Part Five of Astartes, a Warhammer 40,000 fan film project.
This marks the end of this chapter of the Astartes project. What comes next? Well I'd love to continue! I have many 40k stories I'd like to tell and I already know where I want to take things next if the support is there. Also with the experience gained, raise the quality, enlist key help and bring episodes to you quicker!
Yep.
Simply THE best animation we have seen anywhere on 40K.
What if that could be made into a proper movie/full lenght animation. Dream on Astartes fans ;-)
Scrub wrote: Looking forward to this greatly. The best cinematic depiction of Warhammer 40k for me, bar none.
Agreed, I've not be a marine fan for over twenty years but I sure do like seeing them portrayed exactly as I imagine them to be. Totally focused war machines conditioned and trained to lay down death in the most efficient way possible.
Production value was so good I happily decided to back the Patreon a few months ago.
That was great. Seeing it live was quite an experience, I felt I had to watch everything very intently lest I miss a thing. Not entirely sure what happened, but I still feel that this guy captures what Astartes are better than any other third party (or indeed most of the GW IP Liscencees up to this point). That part where they executed the compromised =][= operative pretty much sums up what SMs are imo. Clinical, uncompromising, pitiless.
Cleaves very close to what Dan Abnett once said about writing Space Marines: They deal in absolutes, no hesitation, zero tolerance, nothing. I LOVE IT and I don't even like or play Astartes.
I know I'm certainly way off but - the Cultists aboard the Ship in the previous episodes - they were guarding this big, spherical brain thing? The brain belonged to the large golden body? Some sort of powerful entity? And the guys go in to decomission it, but they're sucked in? IDK. Hard to follow, and no captions either. Maybe the author has a synopsis? I'd love to see it if so.
I looked.
Very cool.
Recalled a book by Den Abnet about the Inquisitors.
Namely, the episode with the Planet of Demons, the Chariot of Doom or whatever it was called.
I will wait for the next series.
I wonder what kind of a golden man it is.
Is this round Enuntia connected with the ancients?
Very interesting.
A man knows how to intrigue.
This is not the end.
The series was very heavy.
Perhaps the continuation we will see in the next collection of cartoons from the GW.
Remember GW makes its own "Love, Death, Robots."
If he shoots (a GW anime), I am one hundred percent sure that next season we will see the continuation of the Astartes.
sorry for my french
P.S. By the way, I reviewed, in the end, a marin with a rhino-tank a from another order, not from Retributors. And there at the end of another 3 other orders flashed
For the English native speakers here, what are the spheres talking about ? It's very difficult to get but someone in the comments wrote the full conversation.
And then the inquisitor, having heard everything, immediately gave the signal to the marines !
It was great !
godardc wrote: For the English native speaker here, what are the sphere talking about ? It's very difficult to get but someone in the comments wrote the full conversation.
And then the inquisitor, having heard everything, immediately gave the signal to the marines !
It was great !
It's pretty hard to hear, but this is my understanding:
Spoiler:
++Who is here?++
I have failed, brother.
++We have all failed.++
++The Astartes deny our touch.++
++You must return.++
++Break your seal.++
We'll never survive.
++You must.++
++Take the (?a word that sounds like offer?).++
Excellent just like the previous episodes! That's better than anything I've seen from supposedly mainstream and fully professionally funded IPs like Star Trek and Star Wars in the same time frame.
I think I've finally hit on my reason and feeling for why I prefer Astartes over Death of Hope, amongst many things:
Death of Hope, in many places, relies very strongly on body horror and almost just grimdarkness for the sake of it. The squad of Marines being sucked into the orb with no warning, no hesitation, but the sheer wrongness of it and terror it evoked (for me, at least) represented something far more effective that transcended beyond just 40k.
DoH is an excellent 30k/40k story, but relies on someone to be invested in the setting first. Astartes doesn't need that. You can watch Astartes with very little understanding of the setting, and still be just as clued in to what is happening as a seasoned veteran. I think a great deal of that is down to the creative decision by Astartes' creator to pick on things that are completely unique, or at the very least, not obviously explained in 40k canon. Despite being something that non-fans can enjoy, it's also just incredibly well made and appeals to the hardcore 40k audience by keeping that stoicism, the no-nonsense of the Astartes (love that execution of the fallen Inquisitor/Acolyte).
If GW is to make any media, I'd prefer it be closer to Astartes, which appeals to many more people while keeping that 40k edge, and less like DoH.
godardc wrote: For the English native speaker here, what are the sphere talking about ? It's very difficult to get but someone in the comments wrote the full conversation.
And then the inquisitor, having heard everything, immediately gave the signal to the marines !
It was great !
It's pretty hard to hear, but this is my understanding:
Spoiler:
++Who is here?++
I have failed, brother.
++We have all failed.++
++The Astartes deny our touch.++
++You must return.++
++Break your seal.++
We'll never survive.
++You must.++
++Take the (?a word that sounds like offer?).++
think I've finally hit on my reason and feeling for why I prefer Astartes over Death of Hope, amongst many things:
Death of Hope, in many places, relies very strongly on body horror and almost just grimdarkness for the sake of it. The squad of Marines being sucked into the orb with no warning, no hesitation, but the sheer wrongness of it and terror it evoked (for me, at least) represented something far more effective that transcended beyond just 40k.
DoH is an excellent 30k/40k story, but relies on someone to be invested in the setting first. Astartes doesn't need that. You can watch Astartes with very little understanding of the setting, and still be just as clued in to what is happening as a seasoned veteran. I think a great deal of that is down to the creative decision by Astartes' creator to pick on things that are completely unique, or at the very least, not obviously explained in 40k canon. Despite being something that non-fans can enjoy, it's also just incredibly well made and appeals to the hardcore 40k audience by keeping that stoicism, the no-nonsense of the Astartes (love that execution of the fallen Inquisitor/Acolyte).
If GW is to make any media, I'd prefer it be closer to Astartes, which appeals to many more people while keeping that 40k edge, and less like DoH.
I agree wholeheartedly about DOH needing some pre-existing knowledge of the 30/40k universe, but body horror is integral to the setting going all the way back to RT.
Astartes is an excellent introduction to the concept of Marines and how they "work".
I wouldnt say either one is better than the other but both present qualities unique to 40k.
This just goes to show how wide and varied the setting is.
I just hope that what the studio puts out has elements of both.
Inquisitor radical, somewhere he found an artifact of xenos or an artifact of ancient demons (hi Abnett).
Since he is a powerful psyker, he was able to subjugate him to himself and began to study him.
Then he found out that a similar artifact had appeared on one planet.
He enlisted the support of the Distributors and arrived on the planet for an artifact.
He forced her into order, but the rebels seized the artifact and fled from the doomed planet.
But the distributors overtook the ship and boarded it.
They killed the renegade and twin psykers who drew strength from the artifact.
They went inside the storage sphere of the artifact, passed by its unfinished golden body, and the sphere tried to subdue the astartes, but they did not obey and drove auspex communicators into it, connecting it to the inquisitor’s bundle with the enclosed sphere.
After connecting, the spheres began to communicate with each other. The Inquisitor witnessed their conversation in their room.
After a brief meeting, they decided to hide,
The Inquisitor, realizing this, gave a sign to recall the detachment of marines.
But the Spheres joined forces and broke the inquisitor's block with a powerful impulse and began preparations for leaving.
the sergeant of the marines, having received a signal, could not give the order to leave because the departing sphere captured him with the squad.
Another sphere has taken over the inquisitor, showing the past and future. The captain with the lieutenant of the retributors, having seen the inquisitor’s corapt, immediately killed him.
The spheres are gone, perhaps to their home with the squad.
The sergeant found himself on their planet
the end
Ok so I'll give my 2 cents on what happened in what is (in my opinion) by far the best installment of this series:
So it opens with the Retributors captain and sergeant on board the chapter battlebarge overseeing the boarding action by the Impulsors (the designation of this particular marine squad) led by sergeant Kohren. The astartes (possibly acting under the mandate of the Inquisition of visa-versa) have already gained possession of one sphere, we'll call this "Sphere 1".
Sphere one is held by psychic dampeners/some form of containment mechanism to be studied by the Inquisition.
On the enemy ship the impulsor squad moves into the chamber and trips some sort of alarm system. As they walk in further they see a half-constructed talos golem - presumably some sort of mechanized body intended to house the entity within "Sphere 2" (possibly their overall mission, to gain physical form). Surrounding this construct are many psychic amplification devices (spine and mask) which we saw the psykers using previously. This indicates either that they were being used to empower the golem which was requiring a lot of energy to create or that they were planning on possibly "upgrading" other suitable members of their rebellion to the status of psykers.
As the Astartes come face to face with Sphere 2 it attempts to ward them away or dominate their minds with wave after wave of psychic attacks which the marines shrug off. Sphere 2 then shows that it knows the marines by naming them "astartes" as though cursing. This suggests that the two factions have prior history with one another. Sphere 2 feigns weakness as the astartes begin installing what appears to be handheld psychic dampeners of containment devices.
As it cuts back to the battlebarge we see the Inquisitor dive into the warp and witness a communication between Sphere 1 and Sphere 2 which to my understanding goes as follows:
Sphere 2: Who's there?
Sphere 1: We have failed, the Astartes defy our touch. We must return, break your seal!
Sphere 2: We will never survive
Sphere 1: YOU MUST! (Survive/Break seal) take them with you ...
At this point the Inquisitor makes a mistake, he ejects himself from the conversation and lets down his guard to warn the captain saying "The astartes are in danger!". The captain conveys this to the tactical marine in the room who rushes to warn the squad.
This alerts the sphere in the room (Sphere 1) to his presence and attacks. We here him whisper "He knows" and the Inquisitor is forcibly jerked back into a trance-like state. This is followed an energy discharge that we see directly hit the inquisitor. At this point the psyker attempts to fight back by plunging once again into the warp
We are shown (what I believe) is a vision of the future, of what will come to pass. The psyker is overwhelmed by the sphere and is taken over completely at which point the marines put him down with prejudice (I especially like the little detail of the sergeants bolter detonations blowing back the captains cloak showing the sheer force of bolt rounds)
Back on the heretics ship we see sergeant Kohren receive the warning transmission. Unfortunately it is too late and the entity within Sphere 2 withdraws, drawing the astartes in in its wake. Here we see what i believe to be the creatures true form, a tentacled, gargoyle-like beast. It breaks down the seal (sphere) as part of its escape. The Astartes are sucked into the sphere alongside it, possibly as a side effect of the seal being broken, possibly by the creature itself's power, either way the result is the same.
We then see the creature in its true warp form, presumably translating through the warp and taking the astartes with it. In the warp-like nebulae we see clouds of black, these could translate to worlds, landmasses, daemonworlds, warp storms etc but a single black cloud rushes up to meet them consuming the creature. I interpret this as the creature selecting its homeworld and descending upon it with the result looking like it is coming up to meet them. However it could represent a pulse of energy from a 3rd party, maybe the final desperate last act of the Inquisitor?
Either way, sergeant Kohren is deposited in a strange land, a valley surrounded by what looks like the statues or mummified remains of ancient kings/xenos/daemons. We can't tell whether its a real planet, a daemon world or even real at all. Khoren vomits and the blood immediately coagulates (and we get a great face reveal). The video ends with the valley being put into perspective as the rest of Kohren's impulsor squad materialize on the surrounding pillars. It is revealed that Khoren himself is standing on a pillar himself which puts into perspective the enormous size of the surrounding objects
What i love especially about this series and why I love this part the most is its ramping feel. The process begins with the calm, silent, almost serene boarding action as the assault craft drifts through space towards the heretics ship. The tension builds as the marines fight their way through hordes of well prepared guardsman. You get a false crescendo as they fight for their lives against the powerful psykers and an apparent release of tension upon their victory. This process starts again with the calm entrance to the inner vault, the meditating inquisitor, it ramps up again over the course of the interaction between the spheres/the molestation of the astartes and then the true crescendo transcends into full blown cosmic horror with the reveal of the entity within.
The whole series ends the rest of the marines squad materializing in the valley by putting sergeant Kohren into visual perspective. This unstoppable astartes is rendered a tiny spec in a vast, incomprehensible alien landscape . its just brilliantly done. In my mind this series is over, there is no need for any more exposition. The ending is left deliberately ambiguous as it leaves the audience in the same state as the space marines - utterly confused and shell shocked. We, like the characters have no understanding of what or where this place is or what brought us here. What are these creatures? Are the marines still alive? Does this place really exist? It captures the nature of cosmic horror so completely and so masterfully. In my mind the visions the Inquisitor was shown are a window into the future, the Astartes die on this "world"
Yazima wrote: The video ends with the valley being put into perspective as the rest of Kohren's impulsor squad materialize on the surrounding pillars. It is revealed that Khoren himself is standing on a pillar himself which puts into perspective the enormous size of the surrounding objects
No worries. As for the entities within the seals, they look very reminiscent of the Yu'Vath hive mind crystals that hail from near the Calixis Sector. An ancient empire of Chaos-influenced xenos. I must say, when I first saw the interaction between spheres my mind immediately jumped to the "Tyrant Star" phenomenon from the Calixis Sector. It is also characteristic of the Astartes creator to include lesser known, less distinctive aspects of the setting in his videos. However, I can't help but think it is intended to be an entirely new, unknown entity. He certainly seems to be aiming for the lovecraftian cosmic horror theme which i think is much better suited to a completely unknown, incomprehensible creature
the sphere reminds me of Tuchulcha from the dark angels books in horus heresy and also the gav thorpe books
there is only one sphere in this video. it keeps cutting back and forth between the present and flashback. the inquisitor is searching for the missing squad, by hacking it with his mind, before being possessed and executed. the inquisitor sees quick cuts of what happened to the squad. 4:53 and 4:54
if the sphere is an Abominable Intelligence, as i suspect, the squad is inserting corrupt data discs to destroy it, which failed
at 4:51 i suspect i see necrons
the golden man is just junk in the enemy vaults that they feel has value, clearly the space marine do not
is it already known that this chapter is a successor chapter of the imperial fists?
the corpses on the thrones clearly represent us when we run out of toilet paper
there is only one sphere in this video. it keeps cutting back and forth between the present and flashback. the inquisitor is searching for the missing squad, by hacking it with his mind, before being possessed and executed. the inquisitor sees quick cuts of what happened to the squad. 4:53 and 4:54
Rebel Orb: "Who is here?"
Inquisition Orb: "I have failed."
Rebel Orb: "Brother, we have all failed."
Inquisition Orb: "The Astartes deny our touch. You must return. Break your seal."
Rebel Orb: "Impossible, we'll never survive."
Inquisition Orb: "You must. Take them... (indistinct)"
Inquisitor: "Recall them immediately!"
I base which orb is speaking on which image is shown.
I think the Inquisitor said "The party's in danger!" or "Astartes in danger."
Amazing stuff, I spent all evening re-watching it and diving back into 40K lore for the first time in a long while. I saw a lot of what looked to me like Necron living metal, but I'm completely open to the idea that it was Enslavers or Yu'Vath or Tzeench. Not sure if the plinth the orb is hovering over is supposed to be Blackstone or just black marble, I find the former would be pretty interesting. I keep pausing it right before the marines get suckud against the orb, I don't see anybody talking about this shot but you get a full view of the entity's upper torso for just a moment before it retreats away into darkness. I don't recognize it, material looks like ancient bronze painted black but heavily worn. Looks a lot like a Mogu from Warcraft, honestly.
I think he has very sensibly avoided explication. This means he can focus on the characterisation of the marines, their actions and reactions. Because of this the film is much more evocative and powerful.
Tradtionally 40k and Warhammer were grounded in nameless horrors that defy explanation, immanent, hopelessness, anonymity and dread. This speask to that tradition. Of couse, now we have black library publishing instead.
the sphere reminds me of Tuchulcha from the dark angels books in horus heresy and also the gav thorpe books
there is only one sphere in this video. it keeps cutting back and forth between the present and flashback. the inquisitor is searching for the missing squad, by hacking it with his mind, before being possessed and executed. the inquisitor sees quick cuts of what happened to the squad. 4:53 and 4:54
I thought that on my first watch but then the conversation between the two orbs and the dialogue there doesn't make sense. The scene is much more logical if you interpret the two spheres as communicating with one another. Besides, there are at least 2 spheres confirmed on the Retributors battle barge alone. In the chamber where the Inquisitor is praying you can clearly see a second sphere secured by psychic dampening clamps to the right of the one in focus
if the sphere is an Abominable Intelligence, as i suspect, the squad is inserting corrupt data discs to destroy it, which failed
at 4:51 i suspect i see necrons
It could be abominable intelligence, I doubt it though. The entity within the sphere is shown to have a daemon-like tentacled body, it also has a warp form as shown at 6:13. On that same vein it is very very unlikely to be necron or C'tan neither of which deal in the warp as these entities evidently do. The architecture is skeletal but in my mind thats where the similarities end, in fact, if you pause the video at 4:52 and look at the statue on which they stand you can see it actually have 3 faces: a skeletal one at the front facing the astartes, a second skeletal face on the right and what appears to be a womanly, more beatific face on the left side. That doesn't suggest necron's to me. The 19 figures at 4:51 look at lot like the psykers we see in parts 3 and 4, they have the same shoulder pads and similar looking build/masks.
the golden man is just junk in the enemy vaults that they feel has value, clearly the space marine do not
That doesn't make much sense at all, its clearly a work in progress owning to its half finished state, its surrounded by psychic amplifying devices, the entity claims to its fellow "we have failed", it suggests there was some sort of mission at hand. I strongly suspect that the golden man was likely an aspect of that mission. Most likely granting the entity physical form. Why would a band of cultists and psykers on a void travelling ship randomly start constructing what appears to be a large and complex machine and then place it in a highly secured vault that they gave their lives to defend? I believe that the entity within the sphere was instructing/psychically controlling them how to build the statue
is it already known that this chapter is a successor chapter of the imperial fists?
They are confirmed by the channel creator to be the Retributors chapter, a successor of the Imperial Fists
Sunny Side Up wrote: All kinda missing the trademark black 40K humor to be really 40k.
Pretentious overly serious crap like that just doesn't work for the 40K setting IMO.
Not everything has to be mired in humour. Besides its hard to evoke Lovecraftian horror (which he clearly going for) when you have a joke every few seconds. It wasn't overly gory or dark, exposition was kept to a minimum which creates an uneasy atmosphere. Personally I loved it, I think the Astartes series will stand as a benchmark of what is possible in the vast reaches of our setting. I suspect it will prove to be a highly influential piece of cinema
40k does cosmic horror. I thought it was absolutely wonderful. I’m so glad he didn’t fall into this deplorable modern trend of everything having to be explained in minute detail, thus destroying all sense of mystery, wonder and fear. I’ve no doubt I’ll be watching this a few more times.
I wish GW would inject some of the same feeling into more of its IP.
Yeah, this series was fabulous. The lore was used perfectly for the Astartes and I am a big fan of leaving some things deliberately ambiguous and up to us to interpret. (HW stopped doing this a long time ago, unfortunately.)
The last few scenes on the alien planet reminded me of first seeing the space jockey in Alien.
The man can tell a story. The only slight thing was that the dialogue could have been slightly clearer.
Sgt_Smudge wrote: I think I've finally hit on my reason and feeling for why I prefer Astartes over Death of Hope, amongst many things:
Death of Hope, in many places, relies very strongly on body horror and almost just grimdarkness for the sake of it. The squad of Marines being sucked into the orb with no warning, no hesitation, but the sheer wrongness of it and terror it evoked (for me, at least) represented something far more effective that transcended beyond just 40k.
DoH is an excellent 30k/40k story, but relies on someone to be invested in the setting first. Astartes doesn't need that. You can watch Astartes with very little understanding of the setting, and still be just as clued in to what is happening as a seasoned veteran. I think a great deal of that is down to the creative decision by Astartes' creator to pick on things that are completely unique, or at the very least, not obviously explained in 40k canon. Despite being something that non-fans can enjoy, it's also just incredibly well made and appeals to the hardcore 40k audience by keeping that stoicism, the no-nonsense of the Astartes (love that execution of the fallen Inquisitor/Acolyte).
If GW is to make any media, I'd prefer it be closer to Astartes, which appeals to many more people while keeping that 40k edge, and less like DoH.
I'd say it's more that Death of Hope is poorly directed and has poor pacing and script. Basically it's a showcase of pretty 3D models but a bad piece of film. Astartes has very good cinematography, direction and pacing.
Overread wrote: Ohh is that Eldar in the little post-story clip? That looked like taking damage from potentially a shurikan cannon
Watching this for a second time, I think those actually looked like splinters. Maybe Dark Eldar? When the marine takes the shots, there seem to be small fragments sticking out of his pauldron as he wheels away.
So what exactly is the Inquisitorial soon to be dead fella seeing when he looks at the captain?
First image is a series of robed individuals, and they don't look like marines....more like the 2 psykers that were put down in Ep 4. Behind them is a column of light which matches the gaps in the statues on the next image.
That image shoes the stranded Astartes standing in the palm of one of the massive statues. He then sees those marines getting obliterated with black flame rising vertically.
Anyway, I absolutely love how he has left this so wide open, perfect sci-fi to me.
A very good set of videos. I hope the channel puts them all together into a single video down the road to make repeat viewing a little easier.
I must confess, I couldn't really figure out what was going on with this last one. This thread did shine light on some better possibilities to what happened. At the same time, I didn't mind at all things left unexplained. I even appreciated the fact that creator of Astartes didn't make use of fairly well known xenos, Chaos, etc.
Barzam wrote: Was that a Celestial Lions Marine in the postscript? I hope it was, because that's such an obscure chapter to depict.
doubtful, the chapter insigna is a skeleton hand, not a lion's head.
There's a super quick montage at around 7:12 of some kind of Blood Angels successor, and a black/white Marine with a dragon symbol on the helmet before it cuts to the scene with the predator.
Today I found information that the primarch of the Dark Angels the Lion El Jones, had a similar creature - Tuhulhu
he was also intelligent, spherical and could teleport
Barzam wrote: Was that a Celestial Lions Marine in the postscript? I hope it was, because that's such an obscure chapter to depict.
doubtful, the chapter insigna is a skeleton hand, not a lion's head.
There was an Angel Encarmine at the end of the vid too, and another marien from a chapter with a Reptilian heraldry.
I took me a couple of looks even to see the squad materialising on the pillars at the end, I initially thought they'd all died and only the one guy survived. Well done to who spotted that.
bullyboy wrote: So what exactly is the Inquisitorial soon to be dead fella seeing when he looks at the captain?
First image is a series of robed individuals, and they don't look like marines....more like the 2 psykers that were put down in Ep 4. Behind them is a column of light which matches the gaps in the statues on the next image.
That image shoes the stranded Astartes standing in the palm of one of the massive statues. He then sees those marines getting obliterated with black flame rising vertically.
Anyway, I absolutely love how he has left this so wide open, perfect sci-fi to me.
I believe that the Inquisitor is given a vision of the future, or at least a potential future. Perhaps it is reference to the astartes descent into corruption? The creator has revealed that something happens within the Retributor's chapter history to lead the Imperium to believe that it was destroyed, all contact is severed between the remaining astartes and the Imperium. I strongly suspect these creatures are the reason for this
I think that their future will not change. Because they (the squad) do not know him, and their captain does not know where they and will not be able to save them from fate.
Did anyone else notice there was a third orb chained up to the right and in the background of the chained orb that the =][= psyker/Inquisitor was connected to on the Astartes Ship? It appears to be dead/dormant, or may be empty. Nothing is lit up on it anyway.
Who says this isn't funny?
It fits 40k PERFECTLY imho. It's serious, realistic and at the same time way over the top, with a splash of lovecraftian horror.
I haven't seen a single person NOT laugh at the parts where people get shot to pieces or where
Spoiler:
the inquisitor gets falcon punched and shot for good measure.
It's the hyper violence we have come to expect and love. You can't take it seriously, while at the same time being grim (and badass).
And the cinematography is above and beyond anything else out there, by a country mile. Including death of hope.
Red__Thirst wrote: Did anyone else notice there was a third orb chained up to the right and in the background of the chained orb that the =][= psyker/Inquisitor was connected to on the Astartes Ship? It appears to be dead/dormant, or may be empty. Nothing is lit up on it anyway.
Just thought I'd ask if anyone else noticed it.
Thanks! Take it easy.
-Red__Thirst-
Yeah, I noticed the second sphere on the battle barge. To me it indicates that the Retributors/Inquisition have been pursuing this particular species of entity for a reasonable amount of time
Yes, from the dialogue, I believe they captured or killed the other orbs, and this is the last one "out in the wild," as it were. It clearly has strong psychic powers; I believe it was able to take control of the rebels, but the Astartes are able to resist them.
One thing I noticed, having recently played Battlefleet Gothic Armada again, is that the ship shown at the beginning is not a Space Marine Vessel, but rather an Imperial Navy Domintor or Tyrant class cruiser, Space marines vessels generally have a very different look.
Caradman Sturnn wrote: One thing I noticed, having recently played Battlefleet Gothic Armada again, is that the ship shown at the beginning is not a Space Marine Vessel, but rather an Imperial Navy Domintor or Tyrant class cruiser, Space marines vessels generally have a very different look.
It’s interesting, because episode 1 has a different ship that’s very much Astartes style.
Episode 1 is a Cobra destroyer while marine chapters supposedly use Hunters in that role. Either this particular chapter uses basic imperial navy classes, or the marine es are just using the ships as a temporary base of operations for the mission at hand. The Inquisitor could also have requisitioned both the ships and the marines, but the film doesnt really provide enough information to show who is the senior partner in the enterprise.
I was never big into BFG but the lore on the SM ships changed a bit over time iirc. They started of as straight up Imperial fleet for destroyers / gunboats / frigates etc with a couple of explicitly SM battlebarges / cruisers, and gradually had their own distinct ship patterns added over time.
Flinty wrote: Episode 1 is a Cobra destroyer while marine chapters supposedly use Hunters in that role. Either this particular chapter uses basic imperial navy classes, or the marine es are just using the ships as a temporary base of operations for the mission at hand. The Inquisitor could also have requisitioned both the ships and the marines, but the film doesnt really provide enough information to show who is the senior partner in the enterprise.
From the information around the film that the creator has released it is heavily implied that the inquisition is the senior partner here
Flinty wrote: Episode 1 is a Cobra destroyer while marine chapters supposedly use Hunters in that role. Either this particular chapter uses basic imperial navy classes, or the marine es are just using the ships as a temporary base of operations for the mission at hand. The Inquisitor could also have requisitioned both the ships and the marines, but the film doesnt really provide enough information to show who is the senior partner in the enterprise.
I'm almost certain that the Space Marines on that ship just use it as a temporary base. We see the Strike Cruiser of the Retributors in Part 5.
Can anyone make out what the sphere says after it says "Astartes" when the squad of five Retributor marines first approaches and it uses it's psychic power to try and push them back/stop them from getting any closer?
You can clearly hear "Astartes" but I can't make out the other words spoken after that as the marines continue to advance through the increasingly more powerful layers of psychic barriers/pressure. The orb is clearly speaking or saying something.
Anyone know? I'm watching that part over and over a few times trying to pick out what was said, and also because it's awesome, but the whole thing is carved out of awesome.
No not yet, I'll check it out. I would love to know what the =][=/Psyker that gets pasted by the marines says before he is killed, after standing up. I know he says "Withdraw them immediately!", but it sounds like he's speaking after being attacked prior to being overcome and subsequently pasted by the white helmeted marine veterans.
Yazima wrote: The video ends with the valley being put into perspective as the rest of Kohren's impulsor squad materialize on the surrounding pillars. It is revealed that Khoren himself is standing on a pillar himself which puts into perspective the enormous size of the surrounding objects
Ok that I didn't notice.
Have to check it again.
I've watched it five times and I still can't see "the rest of the squad materializ(ing) on the surrounding pillars"
Yeah, Astartes frigging rocks. As a writer who's somewhat delved into scriptwriting in my class (I'm writing a horror TV show script now but that's very different), I think the writing is excellent in terms of telling a story through visuals without much dialogue and how it starts so simply and slowly weaves the more complex aspects of the story, making it understandable, to me, anyway and allows for a lot of interpretation for the viewer. This was the problem with Death of Hope to me, there's just too much introduced too fast, making it hard to understand, for me anyway. I have to admire all the time and effort poured into Death of Hope, though.
The dark atmosphere of both is amazing and almost palpable and the ending of Astartes is wow.
Excellent work all round, looking forward to seeing more from this channel!
Must be great to be able to create something this vague and utterly lacking in any kind of explanation, and just rely on people to spend hours mapping it out and try to figure out whats the deal.
Well, I suppose everyone likes a good puzzle. Perhaps a smart move so the last episode didnt let the story die after seeing it once.
Great story, and thank you everyone here for explaining the, probable, turn of events. I was like "wait, there was two spheres!?"
I think the plot of Astartes is, at its base, quite simple that the more complex stuff can be ignored when you reduce it to its base components.
Spoiler:
The Astartes are attacking a rebel space vessel as that's what they do.
The defenders are human and seem to be very zealous in their defence (shown by the fact they stand and fight Astartes and when they cut down their own men with the emplacement as they retreat)
The Astartes then have to defeat two quite powerful psykers which defend an entrance to something they must deem important (The psykers interestingly, seem much taller than the human soldiers and almost robotic but that's going into the more complex stuff so I'll stop there).
The Astartes defeat the psykers through some clever tactics and badassery, then enter the door
Inside the door is a strange orb that has power and is blatantly sapient (Also has that body which is being built which seems for it to place its consciousness into and hints the psyker clones are too and are aspects of the consciousness inside the orb, but, again that's complex stuff so I'll stop there)
The Astartes use some technology of sorts to help an Inquisitor get his consciousness into the orb's as well as one they have already have captive. The Inquisitor warns the Astartes something's wrong then he gets found out and either possessed (which is my interpretation) or something else and the Space Marines slaughter him.
The orb activates a defence mechanism that allows it to absorb the Astartes and either sends them to another world or into its own consciousness.
The cliff hanger ending's probably the biggest thing to criticise, I didn't mind it myself, but they can be controversial. I wasn't a big fan of the cliff hanger ending of Warmaster, but that's mostly because I'd been waiting for years since the last one. I'm hoping the series will continue the story, even if it's from a different direction.
the pacing is excellent, you don't need any foreknowledge of the setting to enjoy it(showed it to wife and she dug it), & can take it all at face value.
if they keep the feel of the prior episodes, I cant wait for more.
Racerguy180 wrote: the pacing is excellent, you don't need any foreknowledge of the setting to enjoy it(showed it to wife and she dug it), & can take it all at face value.
if they keep the feel of the prior episodes, I cant wait for more.
This is why I'm absolutely baffled that people think GW should get involved in something like this. Unless you simply mean "loan this guy some money". If GW got involved, the quality of this endeavor would only get worse. It'd be rushed, with a ham-fisted storyline based around selling the latest models, etc. It'd wreak of corporate involvement. I'd much rather see the community support him than have anyone in GW even come near this kind of project.
Proper and true fan art is almost always better than big-company sales gimmick stuff.
Adrassil wrote: The defenders are human and seem to be very zealous in their defence (shown by the fact they stand and fight Astartes and when they cut down their own men with the emplacement as they retreat)
I think it's not so much cutting down the retreating troops, and more that a marine target became available and shooting that target was more important than not shooting their retreating troops.
Note that They didn't fire until the marine unmasked even though their colleagues were clearly in view for a while beforehand.
Adrassil wrote: The defenders are human and seem to be very zealous in their defence (shown by the fact they stand and fight Astartes and when they cut down their own men with the emplacement as they retreat)
I think it's not so much cutting down the retreating troops, and more that a marine target became available and shooting that target was more important than not shooting their retreating troops.
Note that They didn't fire until the marine unmasked even though their colleagues were clearly in view for a while beforehand.
I quite liked that. It felt very 40k that they showed a mentality of "we won't kill you for no reason but your life isn't so valuable we'll give up a few seconds of shooting time."
Adrassil wrote: The defenders are human and seem to be very zealous in their defence (shown by the fact they stand and fight Astartes and when they cut down their own men with the emplacement as they retreat)
I think it's not so much cutting down the retreating troops, and more that a marine target became available and shooting that target was more important than not shooting their retreating troops.
Note that They didn't fire until the marine unmasked even though their colleagues were clearly in view for a while beforehand.
Yeah, I got that, thought it went without saying. Still 'cut' them down, though pretty frigging ruthless.
Not sure if this has been discussed yet but have we had Games Workshop's reactions to this project? They've already hired one fan to make a film for them (Angels of Death), I could definitely see them picking up this guy for more works.
Adrassil wrote: Yeah, Astartes frigging rocks. As a writer who's somewhat delved into scriptwriting in my class (I'm writing a horror TV show script now but that's very different), I think the writing is excellent in terms of telling a story through visuals without much dialogue and how it starts so simply and slowly weaves the more complex aspects of the story, making it understandable, to me, anyway and allows for a lot of interpretation for the viewer. This was the problem with Death of Hope to me, there's just too much introduced too fast, making it hard to understand, for me anyway. I have to admire all the time and effort poured into Death of Hope, though.
The dark atmosphere of both is amazing and almost palpable and the ending of Astartes is wow.
Excellent work all round, looking forward to seeing more from this channel!
I went and watched Death of Hope based entirely on this thread.
Honestly.. Other than solid visuals, it has nothing going for it. Whomever made it has no idea about pacing, story telling, or anything that actually makes media fun to consume. It's pretty but boring & confusing at best. And at worst, it's outright pornographic in plenty of places.
Adrassil wrote: Yeah, Astartes frigging rocks. As a writer who's somewhat delved into scriptwriting in my class (I'm writing a horror TV show script now but that's very different), I think the writing is excellent in terms of telling a story through visuals without much dialogue and how it starts so simply and slowly weaves the more complex aspects of the story, making it understandable, to me, anyway and allows for a lot of interpretation for the viewer. This was the problem with Death of Hope to me, there's just too much introduced too fast, making it hard to understand, for me anyway. I have to admire all the time and effort poured into Death of Hope, though.
The dark atmosphere of both is amazing and almost palpable and the ending of Astartes is wow.
Excellent work all round, looking forward to seeing more from this channel!
I went and watched Death of Hope based entirely on this thread.
Honestly.. Other than solid visuals, it has nothing going for it. Whomever made it has no idea about pacing, story telling, or anything that actually makes media fun to consume. It's pretty but boring & confusing at best. And at worst, it's outright pornographic in plenty of places.
Death of hope(for me at least) really expresses the early view of chaos. it has the feel of the Realm of Chaos & Slaves to Darkness but with the story development of the HH series. It really helps to look at DOH as the HH but if it was fleshed out in Rogue Trader.
I like both for the same reasons and for differing ones as well.
DOH is unnervingly beautiful but does require foreknowledge to understand what's going on. The pit fighting scene really smacks home the notion of just how khornate the WE had become in such a short time. Remember WE colors are actually Blue & White, the only reason they're red is blood & viscera that's never been cleaned.
The Shadow crusade
Astartes is one of the best portrayals of how cold, calculated & precise they are in prosecuting the Emperors Wrath. When they dispatch the "resistance" from their boarding action it shows that they have done this for possibly centuries, on countless ships, countless times.
Death of hope(for me at least) really expresses the early view of chaos. it has the feel of the Realm of Chaos & Slaves to Darkness but with the story development of the HH series. It really helps to look at DOH as the HH but if it was fleshed out in Rogue Trader.
DOH is unnervingly beautiful but does require foreknowledge to understand what's going on. The pit fighting scene really smacks home the notion of just how khornate the WE had become in such a short time. Remember WE colors are actually Blue & White, the only reason they're red is blood & viscera that's never been cleaned.
I'm familiar enough with the lore to understand what's going on.
Even excusing it for that (which is fine in context), it's objectively bad. The story has no beats and no pacing. Characters are not introduced or sufficiently built to give any stakes or investment within the context itself. It starkly pinwheels with no real levity. It's not an exaggeration to say that the faceless marines in Astartes have more characterization.
It's purely spectacle. And while that's fine (I love me some Pacific Rim), the fact that it takes itself seriously and tries to have substance detracts from what it could be good at.
Porn is obviously short-hand for sex media, but something can be pornographic without going anywhere near sex.
The SAW films, especially past the first one, are pornographic. Specifically they're torture porn. Hostel is also torture porn. Alien Covenant is a recent example of a movie which is (mild) gore porn (gorn), and one which I even enjoyed.. Basically, gratuitous displays of something A-typical tends to be pornographic. This is especially true when it's done for shock value, but is generally applicable even if it's not.
In Death of Hope, the pornographic sections are the living torso hanging above the door, and also the mother-child-thing.
With regards to the torso, we spend over two minutes of video time being shown every angle and detail of its existence. The lack of legs, the knifes skewered through the body, the hooks stretching flesh, the torn away lips, the forced open eyes which cannot blink. Ect, ect. A single shot would be able to convey all of this information accurately, but instead the camera spans (very slowly) around the entire 'person' to show us every lurid detail. It quickly stops being 'horrifying' and just becomes lurid.
For this kind of thing "done right," I'd advise the final Medical scene in Event Horizon. We're given a very similar shot of someone's fate, but it's an utterly horrifying display in part because it's so fast (less than 10 seconds). This allows the viewers imagination to carry the image on afterwards.
The second example is going to be the mother-child thing. There's not much to say about this, as it's very much the same. We spend minutes of screen time viewing every angle and every horrific detail of her fate, and it's supposed to shock and horrify us. But it doesn't carry any weight, and the enormous display simply becomes boring and eye-rolling.
In both cases, these are characters which exist purely to suffer these fates. The half-marine has no name and exists only to yell a single name which sparks a scene transition. The woman and child serve absolutely no purpose; they had a brief running scene, and she was shouting "Don't kill my baby!" in the preview. She, and the child, are not characters; they're scenery. Both examples exist purely to provide shock value from how horrific their fates are, but it doesn't deliver due to the over-focus vs lack of investment.
As a writer, it's the viewing equivalent of purple prose. Overt and overblown detail given to unimportant aspects of the story, serving only to draw attention to itself.
I say this as someone who objectively loves body horror. Chaos spawn, chaos mutations, all that? Awesome. The Thing is one of my favorite movies & concepts. None of this offended or bothered me, it really just bored me.
morganfreeman wrote: Porn is obviously short-hand for sex media, but something can be pornographic without going anywhere near sex.
You had me check Wikipedia but it says :
"Pornography (often shortened to porn) is the portrayal of sexual subject matter for the exclusive purpose of sexual arousal."
morganfreeman wrote: Porn is obviously short-hand for sex media, but something can be pornographic without going anywhere near sex.
You had me check Wikipedia but it says :
"Pornography (often shortened to porn) is the portrayal of sexual subject matter for the exclusive purpose of sexual arousal."
Honestly, wikipedia is usually not exactly the best source. Try Merriam-Webster, for example (you're looking up words, so best use an actual dictionary):
What is pornography?
For many people, any attempt to define the word pornography calls to mind the oft-quoted line from Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in 1964: “. . . I know it when I see it.” While compilers of dictionaries might wish to be granted such latitude in explaining the meaning of certain words, they are held to a higher standard. Pornography, which has been used in English since the middle of the 19th century, comes from the Greek pornographos (“writing about prostitutes”), and initially referred to visual or written matter designed to cause sexual arousal, a meaning that is still the most common one employed today. Pornography has taken on an additional, non-sexualized, sense: one that refers to a depiction of sensational material (such as violence) in order to elicit a reaction. The phrase “pornography of violence,” for example, began to be used in the early 1950s.
See also phrases such as "food porn", "misery porn", et cetĕra.
morganfreeman wrote: I went and watched Death of Hope based entirely on this thread.
Honestly.. Other than solid visuals, it has nothing going for it. Whomever made it has no idea about pacing, story telling, or anything that actually makes media fun to consume. It's pretty but boring & confusing at best. And at worst, it's outright pornographic in plenty of places.
That's my thoughts on the matter. It's a very well made slideshow of grim art. There's not really a story behind it. Obviously, that could change in time, but right now, it's not a story.
morganfreeman wrote: I went and watched Death of Hope based entirely on this thread.
Honestly.. Other than solid visuals, it has nothing going for it. Whomever made it has no idea about pacing, story telling, or anything that actually makes media fun to consume. It's pretty but boring & confusing at best. And at worst, it's outright pornographic in plenty of places.
That's my thoughts on the matter. It's a very well made slideshow of grim art. There's not really a story behind it. Obviously, that could change in time, but right now, it's not a story.
I'd say it's a good summary of everything "wrong" with people who pine for more grimdark.
Darkness is not about visuals. If you slather people with detailed torture and pain it'll be dark for only a short time, after which it becomes the norm and boring. You have to have investment in characters, or at least a investment in narrative / setting, to elicit a proper emotional response.
DoH is a lovely example because it has no discernible characterization and the narrative (or what attempts are made to have one) obviously exist to rail-road the viewer from one 'grim' scene to the next. So it strikes me as what I thought 'dark' storytelling was back when I was 14.
I mean, pointing to a bad execution of a concept and pretending that single example is actually representative of the concept itself is certainly a way to sound like you've won an argument, but it's also completely disingenuous nonsense.
I'm very much in favour of "more grimdark" in modern GW's output, but I also thought DoH was pretty cringey at times and much preferred Astartes, which was extremely grimdark(or is people exploding into showers of gore as they're exterminated by merciless walking tanks who subsequently get slowly sucked into an extradimensional horror and deposited on a nightmare world not grimdark now? ).
Yodhrin wrote: I mean, pointing to a bad execution of a concept and pretending that single example is actually representative of the concept itself is certainly a way to sound like you've won an argument, but it's also completely disingenuous nonsense.
I'm very much in favour of "more grimdark" in modern GW's output, but I also thought DoH was pretty cringey at times and much preferred Astartes, which was extremely grimdark(or is people exploding into showers of gore as they're exterminated by merciless walking tanks who subsequently get slowly sucked into an extradimensional horror and deposited on a nightmare world not grimdark now? ).
You seem to think I'm actually engaging in an argument, and that from there I'm setting up a strawman to make it seem that I've won an argument. I'm doing neither; but by trying to represent that as what I am doing, you're just doing it yourself because you take.. I don't know.. I guess offense to what I said? 40k has always been fairly gratuitous, as well as satirical, with its grim darkness I'm quite fond of that. Although in retrospect, I see how stating that 'darkness' requires more than just graphic images - specifically characterization and plot structure - could get some serious blowback on a place like Dakkadakka.
Saying that I think a noticeable margin of people misunderstand what makes 'darkness' in media (be that film, literature, or what have you) doesn't mean I don't enjoy the genuine article. Not only am I quite fond of 'dark' media, but I can even hop on board with some of the more pulpy stuff from time to time. Also, I thoroughly enjoyed Astartes (as I've stated).
Yodhrin wrote: I mean, pointing to a bad execution of a concept and pretending that single example is actually representative of the concept itself is certainly a way to sound like you've won an argument, but it's also completely disingenuous nonsense.
I'm very much in favour of "more grimdark" in modern GW's output, but I also thought DoH was pretty cringey at times and much preferred Astartes, which was extremely grimdark(or is people exploding into showers of gore as they're exterminated by merciless walking tanks who subsequently get slowly sucked into an extradimensional horror and deposited on a nightmare world not grimdark now? ).
You seem to think I'm actually engaging in an argument, and that from there I'm setting up a strawman to make it seem that I've won an argument. I'm doing neither; but by trying to represent that as what I am doing, you're just doing it yourself because you take.. I don't know.. I guess offense to what I said? 40k has always been fairly gratuitous, as well as satirical, with its grim darkness I'm quite fond of that. Although in retrospect, I see how stating that 'darkness' requires more than just graphic images - specifically characterization and plot structure - could get some serious blowback on a place like Dakkadakka.
Saying that I think a noticeable margin of people misunderstand what makes 'darkness' in media (be that film, literature, or what have you) doesn't mean I don't enjoy the genuine article. Not only am I quite fond of 'dark' media, but I can even hop on board with some of the more pulpy stuff from time to time. Also, I thoroughly enjoyed Astartes (as I've stated).
Engaging in an argument and making an argument are related but distinct. You were doing the latter, and you were indeed setting up a strawman to make it look like your position was the right one. You're doing it again there, when you try and insinuate my response is being driven by offence, and so emotion, and so isn't actually a valid and reasonable reply. And again when you restate your initial nonsense as something beyond challenge except, of course, here on Dakka, where its evil hivemind cannot be reasoned with
What you said was that "people who pine for more grimdark" could be summarised by the quoted sentiment, which to refresh your memory was "[they have] no idea about pacing, story telling, or anything that actually makes media fun to consume", that what they're "pining" for is "boring & confusing at best" and is at worst "outright pornographic".
If you didn't actually intend for the opinion to expressed to apply to everyone who would prefer some unspecified amount more grimdark than is presently presented by GW's IPs, then you worded your argument poorly and could simply admit that without snark. If you did, then my original criticism stands.
Engaging in an argument and making an argument are related but distinct. You were doing the latter, and you were indeed setting up a strawman to make it look like your position was the right one. You're doing it again there, when you try and insinuate my response is being driven by offence, and so emotion, and so isn't actually a valid and reasonable reply. And again when you restate your initial nonsense as something beyond challenge except, of course, here on Dakka, where its evil hivemind cannot be reasoned with
What you said was that "people who pine for more grimdark" could be summarised by the quoted sentiment, which to refresh your memory was "[they have] no idea about pacing, story telling, or anything that actually makes media fun to consume", that what they're "pining" for is "boring & confusing at best" and is at worst "outright pornographic".
If you didn't actually intend for the opinion to expressed to apply to everyone who would prefer some unspecified amount more grimdark than is presently presented by GW's IPs, then you worded your argument poorly and could simply admit that without snark. If you did, then my original criticism stands.
Except your entire premise about my 'arguments' is based on the death of objectivity. Like wise, your accusations of strawmanning are based on my attempts to (briefly) explain aspects of storytelling & narrative, as well as comparing between something which is narrative or story driven vs a "fluff" piece which is just there for fun and spectacle. This is where my assumption that I've offended you comes from; because you decided to try and sling mud when I'm stating why I didn't enjoy something, and then talking a little about aspects of story in media.
I even take steps to clarify that there's nothing inherently wrong with this stuff. Do note that when I referred to everything 'wrong' with those who pine for grimdark, I took the time to put the potentially offensive term (wrong) in quotes. Because I'm not stating it's wrong in the objective sense of being bad / indefensible, I'm saying wrong in that they may not grasp elements of story or depth. This is also why I circle back around to what constitute "dark" story telling for me when I was younger. Because as I've aged - and as most people age - my understanding of media shifted from entirely superficial to being somewhat rooted in the subtext / message.
I'm really not understanding where you got the impression that I'm trying to use DoH's poor execution as a facade to dismiss.. Anything other than DOH. I went so far as to say that I enjoy fluff pieces (Pacific Rim) which exist purely for spectacle, as well as some legitimately bad pieces of film (Alien Covenant).
Just about the only solid 'argument' I've stated is that Astartes is objectively better than DoH. A point which we seem to agree on. I don't actually see where you're getting on my case from. I enjoy 40k as a setting and I also enjoy grimdark as a.. er.. genre? Not sure how to quantify that one. I simply made a comment that darkness is tied to more than just visuals about pain; that narrative and other elements of a story give it weight and make it effective. I could write up a whole essay on why characterization and narrative is critical to getting emotional response in a work, but I honestly can't be asked for something like this. Without trying to define your position, my best interpretation of where you're coming from is that you took offense to that comment as a dismissal of all 'grimdark' and are now trying to say that I'm dismissing the.. Uhm.. Well I guess genre, as I said before?
You two are arguing over a concept/style/tone that has no agreed-upon meaning ("grimdark").
I wish the Astartes guy would publish a single cut of all the episodes combined. That would make it so much easier to show people who might dig it but don't have much of a stake in 40K ephemera.
BrookM wrote: Quite, kindly take that discussion to the PM's or a topic of its own.
As for a single cut, one can always nicely ask the creator to do this, or maybe it's already done up and will be uploaded at a later date.
FWIW, I know that the creator said back when hackers took it over that he uses the channel to supplement his income. Five views of shorter content generates more income than one single longer view unfortunately so he's at a financial disincentive to do so. That's a reasonable reason to keep them separated IMO even though I too as a viewer would prefer a single viewing as well. YMMV.
Awesome as always. I'm really happy to see Tyranids !
If you pause the video during each second, you can notice many little details which are quite awesome. In the first Astartes series, you could see SM as inhuman killing machines. In this short teaser, you see them on the receiving end.
For example, during the "tyranid part", the SM at the forefront has a wrecked/ripped off right arm. The one right behind him is missing a goddamn leg. Only the one in the back seems to not be injured.
porkuslime wrote: and 3 orks can take down one Marine.. well, 5 Orks.. minus 2 that the Marine took out..
I thought that was done very well - he deals with a Ork individually with ease - parrying and smashing the second one that attacks him from behind but is then jumped on by several - good stuff.
I found the vid hidden in a cached segment of reddit. I made a short gif of the orc encounter that lasts 2.5 seconds at normal speed, but i s.owed it down to 50% to show the brutality two ork craniums endure from a spaz marinez fist.
Click the image to see the slow motion gif.
My apologies for the image hosting. I cant log on to imgur for some reason, so this will have to do.
The entire preview video is only 16 seconds long, so the action is pretty frenetic. Marines shooting, tyranids attacking, orkish assault.
This was a patrons only video posted on his Patreon. Leaking it was a really low thing to do as it devalues to point of being a patron and so threatens the funds needed for the project.
It’s also just downright rude to take a creator’s content and post it around without their permission.
There isn't much to be done about it once it's out there, I posted the link after it appeared on a Discord server I use. I was not aware that it was a private Patreon video.
At any rate, I've subbed in to his Patreon now - it's a steal at $2 p/m! If folk are hanging around here, they should probably be doing the same.
Eiríkr wrote: There isn't much to be done about it once it's out there, I posted the link after it appeared on a Discord server I use. I was not aware that it was a private Patreon video.
At any rate, I've subbed in to his Patreon now - it's a steal at $2 p/m! If folk are hanging around here, they should probably be doing the same.
Very true and it’s great that you’re supporting him. I’d urge other folks on here to do the same.
Like you say, $2 per month is a bargain.
