Figured I'd start a fresh thread in preparation for the miniature reveals on the 25th. Hoping they show some things that stretch for at least a few months.
Is that a Dakka Record (excluding threads that are negative in nature in the first place).
I am interested to see what they are going to show us and how they are going to do it. Let's hope for juicy hints of the next 3 or 6 months of releases.
My hope beyond hopes, a FEC reveal.
My second hope, a new death army that scratches the itch the last two have not.
My guess for what will really be there.
New models for the upcoming ccodexes and what those are.Dark Angels announcement.
New Slaanesh models.
new warcry warband,
Additions of some necromunda household(My guess is Orlock or Cawdor)
The rest of the Lizardmen warband and a reveal for a new one.
bullyboy wrote: Figured I'd start a fresh thread in preparation for the miniature reveals on the 25th. Hoping they show some things that stretch for at least a few months.
My hope is that we will get the full extent for the Slaanesh Hedonite release with new picture
and a release date.
hotsauceman1 wrote: My hope beyond hopes, a FEC reveal.
My second hope, a new death army that scratches the itch the last two have not.
My guess for what will really be there.
New models for the upcoming ccodexes and what those are.Dark Angels announcement.
New Slaanesh models.
new warcry warband,
Additions of some necromunda household(My guess is Orlock or Cawdor)
The rest of the Lizardmen warband and a reveal for a new one.
Yeah i'd take that bet regarding the death army. A lot of the rumour engine images have a pretty strong death army feel them them right? Soulblight would be fun to have fleshed out. Now that ossiachs pretty much take the place of deathrattle what else is there?
hotsauceman1 wrote: My hope beyond hopes, a FEC reveal.
My second hope, a new death army that scratches the itch the last two have not.
My guess for what will really be there.
New models for the upcoming ccodexes and what those are.Dark Angels announcement.
New Slaanesh models.
new warcry warband,
Additions of some necromunda household(My guess is Orlock or Cawdor)
The rest of the Lizardmen warband and a reveal for a new one.
By FEC do you mean flesh eater courts? Because if so I am 100% on board. Finishing my first Ghoul king on Terrorghiest tonight.
Probably too soon for another blood bowl/necromunda reveal. So whatever it is i'm not getting my hopes up. Not really interested at all in aos/40k anymore, I don't care for army based games.
I’m thinking full Seraphon Underworlds reveal, Slaanesh full reveal, Warcry warband (maybe Witch/Vampire Hunters- someone mentioned Order of Azyr in the fluff is similar), and something for Kill Team 2021.
To be honest it will probably just be the full Slaanesh reveal, which would still be pretty cool.
hotsauceman1 wrote: My hope beyond hopes, a FEC reveal.
My second hope, a new death army that scratches the itch the last two have not.
My guess for what will really be there.
New models for the upcoming ccodexes and what those are.Dark Angels announcement.
New Slaanesh models.
new warcry warband,
Additions of some necromunda household(My guess is Orlock or Cawdor)
The rest of the Lizardmen warband and a reveal for a new one.
Yeah i'd take that bet regarding the death army. A lot of the rumour engine images have a pretty strong death army feel them them right? Soulblight would be fun to have fleshed out. Now that ossiachs pretty much take the place of deathrattle what else is there?
Looks those could be for warcry/underworld(I always mix them up) warband though
A new edition of (Heresy era) BFG or Man O'War, set in the Age of Sigmar, called Realmsea (and the reason Mantic pushed out Armada with lightning speed).
That or some Underworlds warbands.
I expect a nice season greetings message and thats good enough for me people, don't realise we are Tier 4 and covid going mad bad here this Christmas so yeah there are other things to be salty about man.
How extreme could one's disappointment be over something like a reveal stream? Are you expecting them to announce that James Workshop has died from covid and he's bequeathed everything to Jeremy Clarkson, who's going to rename the company "Sprouts Warehouse" in order to focus entirely on the production of sprouts and onions, thus making this the last batch reveals ever? Yes, that would be disappointing in the extreme, but I don't think the situation could possibly be that bad tbh.
In order of preference, I would like to see:
a new AOS warhammer quest featuring the order of Azyr up against a Vampire and their minions,
A devoted of sigmar army,
A fleshed out inquisition faction for 40k or killteam.
Chikout wrote: In order of preference, I would like to see:
a new AOS warhammer quest featuring the order of Azyr up against a Vampire and their minions,
A devoted of sigmar army,
A fleshed out inquisition faction for 40k or killteam.
Chikout wrote: In order of preference, I would like to see:
a new AOS warhammer quest featuring the order of Azyr up against a Vampire and their minions,
A devoted of sigmar army,
A fleshed out inquisition faction for 40k or killteam.
Yep to all of that [I'd love to see Kurnothi but I don't think there is any sign of the yet].
Inquistion Killteam vs Squats or another unique xenos faction/sculpts [I'd rather not Necrons as they've had loads].
I really hope they tease/reveal a few things for the future and do the Slaanesh reveal etc at New Year.
Interested to see what's coming - especially the Vampire and Seraphon underworlds warbands.
Danny76 wrote: But no indication from them that they are doing one this year or has there?
Yeah, they’ve said they are.
Even though James Workshop does allow us to have Christmas Day off, we’ll still be showing off some new models on the big day. We’ll have a glimpse of some of the incredible miniatures that 2021 has in store – make sure that you don’t miss it!
They'll show off the Plastic Thunderhawk as the Angel sitting on top of the tree...Although a reincarnated Sanguinus on top of the tree would be just as good .
Theophony wrote: They'll show off the Plastic Thunderhawk as the Angel sitting on top of the tree...Although a reincarnated Sanguinus on top of the tree would be just as good .
Squat crewed plastic thunderhawk release or Christmas is ruined!
Danny76 wrote: But no indication from them that they are doing one this year or has there?
Yeah, they’ve said they are.
Even though James Workshop does allow us to have Christmas Day off, we’ll still be showing off some new models on the big day. We’ll have a glimpse of some of the incredible miniatures that 2021 has in store – make sure that you don’t miss it!
Inquisition for Kill-Team and/or 40k. Cities of Sigmar/Devoted of Sigmar for AoS. Soulblight/some sort of Death army for AoS.
Expectation:
Inquisition for Kill-Team. Ecclesiarchy units for Sisters/codex. Warhammer Quest, Vampire Hunters vs Death. OR Witch Hunter and Death-something for War Cry. Lizardmen Underworlds full warband reveal.
lord_blackfang wrote: I notice nobody is wishing for more Barnes&Noble exclusive board games.
Those usually get revealed at that one Toy Faire around March right?
Chikout wrote:In order of preference, I would like to see:
a new AOS warhammer quest featuring the order of Azyr up against a Vampire and their minions,
A devoted of sigmar army,
A fleshed out inquisition faction for 40k or killteam.
This would be too much, my wallet would be whimpering in fear.
lord_blackfang wrote:I notice nobody is wishing for more Barnes&Noble exclusive board games.
To be fair Blitz Bowl is a fantastic game, definitely one of the best GW has put out in a long time.
lord_blackfang wrote: I notice nobody is wishing for more Barnes&Noble exclusive board games.
Some of them have been very appealling but most of them aren't available in the UK. Which is a shame because I'd really fancy a copy of Crypt Hunters and the Necron labyrinth game.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Maybe a box set of Inquisitor and retinue, some scions, and deathwatch vs necron tecnomancer, flayed ones and some other necron models.
That would be a pretty cool boxed set if you ask me.
How extreme could one's disappointment be over something like a reveal stream? Are you expecting them to announce that James Workshop has died from covid and he's bequeathed everything to Jeremy Clarkson, who's going to rename the company "Sprouts Warehouse" in order to focus entirely on the production of sprouts and onions, thus making this the last batch reveals ever? Yes, that would be disappointing in the extreme, but I don't think the situation could possibly be that bad tbh.
Dakka has always people unhappy about reveals. Especially 40k crowd has people who go unhappy if every release isn't 40k. How dare other games take 40k releases away!
I’m going with an Inquisitor + retinue as one side in a new Kill Team box to replace Rogue Trader and a team of fantasy “explorers” for a Warhammer Quest replacement for Blackstone Fortress. And all these snapshots will be revealed to be part of a “movie poster” style line-up of both teams.
Jadenim wrote: I’m going with an Inquisitor + retinue as one side in a new Kill Team box to replace Rogue Trader and a team of fantasy “explorers” for a Warhammer Quest replacement for Blackstone Fortress. And all these snapshots will be revealed to be part of a “movie poster” style line-up of both teams.
Why would they reveal them so fast after The Rumour Engines though?
Jadenim wrote: I’m going with an Inquisitor + retinue as one side in a new Kill Team box to replace Rogue Trader and a team of fantasy “explorers” for a Warhammer Quest replacement for Blackstone Fortress. And all these snapshots will be revealed to be part of a “movie poster” style line-up of both teams.
Why would they reveal them so fast after The Rumour Engines though?
Isn't that the point of an advent calendar? You get what's behind the little doors, not get stuck staring at pieces of an elephant through a keyhole indefinitely.
Yeah, they already do a weekly one that we sit wondering for ages.
It’d be nice to have all these drop at once (as we know they all link together mostly etc).
Last year, aside from Ork boot and a few others, didn’t we find out most straight away pretty much?
- Night Lords upgrade sprue/Night Lords new unit - Black templars Supplement - Dark Mechanicum
AoS:
- Soulblight that are just armoured Knight Vampires (I want an army of not-Blood Dragon Vampires)
LoTR:
- To start focussing on Khazad-Dum, Moria needs a complete range and some new Khazad Guard would be nice - New Fiefdoms models. I'd happily buy some plastic Men-at-Arms.
Specialist Games:
- New Kill-Team that isn't a 40k C+P. take the lens off the main factions and focus on some of the more nice and quirky stuff like they did with Rouge Trader. Inquisitor retinues, Xenos that wouldn't make a full faction (like all those unique Xenos you see in that montage artwork in 9th ed. rulebook and such).
I would be surprised if they didn't re-work Kill Team to be less '40K Lite' and more something like Necromunda/Warcry. It is a squad based skirmish game and though it is fun, it would benefit more from a bespoke rules set based around that size of game.
I am hoping the Inquisition stuff is a new Kill Team warband and I would absolutely love a new warhammer quest game based in the Age of Sigmar. Get back to good old fashioned fantasy dungeon crawling!
Jadenim wrote: I’m going with an Inquisitor + retinue as one side in a new Kill Team box to replace Rogue Trader and a team of fantasy “explorers” for a Warhammer Quest replacement for Blackstone Fortress. And all these snapshots will be revealed to be part of a “movie poster” style line-up of both teams.
Why would they reveal them so fast after The Rumour Engines though?
Isn't that the point of an advent calendar? You get what's behind the little doors, not get stuck staring at pieces of an elephant through a keyhole indefinitely.
I think assuming that GW knows the purpose of an advent calendar is giving them too much credit.
Necronmaniac05 wrote: ... I would absolutely love a new warhammer quest game based in the Age of Sigmar. Get back to good old fashioned fantasy dungeon crawling!
I'd like that, too. I don't begrudge 40k getting a Warhammer Quest, but I can't get exited about it either. Fantasy settings for dungeon crawls are just too ingrained with me.
Jadenim wrote: I’m going with an Inquisitor + retinue as one side in a new Kill Team box to replace Rogue Trader and a team of fantasy “explorers” for a Warhammer Quest replacement for Blackstone Fortress. And all these snapshots will be revealed to be part of a “movie poster” style line-up of both teams.
Why would they reveal them so fast after The Rumour Engines though?
Isn't that the point of an advent calendar? You get what's behind the little doors, not get stuck staring at pieces of an elephant through a keyhole indefinitely.
I think assuming that GW knows the purpose of an advent calendar is giving them too much credit.
GW has no shortage of problems, but you're much too negative about this advent rumor engine thing. The concept of advent calendar themed marketing isn't new to GW.
Honestly I'm kind of at the stage where I hope GW leave their classic stuff alone at this point. It's pretty evident that their revivals are aimed more at new players and people who used to play them but stopped ages ago, rather than the people who still play and enjoy the classic versions, and I very much still enjoy Mordheim.
Honestly I'm kind of at the stage where I hope GW leave their classic stuff alone at this point. It's pretty evident that their revivals are aimed more at new players and people who used to play them but stopped ages ago, rather than the people who still play and enjoy the classic versions, and I very much still enjoy Mordheim.
I'm of two minds how that could go. An AoS Mordheim would certainly suffer from worse, novel interpretations the likes of which plague Necromunda, and to tie in with the existing AoS rules would probably present a shallow, modern overhaul of the system. Never mind the grave robbing aspect that all the AoS characters went through that somehow survived the literal end of the world. That might leave an unsavory mark on the new version.
That said, given that we have Warcry as an AoS side game that does skirmishes with a divergent rule set, I'm not sure that AoS Mordheim would ever be conceived while GW supports Warcry.
On the other hand, while we don't have a clear idea how Warhammer: The Old World is going to shake out, if GW is determined to cater to people who liked the old setting the way it used to be (there can be doubts about the extent of that), a new version of Mordheim could still be a reasonable representation of the original. It would require GW to actively hold back from introducing things they are prone to come up with these days (not very likely to happen, in my opinion), but if that was actually set as a design goal, we could get lucky and end up with a flavorful game with shiny new sculpts.
- Mordheim (I know, I know) (set in the old world)
- News on Warhammer fantasy
- Love for the Xenos (especially new ork boys and Tyranid genestealers/gaunts)
- Tecnhobarbarians
-Vamps for AoS (the only realistic thing out of the wishpist)
Also a re release of beastmen for Underworlds? Separately from the Beastgrave and without card (the same treatment other warbands got)
- Mordheim (I know, I know) (set in the old world)
- News on Warhammer fantasy
- Love for the Xenos (especially new ork boys and Tyranid genestealers/gaunts)
- Tecnhobarbarians
-Vamps for AoS (the only realistic thing out of the wishpist)
Also a re release of beastmen for Underworlds? Separately from the Beastgrave and without card (the same treatment other warbands got)
They won’t do Grashaks warband separate yet I wouldn’t have thought, isn’t it normally after that seasons cards are no longer in use?
As most (all?) of nightvault isn’t available models only yet?
- Mordheim (I know, I know) (set in the old world)
- News on Warhammer fantasy
- Love for the Xenos (especially new ork boys and Tyranid genestealers/gaunts)
- Tecnhobarbarians
-Vamps for AoS (the only realistic thing out of the wishpist)
Also a re release of beastmen for Underworlds? Separately from the Beastgrave and without card (the same treatment other warbands got)
They won’t do Grashaks warband separate yet I wouldn’t have thought, isn’t it normally after that seasons cards are no longer in use?
As most (all?) of nightvault isn’t available models only yet?
Gak, you’re right.. I wanted to get some
Beastmen for mordheim, but I don’t want to get stuck with wood elves from beastgrave, nor to miss out on the beastmen minis.
It is kind of odd, that they haven’t released Nightvault warbands separately. I guess it would make sence for Stormcasts, since they have so many warbands, but it would be a shame, if Beastmen just vanish afterwards.
They won’t do Grashaks warband separate yet I wouldn’t have thought, isn’t it normally after that seasons cards are no longer in use?
As most (all?) of nightvault isn’t available models only yet?
In previous years, they have released the 'easy build no card standard non-colored plastic' sets as Direct Only within a few months of the warband's releases.
Beastgrave was the first set we saw none of those for.
Gak, you’re right.. I wanted to get some
Beastmen for mordheim, but I don’t want to get stuck with wood elves from beastgrave, nor to miss out on the beastmen minis.
It is kind of odd, that they haven’t released Nightvault warbands separately. I guess it would make sence for Stormcasts, since they have so many warbands, but it would be a shame, if Beastmen just vanish afterwards.
It's Beastgrave that did not see any separate warband releases. Nightvault has them all out. You just need to look in the actual faction sections under Age of Sigmar, not Underworlds, because the releases were done since the stuff got added into battletomes.
They won’t do Grashaks warband separate yet I wouldn’t have thought, isn’t it normally after that seasons cards are no longer in use?
As most (all?) of nightvault isn’t available models only yet?
In previous years, they have released the 'easy build no card standard non-colored plastic' sets as Direct Only within a few months of the warband's releases.
Beastgrave was the first set we saw none of those for.
Gak, you’re right.. I wanted to get some
Beastmen for mordheim, but I don’t want to get stuck with wood elves from beastgrave, nor to miss out on the beastmen minis.
It is kind of odd, that they haven’t released Nightvault warbands separately. I guess it would make sence for Stormcasts, since they have so many warbands, but it would be a shame, if Beastmen just vanish afterwards.
It's Beastgrave that did not see any separate warband releases. Nightvault has them all out. You just need to look in the actual faction sections under Age of Sigmar, not Underworlds, because the releases were done since the stuff got added into battletomes.
I assume the new battletome would be for the new undead army. Though I guess Hedonites makes sense, tho not sure why they wouldn't just reveal it already
GaroRobe wrote: I assume the new battletome would be for the new undead army. Though I guess Hedonites makes sense, tho not sure why they wouldn't just reveal it already
My guess for the new battletome is vampires or whatever the idea behind all those undead rumor engines is.
Hedonites already have a book and since we are in the middle of a campaign book series, I'd expect the new models for the army to be introduced in a campaign book as an expansion of the battletome.
An entirely new faction, however, I don't see GW release as part of a campaign book. It would lack that foundation any other army has by having it established in the complete package of background, images and rules a full battletome offers.
There's really only two doubts I have on that matter, that I'll happily put aside until we know more:
First, we just don't know if a full vampire faction is coming or if the rumor engine pictures we saw are just for Warhammer Quest, Warcry, Underworlds or all of them.
Second, GW explicitly announced Codex Supplement Dark Angels for January (a release time which is now in doubt for unrelated reasons) and a couple of weeks later acted all mysterious about what that book in January might be,
On the first one, until we see more I think there's too many things teased to fit just one Underworlds or Warcry band, and we'd have to get models for several games or at least a new Warhammer Quest with specific adversary focus on those undead to fit in all the teased stuff. 40k Warhammer Quest is finished for now, so that may happen, but it's no less a guess than a full AoS vampire army, and since we know there's a mystery battletome coming I'm gravitating towards placing the unresolved rumor engines there.
On the second point, I don't know if GW was just drunk or if they lost the plot, but unless it's the latter I don't see why they would be so open about a range of mortal Slaaneshi followers coming, including a large though incomplete model preview, only to act coy about an updated Hedonite battletome. It's less plausible to hide the cover of the book if it was for Hedonites than if it was for vampire undead thingies.
It’s almost certainly Slaanesh. They were originally meant to be January, and DG December (from their coin thing they’re doing in stores), so it lines up time wise. It’s also a pretty damn sizeable release that I could easily see them doing an updated tome for rather than a campaign book. It would be pretty unlikely for a new army sized Slaanesh expansion and a new battletome for some new Death force to come out that quickly, and if the Death thing was due out first (if it’s even coming for AoS proper), it would have been revealed first, before Slaanesh stuff.
zamerion wrote: It would be very strange if that battletome is not slaanesh's.
And with these delays, my hopes of seeing a lot of new things in this preview are dispelled..
You're not new to Dakka or GW previews at this point. Stop hyping yourself up.
Even if the preview is just the updated Hedonites book, guess what? There's still a good chunk of stuff we haven't seen outside of shots from the WarCry books which do not seem to have shown off full models. We know there's Slaangors, we know there's archers, we know there's mounted archers...but we don't know what the kits are really going to actually look like.
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ImAGeek wrote: It’s almost certainly Slaanesh. They were originally meant to be January, and DG December (from their coin thing they’re doing in stores), so it lines up time wise. It’s also a pretty damn sizeable release that I could easily see them doing an updated tome for rather than a campaign book. It would be pretty unlikely for a new army sized Slaanesh expansion and a new battletome for some new Death force to come out that quickly, and if the Death thing was due out first (if it’s even coming for AoS proper), it would have been revealed first, before Slaanesh stuff.
Agreed. While it might seem strange to "hide the Hedonites book", the assumption that they are going to be in a campaign book does at least make a kind of sense for why they might confirm it.
We know there's a Soulblight warband coming for Underworlds. We do not know what the rumor engine stuff ties to, but it might be a shot at a rework of Legions of Nagash coming down the road.
I agree that the February release is probably Slaanesh.
I'm guessing we'll see more pictures of them on Christmas. Probably along with the Seraphon Underworlds band in full, something new for Warcry, something about Kill Team, and maybe something about a new AoS Warhammer Quest if that is coming along.
Honestly I'm kind of at the stage where I hope GW leave their classic stuff alone at this point. It's pretty evident that their revivals are aimed more at new players and people who used to play them but stopped ages ago, rather than the people who still play and enjoy the classic versions, and I very much still enjoy Mordheim.
I'm of two minds how that could go. An AoS Mordheim would certainly suffer from worse, novel interpretations the likes of which plague Necromunda, and to tie in with the existing AoS rules would probably present a shallow, modern overhaul of the system. Never mind the grave robbing aspect that all the AoS characters went through that somehow survived the literal end of the world. That might leave an unsavory mark on the new version.
That said, given that we have Warcry as an AoS side game that does skirmishes with a divergent rule set, I'm not sure that AoS Mordheim would ever be conceived while GW supports Warcry.
On the other hand, while we don't have a clear idea how Warhammer: The Old World is going to shake out, if GW is determined to cater to people who liked the old setting the way it used to be (there can be doubts about the extent of that), a new version of Mordheim could still be a reasonable representation of the original. It would require GW to actively hold back from introducing things they are prone to come up with these days (not very likely to happen, in my opinion), but if that was actually set as a design goal, we could get lucky and end up with a flavorful game with shiny new sculpts.
Oh I don't think they'd AoS-ify it anymore at least in terms of the setting, they've no need to now Warcry and Underworlds are both successful, and it's clear that their Specialist Games approach is to at the very least evoke nostalgia - if they remake Mordheim, it'll be Mordheim at least in broad strokes. The issue is it'd probably be like Necromunda - in some cases the flanderized aesthetics would look cool, in other places they'd look radically out of place; rather than the art being surreal representation of the madness gripping the city and everyone involved with it, they'd make it a literal depiction and go AoS-gonzo level fantasy with it anyway.
And, like with Necromunda, if you don't care for the changes, good luck playing the original version if you didn't already have a steady group who also want to stick with it.
AoS's updated takes on WHFB classic aesthetics and no doubt the coming TOW stuff even if it otherwise sucks already give us a nice stream of new miniatures to use, and the community has the "bugs" pretty much figured out on the classic ruleset, so I'd rather GW focused their Specialist Games attention on something they'd be less likely to (from my own perspective, obviously)ruin, like Xenos for AT, or progressing AT into Epic30K, or a new version of BFG.
As for the reveals, personally I'm just hoping for lots of Slaanesh stuff.
I'm sure we'll get some more details on the DA codex supplement, including confirmation on whether they are still releasing in January.
I can't see much happening in terms of new DA models. The new primaris options for ravenwing and deathwing are too recent for DA-specific alternatives to come out yet, and there are already decent conversion options in the existing range.
If we get anything at all a new character seems most likely, either an Interrogator-Chaplin or a long-overdue new model for Azrael.
Looking at what we have so far it hints towards some death stuff for AoS.
Now, knowing my luck, it will finally be Vampire coast stuff.
Literally just started a small project of building a VC army so in all likeliness, I’ll get a couple of months into building it and it will get a proper release, rending a lot of mine useless.
Dark Angels will probably just get a Combat Patrol, nothing else. They still hace to release Bladeguard, eradicators, captain gravis and stormstrike speeder.
Isengrim wrote: I'm sure we'll get some more details on the DA codex supplement, including confirmation on whether they are still releasing in January.
I can't see much happening in terms of new DA models. The new primaris options for ravenwing and deathwing are too recent for DA-specific alternatives to come out yet, and there are already decent conversion options in the existing range.
If we get anything at all a new character seems most likely, either an Interrogator-Chaplin or a long-overdue new model for Azrael.
Very likely not January as they said one a month basically.
Death Guard take the Jan Slot. So DA will be Feb..
GaroRobe wrote: Pretty sure those are a duel kit with eradicators, so when one comes out, the other will
Heavy Intercessors come 5 to a box.
Where did you hear this? I know they are at least 5/box, rather then the 3 that we are most likely going to get eradicators in. But I was wondering if we’d see 10 to a box.
Likely to be 5 per box as the photo is a 5 man squad and even when they were shown in this vid it was 5 (if they were 10 to a box they studio would have painted up 10, and there would be no reason not to show them as 10 in promotional material) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRDeRDn5DjM&ab_channel=Warhammer
Voss wrote: Just as a general rule, terminator sized models don't come 10 to a box. I can't see them changing that, even for a Primaris Marine troops unit.
Stormcast are Terminator sized, only coming on 40mm for the infantry(exception being the 'Longstrike Crossbow' version of the Raptors, which get an oval base) and come 10 to a box for their 'core' unit(Vanguard-Hunters, Judicators, Liberators, and Sequitors) types.
They started them off as 5 to a box, but stopped after complaints about price.
It's a 50/50 shot as to if they'll be 5 or 10. It's possible they do 10 packs at the $60 or $62ish mark but have 5 packs with Chapter iconography for DA available as well as a 'Deathwing Intercessor' type.
Heavy Intercessors are not going to be in 10-man boxes, that would be completely and totally out of step with the rest of GW's pricing system. Every other gravis unit is 3 for $50. The idea you'd get 10 for $60 is really silly.
Slaaneshi stuff looks pretty good, but I much prefer the heavily armoured look of the Painbringers. Yes this stuff totally fits Slaanesh, but it's not really what aesthetic I like on my kits, personal preference.
The boxset is a disappointment considering we'd already seen the Sister and Lilith isn't a big surprise.
I usually have zero expectations for these Previews, but I at least expected the advent calendar stuff to get revealed.
One new Dark Eldar model, that we already knew was coming is a bit lame.
What about Grotesques, Mandrakes and all the other stuff that needs an update?
No rush on the box set, but since I do have sisters and wych cult, could be worse.
Totally disagree with above poster, Lilith is pretty damn far from a trash fire.
I must literally have different eyes to the people that like new Lelith, I think she's just terrible. And the OG resin one went from in stock to out of stock on the UK webstore within about 20 minutes of the announcement, which is a pretty strong indictment of the new one imo
Have to agree with those not liking the new Lilith, the tiny contact point and massive hair is a problem for anyone gaming. The resin one was just so much nicer, and I'd even go through the pain of finecast to have it instead.
Overall, pretty disappointing box from the DE perspective, I can't comment on the Sisters.
Those slaaneshi units are just stunning, the seekers in particular are awesome.
Nah, there is nothing wrong with new Lilith, but there was nothing wrong with old either, barring resin. The only real issue is the increased cost of the new model that is too similar to the old one.
I agree about the box, my buy will depend on how good Wyches and Scourges are in the new Codex. I like new Lelith, but I wouldn't buy the box just for her.
I love those new mounts! No more the poor mount under a hunched hulk of a warrior!
Colour my very very happy for Slaaneshmas
And the new Slangors are great, I was worried about them, but the Direchasm one and these ones have soothed my fears. All suitable lithe and deadly. I'm really going to enjoy next year - esp since with all these additions I can see GW reworking Slaanesh to kick out the Deprvaity dependence and let me get an army on the table
Although those advent sneak peaks suggest there might be more in the pipe line to show off perhaps over the coming week/days.
Welp, that good old eldar song and dance again. Heres your one model for this year, now go fetch, only available in a 250$ box set, it's a plastic version of a thing you alrwady have.
Why no, it doesnt come with Talos, Wracks or flyers, we are contractually obligated to only ever put Wyches, Kabs, Reavers, Venoms Raiders and Scourges in box sets!!!
New Lelith is better imo. The old one was pretty bland. Disappointed that new death minis weren't teased but I guess that makes sense with the slower release schedule.
They made new Lelith weirdly thicc when she's meant to be lithe and fast, the face has gone from attractive but menacing to just frothing berserker, and the hair is ridiculous - it's bigger, but *less* detailed, compare the tops of the heads - fewer, bigger strands. It's bad, it's a bad model, they did a bad thing.
the_scotsman wrote: Welp, that good old eldar song and dance again. Heres your one model for this year, now go fetch, only available in a 250$ box set, it's a plastic version of a thing you alrwady have.
Why no, it doesnt come with Talos, Wracks or flyers, we are contractually obligated to only ever put Wyches, Kabs, Reavers, Venoms Raiders and Scourges in box sets!!!
The good news....more cheap DE on eBay as the sisters buy the boxset!
Agree on the probable lacklustre release for Drukhari though. Maybe its a Craftworld year, lol.
Lilith is not thicc, the main image is compressing her body due to angle.
I so far have liked all 4 new plastic aeldari...jain zar, druzhar, Kyganil and now Lilith. Hopefully more to come.
bullyboy wrote: Lilith is not thicc, the main image is compressing her body due to angle.
I so far have liked all 4 new plastic aeldari...jain zar, druzhar, Kyganil and now Lilith. Hopefully more to come.
Ah yes, the first harlequin model since 7th edition who could not be in a harlequin army...gw just loves slapping eldar players in the face this past edition.
I really believe that most of the good designers at GW are working on AOS right now. I hate the setting of AOS, but even I have to admit that they have absolutely spectacular models and the new slaanesh models are evidence of that.
The 40k release on the other hand is a complete farce, almost the same BS as with the blood of the Phoenix box. One new model for dark eldar and even that one looks terrible. Really disappointed with the new lelith...at least with the eavy metal paint job, maybe the sculpt of her face looks better when painted by a more competent person. And I do not understand what that stupid christmas calender was for when they don't show any of those teased models....what kind of marketing strategy is that supposed to be?
Really like the new Lelith model and will probably buy the box set to get her and the Sisters stuff.
I do wish they'd make plastic grotesques though. The DE line needs so little to be fully plastic that at this point it's a bit embarrassing how much they've avoided making those sculpts into plastic.
The Slaanesh stuff is very nice. I adore the Slaangors, however I worry greatly that they are the only three poses in the box, and that every Slaangor unit is going to be that repeated over and over again. The same problem applies to the Archers on foot. Wonderful dynamic poses that are going to look quite odd when repeated en masse. Oh well, whatever makes it difficult/pointless for 3rd parties to steal money from you, right GW?
The new "Battlebox" is a real dud. Couldn't even get a basic squad of Sisters in there. At least it means the market will be full of cheap Wyches/Scourges for a while.
Can't wait for them to try and charge as much as they did for the Jain Zarr big box.
Arbitrator wrote: The boxset is a disappointment considering we'd already seen the Sister and Lilith isn't a big surprise.
dan2026 wrote: One new Dark Eldar model, that we already knew was coming is a bit lame.
GW's ability to create previews that show off things they've already revealed previously knows no equal.
Although the Sister’s side of that box dovetails nicely with their release box. That one was a bit of frenzied chop, with one troop pick and not a lot of long range firepower.
This box is a nice little firebase to back that up.
Nevelon wrote: This box is a nice little firebase to back that up.
Back up a box that was limited edition and that most people don't have? The Sisters side of this box has eight models. They're going to charge a mint for this.
If this really is GW's attempt to "back up" the original release box, then this sets a new record for striking whilst the iron is frozen.
I suspect/hope both the Slaangor and Blissbarb Archers will have 'duel' sets of loadouts per model, as with the Idoneth kits, this does seem like a set of models that will fit in a similar way on the sprue, so it makes sense in my mind.
warl0rdb0b wrote: I suspect/hope both the Slaangor and Blissbarb Archers will have 'duel' sets of loadouts per model, as with the Idoneth kits, this does seem like a set of models that will fit in a similar way on the sprue, so it makes sense in my mind.
Would be great, some of the poses seem rather fixed but I guees anything is possible.Maybe if the head and left arms are a single bit?
But I think they would have revealed the alternative build if there was one...
The awesomeness of these models honestly depresses the gak out of me. It's going to be YEARS before GW gives attention to the factions I collect. This hobby needs to come with a disclaimer for how abysmally slow GW is at pumping out new models. And for how twinkle-toes excited they are to put 40k on the backburner for an assortment of other projects that the fan base really seems to have much less interest in. We're all going to be driving electric cars before my 40k wishes get fullfilled.
Can't wait for them to try and charge as much as they did for the Jain Zarr big box.
My guess is this is their response to boxes like Blood of the Phoenix and Catacombs being too high - put less models in the box for the round-about £100 cost and let the white knights hork how 'generously priced' it is.
Today we see the 100th rendition of 'elf jumping off rock.' You can taste the dynamic posing in the back of your throat. No, wait, that's just stomach acid.
But its OK, because she (and her generic Sisters counterpart) are sealed away behind a pricey box of generic stuff, with a small, tepid collection of random kits.
Hedonites look like so much more time and energy were invested in them. Not to my taste, but very good for people who want them. Did a much better job with these seeker riders, which makes me wonder about the viability of the old ones (which ate so much space in the box set that just happened this year)
Wow this reveal was AMAZING for me. So excited for the new slaanesh stuff, and I'd love that box set but it really depends on the price... love the new lelith model, but love the old one too. I hadn't gotten round to ordering it yet as I was going to order it after Christmas - guess that means no finecast lelith for me! I dont know if that's good or bad.
I like the new lelith, she looks more like someone who's in combat/in a dangerous place, and i prefer her armour over the previous one's bare butt.
I have a small Drukhari and Sisters army. All the stuff seems useful, tbh. Hell, the unique Palatine is probably the least interesting, as it could easily be converted from a spare Repentia Superior or some such.
If the price isn't off the chart like the Banshee/Incubi box, this is actually useful, unlike the dumb christmas bundles IMO.
Slaanesh stuff looks amazing, there are so many nice AOS kits now, I only wish I had the time to invest in another game - but I barely am able to keep my 40K hobby going. I agree with the poster above - the AOS team has put out some really nice stuff lately, while there has been quite a few 40K duds (like the SM gocart and those tacticool infiltrator dudes).
Honestly I'd be happy if there are no Ork updates at all in 2021, then I have time to update my Necrons, get my Sisters going, and maybe start painting those Black Templars...
And my condolences, DE fans, although I do actually like the Lilith model, you guys deserve so much more.
hazefrog wrote: The awesomeness of these models honestly depresses the gak out of me. It's going to be YEARS before GW gives attention to the factions I collect. This hobby needs to come with a disclaimer for how abysmally slow GW is at pumping out new models.
GW pumps out a lot of models.
GW also ignores some factions for a decade or more.
Really like the Lelith model- the hard, cold face really sets her out as a merciless killer. The Slaaneshi stuff looks fantastic as well- especially the mounted units- brilliant sculpts and posed really well. None of it is my thing, I'm guessing there will be a bigger preview around New Year, maybe with some Underworlds/warcry reveals [maybe even some of the sneak peeks from the advent calendar..
Also, the palaquin is going to be massive. This army has a lot of big center pieces, which works for a bunch of hedonistic show-offs. I don't see the statue on it, though. Also wish the lord of pain looked more like the dude on the cover
It looks like the palanquin carries four models. Three on each of the little balconies, and then a big fat guy. The one on the far right makes me think of the Leviadon drummer. Slaanesh has been lacking a fat guy model forever, so this should be nice. I wonder if its another named hero or just a generic warshrine/chariot.
Also, shout out to Lelith's base, for the first plastic eldar warrior in forever (and one of the first confirmed aeldari skulls)
Lelith must be one of the most "redundantly identical to the old model" releases I've seen in a long time. It reminds of the old LOTR doing several models of Legolas shooting, Legolas running, Legolas taking a crap...
Why they had to prioritize re-doing her perfectly fine old model over characters such as Sliscus, Sathonyx, Malys and, you know, Vect, is beyond me.
H.B.M.C. wrote: The Slaanesh stuff is very nice. I adore the Slaangors, however I worry greatly that they are the only three poses in the box, and that every Slaangor unit is going to be that repeated over and over again.
Could be like the stone troll box which can build hundreds of combos.
The Slaaneshi stuff is great. The Steeds of Slaanesh actually look like somebody who cared sculpted them. So, so superior to the old one. And the style of the warriors is appealing to me and looks well executed. More of that, please.
hazefrog wrote: The awesomeness of these models honestly depresses the gak out of me. It's going to be YEARS before GW gives attention to the factions I collect. This hobby needs to come with a disclaimer for how abysmally slow GW is at pumping out new models. And for how twinkle-toes excited they are to put 40k on the backburner for an assortment of other projects that the fan base really seems to have much less interest in. We're all going to be driving electric cars before my 40k wishes get fullfilled.
You're not wrong about the the pace GW is moving at, but I doubt it has anything to do with putting 40k on the backburner. Rather, 40k keeps giving us the umpteenth iteration of Space Marine. AoS on the other hand isn't so tied to a single faction or single theme across several factions, so what we do get has a lot more variety. It's not objectively more, though. AoS has no shortage of factions that need new and updated models, and half of the Grand Alliances don't have a lot of factions to speak of.
The Slaanesh stuff is fantastic, what a great release.
The 40k box is a bit of a joke. The Sister’s side has what 8 models?
The Drukhari side has a new mini and the same minis they always put in boxes for Drukhari. Wyches, Venoms, Scourges. Mostly just a start collecting box. Would it hurt them to put some Wracks, a Talos, or even some Kabalites in a box? I’m only assuming they are putting Wyches in everything because they must have half a million kits sitting in storage?
It was kind of a let down they did all those Advent Rumors and showed nothing from them. Would have been neat to see a boxed game or something from Warcry or Underworlds.
Also, the palaquin is going to be massive. This army has a lot of big center pieces, which works for a bunch of hedonistic show-offs. I don't see the statue on it, though. Also wish the lord of pain looked more like the dude on the cover
Actually that dude on the cover is the Symbaresh Twinsouls unit leader, not the Lord of Pain.
Ah, revealing nothing we didn’t already know was coming. I didn’t have high hopes for this anyway.
The way they teased a new faction book made me think it would not be Hedonites, because we knew they were getting one simply due to the volume of new models.
Billicus wrote: I must literally have different eyes to the people that like new Lelith, I think she's just terrible. And the OG resin one went from in stock to out of stock on the UK webstore within about 20 minutes of the announcement, which is a pretty strong indictment of the new one imo
No I agree with you 100%
The old model was subtle and had way more realistic and subtle sculpting. It literally looks like a petite, unassuming female hero that you wouldn't expect to be such a mad, gracegul killer.
The new one is just cranking up those subtle features to 11.
She has an obviously angry and mean expression, she's frozen in a strange pose that is supposed to be dynamic, but they got it all wrong since her hair is moving in an impossible way with her body. Oh and she's super blocky looking now, not lithe and light like a panther that the old model reminds me of.
Then obviously we can talk about that absolutely stupid hair. The old model was just about pushing what you'd expect from the fluff and what would work, the new model apparently is in some odd contest with Jain Zar to have the dirtiest, most impractical hair in the universe as it drags on the floor.
I'm overall glad she got an update, because if nothing else it means she won't disappear as a character that is playable. (Here's hoping the redo Urien for the same reason)
Overall I am happy since I own over 15k in Dark Eldar already and I hate the sisters aesthetic, so this box is arguable wore value to me then Rise of the Phoenix, so it looks like I won't need to buy it.
Thankfully I have an unopened version of the original in pewter I won off Ebay for next to nothing a few years back.
Ashaar wrote: Wow this reveal was AMAZING for me. So excited for the new slaanesh stuff, and I'd love that box set but it really depends on the price... love the new lelith model, but love the old one too. I hadn't gotten round to ordering it yet as I was going to order it after Christmas - guess that means no finecast lelith for me! I dont know if that's good or bad.
I like the new lelith, she looks more like someone who's in combat/in a dangerous place, and i prefer her armour over the previous one's bare butt.
Glad you like it, but one of the major characteristics of Lelith is that she fights almost naked, basically in a space bikini, which is so inappropriate for combat that it's insulting to her victims in the arena because she literally doesn't have a single mark on her body. It's part of her mind games, nobody can touch her.
The new one has way to much armor IMHO for a 6+ save lol. She has a 3++ based entirely on moving out of the way, something which heavy armor doesn't assist in.
Esmer wrote:Lelith must be one of the most "redundantly identical to the old model" releases I've seen in a long time. It reminds of the old LOTR doing several models of Legolas shooting, Legolas running, Legolas taking a crap...
Why they had to prioritize re-doing her perfectly fine old model over characters such as Sliscus, Sathonyx, Malys and, you know, Vect, is beyond me.
I've felt that way about the handful of eldar models they've bothered to redo.
Partly because three of thirteen are special characters, but overall it's been 'Yeah, and what about all the stuff that really needs it?'
They're way too tight fisted on eldar updates, and I'd say they're the factions that need updates the most. A special character doesn't cut it, especially since they're no sign of -anything- else for the new codex.
Ghaz wrote: Well, those Slaangors will be getting my Christmas money!
The hedonites line is all very well done from a technical point of view, although the more they flesh it out, the more vibes I am starting to get from Zack Snyder's 300
Wonder who will win in this fight? Lelith, the ultimate gladiator, the wytch who is so good in combat she bribes people to find challenging foes for her to face, or the Palantine, this unnamed SoB who isn't even Canoness-tier and is probably a captain/lieutenant equivalency.
Ghaz wrote: Well, those Slaangors will be getting my Christmas money!
The hedonites line is all very well done from a technical point of view, although the more they flesh it out, the more vibes I am starting to get from Zack Snyder's 300
I guess that makes sense though.
That's a good way to describe it. Good update, good effort, just not my cup of 'special tea'
Dunno, but if they ever get around to changing / ret-conning / toning down all that atrocious, toe-curlingly horrible Dark Eldar stuff from the 5th Ed. Phil Kelly Codex about Lelith being the ultimate Mary Sue and people launching black holes in the kitchen without harmful effects being felt in the living room next door, 40K will certainly be better for it.
Ashaar wrote: Wow this reveal was AMAZING for me. So excited for the new slaanesh stuff, and I'd love that box set but it really depends on the price... love the new lelith model, but love the old one too. I hadn't gotten round to ordering it yet as I was going to order it after Christmas - guess that means no finecast lelith for me! I dont know if that's good or bad.
I like the new lelith, she looks more like someone who's in combat/in a dangerous place, and i prefer her armour over the previous one's bare butt.
Glad you like it, but one of the major characteristics of Lelith is that she fights almost naked, basically in a space bikini, which is so inappropriate for combat that it's insulting to her victims in the arena because she literally doesn't have a single mark on her body. It's part of her mind games, nobody can touch her.
The new one has way to much armor IMHO for a 6+ save lol. She has a 3++ based entirely on moving out of the way, something which heavy armor doesn't assist in.
Exactly, she's an arena fighter, a gladiator, and they typically fight in next to nothing. It's particularly jarring to see this oddly sex-averse toning down of Lelith being previewed at the same time as the new Slaaneshi stuff.
Sunny Side Up wrote: Dunno, but if they ever get around to changing / ret-conning / toning down all that atrocious, toe-curlingly horrible Dark Eldar stuff from the 5th Ed. Phil Kelly Codex about Lelith being the ultimate Mary Sue and people launching black holes in the kitchen without harmful effects being felt in the living room next door, 40K will certainly be better for it.
Sunny Side Up wrote: Dunno, but if they ever get around to changing / ret-conning / toning down all that atrocious, toe-curlingly horrible Dark Eldar stuff from the 5th Ed. Phil Kelly Codex about Lelith being the ultimate Mary Sue and people launching black holes in the kitchen without harmful effects being felt in the living room next door, 40K will certainly be better for it.
You may have out grown 40k my friend.
Only the bad parts ;I
But a lot of the more recent stuff has been great (in particular Eldar-stuff since Ynnari were introduced ... and Lelith / Jain Zar went Ynnari in Phoenix Rising). So there is hope.
Didn't feel like a preview at all and at best a glorified "Coming Soon" for AoS Slaanesh players. Which is great if you like Slaanesh, but given that Slaanesh was already a big feature of the last preview, this feels a bit excessive.
Unlike Jain Zar, Lelith isn't special enough for a battlebox exclusive. A Drukhari player would be better off with the current Start Collecting set and swapping the Succubus' weapons for two daggers from the wyches sprue. Again, the SoB Palatine looks like a regular Sister and certainly not worth the hassle of splitting the boxset, nor mucking around with EBay.
Wasn't expecting much from today's offering but GW needs to spend some attention to other games, which aren't crying out for much. For example, a scout titan for Titanicus and 2020 annuals for Kill Team and Blackstone Fortress.
The Sillyname Bowpeople look fantastic, but my own personal bugbears might prevent me from getting any(if they're on 32mm bases they're probably around 35-36mm tall, and I still consider 32mm tall my maximum to fit in with my existing minis - if they're on the newer 28s though, sold).
Slaangors also look great, though I hope there are more than three of 'em.
The Hedonite models are quite impressive. I worry how delicate and fragile they'll be, especially the steeds. Some of those mounts have very little in the way of contact with the base as well as very thin looking limbs.
Ashaar wrote: Wow this reveal was AMAZING for me. So excited for the new slaanesh stuff, and I'd love that box set but it really depends on the price... love the new lelith model, but love the old one too. I hadn't gotten round to ordering it yet as I was going to order it after Christmas - guess that means no finecast lelith for me! I dont know if that's good or bad.
I like the new lelith, she looks more like someone who's in combat/in a dangerous place, and i prefer her armour over the previous one's bare butt.
Glad you like it, but one of the major characteristics of Lelith is that she fights almost naked, basically in a space bikini, which is so inappropriate for combat that it's insulting to her victims in the arena because she literally doesn't have a single mark on her body. It's part of her mind games, nobody can touch her.
The new one has way to much armor IMHO for a 6+ save lol. She has a 3++ based entirely on moving out of the way, something which heavy armor doesn't assist in.
Look, I can appreciate why people prefer the old one (it's a fantastic sculpt), but the new model is basically wearing the same amount of clothing as old model, and hair is about the same too. Those reasons for not liking new one are basically false. The face I can also understand, the old one does have more subtlety to it, which hides her obvious brutality well.
I'm not sold on the thick part yet either, I'd want to see more angles first.
I don't see anything that specifically relates to this name
Probably the term for Elves who worship Hekarti.
Hekarti was an Elf goddess from the Dark Pantheon responsible for Dark Magic from Warhammer Fantasy. Not sure if they've had mentions of her before in 40k though.
Its worth noting that Wyches have been armed with "Hekatarii blades" in the game for quite a while now.
I still prefer the old Lilith, but the new one is not nearly as bad as some are making it out to be. Uninspired and a little clunky, but it's not terrible. Also, classic Citadel paint job making things look worse than they really are.
The Slaanesh stuff is magnificent. I'd have liked a bit more of cloth on them to fully copy the belly dancer asthetic from the Direchasm siblings, but I can add that with putty. One box of archers will be turned into spearmen with clothing like that.
The new horsies are so, so perfect. Scariers than the Diaz ones, but basically as graceful. They make the Lord on Snaek I got for xmas look tiny. And five to a box still? I hope they're not super duper expensive. I still have to buy Hellstriders for shields and helmets, but now I'm not sure if I want to use them on their boring mounts.
Only thing I don't like is the fact that Slaangors are 3 to a box and have the same silhouette. I'll make a fat one and a buff one, at least.
Binabik15 wrote: I still have to buy Hellstriders for shields and helmets, but now I'm not sure if I want to use them on their boring mounts.
This. They put the old models to shame and I kind of don't want to run them alongside the newer, nicer hedonites. It's like looking at the hexwraiths in a night haunts army. Yeah, they work, but they don't fit (Also, they're the only night haunts with feet...)
Well, the Sisters stuff from the new 40k box is all stuff I kinda want, so I might see if I can split a box with someone who plays Drukhari. Kinda stupid that there are only 9 models (Palatine, 5 Retributors, 2 Cherubs, and an Immolator), which could make them feel a bit outmatched against the 17 models the Drukhari get, especially since one of them is a murderhobo like Lelith.
It's really going to depend on the price, at least for me. Assuming the Palatine would be $30 separate, those three kits would total up to $160 retail. Even if the box goes for $200, I would save money if I could split it since I have little interest in starting Drukhari.
Yodhrin wrote: Slaangors also look great, though I hope there are more than three of 'em.
There are four of them. Three in this box, and one more in Direchasm.
I know that's not what you meant, but that is all we're getting. And they're probably 100% monopose. Enjoy!
No there's three, because no bugger is selling the bloody Direchasm one anywhere(for real, I've not seen a secondary market for a GW box be this one-sided in a long time)
Since I have a SoB force that needs more Immolators and a Hedonite force that needs more everything, this was a great reveal.
Sort of nonplussed by Ms.Hesperax. I still have the sex-toy-holding metal version of her from the 1990s...kind of difficult to reproduce that these days I suppose.
I wouldn't read particularly far into Lelith being no longer available so quickly after the new model was announced, she sold out on the Australian webstore months ago and hasn't been back since. Stock would have been very low, and there's no doubt in my mind that people would have been snatching up what they could to resell to the nostalgia market
Slaanesh stuff is phenomenal, though. Genuinely excited to finally have dynamic looking seekers in plastic. Slaangors are as expected based on Slakeslash, but that's a good thing.
@Yodhrin, the archers are on smaller bases than the Shardspeaker, who fits the profile of a modern AoS hero on a 32mm base, so I'd be confident in claiming they're on 25mm bases
Billicus wrote: It's just the corporate-speak trademarkable term for Wyches
Or more likely it's a callback to the Elf deity Hekarti, a goddess of murder/dark magics and also known as "Mother of Hydras".
Not like Hekatrix Bloodbrides were a thing either.
Love being sagely told stuff I already know. The point is, the marketing material now goes on and on about "Hekatarii" when talking about Wyches for the benefit of proliferating the more trademarkable term. Frankly I think you knew what I was getting at.
And yeah, the poetry of the first new plastic craftworld release in years being an actual corpse is beautiful
Jidmah wrote: The new Lilith is really kind of a let-down compared to the one from 5th, especially the face.
I own the two previous Hesperax models. It was unnecessary to release a third version of her as this new incarnation is too similar to the second one.
That is intentional. They are not redesigning some of these iconic characters, they are just remastering them, transitioning from metal/resin to plastic. Look at Kharn or Ahariman and their updated models vs the old ones. They looked good before, like lelith, so they just got redone with modern sculpting and in plastic. They aren't like ghazkull who was completely redone, or ragnar who was updated from a static 2nd ed pose.
And yeah, the poetry of the first new plastic craftworld release in years being an actual corpse is beautiful
Well, except the 6 from last year. Lils puts the dark eldar up by one whole model.
Both factions need a good 6-10 kits at least.
Dark eldar need grotesques and mandrake in plastic as far as units go. The rest of the models needing updated are all mixed unit models for the court of the archon and beastmasters. Dark Eldar need new units period, since they are split into fractions. A second type of ha for labels, covers, and cults is really needed, and preferably a second troop choice for each. And move scourges into labels li,e the fluff says.
Eldar just need a couple more releases like blood of the Phoenix, but sanely priced, to get some more aspect warriors in plastic with Phoenix lords. Well, they could use more than that, like avatar, more aurarchs, redone guardians andvipers, but the aspect warriors are easier to do in bite sized chunks. ,
All the new releases look amazing, Archers on foot the best of the bunch.
Ok Lelith looks like Ronda Rousey cosplaying as a Wych but shes not as bad as the last one
Lelith looks absolutely terrible, they completely failed to produce any sense of a lithe acrobat, ending up with something closer to a hobbit (look at those feet!) after she had a big Christmas meal.
The Slaanesh models, meanwhile, are excellent, especially the archers. An amazing contrast in failure and success.
yukishiro1 wrote: Lelith looks absolutely terrible, they completely failed to produce any sense of a lithe acrobat, ending up with something closer to a hobbit (look at those feet!) after she had a big Christmas meal.
I've seen some reaching in my time, but that takes the biscuit.
The real question is: How many Venoms does GW have in stock?
Everyone that plays the army has 4-6, god stop with the Venoms in boxes! Those are always at 50% discount at eBay, and in a couple of months they will cost 10€ each.
Yodhrin wrote: The Sillyname Bowpeople look fantastic, but my own personal bugbears might prevent me from getting any(if they're on 32mm bases they're probably around 35-36mm tall, and I still consider 32mm tall my maximum to fit in with my existing minis - if they're on the newer 28s though, sold).
Slaangors also look great, though I hope there are more than three of 'em.
Not 32mms anyway either 25 or 28, I think the archers are 28mm bases as the cauldron bearer looks like it's on a smaller base. The Exalted Seekers look bigger than the current ones
Palatine being confined to a useless combi-box would be worse if the model was more interesting; as it is it just reduces it from "might buy, but probably won't" to "no". So... thanks GW?
Lelith is simply worse than the previous version. Pose is even more generic "jumping around" and less interesting, hair is less detailed (so flat) and just too long, face a bit more boring too (rawr, angry). GW can do better...
...because those Slaanesh figures show it. Love the variation in styles in the archers, with different masks, straps, clothes and legwear, within the same coherent aesthetic. Not actually interested in collecting them personally, but I'm glad they exist.
The Slaanesh minis are almost enough to make me interested in buying GW minis again. First sculpts in the last several years that I've been really impressed with.
I'm not sure but what that Lelith model isn't really as bad as it is made to look. I think the viewing angle and the paintjob are not doing her any favors. I'd like to see the model from more angles and painted by other people before I pass judgement. I don't actually "have a dog in the fight" as I don't play/collect Drukhari but I still think that model might be better than we can actually tell.
The Slaanesh models are awesome! Love the archers a lot, love the Seekers (finally some movement on those models, not like the stiff Marauder and Daemonette from before), also love the Slaangor, would make some nice Slaanesh-theme Minotaurs or something!
Also I need the music playing during the video somehow, love it!
In every other industry, the promotional photographs make the models look better. Nobody ever says "Hey, I bet that McDonalds burger looks better in real life!"
Not that I'm saying it's necessarily wrong, mind you. GW definitely has previous for taking awful promo shots. It's just weird that the quality is so inconsistent.
Keep in mind that the Palantine is probably the easiest possible conversion for a Sisters player. Take plasma pistol from Canoness box. Take sheathed power sword from BSS box. Apply to any spare SoB model with a minimum of fuss. Add a fancy head for flavor - you've got 100 spare heads floating around on sprues.
I remember very well when the 5th edition Dark Eldar released and this forum was complaining about that version of Lilith. How she looked like a man. Didn't wear shoes. Had a stupid dynamic pose. Her hair was too long. She was too muscular. Some of you are literally the same people.
Kinda makes sense, since a lot of the feedback here is "there was no reason to remake the model if they were just gonna do the same thing again, but even worse." People preferring the prior model doesn't mean they particularly like either one.
They manage to make a better Lelith sculpt decade ago without all the crazy tech and advance CAD. The crazy hairdo on the new sculpt isn't even that great, it'll break off and is a nightmare to move around.
I mean,, if a model drops on a floor, anything can break, not just flimsy parts. if we where constatnly worry about peices coming off, we might as well play with carboard cut outs.
Use a glue like Plastic weld and you aint gotta problem really.
jake wrote: I remember very well when the 5th edition Dark Eldar released and this forum was complaining about that version of Lilith. How she looked like a man. Didn't wear shoes. Had a stupid dynamic pose. Her hair was too long. She was too muscular. Some of you are literally the same people.
I mean, the new one has a worse pose in my opinion (would change the previous one's base personally, but the overall pose is better than leaping model number 49238) and her hair is even longer (now positively in the "will drag along the floor if standing still" category with Jain Zar), so I'm not sure why you would expect anyone who disliked those aspects before will like them now. (She also may be more muscular, but that's difficult to tell, and I don't particularly care about that aspect myself.) Not that I was among those disliking the previous one; had she been available in metal now (or recreated as such in plastic), she would have been my basis for a Necromunda Escher Death Maiden for sure.
I just don't like the Lelith face. Which you are inevitably drawn too because there isn't much else on the model (beyond big hair, which doesn't bother me).
Not as disappointed as with Drazhar, but not inspired. Don't have much hope for the box unless the DE stuff is practically free. "Why does no one want to buy decade old sculpts at 85% RRP."
yukishiro1 wrote: Lelith looks absolutely terrible, they completely failed to produce any sense of a lithe acrobat, ending up with something closer to a hobbit (look at those feet!) after she had a big Christmas meal.
I've seen some reaching in my time, but that takes the biscuit.
I think Lelith had most of the biscuits. Those thighs
yukishiro1 wrote: Lelith looks absolutely terrible, they completely failed to produce any sense of a lithe acrobat, ending up with something closer to a hobbit (look at those feet!) after she had a big Christmas meal.
I've seen some reaching in my time, but that takes the biscuit.
I think Lelith had most of the biscuits. Those thighs
All the better to crush man’s skull like sparrow’s egg.
yukishiro1 wrote: Lelith looks absolutely terrible, they completely failed to produce any sense of a lithe acrobat, ending up with something closer to a hobbit (look at those feet!) after she had a big Christmas meal.
I've seen some reaching in my time, but that takes the biscuit.
I think Lelith had most of the biscuits. Those thighs
All the better to crush man’s skull like sparrow’s egg.
Can think of worse deaths than with my head between a woman's thighs
But in lore, isn't she supposed to have very little armor? Even by wych cult standards? I seem to recall that being a point somewhere along the line.
When she's fighting in the arena sure. Might be them deciding to differentiate her 'at war' from her in the arena or something. Who knows or really cares?
Hell, for all we know it might be tied to some lore event where she gets wounded and scarred and is now wearing armor to hide it.
Jidmah wrote: The new Lilith is really kind of a let-down compared to the one from 5th, especially the face.
I own the two previous Hesperax models. It was unnecessary to release a third version of her as this new incarnation is too similar to the second one.
Well, it was necessary if they want to burry finecast for good.
The 2nd model was available in metal too and that is the version which resides in my collection.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hmm, the Hedonites are not good enough. I expected a Slaanesh cult which looked more like the cannibals from Tulsa Doom's sect in Conan the Barbarian. GW's Hedonites lack an impressing physique which is normally characteristic to Chaos units and they have too much bling & scarfs on them. Pass.
By the way, is it just me, or did GW kinda miss the golden opportunity to pair Lelith with the one Sororitas character with actual Wych gladiatorial arena combat experience?
Slaanesh has never been my cup of tea and this release does not change it. However, I am happy that Slaanesh finally gets the attention that it deserves. The previous release already had some nice miniatures but it was quickly forgotten with only one week in spotlight.
Personally I am not a fan of new Slaanesh miniatures but I can totally understand why many are.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I mean,, if a model drops on a floor, anything can break, not just flimsy parts. if we where constatnly worry about peices coming off, we might as well play with carboard cut outs.
Use a glue like Plastic weld and you aint gotta problem really.
That's ridiculous. "It is technically possible that any model can break if dropped" doesn't lead to "so considering whether a model's design makes it excessively fragile is pointless" by any sane, rational measure.
I've accidentally trodden on some plastic models before without any serious ill effects(to the models, my feet were another matter), that has no bearing on the fact that a lot of modern GW models are so flimsy parts of them can break on the sprue while still inside a sealed box, and others will break when simply removing the parts from the sprue as-directed. Not to mention all of the tiny thin trailing details that can catch on anything from case foam to your own sleeve and snap off, leaving a contact surface so small repairing it is a nonsense idea, or the parts that are now so thin they resist conversions - I'd hoped to turn the leader model from the Khainite elves Underworlds box into a Sorceress, but I had to put the project aside because it's not physically possible to swap the spear out for a staff without replacing the entire arm and resculpting accordingly, since both the haft and the wrist are so thin they can't be drilled and pinned, and provide almost no surface area to glue with cement.
These models being fragile and flimsy often absolutely is a thing.
EDIT: I will say, hold off judging Lelith's face until we see the unpainted models. Time and again recently GW has proven their sculptors are perfectly capable of creating female faces, and their painters are perfectly capable of making them look like badly made up drag queens. They should really get the 'Eavy Metal painters to watch some youtube makeup tutorials or something.
They are pretty clearly removing scantily-clad women from the 40k IP, and there isn't much point fighting against it because it's not a decision driven by lore but rather by real-life marketing considerations. Saying "but Lelith is the exception! She is supposed to be that way" will get you nowhere with a marketing executive who could care less about "the lore."
That said, the model fails on its own terms. The rest of the eldar line proves that they are perfectly capable of creating lithe, dexterous armored warriors that don't have huge hobbit feet and don't look like they just ate a huge christmas dinner. All the compositional choices on the model reinforce the short and squat impression, and that's just terrible design.
yukishiro1 wrote: They are pretty clearly removing scantily-clad women from the 40k IP, and there isn't much point fighting against it because it's not a decision driven by lore but rather by real-life marketing considerations. Saying "but Lelith is the exception! She is supposed to be that way" will get you nowhere with a marketing executive who could care less about "the lore."
That said, the model fails on its own terms. The rest of the eldar line proves that they are perfectly capable of creating lithe, dexterous armored warriors that don't have huge hobbit feet and don't look like they just ate a huge christmas dinner. All the compositional choices on the model reinforce the short and squat impression, and that's just terrible design.
So who is in charge of AOS then? I mean the new hedonites brings out the issue further in my opinion especially since we can see a comparison. Unless the AOS team just has more general freedom to do things. I wonder if the rumour that most designers want to be on the AOS team seems to actually be true then?
Looking at Lelith's current model, the new one's pretty faithful. The bra/shirt's a bit longer, but its the same design. Same glove on the right hand, the legs have the same style armor, etc. The only real difference is her legs aren't as exposed. I don't think the new model is more heavily armored, the only "big" difference is you can't see as much as her thighs. Which some might hate, since Lelith is known for her lack of attire, but the new one really isn't different
yukishiro1 wrote: They are pretty clearly removing scantily-clad women from the 40k IP, and there isn't much point fighting against it because it's not a decision driven by lore but rather by real-life marketing considerations. Saying "but Lelith is the exception! She is supposed to be that way" will get you nowhere with a marketing executive who could care less about "the lore."
Yet another win for the recasters who're still put out things like Juan Diaz Daemonettes and companies like Raging Heroes.
Surprised to see so much controversy over the new Lelith, although at the moment I am slightly leaning towards favouring the old metal/finecast sculpt. Need to see a 360.
yukishiro1 wrote: They are pretty clearly removing scantily-clad women from the 40k IP, and there isn't much point fighting against it because it's not a decision driven by lore but rather by real-life marketing considerations. Saying "but Lelith is the exception! She is supposed to be that way" will get you nowhere with a marketing executive who could care less about "the lore."
That said, the model fails on its own terms. The rest of the eldar line proves that they are perfectly capable of creating lithe, dexterous armored warriors that don't have huge hobbit feet and don't look like they just ate a huge christmas dinner. All the compositional choices on the model reinforce the short and squat impression, and that's just terrible design.
So who is in charge of AOS then? I mean the new hedonites brings out the issue further in my opinion especially since we can see a comparison. Unless the AOS team just has more general freedom to do things. I wonder if the rumour that most designers want to be on the AOS team seems to actually be true then?
The Hedonites are equally scantily-clad, whether male or female, so that's a bit different.
But yes, the Hedonites are way, way, way better models than Lelith. I don't know if that says anything about AOS vs 40k generally, though.
But in lore, isn't she supposed to have very little armor? Even by wych cult standards? I seem to recall that being a point somewhere along the line.
Don't know, but still, does it really matter? For me it's more rule of cool anyway
Does it matter if the next incarnation of Tycho doesn't have a mask?
Little bit of a false equivalence there. A mask is an objective reality. 'not very much armour' is a subjective sliding scale depending on people's viewpoint.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Call me crazy but my favourite pose for models is "both legs on the ground"
To be honest, this seems like a recent problem.
For example, I think Harlequins and Scourges look pretty good with just one foot on the ground. Indeed, I've used Scourge legs in several conversions because I think they're an excellent way to give a model a dynamic pose without going over the top.
I think the problem is that GW seems to have lost the ability to pose models in ways that look natural. Many of the recent ones either have completely unnatural poses or else look like they're in the process of falling off of whatever stupid piece of rock they're standing on.
yukishiro1 wrote: They are pretty clearly removing scantily-clad women from the 40k IP, and there isn't much point fighting against it because it's not a decision driven by lore but rather by real-life marketing considerations. Saying "but Lelith is the exception! She is supposed to be that way" will get you nowhere with a marketing executive who could care less about "the lore."
That said, the model fails on its own terms. The rest of the eldar line proves that they are perfectly capable of creating lithe, dexterous armored warriors that don't have huge hobbit feet and don't look like they just ate a huge christmas dinner. All the compositional choices on the model reinforce the short and squat impression, and that's just terrible design.
So who is in charge of AOS then? I mean the new hedonites brings out the issue further in my opinion especially since we can see a comparison. Unless the AOS team just has more general freedom to do things. I wonder if the rumour that most designers want to be on the AOS team seems to actually be true then?
Good lord, if I had the choice I'd take the glorious chaotic freedom of AOS over Space Marine Hellzone all day every day. What artist WOULDN'T pick AOS over 40k?
I think the problem is that GW seems to have lost the ability to pose models in ways that look natural. Many of the recent ones either have completely unnatural poses or else look like they're in the process of falling off of whatever stupid piece of rock they're standing on.
Or they are action poses based off photography at key moments. See the thing is humans have pretty slow resolution for motion, from what I recall we only see something around 25fps. As a result a lot of fast motion is mostly a blur to us and we only get a rough sense of the movement. Break out a camera and you can freeze things and see motion that otherwise might be invisible.
Take the Deathriders
The pose in the middle might be argued to be odd as only one leg of four is actually touching the ground. Meanwhile the right one has a more spread out pose that looks a touch ungainly.
However if you use photography you can see horses make those moves in perfectly normal strides as part of the complete set of motions their legs go through. Heck you see dogs* do similar motions
Here we see a similar motion, one leg connecting, the other three not with one just about to connect.
These are "real" motion poses and might well be the kind of thing sculptors are working with.
However there's real and real. If we go back to the deathriders the pose on the far right would not be the kind that would win an award in a photography competition. It's pose isn't "attractive" nor "desirable". So whilst its a perfectly natural part of the gait of the animal and rider its not what you'd want or what others would desire. It's not that "classic" grace of motion.
GW sculptors are likely doing just that. Some are working clearly with some classic artistic poses and styles; whilst in other cases they are working with real life motion and form, but branching outside of the purely artistic concepts (some of which can actually be very unnatural). So perhaps they are actually doing stuff too naturally!
*and I only picked dogs because I know I had that photo whilst finding one of a horse doing the same might take me hours or might be one I don't have since I don't tend to do that kind of photography - capturing those split second "classic attractive" positions is very challenging at best.
yukishiro1 wrote: They are pretty clearly removing scantily-clad women from the 40k IP, and there isn't much point fighting against it because it's not a decision driven by lore but rather by real-life marketing considerations. Saying "but Lelith is the exception! She is supposed to be that way" will get you nowhere with a marketing executive who could care less about "the lore."
That said, the model fails on its own terms. The rest of the eldar line proves that they are perfectly capable of creating lithe, dexterous armored warriors that don't have huge hobbit feet and don't look like they just ate a huge christmas dinner. All the compositional choices on the model reinforce the short and squat impression, and that's just terrible design.
So who is in charge of AOS then? I mean the new hedonites brings out the issue further in my opinion especially since we can see a comparison. Unless the AOS team just has more general freedom to do things. I wonder if the rumour that most designers want to be on the AOS team seems to actually be true then?
Good lord, if I had the choice I'd take the glorious chaotic freedom of AOS over Space Marine Hellzone all day every day. What artist WOULDN'T pick AOS over 40k?
It might also be that many of the things we want for 40K have already been designed years ago. Either in concept art or all the way to model masters. Some armies might be sitting there with several masters potentially ready go to for the same model and just needing a manager to sign off and a production slot. Meanwhile AoS is very fresh and new; there's no backlog of 30 years design work and far more room for creatives to come up with fresh ideas. Look at the Ossiarchs or Idoneth - ideas that are clearly very new to GW if not totally new. Or very old ideas brought out from the vaults that haven't been touched in decades (and thus are born again fresh).
So yep I can see why designers might well want to jump onto AoS. However there might also be other internal politics as well - eg as noted the dominance of marine releases might well be a bore for some designers as well; or might be a pain for those who do design outside of them in getting their creations made and not endlessly shelved or put to one side etc.... Whilst Gw makes a fortune off marines and we can't ignore that they have helped build and grow GW to what we know and love today; there are also downsides to such a marketing and sales strategy.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Call me crazy but my favourite pose for models is "both legs on the ground"
To be honest, this seems like a recent problem.
It isn't really. It goes back to the last metal wardancers, and so many elves since have been 'elf on tactical rock.'
Other models too (the Chaos Marine Master of Possession and his Warner Brothers cartoon airwalking while his cloak lifts him off the ground is the ultimate low point), but its particularly egregious with elves and space elfs (the witch elves being a great example, as they _all_ seem intent on dodging imaginary lava)
I think Overread is being typically over-generous with his action photography theory. GW sculptors are just obsessed with the idea of 'dynamic' static models despite it being an oxymoron, and the the product line suffers from absurdity as a result.
I'd much rather a return to practicality. No rock perching or rock jumping, no spirits, cloaks or hair deadlifting armored soldiers, just head weapons and feet set in a practical manner, with as few fragile bits and bobs as possible.
I think Overread is being typically over-generous with his action photography theory. GW sculptors are just obsessed with the idea of 'dynamic' static models despite it being an oxymoron, and the the product line suffers from absurdity as a result.
I'd much rather a return to practicality. No rock perching or rock jumping, no spirits, cloaks or hair deadlifting armored soldiers, just head weapons and feet set in a practical manner, with as few fragile bits and bobs as possible.
As much as I love Khinerai models I do have to agree on the practicalities side of things. I see it as a symptom of digital sculpting. If you physically sculpt you'd be putting in supports just to make your own job easier; but with digital you can go utterly wild and some of the weak points don't likely become evident till you're way down the production line. Thing is Khinerai could keep their poses as they are, keep all that fantastic suggestion of motion and then put a rock or something for their leg to be "kicking off" or "Swinging past" so that they've at least two contact points to the base not just their thin tail.
But its not just GW. Look at Raging heroes and other brands, its something that is spreading through miniature design right now (perhaps GW is encouraging it or its just the general shift from physical to digital sculptors and the new gen of digital need that experience to realise how to give high motion high dynamic poses with proper supports for practical gaming).
hotsauceman1 wrote: Two legs on the ground is honestly kinda boring TBH.
Let me see some motion and some flow to the model.
Both can be accomplished with out rock jumping and with a practical, sturdy model as the end result.
The current trend is basically a visual cheat, with no regard to the end product or its use as a game piece.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Call me crazy but my favourite pose for models is "both legs on the ground"
To be honest, this seems like a recent problem.
It isn't really. It goes back to the last metal wardancers, and so many elves since have been 'elf on tactical rock.'
Other models too (the Chaos Marine Master of Possession and his Warner Brothers cartoon airwalking while his cloak lifts him off the ground is the ultimate low point), but its particularly egregious with elves and space elfs (the witch elves being a great example, as they _all_ seem intent on dodging imaginary lava)
I think Overread is being typically over-generous with his action photography theory. GW sculptors are just obsessed with the idea of 'dynamic' static models despite it being an oxymoron, and the the product line suffers from absurdity as a result.
I'd much rather a return to practicality. No rock perching or rock jumping, no spirits, cloaks or hair deadlifting armored soldiers, just head weapons and feet set in a practical manner, with as few fragile bits and bobs as possible.
As it happens, those Wardancers managed a trick that many recent figures seem to haver forgotten: have figures in different poses than leaping. The whole set of their sculps has only a few different versions of the legs that are repeated. Only one is somewhat leaping forwards, and in a less extreme manner than what you'd see in most modern sculpts; and being on the ground, it's equal parts running and leaping. Another is dodging. Another running, with the front leg touching the ground rather than the one at the back, something they seem to have forgotten how to do in AoS/40k - every Witch Elf or Howling Banshee just has the back leg extended and touching the ground/conveniently placed stone structure. They could take somes cues from BloodBowl, where some figures at least manage a more natural and interesting dynamic look. Anyway, it's a problem that certainly goes back some years, with the worst offender possibly being the latest Bloodthirster. It's a design choice presumably fuelled by whatever in-house style GW prefers, perhaps exploring the possibilities of plastic over metal (maybe purposefully used to make new figures stand out from the previous incarnations?), and certainly caused by thinking about whether you can, rather than whether you should (i.e., for figures that are intended as bloody gaming pieces). See also: Balancy McBalance, Lumineth Mr. Alarith Stonemage.
Still shocked the new giant actually has both feet solidly on the ground to be honest.
yeah, all the leaping from rocks ish needs to stop. I hate overly grandiose poses in minis, you can create motion and feel with much subtler adjustments than that.
If everything gets dialed to 11 ALL THE TIME, there is no sense of scale/dynamics. It all just becomes a samey mush
hotsauceman1 wrote: Two legs on the ground is honestly kinda boring TBH.
Let me see some motion and some flow to the model.
I'd rather have a boring model than one with motion if that motion is accomplished by said model leaping off a rock twice as tall as it, with only it's 12 feet long hair connecting it to the ground
hotsauceman1 wrote: Two legs on the ground is honestly kinda boring TBH.
Let me see some motion and some flow to the model.
I'd rather have a boring model than one with motion if that motion is accomplished by said model leaping off a rock twice as tall as it, with only it's 12 feet long hair connecting it to the ground
What he said.
Too many 'gaming' figures are sculpted straight from an artists idealised vision rather than taking physical use into consideration.
tauist wrote: If everything gets dialed to 11 ALL THE TIME, there is no sense of scale/dynamics. It all just becomes a samey mush
I think part of the issue is that they're not just jumping off a small, convenient rock but instead have to be leaping from a massive piece of scenery.
In other words, it feels almost like a shop-bought conversion. Except somehow posed more awkwardly.
Tactical rocks do kind of annoy me. Captain Morgan poses are a dime a dozen. The ones I really hate are when the rock is specific scenery, like all the building rubble on the Indomitus Necrons. Don’t do that! It doesn’t match my basing. The worst offenders have to be the Eliminators kit though. Weird flat debris stuff they’re kneeling on. Not like cool poses, just kneeling. And it’s hard to remove simply because it’s not level, their feet and knees are all at weird angles not parallel with their bases. It was stupid and annoying.
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