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The only game I've played a couple of AoS games where my army wasn't fully painted, but it at least had a base coat and usually a layer as well.
Since I got married and now have a four year old stepson, finding time to paint is much more difficult. Would I trade my wife and stepson for painting? Heck no.
But, if I do play without painted models, it would be because I simply haven't had the time to paint them.
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40K - T'au Empire
Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
*** I only play for fun. I do not play competitively. ***
Kanluwen wrote: If you want hard, black lines between plates then hit Black Templar with the Contrast Medium and apply it that way.
The black lines arent the tricky part, it's the rebuilding to white afterwards. But if you got pics I'm interested.
Well, that and painting the badges
I don't like to have too many pictures of my stuff floating around these days. If you look at the "Skaeth's Wild Hunt" painting video for Warhammer Beastgrave or the promo shots for them?
See the red leather? They have you use Black Templar mixed with Contrast Medium to make it really 'pop'.
Quite frankly I wasn’t pulled into 40k because of the prospect of doing 3D adult coloring books
If you dont enjoy it you dont enjoy it.. no problem there.
Seems odd having a dig at 3d adult colouring books....while being interested in adult toy soldiers to me.
The painted figures and the battlefields, the lore and game itself all come together and make up one great hobby.
But, as has been pointed out, you can enjoy the painting & gaming aspects completely independent of one another.
*Some can game on quite happily with bare plastic/metal/resin. I mean, you don't need to paint Chess pieces to enjoy Chess do you? You've played with solid colored Army Men/Dinos/etc as a kid, right? So why should a grey SM be any different? Because it costs magnitudes more than a Green Army Man??
*Others, like my friends GF, love painting this stuff but can't stand playing the games. She just does not see what we're getting out of the playing part of the hobby....
*Many people though can combine painting/playing.
Well I have 2000+necrons and 3500 + orks painted but.
The most issue for me is time.
I work 40 hours a week as ( dunno the word in English) male nurse? got two kids and a wife. And make sport every second day.
I painted alot last year but I understand when people have time issue to paint
Kanluwen wrote: If you want hard, black lines between plates then hit Black Templar with the Contrast Medium and apply it that way.
The black lines arent the tricky part, it's the rebuilding to white afterwards. But if you got pics I'm interested.
Well, that and painting the badges
I don't like to have too many pictures of my stuff floating around these days. If you look at the "Skaeth's Wild Hunt" painting video for Warhammer Beastgrave or the promo shots for them?
Spoiler:
See the red leather? They have you use Black Templar mixed with Contrast Medium to make it really 'pop'.
Still looks a little grayish to me, and I think it would be even lighter if painted over white instead of a mid-value red. But I'll buy some Contrast Medium just to have it around, and do an experiment or two. I'm planning on trying contrast on a bunch of OG beakies at some point.
phillv85 wrote: Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.
I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.
I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?
I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.
I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.
40k Army: Sisters of Battle. 'With Flamer,bolter and Melta do we purge unclean Enemies. With power armor do we turn aside their cruellest blows. With doctine and with Strategy do we win our battles. Yet it is Faith, Sisters, and faith alone that we shall conquer this sinful galaxy.' - Junith Eruita
Aos: Sylvanith, Daughters of khaine, Deepkin, Nighthaunt, Slannesh.
phillv85 wrote: Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.
I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.
I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?
I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.
I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.
Good for you. No one is forcing you to. It's a bit off topic though.
phillv85 wrote: Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.
I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.
I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?
I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.
I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.
What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?
phillv85 wrote: Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.
I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.
I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?
I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.
I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.
What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?
Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.
Elbows wrote: Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.
Not to be nitpicky or assy, but no FLGS or gaming club is, by definition, "public". It's still a private establishment or on private property. It would be "public" if it were in a park, on a city sidewalk, or city/state/federal land/property.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also: I got my Rebooted Legion painted this weekend, at least about 85%-90%, enough that I'd be comfortable with people taking photos or hauling them to a tournament. I'm no expert painter, but I do okay. It wasn't all me, though.
So, what I did was found a friend that was getting into Horus Heresy. We made a deal that we would get "the basics" painted up over the weekend for both of our armies. So, we laid all of our models on the table after we primed them. Then we based all of our own Legion's primary colors. The "common colors" we divided- "I'll do the metal, you do the black" sort of arrangement. Basically even though we did pretty much the same amount of models together that we would have done on our own- it seemed to be a lot easier when we divided the tasks of painting both our armies and worked as a team.
One of the things that I had a lot of difficulty with was trying too hard to be neat when I was painting- well, the whole idea of 'neaten up later' is a real thing. At first, 'coverage' is what's more important than 'detail' and 'precision'.
Now, I can have a 'painted army' and what I do over time is go back and touch up all the little mistakes, and I make a little mark under the base with a bright color to know I've finished it, and if there are two marks under the base I know I've applied anti-shine/gloss varnish and the model is fully complete.
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phillv85 wrote: Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.
I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.
I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?
I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.
I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.
What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?
Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.
My private property, and personal artistic expression. So, yes I can legally stop you, force take-downs of posted pictures, ect, if I care enough to go that far.
phillv85 wrote: Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.
I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.
I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?
I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.
I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.
What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?
Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.
My private property, and personal artistic expression. So, yes I can legally stop you, force take-downs of posted pictures, ect, if I care enough to go that far.
I won't it is as simple as that. I have the right to take the pictures, but I do not have the right to post them without his consent.
40k Army: Sisters of Battle. 'With Flamer,bolter and Melta do we purge unclean Enemies. With power armor do we turn aside their cruellest blows. With doctine and with Strategy do we win our battles. Yet it is Faith, Sisters, and faith alone that we shall conquer this sinful galaxy.' - Junith Eruita
Aos: Sylvanith, Daughters of khaine, Deepkin, Nighthaunt, Slannesh.
Still, nothing prevents you from just packing up once he starts taking photos and mess up the epic scenery while doing so. Using your dice and tape measure to spell "Feth you!" "YOLO" and other immersion-breaking things also comes to mind. Last, but not least, play Slanesh and have some models with female nipples to make those images unpostable on twitter, instagram, facebook and others. Bonus points for unpainted female nipples.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Yeah, to get things back to the topic a bit, I do paint my stuff mostly, and am strict about not playing with unpainted stuff nowadays. What that tends to mean is stuff does not get played.
Like others, my main issue is time. I am a teacher, and time tends to be feast or famine for me. I am either working 50+ hours a week and don't have time (more like 70 hours in the worst periods) or I have long periods off and get loads done.
Im being held back by the current obsession with building
Also my bottle neck is that my pile of stuff in need of airbrushing has grown to the point I have enough to set up and start working, however there are still more things I would like to do in several consecutive sessions. I hate changing colours in the airbrush so Im trying to get as many pieces built and primed before moving onto painting.
Also, got some more colour shift colours so some awesome experiments need to be done
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
phillv85 wrote: Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.
I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.
I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?
I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.
I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.
What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?
Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.
My private property, and personal artistic expression. So, yes I can legally stop you, force take-downs of posted pictures, ect, if I care enough to go that far.
I won't it is as simple as that. I have the right to take the pictures, but I do not have the right to post them without his consent.
You have the right to take pictures of your models. You may not take pictures of other people, or their property without their permission.
But, as has been pointed out, you can enjoy the painting & gaming aspects completely independent of one another.
*Some can game on quite happily with bare plastic/metal/resin. I mean, you don't need to paint Chess pieces to enjoy Chess do you? You've played with solid colored Army Men/Dinos/etc as a kid, right? So why should a grey SM be any different? Because it costs magnitudes more than a Green Army Man??
Chess is a balanced and widely acclaimed board game. It is a good game whether you play with a cheap plastic set from a flea market, or the hand-carved stone set you painstakingly assembled while doing time at Shawshank. Plastic army men are cheap and disposable so that kids can lose them in the lawn or blow them up with firecrackers without destroying anything of value.
Warhammer 40k is a dumpster fire of a ruleset that only succeeds by the strength of its aesthetic value and affection for the setting. The aesthetics of the game are literally the only thing that give it cultural value above all its market competitors. The values of hand-crafting and artistic expression are what distinguish miniatures wargaming as a genre from board games, video games, hex-and-chit strategy games, video games, and so on.
People are free to enjoy good things in a superficial and uncultured fashion. I'm free to quietly judge them in the privacy of my mind or among like-minded friends.
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People are free to enjoy good things in a superficial and uncultured fashion. I'm free to quietly judge them in the privacy of my mind or among like-minded friends.
I don't understand people, who don't name their characters and make a believable backstory for their chapter/company/squad.
I mean, why do we like 40K? It is for the setting, and certainly not for the rules.
I just find that it really ruins my immersion and enjoyment, when a person is too lazy to at least name their squads.
Now, I don't expect everything to be named right out of the gate, with a full backstory of past victories and squad rivalries, but I really hate the pathetic net-list power gamers, that don't even show some kind of progress.
I mean, how hard is it to name one squad each time you play? How hard is it to sit down and spend a few hours thinking up names?
"But I am not good at it!". Don't worry. It all comes with practice. Just start naming and you might find better names later.
I personally don't field an unnamed squad without at least a decent backstory, but each to their own I guess.
I just wouldn't set a low standard, and I certainly wouldn't actively ruin the game for others....so I name my squads, at least.
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"He died because he had no honor. He had no honor and the Emperor was watching."
I feel i must ask this once more. If a prevailing point is that the games only held up by painting and aesthetics, then why even invest good painting efforts into it? painting any miniature with an aesthetic you want, and possibly getting a better game would appear to be the better option, wouldn't it?
Well if you suddenly decided that other companies make good or better looking models, this would mean you just were wasting money and time for only you know how much time.
It is better to stay with the bad you know, then do anything else.
Plus it is a social thing. what if you picked up an infinity or star wars model, and your GW crew did not react welcoming to it?
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
People are free to enjoy good things in a superficial and uncultured fashion. I'm free to quietly judge them in the privacy of my mind or among like-minded friends.
I don't understand people, who don't name their characters and make a believable backstory for their chapter/company/squad.
I mean, why do we like 40K? It is for the setting, and certainly not for the rules.
I just find that it really ruins my immersion and enjoyment, when a person is too lazy to at least name their squads.
Now, I don't expect everything to be named right out of the gate, with a full backstory of past victories and squad rivalries, but I really hate the pathetic net-list power gamers, that don't even show some kind of progress.
I mean, how hard is it to name one squad each time you play? How hard is it to sit down and spend a few hours thinking up names?
"But I am not good at it!". Don't worry. It all comes with practice. Just start naming and you might find better names later.
I personally don't field an unnamed squad without at least a decent backstory, but each to their own I guess.
I just wouldn't set a low standard, and I certainly wouldn't actively ruin the game for others....so I name my squads, at least.
if thats how you enjoy about the game, good for you. but don't go calling everyone that doesn't name their squads and characters "lazy/pathetic/power gamers". I personally only name my characters if they manage to do something noteworthy in a fight, sometimes. And some of my models earned some medals (that i have yet to convert) for cool in-game moments. Most of my armies are unnamed tho. I just don't need the roleplaying part to enjoy 40k, and you insulting people that view the game differently than you do is pretty rude.
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