So yes, there will be MOAR Marines, and that ain't gonna change.

But beyond that, if you were in charge what specific kits would you make a priority for 2021?

For me the most glaring hole is the IG line. Most of the regiments are OOP, Catachans are mail order only and both plastic sets are old enough to join the army themselves.

My hope is for a Necromunda-like release with each regiment getting an infantry kit.

What else should GW prioritize replacing and expanding?

Eldar.

Guard don't need more model kits, they need a complete overhaul of how the faction works. Until there's an actual, meaningful difference between Catachan and Cadian and Tallarn and Vostroyan models? New kits mean jack. Wishlist for them all you want, but you need to accept that.

Revamp Eldar - new guardians (that kit is ancient) and aspect warriors.

Dark Eldar - revamp to remove the remaining finecast stuff and add back in some of the missing HQ options (archon on jetbike, etc).

Do both in the same year, call it the clash of ancient kindred or something similarly pretentious.

I'd love to see Dark Eldar get some of the stuff back that they've lost over the years, and get some new releases in general. After that, maybe plastic Aspect Warriors, and then maybe some new Guard infantry units.

Sisters of battle.

Yes, they replaced all the old units in new plastic and yes they gave us some new kits and datasheets, all fine and dandy.

If it had been done ten years ago.

The army is still missing some significant pieces and could absolutely do with a second wave of models.

Why speculate, it's just going to be EVEN MOAR MARIEENZ!

I'd agree, with regards to the Imperium line, that the one that needs the most attention atm are Imperial Guard. The core infantry kits haven't aged well at all, especially when you've seen modern equivalents in BSF, and recent Necromunda kits showing that GW is more than capable of doing a multi-faceted kit to handle various regiment types.

Eldar are the next big one, since a huge chunk of their range is ancient and in resin. New aspect warriors are a given, ideally with each of their Phoenix Lords being updated as well. It's also shocking they still haven't released plastic Warlocks or a Seer Council kit of some sort yet.

There's some teasers for this already, but I feel like there should be HQ's or HQ variants that are long overdue to be released (with corresponding new datasheets if necessary). For example, Big Mek with KFF in plastic and an actual Warboss model that isn't just Grukk Face-Rippa, that ideally has a Mega-Armour option. Mad Dok Grotsnik direly needs an update compared to his Orky contemporaries. I could see this being part of a splash release that gives plastic kit updates to Kommandos/Tankbustas, alongside maaaybe Deffkoptas, since they're also still bizarrely available only as that ancient metal/finecast model.

Dark Eldar need some actual options for their HQ's. Having a "lieutenant" equivalent for each subfaction (Dracon for Kabals, Succubus Jr. for Cults, Haemonculus minor for Coven), or even just different equipment options beyond their immediate kits. Having Archon/Succubi on jetbikes/hover boards would make taking multiples at least different than a complete tax.

Get rid of the last finecast from the Nid range, and replace the Gaunt sprues (may necessitate a dedicated Ripper kit).

By no means the faction aching for replacements the most but it's a small-ish scale release that would make them a "complete" range.

Dark Eldar need a ton of gaps filled, they've lost a lot of stuff, some of them rather inherently core units, and that needs to be addressed.

The remaining Eldar 2E/3E sculpts, and 4E metals/finecast, need to be looked at. The vehicles honestly I think are all still fine, the Falcon holds up as well today as it did in 1996, but others...not so much.

Guard regiments obviously. Most of the metals are OOP except the Steel Legion Infantry Squad set, the Catachans scultps are both ancient and simply awful models (though admittedly less so for the more recent releases we've seen), and honestly I can't actually recall ever having seen someone play an IG army in person using Catachan models in the entire time I've played this game. I've seen people use catachans as plague zombies, cultists, traitors, etc, but not that I can remember as Guardsmen. The only time I've seen people play "catachans" is 8E for the doctrine bonuses to be perfectly honest, usually using some different model range. The current Cadians are passable if you swap on different heads, but are still 18 year old kits and all their faces look like they're battling intense constipation. The only newer lines are the now-OOP Vostroyans, the also OOP Elysians, and the partially OOP DKoK if I'm remembering correctly.

Tyranid Shrikes need to be a thing again, ideally with Warriors sporting a 3+ and Shrikes getting a 4+, those models were always rad. Some other kits could probably due with updating.

The Eldar line definitely needs a switch to plastic, it would be nice to see it get some new units as well while they were at it.

I'll always take more tanks & vehicles for IG as well - and the infantry could use a fresh face.

I want to say Eldar- but with the current style, I'm nervous what we'd get. I like the sculpts- aside from the new Banshees and Jain-Zar.

I would be perfectly happy with GW producing the current failcast kits in metal again, doing a little re-tooling on some molds, and walking away.

Aspect Warriors...and Mandrakes

Agreeing with the masses, for 40K Eldar are in the most dire need (see the pun there!) of a major rework. A lot of older plastics and finecast that could do with a huge facelift.


After Eldar I'd welcome GW perhaps having some attention to the Imperial Guard. After seeing the Warcry and Necromunda kits I'd really love them to explore the different guard regiments again with regimental boxes. A block of core troops, heavy weapon teams, sergents etc... all in one box themed around one of the worlds, not just Cadia and Catatchan. I think GW could release half a dozen such boxes and give IG some of the variety that they had way back in the era of metal. They don't need to redo the tanks or most of the rest of the line, just the core infantry like that.

If they wanted they could put regimental insignia and upgrade icons into the troopbox as well so that players who wanted too could decorate their tanks.



Tyranids I'd like to see the Pyrovore/Biovore and lictor/deathleaper come out in plastic kits - I'd wager 3 models in each kit just like the zoanthrope and other kits. That would leave Tyranids all plastic barring one hero and leave them pretty modern all around. The only weakness then that I'd like to see fixed is giving gaunts a revamp with no more split heads and perhaps even introducing some of the weapons like spike rifles into the gaunt kit.



Right now I get the feeling that Eldar are the new Sisters of Battle; however once they are done we are into a world where its more a case of adding to armies and bringing them up in smaller stages; where huge reworks are nice but not "needed" to bring an army up to modern standards.
Things like adding shrieks to tyranids or restoring some of the heros that we lost when GW shifted to "no models no rules" (where they cut a good number from quite a few codex because those heroes never had a model).

Yeah Mandrakes need a revamp, as good as they are every DE player would buy a couple boxes. Grotesques... we are just used to convert them I think, I don't even remember how that awful model looks.
Court members and Beastmaster and friends... well, they need a place in the army first, and then a model.

But I would prefer more variety for my army, new HQ equipment and special weapons units (trueborn, bloodbrides...) back.

Aspect Warriors...and Mandrakes leaping off of decorative rocks.

Fixed that for you.

But yes. We do need those! Also - I actually forgot there are so many units still in finecast. I think anything in finecast should be prioritized regardless of army. Maybe do a few months of releases that are aimed at just eliminating finecast.

Everything in FAILCAST the fact that GW are still selling that is wilful negligence at this point when you have to put more material in gates and sprue than in the dang model you know the medium is

If they can justify plastic sprues for Primaris LT Jimbob 17, they can certainly justify it for upgrade sprues and Independent Charictors.

Every remaining metal model needs to be replaced with a plastic version except the Iron Warriors warsmith, for fluff reasons.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Every remaining metal model needs to be replaced with a plastic version except the Iron Warriors warsmith, for fluff reasons.

I'll take metal models over failcast any day of the week.

Plus always nice to scare the newbies with how much your Models weigh compaire to theirs.

 Vaktathi wrote:

Guard regiments obviously. Most of the metals are OOP except the Steel Legion Infantry Squad set, the Catachans scultps are both ancient and simply awful models (though admittedly less so for the more recent releases we've seen), and honestly I can't actually recall ever having seen someone play an IG army in person using Catachan models in the entire time I've played this game. I've seen people use catachans as plague zombies, cultists, traitors, etc, but not that I can remember as Guardsmen. The only time I've seen people play "catachans" is 8E for the doctrine bonuses to be perfectly honest, usually using some different model range. The current Cadians are passable if you swap on different heads, but are still 18 year old kits and all their faces look like they're battling intense constipation. The only newer lines are the now-OOP Vostroyans, the also OOP Elysians, and the partially OOP DKoK if I'm remembering correctly.

I use Catachan models, but mostly the old metals as they're better (even if only slightly) than the plastics.

But yes, I would love to see new Guard models, though I'd be fine waiting through Eldar releases beforehand.

Denegaar wrote:Yeah Mandrakes need a revamp, as good as they are every DE player would buy a couple boxes. Grotesques... we are just used to convert them I think, I don't even remember how that awful model looks.

That was exactly my thoughts. The finecast Mandrakes are awful, but the unit itself is very good (particularly in 9th), and I think they would sell really well. Grotesques, while also good and in crappy finecast, are very easy to kitbash with Crypt Horrors etc, so I don't think they would do as well.

Tycho wrote:

Aspect Warriors...and Mandrakes leaping off of decorative rocks.

Fixed that for you.

But yes. We do need those! Also - I actually forgot there are so many units still in finecast. I think anything in finecast should be prioritized regardless of army. Maybe do a few months of releases that are aimed at just eliminating finecast.

A worthy fix....ABSOLUTELY leaping off rocks

I wonder if revamped Mandrakes could double as something else in AoS?

I wonder if revamped Mandrakes could double as something else in AoS?

I could see them being something for Deepkin maybe?

Tycho wrote:

I wonder if revamped Mandrakes could double as something else in AoS?

I could see them being something for Deepkin maybe?

The concept behind Mandrakes is present in the Doomfire Warlocks, which are Daughters of Khaine.

I agree that I'd make the overall plan for the year moving Finecast over to plastic, along with a few low-hanging fruit that really should've been picked by now - a Shining Spears box based on the new Jetbike, for example, at 3 for £35.

Would just take a new sprue to upgrade the riders, including Exarch options. I'd take a SS Phoenix Lord, as well, though I suspect that'd be a character blister, rather than an upgrade option.

DE need at least a secondary generic character for each branch of the army (assuming that structure remains), a Grotesque kit with more than one pose, Mandrakes, and then some new unit options.

For Tyranids, Pyrovore/Biovore and Lictor/Deathleaper in boxes of 3 makes sense.

IG? One reworked Regiment (to test the waters - I'd lean towards Tallarn, or a Mordian/Praetorian set, myself), plus the return of Rough Riders.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Eldar.

Guard don't need more model kits, they need a complete overhaul of how the faction works. Until there's an actual, meaningful difference between Catachan and Cadian and Tallarn and Vostroyan models? New kits mean jack. Wishlist for them all you want, but you need to accept that.

Just because it's your little soapbox, Kan, doesn't mean anyone else has to accept your theory of how things should be.


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 harlokin wrote:

Denegaar wrote:Yeah Mandrakes need a revamp, as good as they are every DE player would buy a couple boxes. Grotesques... we are just used to convert them I think, I don't even remember how that awful model looks.

That was exactly my thoughts. The finecast Mandrakes are awful, but the unit itself is very good (particularly in 9th), and I think they would sell really well. Grotesques, while also good and in crappy finecast, are very easy to kitbash with Crypt Horrors etc, so I don't think they would do as well.

Question on the Mandrakes, btw - is it the design of them that's a problem, or just the material?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So yes, there will be MOAR Marines, and that ain't gonna change.

But beyond that, if you were in charge what specific kits would you make a priority for 2021?

For me the most glaring hole is the IG line. Most of the regiments are OOP, Catachans are mail order only and both plastic sets are old enough to join the army themselves.

My hope is for a Necromunda-like release with each regiment getting an infantry kit.

What else should GW prioritize replacing and expanding?

Eldar, eldar, eldar. They have most gaping holes in the model line, in the story and the most rules/points problems. Bar nothing.

My hope is that they continue to produce only marine kits, so as to drive away all the criers. That way those of us left can play the game in peace.

New guard kits would be nice, along with an update for Tyranids.

Eldar should just be squatted, they're not in power armor anyways.

 Dysartes wrote:


Question on the Mandrakes, btw - is it the design of them that's a problem, or just the material?

Unpopular opinion....I wouldn't be sad to see the back of the WoW Demon Hunter look....and they look a bit small now compared to the newer sculpts.

The main issue though is the the horrible finecast material. I was building some last month, and I honestly struggled to tell the difference between what was supposed to be detail and what was flash from the moulding

Unpopular opinion....I wouldn't be sad to see the back of the WoW Demon Hunter look....and they look a bit small now compared to the newer sculpts.

The main issue though is the the horrible finecast material. I was building some last month, and I honestly struggled to tell the difference between what was supposed to be detail and what was flash from the moulding

Semi-agree. I think they have the same issue as a lot of the older models in that they now feel too small for what they should be. Also agree they need to be plastic. I'm actually fine with the general design, but with the new plastics we could get a much better pose out of them. Something that really shows them materialising out of shadow for example ...

 harlokin wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:


Question on the Mandrakes, btw - is it the design of them that's a problem, or just the material?

Unpopular opinion....I wouldn't be sad to see the back of the WoW Demon Hunter look....and they look a bit small now compared to the newer sculpts.

The main issue though is the the horrible finecast material. I was building some last month, and I honestly struggled to tell the difference between what was supposed to be detail and what was flash from the moulding

I can understand the material being an issue - and if they were transition to plastic, a little embiggening wouldn't be a bad thing.

Would you say the current look is an improvement on the originals, though?

Would you say the current look is an improvement on the originals, though?

I sure as heck would!

 Dysartes wrote:


Would you say the current look is an improvement on the originals, though?

Oh, yes...the current sculpts look like shadowy Aeldari-Daemon hybrids, which what they are supposed to be. The older version had a BDSM-Coven sort of vibe as far as I recall?

Oh, yes...the current sculpts look like shadowy Aeldari-Daemon hybrids, which what they are supposed to be. The older version had a BDSM-Coven sort of vibe as far as I recall?

I actually had to look them up just now to refresh my memory. Your description is accurate.

 harlokin wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:


Would you say the current look is an improvement on the originals, though?

Oh, yes...the current sculpts look like shadowy Aeldari-Daemon hybrids, which what they are supposed to be. The older version had a BDSM-Coven sort of vibe as far as I recall?

Basically. They were poorly detailed models with pistol and hand claws. Most looked terrible and they didn't do much that other units didn't.

The 'new' ones are a bit too D&D drow/warcraft emo hunters, but at least they aren't terrible sculpts, and do something different from other units in the book.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Eldar.

Guard don't need more model kits, they need a complete overhaul of how the faction works. Until there's an actual, meaningful difference between Catachan and Cadian and Tallarn and Vostroyan models? New kits mean jack. Wishlist for them all you want, but you need to accept that.

Quoting this for effect.

You cannot, and should not, advocate for Guard to remain the same bland mess they have been for the past decades.
You want Tallarn, Tanith, Catachan, etc? Cool. Make the models mean something. They don't look like they deserve a 5+ armor save currently.
Cadians and Vostroyans? They look too heavily armored!
Special and heavy weapons are another big issue: some of them(Tallarn and Tanith) actually had 'signature' weapons back in the Doctrine days that allowed for them to forego a Heavy Weapons Team to add a single Sniper Rifle to the squad while retaining their Special Weapon options. Jungle Fighters(the signature Catachan doctrine) forebade you from taking Lascannons but you could replace a HWT with a Heavy Flamer instead.


It's all well and good to talk about WarCry or Necromunda...but that situation doesn't apply to Guard. The whole list is and has been a mess since the Doctrines book went away.
A lot of the 'specialness' of the subfactions was present in those Doctrines. Jungle Fighters got a 6+ save but received a 4+ Cover save when in forest or jungle, infiltrate if they deploy in woods/jungle, could see 12" through forest/jungle, and moved at full speed through that same. It couldn't ever be combined with Cameloline(adding 1 to Cover save) or Carapace Armor(4+ armor save).
Light Infantry got you +1 dice when rolling your move through difficult terrain, infiltration if the mission permitted, and prohibited Mechanized or Carapace.
And then there was the fact that Doctrine points actually had to be expended to 'unlock' certain units from the codex army roster. Things like Ratlings, Stormtroopers, Ogryn, Special Weapon Squads, Heavy Weapon Platoons, etc were all 'locked' by default if you used a Doctrine.

Until actual, meaningful developments are made with regards to the Guard Infantry? New kits are frigging pointless. The book needs to start being somewhat restrictive or encouraging of thematic forces rather than just 'take whatever you want and it gets <Regiment>!'.


In an ideal world?
Catachans, Tallarn, and Cadians would both get the ability to have a Vanguard Detachment consisting of your Warlord and an appropriate 'Veterans' unit(a scouty-styled veteran unit for Tallarn and Catachans and a Kasrkin/Grenadier style for Cadians) refund you as though it was one of the 'core' ones.
Conscripts wouldn't count towards your 'mandatory' Troop choices unless you were playing Valhallans.
Steel Legion, Cadians, and Tallarn would get Spearheads refunding you as though 'Core' if you had a Tank Commander as your Warlord with LRBTs.
Mordians, Steel Legion, Cadians get a Vanguard detachment bonus with the 'standard' Infantry Veterans.

Heavy Weapon Teams get stripped out of Infantry Squads in favor of 'single man' Heavy Weapons. Missile Launchers, Heavy Stubbers, the 'heavy lasgun' that we've had in lore for years now.
Heavy Weapon Teams remain as a Heavy Support choice but get to split out after deploying.
Rapiers get added to the Heavy Support options with some more esoteric weapons.

'Infantry Squads' would be the default 5+ save unit.
Veterans would be split into three distinctive entities:
-Grenadier veterans. 4+ save, hellguns, no heavy weapon teams but access to Missile Launchers, Heavy Stubbers with variable ammo types, grenade launchers on the hellguns.
-Scout Veterans. 6+ save but with cameloline cloaks/material rules for a bonus to saves while in/on cover. Lasguns, CCWs, pistols or shotguns. No HWTs but access to sniper rifles, flamethrowers, and a bonus to artillery that targets units visible to them.
-Infantry Veterans. 5+ save, lasguns, HWTs. Basically the 'default' Infantry Squad just with a bonus Leadership.

There's a ton more to say on the matter, but this is what needs to baseline be done in order to make the army actually a viable choice these days.
After all, why play Guard if you can just play GSC or AdMech or Tau instead?

Dysartes wrote:IG? One reworked Regiment (to test the waters - I'd lean towards Tallarn, or a Mordian/Praetorian set, myself), plus the return of Rough Riders.

God no, keep Rough Riders with that Death Korps trash.

You want a reworked Regiment?
Make it one that actually doesn't have rules currently. Make it one that could be actually interesting and unique.


Necromundan Spyders.

Just because it's your little soapbox, Kan, doesn't mean anyone else has to accept your theory of how things should be.

That's fine and dandy. But my theory actually makes the army interesting rather than "Here's my <insert regiment of the week>!" based off whatever cheap third party trash someone picked up that week.

Make the models mean something. They don't look like they deserve a 5+ armor save currently.
Cadians and Vostroyans? They look too heavily armored!

So ... wouldn't this be the perfect reason to give them new models? To address that issue? I get wanting rules to differentiate them, but the current line looks kind of silly proportionally. They're all over the place. You wouldn't want that addressed at the same time as making them "look like they deserve that armor save"?

Even more Marines?
Do you think that GW has a choice?

Tycho wrote:

Make the models mean something. They don't look like they deserve a 5+ armor save currently.
Cadians and Vostroyans? They look too heavily armored!

So ... wouldn't this be the perfect reason to give them new models? To address that issue? I get wanting rules to differentiate them, but the current line looks kind of silly proportionally. They're all over the place. You wouldn't want that addressed at the same time as making them "look like they deserve that armor save"?

I don't want the range touched until they're willing to commit to actually redesigning the army from the ground up. Any model redesign needs to factor that in.

And right now? They've shown over the years that they have zero interest when it comes to changing the Guard to be more reflective of its lore.

The Tempestus was a good step in the right direction, differentiating the previous fluff of the "Stormtrooper Regiments" into something more uniquely suitable to the Imperium.

Looking at the armies, it's actually impressive how modern most are now. Orks, Eldar and Tau Auxillery could use some finecast replacement, Guard could use an update as their infantry has aged poorly compared to the other human minis out now, and custodes could stand a range update to feel more complete.
1K sons could use some more unique stuff as well to diffrentate them a bit more.

IMHO Orks Eldar Guard and Custodes should be the next armies to get big range updates in addition a looot of characters are still in finecast and I'd like to see GW start moving to update the ones they can. Perhaps publish a small boxed game called "hero arena" thats all about having characters fight and then replace a finecast HQ for every army in the game,

IMHO Orks Eldar Guard and Custodes should be the next armies to get big range updates in addition a looot of characters are still in finecast and I'd like to see GW start moving to update the ones they can. Perhaps publish a small boxed game called "hero arena" thats all about having characters fight and then replace a finecast HQ for every army in the game,

Orks are an interesting one for me. I have a huge army filled with boyz and bikes and dreads. Most of the line is pretty new and maybe just needs an update for anything still in Finecast, but I would have thought Boyz would be a slam dunk for a new kit. However, each time I see this brought up, most of the hardcore Ork players seem to be happy with them and don't feel a new kit is needed. Would be interesting to see stats on it for "wants new boyz" vs "current boyz are fine".

Tycho wrote:

IMHO Orks Eldar Guard and Custodes should be the next armies to get big range updates in addition a looot of characters are still in finecast and I'd like to see GW start moving to update the ones they can. Perhaps publish a small boxed game called "hero arena" thats all about having characters fight and then replace a finecast HQ for every army in the game,

Orks are an interesting one for me. I have a huge army filled with boyz and bikes and dreads. Most of the line is pretty new and maybe just needs an update for anything still in Finecast, but I would have thought Boyz would be a slam dunk for a new kit. However, each time I see this brought up, most of the hardcore Ork players seem to be happy with them and don't feel a new kit is needed. Would be interesting to see stats on it for "wants new boyz" vs "current boyz are fine".

I'm in the current boyz are fine camp. Orks as a race of "obvious non humans" age pretty gracefully. compared to say Imperial Guard so look less dated, the current box has lots of options for custom building etc that there is a very real concern would be lost in a new kit. also a new kit would be more expensive. Orks need holes plugged and finecast replaced, not perfectly servicable plastic kits replaced with something thats more of a side grade

I'll echo the sentiments that Eldar and Dark Eldar need updating the most. Harlequins also reeeeeeally need some new units to flesh them out.

Behind that? Guard could indeed do with fresh models. My first thought was that of skepticism that there'd be more than 2 outfits updated, maximum - but thinking about it - you're really only looking at refreshing a handful of kits per outfit, right? Infantry squad, command squad and heavy weapons unit (and who knows, maybe some new squad variant like a special weapons unit, tankbusters or something - but that's just infantry with extra gubbins).
So it should be absolutely possible for GW to update 3 or 4 regiments over the course of a wave.

Orks could definitely do with a few gaps plugged - more Warboss options, for starters - but I don't think they need a complete refresh.

I'm in the current boyz are fine camp. Orks as a race of "obvious non humans" age pretty gracefully. compared to say Imperial Guard so look less dated, the current box has lots of options for custom building etc that there is a very real concern would be lost in a new kit. also a new kit would be more expensive. Orks need holes plugged and finecast replaced, not perfectly servicable plastic kits replaced with something thats more of a side grade

That makes sense. SO you would be looking at, not necessarily a full over-haul, but updating to get rid of Finecast, and filling holes? What do you think they're missing?

- Eldars for remaking units, especially all the aspect warriors, along with a rule change to make them more efficient than the corresponding primaris unit at their role, but less efficient/more vulnerable at everything else.
- Dark Eldars for adding in new units, all the units they lost and more stuff.
- Guards too I guess.
- I definitely won't complain if my Sisters of Battle get new stuff!!

Tycho wrote:

I'm in the current boyz are fine camp. Orks as a race of "obvious non humans" age pretty gracefully. compared to say Imperial Guard so look less dated, the current box has lots of options for custom building etc that there is a very real concern would be lost in a new kit. also a new kit would be more expensive. Orks need holes plugged and finecast replaced, not perfectly servicable plastic kits replaced with something thats more of a side grade

That makes sense. SO you would be looking at, not necessarily a full over-haul, but updating to get rid of Finecast, and filling holes? What do you think they're missing?

mostly an overhaul of finecast. but I'm of the opinion that the lack of a mega armor warboss is a crime. when I think a warboss I tend to think in big armor ala well.. gorgutz from DOW

Eldar, without a doubt.

The Avatar currently has two resin kits, and so a single plastic kit with optional sword and spear is a no brainer. Exodite players are lucky as they have the AOS treelord, who looks awesome.

With the common Dire Avengers already in plastic, and that he is the top-dog of Phoenix Lords, Asurmen is the logical choice for the next P-Lord release. In fact, he should have been the first. Glad he wasn't( banshee fanboy ) but by rights he should have been.

Not only a solid choice for regular 40K but a key choice for any Asuryani Kill Team, the Striking Scorpions are in big demand for an update.

After that, it would be Warlocks and Rangers...

...sod it. EVERYTHING.

Oh, nearly forgot - Tallarn Desert Raiders. No interest in the Imperial Guard but I do enjoy a bit of Lawrence of Arabia, and always fancied a set back in the day. Wish I had done it!

Kanluwen wrote:*wall of text*

Most of what you're asking for is the ruleset from 2nd/3rd ed. I have the 3rd ed Guard codex and, while I like the rules they have in there, and some of the ideas you mentioned, I'm not sold on them working with the modern ruleset. Modern GW likes to pretend that they're simplifying the game, and what you're describing doesn't go with that.

Also, on the topic of modern GW, I'd expect modern GW to treat big alterations and differences between subfactions like what you're describing as warranting Codex Supplements a la Space Marines. Guard simply isn't (quite) as popular as Space Marines currently, and I doubt a lot of Guard players would be happy with having to spend extra money buying a codex supplement on top of their codex and already expensive army.

Another question I'd like to ask is where would this stop? Surely each subfaction of every other army should be this distinct, right? Not all Chaos Legions are even remotely similar. Same could be said for each Craftworld, Forgeworld, Klan, Sect, or Dynasty. Should all of those be fluffed out as you say as well? Why would only Marines and Guard get to be so special?

Kanluwen wrote:

Dysartes wrote:IG? One reworked Regiment (to test the waters - I'd lean towards Tallarn, or a Mordian/Praetorian set, myself), plus the return of Rough Riders.

God no, keep Rough Riders with that Death Korps trash.

Exactly why are you trying to insult the Kreig players on this forum? You just trolling or is something legitimately bugging you about them?

Kanluwen wrote:

Tycho wrote:

Make the models mean something. They don't look like they deserve a 5+ armor save currently.
Cadians and Vostroyans? They look too heavily armored!

So ... wouldn't this be the perfect reason to give them new models? To address that issue? I get wanting rules to differentiate them, but the current line looks kind of silly proportionally. They're all over the place. You wouldn't want that addressed at the same time as making them "look like they deserve that armor save"?

I don't want the range touched until they're willing to commit to actually redesigning the army from the ground up. Any model redesign needs to factor that in.

And right now? They've shown over the years that they have zero interest when it comes to changing the Guard to be more reflective of its lore.

The Tempestus was a good step in the right direction, differentiating the previous fluff of the "Stormtrooper Regiments" into something more uniquely suitable to the Imperium.

Kanluwen wrote:

Just because it's your little soapbox, Kan, doesn't mean anyone else has to accept your theory of how things should be.

That's fine and dandy. But my theory actually makes the army interesting rather than "Here's my <insert regiment of the week>!" based off whatever cheap third party trash someone picked up that week.

You seem incredibly salty about all of this, and throwing shade at a lot of people, and I'm not entirely sure why? Something's gotta be bugging you; help me out here.

Aspect Warriors.

The Avatar.

Phoenix Lords.

New Vypr.

Arcanis161 wrote:

Most of what you're asking for is the ruleset from 2nd/3rd ed. I have the 3rd ed Guard codex and, while I like the rules they have in there, and some of the ideas you mentioned, I'm not sold on them working with the modern ruleset. Modern GW likes to pretend that they're simplifying the game, and what you're describing doesn't go with that.

Also, on the topic of modern GW, I'd expect modern GW to treat big alterations and differences between subfactions like what you're describing as warranting Codex Supplements a la Space Marines. Guard simply isn't (quite) as popular as Space Marines currently, and I doubt a lot of Guard players would be happy with having to spend extra money buying a codex supplement on top of their codex and already expensive army.

Another question I'd like to ask is where would this stop? Surely each subfaction of every other army should be this distinct, right? Not all Chaos Legions are even remotely similar. Same could be said for each Craftworld, Forgeworld, Klan, Sect, or Dynasty. Should all of those be fluffed out as you say as well? Why would only Marines and Guard get to be so special?

Real-talk:
Craftworlds, Septs, Dynasties, and Forge Worlds? They already have this setup, effectively.
Craftworlds can take Dire Avengers, Rangers, or Guardians.
Septs can do Breachers, Strike Teams, or Kroot.
Dynasties have Warriors or Immortals, both of which are fairly different units.
Forge Worlds have the 'quadfecta' in the form of Breachers, Destroyers, Rangers, and Vanguard.

Kanluwen wrote:

Dysartes wrote:IG? One reworked Regiment (to test the waters - I'd lean towards Tallarn, or a Mordian/Praetorian set, myself), plus the return of Rough Riders.

God no, keep Rough Riders with that Death Korps trash.

Exactly why are you trying to insult the Kreig players on this forum? You just trolling or is something legitimately bugging you about them?

They're a specific subfaction, not the entirety of the army. We finally ditched the nonsense that was Rough Riders. Keep it in DKoK.

Additionally? Too many people like to treat the Krieg method of warfare as the Guard method of warfare.

You seem incredibly salty about all of this, and throwing shade at a lot of people, and I'm not entirely sure why? Something's gotta be bugging you; help me out here.

You want to understand why?
It all circles back to the Cruddace-led book. That book was garbage, in my personal opinion. It removed almost all of the flavor from the Guard overnight and resulted in me having to spend a month rearming Sergeants and Officers because the 'vision' with his name on it has no lasguns for the officers or NCOs. Despite art showing them. Despite lore showing them.
Then there was the whole Leafblower styled lists, etc etc etc. Forge World continually did a better job with Guard at the time than GW did, simply by dint of them not copy/pasting the codex in.

So yeah. I'm incredibly salty about Guard, the first army I played for 40k. I've seen them change Cadians from the Eye of Terror Codex(arguably the best Cadian list to date) to the blandness they are now.
The army is not what it was back in the day. It hasn't been for three editions now. If we're lucky? GW will fluff it as Guilliman reorganizing the Imperial Army model and we'll see the 'Regiments' present as specialist units. Because that's what really needs to happen. People can argue with me all they want, but the army has nothing unique or interesting to it anymore.
Want to run a gunline? GSC, Tau, AdMech, Necrons, or Marines do it better.
Hordes? Death Guard, GSC, Necrons, CSM, etc can do it better.
Big vehicles? Knights!

Anyways, fixing Guard in a meaningful way? Probably not going to happen. Not unless someone who actually plays them gets onto the design team.

Simply put, Eldar and Dark Eldar. They are both in desperate need of some love.

Every failcast kit. Once that's done, you could practically pin the tail on the donkey for every non-marine-based faction and one would be almost as good as the other, except for GSC and Sisters.

As much as I love my faction, I would like for tau to get fleshed out with more awesome plastic xenos auxiliaries. Would be cool.. I know some people who would love kroot things and vespids with their mecha mechs..

Other than that... All of the CWE/DE failcast and missing units. All of it.....

Phoenix Lords, Apsects and exarchs as well as some sort of exodite/ wraithbeats unit or drones or something.. A warp spider and Shining spear lord is a given. Could easily do an autarch jetbike multipart kit to be either a PL or autarch..

I would be happy if they just bought the designs of #totalynotaspectwarriors from Artel tweaked them and put them in plastic. Those concepts are amazing.

The avatar - I thinkt they could just sell the plastic avatar from cauldron of blood separatly and call it a day.. Its miles betetr then the metal avatar but nothing when compared to the FW avatar. Would be interesting if FW avatar was a "greater avatar of khor- ermm khaine"

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
Simply put, Eldar and Dark Eldar. They are both in desperate need of some love.

Eldar or Dark Eldar more?

I'm genuinely, as a neutral observer, of the opinion that Eldar need it more than Dark Eldar...but I'd build some redundancy and crossover in to the release by also releasing a Corsairs or Ynnari faction book that could be tied to both.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
Simply put, Eldar and Dark Eldar. They are both in desperate need of some love.

Eldar or Dark Eldar more?

I'm genuinely, as a neutral observer, of the opinion that Eldar need it more than Dark Eldar...but I'd build some redundancy and crossover in to the release by also releasing a Corsairs or Ynnari faction book that could be tied to both.

DE need more new units/lost units to be returned (HQs) and a rules tweak.

Eldar just need all the failcast gone and there is a lot of it..

Tycho wrote:

I'm in the current boyz are fine camp. Orks as a race of "obvious non humans" age pretty gracefully. compared to say Imperial Guard so look less dated, the current box has lots of options for custom building etc that there is a very real concern would be lost in a new kit. also a new kit would be more expensive. Orks need holes plugged and finecast replaced, not perfectly servicable plastic kits replaced with something thats more of a side grade

That makes sense. SO you would be looking at, not necessarily a full over-haul, but updating to get rid of Finecast, and filling holes? What do you think they're missing?

Well Orks have some obvious things-
Warboss in Mega-armor
Big Mek with KFF NOT in mega-armor
plastic weirdboy (forgot he wasn't, even though that's a great model)
plastic tankbustas
plastic kommandos
plastic deffkoptas with options for big shootas, rokkits, killsaws and any other weapon options that were written down but never existed.

But realistically, they don't need a necron sized release. Most of that could happen with the codex in a single weekend.

Personal desires:
Cyboar riders.
Stormboyz as a box of 10 for a reasonable price. The current 5 ork box makes me sad.
A 3 pack for kannons/big guns/mek guns. 1 'mek gun' for $50 is just messed up, and some things (like basic kannons and lobbas) are just missing. Snakebites still exist, not everything needs to be zappy.
Warboss not in mega-armor with weapon options and rules that let him survive for more than five seconds.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


New Vypr.

Imagine if the Vyper was a chassis that other armies use as a light transport but for some reason CWE have never figured it out...
A vyper transport variant would be a game changer.

Eldar or Dark Eldar more?

I'm genuinely, as a neutral observer, of the opinion that Eldar need it more than Dark Eldar...but I'd build some redundancy and crossover in to the release by also releasing a Corsairs or Ynnari faction book that could be tied to both.

Model wise probably Eldar.

Rules wise DE are currently hurting pretty badly. And the aura nerf (which I am in favour of) has basically rendered the Archon mostly useless unless there are some things that we're not seeing from the Codex, which is also likely. The problem is he is our only HQ for Kabals and he doesn't do anything now really if he can't buff Ravagers and the like. The long and short of it is that we simply have no options.

Voss wrote:


Eldar, eldar, eldar. They have most gaping holes in the model line, in the story and the most rules/points problems. Bar nothing.

This.

Harlequins are actually mostly fine, though it would be nice to have a few new units added to their book. This doesn't even need to be totally unique stuff, it would be fine to add some kind of battle-brother rule that allowed them to take certain units in a harlequin force. Harlequin wraithlord would be cool (they used to have them, a long time ago).

Craftworlds though. I can guarantee that most of the craftworlds model lineup is older than some/most of the people commenting on this forum.

Craftworld Eldar need a complete rewrite from the ground up. Primaris/marines have stolen pretty much every single unique trait they had, and with the changes to 9th Eldar basically have nothing working for them. 10 points for a T3 1W body, firing a 12" peashooter, and the Aspects are worse.

The reason why alaitoc flyer spam was such a scourge in 8th, is because Eldar had such limited options when it came to fielding a list that was actually competitive. You just have to look at the joke the Wraithknight is, compared to Imperial options for the same points.

New codex needs to be a complete rewrite for basically every unit. And new models for them too.

It won't happen, what -will- happen is maybe one or two token resculpts like the banshees, and a lazy codex that leaves one or two overpowered units and the rest brokenly bad. Same as 8th (and 7th...probably further back than that).

Edit: Also take everything I said above, and repeat it for Dark Eldar. They didn't have as much of their unique stuff stolen by marines, but instead they were left with their unique features either not working or being massively overcosted.

Eldar should be fragile, sure. But they should be strong and fragile. They're glass cannon armies, that require finesse. One mistake and you lose units. Problem with them at the moment, is they're expensive and fragile and yet STILL WEAKER than marines.

Tycho wrote:

Make the models mean something. They don't look like they deserve a 5+ armor save currently.
Cadians and Vostroyans? They look too heavily armored!

So ... wouldn't this be the perfect reason to give them new models? To address that issue? I get wanting rules to differentiate them, but the current line looks kind of silly proportionally. They're all over the place. You wouldn't want that addressed at the same time as making them "look like they deserve that armor save"?

It seems that you're wanting to have infantry models for Cadians, and vostroyans, and catachan, etc? This... really shouldn't ever happen, at least not while a lot of other armies are in need of stuff.

This would be like GW releasing 6 different guardian squad box sets, one for Ulthwe and one for Iyanden and... etc. It's just not gonna happen, there won't be enough profit in it anyway.

Throwing out an upgrade sprue set on forgeworld? Sure. But then they used to do that, and I guess it didn't sell cos I think it got discontinued.

One new infantry box set, with a decent resculpt, yes. Sure. But not one per sub-faction.

Niiru wrote:

Voss wrote:


Eldar, eldar, eldar. They have most gaping holes in the model line, in the story and the most rules/points problems. Bar nothing.

This.

Harlequins are actually mostly fine, though it would be nice to have a few new units added to their book. This doesn't even need to be totally unique stuff, it would be fine to add some kind of battle-brother rule that allowed them to take certain units in a harlequin force. Harlequin wraithlord would be cool (they used to have them, a long time ago).

Craftworlds though. I can guarantee that most of the craftworlds model lineup is older than some/most of the people commenting on this forum.

Craftworld Eldar need a complete rewrite from the ground up. Primaris/marines have stolen pretty much every single unique trait they had, and with the changes to 9th Eldar basically have nothing working for them. 10 points for a T3 1W body, firing a 12" peashooter, and the Aspects are worse.

The reason why alaitoc flyer spam was such a scourge in 8th, is because Eldar had such limited options when it came to fielding a list that was actually competitive. You just have to look at the joke the Wraithknight is, compared to Imperial options for the same points.

New codex needs to be a complete rewrite for basically every unit. And new models for them too.

It won't happen, what -will- happen is maybe one or two token resculpts like the banshees, and a lazy codex that leaves one or two overpowered units and the rest brokenly bad. Same as 8th (and 7th...probably further back than that).

Well, I'm not so sure about that last bit. The necron overhaul is huge (it seemed big back in July, and that its model line-up is still growing is mindboggling). And they're getting needed rules changes (even if they aren't perfect). And the general weapons overhaul is huge- and necrons are definitely getting a taste of that on their own gear. (It sucks that eldar have to wait for a lot of their specially named weapons, but I can't see those weapons not changing)

The factory upgrade is done, so GW actually have the space and time to do an overhaul, and hopefully do it properly. Things might not be on the optimal timetable (especially with real-world stuff), but they're absolutely in a position to do more than a lazy codex and token resculpts.

Eldar have long been powerful (more often then not while I've been playing)0 but at the same time they've ALWAYS been powerful as "gimmick lists" and if I played eldar that'd kiiinda annoy me TBH. they need a new codex that sits back and looks at the army and how it works together and how the various parts of it interlock.
Marines are powerful right now in large part because they have that

The heavy SPA that was dropped when IG when from 5th to 6th.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Arcanis161 wrote:

Most of what you're asking for is the ruleset from 2nd/3rd ed. I have the 3rd ed Guard codex and, while I like the rules they have in there, and some of the ideas you mentioned, I'm not sold on them working with the modern ruleset. Modern GW likes to pretend that they're simplifying the game, and what you're describing doesn't go with that.

Also, on the topic of modern GW, I'd expect modern GW to treat big alterations and differences between subfactions like what you're describing as warranting Codex Supplements a la Space Marines. Guard simply isn't (quite) as popular as Space Marines currently, and I doubt a lot of Guard players would be happy with having to spend extra money buying a codex supplement on top of their codex and already expensive army.

Another question I'd like to ask is where would this stop? Surely each subfaction of every other army should be this distinct, right? Not all Chaos Legions are even remotely similar. Same could be said for each Craftworld, Forgeworld, Klan, Sect, or Dynasty. Should all of those be fluffed out as you say as well? Why would only Marines and Guard get to be so special?

Real-talk:
Craftworlds, Septs, Dynasties, and Forge Worlds? They already have this setup, effectively.
Craftworlds can take Dire Avengers, Rangers, or Guardians.
Septs can do Breachers, Strike Teams, or Kroot.
Dynasties have Warriors or Immortals, both of which are fairly different units.
Forge Worlds have the 'quadfecta' in the form of Breachers, Destroyers, Rangers, and Vanguard.

I think we're talking a bit perpendicularly.

If you're talking about adding troop choices, I don't understand why they put veterans into the Elites slot. I don't feel it belongs there.

I was more referring to the special units, unit requirements and special detachments based on chosen Doctrine (Catachan, Cadia, etc.). For the latter, one I'm not sure if any subfaction belonging to any faction will have that yet. For the former two, it seems that GW has the mentality that if a subfaction has enough special units or special rules/requirements, then that subfaction is treated with a Supplement rather than making it a part of the main Codex. See all of the Founding Space Marine Chapters.

I get where you're coming from with it (see my response below), but I doubt GW will do anything about it.

Kanluwen wrote:

Dysartes wrote:IG? One reworked Regiment (to test the waters - I'd lean towards Tallarn, or a Mordian/Praetorian set, myself), plus the return of Rough Riders.

God no, keep Rough Riders with that Death Korps trash.

Exactly why are you trying to insult the Kreig players on this forum? You just trolling or is something legitimately bugging you about them?

They're a specific subfaction, not the entirety of the army. We finally ditched the nonsense that was Rough Riders. Keep it in DKoK.

Additionally? Too many people like to treat the Krieg method of warfare as the Guard method of warfare.

I like Rough Riders, but I'd still say that they were definitely the silliest and least fitting unit in the Guard.

Granted, I don't know the entire history of the Guard faction in terms of the game, but I think the whole Kreig thing stems from there being a not-so underlying callousness to the Guard. I have the 3rd ed Codex from before the plastic Cadians, and even that mentions regiments being raised and then used until there's barely a company left, specialists for one environment being sent to an unfitting environment without proper gear, and of course the millions of casualties per day. Kreig just so happens to be this callousness to the nth degree, so I think that's just what people glom onto.

I for one am of the mind that there is plenty of competence in the Guard leadership despite these things (otherwise the Imperium would have fallen long ago). I always felt that the millions of casualties per day wasn't completely due to poor leadership, but rather occurring due to the horrific enemies the Guard had to face, and that the horrific casualties were in spite of competent leadership.

You seem incredibly salty about all of this, and throwing shade at a lot of people, and I'm not entirely sure why? Something's gotta be bugging you; help me out here.

You want to understand why?
It all circles back to the Cruddace-led book. That book was garbage, in my personal opinion. It removed almost all of the flavor from the Guard overnight and resulted in me having to spend a month rearming Sergeants and Officers because the 'vision' with his name on it has no lasguns for the officers or NCOs. Despite art showing them. Despite lore showing them.
Then there was the whole Leafblower styled lists, etc etc etc. Forge World continually did a better job with Guard at the time than GW did, simply by dint of them not copy/pasting the codex in.

So yeah. I'm incredibly salty about Guard, the first army I played for 40k. I've seen them change Cadians from the Eye of Terror Codex(arguably the best Cadian list to date) to the blandness they are now.
The army is not what it was back in the day. It hasn't been for three editions now.

That's fair. I never even got to play around with platoons, which were another big part of the Guard back then. Maybe once things open back up, I'll try to get a game in with someone I know who has wanted to play 3rd ed for awhile.

I'll also agree that you have to work harder to make a fluffy custom regiment/army. The custom doctrines help somewhat, but not to the extent of the system from 2nd and 3rd ed.

If we're lucky? GW will fluff it as Guilliman reorganizing the Imperial Army model and we'll see the 'Regiments' present as specialist units.

While I hope for a couple of multi-kit options that allow people to build the classic Guard regiments and even make new ones, this is probably the more likely scenario.

Arcanis161 wrote:
Exactly why are you trying to insult the Kreig players on this forum? You just trolling or is something legitimately bugging you about them?

Because of Kan doesn't like a concept, he'll call the entire army "trash". He personally doesn't like Rough Riders, so he doesn't think anyone should have them.

Death Korpse are straight up one of the most badass armies in 40K, and rough riders definitely need a comback.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Arcanis161 wrote:
Exactly why are you trying to insult the Kreig players on this forum? You just trolling or is something legitimately bugging you about them?

Because of Kan doesn't like a concept, he'll call the entire army "trash". He personally doesn't like Rough Riders, so he doesn't think anyone should have them.

He explained his point in his response to me; it's just a preference.

At this point it's better to leave it be rather than continue being ugly, at least for this thread.

Let's see:

Eldar range. No surprise but so many old sculpts and finecast is not a great combo.

IG. GW needs to figure out a new basic guardsman kit or kits. They are ancient, ugly, and don't allow for the various regiments.

DE. I remember in 5th when they got their revamp they looked ace and still do. That said they need more and varied HQs.

Chaos marines. Much of the range has been updated or added but we are still missing noise marines and the berserker kit is one of the oldest plastic kit in the entire GW line. Bikes look silly and other HQs are finecast or need an update.

Arcanis161 wrote:
He explained his point in his response to me; it's just a preference.

Did he though?

"We finally ditched the nonsense that was Rough Riders."

Sounds like someone who would be very angry if other players were having fun the wrong way with their non-Krieg Rough Riders.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Arcanis161 wrote:
He explained his point in his response to me; it's just a preference.

Did he though?

"We finally ditched the nonsense that was Rough Riders."

Sounds like someone who would be very angry if other players were having fun the wrong way with their non-Krieg Rough Riders.

Well we don't have Rough Riders right now, so I think now's a fine opportunity to let this go.

And as should have been clear, I miss them too.

BrianDavion wrote:
Eldar have long been powerful (more often then not while I've been playing)0 but at the same time they've ALWAYS been powerful as "gimmick lists" and if I played eldar that'd kiiinda annoy me TBH. they need a new codex that sits back and looks at the army and how it works together and how the various parts of it interlock.
Marines are powerful right now in large part because they have that

Everyone does. While I have railed against the Marine releases since 2.0 that level of options and adjustments to core functionality would be amazing if done game wide.

Shocking as it may be, but after seeing the Sisters book and the early Necron previews I am actually optimistic for the first time in ages.

Well, as many have mentioned I think Eldar should get their aspect warriors and guardians reworked.

Dark Eldar should get also get some love, mainly more HQ options and replacing failcast.

After that...I would love a few things:

Reworked Catachans but ONLY if the basic squad of 10 is like $35 or less, and the guys aren't basically monopose like a lot of the new GW stuff. They need to get back to being able to mix and match stuff from their different ranges easily, especially for Guard.

Also for the guard: Cavalry options! (I've said this for years). Light/skirmish cav with carbines, medium cav that can dash in and fight a bit, as well as shoot, and some heavy cav that carry the day (against some foes, at least), knights/cataphract type guys. I'd drop a grand with a smile to build a mostly cavalry guard army.

Another personal wish for the guard: quad heavy stubber scout sentinels.

I don't get why everyone is gakking on the Guardians?

I have no problem with the current guardians.. The weapon platform is pretty cool too so honestly don't get what the issue is, don't seem like a priority of an kind to me.
I have plenty of them and more that haven't even been removed from sprues lol

Remove guardians entirely or make a storm guardians and guardian multi part with decent rules and maybe I guess..

Pretty straight forward. Eldar are the faction that needs the next major update....New autarch variant, warlocks (attached to guardian units again too), Aspects, Phoenix Lords, Avatar, all need new models.

next up I'd probably go for a second Guard regiment, and I see that being catachans. The 2 new characters look great, could expand on this considerably.

I'd also like to see a revamp to some of the ork line, even though they got a good update with some of their models.

That's what I'd prioritize for this edition, with a spattering of HQ choices etc around (yes DE, I'm looking at you).

Kommandoz and tankbustaz in Plastic. That's my only wish

 bullyboy wrote:

next up I'd probably go for a second Guard regiment, and I see that being catachans. The 2 new characters look great, could expand on this considerably.

Eh? Do you mean for your own collection?

Catachans already are the 'second guard regiment.' Like a lot of things a the moment, they're out of stock, but they've got the full set in plastic- command squad, infantry squad, heavy weapons squad, and a 'defense force' deal, same as the Cadians.
Granted the infantry squad is old, only has the flamer as an option, and really ugly (the command and HWTs are better), but ugly is what you're paying for with Catachans.

Between the three special characters and the two 'special event' characters, GW has basically committed to keeping the Catachans around.

Though they do need to sort out the special weapons for both regiments. Metal models that don't quite fit in with the current design is weird stopgap.

Renegades and Heretics supplements for AM, AdMech and Aeldari (mostly focussed on Chaos, but leaving the option of free renegades open), no need for units or datasheets on this one, just a rules supplement. Khorne CSM and Slaanesh CSM need some more unique kits, Emperor's Children should get a Slaanesh Adepta Sororitas HQ. Chaos Daemons need more terrain and weird, creepy or scary new units. Eldar should get a sprinking of updates, updating and releasing a bajillion things for Necrons has overwhelmed me. No updated kits should be put into a box along with old kits that were not updated unless demand for that old kit is vast, I don't know if that's a radical thing to say, but the Phoenix box was silly.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Arcanis161 wrote:
Exactly why are you trying to insult the Kreig players on this forum? You just trolling or is something legitimately bugging you about them?

Because of Kan doesn't like a concept, he'll call the entire army "trash". He personally doesn't like Rough Riders, so he doesn't think anyone should have them.

And yet, on the last thread that asked what people would like to see return, guess what got the single highest number of votes?

Someone is out of step with the other people who like the faction, and is somewhat terse about it.

Voss wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

next up I'd probably go for a second Guard regiment, and I see that being catachans. The 2 new characters look great, could expand on this considerably.

Eh? Do you mean for your own collection?

Catachans already are the 'second guard regiment.' Like a lot of things a the moment, they're out of stock, but they've got the full set in plastic- command squad, infantry squad, heavy weapons squad, and a 'defense force' deal, same as the Cadians.
Granted the infantry squad is old, only has the flamer as an option, and really ugly (the command and HWTs are better), but ugly is what you're paying for with Catachans.

Between the three special characters and the two 'special event' characters, GW has basically committed to keeping the Catachans around.

Though they do need to sort out the special weapons for both regiments. Metal models that don't quite fit in with the current design is weird stopgap.

I think you're right that, in order to refresh Catachans, you only need to rework the Infantry squad box. The Command Squad and HW Squad boxes work, as do the two new character sculpts. Heck, I even like the metal Platoon Commander (or Junior Officer, or Lef-tenant) models.

Looking at the current sprue on the GW site (as it has been a while since I saw one in person), there's a lot of wasted space in there which could see other options included. I'd like to see the end of the one-foot-on-the-ground leg pose, as that always looked awkward when built - same with the sort-of-jogging-forwards legs for the Cadians.

I'd slate the Eldar for a massive rework, on par with the Necron releases that we've been getting, but, that'd take a year or two to prep.

So, while I put the A-team on that, the focus for 2021 are small fillers for other forces. For instance, Lt-level leaders for all forces without them (like the Orks and Dark Eldar) and replacing Finecast, so you'd see a Biovore/Pyrovore kit for the Tyranid, for instance. Marines would get a unit of Servitors (eventually), and I'd try and keep the "One Imperium, one Chaos, one Xenos" loop rolling.

2022, however? Eldar. *so* *much* *Eldar*. Probably find some small opposition force to go with them, like the Necrons got the melee Primaris surge. New Chaos forces maybe? Or new Tau subraces? Tau vs Eldar could be a really interesting 2022 mix, I think.

Marines don't even have to be the badge on a Servitor box - make it an AdMech release instead, and they just happen to benefit by accident

Re The Dark Eldar

The 'new' Dark Eldar are now older than the old Dark Eldar they replaced

I still think the IG should be a higher priority than the Eldar (whether smooth or spikey). While Space Elves are not a unique idea the Eldar (or, sigh, Aeldari) have grown into something unique. But 'sorta historial, sorta near future space soliders' is not as evidenced by several 'not Guard' manufacturers out there.

Like they did with Necromunda (futurey West Side Story gangs is not a unique idea either) GW could make each IG regiment more distinct by turning them up to 11, like they did with the 2 Catachan characters.

Space Cops are not unique, but the look of the new Enforcers is.

Anyway what about Traitor Guard and Imperial Agents? There's certainly signs GW is testing the waters for both, should they be a higher priority than refreshing existing lines?

 Eldarain wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Eldar have long been powerful (more often then not while I've been playing)0 but at the same time they've ALWAYS been powerful as "gimmick lists" and if I played eldar that'd kiiinda annoy me TBH. they need a new codex that sits back and looks at the army and how it works together and how the various parts of it interlock.
Marines are powerful right now in large part because they have that

Everyone does. While I have railed against the Marine releases since 2.0 that level of options and adjustments to core functionality would be amazing if done game wide.

Shocking as it may be, but after seeing the Sisters book and the early Necron previews I am actually optimistic for the first time in ages.

I have been saying since the sisters box came out that the SOB codex is hands down the best codex GW produced during 8th editition. the army works well together, and all the units are useful, the codex is solid but not massivly OP. The SOB codex should be the model GW follows for 9th edition codices more or less. good internal balance, good external balance, every choice feels meaningful

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The 'new' Dark Eldar are now older than the old Dark Eldar they replaced

And look 1000 times better. Why would you want to replace them?

If they could do some plastic Mandrakes in the current style though, and 3-man plastic Grotesque kit, that'd be ace.

I would not focus on armies specifically.

My first move would be to go over all the units which were lost to legends for not having models, decide which ones will add to the game, and then release models for them - multi-part plastic models with as many options and poses as possible.

My next approach might be to release waves of thematic units for spreads of armies. So, for example, I might decide to make some units designed to rip apart elites. I would then look at which armies this theme fits and which has a missing spot for such a unit, or an unloved unit which is supposed to fill that slot, and I'd release about 3 kits for different units which are themed around ripping apart elites. Or I might be aimed at infiltrating for objectives, and re-release kommandos and a few other kits for other armies. But I wouldn't just pump out loads of kits for one army - that's never going to result in balance!

 some bloke wrote:
I would not focus on armies specifically.

My first move would be to go over all the units which were lost to legends for not having models, decide which ones will add to the game, and then release models for them - multi-part plastic models with as many options and poses as possible.

My next approach might be to release waves of thematic units for spreads of armies. So, for example, I might decide to make some units designed to rip apart elites. I would then look at which armies this theme fits and which has a missing spot for such a unit, or an unloved unit which is supposed to fill that slot, and I'd release about 3 kits for different units which are themed around ripping apart elites. Or I might be aimed at infiltrating for objectives, and re-release kommandos and a few other kits for other armies. But I wouldn't just pump out loads of kits for one army - that's never going to result in balance!

This isn't bad, but I'd start with the Marines. They're still in limbo. Even if they get the Primaris stuff that's been teased, AND the Primaris stuff they need to be viable and complete as Primaris Only (Air craft, jump fight troops, whatever else) They're still in limbo. Either make it blatantly obvious you're gonna squat, or blatantly obvious you're not. Then do the Legends.

At the same time write the codex and missions to boost varied armies and sub-subfactions. Write the Missions in such a way that you need a little bit of each kind of thing - fast movement, rapid redeploys, objective sitting, killing, etc. to max scoring across multiple missions. i.e. the skew list that might sail through this mission would absolutely crater on the two more - expecting every mission to punish all skew lists is unlikely to be successful. Write the codex to give a varied list bonuses.

Breton wrote:
This isn't bad, but I'd start with the Marines. They're still in limbo. Even if they get the Primaris stuff that's been teased, AND the Primaris stuff they need to be viable and complete as Primaris Only (Air craft, jump fight troops, whatever else) They're still in limbo. Either make it blatantly obvious you're gonna squat, or blatantly obvious you're not. Then do the Legends.

At the same time write the codex and missions to boost varied armies and sub-subfactions. Write the Missions in such a way that you need a little bit of each kind of thing - fast movement, rapid redeploys, objective sitting, killing, etc. to max scoring across multiple missions. i.e. the skew list that might sail through this mission would absolutely crater on the two more - expecting every mission to punish all skew lists is unlikely to be successful. Write the codex to give a varied list bonuses.

Please gods no. This... this is a joke, right? Have Marines not had enough attention already? Do the other factions not deserve their turn yet?
Do you really want this to turn into ANOTHER 30-page Marine-bash thread?!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The 'new' Dark Eldar are now older than the old Dark Eldar they replaced

And look 1000 times better. Why would you want to replace them?

If they could do some plastic Mandrakes in the current style though, and 3-man plastic Grotesque kit, that'd be ace.

That'd be awesome, but I agree we don't need to change our other kits. Just replace finecast and give us some new possibilities for HQs and Special Weapons teams.

Our problem is faction synergies and just a poorly balanced codex.

Honestly, I'd just welcome a nice period where we don't have big huge releases for anyone, just a nice pruning of finecast and outdated plastic for all factions.

In terms of major releases I'd say Eldar and Guard need it most.


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 Denegaar wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The 'new' Dark Eldar are now older than the old Dark Eldar they replaced

And look 1000 times better. Why would you want to replace them?

If they could do some plastic Mandrakes in the current style though, and 3-man plastic Grotesque kit, that'd be ace.

That'd be awesome, but I agree we don't need to change our other kits. Just replace finecast and give us some new possibilities for HQs and Special Weapons teams.

Our problem is faction synergies and just a poorly balanced codex.

I do think they're in desperate need for a second HQ choice for each faction. Just the fact that you HAVE to bring 2 identical guys to field even a battalion detachment is so silly rn. If they're putting out lieutenant-equivs for skitarii and sisters drukhari need them pretty desperately if they're sticking with the split into 3 codex.

In an ideal world where Drukhari get given a GSC-style character heavy release, I'd love:

1) A mercenary coordinator HQ who can be taken by any subfaction who buffs Incubi, Scourges, Mandrakes, and Court models.
2) A wych cults Hellion HQ
3) A conversion kit that allows you to build an archon or a succubus onto a bike
4) A conversion kit that allows you to make a necron command barge style throne on a raider
5) Vect (obviously, compatible with the throne kit thingy)
6) Some kind of "master torturer" igor HQ for Coven

Breton wrote:
Write the Missions in such a way that you need a little bit of each kind of thing - fast movement, rapid redeploys, objective sitting, killing, etc. to max scoring across multiple missions. i.e. the skew list that might sail through this mission would absolutely crater on the two more - expecting every mission to punish all skew lists is unlikely to be successful. Write the codex to give a varied list bonuses.

I don't think it's fair for the player that gets pummeled by spam round 1 because the mission doesn't punish it nor is it fair for the person that pummels spam round 2 because the mission punishes it a lot. A list can have a negative impact on the meta even if it doesn't win tournaments and you shouldn't be able to pick an army that gets an easy 3/2 because you spam knowing that you won't win the tournament, but you will win most of your games. I think it is possible for every mission to punish spam. It's just a question of making spam counter secondaries good enough and the alternative secondaries bad enough that spam becomes unappealing. The last step is making sure that no units are massively undercosted such that nobody feels bad about taking a Dreadnought, a Land Raider and an Eradicator squad instead of 3 of one of them.

The mission set and core rules, need to be written in a way, that it facilitates a certain kind of list.
Whilest the army lists themselves need to be internally balanced in a way, that there aren't any auto pick options in order to stop facilitating skew.
That can happen by filling gaps in lists, such as AA capabilities with new units, or by attempting to balance a slew of units, removing autopick options either outright or bringing them back inline with other options.

Sounds like people definitely want modular HQs ala the old Marine Captain or Cadian Command Squad rather than the multipart but monopose ones we get now.

It seems that you're wanting to have infantry models for Cadians, and vostroyans, and catachan, etc? This... really shouldn't ever happen, at least not while a lot of other armies are in need of stuff.

I never actually said that. The most specific I got was "Maybe some Guard infantry units". The current range is not aging well at all and really needs a facelift. Upgrade kits aren't going to cut it when you're applying them to 20 year old sculpts ...

mostly an overhaul of finecast. but I'm of the opinion that the lack of a mega armor warboss is a crime. when I think a warboss I tend to think in big armor ala well.. gorgutz from DOW

Ah yes. The Mega Armor WB. Forgot about that one. I actually bought a Sigmar Ork to convert into one right about the time they shunted that data sheet off to legends. That is a pretty iconic unit that should probably have representation beyond legends.

This isn't bad, but I'd start with the Marines. They're still in limbo. Even if they get the Primaris stuff that's been teased, AND the Primaris stuff they need to be viable and complete as Primaris Only (Air craft, jump fight troops, whatever else) They're still in limbo. Either make it blatantly obvious you're gonna squat, or blatantly obvious you're not. Then do the Legends.

They ... they um ... that's already happened. They've made it pretty blatantly obvious old marines are going away. The only thing up in the air is "when". Primaris are in no way, shape-or-form "in limbo" and are perfectly viable now imo. I realize they don't have a flyer yet, but I really don't think they need one ...

Sounds like people definitely want modular HQs ala the old Marine Captain or Cadian Command Squad rather than the multipart but monopose ones we get now.

YES! The Chaos Lord in Terminator armor is one of my favorite kits. You can do so much with that. Every army should have access to something similar. It's a really great kit.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Sounds like people definitely want modular HQs ala the old Marine Captain or Cadian Command Squad rather than the multipart but monopose ones we get now.

its honestly the best way to make HQs. It makes no sense that the leaders of a faction can't take whatever weaponry they wish.

A blaster Archon should be legal.
A Twin spinneret rifle WarpJumpPack Autarch should be legal.
A plasma caliver Tech priest Dominus should be legal.
A missile launcher Chaos lord should be legal.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Re The Dark Eldar

The 'new' Dark Eldar are now older than the old Dark Eldar they replaced

I still think the IG should be a higher priority than the Eldar (whether smooth or spikey). While Space Elves are not a unique idea the Eldar (or, sigh, Aeldari) have grown into something unique. But 'sorta historial, sorta near future space soliders' is not as evidenced by several 'not Guard' manufacturers out there.

Like they did with Necromunda (futurey West Side Story gangs is not a unique idea either) GW could make each IG regiment more distinct by turning them up to 11, like they did with the 2 Catachan characters.

Space Cops are not unique, but the look of the new Enforcers is.

Anyway what about Traitor Guard and Imperial Agents? There's certainly signs GW is testing the waters for both, should they be a higher priority than refreshing existing lines?

I don't think so, personally. I think they have an obligation to finish the lines they've left rot for a decade or two.

Traitor guard/lotd or a new xenos army (see absolutely no point in imperial agents, there's more than enough Imperium stuff) would be nice, but this is the ideal time to get everyone back into fighting trim. There's holes to fill, and they've definitely obligated themselves to updating all the armies with weapon rules to match the imperial upgrades and wound changes.

I know it would kind of fall into the catagory of just more marines with CSM. but I would love to see the other gods represented. we have nurgle an tzeench with death guard and thousand sons specific kits. how about some more empiror's children and world eaters options with stand alone codexes. In addition there I woudl say most has been said, replace or redo all the old eldar (S&M and Vanilla variety). plastic deff koptas, and some guard options. Tyranids could use some redos on kits but need a new codex with more gear options as they are having a rough time right now.

Voss wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

next up I'd probably go for a second Guard regiment, and I see that being catachans. The 2 new characters look great, could expand on this considerably.

Eh? Do you mean for your own collection?

Catachans already are the 'second guard regiment.' Like a lot of things a the moment, they're out of stock, but they've got the full set in plastic- command squad, infantry squad, heavy weapons squad, and a 'defense force' deal, same as the Cadians.
Granted the infantry squad is old, only has the flamer as an option, and really ugly (the command and HWTs are better), but ugly is what you're paying for with Catachans.

Between the three special characters and the two 'special event' characters, GW has basically committed to keeping the Catachans around.

Though they do need to sort out the special weapons for both regiments. Metal models that don't quite fit in with the current design is weird stopgap.

I don't have Catachans (used to when the box first came out), and I don't have the 2 new characters. I just think they look great.
I'm not aware of better HQ and hvy weapon options, so if all it takes is an infantry sqd and a character or two, even better.

My guard is cadian bodies, 3rd party heads (praetorian with gas masks), so it does not affect me at all.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Sounds like people definitely want modular HQs ala the old Marine Captain or Cadian Command Squad rather than the multipart but monopose ones we get now.

Everyone except GW, that is.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Sounds like people definitely want modular HQs ala the old Marine Captain or Cadian Command Squad rather than the multipart but monopose ones we get now.

Everyone except GW, that is.

Everyone except the only people who count yes...

Are they not aware of 3d printing and a million and one artists who take commissions?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Everyone except the only people who count yes...

Are they not aware of 3d printing and a million and one artists who take commissions?

I'd like to point to the recent SoB Canoness release, as whilst the pose isn't really something you can change, it does have quite a few options.

But GW are about to release the "Captain with Master-crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle", as in, that's what it's called. Not a Captain, to which you can give a Heavy Bolt Rifle. No, it is actually listed in the rules on the contents page of the new Codex as "Captain with Master-crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle", so couldn't be more optionless if you tried.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Everyone except the only people who count yes...

Are they not aware of 3d printing and a million and one artists who take commissions?

I'd like to point to the recent SoB Canoness release, as whilst the pose isn't really something you can change, it does have quite a few options.

But GW are about to release the "Captain with Master-crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle", as in, that's what it's called. Not a Captain, to which you can give a Heavy Bolt Rifle. No, it is actually listed in the rules on the contents page of the new Codex as "Captain with Master-crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle", so couldn't be more optionless if you tried.

Maybe I could use a hobby knife to cut off the purity seal and thereby make a Captain with a mere Heavy Bolt Rifle?

Arg.

Does anyone like this $%^&? Does anyone really care about persnickety little differences among marine weapons? Or other weapons even?

From RT the game had the idea that it didn't matter if you have an M-16 or an AK-47, or a Mars Pattern lasgun or a Cadian Pattern. There's a hundred guys on the field and guns that shoot weaponized black holes. No one cares that you had your pistol rebored to fire .44 rounds.

But now we're supposed to care deeply about whether a bolter has this grubbing or that grubbing instead of which gun looks best.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Everyone except the only people who count yes...

Are they not aware of 3d printing and a million and one artists who take commissions?

I'd like to point to the recent SoB Canoness release, as whilst the pose isn't really something you can change, it does have quite a few options.

But GW are about to release the "Captain with Master-crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle", as in, that's what it's called. Not a Captain, to which you can give a Heavy Bolt Rifle. No, it is actually listed in the rules on the contents page of the new Codex as "Captain with Master-crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle", so couldn't be more optionless if you tried.

Maybe I could use a hobby knife to cut off the purity seal and thereby make a Captain with a mere Heavy Bolt Rifle?

Arg.

Does anyone like this $%^&? Does anyone really care about persnickety little differences among marine weapons? Or other weapons even?

From RT the game had the idea that it didn't matter if you have an M-16 or an AK-47, or a Mars Pattern lasgun or a Cadian Pattern. There's a hundred guys on the field and guns that shoot weaponized black holes. No one cares that you had your pistol rebored to fire .44 rounds.

But now we're supposed to care deeply about whether a bolter has this grubbing or that grubbing instead of which gun looks best.

It's all about the TradeMark Copyright life, much harder to not be infringing on GW's BS when they make it 20 layers of nonsense deep.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Sounds like people definitely want modular HQs ala the old Marine Captain or Cadian Command Squad rather than the multipart but monopose ones we get now.

its honestly the best way to make HQs. It makes no sense that the leaders of a faction can't take whatever weaponry they wish.

A blaster Archon should be legal.
A Twin spinneret rifle WarpJumpPack Autarch should be legal.
A plasma caliver Tech priest Dominus should be legal.
A missile launcher Chaos lord should be legal.

I don't think that makes sense, does it make sense a Chaos Lord picks up a missile launcher for a specific scenario? Yes. Should missile launcher Chaos Lords be the standard? No. Do I trust GW to cost missile launchers and every other silly loadout for Chaos Lords so high that they don't become standard? No. If you don't want to see something in the game it shouldn't be available, you can't and shouldn't trust pts to engineer fluffy armies. If you want to play casual games with a missile launcher Chaos Lord I don't mind, but I don't want everyone to bring it. On top of that it is perfectly possible that a Company Commander cannot be part of a Heavy Weapon team or carry a missile launcher on his own and still perform his regular duties, certain Tau weapons might not fit on the XV8 battlesuit and so shouldn't be options for Commanders.

 Super Ready wrote:


Please gods no. This... this is a joke, right? Have Marines not had enough attention already? Do the other factions not deserve their turn yet?
Do you really want this to turn into ANOTHER 30-page Marine-bash thread?!

Nope. Just get it over with. Whatever they’re going to do just do it, finish it, and be done with it. Doing 2-3 months of releases spread out over six would be worse.


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 vict0988 wrote:

Breton wrote:
Write the Missions in such a way that you need a little bit of each kind of thing - fast movement, rapid redeploys, objective sitting, killing, etc. to max scoring across multiple missions. i.e. the skew list that might sail through this mission would absolutely crater on the two more - expecting every mission to punish all skew lists is unlikely to be successful. Write the codex to give a varied list bonuses.

I don't think it's fair for the player that gets pummeled by spam round 1 because the mission doesn't punish it nor is it fair for the person that pummels spam round 2 because the mission punishes it a lot. A list can have a negative impact on the meta even if it doesn't win tournaments and you shouldn't be able to pick an army that gets an easy 3/2 because you spam knowing that you won't win the tournament, but you will win most of your games. I think it is possible for every mission to punish spam. It's just a question of making spam counter secondaries good enough and the alternative secondaries bad enough that spam becomes unappealing. The last step is making sure that no units are massively undercosted such that nobody feels bad about taking a Dreadnought, a Land Raider and an Eradicator squad instead of 3 of one of them.

There’s always going to be a spam list that can/does hit the high points of one mission. I’d like to see a return to random secondaries, or wild mix and match pre selected secondaries that can’t be doubled up by doing the primary really well, and actually require risking the primary.

 vict0988 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Sounds like people definitely want modular HQs ala the old Marine Captain or Cadian Command Squad rather than the multipart but monopose ones we get now.

its honestly the best way to make HQs. It makes no sense that the leaders of a faction can't take whatever weaponry they wish.

A blaster Archon should be legal.
A Twin spinneret rifle WarpJumpPack Autarch should be legal.
A plasma caliver Tech priest Dominus should be legal.
A missile launcher Chaos lord should be legal.

I don't think that makes sense, does it make sense a Chaos Lord picks up a missile launcher for a specific scenario? Yes. Should missile launcher Chaos Lords be the standard? No. Do I trust GW to cost missile launchers and every other silly loadout for Chaos Lords so high that they don't become standard? No. If you don't want to see something in the game it shouldn't be available, you can't and shouldn't trust pts to engineer fluffy armies. If you want to play casual games with a missile launcher Chaos Lord I don't mind, but I don't want everyone to bring it. On top of that it is perfectly possible that a Company Commander cannot be part of a Heavy Weapon team or carry a missile launcher on his own and still perform his regular duties, certain Tau weapons might not fit on the XV8 battlesuit and so shouldn't be options for Commanders.

thats what im saying. Having options would be fun to build more custom characters instead of being forced into a specific loadout that doesn't fit the narrative. The chaos lord example was far fetched, i agree. But in the lore, Autarchs are dudes that have mastered every type of warfare the aspects have so them bringing the gear of a warp spider or of dark reapers makes sense and is fluffy. On the tabletop tho: grenade and sword. And you can only pick up a fusion pistol if you also take wings. Its so stupid.

Obviously i'm approaching it with a fluffy mindset. There will always be one loadout that is the best but thats still better than being forced in a single loadout and even the models that already have multiple options (Chaos lords and Captains) only one or two loadouts are useable.

My answer is simple: TROOPS!

Every faction in 40k should have access to a modern, option-stuffed kit with which to build their troops. Everything else in the game goes on pause until that's sorted, imo.

This is because troops make up such a large proportion not only of a lot of lists, but a faction's personality, and baseline for bits and conversions.

Ork boyz, for example. Godawful and conservatively designed kit that needs replacing.

Eldar Guardians stink, storm guardian sprue is some kind of joke, and rangers, let's not go there.

Gaunts are underpar and poorly designed for their frame, with a join running down their most prominent feature.

SM Scouts should either be given a decent sculpt or squatted. And if tacs are staying, they need a new kit more in line with DW/TS size firstborn: guys need to stop skipping leg day.

Guard get two boxes, with options for two different regiments in each, or the like, plus upgrade sprues.

CSM get a super-cool cultists box, new noise marines and new zerkers.

This may all sound pie in the sky, but we're only talking 11 releases and a couple of blisterpack sprues here. GW need to do some foundation work and stop with their primaris castles in the sky, if only for one release quarter.

I think GW should only release marine kits from now on.

It's obviously their best seller / favorite faction. Plenty of people will play 40k no matter what. The endless salt mines GW's inane release schedule creates would evaporate overnight.

They can even rebrand it.. Warhammer 30k


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I would rather see them stop releasing new gak and get their current range up to the same standard as their newer kits.

I would also like to see them slow down the new shiny plastic and work on releasing a good ruleset. A living ruleset sounds nice in theory, but in practice it generates bloat and confusion and eventually people give up on trying to keep up.

Then maybe expand the ranges.

 G00fySmiley wrote:
Tyranids could use some redos on kits but need a new codex with more gear options as they are having a rough time right now.

Would like to see revisions of the Lictor, Deathleaper, Red Terror and Carnifex kits.

Breton wrote:
Nope. Just get it over with. Whatever they’re going to do just do it, finish it, and be done with it. Doing 2-3 months of releases spread out over six would be worse.

Ah, ok. When you put it like that, that makes a lot more sense. And hopefully, with the aggressive Codex supplement releases, that's what we're going to see... but... well, we'll see.

 grouchoben wrote:
My answer is simple: TROOPS!

Every faction in 40k should have access to a modern, option-stuffed kit with which to build their troops. Everything else in the game goes on pause until that's sorted, imo.

This is because troops make up such a large proportion not only of a lot of lists, but a faction's personality, and baseline for bits and conversions.

Ork boyz, for example. Godawful and conservatively designed kit that needs replacing.

Eldar Guardians stink, storm guardian sprue is some kind of joke, and rangers, let's not go there.

Gaunts are underpar and poorly designed for their frame, with a join running down their most prominent feature.

SM Scouts should either be given a decent sculpt or squatted. And if tacs are staying, they need a new kit more in line with DW/TS size firstborn: guys need to stop skipping leg day.

Guard get two boxes, with options for two different regiments in each, or the like, plus upgrade sprues.

CSM get a super-cool cultists box, new noise marines and new zerkers.

This may all sound pie in the sky, but we're only talking 11 releases and a couple of blisterpack sprues here. GW need to do some foundation work and stop with their primaris castles in the sky, if only for one release quarter.

Agreed with getting basic troops in order, as also they form the majority of Kill Team units. £36 for some storm guardians is totally bonkers.

Continuing with the all the aspect warriors would be a great place to start.

A new asrta militarium vehical line would be great too.

A new asrta militarium vehical line would be great too.

What would you be looking for? Are you thinking revamps of existing models, or actual never-before-seen, new vehicles?

 Super Ready wrote:

Breton wrote:
Nope. Just get it over with. Whatever they’re going to do just do it, finish it, and be done with it. Doing 2-3 months of releases spread out over six would be worse.

Ah, ok. When you put it like that, that makes a lot more sense. And hopefully, with the aggressive Codex supplement releases, that's what we're going to see... but... well, we'll see.

If multipart outriders don't come next month, I fully expect to see them with the Dark Angels supplement in January or February.
By contrast, I don't expect anything alongside the BA/SW/DW supplements, beyond maybe reworked accessories sprues (shoulder pads, etc). It's why I think the DA supplement isn't coming until next year, to be honest, so the outriders and other strays have a book to go on sale with.

Orks need a standalone warboss model badly.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Ork-Warboss-with-Big-Choppa

This is the only Warboss you can buy by himself (and hes metal). Grukk you can only buy with his nobz squad.

 Billagio wrote:
Orks need a standalone warboss model badly.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Ork-Warboss-with-Big-Choppa

This is the only Warboss you can buy by himself (and hes metal). Grukk you can only buy with his nobz squad.

Why would they do that when they can make more Primaris Lieutenants?

Voss wrote:
By contrast, I don't expect anything alongside the BA/SW/DW supplements, beyond maybe reworked accessories sprues (shoulder pads, etc). It's why I think the DA supplement isn't coming until next year, to be honest, so the outriders and other strays have a book to go on sale with.

I could see the Outriders coming first and then a Ravenwing upgrade sprue later. Deathwing of course are pretty much already sorted.
The one thing I might expect to see with the BA/DA/SW Codices is the last of the Finecast models updated - which at this point is basically just special characters (Dante, Lukas, Azrael et al). I wonder, though, if they'll actually come out alongside the books...?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd like to point to the recent SoB Canoness release, as whilst the pose isn't really something you can change, it does have quite a few options.

The SoB canoness is a bizarre one as GW were even more ultra-restrictive than usual with their loadout - like having to exchange your boltpistol for a boltgun if you wanted to take a power sword... and then being forced to take a rod of office because reasons?

In no particular order, factions that need releases the most are Deathwatch, IG, Tyranids and Inquisition. Maybe something Ynnari, too.

Daemons need nothing, but I'd make exception for daemonettes that aren't shambling, ugly zombies.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Sounds like people definitely want modular HQs ala the old Marine Captain or Cadian Command Squad rather than the multipart but monopose ones we get now.

Everyone except GW, that is.

Yup, because new canoness and that DA dude were released by FFG

 Billagio wrote:
This is the only Warboss you can buy by himself (and hes metal). Grukk you can only buy with his nobz squad.

Or you know, buy AoS boss, cut off hand, and put spare klaw on it - takes seconds...

Orks are among the faction that need new releases the least beside kommandos, AoS covers what else they lack almost perfectly.

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 Irbis wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
This is the only Warboss you can buy by himself (and hes metal). Grukk you can only buy with his nobz squad.

Or you know, buy AoS boss, cut off hand, and put spare klaw on it - takes seconds...

Orks are among the faction that need new releases the least beside kommandos, AoS covers what else they lack almost perfectly.

Yeah I love having to cannibalize other games models because GW cant be bothered to support 40k orks with a proper warboss HQ. Dont get me wrong, conversions are central to ork players but it should be done because someone wanted to get creative or save money, not because GW doesnt have a modern model for a key unit. Dont you think its a little embarassing that the only single model HQ you can buy in a store is the wartrike? How are you supposed to get someone new into orks when thats the only HQ available when they come into the store? The start collecting set doesnt even have an HQ

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 Irbis wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
This is the only Warboss you can buy by himself (and hes metal). Grukk you can only buy with his nobz squad.

Or you know, buy AoS boss, cut off hand, and put spare klaw on it - takes seconds...

Orks are among the faction that need new releases the least beside kommandos, AoS covers what else they lack almost perfectly.

Yeah I love having to cannibalize other games models because GW cant be bothered to support 40k orks with a proper warboss HQ. Dont get me wrong, conversions are central to ork players but it should be done because someone wanted to get creative or save money, not because GW doesnt have a modern model for a key unit. Dont you think its a little embarassing that the only single model HQ you can buy in a store is the wartrike? How are you supposed to get someone new into orks when thats the only HQ available when they come into the store? The start collecting set doesnt even have an HQ

Simple, you tell them to start collecting Primaris (TM) Adeptus Astartes (TM) so they can have a supported miniature line. Then when GW sees more people are buying Primaris, they'll make more Primaris...

Eldar aspect warriors. No doubt. They still sell sculpts that have been around for a good 25 years and it’s a part of the army that has been mostly useless for a long time compared to the rest of the army.

Then they need to add some more Space Marines. A good few days will have passed since the last release and we will all be in withdrawal, shaking in our seats, sweating and rocking back and forth without our hourly imperium shot.

 grouchoben wrote:
Ork boyz, for example. Godawful and conservatively designed kit that needs replacing.

This came up in a thread recently and it bears repeating:

Be careful what you wish for.

Other than being quite hyperbolic to call the Ork Boyz kit "godawful", any replacement is sure to be in the current style of GW kit, meaning we'll ger 10 wonderful dynamically posed but utterly optionless minis that will look good in a group of 10, but once repeated 3 times each in a mob will start to look a little weird. There might not even be enough of weapon type (shoota/choppa & sluggaz) to equip the entire unit with one type. And all sorts of other limitations that come with GW's "modern" kits.

 Irbis wrote:
Yup, because new canoness and that DA dude were released by FFG

Your reading comprehension skills leave a lot to be desired...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Other than being quite hyperbolic to call the Ork Boyz kit "godawful", any replacement is sure to be in the current style of GW kit, meaning we'll ger 10 wonderful dynamically posed but utterly optionless minis that will look good in a group of 10, but once repeated 3 times each in a mob will start to look a little weird. There might not even be enough of weapon type (shoota/choppa & sluggaz) to equip the entire unit with one type. And all sorts of other limitations that come with GW's "modern" kits.

Point well taken, but I'd like to point out that Indomitus actually comes with enough guns to equip its Necron Warriors with all of either option, and that's an ETB starter set of all things. Maybe it's indicative of a change, maybe not.

Personally, while I recognize that most players seem to hold the Ork Boyz kit in high regard, for me the bowed posing on Boyz is a real deterrent to starting Orks.

Imperial Guards, both main eldar factions and orks are the armies that are in need of some revamp.

The Eldars certainly have the most work to do if only because the Craftworld line is enormous and practically antique. Pretty much every single non-vehicle, non wraith unit is in need of a revamp (except the windrider jetbikes)

Dark Eldars mostly need new units, characters and a revamp of their last two or three finecast models.

Imperial Guards need infantry units model. Their elite auxilaries and vehicles are mostly fine.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Everyone except the only people who count yes...

Are they not aware of 3d printing and a million and one artists who take commissions?

I'd like to point to the recent SoB Canoness release, as whilst the pose isn't really something you can change, it does have quite a few options.

But GW are about to release the "Captain with Master-crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle", as in, that's what it's called. Not a Captain, to which you can give a Heavy Bolt Rifle. No, it is actually listed in the rules on the contents page of the new Codex as "Captain with Master-crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle", so couldn't be more optionless if you tried.

That Dark Angels captain that could be built as either a named character or a unnamed captain with an okay amount of options was also pretty good. I reckon a few people would be okay with more like that?

Just wish they could design the unit entry in such a way that it didn't generate 6 different unit options much like space marine captains.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Other than being quite hyperbolic to call the Ork Boyz kit "godawful", any replacement is sure to be in the current style of GW kit, meaning we'll ger 10 wonderful dynamically posed but utterly optionless minis that will look good in a group of 10, but once repeated 3 times each in a mob will start to look a little weird. There might not even be enough of weapon type (shoota/choppa & sluggaz) to equip the entire unit with one type. And all sorts of other limitations that come with GW's "modern" kits.

Point well taken, but I'd like to point out that Indomitus actually comes with enough guns to equip its Necron Warriors with all of either option, and that's an ETB starter set of all things. Maybe it's indicative of a change, maybe not.

Personally, while I recognize that most players seem to hold the Ork Boyz kit in high regard, for me the bowed posing on Boyz is a real deterrent to starting Orks.

Also something in the ork boy kits favour. Every model in the same weight class that came out after was interchangeable. So you could create some unique models by combining boyz bits with stormboyz weapons, use extra bodies for lootas or burnas, give some nice flare with biker bits.

We may lose that option with a new boyz kit. (though if they gave us a new boyz kit that was built sorta like the nobs with different torsos supplied with a wealth of arms and heads i'd be pretty estatic and would bother to pick up half a dozen in all likelihood.)

Sumilidon wrote:


Then they need to add some more Space Marines. A good few days will have passed since the last release and we will all be in withdrawal, shaking in our seats, sweating and rocking back and forth without our hourly imperium shot.

Still anxiously awaiting Primaris with tea trollies!

Whenever they keep banging on about Marines being the poster boys, and the only thing that sells 40K, I can't help but think of Gandalf telling Bilbo "I think you've had that ring quite long enough."

SamusDrake wrote:

Sumilidon wrote:


Then they need to add some more Space Marines. A good few days will have passed since the last release and we will all be in withdrawal, shaking in our seats, sweating and rocking back and forth without our hourly imperium shot.

Still anxiously awaiting Primaris with tea trollies!

Whenever they keep banging on about Marines being the poster boys, and the only thing that sells 40K, I can't help but think of Gandalf telling Bilbo "I think you've had that ring quite long enough."

Does that make Xenos players the Sacksville-Bagginses (who where perpetually pissed Bilbo didn't die so they could get the bloody house) ?

BrianDavion wrote:


Does that make Xenos players the Sacksville-Bagginses (who where perpetually pissed Bilbo didn't die so they could get the bloody house) ?

But he has so much and practically lives on his own! What's Frodo going to do with it all? His own flesh and blood should share in his good fortune! And so should we!

BrianDavion wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

Sumilidon wrote:


Then they need to add some more Space Marines. A good few days will have passed since the last release and we will all be in withdrawal, shaking in our seats, sweating and rocking back and forth without our hourly imperium shot.

Still anxiously awaiting Primaris with tea trollies!

Whenever they keep banging on about Marines being the poster boys, and the only thing that sells 40K, I can't help but think of Gandalf telling Bilbo "I think you've had that ring quite long enough."

Does that make Xenos players the Sacksville-Bagginses (who where perpetually pissed Bilbo didn't die so they could get the bloody house) ?

That's just..... mean to Xeno players........ They're more like Pippin- laughed at and underestimated 'til he saves the day.

Imperial Guard desperately needs more regimental options in their kits. While some people are screaming about Finecast, at least there's Finecast as an option rather than having entire regiments completely discontinued.

After that give Aeldari players their plastic kits, I suppose.

Then Orks could probably use an update? Sure.

I wouldn't mind seeing Chaos Marines get different options for things like Chosen, and the specialized Legions like Emperor's Children and the like.

When it comes to Tau, GW should just make more Space Marines instead- just to spite Tau players for all the trash-talking in 7th Edition.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Imperial Guard desperately needs more regimental options in their kits. While some people are screaming about Finecast, at least there's Finecast as an option rather than having entire regiments completely discontinued.

After that give Aeldari players their plastic kits, I suppose.

Then Orks could probably use an update? Sure.

I wouldn't mind seeing Chaos Marines get different options for things like Chosen, and the specialized Legions like Emperor's Children and the like.

When it comes to Tau, GW should just make more Space Marines instead- just to spite Tau players for all the trash-talking in 7th Edition.

I keep seeing Guards clamoring for new regiments models but i just don't get it. Theyre the only army where people keep asking for subfaction-specific models.
Apart from conversion kits, no other army has ways to represent their various subfactions other than converting/paintjob. Why would guard be any different?

If you absolutely want to represent your Valhallan/Steel legion/Vostroyan, theres plenty of 3rd party options.

I do agree however that the basic cadian kit is pretty dated and that they look goofy as hell with their bobbleheads.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Apart from conversion kits, no other army has ways to represent their various subfactions other than converting/paintjob. Why would guard be any different?

Because they actually have radically different cosmetic differences in the subfactions?

Also- Astartes do have conversion kits for their subfactions.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
If you absolutely want to represent your Valhallan/Steel legion/Vostroyan, theres plenty of 3rd party options.

Not that I ever set foot in an actual GW establishment, but if I ever sustained a head injury and wanted to- they'd not allow me to bring in those 3rd party models. I can make the same argument for Aeldari models, Artel W has vastly superior versions of a lot of Aeldari units. If we're going to make the third party argument? Yeah, sure- I can make a 100% third-party army. A lot of factions can. That's not the point.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I do agree however that the basic cadian kit is pretty dated and that they look goofy as hell with their bobbleheads.

It's certainly outdated. I've been saying that the solution is to make more modular kits with more options- or at least upgrade kits for a new sprue. As it stands, you can't even get shotguns for Guard Veterans.

And the $40 price tag on a box of 5 scions is an absolute joke. And IMHO, they're inferior to the classic Storm Troopers.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Apart from conversion kits, no other army has ways to represent their various subfactions other than converting/paintjob. Why would guard be any different?

Because they actually have radically different cosmetic differences in the subfactions?

Which mean nothing gamewise, and is the whole reason why I've been so annoyingly insistent that if GW does anything big for the Regimental subfactions it needs to be accompanied by rules to differentiate things.

Also- Astartes do have conversion kits for their subfactions.

Oh please. It's shoulderpads, some heads, and a special gun. That's wildly different from what would be required to turn a Cadian into a Tallarn.
These are not and have not been the olden days where Cadians looked like this:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I do agree however that the basic cadian kit is pretty dated and that they look goofy as hell with their bobbleheads.

It's certainly outdated. I've been saying that the solution is to make more modular kits with more options- or at least upgrade kits for a new sprue. As it stands, you can't even get shotguns for Guard Veterans.

You could up until a few years ago, but it was via FW.

Most people have been saying that any future Guard kits need new weapon options to be present--simply having flamer and grenade launcher isn't acceptable by any stretch of the imagination. Anything beyond that though decreases either the number of models in the box or the quality of options for the unit in question.

One of the big things I keep crusading for is different weapon options for the different 'archetypes' of Guard Infantry Squads, giving each Regiment and their associated units a more unique playstyle/aesthetic.

And the $40 price tag on a box of 5 scions is an absolute joke. And IMHO, they're inferior to the classic Storm Troopers.

The 'classic' Stormtroopers look like they belong in some bad 80s scifi. The Scions are a much, much better aesthetic--although the price is crap.

With that said, the Start Collecting for them is an absurdly good value because of it.

Just to make myself clear: I am not against the idea of GW giving you guys Regiment-specific models, i was just wondering why Guard was the only faction i saw it asked for so much.

Take admech for example : Each cohort has different types of skitarii in the fluff, with looks that vary quite a bit from one another (the only common ground being the use of bionics and the color red). Stygies and Mars have very different descriptions for their skitarii, with Stygies ones using much more Xenotech.

Don't take it bad but i'd much rather see all metal and finecast models be done before giving guard a remake for a plastic kit.

I'd be interested to see where that 'different types of Skitarii' bit comes from...Stygies' Skitarii are specifically called out as ditching their black robes to blend in/obfuscate themselves as Martian when the circumstances dictate it. There's a mention about how Skitarii might be made up of different components from different worlds, but the end result is supposed to be the same or at least functionally the same.

The Xenarite Cult is more of a Techpriest thing than a Skitarii thing. And even then, it's heavily implied that they're not just doing things like grafting Necron bits to them--they're reverse-engineering it or taking bits of xenotech to blend it with Imperial kit.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'd be interested to see where that 'different types of Skitarii' bit comes from...Stygies' Skitarii are specifically called out as ditching their black robes to blend in/obfuscate themselves as Martian when the circumstances dictate it. There's a mention about how Skitarii might be made up of different components from different worlds, but the end result is supposed to be the same or at least functionally the same.

The Xenarite Cult is more of a Techpriest thing than a Skitarii thing. And even then, it's heavily implied that they're not just doing things like grafting Necron bits to them--they're reverse-engineering it or taking bits of xenotech to blend it with Imperial kit.

Well yes, they can disguise themselves. In the codex it talks about how every Cohort has their own types of skitariis, stygies having more sneaky designs with some xenotech implemented in them (something as basic as a green-glowing powersword instead of a blue-glowing one). On the tabletop we only get Marsian skitarii.

I don't play Eldar, and I don't even really like them that much, but even I think new Aspect Warriors should be prioritized for new kits.

 CommanderWalrus wrote:
I don't play Eldar, and I don't even really like them that much, but even I think new Aspect Warriors should be prioritized for new kits.

The fact that they still have finecast models made from metal molds from 1993 says a lot.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'd be interested to see where that 'different types of Skitarii' bit comes from...Stygies' Skitarii are specifically called out as ditching their black robes to blend in/obfuscate themselves as Martian when the circumstances dictate it. There's a mention about how Skitarii might be made up of different components from different worlds, but the end result is supposed to be the same or at least functionally the same.

The Xenarite Cult is more of a Techpriest thing than a Skitarii thing. And even then, it's heavily implied that they're not just doing things like grafting Necron bits to them--they're reverse-engineering it or taking bits of xenotech to blend it with Imperial kit.

Well yes, they can disguise themselves. In the codex it talks about how every Cohort has their own types of skitariis, stygies having more sneaky designs with some xenotech implemented in them (something as basic as a green-glowing powersword instead of a blue-glowing one). On the tabletop we only get Marsian skitarii.

Mind throwing some page numbers out there? Only mention I can find of any real difference is regarding the 'stealth screens and auspex-befouling technologies to confound their enemies and obscure their presence and mission'(p18).

Only real mentions I've got with regards to the whole 'how every Cohort has their own types of Skitarii' is more about the Specialist Cohorts being built around specific concepts--Infiltration Clades, Rad-Zone Corps, Armoured Cadres, etc.

I'd really be interested in reading this stuff as Stygies is my jam and I don't recognize any of that stuff outside of the Mechanicus game(which has you playing as Mars).

Tycho wrote:

A new asrta militarium vehical line would be great too.

What would you be looking for? Are you thinking revamps of existing models, or actual never-before-seen, new vehicles?

New existing models. LR third hand models really look so much better. Time for model updates. Their super heavies are fine. Chimera and LR and Artillery's chassis need to be updated.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I keep seeing Guards clamoring for new regiments models but i just don't get it. Theyre the only army where people keep asking for subfaction-specific models.

I'll take "25 years of having models to represent the Regiments, combined with sub-faction rules which revolve around these different sculpts" for $500, please, Alex.

 Dysartes wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I keep seeing Guards clamoring for new regiments models but i just don't get it. Theyre the only army where people keep asking for subfaction-specific models.

I'll take "25 years of having models to represent the Regiments, combined with sub-faction rules which revolve around these different sculpts" for $500, please, Alex.

Doctrines book was the only time the models mattered, to be honest.

 Kanluwen wrote:

And the $40 price tag on a box of 5 scions is an absolute joke. And IMHO, they're inferior to the classic Storm Troopers.

The 'classic' Stormtroopers look like they belong in some bad 80s scifi. The Scions are a much, much better aesthetic--although the price is crap.

With that said, the Start Collecting for them is an absurdly good value because of it.

Just one day after I discover Turbo Dork paints. Darn it, now I have to paint a "classic" stormtrooper in their Miami Sunset.

Was it really as long as 25 years since we've been able to get the likes of Mordians, Valhallans and Tallarn...?
The thing is, back when the different Guard regiments were commonplace, they really were all the same rules-wise - with any differences manifesting in their special characters, and nowhere else. But that was before the game had army-wide special rules for every faction, let alone stratagems.

I guess what I'm saying is, different regiment models and rules to support them would be the best way to update the Guard - but let's not pretend it's returning them to some former glory, through rose-tinted glasses. Instead it's a much needed improvement to bring them up to speed with the game that left them behind.

Considering the special edition guard characters, and recently updating the Sisters of Battle - and even the Skitarii dudes - then it seems the Imperial Guard would be up next.

And lets face it; Ghaz's real nemesis is Yarrick. Its violating tradition if they don't come as a pair...

New existing models. LR third hand models really look so much better. Time for model updates. Their super heavies are fine. Chimera and LR and Artillery's chassis need to be updated.

I could see that. I do still like all of those, but when you compare them to the newer stuff, I think they're just starting to skew a bit "cartoony" to my eye.

I keep seeing Guards clamoring for new regiments models but i just don't get it. Theyre the only army where people keep asking for subfaction-specific models.
Apart from conversion kits, no other army has ways to represent their various subfactions other than converting/paintjob. Why would guard be any different?

It's how they've been set up in the fluff. Space Marines all wear power armor. So what's the visual difference between a Flesh Tearer and a Ultramarine? "This one is blue". Tau Fire Warriors all have the same uniform regardless of sept, so what's the difference between a Tau Sept FW and a Farsight Conclave FW? "This one is red".

IG were set up form the start to represent the home worlds they came from. So it was "what's the difference between this Catachan and this Vostroyan?" "Well, this one comes from a jungle death world where it's never cooler than 102F and the humidity is always at least 120%, while THAT one comes from a Ice World that's constantly snow covered and always well below freezing." So naturally, the uniforms would be different, and you would use each regiment to the environment for which it was best suited. Cadians becoming the unofficial de-facto standard aside, IG have never had an official "one size fits all" uniform like all the other races/factions. I sometimes wonder if GW now regrets setting it up like that ...

The T'au Empire could use a revamp for the auxiliaries (Kroot Carnivores/Shaper, Kroot Hounds, Krootox, Vespid), and maybe new XV-25 suits.

The rest of our kits seem just fine, though I wish we got more CIB and AFP in plastic for Crisis Suits.

All of these, except perhaps Kroot Hounds and Krootox, should probably be lower priority than most of the eldar/IG kits discussed... but if they're going to revamp something T'au, those should probably be it.

What the T'au need most is a huge shift in how the army plays/mechanics, because they're mostly built to castle as is, and that's really problematic for not only 9th edition mechanics, but traditional T'au fluff as well.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:


I keep seeing Guards clamoring for new regiments models but i just don't get it. Theyre the only army where people keep asking for subfaction-specific models.
Apart from conversion kits, no other army has ways to represent their various subfactions other than converting/paintjob. Why would guard be any different?

If you absolutely want to represent your Valhallan/Steel legion/Vostroyan, theres plenty of 3rd party options.

I do agree however that the basic cadian kit is pretty dated and that they look goofy as hell with their bobbleheads.

No force in the universe will convince me that plastic Valhallans would not far outsell plastic Escher.

Or a plastic Halfling Blood Bowl team.

Or [insert here].

Any IG army needs 10+ infantry boxes, so offering a spew of different regiments would sell well even if the number of Tallarn players is lower than the number of Tau Aernautica Imperialis players.

 Dysartes wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I keep seeing Guards clamoring for new regiments models but i just don't get it. Theyre the only army where people keep asking for subfaction-specific models.

I'll take "25 years of having models to represent the Regiments, combined with sub-faction rules which revolve around these different sculpts" for $500, please, Alex.

That, mostly.

Also that their basic special weapon options (and vox) aren't in the infantry boxes, and the command boxes only have 1 of each.
I can excuse the heavy weapons teams (because one box goes a fair way if you even want HWTs in the squad), but missing the basic options is an issue.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

No force in the universe will convince me that plastic Valhallans would not far outsell plastic Escher.

Or a plastic Halfling Blood Bowl team.

Or [insert here].

There's nothing outside of a lasgun to separate a Valhallan from some 3rd party pseudo-Russian WWII models in the same scale.
There's a lot that makes Escher different from other offerings in plastic.

Any IG army needs 10+ infantry boxes, so offering a spew of different regiments would sell well even if the number of Tallarn players is lower than the number of Tau Aernautica Imperialis players.

Difference is that there's not a secondary or third party market for Aeronautica Imperialis stuff in plastic.

And that anyone running "10+ infantry boxes"(which is nowhere near what most lists are running, FYI) is going to be trying to get the cheapest options possible.


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 Dysartes wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I keep seeing Guards clamoring for new regiments models but i just don't get it. Theyre the only army where people keep asking for subfaction-specific models.

I'll take "25 years of having models to represent the Regiments, combined with sub-faction rules which revolve around these different sculpts" for $500, please, Alex.

That, mostly.

Also that their basic special weapon options (and vox) aren't in the infantry boxes, and the command boxes only have 1 of each.
I can excuse the heavy weapons teams (because one box goes a fair way if you even want HWTs in the squad), but missing the basic options is an issue.

Both Catachan and Cadian plastic boxes include vox-casters.

Spot on about the weapon options though...but those were different days, where units would have blisters designed to go with them.

still so much about guard. i get it and I go think they should work in more regiments... but please look at the eldar fire dragons and several other aspect warriors, then look at the guard kits then tell me which needs to be redone more. I don't think it needs to be zero sum game though... relese a aspect squad here, a infantry squad for guard there, maybe a chaos kit mixed in occationally etc. or they (GW)could just keep pumping out primaris... they will probably just do that (which to be fair sells)

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Apart from conversion kits, no other army has ways to represent their various subfactions other than converting/paintjob. Why would guard be any different?

Because they actually have radically different cosmetic differences in the subfactions?

Also- Astartes do have conversion kits for their subfactions.

You realize the quoted text literally starts with "Apart from conversion kits,"?

and the conversion kits are pretty minor, shoulderpads and a few heads.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Just to make myself clear: I am not against the idea of GW giving you guys Regiment-specific models, i was just wondering why Guard was the only faction i saw it asked for so much.

Partially because it takes more than a fur cloak or a raised detail shoulterpad to turn a Cadian into a Vostroyan.

The problem is 1 of 6 guard players playing Voystroyan, 1 of 6 playing Catachans, 1 Tallarn, 1 Mordian, 1 Cadian, and 1 Valhallan just means none of them will get shelf space. 9 different Space Marine chapters and successors can buy the same kit with an upgrade blisterpack or two. If IG want all of their kits on the shelf, you're looking at a basic Guardsman kit and Regiment upgrade packs so they're all going to give up their cosmetic differences except for a couple detail bits and a Sergeant chest.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Both Catachan and Cadian plastic boxes include vox-casters.

Spoiler:

Spot on about the weapon options though...but those were different days, where units would have blisters designed to go with them.

So much empty space on those sprues compared to more modern kits - at a minimum, with a reshuffle I think the arms for the other 3 (or 4) special weapons would fit, and maybe even an arm for a Sergeant lasgun.

Admittedly, GW being GW the special weapon arms would probably be set up so you could only make one straight out of the box, but there you go.

I do think the Cadian arm system works better than the Catachan one - I seem to recall getting the lasguns in place on the jungle boys was always a pain.

When it comes to the eventual remake of the Guard, it's going to need to be a bit … tricky.

What you WANT are a combination of Trooper Sprues and Stuff Sprues.

This would be broken down as follows:

2 Trooper Sprues and 1 Infantry Stuff for infantry squads.

1 Trooper Sprue and 1 Command Sprue for command squads

1 Heavy Weapon Team Sprue and 1 Heavy Weapon Sprue for heavy weapon teams.

The three Stuff sprues would have the stuff that this squad would need... special weapons, a voxcaster, etc for Infantry, vox, banner, etc for command, heavy weapons for the heavy teams … but no limbs or heads at all.

The two trooper sprues (one of five bodies, one with three heavy teams) have all the arms, heads, etc, for your needs.

By splitting it up this way, you can slowly add more types of GUard forces by just using a new Trooper Sprue and re-using the Stuff sprues.

So, you'd start with New Cadians, which might just be "The Imperial Guard", the most common force in the known galaxy, then add from there. A Catachan would need just two sprues. A Vallhallan would just need two sprues, and so on.

Minimal resculpting, and you can use the same arm poses, with different uniforms over them, to make sure that the same weapon sprues fit each design right.

It's the most money-efficient way. Start with The Imperial guard, then add a new set once a year for a few years... Catachan to start, then Vallhallan, and so on. Get around six before you're done, top each off with a thematic HQ choice, and Bob's your uncle.

Wakshaani wrote:


It's the most money-efficient way.

No, it's not. The shelf real estate for 6 boxes of 4 different kits is cost prohibitive. There's a reason they aren't Long Hellblasters, Deathwing Intercessors, or Death Assault Intercessors. They're shrinking the number of boxes on the shelf.

I’d like new Guard, but really what I’d like is more Guard. Neither Cadians nor Catachans have aged too well, but more variety is key IMHO. More regiments, rather than squatting Cadians and Catachans would be preferable.

 DalekCheese wrote:
I’d like new Guard, but really what I’d like is more Guard. Neither Cadians nor Catachans have aged too well, but more variety is key IMHO. More regiments, rather than squatting Cadians and Catachans would be preferable.

It's an interesting one for guard, no other faction requests variations of it's core kits for the subfaction, I get guard are very visually diverse and GW made a rod for their own back on that one, but it is a very unique issue and something I can't see happening tbh.

Emperors children would be.... perfect

mrFickle wrote:
Emperors children would be.... perfect

Not too perfect, though. Nothing good will come of absolutely perfect EC

The premise that GW will ever finish MOAR MARINES is flawed. GW will never finish MOAR MARINES.

At best, we can hope other factions will get a bone every once in a while.

GW wrote:But don’t you see? We gave some factions one (1) model! BALANCE!

I have finished to paint my 4th IK by now. This means I am ready for a fully fledged Mecha game system to use these models.

And no, IK:Renegade isn't a substitute.

Factions to Bring Back:

- Renegades and Heretics

Factions to address with new model Ranges:

Tyranids - They just need the love that Necrons just got.

Eldar - Plastic Aspects, Phoenix Lords and a new Avatar

Drukhari - Give them the Blackstone Fortress stuff (Like they mingling with their Aliens) and Tureborn kit and a plastic Coven kit. Bring back the Old characters too!

T'au - Give them more Auxiliaries. they have the T'au part all done and nicely rounded out

 Strg Alt wrote:
I have finished to paint my 4th IK by now. This means I am ready for a fully fledged Mecha game system to use these models.

And no, IK:Renegade isn't a substitute.

sadly for you AT is in a differant scale

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Imperial Guard desperately needs more regimental options in their kits. While some people are screaming about Finecast, at least there's Finecast as an option rather than having entire regiments completely discontinued.

After that give Aeldari players their plastic kits, I suppose.

Then Orks could probably use an update? Sure.

I wouldn't mind seeing Chaos Marines get different options for things like Chosen, and the specialized Legions like Emperor's Children and the like.

When it comes to Tau, GW should just make more Space Marines instead- just to spite Tau players for all the trash-talking in 7th Edition.

Well, we know orks are getting at minimum one model from that teaser they showed the deathguard, sororitis and other model. Plus a few rumour engine posts that look very, very orkhish. But besides that I reckon the ork line is still sitting pretty decently. Other lines could very much use a tune up more urgently. Dark elder have a few gaps still, and regular elder certainly do need some of their core units to be made into plastic. Dunno why it's taken 2 decades for it.

If you ignore the finecast issues, orks really just need one or two HQ kits for the ones missing in action and a proper kopta kit.
Outside of that, game-wise the range is rather complete.

 The Warp Forge wrote:
Factions to address with new model Ranges:

Tyranids - They just need the love that Necrons just got.

Do they? Most of the Tyranid range is plastic already, and aside from new Gaunts what of the existing plastics really needs to change? Genestealers?

Anything that doesn't invalidate older kits is actually welcome. I mean kits in addition to already existing stuff or updates of altready existing stuff that don't change dimensions, wargear, etc of the updated units.

More releases like incubi, necron warriors, all new sisters etc, no releases like new ghaz, ragnar, or new units that sooner or later will actually replace classic stuff (see primaris), etc...

No new Ghaz or Ragnar? That would leave us with two ancient (one of them being one of the most ancient) minis in 40K still kicking around.

I'd say eldar, even though nobody in my group plays them. A lot of their line is old enough to vote.

As for my own army, I just want plastic tankbustas.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No new Ghaz or Ragnar? That would leave us with two ancient (one of them being one of the most ancient) minis in 40K still kicking around.

The previous Ghaz is still my favorite GW model in history while I despise anything primaris related, huge models (like new ghaz) and scenic basis. I would have loved a new ghaz with the size of the previous one and a new ragnar with the size of a wolf lord and not a primaris dude. The current ragnar is also huge compared to a firstborn marine. Older models would still be legit without stucking iconic characters into ancient sculpts.

The new Thrakka pretty much matches the artwork in size though, and he actually still looks decent if you leave the scenic base off.
I'm fairly glad about the new model, I just wished they hadn't axed the MA warboss so the old one would still serve a purpose.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 The Warp Forge wrote:
Factions to address with new model Ranges:

Tyranids - They just need the love that Necrons just got.

Do they? Most of the Tyranid range is plastic already, and aside from new Gaunts what of the existing plastics really needs to change? Genestealers?

I imagine he's talking about new stuff. The Necs didn't NEED a new floating throne dude and a half dozen new lord types but they got them.

Do the nids NEED I dunno, dragon flies or dung beetles or centipedes? No. But I bet there's room to make some really cool new monsters.

 Jidmah wrote:
The new Thrakka pretty much matches the artwork in size though, and he actually still looks decent if you leave the scenic base off.
I'm fairly glad about the new model, I just wished they hadn't axed the MA warboss so the old one would still serve a purpose.

they really need to bring back mega armored warbosses. it'd be like making terminator captains legends.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 The Warp Forge wrote:
Factions to address with new model Ranges:

Tyranids - They just need the love that Necrons just got.

Do they? Most of the Tyranid range is plastic already, and aside from new Gaunts what of the existing plastics really needs to change? Genestealers?

I imagine he's talking about new stuff. The Necs didn't NEED a new floating throne dude and a half dozen new lord types but they got them.

Do the nids NEED I dunno, dragon flies or dung beetles or centipedes? No. But I bet there's room to make some really cool new monsters.

Definitely, but they've covered a lot of them so there's limited design space now really. They don't have a lord of war so easy addition there, some new gaunts/stealers wouldn't go amiss, get rid of finecast so red terror, lictors, death leaper, pyrovore and biovore. That's a healthy release in and of itself and just make some dual kits with new units in.

Tyranids still have lots of design space. GW could port several of the models over from forgeworld - Malanthrope or a "lord of war" heiroduel.

They could also bring some of the unique variations back - Parasite of Mortix (invests units with rippers); the shrieks as their own unit (winged warriors); etc...

I agree Tyranids are overall in an honestly good position; even though I'd love them to get a nice update and remove the last of the finecast; Eldar and mutliple AoS armies are in FAR more need of the lions share (necron style) attention from GW.

Tyranids I feel really just need a rules update. And new Termies/Hormies, at least get shot of the two part heads!

Eldar need some love, no doubt about it.

Plastic Aspects and Phoenix Lords are the bare minimum. Vyper needs a spit and polish kit update too. Oh, and an Avatar.

Honestly I'd be happy if GW just released a separate gaunt head plastic kit (not FW because then they'd look fab but would cost more than a whole gaunt).

I'd love to re-create something like my teenage Eldar army but...not with the same models in an apparently worse material.

Guard regiments would be amazing but don't see it happening en masse with the way they're doing things currently.

Definitely Marines from the revenue point of view.
But I guess GW will run out of ideas (hopefully!) for increasing the range of Marines.

Looking at Necrons and Death Guard, GW seems to think every single faction (marines included tbf) needs a terrain piece. God knows why, but this is what we are getting realistically for every faction that doesn't have one yet after marines. Would I have preferred some long ranged AT fire support or a special hellbrute for my DG? Sure but terrain is what we are all getting, so get used to it.
Edit: Sorry should have read the OP first I assume. Terrain is what I think everyone WILL be getting as for what should, probably an update for the old ranges like Eldar and personally I would have liked some more special infantry units over a character and a building but c'est la vie.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No new Ghaz or Ragnar? That would leave us with two ancient (one of them being one of the most ancient) minis in 40K still kicking around.

Ragnar Blackmane? Just crossed the Primaris Rubicon, and has a new mini.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Tyranids I feel really just need a rules update. And new Termies/Hormies, at least get shot of the two part heads!

Nids need primarily a rules update. Some new units would help them. They could use a mid range jump/flyer (Gargoyle/Warriors kit with melee primary+wings) with a strong melee component aimed at Aircraft and hardened infantry. They could probably use some sort of Skyfire unit. As near as I can tell their best choice outside of taking an "aircraft" of their own are Gargoyles or Flyrants. And neither of those choices are all that good. The flyrant has better things to do, and the Gargoyles are more likely to bounce off.






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 Castozor wrote:
Looking at Necrons and Death Guard, GW seems to think every single faction (marines included tbf) needs a terrain piece. God knows why,

The new Fortiifcation Detachment. It has to match your faction. I'm hoping they do something with the old fortifications to give them a <Faction> but it's likely people who already bought those will be <SCREWED>.

but this is what we are getting realistically for every faction that doesn't have one yet after marines. Would I have preferred some long ranged AT fire support or a special hellbrute for my DG? Sure but terrain is what we are all getting, so get used to it.
Edit: Sorry should have read the OP first I assume. Terrain is what I think everyone WILL be getting as for what should, probably an update for the old ranges like Eldar and personally I would have liked some more special infantry units over a character and a building but c'est la vie.

 Castozor wrote:
Looking at Necrons and Death Guard, GW seems to think every single faction (marines included tbf) needs a terrain piece. God knows why, but this is what we are getting realistically for every faction that doesn't have one yet after marines. Would I have preferred some long ranged AT fire support or a special hellbrute for my DG? Sure but terrain is what we are all getting, so get used to it.

We know that DG will also be getting a character that buffs long ranged fire support, so it's kind of what you wanted.

 Blackie wrote:
updates of altready existing stuff that don't change dimensions, wargear, etc of the updated units.

More releases like incubi, necron warriors, all new sisters etc

Sisters changed scale massively. Old sisters barely reach the shoulder of new Sisters.

As a nigh-exclusive Guard player for some seventeen years, I definitely think Eldar need their metal/Finecrap stuff going over to plastic before Guard. If nothing else, give them a new Viper model for pities sake, put it out of it's misery once and for all.

The only things that Guard could do with updating are the Infantry Squads, Heavy Weapon Teams and Command Squad. They've aged very well to say they're almost two decades old but the upscaling of everything is really making them look- well, squat. The vehicles are otherwise fine.

I really do not see Catachans being the revamped Guard, nor do I want them to. For all people bemoan them as boring, Cadian's universalness means they fit onto just about any table thematically. Catachans with their bare arms and chests would look really weird on anything but a jungle board. I've said it before, but looking at the Catachan Officer other than what flesh he shows his equipment all looks very standardised, so if he slapped a shirt on he could very easily pass as a Cadian and I think that's the route they'll go - not Catachans specifically, but might have some bare arms you can use in a kit to represent them, or Cadians.

Aeldari (all three varieties) need a makeover worse than anyone else, that range is just tragically out of date. Drukhari in particular need some new HQ options while they're at it, the situation there is absurd.

For the armies I play:

Marines don't need a damn thing. In all honesty at this point W2 Firstborn is almost an insult; just give jump packs to Assault Intercessors, Grav Cannons and Missile Launchers to something, the Primaris keyword to Centurions, put out an Outrider Captain, and push Firstborn to Legends already. Quit dancing a circle around it, it's undignified.

(That would mean just about every Firstborn model would have a direct counts-as Primaris equivalent if you squint a bit and/or with minimal surgery.)

Custodes really need some of their FW range brought over into plastic, a faction that isn't FW exclusive should be able to function without adding FW bits.

I hate to say this because of how well Daemons have been doing on the tournament scene, but Daemons kind of need some shooting options outside of the Soulgrinder. A smaller general Daemon Engine in the 100-130 point range, maybe a 3-6 model unit in the vicinity of Wraith Guard or Hive Guard, maybe something like the Master of Possessions. I'd love to have mono-god versions of each, but realistically a small release of more general kits would be a better investment for GW.

I'm working on 'nids, that collection is showing it's age a bit but it's still mostly fine. I think the thing that has aged the worst is probably the Genestealers.

I disagree that all three varieties of Eldar need a makeover - that's true of the Eldar Eldar, but the Dark Eldar and Clown Eldar need expansions rather than makeovers.

In the case of the Clown Eldar - who, if my count on the GW site is correct, currently have around 8 kits available to them - I'd start with a Great Harlequin, and then add a secondary infantry unit. I know Mimes were a thing in the Citadel Journal list days, so they may be worth exploring as an option.

Dark Eldar need additional HQ options, and possibly a return of Vect on Dias of Destruction as their equivalent of the Silent King - pop an on-foot sculpt in there at the same time, why not? Trueborn and... Bloodbrides (I think) getting dedicated kits would be a nice touch. Lt-level generic HQs for each of the three "types" of DE are needed, even if that structure doesn't stick around in the new 'dex, along with some more mobile options. I'm sure DE players can come up with some other wants, but from the outside looking in, I'd describe them as needs - oh, and converting Finecast to plastic, of course.

Eldar probably need a new (or just recut) Guardian kit, probably a recut Falcon/etc, and a recut Vyper - not sure on the hate for the design of the latter, myself. And, yes, moving all Finecast to plastic. I still don't get why we haven't seen a Shining Spears upgrade sprue for the new jetbike kit - it seems like this particular fruit is so low-hanging, it's about to fall off the tree.

I'd love to see a new traditional Marine kit, just for the number of heads that would explode as reality failed to compute for them. At the very least, can we get the Long Fangs kit back, for access to the infantry Hellfrost weapon?

Custodes are in the same boat as the Clown Elves - they've had the equivalent of a wave 1 release as an introduction to the faction, and now they need a wave 2 to expand it. I don't know as I'd directly port FW units into the 'dex, but certainly some similar roles need filing.

Look to old Epic for some possible Daemon Engines - the Plague Catapult for Nurgle, for example. There were a whole host of Khorne ones, too.

...yeah, a Loyalist Marine kit to match the new C:SM kit would make some heads 'splode.

The Newman wrote:

Marines don't need a damn thing. In all honesty at this point W2 Firstborn is almost an insult; just give jump packs to Assault Intercessors, Grav Cannons and Missile Launchers to something, the Primaris keyword to Centurions, put out an Outrider Captain, and push Firstborn to Legends already. Quit dancing a circle around it, it's undignified.

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They need aircraft, or they need to primaris keyword and cross-platform transport for the Storm Talon/Raven with Intercessors and Redemptors/Invictors. And yeah, it drives me bonkers Assault intercessors didn't get a jump pack. Or that they didn't give Reivers FA, and Counts As Jump Pack if they have Graps and Chutes for 25% off.

The Newman wrote:


I hate to say this because of how well Daemons have been doing on the tournament scene, but Daemons kind of need some shooting options outside of the Soulgrinder. A smaller general Daemon Engine in the 100-130 point range, maybe a 3-6 model unit in the vicinity of Wraith Guard or Hive Guard, maybe something like the Master of Possessions. I'd love to have mono-god versions of each, but realistically a small release of more general kits would be a better investment for GW.

I agree they should put out some general kits that work for all four gods. Have some details on each model with god specific bits and you'd have a kit that works for everyone. Harpies could have been done with leathery bat wings for Khorne and Slaanesh, feathered wings for Tzeentch, insect wings for Nurgle. God specific heads.

I thought recently it would be nice if the troops could have alternative weapons, which could be the shooting option. Some kind of poisonous blowpipe for plaguebearers, throwing axes for bloodletters, whatever else for daemonettes. It would really help objective play for mono god lists, would just be another sprue in each box and I don't think it's unreasonable given the price of them. Ork boyz have two options, chaos marines do, why not daemons?

New aspect warriors/Exarchs please please GW ❤️

 Luunar wrote:
New aspect warriors/Exarchs please please GW ❤️

Don't forget the Phoenix Lords and the Avatar

A plastic Aviator of Khaine would be pretty cool - I really need to get around to sorting my RT Aviator onto a suitable base...

Considering almost all the other big monsters have gone up in scale I'd be shocked if any major Eldar Revamp didn't have an Avatar update. Necrons have skipped it with two of their C'Tan right now, but the Void Dragon is certainly a bigger model.

 Dysartes wrote:
A plastic Aviator of Khaine would be pretty cool - I really need to get around to sorting my RT Aviator onto a suitable base...

I can only presume this is a result of your phone's autocorrect, but that is a funny image.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
A plastic Aviator of Khaine would be pretty cool - I really need to get around to sorting my RT Aviator onto a suitable base...

I can only presume this is a result of your phone's autocorrect, but that is a funny image.

Unlikely, given I'm posting from my laptop - but I do have a RT Aviator, along with two Epic ones, and a 40mm base that I plan on combining at some point. I may need to build the base up a touch, though.

The Dark Eldar revamp is only edging a decade old this year and I think visually they still look fantastic, the problem is they released in a weird period just before Finecrap launched and just before they started really prioritising plastic above any other material. It's probably not laziness that the new plastic Incubi are almost identical to the metal/Finecrap ones - the sculpt was/is great. I suspect it's also why the plastic Archon and Succubus released only a few short years after the metal sculpts. They really need their existing Finecrap stuff converting over to plastic and/or consolidating into a new boxed kit (looking at you Beastmaster and friends).

Harlequins either need more kits, or just shunt them back into the Eldar/Dark Eldar codex. That or make 'em a supplement, but not a full blown standalone 'army'.

Eldar have aged very well (mostly), but they really, really need Aspect Warriors in plastic sooner rather than later, a new Viper and I still can't believe the Avatar hasn't received a new model yet. Guardians hold up visually, but I imagine the scale creep has not been friendly to them.

Possible new hope for the wretched Xenos?

GSC and Necrons both got a lot of attention of late. The former taken from a relatively bare bones force, to one with lots of options, at least models wise.

My hope is that the remaining Xenos forces get more than just a No More Finecast spit and polish job. Because whilst I’m sure many would be happy to also have entirely plastic ranges, entirely new kits are always welcome.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Possible new hope for the wretched Xenos?

GSC and Necrons both got a lot of attention of late. The former taken from a relatively bare bones force, to one with lots of options, at least models wise.

My hope is that the remaining Xenos forces get more than just a No More Finecast spit and polish job. Because whilst I’m sure many would be happy to also have entirely plastic ranges, entirely new kits are always welcome.

I mean.... "no more finecast spit and polish job" for CWE would be a pretty beefy release

It would indeed. But still give them new toys all the same!

Not gonna suggest what exactly, as I’m not an Eldar player so I don’t consider myself qualified to comment further.

 Super Ready wrote:

 Luunar wrote:
New aspect warriors/Exarchs please please GW ❤️

Don't forget the Phoenix Lords and the Avatar

Oops, I meant Phoenix Lords when I said exarchs haha
Also yes please new avatar

 Strg Alt wrote:
I have finished to paint my 4th IK by now. This means I am ready for a fully fledged Mecha game system to use these models.

And no, IK:Renegade isn't a substitute.

Adeptus Titanicus but change the movement units. There are some brilliant pictures of the playtesting of AT with full-size titans.