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Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/11 19:30:47


Post by: phillv85


Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.

I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.

I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?

I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/11 19:36:13


Post by: Lance845


I paint when i feel like painting and i dont when i dont.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/11 19:39:03


Post by: timetowaste85


I love to paint! I also love to sleep, spend time with my wife, eat, [need to] work, spend time with friends and family, and sometimes play video games. Painting gets its time...but I’m pretty specific with my painting and don’t rush. So I don’t get done as much as I want.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/11 19:44:39


Post by: Arcanis161


Time mostly. I work a regular 8-5 job and live close to family, so there's typically something going on every weekend/every other weekend.

I'm fairly close to being able to field a fully painted Guard army. With my goal this year of 3 infantry models (or 1 tank) per week (and two models painted per one model bought), I should be able to get to a fully painted army fairly soon.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/11 21:48:01


Post by: The Newman


I paint pretty much every day, but there's always the feeling that there's something I'm putting off. Maybe I think it's going to be mechanically difficult like Attack Bikes or a magnetized Predator, maybe I think it's going to be a slog like a Repulsor or Land Raider, maybe it's just something I don't think I'll use a lot like Reivers or Terminators, but there's always something.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/11 22:03:25


Post by: Inquisitor Lord Katherine


phillv85 wrote:
Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.

I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.

I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?

I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.


Well, I paint most of my models, but there's always unpainted ones because it takes time and there are a lot of them and I buy new ones before I finish painting the old ones.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/11 22:05:26


Post by: Karol


1 Paints cost too much.
2 I have no place to paint.
3 I don't think painting would be fun for me.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/11 22:24:51


Post by: BrianDavion


Karol wrote:
1 Paints cost too much.
2 I have no place to paint.
3 I don't think painting would be fun for me.

'
regarding number 3 Karol, I used to think much the same until I forced myself to do it, I paint in small amounts, tossing a bit on then going off to do something, and have found it can be pretty zen, and there is NOTHING more sastifying then completeing a new model and realizing it's one of the nicest looking models you have done to date.

paint costs well.. that's relative, suffice to say GW paints cost a lot but other brands are a bit cheaper. as for a place to paint, you might be suprised, if thats ever all thats in your way talk to your parents.

as for me personally, I paint as much as I can but well.. I've a lot of models, sometimes I've had to show up with the odd mini still unpainted.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 00:49:45


Post by: Insectum7


Because I didn't prioritize them and they fell further back in the queue.

I basically only play with painted models unless I'm trying a goofy build, but thats like maybe once a year.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 01:34:41


Post by: Karol


BrianDavion 784321 10684239 wrote:
paint costs well.. that's relative, suffice to say GW paints cost a lot but other brands are a bit cheaper. as for a place to paint, you might be suprised, if thats ever all thats in your way talk to your parents.

as for me personally, I paint as much as I can but well.. I've a lot of models, sometimes I've had to show up with the odd mini still unpainted.


Maybe, never tried it so it is hard to be 100% certain. I know I never liked art at school. I know the space stuff is a no go. I live on 45 square meters with 2 other kids, my mom and my step dad. And I am not going to paint at 3 in the night in the kitchen, I like sleeping too much.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 02:05:35


Post by: timetowaste85


You don’t paint because you don’t think you’d like it and never tried it...you know, my mom once told me to never try brussel sprouts because I’d hate them. They’re now my favorite vegetable and I could eat them every night.

You know how it relates? You never know if you’ll enjoy something unless you try it. Art class in school FORCES you to finish something for a grade. Painting these models are at YOUR pace, and you’re your own teacher.

Paint with friends at another place if you don’t have space, paint at your store, talk, hang out and chill while you paint. Some of the best painting sessions I ever had involved South Park, paint, and Pepsi with friends.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 02:16:05


Post by: Lance845


I was under the impression that this was not a "convince people who dont paint that they should" thread and instead just posting reasons why people dont.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 02:47:59


Post by: fraser1191


Generally either burn out or lack of interest either in the model or 40k. I haven't been able to get a game in in over a month. So all I've managed to paint are the legs for an invictor and an eliminator. So I still have the entire upper body to paint and 2 other elimators but no ambition


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 06:01:10


Post by: Stormonu


Too many projects, too little time. I have to split my paint time with RPG's, video games (mostly to interact with my son), story writing, reading fiction (or streaming a new series) and (learning) programming. Then I end up with most of my time on forums or youtube :(.

Also, I can paint okay, but not like a lot of the top end painters here. It's intimidating at times and can bum me out from attempting to paint.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 06:04:36


Post by: BrianDavion


 Stormonu wrote:
Too many projects, too little time. I have to split my paint time with RPG's, video games (mostly to interact with my son), story writing, reading fiction (or streaming a new series) and (learning) programming. Then I end up with most of my time on forums or youtube :(.

Also, I can paint okay, but not like a lot of the top end painters here. It's intimidating at times and can bum me out from attempting to paint.


I was just looking in your gallery, lot's of nice stuff man, I'm impressed. I think you sell yourself short


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 06:25:41


Post by: Mmmpi


Like Lance said, I paint when I want, what I want.

But time is also an issue. I paint slowly, so when I do have both the time and the inclination to add to my painted models, it takes me longer to do it.

I also enjoy the game part of the hobby, so that means using unpainted models for all but a few very specific lists.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 06:38:44


Post by: Excommunicatus


I do, but slowly. Soooo slowly.

23 minis last year. Watch me go.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 06:49:40


Post by: DeathKorp_Rider


Because I don’t have the time and in general I’m not happy doing it. The other aspects of model building and playing the game are what I care about.

I haven’t run into anyone who said they didn’t want to play with me because I play it grey, but if they did I’d disregard them and find someone less high-brow.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 07:07:20


Post by: Excommunicatus


Why's that high-brow?

That's just being a sniffy prick. Nothing high-brow about it. In fact, I'd argue it's decidedly boorish behaviour.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 07:13:56


Post by: Adeptus Doritos


I paint "armies" slowly. But they'll at least have primer and some basic stuff done on them by the time they hit the table.

For a skirmish game like Kill Team and Necromunda, it's weird. I'm much more into the building and painting process for them because each of them is an 'bigger part' of a small group and their details and presentation seem much more important to me. I've usually got my gang/Kill-team/warband painted before they hit the table.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 07:30:35


Post by: NoiseMarine with Tinnitus


 Excommunicatus wrote:
I do, but slowly. Soooo slowly.

23 minis last year. Watch me go.


23 more than I got done!

I am not painting at the moment as I am still patiently waiting for new Berserker and Noisemarine models.

I do have an Alpha Legion / Night Lords project in mind but need to teach myself / get familiar with oil paints and an airbrush. No haste.

Also I work long hours.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 07:32:18


Post by: Adeptus Doritos


 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I do have an Alpha Legion / Night Lords project in mind but need to teach myself / get familiar with oil paints and an airbrush. No haste.


Protip:

Go find a bunch of junk/trash/broken models and practice both of these a lot. Because trust me, 'learning with your army' is a good way to end up stripping or repurchasing about half of your army.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 07:32:58


Post by: ScarletRose


Mostly it's because I have so many projects I get distracted - I'll paint a few chaos marines, then once I have my paint scheme down I'll become more interested in something else, say SW Legion, or some Reaper miniatures.

So I'm left with a bunch of partly painted stuff. I just need to buckle down and get some projects done this year.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 07:37:17


Post by: Dakka Wolf


Until tournament time when they're fully painted they're usually undergoing some degree of kit bashing, especially with the new Primaris models, they're just too tidy.
My paintwork is pretty average at best so if they don't look interesting before the paint goes down they won't look interesting when it's done.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 08:12:11


Post by: BrianDavion


One problem I have is my painting room is the basement workshop without any heat so when the weather gets cold painting can sometimes be less then comfortable so I often end up having a slow down if not stoppage of work in the december - feubary period.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 08:47:15


Post by: NoiseMarine with Tinnitus


 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I do have an Alpha Legion / Night Lords project in mind but need to teach myself / get familiar with oil paints and an airbrush. No haste.


Protip:

Go find a bunch of junk/trash/broken models and practice both of these a lot. Because trust me, 'learning with your army' is a good way to end up stripping or repurchasing about half of your army.


Preaching to the converted there!

Already got the schemes worked out but not used to oil paints and zenithal highlighting. Should be fun or a complete PITA.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 08:49:51


Post by: Adeptus Doritos


 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:

Preaching to the converted there!

Already got the schemes worked out but not used to oil paints and zenithal highlighting. Should be fun or a complete PITA.


I experimented with oil paints on some of the most absurd things I could find. Toy cars and tanks, army men, etc.

Airbrushing is a bit of a pain- I can only do a few little tricks here and there. Basically, my airbrush is an overpriced priming and basing kit that I sometimes use to make mediocre (at best) OSL.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 08:57:12


Post by: Excommunicatus


 ScarletRose wrote:
Mostly it's because I have so many projects I get distracted - I'll paint a few chaos marines, then once I have my paint scheme down I'll become more interested in something else, say SW Legion, or some Reaper miniatures.

So I'm left with a bunch of partly painted stuff. I just need to buckle down and get some projects done this year.


Soup has been good to me in this regard. Being able to switch between Daemons, R&H and CSM in one project has definitely helped reduce the feeling of burnout.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 09:20:04


Post by: BrianDavion


 Excommunicatus wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:
Mostly it's because I have so many projects I get distracted - I'll paint a few chaos marines, then once I have my paint scheme down I'll become more interested in something else, say SW Legion, or some Reaper miniatures.

So I'm left with a bunch of partly painted stuff. I just need to buckle down and get some projects done this year.


Soup has been good to me in this regard. Being able to switch between Daemons, R&H and CSM in one project has definitely helped reduce the feeling of burnout.


agreed. differant armies have differant techniques approuches etc required for them


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 11:44:25


Post by: pm713


Free time is limited and sometimes I'd rather do something that takes less effort.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 11:44:52


Post by: Ratius


Most of mine are fully painted. Have a few here or there that need to be finished off but its a very small %.
My painting is very stop start stop start.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 11:55:24


Post by: Karol


 timetowaste85 wrote:
You don’t paint because you don’t think you’d like it and never tried it...you know, my mom once told me to never try brussel sprouts because I’d hate them. They’re now my favorite vegetable and I could eat them every night.

You know how it relates? You never know if you’ll enjoy something unless you try it. Art class in school FORCES you to finish something for a grade. Painting these models are at YOUR pace, and you’re your own teacher.

Paint with friends at another place if you don’t have space, paint at your store, talk, hang out and chill while you paint. Some of the best painting sessions I ever had involved South Park, paint, and Pepsi with friends.


I don't have any friends, so that is out of the window. But again, that is why I am saying I think I would not like it, not that am 100% sure I wouldn't. The rest of the stuff just makes sure that the chance of me trying to paint has more or less zero chance to happen. I mean, the army I have right now isn't very fun to play with in the first place. I don't have the money to buy a new one. I am not going to buy models for an army that is not fun to play with, only to spend more money to check if maybe I like to paint, if I find a space to do it. There is like 4 ifs on the way, and two or three money spendings, and on each level I may get the result of don't like it. Again am saying this is my own personal view on this. I see no reason why someone else couldn't like painting more then anything else in w40k.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 13:21:01


Post by: Aelyn


Two main reasons:

1) I have a lot of different draws on my free time. Between theatre, TTRPGs, volunteering, and work, I have about one evening and one weekend day for my housework, shopping etc, let alone painting, TV, gaming, reading...

2) When I'm in the mood, I really enjoy painting, but when I'm not it's a chore. As a result, I tend to only paint when I'm in the right mood, which might only be one evening in a month, but then another month it may be my main focus at home for a couple of weeks.

I do enjoy painting a lot, and I do like seeing my army build over time - as long as it's at my pace and I'm not being unduly pressured, which sucks the fun right out of it.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 13:27:25


Post by: tauist


When I got back to this hobby after another 10+ years of inactivity, I find I'm getting more and more critical of my painting and modelling work. So I take much much more time working my minis now. I dont want to rush anything unless its a monopose starter mini or "easy to build" one or whtever. I "ruined" so many miniatures when I was younger by piss-poor techniques that I swore to myself a long time ago I wouldn't do it anymore, especially considering how expensive minis have become..

So this means that even the modelling part of making a mini takes a long time for me. Still not resulting in 100% perfect results with regards to things like mold line removal, or using greenstuff to fill out the glued joints / perfecting the pose, perfectly drilled gun barrels and that sort of thing. To me its very much an excercise in "back to basics", as the older I get, the more I realize that the key to a perfect looking miniature is in mastering all the humble small things, such as prep work and pulling off superthin paint coats all the time with every colour. Still learning how to perfect the basics!

Then the whole matter of painting! Working out the best paints to use and the best techniques to use for achieving the look I am after. Still figuring out important basics like effective masking techniques for airbrush basecoating (Even though I am new to airbrushing, I already know I would prefer never to paint difficult colours by hand ever again if possible!) and am in the middle of the process of swapping out all of my paints into dropper bottles..

TLDR - I do paint but dunno if I'll ever finish LOL


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 14:03:18


Post by: UncleJetMints


I don’t need to pain them to play the game and every time I do paint a model I am jus miserable the whole time, so no reason to do something that you hate that has no benefi.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 14:42:09


Post by: Emicrania


I m an addict an I buy more stuff than I can possibly paint.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 14:42:31


Post by: Kanluwen


Because I have big ideas and am picky about the execution of said ideas.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 16:05:06


Post by: Sim-Life


I do. But thats because I've almost stopped buying new stuff completely and have to find some other way to keep the hobby active when not playing


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 17:56:34


Post by: Maréchal des Logis Walter


I have many unpainted models for two reasons: first is, I have so many thinks i enjoy doing, that the painting often simply doesn't fit: it is time consuming and I often proiritise other stuff.
Second is: when i look at what gorgeous pieces poeple around my place or around the web showcase, i simply feel like it"s worht little to devote time to it, knowing that my shoody ability at it will be... hum... made clear.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 18:09:20


Post by: greatbigtree


I don’t enjoy the act of painting.

I like having minis that I’ve painted myself. My skills are what I consider decent. I take pride in what I accomplish.

But I don’t enjoy the *act* of painting. I devote effort to learning the fastest and easiest ways to accomplish decent looking, competent paint jobs.

It’s a labour, to produce a desired end. If I don’t have the drive to produce that labour, or that labour doesn’t feel like I’m getting my effort’s worth then I will wait until that drive arrives, rather than force it. (I love Orks, but will never paint another after I finish my Kill Team. )


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 20:15:07


Post by: Charistoph


pm713 wrote:
Free time is limited and sometimes I'd rather do something that takes less effort.

Pretty much me. Painting requires setup: unpacking models, unpacking paints I need, unpacking brushes, putting plastic on table, unpacking and prepping wet pallet, prepping water cup, and setting up lamp. This assumes that no one bugs me while I'm doing it, too. And good heavens what happens if I don't have the paint or if it had dried out since I last painted.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 20:46:45


Post by: nareik


I have pretty spazzy hands so on the rare occasion that i don’t have someone else demanding my time, nothing else to do and decent light conditions I give it a shot but it is a slow and frustrating process.

After decades of practice I’m at the level where I can get groups of models done in a reasonable amount of time. I'm not even jealous of the top end display piece painters. They’re pretty inspiring.

People who can quickly and neatly block in base colour schemes and get armies done to a nice basic standard are the source of my envy.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 20:48:22


Post by: ERJAK


It takes too long and I'm bad at it.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 20:52:00


Post by: Adeptus Doritos


Protip:

One way I've found to paint up an army is to find someone doing the same thing.

So, you say: "Hey, dude- let's do all of these. I'll do the black on all my guys and your guys, while you do all the silver" or something. Basically, that.

One thing that gets most people, and I used to be one of them- when I'd paint I'd always try to be super-neat. Now, when I go through I just get coverage on all the parts and touch up the overlap later. As long as you've gone with thin coats, it's easy to do.

After that, all you need to worry about is the shading and highlighting.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 20:55:12


Post by: Karol


That seems to be a very good advice.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/12 21:02:27


Post by: DeathKorp_Rider


 UncleJetMints wrote:
I don’t need to pain them to play the game and every time I do paint a model I am jus miserable the whole time, so no reason to do something that you hate that has no benefi.

My feelings exactly


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/13 01:20:53


Post by: Eldarain


I always want to paint my forces but I find the biggest impediment is GWs rules. Half the time the units I'd like to be painting are on the shitheap of GW favour.

Sometimes entire factions I play are. Word Bearers, Orks, Nids, Deathwatch.

Taking a step away from the games and just enjoying the hobby side again has been really good for me.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/13 02:40:02


Post by: Ginjitzu


 greatbigtree wrote:
I don’t enjoy the act of painting.

I like having minis that I’ve painted myself. My skills are what I consider decent. I take pride in what I accomplish.

But I don’t enjoy the *act* of painting. I devote effort to learning the fastest and easiest ways to accomplish decent looking, competent paint jobs.

It’s a labour, to produce a desired end. If I don’t have the drive to produce that labour, or that labour doesn’t feel like I’m getting my effort’s worth then I will wait until that drive arrives, rather than force it.
This summarizes my precise feelings exactly!


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/13 05:23:13


Post by: JNAProductions


I don't enjoy it. As a hobby, it's meant to be fun, and that's not fun for me.

Also, I'm bad at it.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/13 05:31:16


Post by: Argive


Time and somewhat work space limitation certainly has prevented me painting more regularly.

Modelling and build is my zen space. Painting is second to that and seeing incremental improvement and trying out new stuff is really rewarding despite being garbage compared to some of the artwork out there. However I also know the artwork is countless hours of work on a single piece.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/13 05:35:04


Post by: Bdrone


Lack of interest, no effective workspace and a want to not mess up models while my ideal scheme for an army is not there yet.

didn't help my first models were metals i REALLY didn't want to mess up. im over that now, but so is most of my interest to even field anything for the time being.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/13 05:48:16


Post by: ccs


For any unpainted mini in my collection - because the stars have not aligned properly yet concerning that one.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/13 06:14:37


Post by: Shooter


 JNAProductions wrote:
I don't enjoy it. As a hobby, it's meant to be fun, and that's not fun for me.


Yeah, pretty much this. I do a bit, because I do think the time spent doing it is worth it in order to have painted models on the table, But there are lots of stuff that are worth spending the time doing for the results, that don't make it enjoyable though

Contrasts have helped a lot with some blood bowl stuff. one coat only on each area is nice. but i've now got 3 weeks to get 500pts of primaris done and i'm not looking forward to it


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/13 06:19:15


Post by: BrianDavion


Shooter wrote:
 JNAProductions wrote:
I don't enjoy it. As a hobby, it's meant to be fun, and that's not fun for me.


Yeah, pretty much this. I do a bit, because I do think the time spent doing it is worth it in order to have painted models on the table, But there are lots of stuff that are worth spending the time doing for the results, that don't make it enjoyable though

Contrasts have helped a lot with some blood bowl stuff. one coat only on each area is nice. but i've now got 3 weeks to get 500pts of primaris done and i'm not looking forward to it


And Primaris are a touch too big for contrast :(


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/13 08:42:39


Post by: Not Online!!!


BrianDavion wrote:
Shooter wrote:
 JNAProductions wrote:
I don't enjoy it. As a hobby, it's meant to be fun, and that's not fun for me.


Yeah, pretty much this. I do a bit, because I do think the time spent doing it is worth it in order to have painted models on the table, But there are lots of stuff that are worth spending the time doing for the results, that don't make it enjoyable though

Contrasts have helped a lot with some blood bowl stuff. one coat only on each area is nice. but i've now got 3 weeks to get 500pts of primaris done and i'm not looking forward to it


And Primaris are a touch too big for contrast :(


Was for the longest time the same way.

I also attempted the both suggested ways of stopping the pile of grey:

the project and the happy go lucky attitude.
I also recomend of severly simplyifying schemes, that allows for faster results which then turn into better motivation. (atleast for my R&H army that was the way to go forward. which ended in a 50 model / weekend challange i gave myself, and have done it )
Summa sumarum, do it in a way that is bound to give you joy.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/13 16:15:28


Post by: necrontyrOG


I love playing this game. I love building models and setting up armies. I absolutely LOATHE painting them. It takes forever, I'm not good, and I have other things I like to do. However, when it comes times for a tournament or I want to finish a squadron or something, I'll make time to paint. I've been playing for over 20 years, and have never had a completely painted army.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/14 00:45:25


Post by: Jidmah


3) The times where I could spend an entire weekend painting have gone, I have a wife and a daughter now.
2) Painting has an overhead, where I need to get the paints, the models, some cover for the table, water, light and so on. By the time I'm ready to paint, my spare time might already be over and I need to pack up everything. I don't start painting unless I'm reasonably sure to have at least one hour available.
1) I hate painting in general. I'm told I'm not too bad at it, I can get models to look the way I want and I have gotten quite fast, but it's simply no fun. In addition, painting the same models over and over again is boring. I'd rather build 60 ork boyz than paint 5.

In general, I prefer any part of the hobby over painting, including posting on dakka. Sadly, the only way to get painted models is to paint them, so I do it. It's on a similar level of motivation as taking out the trash so we don't choke on it eventually.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/14 02:57:45


Post by: Octopoid


I paint some, when I can, but usually I don't like how the end result comes out. That makes me loathe to paint again, so my skills start to atrophy. It's a while before I try again, and because I waited so long, I usually don't like the end result again. Rinse and repeat.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/16 15:14:37


Post by: Strg Alt


Karol wrote:
1 Paints cost too much.
2 I have no place to paint.
3 I don't think painting would be fun for me.


No place to paint? So you don't own a table and a chair? Geez man, you have more serious problems than unpainted stuff.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/16 15:20:37


Post by: Galef


I enjoy painting most of the time, though there are some times I have a lack of inspiration making painting a chore.
Most importantly, painting is a huge part of this hobby, so I feel like doing so gets the most value out of my dollar.

And hopefully as of this weekend, I'll be completely caught up on painting (i.e. not a single model in my collection will be unfinished) for the first time in YEARS. I only have a Wraithlord left to paint and all his magnetized bitz-n-bobs are already done.

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Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/16 18:23:51


Post by: Insectum7


Painting my Space Marines in their white paint scheme is a chore and a half.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/16 19:43:29


Post by: Pandabeer


I generally simply do not have the time nor patience for it. I'm a slow painter (partially due to a lack of experience) and when I paint I want to do it well, so I can easily spend upwards of 3 hours on a single MEQ model. The only Dreadnaught I ever painted took me more than 15 hours and even though I'm very happy about how it turned out I'm not looking forward to doing that again. I shudder to think about painting Mortarion, that'll probably take me 40+ hours...


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/16 20:15:28


Post by: G00fySmiley


I try and paint everythign. I used to paint and build models as I got them... 3 kids and a real job later I have some unpainted and in progress models simply because i lack time


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/16 21:07:12


Post by: nareik


 Strg Alt wrote:
Karol wrote:
1 Paints cost too much.
2 I have no place to paint.
3 I don't think painting would be fun for me.


No place to paint? So you don't own a table and a chair? Geez man, you have more serious problems than unpainted stuff.
To really enjoy painting it helps to have proper lighting too. I normally load some models and paints on a tray to expedite packing/unpacking.

Today i went to warhammer world to work on my painboy and read some more Black Legion over a coffee. The painting booths there are pretty nice. Adjustable lamp is good.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/16 21:32:26


Post by: Desubot


I tend to paint in big project loads as i like to keep things consistent. but often times i will burnout on steps because of all the block painting.

stuck on about 66% done on my necromunda terrain from dark uprising that i started on release.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/16 21:41:01


Post by: Jackal90


nareik wrote:
 Strg Alt wrote:
Karol wrote:
1 Paints cost too much.
2 I have no place to paint.
3 I don't think painting would be fun for me.


No place to paint? So you don't own a table and a chair? Geez man, you have more serious problems than unpainted stuff.
To really enjoy painting it helps to have proper lighting too. I normally load some models and paints on a tray to expedite packing/unpacking.

Today i went to warhammer world to work on my painboy and read some more Black Legion over a coffee. The painting booths there are pretty nice. Adjustable lamp is good.



Please do t think this is a dig as it isn’t, but you can literally buy a decent lamp for painting for the same cost as an average box of GW models.
I’ve literally got a 3 daylight bulb lamp I use from amazon for £25.
I’ve had this thing for a couple of years now and it still works perfectly.



Edit: as a side note I’m seeing tons of people saying they don’t paint because they are bad at it.
Like anything in life it takes practice, no one starts out as an amazing painter.
If you don’t paint you will never improve, it’s kind of a defeatist attitude.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/16 22:05:39


Post by: nareik


I found it helped to break down the process of painting into stages that were realistic goals, informed by identifying previous failures.

Being able to look at your work and say “this is bad” is a great first step: identify what went wrong and work out what you could do differently next time.

For learning to prime my first mistake i noticed was i only sprayed the model from above, so there was a lot of unprimed places on the downward facing areas of the models.

Next time i made sure to spray from more angles. Unfortunately this clogged up details.

The time after this i was careful not to overspray but i ended up learning not to spray from too far or the paint might become dusty.

Another lesson I learnt was i struggles to get paint into the deepest areas without messing up the adjacent surfaces. This left spots of white where i wasn’t able to get paint in the deepest recesses. This meant i switched to black.

With black undercoat i was unable to see details so clearly to paint, but then i remembered by earliest mistake with the white spray where i was only hitting the most raised surfaces and realised i could use that as a technique over the black spray to pick out details and help me see what i was painting. It also had the pleasing effect of creating a shadow/highlight gradient of any colour i layered over it.

So as you can see being able to look at a ‘bad’ job you did and working out what went wrong and what you could try instead is a really useful tool to improvement.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/16 22:36:50


Post by: pancakeonions


 timetowaste85 wrote:
I love to paint! I also love to sleep, spend time with my wife, eat, [need to] work, spend time with friends and family, and sometimes play video games. Painting gets its time...but I’m pretty specific with my painting and don’t rush. So I don’t get done as much as I want.


I love that Mr TimeToWaste's post is a very detailed run down of how he allocates his time. I'm not so sure you have that much time to waste, Mr TimeToWaste. Get back to work!


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/16 22:59:52


Post by: Argive


Jackal90 wrote:
nareik wrote:
 Strg Alt wrote:
Karol wrote:
1 Paints cost too much.
2 I have no place to paint.
3 I don't think painting would be fun for me.


No place to paint? So you don't own a table and a chair? Geez man, you have more serious problems than unpainted stuff.
To really enjoy painting it helps to have proper lighting too. I normally load some models and paints on a tray to expedite packing/unpacking.

Today i went to warhammer world to work on my painboy and read some more Black Legion over a coffee. The painting booths there are pretty nice. Adjustable lamp is good.



Please do t think this is a dig as it isn’t, but you can literally buy a decent lamp for painting for the same cost as an average box of GW models.
I’ve literally got a 3 daylight bulb lamp I use from amazon for £25.
I’ve had this thing for a couple of years now and it still works perfectly.



Edit: as a side note I’m seeing tons of people saying they don’t paint because they are bad at it.
Like anything in life it takes practice, no one starts out as an amazing painter.
If you don’t paint you will never improve, it’s kind of a defeatist attitude.


Lets not make threads certainly is not about bashing. Some people really just don't have space or money at all..
Karol is a child living in Poland for example. My parents certainly didn't want me paining on kitchen table or give me money for anything when I was a kid.

Certainly, understanding that everybody starts at the bottom, not getting discouraged and persevering will yield improvements. Seems like a no brainer life skill/attitude to me. Everybody fails sometimes so even if I do its not a big deal.. Nobody is perfect.
Its like if I go to the gym for the first time and not walk out looking like henry carvil and decide its not for me...
I'm sure most males would love to have the body of henry carvil but most men dont want to put in the work of henry carvil..

Some people just don't want to take that first step for whatever reason and assume they wont be any good without trying. I don't get it but there it is.
We cant all be henry carvil. All we can do is aspire and encourage.

I think ive developed a man crush on henry carvil… *sigh*..

Im fortunate enough to have somewhat dedicated use my computer desk double up as a paint/build space.
Currently littered with basing materials and minatures being constructed so that's all I do.

Once I'm in painting mode I set my alarm in the evening and try to at least get 1-2 hrs in before work after the gym at least couple times a week to get that muscle memory and repetitiveness.
Will have my wet pallete there and can just jump in straight away. Occasionally Will replace the paper if ts gotten too messy. I cover my models with foil while im away at work, gym, GF etc. and give them a quick burst of canned air to ensure theres no dust on them while Im away and get stuck straight in. Make sure I wash my brushes after each session and give them a good scrub with masters sop every couple days.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/16 23:13:56


Post by: Jackal90


It wasn’t a post to bash people.
Someone said they didn’t have a lamp, yet the models they own cost indefinitely more than a lamp.

That’s like having a house full of food but starving to death.

Money isn’t the key factor for not owning one when someone happily pays more for models.

Yes, it is an extra cost, but you can’t say it’s too expensive then go out and spend that or more on more plastic.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/16 23:20:31


Post by: Argive


Jackal90 wrote:
It wasn’t a post to bash people.
Someone said they didn’t have a lamp, yet the models they own cost indefinitely more than a lamp.

That’s like having a house full of food but starving to death.

Money isn’t the key factor for not owning one when someone happily pays more for models.

Yes, it is an extra cost, but you can’t say it’s too expensive then go out and spend that or more on more plastic.


If you read his posts in other topics you'd know that its not the case...
He doesn't go out out and buy more plastics like me or you lol. He's been using the same army pretty much for years. As I said he's a kid.

Its certainly an outlier situation, not the norm.

But for some people it really is a choice between buy this box of models or buy supplies. Not everyone can have both. I would question this a s choice of hobby in that circumstance, but each their own..
Some people just have that kind of financial paradigm. Unless you have ever lived on £1.50 portion of chips a day I don't expect you to understand


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/17 02:08:10


Post by: Mmmpi


Jackal90 wrote:



Edit: as a side note I’m seeing tons of people saying they don’t paint because they are bad at it.
Like anything in life it takes practice, no one starts out as an amazing painter.
If you don’t paint you will never improve, it’s kind of a defeatist attitude.


I think it's more that they don't want to invest the time into practicing. Not everyone prioritizes time the same way, and many people only have the one army. It's easy to find the time to play a game once in a while, even if you have an active life, but finding the time to learn a whole new skill can be difficult if you're also working, raising a family, keeping fit/sports, ect. Particularly if you're also spending time learning other skills for home/work.

I can easily see a guy who plays his space marines made from a few battalion boxes as a way to keep up with his buddies from school, but out side of their time in the shop 1/week, really doesn't have the ability to prioritize the time away from family/work/other interests. In this example, he plays the game as a social activity, rather than as a big hobby.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/17 03:14:13


Post by: BrianDavion


 Insectum7 wrote:
Painting my Space Marines in their white paint scheme is a chore and a half.


have you tried the apoacathary white contrast paint? not normally a big fan of contrast paints but apocathary white is very much on my list of ".. ok this is REALLY useful"


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/17 04:06:23


Post by: Argive


BrianDavion wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
Painting my Space Marines in their white paint scheme is a chore and a half.


have you tried the apoacathary white contrast paint? not normally a big fan of contrast paints but apocathary white is very much on my list of ".. ok this is REALLY useful"


White contrast over gray seer looks really good IMO. Ive seen some SMs at my local shop painted this way in person and I was quite impressed..
Im going to be doing this for my shadow specters and banshees.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/17 04:36:56


Post by: BrianDavion


Spoiler:




the white armor on my sisters here was done with the white contrast.

normally primaris marines work poorly with contrasts put I did up a primaris apocathary in the contrast and it looked pretty good


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/17 14:44:11


Post by: The_Real_Chris


I don't like painting. My armies tend to be a collection of units I had to paint for a tourney game way back when.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/17 14:57:02


Post by: Jidmah


BrianDavion wrote:
the white armor on my sisters here was done with the white contrast.

Can you tell me which foundation and which paint exactly? I'm currently painting three layers on my DG to get that look, and I'd love to find a shortcut.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/17 15:45:53


Post by: Argive


I believe apothecary white over gray seer

This seems to be the dogs bollocks.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/17 17:14:17


Post by: Pr3Mu5


I haven't painted in almost 2 years. I was thinking about this for a while, my initial reaction being that my time is so split between work, my son I have every weekend, my partner, the gym, family and friends. I realised however that all these things were taking up time prior to my drop off in painting.

I think I have found the real culprit in reflecting on it. I used to play 40k 2/3 times a week but not long after 8th dropped I played less and less and my painting followed shortly after to the point that I now do neither with any regularity. With gaming, even with sub par units (I was renowned for playing a lot of terminators and Land Raiders in 7th), being my driving force to paint it's no surprise I've stopped. With GW gutting the game mechanics to a 7 year olds level myself and a number of my friends have stopped playing. Probably explains why a few of us now only play historicals despite huge piles of grey GW plastic....


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/17 17:33:23


Post by: stroller


Time. Other activities.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/17 17:34:08


Post by: Kcalehc


I do, but really slowly, and I don't buy more till I'm finished with what I have. I like to buy the army bundles, so it gives me a lot to work through; assembly is much faster than painting, so there's usually a few grey ones for a while.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/17 19:03:27


Post by: Dysartes


 Argive wrote:
Jackal90 wrote:
It wasn’t a post to bash people.
Someone said they didn’t have a lamp, yet the models they own cost indefinitely more than a lamp.

That’s like having a house full of food but starving to death.

Money isn’t the key factor for not owning one when someone happily pays more for models.

Yes, it is an extra cost, but you can’t say it’s too expensive then go out and spend that or more on more plastic.


If you read his posts in other topics you'd know that its not the case...
He doesn't go out out and buy more plastics like me or you lol. He's been using the same army pretty much for years. As I said he's a kid.

Its certainly an outlier situation, not the norm.


Point of order - while Karol was at the root of the quote chain, Jackal's point was in response to nareik's comment on lighting.

I don't think there was any need to jump down his throat here, dude.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/17 19:14:35


Post by: Jackal90


 Dysartes wrote:
 Argive wrote:
Jackal90 wrote:
It wasn’t a post to bash people.
Someone said they didn’t have a lamp, yet the models they own cost indefinitely more than a lamp.

That’s like having a house full of food but starving to death.

Money isn’t the key factor for not owning one when someone happily pays more for models.

Yes, it is an extra cost, but you can’t say it’s too expensive then go out and spend that or more on more plastic.


If you read his posts in other topics you'd know that its not the case...
He doesn't go out out and buy more plastics like me or you lol. He's been using the same army pretty much for years. As I said he's a kid.

Its certainly an outlier situation, not the norm.


Point of order - while Karol was at the root of the quote chain, Jackal's point was in response to nareik's comment on lighting.

I don't think there was any need to jump down his throat here, dude.



Appreciate it but this is Dakka, my skin is thick enough to just ignore it.
People like to try and find fault instead of commenting on the actual topic.

I think anything thing I haven’t seen on here much is the urge to paint.
I’ll go through weeks where I churn out models at a stupid rate (for me anyway)
Other weeks I pick up a brush and just don’t feel it.
That’s partly due to staring at over 100 chainrasps though.

Seem to buy a lot faster than I paint, leading to several ongoing projects and slowing myself down.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/17 23:06:47


Post by: BrianDavion


 Jidmah wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
the white armor on my sisters here was done with the white contrast.

Can you tell me which foundation and which paint exactly? I'm currently painting three layers on my DG to get that look, and I'd love to find a shortcut.


Apocathary white over wraithbone.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/19 03:33:39


Post by: TheBoy


Someone broke into my car and stole all my paints. Lol just waiting on $500 to buy the army painter range. And some citadel for the gaps
Spoiler:





Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/19 09:32:03


Post by: Jidmah


BrianDavion wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
the white armor on my sisters here was done with the white contrast.

Can you tell me which foundation and which paint exactly? I'm currently painting three layers on my DG to get that look, and I'd love to find a shortcut.


Apocathary white over wraithbone.


Thanks, I'll give it a try


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/19 10:45:10


Post by: ScaryEd


I think many people go through seasons - one month you get really on-board with painting and do it every night as a habit. Then maybe you finish that squad, and can't be bothered to start a new one for a while. Inertia basically.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/19 13:07:05


Post by: BrianDavion


 Jidmah wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
the white armor on my sisters here was done with the white contrast.

Can you tell me which foundation and which paint exactly? I'm currently painting three layers on my DG to get that look, and I'd love to find a shortcut.


Apocathary white over wraithbone.


Thanks, I'll give it a try


No problem. not entirely sold on contrast paints but the apoacathry white is a good solution to the "painting white problem"


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/19 19:58:04


Post by: leopard


Personally I do paint, largely as a mechanic to slow down buying, however several at the local group don't, their reasons vary but at the end of the day, their models, their choice.

I don't think we have anyone unable to paint, or ashamed of paint ability - both of which are pretty valid reasons, if you are going to make a right pigs ear, or think you are then sometimes plain plastic or just a coloured primer is perhaps preferable.

we do have several who find painting takes time they just don't have - typically they have a few painted characters accompanied by the primed legions

tends to be a bit of needling over unpainted models, more for historical games than 40k/AoS but its gentle and good natured.

at the end of the day most recognise painted looks better, but not all have the ability and we all understand that


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/19 23:10:30


Post by: Isengard


Time, that simple. Plus I think I am in the process of my eyesight degrading from very good to problematic when I switch between close and further focusing. I am on the cusp of needing glasses, so at the moment it can really cause me headaches, etc. Time, however, is the absolutely key factor. My job is way too intensive to allow me the time to paint with any real leisure and focus.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/19 23:36:32


Post by: Insectum7


BrianDavion wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
Painting my Space Marines in their white paint scheme is a chore and a half.


have you tried the apoacathary white contrast paint? not normally a big fan of contrast paints but apocathary white is very much on my list of ".. ok this is REALLY useful"


Imo it's not contrasty enough, I like hard, black lines between plates and I don't think contrast paints will cut it. If a contrast paint did manage the contrast, I'd still have to clean it up with a smooth white again, which is the most painstaking part of it. I have some contrast paint I will try on some less important models. But for the main army, it's going to be the hard way.

Spoiler:




Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/20 02:42:29


Post by: Kanluwen


If you want hard, black lines between plates then hit Black Templar with the Contrast Medium and apply it that way.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/20 03:06:06


Post by: Insectum7


 Kanluwen wrote:
If you want hard, black lines between plates then hit Black Templar with the Contrast Medium and apply it that way.


The black lines arent the tricky part, it's the rebuilding to white afterwards. But if you got pics I'm interested.

Well, that and painting the badges


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/20 04:21:02


Post by: Argive


 Insectum7 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
Painting my Space Marines in their white paint scheme is a chore and a half.


have you tried the apoacathary white contrast paint? not normally a big fan of contrast paints but apocathary white is very much on my list of ".. ok this is REALLY useful"


Imo it's not contrasty enough, I like hard, black lines between plates and I don't think contrast paints will cut it. If a contrast paint did manage the contrast, I'd still have to clean it up with a smooth white again, which is the most painstaking part of it. I have some contrast paint I will try on some less important models. But for the main army, it's going to be the hard way.

Spoiler:




That looks really good. IS this contrast or what you are talking about achieving ?


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/20 04:29:52


Post by: Insectum7


 Argive wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
Painting my Space Marines in their white paint scheme is a chore and a half.


have you tried the apoacathary white contrast paint? not normally a big fan of contrast paints but apocathary white is very much on my list of ".. ok this is REALLY useful"


Imo it's not contrasty enough, I like hard, black lines between plates and I don't think contrast paints will cut it. If a contrast paint did manage the contrast, I'd still have to clean it up with a smooth white again, which is the most painstaking part of it. I have some contrast paint I will try on some less important models. But for the main army, it's going to be the hard way.

Spoiler:




That looks really good. IS this contrast or what you are talking about achieving ?


Thanks! No contrast paints involved. Primed white, blacklined, cleaned up with white, washed with a brown-black, then cleaned/blended with more white again, then sometimes more weathering on top of that. It's a process and a half.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/20 04:30:19


Post by: BrianDavion


thats what he's talking about achieving, contrast is grey so generally if you do a apocathary white it'll be white with grey highlighting. it looks smart but definatly isn't as sharp as that

these sisters here

Spoiler:


are an example of what you can do with the white contrast paint (note the red is done by conventional means not contrast)

I should note I'm a decent painter but no means an expert.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/20 05:40:45


Post by: Lance845


Those sisters white looks very flat to me. If thats contrast it probably could have used a darker undercoat.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/20 06:32:27


Post by: BrianDavion


 Lance845 wrote:
Those sisters white looks very flat to me. If thats contrast it probably could have used a darker undercoat.


it's the lighting, looks better in real life.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/20 13:27:00


Post by: The Newman


BrianDavion wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
Those sisters white looks very flat to me. If thats contrast it probably could have used a darker undercoat.


it's the lighting, looks better in real life.


Ain't that the truth. Painting a good looking model and producing an accurate photograph of a model are two largely unrelated skills.

Some people locally don't paint on the grounds that either it takes too long to produce a good looking model or (on the other skde of the coin) that they don't think the results of speed-painting are good enough to be worth the effort.

I paint all the time, but there are still models I'm putting off because they look like a miserable slog to get through the paint process. I've been making more of an effort lately to counter that tendancy though.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/20 23:57:03


Post by: Jimbobbyish


My plan is to start painting after i'm done adding robes, puffy sleeves, flags, and feathers to my models, but so far I only have one squad of 5 blood claws, 4 Wulfen, and i'm currently working on my Wolf Lord on Thunder Wolf.
edited for spelling*


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/22 23:06:39


Post by: Alcibiades


Because I really suck at it.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/22 23:47:14


Post by: Grimtuff


ITT- a lot of people misunderstanding the OP's question.

The question is not why are you not painting some models right now, more why do you not participate in what is kinda an integral part of the hobby (whether you like it or not. I've heard all the asinine reasons in that other thread...) that is advertised as such by literally every wargaming company out there?



Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/22 23:53:02


Post by: JNAProductions


 Grimtuff wrote:
ITT- a lot of people misunderstanding the OP's question.

The question is not why are you not painting some models right now, more why do you not participate in what is kinda an integral part of the hobby (whether you like it or not. I've heard all the asinine reasons in that other thread...) that is advertised as such by literally every wargaming company out there?

Presuming much? The OP seemed to acknowledge that different people enjoy the hobby in different ways. Can you do the same?


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/23 00:00:23


Post by: Charistoph


 Grimtuff wrote:
ITT- a lot of people misunderstanding the OP's question.

The question is not why are you not painting some models right now, more why do you not participate in what is kinda an integral part of the hobby (whether you like it or not. I've heard all the asinine reasons in that other thread...) that is advertised as such by literally every wargaming company out there?

Why can't it be some models right now? As it is, I've never fielded a fully painted army (unless you include one WMH Battlebox game). The same reasons my army is not fully painted is largely the same reasons I would not have any models painted at all.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/23 00:00:48


Post by: Argive


Can we not...again? Please


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/23 00:56:27


Post by: Nightlord1987


Lazy. Bad time management. Obsessive Compulsive painting sprees followed by months of stagnation. Plus I love the converting process much more than painting.

Right now I'm building a Terminator Inquisitor from the Space Marine Heroes Thunderhammer dude. Still need to finish painting my Castellan, that I started in september.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/23 01:38:26


Post by: ccs


 Grimtuff wrote:
more why do you not participate in what is kinda an integral part of the hobby (whether you like it or not. I've heard all the asinine reasons in that other thread...) that is advertised as such by literally every wargaming company out there?


Oh, I do.
I just do it at my own pace* - wich many make the mistake of largely thinking "is not participating". That's a problem with their perception, not my enjoyment of the hobby.
In the meantime though I've got no problem playing with the unfinished pieces.

*My own pace is defined as:
#1) As the mood strikes me. Hey, I painted up a Reaper giant snake the other night! Oops, sorry, it doesn't have a 40k use. I must not be participating....
#2) As I need - sometimes I take a commission, sometimes I need a model/squad for a specific event (Sat. evening down at the shop/over at my buddies is not a qualifying event), etc. THEN I'll paint. Question: If I paint someone elses stuff vs my own, does that count as participating?
#3) As individual models "earn their paint".
These days this is the most common way things get painted. Model/unit does something memorable during play - kills its pts worth in one game, model scores me the win, survives ridiculous odds, etc.
Next up in this system (after the boats in #4 are finished) is a particular Churchill Crocodile tank from Flames of War - in 4 turns of play it absorbed 19! potentially tank killing shots, allowing the others of its plt. to do their job.
#4) Sometimes I HAVE to finish the painting before I can even finish the assembly. The goblin figure "Scaremonger" from AoS is an example. There is just no way to paint that after assembly. Likewise with assembling a fleet for the Black Seas age of Sail game. It would VERY difficult to paint the ships after fully rigging the masts & sails. So the project here in Jan. has been painting 30 tiny sailing ships for demo games at the shop. Wich means that anyone judging me by what I've painted for a GW game would foolishly think "Ha! CCS is not participating".
#5 Time. Presently painting time is limited to Mon, Tue, & Wed. So whatever my reason for painting, the painting is limited to those days. If it's Sun/Thur/Fri/Sat? Nothings being painted


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/23 01:42:57


Post by: JNAProductions


I think it was more directed at people like me, who rarely paint anything.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/23 01:47:50


Post by: ryzouken


Why don't you paint my models?


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/23 02:07:25


Post by: NurglesR0T


ryzouken wrote:
Why don't you paint my models?


Send me all your models. I'll paint them at some point, promise.



Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/23 08:41:50


Post by: ccs


 JNAProductions wrote:
I think it was more directed at people like me, who rarely paint anything.


Oh trust me, I definitely qualify for that.

Not counting several commissions & a terrain piece, my personal output for 2019 was about 85 models.
1 Red Gobbo Christmas grot,
1 Zarbag (grot wizard for AoS)
10 squig riders for AoS,
5 or 6 individual 15 mm WWII pieces, mostly tanks, (none in the same force) that "Earned Paint".
the other 65 or so were all NPC figures (mostly civilians) for a specific D&D adventure. It was important to be able to ID the individuals on the table and playtesting revealed that a simple light prime & ink wash wouldn't cut it. So 65 figs or so in 30 days. If it weren't for these my output would've only been 18 models in 12 months.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/23 15:26:02


Post by: Octopoid


 Grimtuff wrote:
ITT- a lot of people misunderstanding the OP's question.

The question is not why are you not painting some models right now, more why do you not participate in what is kinda an integral part of the hobby (whether you like it or not. I've heard all the asinine reasons in that other thread...) that is advertised as such by literally every wargaming company out there?



Because I don't want to, and anyone who feels compelled to tell me how to participate in my own hobbies and how to spend my own time, money, and energy, is welcome to take a long walk off a short pier.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/23 17:29:35


Post by: Gangland


I put painting off because I have other obligations. I work full time, was going to school part time but this semester going full time. I have a girlfriend and other activities I participate in. I really only play my friends and they have no issue with unpainted models (one kinda does because he paints all the time but he was also unemployed for a good bit of our getting into the hobby so had a lot of time to do so. And it's mostly he just wished the Vampire Counts player would make an effort as he has very few painted models which he bought that way and the rest is a grey hoard). My group typically prioritizes playing as we like the game (shocking I know) so instead of let's get together and paint we always go for let's get together and play.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/24 02:25:32


Post by: Hankovitch


It's little to do with whether someone likes painting or dislikes painting minis; what I don't really get are the people who invest heavily in a not-very-good game system despite a lack of interest in the crafting nature of the hobby. (And for those who enjoy the setting/themes/aesthetics of the game, there are many versions of 40k that are not miniatures wargames: video games, board and card games, RPG systems, and so on.)

I find myself trying to picture a quilting forum where people keep saying "I like quilting, I just can't be bothered to sew anything and don't see the value in it."


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/24 02:46:16


Post by: Avatar 720


I very, very rarely paint because I genuinely loathe it with an intense, burning passion. There's never been a painting session where I've come away with a good feeling, never mind any pride or accomplishment. I'm not a terrible painter, some of it is even the good side of "alright", but that doesn't change that I disliked every step of doing it, and generally dislike the end result. Maybe part of it's a bit of a blank canvas dilemma: a blank canvas has near unlimited potential, of which a filled canvas can only ever achieve a small part.

The fact I only ever paint nowadays in order to fulfil other people's expectations of how the hobby works doesn't exactly help, either. If I could afford to get stuff painted for me then I might, but that's always felt like the models aren't really mine any more, at least not wholly. The only upside of painting for me is that those models are mine, through all the hours, sweat, tears, and cursing, they're 100% mine.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/24 02:48:09


Post by: Lance845


Hankovitch wrote:
It's little to do with whether someone likes painting or dislikes painting minis; what I don't really get are the people who invest heavily in a not-very-good game system despite a lack of interest in the crafting nature of the hobby. (And for those who enjoy the setting/themes/aesthetics of the game, there are many versions of 40k that are not miniatures wargames: video games, board and card games, RPG systems, and so on.)

I find myself trying to picture a quilting forum where people keep saying "I like quilting, I just can't be bothered to sew anything and don't see the value in it."


Bad analogy. There is nothing to do in quilting as a hobby except quilt. The vast majority of this forum has nothing to do with painting. Its has to do with playing the game. The rules. The units. The upcoming releases. The rule books. The missions. The tourney stats. Why would you join a forum about playing the game and expect 100% of it to be about painting?


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/24 02:53:33


Post by: Argive


Ohh boy here we go again...


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/24 02:59:33


Post by: UncleJetMints


Hankovitch wrote:
It's little to do with whether someone likes painting or dislikes painting minis; what I don't really get are the people who invest heavily in a not-very-good game system despite a lack of interest in the crafting nature of the hobby. (And for those who enjoy the setting/themes/aesthetics of the game, there are many versions of 40k that are not miniatures wargames: video games, board and card games, RPG systems, and so on.)

I find myself trying to picture a quilting forum where people keep saying "I like quilting, I just can't be bothered to sew anything and don't see the value in it."


It boils down to, this is the game my friends are playing. A couple of us keep trying to get flames of war to take off In my area, but everyone is invested in warhammer, but this discussion of painting vs not painting already got shut down once this month. No need to shut down another thread.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/24 03:03:41


Post by: JNAProductions


Eh. I’m not bothered by someone saying “I don’t get it.” That’s fine-it confuses them, but they’re not being mean about it, just expressing bewilderment. Hardly something to get salty over.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/24 05:44:55


Post by: ccs


Hankovitch wrote:
It's little to do with whether someone likes painting or dislikes painting minis; what I don't really get are the people who invest heavily in a not-very-good game system despite a lack of interest in the crafting nature of the hobby. (And for those who enjoy the setting/themes/aesthetics of the game, there are many versions of 40k that are not miniatures wargames: video games, board and card games, RPG systems, and so on.)


It's pretty simple. My hobby is the PLAYING of miniatures games.

Can't really do that without the models. So gotta buy & assemble.
Now wether or not I play with them in color.... {shrugs} Doesn't usually bother me. Doesn't bother the people I game with either.
So painting occurs when it occurs - unless I'm being paid, have a very specific need, or not painting now will make it all but impossible to paint the finished piece in the future.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/24 23:42:05


Post by: Hankovitch


Edit: naaahh, deleted.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/25 06:12:14


Post by: Droog


To OP

Because I'm lazy.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/27 18:15:43


Post by: ServiceGames


The only game I've played a couple of AoS games where my army wasn't fully painted, but it at least had a base coat and usually a layer as well.

Since I got married and now have a four year old stepson, finding time to paint is much more difficult. Would I trade my wife and stepson for painting? Heck no.

But, if I do play without painted models, it would be because I simply haven't had the time to paint them.

SG


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/27 18:47:41


Post by: Kanluwen


 Insectum7 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
If you want hard, black lines between plates then hit Black Templar with the Contrast Medium and apply it that way.


The black lines arent the tricky part, it's the rebuilding to white afterwards. But if you got pics I'm interested.

Well, that and painting the badges

I don't like to have too many pictures of my stuff floating around these days. If you look at the "Skaeth's Wild Hunt" painting video for Warhammer Beastgrave or the promo shots for them?

See the red leather? They have you use Black Templar mixed with Contrast Medium to make it really 'pop'.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/28 00:08:21


Post by: CrownAxe


I find painting to be quite boring

Quite frankly I wasn’t pulled into 40k because of the prospect of doing 3D adult coloring books


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/28 09:33:32


Post by: VAYASEN


 CrownAxe wrote:
I find painting to be quite boring

Quite frankly I wasn’t pulled into 40k because of the prospect of doing 3D adult coloring books


If you dont enjoy it you dont enjoy it.. no problem there.

Seems odd having a dig at 3d adult colouring books....while being interested in adult toy soldiers to me.

The painted figures and the battlefields, the lore and game itself all come together and make up one great hobby.



Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/28 16:00:09


Post by: ccs


VAYASEN wrote:
 CrownAxe wrote:
I find painting to be quite boring

Quite frankly I wasn’t pulled into 40k because of the prospect of doing 3D adult coloring books


If you dont enjoy it you dont enjoy it.. no problem there.

Seems odd having a dig at 3d adult colouring books....while being interested in adult toy soldiers to me.

The painted figures and the battlefields, the lore and game itself all come together and make up one great hobby.



But, as has been pointed out, you can enjoy the painting & gaming aspects completely independent of one another.
*Some can game on quite happily with bare plastic/metal/resin. I mean, you don't need to paint Chess pieces to enjoy Chess do you? You've played with solid colored Army Men/Dinos/etc as a kid, right? So why should a grey SM be any different? Because it costs magnitudes more than a Green Army Man??
*Others, like my friends GF, love painting this stuff but can't stand playing the games. She just does not see what we're getting out of the playing part of the hobby....
*Many people though can combine painting/playing.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/28 16:53:26


Post by: T1nk4bell


Well I have 2000+necrons and 3500 + orks painted but.
The most issue for me is time.
I work 40 hours a week as ( dunno the word in English) male nurse? got two kids and a wife. And make sport every second day.
I painted alot last year but I understand when people have time issue to paint


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/28 17:02:44


Post by: Sgt_Smudge


T1nk4bell wrote:
I work 40 hours a week as ( dunno the word in English) male nurse?
Still just nurse!


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/28 18:51:17


Post by: T1nk4bell


Ty


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/01/28 19:53:43


Post by: Insectum7


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
If you want hard, black lines between plates then hit Black Templar with the Contrast Medium and apply it that way.


The black lines arent the tricky part, it's the rebuilding to white afterwards. But if you got pics I'm interested.

Well, that and painting the badges

I don't like to have too many pictures of my stuff floating around these days. If you look at the "Skaeth's Wild Hunt" painting video for Warhammer Beastgrave or the promo shots for them?
Spoiler:

See the red leather? They have you use Black Templar mixed with Contrast Medium to make it really 'pop'.


Still looks a little grayish to me, and I think it would be even lighter if painted over white instead of a mid-value red. But I'll buy some Contrast Medium just to have it around, and do an experiment or two. I'm planning on trying contrast on a bunch of OG beakies at some point.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/01 19:16:49


Post by: Xfrawg


phillv85 wrote:
Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.

I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.

I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?

I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.


I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/02 03:38:14


Post by: Mmmpi


Xfrawg wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.

I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.

I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?

I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.


I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.


Good for you. No one is forcing you to. It's a bit off topic though.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/02 06:22:35


Post by: ccs


Xfrawg wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.

I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.

I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?

I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.


I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.


What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/02 08:09:30


Post by: Elbows


ccs wrote:
Xfrawg wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.

I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.

I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?

I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.


I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.


What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?


Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/02 08:35:58


Post by: Adeptus Doritos


 Elbows wrote:
Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.


Not to be nitpicky or assy, but no FLGS or gaming club is, by definition, "public". It's still a private establishment or on private property. It would be "public" if it were in a park, on a city sidewalk, or city/state/federal land/property.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also: I got my Rebooted Legion painted this weekend, at least about 85%-90%, enough that I'd be comfortable with people taking photos or hauling them to a tournament. I'm no expert painter, but I do okay. It wasn't all me, though.

So, what I did was found a friend that was getting into Horus Heresy. We made a deal that we would get "the basics" painted up over the weekend for both of our armies. So, we laid all of our models on the table after we primed them. Then we based all of our own Legion's primary colors. The "common colors" we divided- "I'll do the metal, you do the black" sort of arrangement. Basically even though we did pretty much the same amount of models together that we would have done on our own- it seemed to be a lot easier when we divided the tasks of painting both our armies and worked as a team.

One of the things that I had a lot of difficulty with was trying too hard to be neat when I was painting- well, the whole idea of 'neaten up later' is a real thing. At first, 'coverage' is what's more important than 'detail' and 'precision'.

Now, I can have a 'painted army' and what I do over time is go back and touch up all the little mistakes, and I make a little mark under the base with a bright color to know I've finished it, and if there are two marks under the base I know I've applied anti-shine/gloss varnish and the model is fully complete.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/02 10:15:30


Post by: Mmmpi


 Elbows wrote:
ccs wrote:
Xfrawg wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.

I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.

I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?

I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.


I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.


What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?


Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.


My private property, and personal artistic expression. So, yes I can legally stop you, force take-downs of posted pictures, ect, if I care enough to go that far.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/02 18:45:26


Post by: Xfrawg


 Mmmpi wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
ccs wrote:
Xfrawg wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.

I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.

I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?

I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.


I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.


What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?


Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.


My private property, and personal artistic expression. So, yes I can legally stop you, force take-downs of posted pictures, ect, if I care enough to go that far.


I won't it is as simple as that. I have the right to take the pictures, but I do not have the right to post them without his consent.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/02 20:09:15


Post by: Jidmah


That really depends a lot on your country's law.

Still, nothing prevents you from just packing up once he starts taking photos and mess up the epic scenery while doing so. Using your dice and tape measure to spell "Feth you!" "YOLO" and other immersion-breaking things also comes to mind.
Last, but not least, play Slanesh and have some models with female nipples to make those images unpostable on twitter, instagram, facebook and others. Bonus points for unpainted female nipples.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/02 20:39:27


Post by: Argive


Wow...The usual dakka descent into the warp of the unreasonable and the unreal.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/02 21:20:45


Post by: Da Boss


Yeah, to get things back to the topic a bit, I do paint my stuff mostly, and am strict about not playing with unpainted stuff nowadays. What that tends to mean is stuff does not get played.

Like others, my main issue is time. I am a teacher, and time tends to be feast or famine for me. I am either working 50+ hours a week and don't have time (more like 70 hours in the worst periods) or I have long periods off and get loads done.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/02 22:40:40


Post by: Argive


Im being held back by the current obsession with building

Also my bottle neck is that my pile of stuff in need of airbrushing has grown to the point I have enough to set up and start working, however there are still more things I would like to do in several consecutive sessions. I hate changing colours in the airbrush so Im trying to get as many pieces built and primed before moving onto painting.

Also, got some more colour shift colours so some awesome experiments need to be done


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 09:48:15


Post by: Karak Norn Clansman


Because I'm busy sculpting.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 11:43:38


Post by: Mmmpi


Spoiler:
Xfrawg wrote:
 Mmmpi wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
ccs wrote:
Xfrawg wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.

I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.

I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?

I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.


I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.


What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?


Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.


My private property, and personal artistic expression. So, yes I can legally stop you, force take-downs of posted pictures, ect, if I care enough to go that far.


I won't it is as simple as that. I have the right to take the pictures, but I do not have the right to post them without his consent.


You have the right to take pictures of your models. You may not take pictures of other people, or their property without their permission.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 14:37:42


Post by: Kcalehc


 Mmmpi wrote:


You have the right to take pictures of your models. You may not take pictures of other people, or their property without their permission.


Not quite how it works here in the States. No need to start an argument to derail, so here's a rough guide: https://lifehacker.com/know-your-rights-photography-in-public-5912250


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 18:37:02


Post by: Hankovitch


VAYASEN wrote:

But, as has been pointed out, you can enjoy the painting & gaming aspects completely independent of one another.
*Some can game on quite happily with bare plastic/metal/resin. I mean, you don't need to paint Chess pieces to enjoy Chess do you? You've played with solid colored Army Men/Dinos/etc as a kid, right? So why should a grey SM be any different? Because it costs magnitudes more than a Green Army Man??


Chess is a balanced and widely acclaimed board game. It is a good game whether you play with a cheap plastic set from a flea market, or the hand-carved stone set you painstakingly assembled while doing time at Shawshank. Plastic army men are cheap and disposable so that kids can lose them in the lawn or blow them up with firecrackers without destroying anything of value.

Warhammer 40k is a dumpster fire of a ruleset that only succeeds by the strength of its aesthetic value and affection for the setting. The aesthetics of the game are literally the only thing that give it cultural value above all its market competitors. The values of hand-crafting and artistic expression are what distinguish miniatures wargaming as a genre from board games, video games, hex-and-chit strategy games, video games, and so on.

People are free to enjoy good things in a superficial and uncultured fashion. I'm free to quietly judge them in the privacy of my mind or among like-minded friends.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 19:06:51


Post by: Steelmage99


Hankovitch wrote:


People are free to enjoy good things in a superficial and uncultured fashion. I'm free to quietly judge them in the privacy of my mind or among like-minded friends.


I don't understand people, who don't name their characters and make a believable backstory for their chapter/company/squad.
I mean, why do we like 40K? It is for the setting, and certainly not for the rules.
I just find that it really ruins my immersion and enjoyment, when a person is too lazy to at least name their squads.
Now, I don't expect everything to be named right out of the gate, with a full backstory of past victories and squad rivalries, but I really hate the pathetic net-list power gamers, that don't even show some kind of progress.
I mean, how hard is it to name one squad each time you play? How hard is it to sit down and spend a few hours thinking up names?
"But I am not good at it!". Don't worry. It all comes with practice. Just start naming and you might find better names later.
I personally don't field an unnamed squad without at least a decent backstory, but each to their own I guess.
I just wouldn't set a low standard, and I certainly wouldn't actively ruin the game for others....so I name my squads, at least.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 19:16:56


Post by: Bdrone


so this conversation came back?

I feel i must ask this once more. If a prevailing point is that the games only held up by painting and aesthetics, then why even invest good painting efforts into it? painting any miniature with an aesthetic you want, and possibly getting a better game would appear to be the better option, wouldn't it?


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 19:19:58


Post by: Karol


Well if you suddenly decided that other companies make good or better looking models, this would mean you just were wasting money and time for only you know how much time.
It is better to stay with the bad you know, then do anything else.

Plus it is a social thing. what if you picked up an infinity or star wars model, and your GW crew did not react welcoming to it?


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 19:29:19


Post by: VladimirHerzog


Steelmage99 wrote:
Hankovitch wrote:


People are free to enjoy good things in a superficial and uncultured fashion. I'm free to quietly judge them in the privacy of my mind or among like-minded friends.


I don't understand people, who don't name their characters and make a believable backstory for their chapter/company/squad.
I mean, why do we like 40K? It is for the setting, and certainly not for the rules.
I just find that it really ruins my immersion and enjoyment, when a person is too lazy to at least name their squads.
Now, I don't expect everything to be named right out of the gate, with a full backstory of past victories and squad rivalries, but I really hate the pathetic net-list power gamers, that don't even show some kind of progress.
I mean, how hard is it to name one squad each time you play? How hard is it to sit down and spend a few hours thinking up names?
"But I am not good at it!". Don't worry. It all comes with practice. Just start naming and you might find better names later.
I personally don't field an unnamed squad without at least a decent backstory, but each to their own I guess.
I just wouldn't set a low standard, and I certainly wouldn't actively ruin the game for others....so I name my squads, at least.



if thats how you enjoy about the game, good for you. but don't go calling everyone that doesn't name their squads and characters "lazy/pathetic/power gamers". I personally only name my characters if they manage to do something noteworthy in a fight, sometimes. And some of my models earned some medals (that i have yet to convert) for cool in-game moments. Most of my armies are unnamed tho. I just don't need the roleplaying part to enjoy 40k, and you insulting people that view the game differently than you do is pretty rude.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 19:50:45


Post by: Bdrone


Karol wrote:
Well if you suddenly decided that other companies make good or better looking models, this would mean you just were wasting money and time for only you know how much time.
It is better to stay with the bad you know, then do anything else.

Plus it is a social thing. what if you picked up an infinity or star wars model, and your GW crew did not react welcoming to it?


... that's about all I've been able to gather from such a stance. people trying to make the best of a bad situation by... still investing into it. well, if that's what they want to do.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 19:59:42


Post by: Elbows


 Mmmpi wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
ccs wrote:
Xfrawg wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.

I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.

I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?

I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.


I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.


What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?


Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.


My private property, and personal artistic expression. So, yes I can legally stop you, force take-downs of posted pictures, ect, if I care enough to go that far.


Sure, you can pretend that you can do that - but you actually can't. Nice try though, I suppose.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 20:43:31


Post by: infinite_array


Bdrone wrote:
Karol wrote:
Plus it is a social thing. what if you picked up an infinity or star wars model, and your GW crew did not react welcoming to it?


... that's about all I've been able to gather from such a stance. people trying to make the best of a bad situation by... still investing into it. well, if that's what they want to do.


Well, it's the old question of wargaming surrounding GW games - do you play a game you might not like but gets on the table, or buy into something that either might not take off, or never gets attention?

I've been in several wargaming groups that are quite happy to either pick up new games or, if you provide the miniatures for both sides, sit down to learn new rules (and maybe be enticed to pick up something themselves). Not everyone is that lucky.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 20:52:14


Post by: Jacksmiles


 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Steelmage99 wrote:
Hankovitch wrote:


People are free to enjoy good things in a superficial and uncultured fashion. I'm free to quietly judge them in the privacy of my mind or among like-minded friends.


I don't understand people, who don't name their characters and make a believable backstory for their chapter/company/squad.
I mean, why do we like 40K? It is for the setting, and certainly not for the rules.
I just find that it really ruins my immersion and enjoyment, when a person is too lazy to at least name their squads.
Now, I don't expect everything to be named right out of the gate, with a full backstory of past victories and squad rivalries, but I really hate the pathetic net-list power gamers, that don't even show some kind of progress.
I mean, how hard is it to name one squad each time you play? How hard is it to sit down and spend a few hours thinking up names?
"But I am not good at it!". Don't worry. It all comes with practice. Just start naming and you might find better names later.
I personally don't field an unnamed squad without at least a decent backstory, but each to their own I guess.
I just wouldn't set a low standard, and I certainly wouldn't actively ruin the game for others....so I name my squads, at least.



if thats how you enjoy about the game, good for you. but don't go calling everyone that doesn't name their squads and characters "lazy/pathetic/power gamers". I personally only name my characters if they manage to do something noteworthy in a fight, sometimes. And some of my models earned some medals (that i have yet to convert) for cool in-game moments. Most of my armies are unnamed tho. I just don't need the roleplaying part to enjoy 40k, and you insulting people that view the game differently than you do is pretty rude.


That's the joke.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 22:07:37


Post by: Bdrone


 infinite_array wrote:
Bdrone wrote:
Karol wrote:
Plus it is a social thing. what if you picked up an infinity or star wars model, and your GW crew did not react welcoming to it?


... that's about all I've been able to gather from such a stance. people trying to make the best of a bad situation by... still investing into it. well, if that's what they want to do.


Well, it's the old question of wargaming surrounding GW games - do you play a game you might not like but gets on the table, or buy into something that either might not take off, or never gets attention?

I've been in several wargaming groups that are quite happy to either pick up new games or, if you provide the miniatures for both sides, sit down to learn new rules (and maybe be enticed to pick up something themselves). Not everyone is that lucky.


everyone will answer that question differently. for me? im not going to buy a product i don't really care for, just because it'll get on the table- but then I have other priorities and interests i could invest in, and i don't have a group ive been with to keep me in a specific product range. I just always find it odd when i hear people more or less say the game is so bad, that the painting saves it. at that point i start to wonder why even game at all. certain aesthetics aside, theres a lot of shore's to go paint on before id even question bang for buck. but i guess the social experience is worth the cost.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 22:19:23


Post by: Adeptus Doritos


 Mmmpi wrote:
You have the right to take pictures of your models. You may not take pictures of other people, or their property without their permission.


Are you sure that's the law? Because many states do not require your consent to photograph or record you or your property.

The ultimate authority would be the store owner.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 22:21:12


Post by: Hankovitch


Steelmage99 wrote:

I don't understand people, who don't name their characters and make a believable backstory for their chapter/company/squad.
I mean, why do we like 40K? It is for the setting, and certainly not for the rules.
I just find that it really ruins my immersion and enjoyment, when a person is too lazy to at least name their squads.
Now, I don't expect everything to be named right out of the gate, with a full backstory of past victories and squad rivalries, but I really hate the pathetic net-list power gamers, that don't even show some kind of progress.
I mean, how hard is it to name one squad each time you play? How hard is it to sit down and spend a few hours thinking up names?
"But I am not good at it!". Don't worry. It all comes with practice. Just start naming and you might find better names later.
I personally don't field an unnamed squad without at least a decent backstory, but each to their own I guess.
I just wouldn't set a low standard, and I certainly wouldn't actively ruin the game for others....so I name my squads, at least.


Funny thing... This hypothetical gamer you're describing? Would likely be a BLAST to play with.

I mean, sure, they're probably a bit weird sometimes. But just imagine coming to the table with someone who had a name for his Knight House, had heraldry and a history, and a livery for the company of infantry that accompanied them into battle. Imagine someone who could tell you about the nearly-forgotten, ancient hero who suffered inside his Leviathan dreadnought, and how he resisted the torments that were inflicted on him every time he took to the field. Imagine the person who could name their melee captain, who had imagined a few of the heroic exploits (perhaps even from previous games!) that had forged him into the jump-pack-wearing, hammer-wielding badass he has become.

Imagine the person who knows the name of their Guardsmen's homeworld--without it being Cadia or Tallarn or Vostroya. (Not that those aren't nice places!). Imagine someone who could explain to you how their genestealer cult was spread from world to world, or who could tell you about the murders and betrayals that their archon had committed to claim leadership of a Kabal.

A person like this might make you want to run a narrative campaign, to have a history for your army beyond a series of anonymous Ws and Ls. They might spur you to create Kill Teams, or a new battlefield to fight over. And most of all? This person would probably have painted their army.

I'd trade a dozen unpainted net-list Timmys to play games with this person. But to you, it seems, they're just a troll.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/03 23:54:15


Post by: Mmmpi


Spoiler:
 Elbows wrote:
 Mmmpi wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
ccs wrote:
Xfrawg wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.

I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.

I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?

I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.


I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.


What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?


Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.


My private property, and personal artistic expression. So, yes I can legally stop you, force take-downs of posted pictures, ect, if I care enough to go that far.


Sure, you can pretend that you can do that - but you actually can't. Nice try though, I suppose.


So, I read the article that was posted above. Sad to say it actually agrees with what others have said...stores aren't private property. There's also the aspect of ownership. Since it's my property being photographed, I'm half owner of the photo (Professional photographers get work releases signed which gives them full ownership). There's also the privacy issue involved.

This is all moot though because no one would take photos of someone's models without their permission right?
--
So we've heard "don't care, paint slowly, only paint when motivated, dislike painting and have to force themselves" as the more common reasons people don't paint.

What methods could we do to encourage people to paint so they take interest in that aspect/paint faster/are most productive when motivated?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
 Mmmpi wrote:
You have the right to take pictures of your models. You may not take pictures of other people, or their property without their permission.


Are you sure that's the law? Because many states do not require your consent to photograph or record you or your property.

The ultimate authority would be the store owner.


Yes, and I also forgot ownership issues.

The person who's stuff is getting photographed can expect a measure of privacy if they aren't in a public place. The store owner can have a say in who photographs however as they own the store, but consent from the person in it is also an issue.
The person who's getting their stuff photographed is also 50% owner of the photograph unless they sign that away. (Professional photographers get work releases signed from clients)

This does bring up the question though. Why would you risk taking photos without someone's permission? Let's say it's legal in your area. If they say no, and you do it anyway, are they going to react well? At best your game is now gakky. At worse, you've lost most of the store as opponents.

Edit: since this seems to be an ongoing topic, I''m going to start a new thread for it.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/04 00:24:15


Post by: Argive


 Mmmpi wrote:
Spoiler:
 Elbows wrote:
 Mmmpi wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
ccs wrote:
Xfrawg wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.

I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.

I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?

I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.


I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.


What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?


Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.


My private property, and personal artistic expression. So, yes I can legally stop you, force take-downs of posted pictures, ect, if I care enough to go that far.


Sure, you can pretend that you can do that - but you actually can't. Nice try though, I suppose.


So, I read the article that was posted above. Sad to say it actually agrees with what others have said...stores aren't private property. There's also the aspect of ownership. Since it's my property being photographed, I'm half owner of the photo (Professional photographers get work releases signed which gives them full ownership). There's also the privacy issue involved.

This is all moot though because no one would take photos of someone's models without their permission right?
--
So we've heard "don't care, paint slowly, only paint when motivated, dislike painting and have to force themselves" as the more common reasons people don't paint.

What methods could we do to encourage people to paint so they take interest in that aspect/paint faster/are most productive when motivated?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
 Mmmpi wrote:
You have the right to take pictures of your models. You may not take pictures of other people, or their property without their permission.


Are you sure that's the law? Because many states do not require your consent to photograph or record you or your property.

The ultimate authority would be the store owner.


Yes, and I also forgot ownership issues.

The person who's stuff is getting photographed can expect a measure of privacy if they aren't in a public place. The store owner can have a say in who photographs however as they own the store, but consent from the person in it is also an issue.
The person who's getting their stuff photographed is also 50% owner of the photograph unless they sign that away. (Professional photographers get work releases signed from clients)

This does bring up the question though. Why would you risk taking photos without someone's permission? Let's say it's legal in your area. If they say no, and you do it anyway, are they going to react well? At best your game is now gakky. At worse, you've lost most of the store as opponents.

Edit: since this seems to be an ongoing topic, I''m going to start a new thread for it.


Or they loose clout and make themselves look foolish/argumentative for making a big deal out of nothing and ruining the community vibe..

And community is how you encourage people to paint. Have painting corners/clinics running workshops.
Its what we have done at our local club. I think I might do one about basing and help people make cool bases which will also in turn show them how effective and easy shading and dry brushing is a technique for those that might be beginner painters. Its all about community however you slice it and supporting people and being encouraging IMO. However, as the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water.. But you damn sure cant make that mofo drink lol.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/04 09:05:53


Post by: Aelyn


 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Steelmage99 wrote:
Hankovitch wrote:


People are free to enjoy good things in a superficial and uncultured fashion. I'm free to quietly judge them in the privacy of my mind or among like-minded friends.


I don't understand people, who don't name their characters and make a believable backstory for their chapter/company/squad.
I mean, why do we like 40K? It is for the setting, and certainly not for the rules.
I just find that it really ruins my immersion and enjoyment, when a person is too lazy to at least name their squads.
Now, I don't expect everything to be named right out of the gate, with a full backstory of past victories and squad rivalries, but I really hate the pathetic net-list power gamers, that don't even show some kind of progress.
I mean, how hard is it to name one squad each time you play? How hard is it to sit down and spend a few hours thinking up names?
"But I am not good at it!". Don't worry. It all comes with practice. Just start naming and you might find better names later.
I personally don't field an unnamed squad without at least a decent backstory, but each to their own I guess.
I just wouldn't set a low standard, and I certainly wouldn't actively ruin the game for others....so I name my squads, at least.



if thats how you enjoy about the game, good for you. but don't go calling everyone that doesn't name their squads and characters "lazy/pathetic/power gamers". I personally only name my characters if they manage to do something noteworthy in a fight, sometimes. And some of my models earned some medals (that i have yet to convert) for cool in-game moments. Most of my armies are unnamed tho. I just don't need the roleplaying part to enjoy 40k, and you insulting people that view the game differently than you do is pretty rude.

... And do you think that painting is a requirement to play the game?

I think you may have missed the point of that post - it's clearly a parody intended to point out how the "models must be painted or you're a lazy power gaming armyhopping WAAC player" attitude can come across to others who disagree with the fundamental premise.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/04 10:52:11


Post by: Overread


 Mmmpi wrote:


Yes, and I also forgot ownership issues.

The person who's stuff is getting photographed can expect a measure of privacy if they aren't in a public place. The store owner can have a say in who photographs however as they own the store, but consent from the person in it is also an issue.
The person who's getting their stuff photographed is also 50% owner of the photograph unless they sign that away. (Professional photographers get work releases signed from clients)

This does bring up the question though. Why would you risk taking photos without someone's permission? Let's say it's legal in your area. If they say no, and you do it anyway, are they going to react well? At best your game is now gakky. At worse, you've lost most of the store as opponents.

Edit: since this seems to be an ongoing topic, I''m going to start a new thread for it.


Actually yes and no it varies on country and situation.

For example in many countries if the model is paying for the photography then they own the photos; in others the photographer retains ownership unless they sign it away.
If the photographer is paying the model then in most countries the model has no ownership of the photo at all.
If its a mutual exchange of services then one would expect the 50-50 ownership to be part of the contract agreement.

Regardless in most countries the person who presses the shutter is the one who owns the photograph (you recall that monkey face photo that went around the net a while back where the monkey took the photo - the photographer LOST the rights to that photo as it was argued in court that the monkey took the photo and, as its not human, it has no rights to protect so the photo was listed as public domain).


If you're in a public place or a private property with public access and no rules against it, then the person who presses the shutter button owns the photo. You can even publish and profit for editorial use without penalty (that's how newspapers work). Although there have been new laws brought in to curb some of this and many places are more uptight on getting written permission where possible, especially for something like event marketing (though again if its a crowd of a 500 people in the photo then they don't have to seek permission).


This is all very rough and general and different countries (and states) can have variations on the rules. But the main upshot is that your concept of 50-50 ownership is flawed and most often not the default cause.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/04 13:50:35


Post by: Karol


anglo sphear has a very specific and strange definition of what is public/private , same with ownership.

technicly a street is okey, but when our public TV went to make material about UK, they got arrested and their stuff was confiscated. And they had to leave the country as soon as our ambassador got them out.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/07 00:20:07


Post by: Steelmage99


Steelmage99 wrote:


I don't understand people, who don't name their characters and make a believable backstory for their chapter/company/squad.
I mean, why do we like 40K? It is for the setting, and certainly not for the rules.
I just find that it really ruins my immersion and enjoyment, when a person is too lazy to at least name their squads.
Now, I don't expect everything to be named right out of the gate, with a full backstory of past victories and squad rivalries, but I really hate the pathetic net-list power gamers, that don't even show some kind of progress.
I mean, how hard is it to name one squad each time you play? How hard is it to sit down and spend a few hours thinking up names?
"But I am not good at it!". Don't worry. It all comes with practice. Just start naming and you might find better names later.
I personally don't field an unnamed squad without at least a decent backstory, but each to their own I guess.
I just wouldn't set a low standard, and I certainly wouldn't actively ruin the game for others....so I name my squads, at least.


Thank you to Jacksmiles and Aelyn for getting the point of my post.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/13 09:22:12


Post by: Just Tony


I have three kids in the house, the middle with Down Syndrome, and the youngest with Autism. Finding time to paint has been a bear. I'm almost to the point of bringing stuff to work and trying to milk out break and lunch.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/13 14:55:10


Post by: Stevefamine


Aelyn wrote:

... And do you think that painting is a requirement to play the game?


Yes. Obviously!


ccs wrote:
What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?


I would never want to come across you in a Friendly local game store


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/13 16:55:22


Post by: Commodus Leitdorf


1) I only really get 1 hour, maybe an hour and a half a night to paint. Which mostly consists base coating and washing a single model. Or, if i'm batch painting, getting 3 or 4 colours down on a few before I continue the next day.

2) I have about 10 different project going on and I have project A.D.D. so I'll paint a mini for one of those projects then one from another project next. So I make progress on all but overall it's slow.

3) I work in I.T. so I spend my day sitting down in front of a PC. When I get home I just don't want to sit down any more then I already do and I psych myself out of painting.

4) I only really paint in the cold months. I prefer to be outside in the summer/Spring when the weather get better which means half the year I just straight can't be motivated to paint.

Of the projects I'm working on I have:
1000pts of Stormcast
1000pts of Cities of Sigmar
2000pts of Ogor Mawtribes
1000pts of Blade of Khorne
2000pt Goblin army for WHFB/9th Age
1000pts Dwarf army for WHFB/9th age
1000pts Khorne Chaos Warrior army for WHFB/9th Age
Painting the Conan Miniature game from Monolith
Continuing to add to my rather large Terrain collection (Right now working on the old Citadel castle)
Giant pile of Bones miniature from 2 kickstarters sitting in a pile in the corner
Pile of Lord of the Rings minis I'm slowly working through

As can be seen...I'm busy.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/13 18:50:23


Post by: DeathKorp_Rider


 Stevefamine wrote:
Aelyn wrote:

... And do you think that painting is a requirement to play the game?


Yes. Obviously!


ccs wrote:
What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?


I would never want to come across you in a Friendly local game store

How is painting a requirement? It is not necessary


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/13 19:12:01


Post by: Cryptek of Awesome


 Stevefamine wrote:
Aelyn wrote:

... And do you think that painting is a requirement to play the game?


Yes. Obviously!


ccs wrote:
What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?


I would never want to come across you in a Friendly local game store


Why? You wouldn't play him anyways.

Personally, I can't imagine someone seeing 2 people, one who says
"Please don't photograph me and/or my models"
And one who goes on a tirade about how he's legally allowed to phtograph everything in the store (while also criticizing his partially/un painted army) and saying - "wow that first guy seems like a jerk!"


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/13 20:47:54


Post by: Stevefamine


In the dozens of threads over there years on dakka dakka that talk about this - it's not a rare personal rule for players to uphold. If you're going to bother playing a pick up game with a random player you aren't familair with at the store - why play with someone who can't be bothered to glue some models together and apply paint? ad nauseam x100

Cryptek - It reminds me of police officers that tell civilians to stop filming them while on duty. I have no intention to make fun of a bad painter or take awkward photos of people. I want to photograph a great game being played on awesome terrain with fully painted models.

Quote from earlier:

 Stevefamine wrote:
In the US - no issue. I can take photos whenever I want. If the guy wants to be weird about it - let him cause a scene. Sounds similar to when cops ask to not be recorded.

As long as the person taking the photos isn't making fun of the paint job or doing anything nasty to the individual.



DK Rider - Warmachine is the game for you if you're not into the hobby side. I recommended this to a friend of mine and he genuinely enjoys not having to stress out finishing his armies for local events. No painting flat printed out terrain, and hard WYSIWYG/Base Size/No Conversions.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/14 00:27:21


Post by: DeathKorp_Rider


Except I like the hobby side. I don’t consider painting to be a part of it but rather it’s own thing.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/14 15:35:02


Post by: Sunno


 Stevefamine wrote:
In the dozens of threads over there years on dakka dakka that talk about this - it's not a rare personal rule for players to uphold. If you're going to bother playing a pick up game with a random player you aren't familair with at the store - why play with someone who can't be bothered to glue some models together and apply paint? ad nauseam x100

Cryptek - It reminds me of police officers that tell civilians to stop filming them while on duty. I have no intention to make fun of a bad painter or take awkward photos of people. I want to photograph a great game being played on awesome terrain with fully painted models.

Quote from earlier:

 Stevefamine wrote:
In the US - no issue. I can take photos whenever I want. If the guy wants to be weird about it - let him cause a scene. Sounds similar to when cops ask to not be recorded.

As long as the person taking the photos isn't making fun of the paint job or doing anything nasty to the individual.



DK Rider - Warmachine is the game for you if you're not into the hobby side. I recommended this to a friend of mine and he genuinely enjoys not having to stress out finishing his armies for local events. No painting flat printed out terrain, and hard WYSIWYG/Base Size/No Conversions.


Not where we are. Mostly painted armies, full 3d (or at least 2.5d). Many of us are trying very hard to change the WM/H mentality and the community is moving in that direction. Also point out that all the big tournaments and ones supported by PP where thee is a chance of getting on one of the streams have a 100% painting requirement.

Also, conversions are allowed in WM/H as long as its 50% of PP product and clearly identifiable what the model is.

I will admit however that compaired to some other systems we have historically been a lot worse at painting. The stereotype exists for a reason.....


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/14 15:42:52


Post by: Jidmah


I'm really waiting for 3D color printing to get within reasonable price ranges.
No painting and no grey models. Win-win for everyone... except GW I guess.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/14 16:39:26


Post by: Charistoph


If painted models are a requirement for you to play the game, maybe you should switch to playing X-Wing, Star Wars Armada, or AT-43, since you don't have to rely on your opponent's capacity for paining.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/14 17:08:11


Post by: Elbows


 Charistoph wrote:
If painted models are a requirement for you to play the game, maybe you should switch to playing X-Wing, Star Wars Armada, or AT-43, since you don't have to rely on your opponent's capacity for paining.


Or they can simply play people with painted models? That's far easier.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/14 17:11:40


Post by: JNAProductions


 Elbows wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
If painted models are a requirement for you to play the game, maybe you should switch to playing X-Wing, Star Wars Armada, or AT-43, since you don't have to rely on your opponent's capacity for paining.


Or they can simply play people with painted models? That's far easier.
Depends on the area. Some places, there are plenty of people with painted models. Others, not so much. Whereas with X-Wing, they come pre painted, so you’re guaranteed to have a painted foe.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/14 17:24:00


Post by: Vulcan


My $.02 worth.

I paint my minis because I find the process relaxing more than any other reason. Yes, I like having fully painted armies; yes, I like when people praise my painting skills, and yes, I appreciate the spectacle of seeing two fully painted armies face off on a table of nice terrain.

But now that I'm stuck over an hour's drive from the nearest gaming venue and haven't played in over six years... I still paint minis because it's relaxing.

How does this relate to the subject of the thread? Well, if painting minis stresses one out, I can completely understand why one wouldn't do it. If one lacks the time, if one lacks the artistic inclination... I get it. You are not me, and the hobby is for everyone.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/14 19:29:43


Post by: Grimtuff


 Elbows wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
If painted models are a requirement for you to play the game, maybe you should switch to playing X-Wing, Star Wars Armada, or AT-43, since you don't have to rely on your opponent's capacity for paining.


Or they can simply play people with painted models? That's far easier.


Yup. After all of this I wonder at what point in this hobby, a modelling hobby to boot; something which implicitly has painting and modelling as a requirement did certain people decide that this is in fact incorrect?

Because it is not, no matter how much they dig their heels in and spit their righteous indignations about.



Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/14 19:53:09


Post by: JNAProductions


Because not everyone feels identically?

No one has an issue with painting being central to how you enjoy the hobby, just don’t force your views on others.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/14 20:02:57


Post by: Elbows


 JNAProductions wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
If painted models are a requirement for you to play the game, maybe you should switch to playing X-Wing, Star Wars Armada, or AT-43, since you don't have to rely on your opponent's capacity for paining.


Or they can simply play people with painted models? That's far easier.
Depends on the area. Some places, there are plenty of people with painted models. Others, not so much. Whereas with X-Wing, they come pre painted, so you’re guaranteed to have a painted foe.


In some remote places you may indeed struggle to find an opponent for any wargame. In most decently populated metropolitan areas you shouldn't. You don't need to stumble upon a clan of dozens of people who only play with painted miniatures...just one or two solid people who make good opponents.

The X-Wing suggestion is a bit silly, because that implies that the person's only interest is playing "A" game with painted miniatures. You may hate Star Wars. You may dislike X-Wing. You may have a grudge against FFG or some such. If you want to play 40K, suggesting another game makes little sense.

The general subject of availability of opponents for any chosen game is an entirely different discussion.

Many people, myself included, would rather not play a game than adopt the "play at all costs" kind of attitude that a lot of people have. This is a luxury hobby, and a hobby in which you should be enjoying yourself. I'm not so desperate to play a tabletop wargame that I'll go play a game with a person I don't like, or at a store I don't like, or with miniatures/terrain that are underwhelming etc. As an adult, free time is always at a premium. If I'm going to spend 2-3 hours gaming I'm going to make the most of it, and I'd rather play against people I enjoy spending time with, in a nice environment, and I'd like to play that game at the highest level when it comes to miniatures/terrain, etc.



Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/14 20:16:28


Post by: Desubot


 JNAProductions wrote:
Because not everyone feels identically?

No one has an issue with painting being central to how you enjoy the hobby, just don’t force your views on others.


This be reasonable and goes both ways.

Dont get mad at people denying you games because you didn't want to paint your army.

that seems to be where most of these threads stem from. someone hypothetically got burned by an store or event because that private entity decided to gate-keep their community with painting restrictions.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/14 20:37:21


Post by: JNAProductions


 Desubot wrote:
 JNAProductions wrote:
Because not everyone feels identically?

No one has an issue with painting being central to how you enjoy the hobby, just don’t force your views on others.


This be reasonable and goes both ways.

Dont get mad at people denying you games because you didn't want to paint your army.

that seems to be where most of these threads stem from. someone hypothetically got burned by an store or event because that private entity decided to gate-keep their community with painting restrictions.
Yeah-I've literally had someone say "Oh, I only want to play against a painted army. Sorry," after we were almost about to have a game.

Was a bit annoying to me, but I get it. People have their preferences, and I ain't gonna knock them for that.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/15 01:31:36


Post by: Steelmage99


 Desubot wrote:

that seems to be where most of these threads stem from. someone hypothetically got burned by an store or event because that private entity decided to gate-keep their community with painting restrictions.


I have the opposite experience.
To me most of these threads seem to come from someone being told, that what THEY find important and "really crucial to the entire gaming experience" is just their opinion.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/15 14:24:39


Post by: Just Tony


You know, with as rare as it is for me to squeeze in a game at current, I would hardly turn away a game with someone in the editions I play solely because of painted minis, and I'd assume the player would feel the same.

That being said, ideally I wouldn't drop an army on the table unless it was painted. We used to hold to that ideal solely because of taking pride in our armies. Then as I was building a force, one that I expanded faster than my painiting schedule allowed, people constantly asked me to run them as it was not an army played in the store very often. I capitulated, and I'm pretty sure I NEVER finished painting that army before I traded it off for a different project.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/16 05:23:20


Post by: Charistoph


Elbows wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
If painted models are a requirement for you to play the game, maybe you should switch to playing X-Wing, Star Wars Armada, or AT-43, since you don't have to rely on your opponent's capacity for paining.

Or they can simply play people with painted models? That's far easier.

Which is why I suggested moving to a game where the chances of playing against unpainted models is nill.

Elbows wrote:The X-Wing suggestion is a bit silly, because that implies that the person's only interest is playing "A" game with painted miniatures. You may hate Star Wars. You may dislike X-Wing. You may have a grudge against FFG or some such. If you want to play 40K, suggesting another game makes little sense.

Good thing I mentioned something else, then. But seriously, if painted models are that important to you, your options are to offer to paint the other player's models or move to a system where going against painted models isn't a problem.

I'm pointing out that the painted models is the individual's demand.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/16 07:16:17


Post by: Klickor


Good thing that there are areas in which painted armies is the standard so it doesnt matter if its 40k or X-wing if you want to play against painted models.

Unpainted models and armies are frowned upon around here. Badly painted due to lack of skill or work in progress painted armies on the other hand isnt frowned upon at all. You can have expectations of having painted armies and be welcoming at the same time.

Probably more pure 40k painter and Collectors than there are pure 40k gamers who dislike to paint out there so having the armies be painted makes it easier and more inviting for the painter to try to actually play with their models as well and not just have them sitting on a shelf. Good for the growth of the hobby and game both.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/16 09:18:27


Post by: DeathKorp_Rider


Klickor wrote:
Good thing that there are areas in which painted armies is the standard so it doesnt matter if its 40k or X-wing if you want to play against painted models.

Unpainted models and armies are frowned upon around here. Badly painted due to lack of skill or work in progress painted armies on the other hand isnt frowned upon at all. You can have expectations of having painted armies and be welcoming at the same time.

Probably more pure 40k painter and Collectors than there are pure 40k gamers who dislike to paint out there so having the armies be painted makes it easier and more inviting for the painter to try to actually play with their models as well and not just have them sitting on a shelf. Good for the growth of the hobby and game both.


Around here people are just happy to be able to play games. The state of paint has no impact on our enjoyment.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/16 23:55:20


Post by: Elbows


Charistoph: You didn't really address the points I made? Someone shouldn't go play another game if they like the game they're playing...that makes no sense.

Likewise, your options are not: "offer to paint their army", or "move systems"...you simply...play people who actually paint their armies in the game you enjoy. That's a completely reasonable/common option. I enjoy that you seem to be trying to vilify people who have a different standard than you.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/17 15:05:06


Post by: Kanluwen


 Just Tony wrote:
You know, with as rare as it is for me to squeeze in a game at current, I would hardly turn away a game with someone in the editions I play solely because of painted minis, and I'd assume the player would feel the same.

That being said, ideally I wouldn't drop an army on the table unless it was painted. We used to hold to that ideal solely because of taking pride in our armies.

I used to have the same dilemma, feeling like if I put stuff on the table and it wasn't painted--I was doing it wrong or just trying to throw stuff out there.

But then I started realizing that I wasn't hopping armies as quick as some of the locals were as they focused upon doing quick paints for their armies so they can play before dumping them for the next thing...mine are slowly getting built up, slowly getting painted, and the paintjobs look a bit more realistic compared to the drybrushed, shaded, and color primed ones I would see.


It was a huuuuuuuge gamechanger for me.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/17 15:52:02


Post by: Easy E


I did not paint my armies, because I did not have the time. Worse, I did not enjoy it.

Now that I am older, I enjoy painting more as a separation from my busy life. I still do not enjoy it, but I like the end product and I like decompressing and detaching from the stress of the world. I can focus on painting and the people with me easier.

Another thing that helped my painting is that I stopped trying to do it alone and isolated all the time. Instead, I paint with my family who are doing their own craft stuff. Now it is more of a family time activity, instead of taking time away from them.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/17 18:21:20


Post by: Charistoph


 Elbows wrote:
Charistoph: You didn't really address the points I made? Someone shouldn't go play another game if they like the game they're playing...that makes no sense.

Likewise, your options are not: "offer to paint their army", or "move systems"...you simply...play people who actually paint their armies in the game you enjoy. That's a completely reasonable/common option. I enjoy that you seem to be trying to vilify people who have a different standard than you.

Because your points are equally as sensible. Gating your games to being with only painted models would be akin to only playing games against armies you can win against, or only with people who have the same point tally as you, or will only play with the same tournament pack as you.

Mostly, I'm just pointing out that if painted models are so much of an issue, then you need to be equally active in making sure you can do so, removed - Rule #1


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/17 23:00:03


Post by: Elbows


 Charistoph wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
Charistoph: You didn't really address the points I made? Someone shouldn't go play another game if they like the game they're playing...that makes no sense.

Likewise, your options are not: "offer to paint their army", or "move systems"...you simply...play people who actually paint their armies in the game you enjoy. That's a completely reasonable/common option. I enjoy that you seem to be trying to vilify people who have a different standard than you.

Because your points are equally as sensible. Gating your games to being with only painted models would be akin to only playing games against armies you can win against, or only with people who have the same point tally as you, or will only play with the same tournament pack as you.

Mostly, I'm just pointing out that if painted models are so much of an issue, then you need to be equally active in making sure you can do so, removed - Rule #1


I'm not going to lie, that was a hard post to read. You need to work on explaining what you're trying to say. Try again?

I don't play in tournaments, or "tournament packs", etc. I don't even play 40K at the moment. I'm genuinely lost in what your last sentence is trying to say. Equally active in what? So if someone doesn't want to play with unpainted figures because they don't enjoy it, they're...whatever it is you tried to say in the second half?

You still haven't explained how playing a different game is a mandatory solution for people who enjoy playing with painted miniatures.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/17 23:13:40


Post by: foenixphate


Because I can't prime right now, stupid British winter, you better believe once we hit the good times (all what, 20 good priming days we get a year...) I'll be painting plenty


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/17 23:36:47


Post by: Desubot


 Charistoph wrote:
Gating your games to being with only painted models would be akin to only playing games against armies you can win against


How?


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 00:09:00


Post by: Argive


Ohh see the thread has finaly started to devolve into this old chestnut..

@ Foenixphate Im pretty sure I wrecked my Extractpr airbrush booth using cans in the house

God I cant wait to have proper dedicated airbrush space..
Stupid Property buying rules* grumble grumble mutter mutter grumble*


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 02:59:20


Post by: Charistoph


 Desubot wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
Gating your games to being with only painted models would be akin to only playing games against armies you can win against

How?

I already gave my answer, finish reading the whole message.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 06:48:54


Post by: chromedog


If the choice is between playing against unpainted or not playing a game for a while, I'll take the latter.

PLAYING the game is only one leg of a tripod, not the only leg of a monopod.

Painting and assembling are the other 2, and I'm quite happy to stick with those 2 while I wait.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 07:45:26


Post by: DeathKorp_Rider


 chromedog wrote:
If the choice is between playing against unpainted or not playing a game for a while, I'll take the latter.

PLAYING the game is only one leg of a tripod, not the only leg of a monopod.

Painting and assembling are the other 2, and I'm quite happy to stick with those 2 while I wait.


So you’d rather do nothing then play against the only other guy in a store who has an army, but is unpainted? Seems kind of criminal to me.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 08:40:41


Post by: Slipspace


 chromedog wrote:
If the choice is between playing against unpainted or not playing a game for a while, I'll take the latter.

PLAYING the game is only one leg of a tripod, not the only leg of a monopod.

Painting and assembling are the other 2, and I'm quite happy to stick with those 2 while I wait.


That seems like an odd choice for a number of reasons. I'm not sure too many would agree the 3 legs of the hobby are assembling, painting and playing for a start. Assembling and painting are pretty much always seen as the same thing by everyone I've ever met. Refusing to do one of the 3 legs as you call them also seems counterproductive. I get the need to have standards but refusing to play at all (i.e. take part in one of the supposedly 3 parts to the hobby) seems very much like cutting off your nose to spite your face.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 08:43:53


Post by: Rygnan


I do paint my models. Just slowly and very sporadically because I'm lazy. I have the bonus of owning a lot that is painted though, and playing with a group of people who all have tons of painted stuff so we can all have multiple options in any game we play unless it's brand new to us all


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 08:47:57


Post by: Steelmage99


 chromedog wrote:
If the choice is between playing against unpainted or not playing a game for a while, I'll take the latter.

PLAYING the game is only one leg of a tripod, not the only leg of a monopod.

Painting and assembling are the other 2, and I'm quite happy to stick with those 2 while I wait.


Really?

You don't think; Models, Setting and Gameplay is a much more reasonable tripod?


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 08:57:57


Post by: tneva82


 Charistoph wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
Charistoph: You didn't really address the points I made? Someone shouldn't go play another game if they like the game they're playing...that makes no sense.

Likewise, your options are not: "offer to paint their army", or "move systems"...you simply...play people who actually paint their armies in the game you enjoy. That's a completely reasonable/common option. I enjoy that you seem to be trying to vilify people who have a different standard than you.

Because your points are equally as sensible. Gating your games to being with only painted models would be akin to only playing games against armies you can win against, or only with people who have the same point tally as you, or will only play with the same tournament pack as you.

Mostly, I'm just pointing out that if painted models are so much of an issue, then you need to be equally active in making sure you can do so, removed - Rule #1


You are 100% entitled to choose whom you play with you know? Nobody is forced to play game if they don't want to. So if somebody doesn't want to play against unpainted stuff a) he has every right to deny b) opponent sounds just entitled kid if he starts to complain opponent doesn't play vs him. Nobody is required to play vs anybody. Period.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Slipspace wrote:
 chromedog wrote:
If the choice is between playing against unpainted or not playing a game for a while, I'll take the latter.

PLAYING the game is only one leg of a tripod, not the only leg of a monopod.

Painting and assembling are the other 2, and I'm quite happy to stick with those 2 while I wait.


That seems like an odd choice for a number of reasons. I'm not sure too many would agree the 3 legs of the hobby are assembling, painting and playing for a start. Assembling and painting are pretty much always seen as the same thing by everyone I've ever met. Refusing to do one of the 3 legs as you call them also seems counterproductive. I get the need to have standards but refusing to play at all (i.e. take part in one of the supposedly 3 parts to the hobby) seems very much like cutting off your nose to spite your face.


So you should do something unfun rather than save your time and not do the unfun thing?

Weird. There's this saying "don't throw good money after bad". You aren't supposed to play if you don't find it fun just because there's game available that you don't enjoy.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 14:04:57


Post by: Just Tony


tneva82 wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
Charistoph: You didn't really address the points I made? Someone shouldn't go play another game if they like the game they're playing...that makes no sense.

Likewise, your options are not: "offer to paint their army", or "move systems"...you simply...play people who actually paint their armies in the game you enjoy. That's a completely reasonable/common option. I enjoy that you seem to be trying to vilify people who have a different standard than you.

Because your points are equally as sensible. Gating your games to being with only painted models would be akin to only playing games against armies you can win against, or only with people who have the same point tally as you, or will only play with the same tournament pack as you.

Mostly, I'm just pointing out that if painted models are so much of an issue, then you need to be equally active in making sure you can do so, removed - Rule #1


You are 100% entitled to choose whom you play with you know? Nobody is forced to play game if they don't want to. So if somebody doesn't want to play against unpainted stuff a) he has every right to deny b) opponent sounds just entitled kid if he starts to complain opponent doesn't play vs him. Nobody is required to play vs anybody. Period.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Slipspace wrote:
 chromedog wrote:
If the choice is between playing against unpainted or not playing a game for a while, I'll take the latter.

PLAYING the game is only one leg of a tripod, not the only leg of a monopod.

Painting and assembling are the other 2, and I'm quite happy to stick with those 2 while I wait.


That seems like an odd choice for a number of reasons. I'm not sure too many would agree the 3 legs of the hobby are assembling, painting and playing for a start. Assembling and painting are pretty much always seen as the same thing by everyone I've ever met. Refusing to do one of the 3 legs as you call them also seems counterproductive. I get the need to have standards but refusing to play at all (i.e. take part in one of the supposedly 3 parts to the hobby) seems very much like cutting off your nose to spite your face.


So you should do something unfun rather than save your time and not do the unfun thing?

Weird. There's this saying "don't throw good money after bad". You aren't supposed to play if you don't find it fun just because there's game available that you don't enjoy.


But... how does a few colors change the "fun" of the game? Does it somehow affect dice rolls or tactics?

This is so baffling to me...


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 14:44:28


Post by: Slipspace


tneva82 wrote:

Slipspace wrote:
 chromedog wrote:
If the choice is between playing against unpainted or not playing a game for a while, I'll take the latter.

PLAYING the game is only one leg of a tripod, not the only leg of a monopod.

Painting and assembling are the other 2, and I'm quite happy to stick with those 2 while I wait.


That seems like an odd choice for a number of reasons. I'm not sure too many would agree the 3 legs of the hobby are assembling, painting and playing for a start. Assembling and painting are pretty much always seen as the same thing by everyone I've ever met. Refusing to do one of the 3 legs as you call them also seems counterproductive. I get the need to have standards but refusing to play at all (i.e. take part in one of the supposedly 3 parts to the hobby) seems very much like cutting off your nose to spite your face.


So you should do something unfun rather than save your time and not do the unfun thing?

Weird. There's this saying "don't throw good money after bad". You aren't supposed to play if you don't find it fun just because there's game available that you don't enjoy.


I'm genuinely confused how people can find playing against unpainted armies unfun to the point they will refuse a game against them. Doubly so when the poster I replied to specifically said gaming was one part of the hobby as a whole and then said they wouldn't take part in that side of the hobby with someone who hadn't taken part in one of the other (rather arbitrarily designated) parts of the hobby. Like, I understand you'd prefer to play on a brilliantly modelled board with fantastic terrain against a well-painted army, and I think all gamers would probably prefer that as the pinnacle of the hobby, but I just can't understand a situation where someone says no to a game because the opponent hasn't painted their army, especially because the poster in question specifically said they'd wait and not play at all until such an opponent materialises. So if no such opponent exists in their area they just wouldn't play? Yeah, not too logical to me.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 14:49:12


Post by: Easy E


Depends on if you come to wargaming as a spectacle or as a game.

Many old school gamers got into wargaming for the "look" and "spectacle" of it all. That trumps gameplay even, since a game you play that does not have the right look and spectacle is not worth playing.

Many gamers got into it for the game and competition of it all. Therefore, it makes no sense to not play a game when one is on offer.

The two mindsets will never understand each other, because on the internet no one WANTS to understand each other. You score points by being willfully obtuse. I have seen the rules of the internet, so it is objective fact.*



* Warning: Post may or may not have objective facts in it.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 15:56:13


Post by: Klickor


40k for me is mostly about the spectacle. I can play to teach or help a friend try new models but I prefer painted and thats why Im in it. Games like Warmachine or Blood Bowl is more for the gameplay but since its so few models I expect painted even more since it makes it look better and not having painted models a while in to the game just looks lazy. So even the games I play for the actual gameplay I want painted. Its just better that way and also usually makes it easier to see what is what and speeds up the game a bit as well.

Its not that unpainted makes the game actually worse but unless you play it soley for the rules and not at all for the background and good looking models it removes a large part of what makes the game fun for many.

Its like film. Black and white doesnt make the story worse or make the performance of the actors worse but I prefer it with beautiful colors in crisp definition with modern special effect thank you. You are welcome to have a retro film club and watch it in black and white but dont force me to join you. I rather go IMax with others than enjoy that even though its more effort/expensive. If you want to see a movie with me Im sorry but thats only gonna happen in color.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 16:35:06


Post by: Stevefamine


Like Klickor and Easy E said - the game is quite the visual.

I previously played quite a bit of 6-10mm Scale. My War of the Roses army isn't going to be unpainted. Imagine seas of metal minis in close rank and file engaging with other historical armies of white metal.


I do however agree with the post here that there is a time you shouldn't paint your minis. When a player is tournament playtesting a new list. I know a ton of local players who have hired services to paint untils that were terrible in events becuase they wrote the list before trying it out. This is extremely popular in Warmachine.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 21:21:19


Post by: Jidmah


Slipspace wrote:
I'm genuinely confused how people can find playing against unpainted armies unfun to the point they will refuse a game against them. Doubly so when the poster I replied to specifically said gaming was one part of the hobby as a whole and then said they wouldn't take part in that side of the hobby with someone who hadn't taken part in one of the other (rather arbitrarily designated) parts of the hobby. Like, I understand you'd prefer to play on a brilliantly modelled board with fantastic terrain against a well-painted army, and I think all gamers would probably prefer that as the pinnacle of the hobby, but I just can't understand a situation where someone says no to a game because the opponent hasn't painted their army, especially because the poster in question specifically said they'd wait and not play at all until such an opponent materialises. So if no such opponent exists in their area they just wouldn't play? Yeah, not too logical to me.


From what I understand, the difference is whether you are playing WH40k as a wargame or if you are playing it as a tabletop board game.

Wargaming is closer to having a model railway - it's more about having epic or historic scenes unfold while moving about models and less about either side actually winning the game. Just like you wouldn't run an unpainted train through your beautifully crafted landscape, those people wouldn't want an unpainted tank lumbering over their battlefield.

All assuming rational people, of course. There are also people who throw a fit because a vibrating mobile phone ruins their immersion or because you painted your apothecary in a non-canon color. Feth them.

In any case, neither the wargamers nor the tabletop players are wrong. However, anyone claiming either is not properly participating in the hobby most definitely is wrong.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 21:45:58


Post by: JNAProductions


 Jidmah wrote:
Slipspace wrote:
I'm genuinely confused how people can find playing against unpainted armies unfun to the point they will refuse a game against them. Doubly so when the poster I replied to specifically said gaming was one part of the hobby as a whole and then said they wouldn't take part in that side of the hobby with someone who hadn't taken part in one of the other (rather arbitrarily designated) parts of the hobby. Like, I understand you'd prefer to play on a brilliantly modelled board with fantastic terrain against a well-painted army, and I think all gamers would probably prefer that as the pinnacle of the hobby, but I just can't understand a situation where someone says no to a game because the opponent hasn't painted their army, especially because the poster in question specifically said they'd wait and not play at all until such an opponent materialises. So if no such opponent exists in their area they just wouldn't play? Yeah, not too logical to me.


From what I understand, the difference is whether you are playing WH40k as a wargame or if you are playing it as a tabletop board game.

Wargaming is closer to having a model railway - it's more about having epic or historic scenes unfold while moving about models and less about either side actually winning the game. Just like you wouldn't run an unpainted train through your beautifully crafted landscape, those people wouldn't want an unpainted tank lumbering over their battlefield.

All assuming rational people, of course. There are also people who throw a fit because a vibrating mobile phone ruins their immersion or because you painted your apothecary in a non-canon color. Feth them.

In any case, neither the wargamers nor the tabletop players are wrong. However, anyone claiming either is not properly participating in the hobby most definitely is wrong.
I object to your exact wording-to me, a wargame is a simulation of war in game format. Armies fighting other armies, attempting to achieve objectives. It has nothing to do with spectacle.

Your general point, though, is a good one-I merely think you chose the wrong term.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 21:55:13


Post by: Jidmah


Good enough for a tabletop gamer I guess


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/18 21:57:40


Post by: JNAProductions


 Jidmah wrote:
Good enough for a tabletop gamer I guess
Harsh.


Why don’t you paint your models? @ 2020/02/19 00:28:49


Post by: Saturmorn Carvilli


Slipspace wrote:
I'm genuinely confused how people can find playing against unpainted armies unfun to the point they will refuse a game against them. Doubly so when the poster I replied to specifically said gaming was one part of the hobby as a whole and then said they wouldn't take part in that side of the hobby with someone who hadn't taken part in one of the other (rather arbitrarily designated) parts of the hobby. Like, I understand you'd prefer to play on a brilliantly modelled board with fantastic terrain against a well-painted army, and I think all gamers would probably prefer that as the pinnacle of the hobby, but I just can't understand a situation where someone says no to a game because the opponent hasn't painted their army, especially because the poster in question specifically said they'd wait and not play at all until such an opponent materialises. So if no such opponent exists in their area they just wouldn't play? Yeah, not too logical to me.


As Jidmah alluded to, I have played a couple hundred tabletop games (board games, card games, war games, rpgs, etc.) and find the actual game part of Warhammer 40k to be in the bottom 25% of all everything I have played before. Without the spectacle and immersive elements of painted armies (and players having a bit of personal lore on their stuff) the game seems like a kinda a waste of my time if I am playing Marlon Rando most of the time. Though, there is a occasional diamond in the rough gaming moments. More often than not, the game is basically already decided before the first miniature hits the table. Even if it isn't, there really doesn't seem to be that many 'decision points' (read: parts of the game where a player makes a meaningful choice to pursue one choice over another) compared to most mediocre or better board games post-2012.. So why would I want to commit to a few hours of looking at a random collection of stuff passing for terrain and gray/silver bits with a stranger in an activity that probably won't even be a contest for the winner? I don't have the kind of free time to take that risk as much these days. At least with painted stuff I can something at least visually simulating.

I can't spend more than a couple nights at the FLGS so if spectacle nor social element aren't really there, and I want to play a game that feels like fair match of wit and luck, I might as well go to the board game night instead. It is just a better experience for that kind of thing for me. Now unpainted stuff doesn't bother me too much if isn't my stuff. However, I will fully admit I don't really bother driving through Friday night traffic to park a few blocks away carrying a couple of cases of models just to get play a game of 40K against a person that has unpainted and barely built models. That is too many things creating resistance to play a game I only kinda acceptable to play.

I actually enjoy just walking around during tournaments even for games I don't play just to see what others have done with their forces. Far more than I ever would actually playing in a tournament. I am just not a tournament kind of player. It is always neat to me to see what kind of local artistry of other miniatures painters. I also really appreciate the gamer paint jobs as they usually aren't as good as painting competition models. However, there is something about a person's whole army on display over a single well done piece. I don't know, whole armies just feel more honest rock n' roll to me compared to a single well done piece. So a lot of time it is much like the enjoyment I would get walking through an art museum.

Last and certainly least, my personal experience as been that nearly all all my bad gaming experiences from my opponent have been facing unpainted models. I am excluding new players, of course, and I am mostly speaking of players that have had unpainted army(s) but has been playing for years. I not saying that all games against unpainted armies are always bad experiences. Just like I am not saying that all painted armies owners are always going to be good experiences. I am just saying that my personal experience has been that I haven't really met a person with a fully painted army that was unbearable to play, but I have a few times with players that didn't. I also don't think it is fair to lump all unpainted army players in with the few bad apples. However, my experience has lead me to be weary of anyone that has been miniatures war gaming for years but has never painted their stuff. Even if they are a decent person and player, we probably aren't looking to get the same thing out of our game leading to disappoint for both parties. Often best just not risk it since I would rather not game at all than spend a few hours feeling like I am work but not getting paid.