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BrianDavion wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Painting my Space Marines in their white paint scheme is a chore and a half.

have you tried the apoacathary white contrast paint? not normally a big fan of contrast paints but apocathary white is very much on my list of ".. ok this is REALLY useful"

Imo it's not contrasty enough, I like hard, black lines between plates and I don't think contrast paints will cut it. If a contrast paint did manage the contrast, I'd still have to clean it up with a smooth white again, which is the most painstaking part of it. I have some contrast paint I will try on some less important models. But for the main army, it's going to be the hard way.

If you want hard, black lines between plates then hit Black Templar with the Contrast Medium and apply it that way.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you want hard, black lines between plates then hit Black Templar with the Contrast Medium and apply it that way.

The black lines arent the tricky part, it's the rebuilding to white afterwards. But if you got pics I'm interested.

Well, that and painting the badges

 Insectum7 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Painting my Space Marines in their white paint scheme is a chore and a half.

have you tried the apoacathary white contrast paint? not normally a big fan of contrast paints but apocathary white is very much on my list of ".. ok this is REALLY useful"

Imo it's not contrasty enough, I like hard, black lines between plates and I don't think contrast paints will cut it. If a contrast paint did manage the contrast, I'd still have to clean it up with a smooth white again, which is the most painstaking part of it. I have some contrast paint I will try on some less important models. But for the main army, it's going to be the hard way.

Spoiler:

That looks really good. IS this contrast or what you are talking about achieving ?

 Argive wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Painting my Space Marines in their white paint scheme is a chore and a half.

have you tried the apoacathary white contrast paint? not normally a big fan of contrast paints but apocathary white is very much on my list of ".. ok this is REALLY useful"

Imo it's not contrasty enough, I like hard, black lines between plates and I don't think contrast paints will cut it. If a contrast paint did manage the contrast, I'd still have to clean it up with a smooth white again, which is the most painstaking part of it. I have some contrast paint I will try on some less important models. But for the main army, it's going to be the hard way.

Spoiler:

That looks really good. IS this contrast or what you are talking about achieving ?

Thanks! No contrast paints involved. Primed white, blacklined, cleaned up with white, washed with a brown-black, then cleaned/blended with more white again, then sometimes more weathering on top of that. It's a process and a half.

thats what he's talking about achieving, contrast is grey so generally if you do a apocathary white it'll be white with grey highlighting. it looks smart but definatly isn't as sharp as that

these sisters here



are an example of what you can do with the white contrast paint (note the red is done by conventional means not contrast)

I should note I'm a decent painter but no means an expert.

Those sisters white looks very flat to me. If thats contrast it probably could have used a darker undercoat.

 Lance845 wrote:
Those sisters white looks very flat to me. If thats contrast it probably could have used a darker undercoat.

it's the lighting, looks better in real life.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Those sisters white looks very flat to me. If thats contrast it probably could have used a darker undercoat.

it's the lighting, looks better in real life.

Ain't that the truth. Painting a good looking model and producing an accurate photograph of a model are two largely unrelated skills.

Some people locally don't paint on the grounds that either it takes too long to produce a good looking model or (on the other skde of the coin) that they don't think the results of speed-painting are good enough to be worth the effort.

I paint all the time, but there are still models I'm putting off because they look like a miserable slog to get through the paint process. I've been making more of an effort lately to counter that tendancy though.

My plan is to start painting after i'm done adding robes, puffy sleeves, flags, and feathers to my models, but so far I only have one squad of 5 blood claws, 4 Wulfen, and i'm currently working on my Wolf Lord on Thunder Wolf.
edited for spelling*

Because I really suck at it.

ITT- a lot of people misunderstanding the OP's question.

The question is not why are you not painting some models right now, more why do you not participate in what is kinda an integral part of the hobby (whether you like it or not. I've heard all the asinine reasons in that other thread...) that is advertised as such by literally every wargaming company out there?

 Grimtuff wrote:
ITT- a lot of people misunderstanding the OP's question.

The question is not why are you not painting some models right now, more why do you not participate in what is kinda an integral part of the hobby (whether you like it or not. I've heard all the asinine reasons in that other thread...) that is advertised as such by literally every wargaming company out there?

Presuming much? The OP seemed to acknowledge that different people enjoy the hobby in different ways. Can you do the same?

 Grimtuff wrote:
ITT- a lot of people misunderstanding the OP's question.

The question is not why are you not painting some models right now, more why do you not participate in what is kinda an integral part of the hobby (whether you like it or not. I've heard all the asinine reasons in that other thread...) that is advertised as such by literally every wargaming company out there?

Why can't it be some models right now? As it is, I've never fielded a fully painted army (unless you include one WMH Battlebox game). The same reasons my army is not fully painted is largely the same reasons I would not have any models painted at all.

Can we not...again? Please

Lazy. Bad time management. Obsessive Compulsive painting sprees followed by months of stagnation. Plus I love the converting process much more than painting.

Right now I'm building a Terminator Inquisitor from the Space Marine Heroes Thunderhammer dude. Still need to finish painting my Castellan, that I started in september.

 Grimtuff wrote:
more why do you not participate in what is kinda an integral part of the hobby (whether you like it or not. I've heard all the asinine reasons in that other thread...) that is advertised as such by literally every wargaming company out there?

Oh, I do.
I just do it at my own pace* - wich many make the mistake of largely thinking "is not participating". That's a problem with their perception, not my enjoyment of the hobby.
In the meantime though I've got no problem playing with the unfinished pieces.

*My own pace is defined as:
#1) As the mood strikes me. Hey, I painted up a Reaper giant snake the other night! Oops, sorry, it doesn't have a 40k use. I must not be participating....
#2) As I need - sometimes I take a commission, sometimes I need a model/squad for a specific event (Sat. evening down at the shop/over at my buddies is not a qualifying event), etc. THEN I'll paint. Question: If I paint someone elses stuff vs my own, does that count as participating?
#3) As individual models "earn their paint".
These days this is the most common way things get painted. Model/unit does something memorable during play - kills its pts worth in one game, model scores me the win, survives ridiculous odds, etc.
Next up in this system (after the boats in #4 are finished) is a particular Churchill Crocodile tank from Flames of War - in 4 turns of play it absorbed 19! potentially tank killing shots, allowing the others of its plt. to do their job.
#4) Sometimes I HAVE to finish the painting before I can even finish the assembly. The goblin figure "Scaremonger" from AoS is an example. There is just no way to paint that after assembly. Likewise with assembling a fleet for the Black Seas age of Sail game. It would VERY difficult to paint the ships after fully rigging the masts & sails. So the project here in Jan. has been painting 30 tiny sailing ships for demo games at the shop. Wich means that anyone judging me by what I've painted for a GW game would foolishly think "Ha! CCS is not participating".
#5 Time. Presently painting time is limited to Mon, Tue, & Wed. So whatever my reason for painting, the painting is limited to those days. If it's Sun/Thur/Fri/Sat? Nothings being painted

I think it was more directed at people like me, who rarely paint anything.

Why don't you paint my models?

ryzouken wrote:
Why don't you paint my models?

Send me all your models. I'll paint them at some point, promise.

 JNAProductions wrote:
I think it was more directed at people like me, who rarely paint anything.

Oh trust me, I definitely qualify for that.

Not counting several commissions & a terrain piece, my personal output for 2019 was about 85 models.
1 Red Gobbo Christmas grot,
1 Zarbag (grot wizard for AoS)
10 squig riders for AoS,
5 or 6 individual 15 mm WWII pieces, mostly tanks, (none in the same force) that "Earned Paint".
the other 65 or so were all NPC figures (mostly civilians) for a specific D&D adventure. It was important to be able to ID the individuals on the table and playtesting revealed that a simple light prime & ink wash wouldn't cut it. So 65 figs or so in 30 days. If it weren't for these my output would've only been 18 models in 12 months.

 Grimtuff wrote:
ITT- a lot of people misunderstanding the OP's question.

The question is not why are you not painting some models right now, more why do you not participate in what is kinda an integral part of the hobby (whether you like it or not. I've heard all the asinine reasons in that other thread...) that is advertised as such by literally every wargaming company out there?

Because I don't want to, and anyone who feels compelled to tell me how to participate in my own hobbies and how to spend my own time, money, and energy, is welcome to take a long walk off a short pier.

I put painting off because I have other obligations. I work full time, was going to school part time but this semester going full time. I have a girlfriend and other activities I participate in. I really only play my friends and they have no issue with unpainted models (one kinda does because he paints all the time but he was also unemployed for a good bit of our getting into the hobby so had a lot of time to do so. And it's mostly he just wished the Vampire Counts player would make an effort as he has very few painted models which he bought that way and the rest is a grey hoard). My group typically prioritizes playing as we like the game (shocking I know) so instead of let's get together and paint we always go for let's get together and play.

It's little to do with whether someone likes painting or dislikes painting minis; what I don't really get are the people who invest heavily in a not-very-good game system despite a lack of interest in the crafting nature of the hobby. (And for those who enjoy the setting/themes/aesthetics of the game, there are many versions of 40k that are not miniatures wargames: video games, board and card games, RPG systems, and so on.)

I find myself trying to picture a quilting forum where people keep saying "I like quilting, I just can't be bothered to sew anything and don't see the value in it."

I very, very rarely paint because I genuinely loathe it with an intense, burning passion. There's never been a painting session where I've come away with a good feeling, never mind any pride or accomplishment. I'm not a terrible painter, some of it is even the good side of "alright", but that doesn't change that I disliked every step of doing it, and generally dislike the end result. Maybe part of it's a bit of a blank canvas dilemma: a blank canvas has near unlimited potential, of which a filled canvas can only ever achieve a small part.

The fact I only ever paint nowadays in order to fulfil other people's expectations of how the hobby works doesn't exactly help, either. If I could afford to get stuff painted for me then I might, but that's always felt like the models aren't really mine any more, at least not wholly. The only upside of painting for me is that those models are mine, through all the hours, sweat, tears, and cursing, they're 100% mine.

Hankovitch wrote:
It's little to do with whether someone likes painting or dislikes painting minis; what I don't really get are the people who invest heavily in a not-very-good game system despite a lack of interest in the crafting nature of the hobby. (And for those who enjoy the setting/themes/aesthetics of the game, there are many versions of 40k that are not miniatures wargames: video games, board and card games, RPG systems, and so on.)

I find myself trying to picture a quilting forum where people keep saying "I like quilting, I just can't be bothered to sew anything and don't see the value in it."

Bad analogy. There is nothing to do in quilting as a hobby except quilt. The vast majority of this forum has nothing to do with painting. Its has to do with playing the game. The rules. The units. The upcoming releases. The rule books. The missions. The tourney stats. Why would you join a forum about playing the game and expect 100% of it to be about painting?

Ohh boy here we go again...

Hankovitch wrote:
It's little to do with whether someone likes painting or dislikes painting minis; what I don't really get are the people who invest heavily in a not-very-good game system despite a lack of interest in the crafting nature of the hobby. (And for those who enjoy the setting/themes/aesthetics of the game, there are many versions of 40k that are not miniatures wargames: video games, board and card games, RPG systems, and so on.)

I find myself trying to picture a quilting forum where people keep saying "I like quilting, I just can't be bothered to sew anything and don't see the value in it."

It boils down to, this is the game my friends are playing. A couple of us keep trying to get flames of war to take off In my area, but everyone is invested in warhammer, but this discussion of painting vs not painting already got shut down once this month. No need to shut down another thread.

Eh. I’m not bothered by someone saying “I don’t get it.” That’s fine-it confuses them, but they’re not being mean about it, just expressing bewilderment. Hardly something to get salty over.

Hankovitch wrote:
It's little to do with whether someone likes painting or dislikes painting minis; what I don't really get are the people who invest heavily in a not-very-good game system despite a lack of interest in the crafting nature of the hobby. (And for those who enjoy the setting/themes/aesthetics of the game, there are many versions of 40k that are not miniatures wargames: video games, board and card games, RPG systems, and so on.)

It's pretty simple. My hobby is the PLAYING of miniatures games.

Can't really do that without the models. So gotta buy & assemble.
Now wether or not I play with them in color.... {shrugs} Doesn't usually bother me. Doesn't bother the people I game with either.
So painting occurs when it occurs - unless I'm being paid, have a very specific need, or not painting now will make it all but impossible to paint the finished piece in the future.