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Slaanesh stuff looks fantastic, GW really does feel like they put a huge amount of effort into this and the Daemon side of the release.

Ah, revealing nothing we didn’t already know was coming. I didn’t have high hopes for this anyway.

The way they teased a new faction book made me think it would not be Hedonites, because we knew they were getting one simply due to the volume of new models.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Those archers are easy the best 2020 kit. Easy!

Not quite so easy. While time travel is easy for chaos gods doing that from book　is tricky

Billicus wrote:
I must literally have different eyes to the people that like new Lelith, I think she's just terrible. And the OG resin one went from in stock to out of stock on the UK webstore within about 20 minutes of the announcement, which is a pretty strong indictment of the new one imo

No I agree with you 100%

The old model was subtle and had way more realistic and subtle sculpting. It literally looks like a petite, unassuming female hero that you wouldn't expect to be such a mad, gracegul killer.

The new one is just cranking up those subtle features to 11.

She has an obviously angry and mean expression, she's frozen in a strange pose that is supposed to be dynamic, but they got it all wrong since her hair is moving in an impossible way with her body. Oh and she's super blocky looking now, not lithe and light like a panther that the old model reminds me of.

Then obviously we can talk about that absolutely stupid hair. The old model was just about pushing what you'd expect from the fluff and what would work, the new model apparently is in some odd contest with Jain Zar to have the dirtiest, most impractical hair in the universe as it drags on the floor.

I'm overall glad she got an update, because if nothing else it means she won't disappear as a character that is playable. (Here's hoping the redo Urien for the same reason)

Overall I am happy since I own over 15k in Dark Eldar already and I hate the sisters aesthetic, so this box is arguable wore value to me then Rise of the Phoenix, so it looks like I won't need to buy it.

Thankfully I have an unopened version of the original in pewter I won off Ebay for next to nothing a few years back.

Well, those Slaangors will be getting my Christmas money!

Ashaar wrote:
Wow this reveal was AMAZING for me. So excited for the new slaanesh stuff, and I'd love that box set but it really depends on the price... love the new lelith model, but love the old one too. I hadn't gotten round to ordering it yet as I was going to order it after Christmas - guess that means no finecast lelith for me! I dont know if that's good or bad.

I like the new lelith, she looks more like someone who's in combat/in a dangerous place, and i prefer her armour over the previous one's bare butt.

Glad you like it, but one of the major characteristics of Lelith is that she fights almost naked, basically in a space bikini, which is so inappropriate for combat that it's insulting to her victims in the arena because she literally doesn't have a single mark on her body. It's part of her mind games, nobody can touch her.

The new one has way to much armor IMHO for a 6+ save lol. She has a 3++ based entirely on moving out of the way, something which heavy armor doesn't assist in.

Esmer wrote:Lelith must be one of the most "redundantly identical to the old model" releases I've seen in a long time. It reminds of the old LOTR doing several models of Legolas shooting, Legolas running, Legolas taking a crap...
Why they had to prioritize re-doing her perfectly fine old model over characters such as Sliscus, Sathonyx, Malys and, you know, Vect, is beyond me.

I've felt that way about the handful of eldar models they've bothered to redo.
Partly because three of thirteen are special characters, but overall it's been 'Yeah, and what about all the stuff that really needs it?'

They're way too tight fisted on eldar updates, and I'd say they're the factions that need updates the most. A special character doesn't cut it, especially since they're no sign of -anything- else for the new codex.

 Ghaz wrote:
Well, those Slaangors will be getting my Christmas money!

The hedonites line is all very well done from a technical point of view, although the more they flesh it out, the more vibes I am starting to get from Zack Snyder's 300

I guess that makes sense though.

Wonder who will win in this fight? Lelith, the ultimate gladiator, the wytch who is so good in combat she bribes people to find challenging foes for her to face, or the Palantine, this unnamed SoB who isn't even Canoness-tier and is probably a captain/lieutenant equivalency.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Well, those Slaangors will be getting my Christmas money!

The hedonites line is all very well done from a technical point of view, although the more they flesh it out, the more vibes I am starting to get from Zack Snyder's 300

I guess that makes sense though.

That's a good way to describe it. Good update, good effort, just not my cup of 'special tea'

Dunno, but if they ever get around to changing / ret-conning / toning down all that atrocious, toe-curlingly horrible Dark Eldar stuff from the 5th Ed. Phil Kelly Codex about Lelith being the ultimate Mary Sue and people launching black holes in the kitchen without harmful effects being felt in the living room next door, 40K will certainly be better for it.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Ashaar wrote:
Wow this reveal was AMAZING for me. So excited for the new slaanesh stuff, and I'd love that box set but it really depends on the price... love the new lelith model, but love the old one too. I hadn't gotten round to ordering it yet as I was going to order it after Christmas - guess that means no finecast lelith for me! I dont know if that's good or bad.

I like the new lelith, she looks more like someone who's in combat/in a dangerous place, and i prefer her armour over the previous one's bare butt.

Glad you like it, but one of the major characteristics of Lelith is that she fights almost naked, basically in a space bikini, which is so inappropriate for combat that it's insulting to her victims in the arena because she literally doesn't have a single mark on her body. It's part of her mind games, nobody can touch her.

The new one has way to much armor IMHO for a 6+ save lol. She has a 3++ based entirely on moving out of the way, something which heavy armor doesn't assist in.

Exactly, she's an arena fighter, a gladiator, and they typically fight in next to nothing. It's particularly jarring to see this oddly sex-averse toning down of Lelith being previewed at the same time as the new Slaaneshi stuff.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Dunno, but if they ever get around to changing / ret-conning / toning down all that atrocious, toe-curlingly horrible Dark Eldar stuff from the 5th Ed. Phil Kelly Codex about Lelith being the ultimate Mary Sue and people launching black holes in the kitchen without harmful effects being felt in the living room next door, 40K will certainly be better for it.

You may have out grown 40k my friend.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Dunno, but if they ever get around to changing / ret-conning / toning down all that atrocious, toe-curlingly horrible Dark Eldar stuff from the 5th Ed. Phil Kelly Codex about Lelith being the ultimate Mary Sue and people launching black holes in the kitchen without harmful effects being felt in the living room next door, 40K will certainly be better for it.

You may have out grown 40k my friend.

Only the bad parts ;I

But a lot of the more recent stuff has been great (in particular Eldar-stuff since Ynnari were introduced ... and Lelith / Jain Zar went Ynnari in Phoenix Rising). So there is hope.

Didn't feel like a preview at all and at best a glorified "Coming Soon" for AoS Slaanesh players. Which is great if you like Slaanesh, but given that Slaanesh was already a big feature of the last preview, this feels a bit excessive.

Unlike Jain Zar, Lelith isn't special enough for a battlebox exclusive. A Drukhari player would be better off with the current Start Collecting set and swapping the Succubus' weapons for two daggers from the wyches sprue. Again, the SoB Palatine looks like a regular Sister and certainly not worth the hassle of splitting the boxset, nor mucking around with EBay.

Wasn't expecting much from today's offering but GW needs to spend some attention to other games, which aren't crying out for much. For example, a scout titan for Titanicus and 2020 annuals for Kill Team and Blackstone Fortress.

The Sillyname Bowpeople look fantastic, but my own personal bugbears might prevent me from getting any(if they're on 32mm bases they're probably around 35-36mm tall, and I still consider 32mm tall my maximum to fit in with my existing minis - if they're on the newer 28s though, sold).

Slaangors also look great, though I hope there are more than three of 'em.

The Hedonite models are quite impressive. I worry how delicate and fragile they'll be, especially the steeds. Some of those mounts have very little in the way of contact with the base as well as very thin looking limbs.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Ashaar wrote:
Wow this reveal was AMAZING for me. So excited for the new slaanesh stuff, and I'd love that box set but it really depends on the price... love the new lelith model, but love the old one too. I hadn't gotten round to ordering it yet as I was going to order it after Christmas - guess that means no finecast lelith for me! I dont know if that's good or bad.

I like the new lelith, she looks more like someone who's in combat/in a dangerous place, and i prefer her armour over the previous one's bare butt.

Glad you like it, but one of the major characteristics of Lelith is that she fights almost naked, basically in a space bikini, which is so inappropriate for combat that it's insulting to her victims in the arena because she literally doesn't have a single mark on her body. It's part of her mind games, nobody can touch her.

The new one has way to much armor IMHO for a 6+ save lol. She has a 3++ based entirely on moving out of the way, something which heavy armor doesn't assist in.

Look, I can appreciate why people prefer the old one (it's a fantastic sculpt), but the new model is basically wearing the same amount of clothing as old model, and hair is about the same too. Those reasons for not liking new one are basically false. The face I can also understand, the old one does have more subtlety to it, which hides her obvious brutality well.
I'm not sold on the thick part yet either, I'd want to see more angles first.

SOoo... what are the Hekatarii?

I don't see anything that specifically relates to this name.

It's just the corporate-speak trademarkable term for Wyches

Its an expression, 'what the Hekatarii, Drukari?!'


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But yeah, I think the above is right. Nonsense trademark speak term.

I'll laugh if it makes people think there is a new unit coming, however.

Yeah, I've a mate who was labouring under the mistaken belief that Hekatarii would be an Ad Mech unit. Honestly I can kind of see why he'd think that

I like how we pretend terms like "wyches" aren't themselves just made up to sell minis.

Bummer. This was a letdown. I was really hoping it was something we have not seen yet.
Is there a new years reveal this year?

SOoo... what are the Hekatarii?

I don't see anything that specifically relates to this name

Probably the term for Elves who worship Hekarti.

Hekarti was an Elf goddess from the Dark Pantheon responsible for Dark Magic from Warhammer Fantasy. Not sure if they've had mentions of her before in 40k though.

Its worth noting that Wyches have been armed with "Hekatarii blades" in the game for quite a while now.

I still prefer the old Lilith, but the new one is not nearly as bad as some are making it out to be. Uninspired and a little clunky, but it's not terrible. Also, classic Citadel paint job making things look worse than they really are.

The Slaanesh archers remind me so much of enemies you'd see in an 80's Savage Sword Of Conan comic. I need a box just to paint for fun!

Billicus wrote:
It's just the corporate-speak trademarkable term for Wyches

Or more likely it's a callback to the Elf deity Hekarti, a goddess of murder/dark magics and also known as "Mother of Hydras".

Not like Hekatrix Bloodbrides were a thing either.

The Slaanesh stuff is magnificent. I'd have liked a bit more of cloth on them to fully copy the belly dancer asthetic from the Direchasm siblings, but I can add that with putty. One box of archers will be turned into spearmen with clothing like that.

The new horsies are so, so perfect. Scariers than the Diaz ones, but basically as graceful. They make the Lord on Snaek I got for xmas look tiny. And five to a box still? I hope they're not super duper expensive. I still have to buy Hellstriders for shields and helmets, but now I'm not sure if I want to use them on their boring mounts.

Only thing I don't like is the fact that Slaangors are 3 to a box and have the same silhouette. I'll make a fat one and a buff one, at least.

 Binabik15 wrote:
I still have to buy Hellstriders for shields and helmets, but now I'm not sure if I want to use them on their boring mounts.

This. They put the old models to shame and I kind of don't want to run them alongside the newer, nicer hedonites. It's like looking at the hexwraiths in a night haunts army. Yeah, they work, but they don't fit (Also, they're the only night haunts with feet...)

Well, the Sisters stuff from the new 40k box is all stuff I kinda want, so I might see if I can split a box with someone who plays Drukhari. Kinda stupid that there are only 9 models (Palatine, 5 Retributors, 2 Cherubs, and an Immolator), which could make them feel a bit outmatched against the 17 models the Drukhari get, especially since one of them is a murderhobo like Lelith.

It's really going to depend on the price, at least for me. Assuming the Palatine would be $30 separate, those three kits would total up to $160 retail. Even if the box goes for $200, I would save money if I could split it since I have little interest in starting Drukhari.