As a long time Necron player I have to say they priced me out of the silent king. 150 dollars for a single plastic kit (throne better be gold plated for that price) way to expensive in my mind. And this comes from someone who’s in mid life with a well paying career. I applaud them on the other kits though they are priced lower than I expected they would be with new price structure.

So do you think 150 dollars is fair? I understand he is the show piece of the army. The big leader if you will but what’s next 200 dollars for a main character?

Grimlineman wrote:
As a long time Necron player I have to say they priced me out of the silent king. 150 dollars for a single plastic kit (throne better be gold plated for that price) way to expensive in my mind. And this comes from someone who’s in mid life with a well paying career. I applaud them on the other kits though they are priced lower than I expected they would be with new price structure.

So do you think 150 dollars is fair? I understand he is the show piece of the army. The big leader if you will but what’s next 200 dollars for a main character?

It's not a new price point, it shares this place with Magnus and Mortarion, both are large complex plastic kits with massive in game potential and a huge chunk of the army, you also only ever want 1 of them if at all. Silent king shares this bracket both in terms of plastic, price, design scope, fluff intent and assumingly rules.

Whether it's good value or not is subjective, if you're asking if the pricing is out of line compared to the rest of GW's offerings, it's about right.

I don’t play those army’s so first time it’s been in my face. Thanks for sharing!

It's simply insane. But I can't stand those huge models and I wouldn't buy them anyway, even if they were 50-75% cheaper.

At some point I owned 20K+ of GW miniatures and never invested more than 60ish$ in a single model so far. Actually I only bought 3 models with such a price, anything else always under 45ish$.

For 150$ I can buy a 500-1000 points army from the second hand market.

 Blackie wrote:
It's simply insane. But I can't stand those huge models and I wouldn't buy them anyway, even if they were 50-75% cheaper.

At some point I owned 20K+ of GW miniatures and never invested more than 60ish$ in a single model so far. Actually I only bought 3 models with such a price, anything else always under 45ish$.

For 150$ I can buy a 500-1000 points army from the second hand market.

I literally could buy first hand all the conversion bits i'd need for a sideproject of mine for a full army for that money.

I would definitely never go with that. GW has pretty much priced me out of "super big thing tier" both in terms of box sets and huge models, I just generally don't like spending 150-250$ on one thing at one time. Particularly because if I bring a big 350-500 point model, that represents a solid 1/4 or more of my army dpeending on how much support it has, which just isnt what I usually like to bring to the table.

I also just generally dislike painting huge models. I have easily over 3000 miniatures, and I own one single knight sized model, which was a gift from an extremely cool former roommate who went home to china and found out one of his good friends was a recaster for that weird game his friend from the US played.

Assuming it's a 350+ point model the way magnus and morty are, it's actually not bad per point by GW's current pricing standards.

It's not even in the same bracket as stuff like mek gunz or beasts of nurgle.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Assuming it's a 350+ point model the way magnus and morty are, it's actually not bad per point by GW's current pricing standards.

It's not even in the same bracket as stuff like mek gunz or beasts of nurgle.

Oh absolutely, Pts / £$CHF etc, is probably not as bad as mek gunz, doesn't excuse the excessive pricing for plastic though.

Is it a good value? No.

Is it a reasonable price? Sure.

Should you buy it? That’s up to you.

So do you think 150 dollars is fair? I understand he is the show piece of the army. The big leader if you will but what’s next 200 dollars for a main character?

The problem here for me is that he is SUPPOSE to be the show piece, but from what I've seen, he's actually kind of lame. A rare miss IMO from the studio. The King himself doesn't look drastically different from a normal Lord, and the "throne" or dais or whatever it is he's on just looks kind of ... black? So it's a really unimpressive model at a really high price-point. I happily bought Mortarion for my DG even though he's only seen the table once or twice in the years I've had him because it's just an amazing model. This one though? Hard pass for me.

Not Online!!! wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Assuming it's a 350+ point model the way magnus and morty are, it's actually not bad per point by GW's current pricing standards.

It's not even in the same bracket as stuff like mek gunz or beasts of nurgle.

Oh absolutely, Pts / £$CHF etc, is probably not as bad as mek gunz, doesn't excuse the excessive pricing for plastic though.

^I will never not find the 'paying for plastic' argument stupid, though.

you're paying for the design of the thing, and the various people the company had to pay to develop its appearance and game rules.

The reason why recasters can so heavily undercut is because they steal the work of the concept artist, 3d modeler, sprue designer, and whoever was in charge of making the rules for the thing.

Not to mention the work the marketing team puts in to advertise the thing to you, any overhead from shelf space the thing takes up, the promotional photography and painting of the studio model...the material is a minuscule fraction of the cost of the end product.

Well its not exactly a new price for Necrons - its the same price as a Tesseract Vault/Obilisk.


So if its purely price shock then keep in mind its not a new price for the Necron range at all.



Asides its clearly bigger than 3 old metal dreadnoughts; far better sculpted and more dynamic and yet costs about the same. And that's based on the £30 per dread from 20 years ago. (granted that's UK prices).


Sure its big and scary priced, but its also a one-army-purchase. You either get it first or early on because you love it or you get it later when you don't need/want to buy another bunch of warriors/troops or vehicles for the same cost.






And sure you can get a lot more secondhand for that price; but that's true if you compare any new, direct from GW priced models to the secondhand market *unless you're building a Slaanesh force with Diaz sculpted Seekers/Deamonettes.

Dudeface wrote:

Grimlineman wrote:
As a long time Necron player I have to say they priced me out of the silent king. 150 dollars for a single plastic kit (throne better be gold plated for that price) way to expensive in my mind. And this comes from someone who’s in mid life with a well paying career. I applaud them on the other kits though they are priced lower than I expected they would be with new price structure.

So do you think 150 dollars is fair? I understand he is the show piece of the army. The big leader if you will but what’s next 200 dollars for a main character?

It's not a new price point, it shares this place with Magnus and Mortarion, both are large complex plastic kits with massive in game potential and a huge chunk of the army, you also only ever want 1 of them if at all. Silent king shares this bracket both in terms of plastic, price, design scope, fluff intent and assumingly rules.

Whether it's good value or not is subjective, if you're asking if the pricing is out of line compared to the rest of GW's offerings, it's about right.

Yep, and don't forget that many online stores or LGS will sell it for around 15% off, so you can get it a little cheaper.

Not a fan of the model either, it's mostly just a normal lord on a hunk of boring plastic with some boring plastic pillars on either side, but I'm sure some people dig it.

the_scotsman wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Assuming it's a 350+ point model the way magnus and morty are, it's actually not bad per point by GW's current pricing standards.

It's not even in the same bracket as stuff like mek gunz or beasts of nurgle.

Oh absolutely, Pts / £$CHF etc, is probably not as bad as mek gunz, doesn't excuse the excessive pricing for plastic though.

^I will never not find the 'paying for plastic' argument stupid, though.

you're paying for the design of the thing, and the various people the company had to pay to develop its appearance and game rules.

First off, Rude, secondly, yes i do pay the price for design, i also pay the price for the rest and the frankly ridicoulus GW markup .
HOWEVER: 3d design, improved mold technology, cheapper shipping, bigger productions facilities, cheaper material prices since some time now etc, are all things that happened. Which would and should lower the price of production.
Thirdly; no i don't pay for the rules through it, i pay the rules through the respective rules source and those are, to put it mildy also gifted with a rather extreme mark up for what can be deemed quite well as lackluster products.

The reason why recasters can so heavily undercut is because they steal the work of the concept artist, 3d modeler, sprue designer, and whoever was in charge of making the rules for the thing.

Not to mention the work the marketing team puts in to advertise the thing to you, any overhead from shelf space the thing takes up, the promotional photography and painting of the studio model...the material is a minuscule fraction of the cost of the end product.

The reason for recasters is indeed partially owed to be able to undercut through saved development cost, but one only needs to look at providers for 3rd party products that are indeed original in their content and see lower prices all over the shop. I wonder why,
As for the marketing team, i am sorry, not only is the job they are doing often shoddy, like faulty articles on the comunity side of things, but also heavily lackluster.

How would you propose we quantify the amount of the gap in price between a Games Workshop Chaplain on Bike model and a Whizzbanger Miniatures Space Knight War Priest on Space Big Wheel?

How much of that price undercut is Very Bad Unfair Games Workshop Markup and how much is the fact that coincidentally Whizzbanger Miniatures seems to have found a strange market niche where they barely have to advertise that product at all, and people just seem to be coincidentally extremely interested in their innovative line of Space Knight products?

I think its a fantastic model and would consider it if I were playing Necrons. Its no different to a knight in reality, and at least its not as expensive as Teclis..that is insane.

GW character models are all silly priced, but each person must decide if its worth it to them. I'm passing on the chaplain on bike for now as I'm not sure my RW will want or need one

Not even slightly. But GW has become quite adept at convincing people that their laughably high prices are actually reasonable.

 Blackie wrote:
It's simply insane. But I can't stand those huge models and I wouldn't buy them anyway, even if they were 50-75% cheaper.

Also this.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - you should not need to give a character an entire diorama in order to convey that he is important and/or powerful.

I don't like the model and I DEFINITELY don't like it at that price. I feel like the giant shields were added on to justify an inflated price to add gravitas to a model that looks like a normal overlord with a fancy hat and bigger cape.

This is the "have someone gift this to you"-tier.
My Mortarion has been given to me by my friends pooling money for my birthday present. I would never have bought him myself. He still was a great model to build and fun to paint - take that from someone who usually hates painting.

It’s your money, your time, your hobby. It’s value is whatever you perceive it as.

If you enjoy the model. Like painting it and playing it and having it as a display piece on your shelf then I would say it’s value is high.

If you leave it in the box and never assemble it then probably not.

Even a $30 box of space marines holds no significant value to someone who doesn’t like marines or doesn’t play the game.

 Jidmah wrote:
This is the "have someone gift this to you"-tier.
My Mortarion has been given to me by my friends pooling money for my birthday present. I would never have bought him myself. He still was a great model to build and fun to paint - take that from someone who usually hates painting.

I'd be annoyed by anyone who wasted money on that kind of gift.

the_scotsman wrote:
How would you propose we quantify the amount of the gap in price between a Games Workshop Chaplain on Bike model and a Whizzbanger Miniatures Space Knight War Priest on Space Big Wheel?

1: 1

How much of that price undercut is Very Bad Unfair Games Workshop Markup and how much is the fact that coincidentally Whizzbanger Miniatures seems to have found a strange market niche where they barely have to advertise that product at all, and people just seem to be coincidentally extremely interested in their innovative line of Space Knight products?

So , marketing?
Sadly GW has the sole rights to the IP except Malal, and by extension also sells the IP as lore to make both the Chaplain and the substitute interesting. However, GW also makes bank of their marketing / IP via the release of book content for their IP or licenscing, so technically you can even argue against that to a degree. Certainly it doesn't lend itself to the extreme Markup associated for the GW tm . Especially because development and production are comparable respecitvely for the 3rd party probably more expensive due to missing economies of scale effects.

Voss wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
This is the "have someone gift this to you"-tier.
My Mortarion has been given to me by my friends pooling money for my birthday present. I would never have bought him myself. He still was a great model to build and fun to paint - take that from someone who usually hates painting.

I'd be annoyed by anyone who wasted money on that kind of gift.

That's a great tactic for making sure to never receive such gifts ever again

 Jidmah wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
This is the "have someone gift this to you"-tier.
My Mortarion has been given to me by my friends pooling money for my birthday present. I would never have bought him myself. He still was a great model to build and fun to paint - take that from someone who usually hates painting.

I'd be annoyed by anyone who wasted money on that kind of gift.

That's a great tactic for making sure to never receive such gifts ever again

Good. I dislike the guilt, obligation and sense of waste attached to gifts, so if being annoyed that friends or family wasted money on an overpriced toy for me ensures they don't do it again, being annoyed serves a useful purpose.

Something meaningful can be very touching, but 'Here's $150 in toy form' is just... tacky.

Voss wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
This is the "have someone gift this to you"-tier.
My Mortarion has been given to me by my friends pooling money for my birthday present. I would never have bought him myself. He still was a great model to build and fun to paint - take that from someone who usually hates painting.

I'd be annoyed by anyone who wasted money on that kind of gift.

That's a great tactic for making sure to never receive such gifts ever again

Good. I dislike the guilt, obligation and sense of waste attached to gifts, so if being annoyed that friends or family wasted money on an overpriced toy for me ensures they don't do it again, being annoyed serves a useful purpose.

Something meaningful can be very touching, but 'Here's $150 in toy form' is just... tacky.

I mean I get that value has different meaning to different people. But are you sure you're on the right forum if you hate miniatures as gifts that much? Just seems an odd response from someone on a wargaming forum that is built around wargames and models and miniatures and such.

I can get the whole "not liking gifts in general" angle, but surely a gift related to your hobby would be a good thing (this assumes that your friends/family would pool together to put money toward or buy something you wanted of course, not necessarily just the Silent King etc...)

Grimlineman wrote:
So do you think 150 dollars is fair?

Of course not. Nothing GW sells is "good value". It's all about 1/3rd - 1/2 more expensive than it should be.

Not Online!!! wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
How would you propose we quantify the amount of the gap in price between a Games Workshop Chaplain on Bike model and a Whizzbanger Miniatures Space Knight War Priest on Space Big Wheel?

1: 1

Oh god, you're serious, aren't you.

 Overread wrote:

Voss wrote:
Good. I dislike the guilt, obligation and sense of waste attached to gifts, so if being annoyed that friends or family wasted money on an overpriced toy for me ensures they don't do it again, being annoyed serves a useful purpose.

Something meaningful can be very touching, but 'Here's $150 in toy form' is just... tacky.

I mean I get that value has different meaning to different people. But are you sure you're on the right forum if you hate miniatures as gifts that much? Just seems an odd response from someone on a wargaming forum that is built around wargames and models and miniatures and such.

I can get the whole "not liking gifts in general" angle, but surely a gift related to your hobby would be a good thing (this assumes that your friends/family would pool together to put money toward or buy something you wanted of course, not necessarily just the Silent King etc...)

I agree. They went through the trouble of collecting money to buy something for a hobby I clearly enjoy. That totally beats each of them getting 10x10€ worth of random crap from a gift store or a bottle of fancy liquor I'd eventually have to toss out.

I personally would rather have the $150 so I can spend it on second hand GW stuff and get twice as many models.

if he has game changing rules then he is worth it. Kind of a hard to judge without seeing his full rules.

Karol wrote:
if he has game changing rules then he is worth it. Kind of a hard to judge without seeing his full rules.

I really don't get this.

If GW makes a small model of a turd, charges you £50 for it, but it's a toughness 24 turd, with a 2 up Inv save that has 16 Str 10, AP-5 shots, costs 50pts and can be included with any army without breaking doctrine, is that worth £50 because it has game changing rules?

How much are the 'rules' a transatory, thing that is entirely a subjective matter of perspective and can Literally be changed at any time worth in $?

Well, I'll definitely buy it from the modeling and painting point of view,
but I don't plan to field it in an army.

yes, GW makes a ton of ugly models and if they are powerful they are being bought en mass.

Before the sm codex 2.0 I didn't even know centurions existed. yet when they could deploy 9" away from opposing army, I saw tons of them.

Stuff like obliterators, old models in finecast, often ugly and not very enticing to buy. But when it has a powerful rule people buy it.

If the new faction terrains end up being really good and essential to playing people are going to be buying them.

And my expiriance in 8th, tought me that it is always better to buy an army with a ton of good units and good rules, because even if nerfed the army often still stays at the good level. And worse thing is the bad rule armies do not cost that much, or even at all, less then the good ones.


So the money does translate to having fun. There is nothing fun in having an army, which you put out of the box to put it in to the box back again. Unless you really like painting. And I don't like painting, never painted a model in my life, and I doubt I ever will.


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 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I'll definitely buy it from the modeling and painting point of view,
but I don't plan to field it in an army.

What if it is like nagash, bloodthirsters or any of the big kits in AoS? those armies practicaly start being build with, take two high cost more or less obligatory models, out of which one is a terrain pice and another a big model.

If he has something like use the necron doctrine twice, or pick each phases doctrin in the turn you want and not in advance, people are going to use him.

It is like Draigo or Voldus for GK, you could run a normal Librarian or GM, but why do it when those two cost not a lot more in points, and have much better rules.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
I personally would rather have the $150 so I can spend it on second hand GW stuff and get twice as many models.

or a full army with 3rd party models

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
How would you propose we quantify the amount of the gap in price between a Games Workshop Chaplain on Bike model and a Whizzbanger Miniatures Space Knight War Priest on Space Big Wheel?

1: 1

Oh god, you're serious, aren't you.

why not, if you need a fancy Marker for Gaming, going for the cheapest option that will do the job and is acceptable for you
if you want to buy a scale model for pro-painting to put on the shelf in a diorama, it is a different story

problem for the gamers is that GW is selling diorama models which are overpriced if you just want to play with them
I mean people start complaining if the whole army for a different game cost >100$ and call it too expensive to start playing yet, paying 150$ for 1/5 to 1/6 of an army is ok because "GW"

PS: but thanks to GW, Resin 3D printing is now an option for gamers, it would be way too expensive compared to other Wargames, but compared to 40k, buying a printer 500$ and paying 5$ in material cost for standard sized infantry model is now considered "an army on a budget" and "cheap"

 kodos wrote:


PS: but thanks to GW, Resin 3D printing is now an option for gamers, it would be way too expensive compared to other Wargames, but compared to 40k, buying a printer 500$ and paying 5$ in material cost for standard sized infantry model is now considered "an army on a budget" and "cheap"

So this is an....interesting figure that you've just listed right here.

I just bought a resin 3d printer, which was a brand new model for 200$, with a liter of resin that the data I can find online should be approximately enough to print 100-150 28mm miniatures, that was 50$.

Also, worth noting, recently I've bought miniatures for DnD, warhammer, malifaux and infinity for various projects.

That was the order of cheapest to most expensive per 28mm miniature. The Dnd minis were 1/2 as expensive per model but are absolutely of markedly worse quality and material than the GW plastics.

If I could have waved a wand and bought the same dnd miniatures in 'GW resolution' I would have absolutely found it to be worth 2x the price.

Buying a good 3D printer that can produce high-quality detailed minis is still out of reach of most people. That $200 to $500 printer isn't going to do it, though you can use cheap home-use printers for terrain now with no problems, and they can produce miniatures, albeit not at near the detail level of modern GW plastics or resins.

But commercially they are already there, and the price is falling on them every year. Probably within 5 years or so even home 3D printers will be able to come passably close to copying GW miniatures, and sooner or later that's going to cause a major reckoning.

My own pet theory is that it also explains at least to some degree why new GW models have all these difficult-to-produce pieces sticking off them, and part of the reason they've moved to dynamic mono-pose instead of multi-part: both these make it harder to develop STLs that can be used to produce knock-offs indistinguishable at a casual glance from the original.

yukishiro1 wrote:

My own pet theory is that it also explains at least to some degree why new GW models have all these difficult-to-produce pieces sticking off them, and part of the reason they've moved to dynamic mono-pose instead of multi-part: both these make it harder to develop STLs that can be used to produce knock-offs indistinguishable from the original.

Harder but not impossible; and once you've cracked the sculpt design you can just change the end of the arm and the attachment point remains the same shape. Besides that would be just modifying a GW model so you'd be buying a GW model and spending more for more parts; the person casting their own army at home doesn't care what the mount or design of the GW models is

Its a middle class luxury hobby.

At this point there is no objective value that can be attached to something, it just has to meet two criteria

A. Can you afford it?

B. Do you think it is worth it?

Neither of these can be evaluated by someone else.

If you think it is worth it? You buy it. You dont? You dont.

I dont get all of these people who buy things while saying "its not worth the price"

or the people who say "I should be cheaper" No joke, everyone wants everything to be cheaper. they literally have been unable to meet demand at their current prices during a pandemic, economics says they are priced too low.

I had this issue with the Triumph of Saint Katherine. Its $110 for what is essentially the amount of detail of a box of Seraphim on a fancy base.

I ended up getting it because I have no self control and I love the model. On one hand yes, the model is gorgeous, on the other hand it does not have the level of sophistication and detail you would find in some comparable kits like a greater Daemon or the amount of heft you would get from a Land Raider or a Storm Raven.

The model looks like a mash-up of a Chaos HQ performing Marilynn Monroe's version of Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend. I decided to spend $70 less on that big new Wendigo model Warlord Games just spoiled instead.

 Overread wrote:

the person casting their own army at home doesn't care what the mount or design of the GW models is

I think most people do care; they'd rather have models that look like the real ones, both for their own satisfaction and for the ability to use them outside the home. Most tournaments have rules prohibiting the use of non-GW models (or at least requiring 80%+ of the model to be GW), and although enforcement of those rules is pretty spotty at present, that might change as 3D printing becomes a real alternative, if GW decides to try to fight it by leaning on stores and TOs. Stores themselves obviously have a huge amount to lose from 3D printing too, mind you, so they do have a certain incentive to go along with those policies.

It'll be really interesting to see how GW approaches the issue. Historically GW has been very friendly towards conversions, but that's always been when the core of the model is GW and you're just sticking stuff on top that you have made yourself or gotten elsewhere. I can see GW being pretty unbothered by people using 3D printers to print themselves up a whole squad's worth of plasma guns or other bits (there's already a huge trade in these on 3D printing websites), but I can't see them being equally laissez-faire if people start showing up to tournaments with fully 3D-printed armies.

I think the price point is as expected. Is it good value? Well, in terms of points/$, it’s better value than Impulsors and Duneriders by a large margin, I’ll bet.

I will probably get him someday, as I think I can make it look awesome. I get enjoyment from simply seeing my models in my displays, and my friends and family all enjoy looking at them as well.

I mean, he's at the general price point for lord of war models like that.

Whether or not you think he's worth it is another story, but if I was a necron player and I liked his model, I'd probably buy it.

$150 is kind of expensive for a model, but it's a big centerpiece and I'm only going to buy one, so like...

yukishiro1 wrote:
Not a fan of the model either, it's mostly just a normal lord on a hunk of boring plastic with some boring plastic pillars on either side, but I'm sure some people dig it.

When was the last time you were actually a fan of anything GW have done, anyway? All I recall seeing from you, in the recent past, at least, is unrelenting negativity.

the_scotsman wrote:

Also, worth noting, recently I've bought miniatures for DnD, warhammer, malifaux and infinity for various projects.

That was the order of cheapest to most expensive per 28mm miniature. The Dnd minis were 1/2 as expensive per model but are absolutely of markedly worse quality and material than the GW plastics.
If I could have waved a wand and bought the same dnd miniatures in 'GW resolution' I would have absolutely found it to be worth 2x the price.

DnD Models are first of all just markes, you sometimes use them only once and people who are used to paper/card don't really care
those of the local group who never played wargames at all even think it is crazy to pay that much for a model and are not interested in the quality of them at all

the_scotsman wrote:

So this is an....interesting figure that you've just listed right here.

I just bought a resin 3d printer, which was a brand new model for 200$, with a liter of resin that the data I can find online should be approximately enough to print 100-150 28mm miniatures, that was 50$.

for high quality models you need quality equipment
price may vary around but the lower priced ones don't get you that much detail for the small models and cheaper resin is a problem as well (specially for larger models)

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
$150 is kind of expensive for a model, but it's a big centerpiece and I'm only going to buy one, so like...

As an aside, when it comes to centrepiece models, I'd rather make the choice myself of what (if anything) in my army is the centrepiece. Merely buying a centrepiece holds no appeal whatsoever for me.

the_scotsman wrote:

Also, worth noting, recently I've bought miniatures for DnD, warhammer, malifaux and infinity for various projects.

Not really on topic I've been wondering about getting into Malifaux for a while now (specifically Neverborn). As someone whose opinion I've come to respect, I'd welcome your thoughts on the game and its models.

(If you're willing, feel free to PM me so as not to derail this thread.)

 Dysartes wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Not a fan of the model either, it's mostly just a normal lord on a hunk of boring plastic with some boring plastic pillars on either side, but I'm sure some people dig it.

When was the last time you were actually a fan of anything GW have done, anyway? All I recall seeing from you, in the recent past, at least, is unrelenting negativity.

I commented just a day or two ago on how the changes we had seen to chapter tactics seemed surprisingly sensible. And then in this very thread one of the very first posts is a post by me defending the pricing as reasonable within GW's general pricing structure. If you are going to attack someone personally, at least try to be right?

But I don't know why you're making things personal in the first place. When you start attacking the person rather than the point it's a sure sign you're losing the plot.

Please stick to discussing opinions and topics rather than posters, it's a waste of everyone's time to make things personal.

 vipoid wrote:


I've said it before and I'll say it again - you should not need to give a character an entire diorama in order to convey that he is important and/or powerful.

Those models are also ok for a display cabinet but an absolute nightmare to carry and to play with.

Nightmare to transport sums up Necrons generally, especially the new models. All those little bits just begging to be snapped off.

Its not worth it to {me}.... You??

First if all its way more giant model that I want to carry around. My neurons fit very nicely in 1 case with a bit of room for new stuff. I dont want the army expanding to two cases.
Second, whatever it does,, I'm sure it costs more pts than I want to devote to one model. I'm also sure it won't be as effective as whatever else I could get for those pts.

I don't think it looks like a 150 euro model. It's just a glorified Overlord on a giant throne, I feel I'm paying for a piece of terrain plus 3 small models.
I'm pretty sure it's going to be good, GW wants to sell it's expensive stuff.

Anyone know what the uk price is?

mrFickle wrote:
Anyone know what the uk price is?

I think its the £90 bracket. £90/€120/$150

The colossal/gargantuan models from PP are slightly cheaper (many $105 but a few are $135~$155 rrp), slightly bigger in terms of pure size/plastic, but not sure about the quality being as good. I haven't really seen enough of them in person or even on video.

I've got a Storm Raptor (rrp $110) which is a nice plastic model https://store.privateerpress.com/storm-raptor but I'm not sure its quite as detailed/high quality as GW?

I've got the old version of the Judicator (rrp $110 for the new version) which was a less nice mixed metal and resin (I think, or a wierd plastic) and there was a lot of flash to clean off and the metal and resin didn't fit snuggly in a few areas. https://store.privateerpress.com/judicator-revelator-protectorate-of-menoth-colossal-warjack

I do think $120 is the going rate for this kind of model and maybe $150 is GW seeing if they can slap $30 extra profit on top. I also think Teclis/Silent King aren't the best models to try this on as they are both a bit odd looking. While to me Morathi looks "ok" at $138.

EightFoldPath wrote:
The colossal/gargantuan models from PP are slightly cheaper (many $105 but a few are $135~$155 rrp), slightly bigger in terms of pure size/plastic, but not sure about the quality being as good. I haven't really seen enough of them in person or even on video.

I've got a Storm Raptor (rrp $110) which is a nice plastic model https://store.privateerpress.com/storm-raptor but I'm not sure its quite as detailed/high quality as GW?

I've got the old version of the Judicator (rrp $110 for the new version) which was a less nice mixed metal and resin (I think, or a wierd plastic) and there was a lot of flash to clean off and the metal and resin didn't fit snuggly in a few areas. https://store.privateerpress.com/judicator-revelator-protectorate-of-menoth-colossal-warjack

I do think $120 is the going rate for this kind of model and maybe $150 is GW seeing if they can slap $30 extra profit on top. I also think Teclis/Silent King aren't the best models to try this on as they are both a bit odd looking. While to me Morathi looks "ok" at $138.

The bird is apparently £109 rrp in the UK, the Silent King is £95 rrp. Just a point of interest, privateer press is always more expensive over here.

That kind of money will get you a Perfect-Grade Gundam kit. A figure about a foot tall, which has an internal articulated skeleton and can be posed right down to individual finger joints. It comes with an LED lighting kit, comes in multiple-coloured sprues and is snap-fit. You don't need to glue or paint the model if you don't want to.

For less than that, you can get a sharp, detailed kit of a Tiger I tank, historically accurate with interiors down to the gearstick. Ryefield is a good 1/35 example.

Or a HUGE, detailed ship model.

On the other hand, a model like the Silent King will give you a lot of pleasure. You'll spend weeks assembling and painting it, a hobby in itself. As a gaming piece, I prefer pieces that are a little more... robust.

So it's really for the individual to decide. You may be very happy with your purchase.

From GW, I would consider something in that price range £100-150) for something like a fully articulated plastic Warhound Titan

the_scotsman wrote:
How would you propose we quantify the amount of the gap in price between a Games Workshop Chaplain on Bike model and a Whizzbanger Miniatures Space Knight War Priest on Space Big Wheel?

How much of that price undercut is Very Bad Unfair Games Workshop Markup and how much is the fact that coincidentally Whizzbanger Miniatures seems to have found a strange market niche where they barely have to advertise that product at all, and people just seem to be coincidentally extremely interested in their innovative line of Space Knight products?

This logic is.... illogical. If SM are so popular that they can be sold this cheap by Whizzbanger, they are so popular that they can be sold that cheap by GW. On top of that, third party games show models for extremely unpopular ranges, like say Dark Eldar, at the same price point. On top of that, SM being popular or advertised doesn’t advertise for a third party site or make anyone think “huh, I wonder if there’s a site called Whizzbanger that I’m just gonna type in now for cheaper alternatives”, they wouldn’t even know about them. They need to do their own advertising.

You’ve completely moved the goalposts. Your original argument was unmistakably the cost of design justifies these prices. Looking at the design of some minis like ArtelW who are often even more detailed than GW, that’s clearly not the case at all.


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Also, can’t wait to see the Australian price for this lol

The only $150 models I'm looking at these days are Shadowswords. I don't even have an army for one (three). I just think they're super cool.

For 'Crons the Tesseract is pretty neat, but something about the detailing on it I don't like.

No, he means that Whizzbanger minis are riding on the money that GW spends on renting shops, hiring staff, publishing WD, making painting videos, publishing books, and making a game... All of which encourage people to buy something that has no context otherwise. GW created demand from nothing.

Whizzbanger Minis only need to advertise that something is like a GW model, but is different - cheaper, more detailed, made of cheese.

Sculpt and cast a Squonk Battlelord on a Float-Pod firing a Grop Gun, put up a website selling them, and I guarantee you won't sell 20 of them.

You could pay $150 for him. Or $145 for this:
https://www.miniaturemarket.com/pip37022.html

People may not like that he's $150, but claiming that the model is grossly overpriced is a bit delusional.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
You could pay $150 for him. Or $145 for this:
https://www.miniaturemarket.com/pip37022.html

People may not like that he's $150, but claiming that the model is grossly overpriced is a bit delusional.

Because PP big stuff isn't grossly overpriced? When did that judgement come down from above?

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
I personally would rather have the $150 so I can spend it on second hand GW stuff and get twice as many models.

Or save that towards half of a budget resin 3D printer so you can just make and customize all the proxies you want rather than bow to GW's egregious markups. $150. Yikes.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
You could pay $150 for him. Or $145 for this:
https://www.miniaturemarket.com/pip37022.html

People may not like that he's $150, but claiming that the model is grossly overpriced is a bit delusional.

I don't like how the silent king looks, but that thing looks lik @#*$.

I’m entirely sure that almost all those things still exist because they are profitable in their own right. WD is pretty bare of original content these days and is a pricey magazine, and tons of people buy it especially over the course of a month. Production costs for it are low, profit for selling it is high, and has the added bonus of advertising their entire ranges simultaneously. Their physical stores exist because they cause more models to be sold (in like 20 different ways). The books are expensive as hell lol they aren’t losing money on these products that they need to ramp up prices on their models to substitute for haha that’s absurd, and I’d like to see any sort of evidence to support this at all other than “well why else would their prices be so high!”.

It’s a lot of money, it concerns me that 40K could become a pay to win game. There’s a lot of talk about balance or lack of it and if you put the silent king on the table is the game balanced enough that a collection of units of equal points could fairly compete against it.

Also pricing young players out of playing certain units is unfair.

40K has never really been a pay to win game its always more been a pay to play game. Plus GW's focus on the hobby side tends to help reinforce that.


The very competitive players who do buy the latest most broken powerarmy tend to swap and flip secondhand arimes more than anything else. So they are often buying models much cheaper because they are secondhand.



Big powerful things have also always had risks with them. You spend a lot on a single model but at the same time its going to cost a lot in points and only takes up one space on the table so can leave you playing harder to secure objectives even if it can obliterate everything that comes in range.

Plus when you consider the points for cost aspects a £100 model that perhaps costs the same in points as three boxes of regular troops at £30 a box isn't really pricing people out. It's the same gross cost for the army, its just a different way to building the army. So instead of saving £30 in three blocks you'd save for longer for a single near £100 purchase.

mrFickle wrote:
It’s a lot of money, it concerns me that 40K could become a pay to win game. There’s a lot of talk about balance or lack of it and if you put the silent king on the table is the game balanced enough that a collection of units of equal points could fairly compete against it.

Also pricing young players out of playing certain units is unfair.

This is a claim that has been brought up since... FW existed probably. And it never turned out to be quite right. The game is pay to win if you want to follow certain tournament metas, which are rarely defined by single expensive models.
In a usual 40K game people put on the table what they like and have fun.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
You could pay $150 for him. Or $145 for this:
https://www.miniaturemarket.com/pip37022.html

People may not like that he's $150, but claiming that the model is grossly overpriced is a bit delusional.

I don't like how the silent king looks, but that thing looks lik @#*$.

I like the Vulcan FWIW... though that was quite deliberate. Yes, let’s pick the one Colossal that deviates quite a bit from the standard Warjack silhouette to try to make some point. Try again with a Conquest or Judicator and see what people’s initial opinions of them are.

PPs minis are overpriced, esp here in the U.K. but that was some biased attempt at a counter example there...

$200 3d printer and $50 of resin will make 3 copies of him. Might not be as detailed though.

It is a one of a kind niche model for a xeno faction - which let's face it isn't GW's attention due to how *mega awesome* primaris are.

Limited numbers of stock will shift as a result...hence, higher price. As opposed to our new Eradicator overlords which will sell a truck load and therefore lower priced.

Now if the Silent King has rules on par with the Super Chicken i.e. Aetos'Rau'Keres, or however you spell it, I would buy that just to see the look of despair on an opponents face - assuming they know what it ca do.

As you said, it’s a model they’re only going to sell at most one of to each Necron player.

But, as a cool looking big model, it’s also of appeal to painters.

It’ll also likely come on anywhere between 3 and 5 sprues. Each sprue is a die needing to be cut for production, further increasing costs.

U.K. price is £90. That’s not too much to my mind, given the size of the model and the likely high number of points he’ll cost.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
As you said, it’s a model they’re only going to sell at most one of to each Necron player.

But, as a cool looking big model, it’s also of appeal to painters.

It’ll also likely come on anywhere between 3 and 5 sprues. Each sprue is a die needing to be cut for production, further increasing costs.

U.K. price is £90. That’s not too much to my mind, given the size of the model and the likely high number of points he’ll cost.

He's actually cheaper than a 30 unit troop block of Witch Aelves for Daughters of Khaine (at £35 for 10 per box)

Its a nice model but at that price I'd consider kitbashing my own version. Although its bound to be updated very soon, a Start Collecting kit would make sense for a wealth of components.

As a plan B I'd be happy to use the current Necron Overlord with Warscythe and cannabalize the Annihilation Barge to create his throne display. Not bad for £45, and it could prove to be more practical for the tabletop. Its also ideal if you play against another Necron player who also wishes to field the Silent King.

I'm going to be buying the model later in the year.

Mu plan is to do a conversion and make him into a DJ at a rave. Turntable, headphones on him.
The two guys beside him will be kitted out like chavs and the big stones will become speakers.

I'm planning to stick a raspberry pi in the model and have leds for light and actual sound that can be played.

At the moment it's just in my head, but once I get the model I will be able to plan it out much better

 Overread wrote:
He's actually cheaper than a 30 unit troop block of Witch Aelves for Daughters of Khaine (at £35 for 10 per box)

Also cheaper than 15 banshees !

It's annoying they put the guy on a giant pedestal to make him seem more important, I'm not a fan of models like that. Also, for me it doesn't quite justify greater daemon prices, maybe £10 less? I don't know. If I wanted one in a list and I was definitely going to use it, yeah I'd buy it. Points to pounds ratio still matters, I don't think I could ever justify spending on those grot artillery guns.

To be honest it wouldn't be the price that put me off as much as the flying throne. A bit like daemon chariots, noise marines with guitar guns, ork squig buggies, penitent engines, Space Wolf santa... sometimes the concept is a bit out there for me

Doohicky wrote:
I'm going to be buying the model later in the year.

Mu plan is to do a conversion and make him into a DJ at a rave. Turntable, headphones on him.
The two guys beside him will be kitted out like chavs and the big stones will become speakers.

I'm planning to stick a raspberry pi in the model and have leds for light and actual sound that can be played.

At the moment it's just in my head, but once I get the model I will be able to plan it out much better

That would be incredible to behold. Do it!

 Snake Tortoise wrote:
It's annoying they put the guy on a giant pedestal to make him seem more important, I'm not a fan of models like that. Also, for me it doesn't quite justify greater daemon prices, maybe £10 less? I don't know. If I wanted one in a list and I was definitely going to use it, yeah I'd buy it. Points to pounds ratio still matters, I don't think I could ever justify spending on those grot artillery guns.

To be honest it wouldn't be the price that put me off as much as the flying throne. A bit like daemon chariots, noise marines with guitar guns, ork squig buggies, penitent engines, Space Wolf santa... sometimes the concept is a bit out there for me

I find I enjoy 40k a lot more when I accept that 40k is supposed to be a bit silly.

I think some folks could do with reading the definition of "luxury good" and "discretionary spending". Also likely the basics of market economics.

If people are willing to spend 150$ on him (I am), then he's worth it.

PP is actually a really great example. Not long ago people were clamoring for the new faction. But it certainly feels like interest has waned some in the game. And that leaves the value of the model in doubt.

bored1 wrote:
I think some folks could do with reading the definition of "luxury good" and "discretionary spending". Also likely the basics of market economics.

If people are willing to spend 150$ on him (I am), then he's worth it.

PP is actually a really great example. Not long ago people were clamoring for the new faction. But it certainly feels like interest has waned some in the game. And that leaves the value of the model in doubt.

This is always a issue, How much something like this is worth is up to mostly the buyers. Also is he as big as a colossul from warmachine ? He looks a bit smaller unless he is bigger than any normal lord standing up there.

Grimlineman wrote:
As a long time Necron player I have to say they priced me out of the silent king. 150 dollars for a single plastic kit (throne better be gold plated for that price) way to expensive in my mind. And this comes from someone who’s in mid life with a well paying career. I applaud them on the other kits though they are priced lower than I expected they would be with new price structure.

So do you think 150 dollars is fair? I understand he is the show piece of the army. The big leader if you will but what’s next 200 dollars for a main character?

I think it's fair. It's a fairly beefy kit, with some extra bits and so on. I assume the 150$ is because most people will only need to buy one of them, unlike most other kits that you would buy multiples of. Since he is also locked to a specific dynasty, that will further draw down the number of people who will want to buy one. Add in the people who simply won't pay that price and factor out how many people play marines vs zenos vs necrons specifically and I would guess you'll see sales of the SK being very low hence the higher price tag.

Honestly that model is beautiful and it's also like 3 models in one, even the Monuments next to him have more detail than some figures still on the range. I'm Australian and I don't think any GW prices are fair, but I expect this one is about accurate with the price of the rest of their range.

If you accept Abaddon at $60 US as fair. . . then I suppose the Silent King is . . .

 Eihnlazer wrote:
$200 3d printer and $50 of resin will make 3 copies of him. Might not be as detailed though.

That'll teach you to cheap out on the printer.



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 Overread wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
As you said, it’s a model they’re only going to sell at most one of to each Necron player.

But, as a cool looking big model, it’s also of appeal to painters.

It’ll also likely come on anywhere between 3 and 5 sprues. Each sprue is a die needing to be cut for production, further increasing costs.

U.K. price is £90. That’s not too much to my mind, given the size of the model and the likely high number of points he’ll cost.

He's actually cheaper than a 30 unit troop block of Witch Aelves for Daughters of Khaine (at £35 for 10 per box)

This is true. However, unlike those Wyches, he doesn't do anything for my DoK army....

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
It’s a lot of money, it concerns me that 40K could become a pay to win game. There’s a lot of talk about balance or lack of it and if you put the silent king on the table is the game balanced enough that a collection of units of equal points could fairly compete against it.

Also pricing young players out of playing certain units is unfair.

This is a claim that has been brought up since... FW existed probably. And it never turned out to be quite right. The game is pay to win if you want to follow certain tournament metas, which are rarely defined by single expensive models.
In a usual 40K game people put on the table what they like and have fun.

The game is certainly pay to win, but the amount you have to pay to win reliably is so unreasonable that most people certainly don't bother. The meta shifts like every few months, if you're chasing it hard, like top tourney players, you're shelling for new kits every 3 to 4 months, and a new army every year or so. The people who do this at a competitive level tend to find ways to get it cheaper because, well, you kinda have to.

SamusDrake wrote:

Doohicky wrote:
I'm going to be buying the model later in the year.

Mu plan is to do a conversion and make him into a DJ at a rave. Turntable, headphones on him.
The two guys beside him will be kitted out like chavs and the big stones will become speakers.

I'm planning to stick a raspberry pi in the model and have leds for light and actual sound that can be played.

At the moment it's just in my head, but once I get the model I will be able to plan it out much better

That would be incredible to behold. Do it!

Seconded! Please do this, and please blog it here!

Crispy78 wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

Doohicky wrote:
I'm going to be buying the model later in the year.

Mu plan is to do a conversion and make him into a DJ at a rave. Turntable, headphones on him.
The two guys beside him will be kitted out like chavs and the big stones will become speakers.

I'm planning to stick a raspberry pi in the model and have leds for light and actual sound that can be played.

At the moment it's just in my head, but once I get the model I will be able to plan it out much better

That would be incredible to behold. Do it!

Seconded! Please do this, and please blog it here!

It will be a long way off. But I will definitely post up how it goes when I do it

Good man!

Doohicky wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

Doohicky wrote:
I'm going to be buying the model later in the year.

Mu plan is to do a conversion and make him into a DJ at a rave. Turntable, headphones on him.
The two guys beside him will be kitted out like chavs and the big stones will become speakers.

I'm planning to stick a raspberry pi in the model and have leds for light and actual sound that can be played.

At the moment it's just in my head, but once I get the model I will be able to plan it out much better

That would be incredible to behold. Do it!

Seconded! Please do this, and please blog it here!

It will be a long way off. But I will definitely post up how it goes when I do it

You need to make this priority #1

Once again GW is using the random number generator to decide pricing. $150 USD, OK so I looked on the US site when the price was announced to see what else was about that price, Chaos Knight. Good that meant it would be about $180-$200 AUD right. Nope $250. I understand they don't use normal currency rates and I'm use to that now but come on.

$250 for this only GW man

 Nitro Zeus wrote:
$250 for this only GW man

Gw Fantasy conversion Rates strikes again