replying to the suggestion that these are supposed to be him and vulkan.

And I was adding onto that with whom he's supposed to be for the folks who didn't know that he existed before this.

What is it with GW and Primaris unhelmeted marine heads lately? The Raven Guard are all emo, and this new Imperial Fist is "Derpy Dan". Sculptors, move away from caricatures and cartoons!

The Salamander is not a bad looking model, although his lower face is covered with the breather mask. That might be what's keeping that figure from becoming another cartoon.

But what is wrong about the guys face, it is a regular dudes face, aside of the hair colour, I could find thousands of dudes having a face like that in my area. He has the classic miner/lumbermill/steelworker face.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
What is it with GW and Primaris unhelmeted marine heads lately? The Raven Guard are all emo, and this new Imperial Fist is "Derpy Dan". Sculptors, move away from caricatures and cartoons!

The Salamander is not a bad looking model, although his lower face is covered with the breather mask. That might be what's keeping that figure from becoming another cartoon.

I think they're trying to give each chapter a distinct look and unfortunately some of it is verging to caricature.

 Crimson wrote:

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
What is it with GW and Primaris unhelmeted marine heads lately? The Raven Guard are all emo, and this new Imperial Fist is "Derpy Dan". Sculptors, move away from caricatures and cartoons!

The Salamander is not a bad looking model, although his lower face is covered with the breather mask. That might be what's keeping that figure from becoming another cartoon.

I think they're trying to give each chapter a distinct look and unfortunately some of it is verging to caricature.

I think miniatures are a bad medium for that. Some things 40k cannot do on the tabletop and varied faces seem to be on that list.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
What is it with GW and Primaris unhelmeted marine heads lately? The Raven Guard are all emo, and this new Imperial Fist is "Derpy Dan". Sculptors, move away from caricatures and cartoons!

The Salamander is not a bad looking model, although his lower face is covered with the breather mask. That might be what's keeping that figure from becoming another cartoon.

What do we mean "lately"? Most of the Marine characters have helmetless models. It's less common for them to have helmets unless their Chaplains.

Yeah, the trend has always been that sergeants and officers/characters have been helmetless.

Also, GW paints their figures in a cartoonish style, which tends to make characters look a bit off (worst example of late being the “male” Banshee autarch )

It is the cartoony look of the new helmetless heads. My 3rd ed. Blood Angels have their share of helmetless heads for the character models, but they are not goofy-looking like this Fist character or the Raven Guard.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
What is it with GW and Primaris unhelmeted marine heads lately? The Raven Guard are all emo, and this new Imperial Fist is "Derpy Dan". Sculptors, move away from caricatures and cartoons!

The Salamander is not a bad looking model, although his lower face is covered with the breather mask. That might be what's keeping that figure from becoming another cartoon.

What do we mean "lately"? Most of the Marine characters have helmetless models. It's less common for them to have helmets unless their Chaplains.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
It is the cartoony look of the new helmetless heads. My 3rd ed. Blood Angels have their share of helmetless heads for the character models, but they are not goofy-looking like this Fist character or the Raven Guard.

I blame GW's low contrast paint style they've shifted too. It doesn't really give the models enough depth in the recesses which makes it feel more toyetic.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:
Yeah it's a great model, I'm a big fan.

I'm glad you earned your pay check from GW this week.

What, so people can't like models unless they're paid by GW?

Let people enjoy things.

Wait, GW pays you for liking their models? I am an idiot, I have been doing it for free! I like most of their models, I could have made a fortune!

Well apparently I've been doing 40k wrong for the last couple decades since apparently we can get paid for liking the game.

The shoulder mounted gun is the most interesting part of the model imo

Think we'll see more aggressors with different mounted weapons, remember that hellfury's are still a thing we don't know about

That IF guy makes me yearn for modre Gravis marines. The armour design is cool, but it actually looks better when both hands are not giant fists like on Aggressors. It is such a shame that the stock Gravis Captain has zero options. I was already planning convert one out of Calgar, but now I want to convert one out of Garandon too... But is silly to have two models for same character with exact same gear.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well apparently I've been doing 40k wrong for the last couple decades since apparently we can get paid for liking the game.

Yeah this was just a big PR stunt and I was given a bunch of money for the post itself.

That said I agree it needs a helmet but that's because I refuse to model helmet-less Marines. Calgar for example looked silly until we saw a helmet for him.

His power fist definitely does the Big O Sudden Impact attack. The Pistons are drawn back and released at the point of impact.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well apparently I've been doing 40k wrong for the last couple decades since apparently we can get paid for liking the game.

Yeah this was just a big PR stunt and I was given a bunch of money for the post itself.

That said I agree it needs a helmet but that's because I refuse to model helmet-less Marines. Calgar for example looked silly until we saw a helmet for him.

It's entirely possible the models may come with helmets, but failing that the upgrade sprues have at least one helmet.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well apparently I've been doing 40k wrong for the last couple decades since apparently we can get paid for liking the game.

Yeah this was just a big PR stunt and I was given a bunch of money for the post itself.

That said I agree it needs a helmet but that's because I refuse to model helmet-less Marines. Calgar for example looked silly until we saw a helmet for him.

It's entirely possible the models may come with helmets, but failing that the upgrade sprues have at least one helmet.

It's why I just make all my HQs myself. I bought quite a few of the Legion Upgrade helmets from FW, so I'm not lacking in variety. I know at least for the Shrike stand-in, I just need to add a Pistol to the base I don't forget he has a range option now. It isn't anything great (just winged Jump Pack and a Scythe + the Iron Warriors upgrade helmet Skull looking one), but he's fun to look at.

 Crimson wrote:
Wait, GW pays you for liking their models? I am an idiot, I have been doing it for free! I like most of their models, I could have made a fortune!

Wait... do you it for free? I have to paid money to be able to like their models!

I've also been missing out on all this free cash for having a positive opinion.

By now, I might have been able to buy some Easy Build Intercessors!

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I've also been missing out on all this free cash for having a positive opinion.

By now, I might have been able to buy some Easy Build Intercessors!

Nah. Maybe some of the old push fit paint kit Marines if you got them on clearance...

 fraser1191 wrote:
The shoulder mounted gun is the most interesting part of the model imo

Think we'll see more aggressors with different mounted weapons, remember that hellfury's are still a thing we don't know about

I feel like it would be better if they dropped the Fierros Signum Array(leaving it to left arm and google-glass monocle), instead moving the gravgun to the center like the fragstorm launchers on aggressors.

Alternatively the gravgun on the left arm and signum array centrally mounted.

There may be a small mounting bracket on the far left that the gun is resting on; it just isn't well picked out.

 Stux wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Assuming that's giant-sized Lysander, it seems a shame he's ditched his traditional weaponry.

It's not Lysander. The datasheet is leaked.

'That makes sense - in Sentinels of Terra, Tor Garadon was one of Lysander's sergeants who ultimately got promoted to captain.

I gotta say, not a huge fan. He's better than Shrike by a lot though I'll give him that, and it doesn't look like he's wearing platform shoes which is nice.

 Galef wrote:

Another Over-the-Top model I've always like is the GK DreadKnight. It gets a lot of flakk for looking like a baby carrier, but the reasoning for it is suitably OTT. GKs are already anti-Daemon specialists and most of their characters can go 1v1 against Greater Daemons, but we also need an augment suit to put them at the same height and OP scale as a GD (fluff-wise anyway)

No, you don't need a suit to make you the same size as the thing you are fighting.
The entire point of GK was an order of knights standing against vast cosmic horrors and fighting them on foot, hand to hand.


The DK pisses on that rich seam of 'landsknecht V dragon/David V Goliath' imagery from 12 feet off the ground.

 Crimson wrote:
That IF guy makes me yearn for modre Gravis marines. The armour design is cool, but it actually looks better when both hands are not giant fists like on Aggressors. It is such a shame that the stock Gravis Captain has zero options. I was already planning convert one out of Calgar, but now I want to convert one out of Garandon too... But is silly to have two models for same character with exact same gear.

The assymetry makes him look more like a Terminator, which is a suit of armour, not an Imperial battlesuit. If you moved the grav gun down into his hand, he'd look like a soldier and not a pilot. So far we've seen a gravis techmarine/ironfather with an oddly mounted heavybolter- assymetrically backpack mounted like this guy's grav. I'd wager that down the line we will see expanded options for Primaris characters, with hardpoints and such for the Gravis suits.

 fraser1191 wrote:
The shoulder mounted gun is the most interesting part of the model imo

Think we'll see more aggressors with different mounted weapons, remember that hellfury's are still a thing we don't know about

I would want any Primaris Terminator replacement to be a version of this guy's Gravis armour in looks, a power fist, a Cawl pattern storm bolter, and any of a selection of back mounted weapons customizable for every member in the squad. Plus a helm that directly evokes Indomitus Terminators.

And just flipping call them Terminators. Primaris Terminators if one must.

 =Angel= wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Another Over-the-Top model I've always like is the GK DreadKnight. It gets a lot of flakk for looking like a baby carrier, but the reasoning for it is suitably OTT. GKs are already anti-Daemon specialists and most of their characters can go 1v1 against Greater Daemons, but we also need an augment suit to put them at the same height and OP scale as a GD (fluff-wise anyway)

No, you don't need a suit to make you the same size as the thing you are fighting.
The entire point of GK was an order of knights standing against vast cosmic horrors and fighting them on foot, hand to hand.

Spoiler:

The DK pisses on that rich seam of 'landsknecht V dragon/David V Goliath' imagery from 12 feet off the ground.

not too dereail the convo too much but Gandolf vs the Balrog wasn't exactly a situation of a mere mortal david vs a powerful goliath. they where both of the Order of Maia.

Karol wrote:
But what is wrong about the guys face, it is a regular dudes face, aside of the hair colour, I could find thousands of dudes having a face like that in my area. He has the classic miner/lumbermill/steelworker face.

Where do you live, Chernobyl?

BrianDavion wrote:

 =Angel= wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Another Over-the-Top model I've always like is the GK DreadKnight. It gets a lot of flakk for looking like a baby carrier, but the reasoning for it is suitably OTT. GKs are already anti-Daemon specialists and most of their characters can go 1v1 against Greater Daemons, but we also need an augment suit to put them at the same height and OP scale as a GD (fluff-wise anyway)

No, you don't need a suit to make you the same size as the thing you are fighting.
The entire point of GK was an order of knights standing against vast cosmic horrors and fighting them on foot, hand to hand.

Spoiler:

The DK pisses on that rich seam of 'landsknecht V dragon/David V Goliath' imagery from 12 feet off the ground.

not too dereail the convo too much but Gandolf vs the Balrog wasn't exactly a situation of a mere mortal david vs a powerful goliath. they where both of the Order of Maia.

Regardless of both Gandalf and the Balrog being Maiar, the imagery invoked is blatantly David vs. Goliath, just like Sam vs. Shelob or Eowyn (and Merry) vs. the Witch-King. True, the power difference between Gandalf and the Balrog wasn't anywhere near what it looked like, but when we're discussing imagery looks are everything.

I would have preferred this model.

Karol wrote:
But what is wrong about the guys face, it is a regular dudes face, aside of the hair colour, I could find thousands of dudes having a face like that in my area. He has the classic miner/lumbermill/steelworker face.

Yeah, I kind of like it, and I can totally see the Fists having a steelworker tough jock look.

Not as much as I like Shrike's head, but the Imperial Fists don't have a stereotype and theme that features a funny haircut as it's most prominent expression, so it doesn't scream "IMPERIAL FISTS" the way Shrike's emo haircut says "RAVEN GUARD!"



As for favorite over-the-top weapons on a model, probably the multiple missile launcher on the Exorcist. It's a pipe organ that shoots missiles, and is a hilarious reference to the nicknames of old rocket launchers and their reputation for making noise.

For recent models, it's absolutely the Eliminators' Bolt Sniper Rifle.

 Tamwulf wrote:
I would have preferred this model.

I wont like

i like that pose with the double piston fisters alot.

 bullyboy wrote:

Karol wrote:
But what is wrong about the guys face, it is a regular dudes face, aside of the hair colour, I could find thousands of dudes having a face like that in my area. He has the classic miner/lumbermill/steelworker face.

Where do you live, Chernobyl?

No. My flag clearly shows that I could not live in Chernobyl, that city is in Ukrain.

As wester people looking like that, I saw avatar movie no so long ago, there was a officer there with a face like that. Arnold has a face like that too. Ton of people with faces like that. Dolph Lundgren is another western guy.

I would have preferred this model

I would unironicaly do too. non symetric stuff boders me like almost no thing in the world most of the time. I think they didn't go the two fists two guns root, because it would make him too much like calgar, and that would bring the risk people wouldn't buy the new model.

Not a fan of the grav gun/wrist display combo.

First, I think it's weird that all these guns just mount on a regular backpack. I liked the specialized backpacks for Devastators, but these seem like you just bolt a pintle mount on the backpack and go.

Second, how the hell does he interface with the display on his left forearm? It has buttons on the face AND the lid. Does he poke the buttons with his power fist fingers?

Finally, he has no weapon in that hand. Couldn't he just carry the damn grav gun in that hand? Primaris can one-hand all these huge guns, so why not just carry that one? What the hell is he doing with his left hand? Picking his nose?

Da Butcha wrote:
Not a fan of the grav gun/wrist display combo.

First, I think it's weird that all these guns just mount on a regular backpack. I liked the specialized backpacks for Devastators, but these seem like you just bolt a pintle mount on the backpack and go.

Second, how the hell does he interface with the display on his left forearm? It has buttons on the face AND the lid. Does he poke the buttons with his power fist fingers?

Finally, he has no weapon in that hand. Couldn't he just carry the damn grav gun in that hand? Primaris can one-hand all these huge guns, so why not just carry that one? What the hell is he doing with his left hand? Picking his nose?

There is a powerfist that has an opening for the hand in the palm, so maybe his does as well?

You'd be shocked to learn at how nimble the finger of a Power Fist are in the hands of a Astartes

 alextroy wrote:
You'd be shocked to learn at how nimble the finger of a Power Fist are in the hands of a Astartes

Delicate enough to hold an egg without breaking it I'm sure. Doesn't help you push tiny buttons though, unless he's hidden a stylus somewhere.

Karol's right that the face is hardly super odd looking, the mini is clearly somewhat stylized (as all 40k minis are) but it's clear that the character simply has a square jaw. IIRC a square jaw is associated BTW with testestrone and maniliness.

Dorn also has a bit of a square jaw, and if anything you could argue that he's got a face like a wall, cornwra and all.

You know, I'd love to have a positive opinion on every GW model, if every GW model was great.

Alas, life isn't ever going to give me only things to cheer, the IF guy looks over fat, with a cock knocker huge super fist and a dumb looking bad toy soldier face.

The salamanders guy looks pretty nice though, all things considered.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
You know, I'd love to have a positive opinion on every GW model, if every GW model was great.

Alas, life isn't ever going to give me only things to cheer, the IF guy looks over fat, with a cock knocker huge super fist and a dumb looking bad toy soldier face.

The salamanders guy looks pretty nice though, all things considered.

Lemondish wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
The shoulder mounted gun is the most interesting part of the model imo

Think we'll see more aggressors with different mounted weapons, remember that hellfury's are still a thing we don't know about

I would want any Primaris Terminator replacement to be a version of this guy's Gravis armour in looks, a power fist, a Cawl pattern storm bolter, and any of a selection of back mounted weapons customizable for every member in the squad. Plus a helm that directly evokes Indomitus Terminators.

And just flipping call them Terminators. Primaris Terminators if one must.

I don't think we'll ever see Primaris terminators. If we do they'll be aggressors with an invuln. Kinda like calgar. But who knows, calgar had a model in normal armour and one in terminator armour. Maybe hell get another in PT armour

That being said if I have to make a prediction I'd say aggressors with a Strom shield and a boltstorm gauntlet with a top mounted weapon

AngryAngel80 wrote:
You know, I'd love to have a positive opinion on every GW model, if every GW model was great.

Alas, life isn't ever going to give me only things to cheer, the IF guy looks over fat, with a cock knocker huge super fist and a dumb looking bad toy soldier face.

The salamanders guy looks pretty nice though, all things considered.

Gravirs armour makes the models a good deal chunkier than standard power armour.

That said, I dig his look partly because it reminds me of Saturine Terminator armour.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So it looks like he has single barreled bolters on his wrists, maybe meltas? Flamers?

Nope, no weapons in his fist. They are probably a secondary punch that occurs after the initial punch, hence the x3 strength of the weapon.

No, look at his NON-power fist. He has a gun on it. Seconded by the belt of ammo going to the fist. It's the same with the other fist. He's got powerfisted guns, ala Bobby and Vulcan.

No that's some sort of sensor/control panel like you see on the Intercessors Sergeant and such.

Hes better than boring tigurius, but still the second worse new rubicon crosser

Maybe he has Yang’s shotgun assisted punch? He is yellow, after all...