We all know that the warhammer hobby often captures the hearts of a lot of odd folks, lonley folks and maybe just.. yea the odd ones out. What is the weirdest experience you've had, playing against another person?
Id like to say ive been through hell, but ive honestly never ever met anyone who was crazy personally.
Had an incident over 10 years ago which still sticks in my mind a bit.
Back when Games Day was a thing, the local GW ran an Apocalypse game, the theme being "this is all just for fun, but every model you kill gets you a penny off your GD ticket". To be honest, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, at the very most you'd get £2 off, which the staff were happy to do seeing as you've spent the whole day here and are more likely to buy stuff as a result.
Anyway, it's a good long table, has to be at least 10". I have a Basilisk set up at one end and fire all across at a squad of Marines at the other. Back then, the Basilisk had the Barrage rule, meaning enemies wouldn't get cover bonuses from intervening terrain, only if they were physically in it.
The Marines' owner suddenly kicks off when I tell him he won't get any save against the shot, complaining that as there's a Valkyrie in the way (a good 3" from both the Marines and the Basilisk), he should get cover. I showed him the Barrage rule, at which point he gets rather livid and calls over the store manager, who seemed a bit irate at being pulled away from the till. He takes one look at the rule and agrees with me. The other player then starts complaining that as his Marine squad is gone, they won't be able to charge some other unit and get a few pence off his ticket, and was rather sour throughout the day.
The clinch? I was about 14 at the time, he had to be at least 50.
Additionally there was another incident a couple years back, the FLGS ran a small 12-player tournament. Nothing big, 3 games and a £10 buy-in. One of the players brought a typical FotM list; Knight Castellan with all the trimmings, 2x Guard Battalions for the extra CP and a couple of Russes. Needless to say he swept the tournament, but it was only the last game where I played him I found out why.
His strategy consisted of using Move Move Move to advance his Guardsmen onto objectives very early in the game. He would move, advance, then in the Shooting Phase, use MMM to just move and advance the same amount as before, which seemed a bit odd to me. His overall excuse consisted of the following
- Overly confusing references: "if we look at the Tyranid FAQ this gives us precedent to use this rule here, which the as shown by this Errata leads us to here..."
- Seemed to be using a language barrier as an excuse; His English was excellent, but did seem to falter when I was explaining a counterpoint.
- Another excuse was "Well I watch these guys (not sure who he was referring to) on YouTube. They do this tactic and they're some of the best in the UK so it must be legit", which to be honest means sod-all.
He won the tournament; while he got a points reduction for that match it couldn't counter the number he had achieved using the tactic in the previous games, but what struck me was how serious he was taking it; every game he treated like the LVO, measuring the opponent's moves to the mm, regularly calling the TO to check as well.
To be honest, I had a rather fun game so didn't think much of it afterwards. Wasn't until a week or so later I receive a random message from him on Facebook (we weren't even friends on there), claiming to have a number of additional sources to back up his claim, sending over a couple PDFs for me to read. I just ignored him, life's too short to be wrapped up in game arguments like that.
Before I knew what one was. Was playing my old Genestealer Cult army against Ultramarines, my opponent was a little amped up.
He was talking about how he could gun down my Genestealers before I could get into charge range, then he repeated the assertion, then he repeated it again. Then he started stammering, his face shriveled up like a prune and then he was on the floor shaking uncontrollably. Kicks over a table, knocks down a wall of blister packs, everything goes to hell.
We happened to be right down the street from a fire station, which happened to have an ambulance and EMT squad on site. They came into the store with a stretcher and cleared the area - pushing 4 gaming tables out of the way, people's miniatures were everywhere, they were stepping all over the merchandise just to get to the guy. Much pewter and plastic crack was destroyed that day.
Now, what was remarkable about the whole situation - people were still trying to buy stuff as this is all going on. There's a dude shaking on the floor, EMTs are telling people to leave the store, and a line forms at the cash register. The store manager was helping the EMTs but the kid at the register is still ringing people up. Along with that, there's guys squatting down to retrieve their miniatures, asking medics to hand them models.
Nothing too weird lately, as I more than often play with my club, instead of the hobby store. But, we have one local who just is a horrible person to play against. frequently is late for scheduled games, leaves the game early if he is loosing, argues constantly etc. Most folks have just chosen to not play games with him, as it's not worth the hassle.
My last game with him, was one part of the stores Vigilus: War of Beasts campaign. He showed up 40min late to the game, his excuse was he was busy arguing with someone on Facebook. He then endlessly complained while deploying that the narrative mission was unfair for his army, and other issues and such. I just said feth it, I don't have time for this, and packed up my army. Only time I've done that before/during a game.
Another situation was at the same store for a Shadeglass underworlds tournament. There was a glass trophy on the line, so I brought my A-Game. It was season 2, and I was playing Eyes of the Nine (in a score denial, passive game plan style). In the final game which decided the event winner, I played against an aggressive Iron Skulls player. His entire strategy, was to fun at me, and score points for engaging my fighters. But, my objective deck didn't rely on fighting at all, and all my power cards were about repositioning and shenanigans. Won best 2/3 and in the last game, I scored 12vps to his 0, mostly through just denying him from scoring anything and playing cagey. Also, through him not playing well at all.
At the end of the game, he stormed out yelling "I don't play like that, I play for fun" or something to that effect, and immediately left and didn't stay for the awards. The manager had a word with him the next time he was in for poor sportsmanship.
I had an opponent sit me down and read me through the Blood Angel codex to try to explain to me that there isn't a Blood Angel captain with a Jump Pack to insist that Blood Angel captains CANNOT have a Jump Pack. I wasn't even the one playing Blood Angels; my DW captain just happened to have a BA shoulder pad.
For me it was my first game not against one of my friends, where me and my buddy took our little 500pt collections to the local game shop to play a bigger game while our parents hung out downtown.
We wound up playing against this like 45 year old adult man who was hyper rules lawyery and extremely interested in making sure he won this game against two thirteen year old children fielding such highly competitive units as el classico "one of every heavy weapon long fang squad".
At one point, I was trying to charge his eldar with Ragnar and he grabbed the ruler, measured the distance and the roll and declared I was like 1/32 short of making the charge roll and just explained in this super loud shouty tone "You can only charge if you get to base. to base. CONTACT!"
Among our friends, that became kind of a rallying cry whenever someone declared a charge against anyone else. BASE. TO BASE. CONTACT. usually emphasising each period with a thump of the table.
Weird, sad adults who feel a need to emotionally validate themselves by winning a game against children will never fail to amuse me.
Automatically Appended Next Post: There was also a necromunda campaign where we encountered a man who was just immensely, VISCERALLY pleased that he had figured out a way to 'solve' the game.
We had like 6 interested people show up for the campaign, this guy being one of them. His 'gang' was two models, both space marine scouts with heavy bolters, running as Goliaths.
They were the gang leader and the gang heavy weapons guy, and the gang leader had a skill or somesuch where he could do his activation twice.
the way necromunda works by the rulebook is that pretty frequently one player can choose the mission, and sometimes the missions are rolled for randomly. This player calculated that he had something like a 45% chance to play a particular mission if he always chose to play that one when he got to pick, and the mission was like "destroy this container with this defensive statblock"
Any game he got to pick the mission (or that mission was randomly rolled) he would win in one turn by double activating and taking four heavy bolter shots at the thing in the center of the map, almost certainly destroying it.
Any game he didn't, he'd immediately concede and allow his opponent to win.
He accumulated enough victory points to "win the campaign" after about 4 hours of play, over which everyone but him played 2 games total (plus whatever games they 'played' against him) and he "played" 12 games.
He smugly declared himself the winner, packed up, and left.
To this day it was the weirdest display I have ever seen out of a tabletop gaming experience. It felt like one of those people who plays video games to just load into a particular map, jump at a corner of the map in just the right spot where you can clip through the wall and just sit there invulnerable and make the game last forever untilt he other players quit and you are declared the winner by default.
My weirdest wargaming experiences... Sure I've played some unpleasant people and cheaters, but I'd hardly call them weird. No, the times I think are weird are;
First ever game of 40k. Played against some old dude, who absolutely demolished my trash list, being a 16 year old with a limited collection. He was alright about it, I bought the excuse of "I didn't know you were that inexperienced, sorry." The weird part was that after his turns, he'd leave for a smoke break and tell me that I could take my movement phase while he was gone. That struck me as a little weird.
However, weirdest game was playing against Ultrasmurfs. Yes. THE Ultrasmurfs, while I was living on Kingston Ontario. One of the gents there has a lovingly converted army of Ultramarines, where the head of every model has been replaced with a smurf toy head. Couldn't help but laugh whenever I said "Eldar rangers; target Papa Smurf" Papa Smurf of course being Guilliman.
Had something like that happen at University. I ran the wargaming club and we had a few kids from the local secondary school show up. I was like "Yeah, let 'em play". They were alright, you know a bit socially awkward and whatever but just schoolkids.
One of them had a seizure like you describe, just sort of stammering mid sentence and then falling over. We caught him, and laid him out on the ground, and luckily he came round quickly, but it was the first time it had happened to the poor chap, he was really scared. Ended up having to contact his mam and so on. Made us reconsider having non-students there, because of insurance, unfortunately.
I've been lucky in general that I can't really remember much in the way of weird behaviour from other players though. I had one very bad game of 8e in a GW store that put me off the edition but I would say it wasn't much other than run of the mill unpleasantness. Most people I played against were pretty sound.
My utterly weirdest one I cannot really say, as it would probably doxx me, so I'll leave it at that and say they guy was kinda national news and even had a TV documentary on Channel 4 about him and his brother and what happened to them. This was also the first we had known about this when we saw it on TV too.
I've seen a lot over the years. The standout one at the store back home that I got into this hobby with was a guy called Steve. Steve was 2 years below me at school and wasn't particularly all there on most days (once, walking into our German A Level class during the Remembrance Day silence shouting "HELLO NICOLA!" (the German teacher) and her desperately trying to tell him to STFU). So Steve got into a cycle of getting banned from our local GW, but you see- our store was a training store for the area so had quite a high turnover of staff. So what Steve would do was wait until a new staffer was on duty, talk the talk then get invited to games night, do something to get banned, rinse and repeat.
So, with the context out the way, let's have some classics from Steve:
When playing his Eldar, he had some War Walkers behind some terrain and claimed they could see over it as he had tilted them upwards. He got a bit argumentative and the staffer told him to go outside and go behind the building across the street. If he could see over it, he could have LOS to my stuff. He then shut up. Some other things happen (can't exactly remember what, this was near 20 years ago...) and his WWs get destroyed. He then lobs them into his case, now Steve didn't have a case with foam in it, he just had a toolbox, they are the old metal WWs so they shatter into their component parts. In a future incident with these (after they had been stuck back together, this wasn't against me, mind...) Steve then attacked them with clippers, cutting their limbs off and chucking them in his case as he was in the process of getting kicked out.
Another incident was him getting into an argument over his Falcon's damage. His opponent had rolled a 1 on the damage table, this was circa 3rd ed so it was "Crew Shaken" aka "may not shoot" (the next result up was "may not move or shoot"). Steve was convinced with the conviction of Johnny Cochran that it was "may not move". He is playing a friend of mine and they eventually ask me as a 3rd party what it is. I show Steve the rulebook and still he persists. He bellows out at the top of his lungs "IT. MAY. NOT. MOVE!", at this point the staffer having his lunch in the back takes notice and pokes his head round and bans Steve (again).
He had the reputation for stretchy measuring as well. One such time was when a friend of mine was playing him and fired on his Avatar with a Meltagun (3rd ed, before you jump in with an "ackshuallllly...") and it is only just in range, like at the very limit of its range. Steve then in his turn moves the Avatar up to fight the squad. He has to roll difficult terrain for both the move and assault move. Both rolls in total came to 11", yet the Avatar was magically in range. Steve then gets into a mardy about how he has rolled EXACTLY 6 and EXACTLY 5, now there were a few spectators for this game, so you had enough witnesses to tell him he should not have been in range. He wasn't having it.
Then you had the incident when the Tau were first released. My friend Tom is playing against the shiny new Tau with his TS army (3.5 codex, so an uphill battle already) and has his Sorcerer Lord behind a small terrain piece, out of LOS and ready to charge the Tau next turn. Now, this was a bit of a busy store and Steve wanted to set up his game. I don't know how, but without anyone noticing, Steve "borrows" said terrain piece for his own game and Tom's Sorcerer Lord, now in LOS gets shot off the board. The Tau player must have also conveniently "forgot" there was a piece of scatter terrain there, cementing the reputation of all Tau players for years to come.
There's probably some more, but those are the ones I can remember for now.
Thadin wrote: However, weirdest game was playing against Ultrasmurfs. Yes. THE Ultrasmurfs, while I was living on Kingston Ontario. One of the gents there has a lovingly converted army of Ultramarines, where the head of every model has been replaced with a smurf toy head. Couldn't help but laugh whenever I said "Eldar rangers; target Papa Smurf" Papa Smurf of course being Guilliman.
That sounds weird. But also hilarious! Glad that not every story here is a bad one.
Grimtuff wrote: My utterly weirdest one I cannot really say, as it would probably doxx me, so I'll leave it at that and say they guy was kinda national news and even had a TV documentary on Channel 4 about him and his brother and what happened to them. This was also the first we had known about this when we saw it on TV too.
I've seen a lot over the years. The standout one at the store back home that I got into this hobby with was a guy called Steve. Steve was 2 years below me at school and wasn't particularly all there on most days (once, walking into our German A Level class during the Remembrance Day silence shouting "HELLO NICOLA!" (the German teacher) and her desperately trying to tell him to STFU). So Steve got into a cycle of getting banned from our local GW, but you see- our store was a training store for the area so had quite a high turnover of staff. So what Steve would do was wait until a new staffer was on duty, talk the talk then get invited to games night, do something to get banned, rinse and repeat.
So, with the context out the way, let's have some classics from Steve:
When playing his Eldar, he had some War Walkers behind some terrain and claimed they could see over it as he had tilted them upwards. He got a bit argumentative and the staffer told him to go outside and go behind the building across the street. If he could see over it, he could have LOS to my stuff. He then shut up. Some other things happen (can't exactly remember what, this was near 20 years ago...) and his WWs get destroyed. He then lobs them into his case, now Steve didn't have a case with foam in it, he just had a toolbox, they are the old metal WWs so they shatter into their component parts. In a future incident with these (after they had been stuck back together, this wasn't against me, mind...) Steve then attacked them with clippers, cutting their limbs off and chucking them in his case as he was in the process of getting kicked out.
Another incident was him getting into an argument over his Falcon's damage. His opponent had rolled a 1 on the damage table, this was circa 3rd ed so it was "Crew Shaken" aka "may not shoot" (the next result up was "may not move or shoot"). Steve was convinced with the conviction of Johnny Cochran that it was "may not move". He is playing a friend of mine and they eventually ask me as a 3rd party what it is. I show Steve the rulebook and still he persists. He bellows out at the top of his lungs "IT. MAY. NOT. MOVE!", at this point the staffer having his lunch in the back takes notice and pokes his head round and bans Steve (again).
He had the reputation for stretchy measuring as well. One such time was when a friend of mine was playing him and fired on his Avatar with a Meltagun (3rd ed, before you jump in with an "ackshuallllly...") and it is only just in range, like at the very limit of its range. Steve then in his turn moves the Avatar up to fight the squad. He has to roll difficult terrain for both the move and assault move. Both rolls in total came to 11", yet the Avatar was magically in range. Steve then gets into a mardy about how he has rolled EXACTLY 6 and EXACTLY 5, now there were a few spectators for this game, so you had enough witnesses to tell him he should not have been in range. He wasn't having it.
Then you had the incident when the Tau were first released. My friend Tom is playing against the shiny new Tau with his TS army (3.5 codex, so an uphill battle already) and has his Sorcerer Lord behind a small terrain piece, out of LOS and ready to charge the Tau next turn. Now, this was a bit of a busy store and Steve wanted to set up his game. I don't know how, but without anyone noticing, Steve "borrows" said terrain piece for his own game and Tom's Sorcerer Lord, now in LOS gets shot off the board. The Tau player must have also conveniently "forgot" there was a piece of scatter terrain there, cementing the reputation of all Tau players for years to come.
There's probably some more, but those are the ones I can remember for now.
This wasn't at a store or even Warhammer, but I've just been reminded of it and it's at least model related, definitely counts as weird.
Before I played 40k, I made model aircraft. One day I was showing off my collection for a Scout badge, then left the models on the side as we went to play games.
We then find out one of the planes is missing (Richthofen's red triplane), it turns up broken and in the toilet.
The Leader calls everyone up and asks who knows what happened to my plane. This kid comes forward and admits "yeah I flushed it, don't know why", as it it's just a normal thing you do.
He was very autistic and even at the time I wasn't bothered, the absurdity of the situation washed all of that away.
I then met the kid (now an adult) again a few years later at another gaming club. Neither him nor his parents seemed to remember me at all, and we had fun playing Betrayal At Calth together.
Nothing got flushed this time!
Grimtuff wrote: My utterly weirdest one I cannot really say, as it would probably doxx me, so I'll leave it at that and say they guy was kinda national news and even had a TV documentary on Channel 4 about him and his brother and what happened to them. This was also the first we had known about this when we saw it on TV too.
Grimtuff wrote: My utterly weirdest one I cannot really say, as it would probably doxx me, so I'll leave it at that and say they guy was kinda national news and even had a TV documentary on Channel 4 about him and his brother and what happened to them. This was also the first we had known about this when we saw it on TV too.
You can’t leave it like that!
Was he like a serial killer or something ? I agree you can’t leave us like that, the people have a right to know !
Only weird thing I ever saw, was a woman with two children walking in, screaming and cursing at an adult man. And making him leave without his army, and then the store owner packing the army up for him.
Never saw the person ever again in the store, and it was like year 2 of 8th ed.
Grimtuff wrote: So Steve got into a cycle of getting banned from our local GW, but you see- our store was a training store for the area so had quite a high turnover of staff. So what Steve would do was wait until a new staffer was on duty, talk the talk then get invited to games night, do something to get banned, rinse and repeat.
I swear I watched a YT video yesterday about GW horror stories and this Steve guy was mentioned.
I guess my weirdest gaming experience ended with someone being arrested for trying to have me and a friend of mine killed.
Background: I had a friend a long while back who had an older sister that had been molested by someone, and later molested by a therapist her parents had taken her to.
The parents were very well off, dad was in aerospace, mom was a cardiac surgeon, they pulled in a combined income well over a quarter million a year and had stocks.
Well, my friend's sister became a hot mess that routinely set of Giger counters and he became a gamer. She started hanging with the badest boys possible and became a real alley cat.
She had something against her younger brother for no valid reason and the punk boys she brought home usually threw some verbal abuse at him.
One night i was at his place getting ready for a game (It was a star trek ship game) and her latest punk threw some abuse at her brother and me. I threw it back and he decided to kick my nerd ass for talking gak to him.
My friend and i both tore into him and he got the worst of it, by a long shot. He was drunk or stoned and it didn't improve his coordination.
While he was down we both maybe hit him in the face a few more times than needed and kicked him in the groin and other areas. My friend had had enough of her boyfriends abuse.
Well, about 6 weeks go by and a cop shows up on my door and tells me he has to inform me the police have evidence of a credible threat to my life. I go to the station and it turns out my friend's sister and her boyfriend were planning to kill my friend and me. The punk wanted revenge for having 'two nerds' bust him up a little (We both pounded his face a couple times while his head was on the floor and really busted his nose bloody.)
She figured with him dead she'd get all her parents money when they kicked eventually.
The guy they were trying to buy the gun from had a younger brother facing a drug rap and prison time, and he contacted the DA when he was asked to get this punk a gun in order to get his younger brother a lighter sentence.
The punk got 35 years, part due to his record. My friend's sister got 5 after testifying against him.
So yeah, I went to a tabletop star trek wargame at a guys house one night and ended up with someone trying to have me murdered. Weird.
Matt Swain wrote: I guess my weirdest gaming experience ended with someone being arrested for trying to have me and a friend of mine killed.
Spoiler:
Background: I had a friend a long while back who had an older sister that had been molested by someone, and later molested by a therapist her parents had taken her to.
The parents were very well off, dad was in aerospace, mom was a cardiac surgeon, they pulled in a combined income well over a quarter million a year and had stocks.
Well, my friend's sister became a hot mess that routinely set of Giger counters and he became a gamer. She started hanging with the badest boys possible and became a real alley cat.
She had something against her younger brother for no valid reason and the punk boys she brought home usually threw some verbal abuse at him.
One night i was at his place getting ready for a game (It was a star trek ship game) and her latest punk threw some abuse at her brother and me. I threw it back and he decided to kick my nerd ass for talking gak to him.
My friend and i both tore into him and he got the worst of it, by a long shot. He was drunk or stoned and it didn't improve his coordination.
While he was down we both maybe hit him in the face a few more times than needed and kicked him in the groin and other areas. My friend had had enough of her boyfriends abuse.
Well, about 6 weeks go by and a cop shows up on my door and tells me he has to inform me the police have evidence of a credible threat to my life. I go to the station and it turns out my friend's sister and her boyfriend were planning to kill my friend and me. The punk wanted revenge for having 'two nerds' bust him up a little (We both pounded his face a couple times while his head was on the floor and really busted his nose bloody.)
She figured with him dead she'd get all her parents money when they kicked eventually.
The guy they were trying to buy the gun from had a younger brother facing a drug rap and prison time, and he contacted the DA when he was asked to get this punk a gun in order to get his younger brother a lighter sentence.
The punk got 35 years, part due to his record. My friend's sister got 5 after testifying against him.
So yeah, I went to a tabletop star trek wargame at a guys house one night and ended up with someone trying to have me murdered. Weird.
Holy Gork & Mork have an exalt for the level of crazy involved
Many moons ago I brought my newly painted Salamander army to the first store I had been frequenting. Another regular showed up and noticed my new army. He said he had just recently finished an army as well and suggested we play a game. I agreed, then he proceeded to unpack his 2500 point "Space Marine bike army" which consisted of dozens of SM bike sized My Little Pony toys that he had glued bases, shoulder pads, and weaponry on. I was quite young at the time, and lacked the ability to politely decline. That was the day I was absolutely tabled by an army of ponies.
Very embarrassing day, as we had set the game table up on the sidewalk since it was nice out and the store was packed.
Oh yeah then there was the 500 pounder who would come into the store and flip open his laptop to sap some free wifi and look at furry porn. He also frequently wore a leather jacket with a big naked werewolf lady on the back. I noticed many customers catching a glimpse while checking out the gaming area and you would never see them again.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Many moons ago I brought my newly painted Salamander army to the first store I had been frequenting. Another regular showed up and noticed my new army. He said he had just recently finished an army as well and suggested we play a game. I agreed, then he proceeded to unpack his 2500 point "Space Marine bike army" which consisted of dozens of SM bike sized My Little Pony toys that he had glued bases, shoulder pads, and weaponry on. I was quite young at the time, and lacked the ability to politely decline. That was the day I was absolutely tabled by an army of ponies.
Very embarrassing day, as we had set the game table up on the sidewalk since it was nice out and the store was packed.
I used to play with a REALLY nice guy, but he was also a basketball player that would come to games night directly from basketball practice, still wearing his ball shorts. The guy also didn't wear underwear.
He was tall enough that the gaming table was just a couple inches lower than his crotch, and on a number of times he'd nock over models with his manhood. I had to bite my tongue on more than one occasion to keep from laughing.
Went to a Warmachine tournament once where a guy scooped and spent the whole time he was packing up verbally abusing me for being a WAAC-er because he didn't believe waterfalling combined attacks existed.
I used to play with a REALLY nice guy, but he was also a basketball player that would come to games night directly from basketball practice, still wearing his ball shorts. The guy also didn't wear underwear.
He was tall enough that the gaming table was just a couple inches lower than his crotch, and on a number of times he'd nock over models with his manhood. I had to bite my tongue on more than one occasion to keep from laughing.
Lemme guess, they played Slaanesshi Daemons w Noise Marine support.
Thadin wrote: My weirdest wargaming experiences... Sure I've played some unpleasant people and cheaters, but I'd hardly call them weird. No, the times I think are weird are;
First ever game of 40k. Played against some old dude, who absolutely demolished my trash list, being a 16 year old with a limited collection. He was alright about it, I bought the excuse of "I didn't know you were that inexperienced, sorry." The weird part was that after his turns, he'd leave for a smoke break and tell me that I could take my movement phase while he was gone. That struck me as a little weird.
However, weirdest game was playing against Ultrasmurfs. Yes. THE Ultrasmurfs, while I was living on Kingston Ontario. One of the gents there has a lovingly converted army of Ultramarines, where the head of every model has been replaced with a smurf toy head. Couldn't help but laugh whenever I said "Eldar rangers; target Papa Smurf" Papa Smurf of course being Guilliman.
The UltraSmurfs still make appearances as a ringer army at the tourneys at Nexus!
AnomanderRake wrote: Went to a Warmachine tournament once where a guy scooped and spent the whole time he was packing up verbally abusing me for being a WAAC-er because he didn't believe waterfalling combined attacks existed.
Not going to excuse the abuse, but the 'waterfall' CRA/CMA was terribly explained. I met quite a few people over the years that didn't understand it or believe the rules were meant to work that way.
Towards the end of Mark 2 there were quite a few absurd combos of abilities that people would try to demonstrate without really understanding (or being able to explain), and just referred to rules infernal posts while simply stating that things worked that way now.
One of the things that really turned me off on the game was a press ganger showing up and deciding he needed to convert the usual game nights into basically a boot camp for tournaments, showing off the most absurd exploits the rules allowed to get people 'in the right mindset.' Didn't help that he was deliberately poaching players for events at another store as well, trying to shift people from what was a local store for most of them to a place 30 miles down the road (which for me meant an hour+ travel time rather than 45 minute travel time each way), and undercutting sales of the LGS in favor of this other shop.
He also convinced people they needed to use the felt bits pushed by PP's Steamroller scenarios, rather than the actual terrain on hand in store, which infuriated me, because they look like gak and undercut part of the point of playing a miniatures game.
That was definitely one of the weirdest experiences, especially since I couldn't figure out why. He was from another town entirely, and neither store was local for him. 'Ours' was technically closer, but I guess he just liked the other more.
But the 'you've got to learn it right' attitude sucked a lot of the fun out.
AnomanderRake wrote: Went to a Warmachine tournament once where a guy scooped and spent the whole time he was packing up verbally abusing me for being a WAAC-er because he didn't believe waterfalling combined attacks existed.
Not going to excuse the abuse, but the 'waterfall' CRA/CMA was terribly explained. I met quite a few people over the years that didn't understand it or believe the rules were meant to work that way.
Towards the end of Mark 2 there were quite a few absurd combos of abilities that people would try to demonstrate without really understanding (or being able to explain), and just referred to rules infernal posts while simply stating that things worked that way now.
One of the things that really turned me off on the game was a press ganger showing up and deciding he needed to convert the usual game nights into basically a boot camp for tournaments, showing off the most absurd exploits the rules allowed to get people 'in the right mindset.' Didn't help that he was deliberately poaching players for events at another store as well, trying to shift people from what was a local store for most of them to a place 30 miles down the road (which for me meant an hour+ travel time rather than 45 minute travel time each way), and undercutting sales of the LGS in favor of this other shop.
He also convinced people they needed to use the felt bits pushed by PP's Steamroller scenarios, rather than the actual terrain on hand in store, which infuriated me, because they look like gak and undercut part of the point of playing a miniatures game.
That was definitely one of the weirdest experiences, especially since I couldn't figure out why. He was from another town entirely, and neither store was local for him. 'Ours' was technically closer, but I guess he just liked the other more.
But the 'you've got to learn it right' attitude sucked a lot of the fun out.
That Is really sad :( we try really hard to avoid things like that where I am, even if we do push players to think about the game we still want it to be fun and inviting. Good terrain is a must I think for these games as well :(
One of the weirdest return encounters I am still confused by, is how much hate my eldar get from players I have never met before that seems to be entirely connected to being a girl.
From people that have never seen my army before, and seem keen for me to join but make playing with them entirely unwelcome feeling.
AnomanderRake wrote: Went to a Warmachine tournament once where a guy scooped and spent the whole time he was packing up verbally abusing me for being a WAAC-er because he didn't believe waterfalling combined attacks existed.
Well at least you used some sort of rules combo.
Ages ago (3rd? 4th?) I found myself playing in a rather low key tourney at GenCon. If there were prizes I forget, but given the low entry fee it couldn't have been anything more than promo swag.
1st couple of games go ok. Nothing memorable, just some 40k.....
The 3rd game? I get paired with this Guard player. He had an ok infantry heavy army. (his heaviest unit was a trio of sentinels). So I'm expecting just another average game. Decent IG vs my pure 3rd Co. Dark Angels.
That's... not what I got.
The guy deploys his guard in a perfect I_ pattern block starting with a mortar battery in the back corner & then building consecutive rings of units outwards. Each ring blocking LoS to/from the ring behind it.
His outside ring? 3 sentinels on the l, & all of his other heavy weapons on the __ facing.
Um, ok?
I get 1st turn.
My DAs roll up to their own heavy weapons range, hop out of their razorbacks & rhinos, and then the Razorbacks + 1 dread proceed to turn his sentinel wall into a wall of burning LoS blocking wreckage.
My whirlwind drops a template on most of his heavy weapons + the units right behind them.
His tun is very short as his front ring units are either killed or pinned. And now they're blocking everything else in.
My Angels take some ineffective mortar fire.
He reveals an assassin & goes after my HQ guy & command squad (wich I had sent off towards the objective).
Turn two....
I don't have to move anywhere for the bulk of my army.
I send my jump squad over to help rake care of the assassin.
I put a whirlwind template dead center of his block (seriously, only on the worst possible scatter could I even miss - I did not get the worst result). It was like shooting fish in a barrel....
And every thing that had more than a 24" range? Peeled the massively pinned IG block like an onion.
His turn was even quicker than the 1st.
He didn't even try & move anything that had unpinned.
3rd turn?
Repeat the shooting sequence.
And I sent in the jump squad to mop up the survivors in melee.
He had no 3rd turn.
He got quite huffy & accused me of poor sportsmanship for shooting his army.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Many moons ago I brought my newly painted Salamander army to the first store I had been frequenting. Another regular showed up and noticed my new army. He said he had just recently finished an army as well and suggested we play a game. I agreed, then he proceeded to unpack his 2500 point "Space Marine bike army" which consisted of dozens of SM bike sized My Little Pony toys that he had glued bases, shoulder pads, and weaponry on. I was quite young at the time, and lacked the ability to politely decline. That was the day I was absolutely tabled by an army of ponies.
Very embarrassing day, as we had set the game table up on the sidewalk since it was nice out and the store was packed.
The first was against a guy, don't remember his name as we used nick names, lets call him Wishy-washy. We called him that because he always said his models were wishy-washy no matter how many times we explained it was WYSIWYG, not wishy-washy.
So Wishy demands I play a game vs him, 5th ed I have my guard he has Orks. Takes me awhile to deploy my 2000 pt mostly foot guard. He takes a long time with his orks, takes the slowest game turn known to man, had 0 long range weapons at all. Fires a big shoota at chimera, fails to do anything as his only first turn shooting.
Then I get ready to take my first turn, and he promptly quits, saying that was his best shot and he can't possibly win now. I never fired a shot.
Another tale with him, was an apoc game I was running. I'm helping the players do some large and confusing CC mess, and all of the sudden the whole table shakes and rattles. I look over and its wishy-washy, he'd slapped his hands on the table. I asked " What's up ? " He said " Nothing " then got up to use the bathroom so I talked to the player sitting next to him ( Justin ) who looked shocked. Justin informed me he had been just sitting there then all of a sudden wishy slammed onto the table and looked to Justin and said " I tripped over my own two feet. " To which Justin said " But, you are sitting down. " Wishy then responded " Yeah "....
I'll drop a third one, of watching a game be played. The guy I knew was Dave and the other player, I never got his name he didn't talk much. He had a beautiful Guard army, even the old metal ogryns and rough riders all painted, based and great.
In any case Dave was playing Marines and this guy played Guard and the player looked like your average dweeb. Dave asked me to see if I could find out what was up, as he'd been in his turn for over an hour just talking to himself and rolling dice and pointing around on the table. Then, all of a sudden the dweeb guy just stopped playing, and began putting all his models away. No explanation, nothing.
I asked if all was ok he said " Yeah " So I figured he didn't know what to do with the game or had been an edition behind and explained we had copies of the rules if he needed them, he pulled out a leather bound collectors copy of the rules, one of those like 100$ 200$ ones, not sure how much it was at the time. He packed it all up, said nothing else and went outside and just stood on the curb waiting for something. Till a couple hours went by and he got picked up and left, never saw him again.
To this day I still don't know what the deal was with that game, I just know we have some real odd folk who play this game.
The first was against a guy, don't remember his name as we used nick names, lets call him Wishy-washy. We called him that because he always said his models were wishy-washy no matter how many times we explained it was WYSIWYG, not wishy-washy.
So Wishy demands I play a game vs him, 5th ed I have my guard he has Orks. Takes me awhile to deploy my 2000 pt mostly foot guard. He takes a long time with his orks, takes the slowest game turn known to man, had 0 long range weapons at all. Fires a big shoota at chimera, fails to do anything as his only first turn shooting.
Then I get ready to take my first turn, and he promptly quits, saying that was his best shot and he can't possibly win now. I never fired a shot.
Another tale with him, was an apoc game I was running. I'm helping the players do some large and confusing CC mess, and all of the sudden the whole table shakes and rattles. I look over and its wishy-washy, he'd slapped his hands on the table. I asked " What's up ? " He said " Nothing " then got up to use the bathroom so I talked to the player sitting next to him ( Justin ) who looked shocked. Justin informed me he had been just sitting there then all of a sudden wishy slammed onto the table and looked to Justin and said " I tripped over my own two feet. " To which Justin said " But, you are sitting down. " Wishy then responded " Yeah "....
I'll drop a third one, of watching a game be played. The guy I knew was Dave and the other player, I never got his name he didn't talk much. He had a beautiful Guard army, even the old metal ogryns and rough riders all painted, based and great.
In any case Dave was playing Marines and this guy played Guard and the player looked like your average dweeb. Dave asked me to see if I could find out what was up, as he'd been in his turn for over an hour just talking to himself and rolling dice and pointing around on the table. Then, all of a sudden the dweeb guy just stopped playing, and began putting all his models away. No explanation, nothing.
I asked if all was ok he said " Yeah " So I figured he didn't know what to do with the game or had been an edition behind and explained we had copies of the rules if he needed them, he pulled out a leather bound collectors copy of the rules, one of those like 100$ 200$ ones, not sure how much it was at the time. He packed it all up, said nothing else and went outside and just stood on the curb waiting for something. Till a couple hours went by and he got picked up and left, never saw him again.
To this day I still don't know what the deal was with that game, I just know we have some real odd folk who play this game.
Without proposing and making too many assumptions, but reading many a story like this in multiple different situations.... There are many many many people who struggle with social interactions for one reason or another, some maybe because of lack of social interactions as a child, some because they may be on some form of spectrum etc... I also think games like this can draw such people to it, there's plenty of things they love about it, but then they may get too caught up in stats and mathhammer also and lack the social skills and etiquette to be polite and finish a game. Significantly different to a WAAC/sore loser.
Best way to deal with being bad at social interactions is to not engage in them. If you are wierd in person, don't talk to the other player, unless asked about something, don't try to talk jokes, because most of the time they will not be funny to others and practicaly every time get you in to trouble. And don't start debates about lore, history, politics in w40k or real world.
After trail and error, I found out that the okey topics to mention are. Weather, because it is always bad. Traffic, because it is always bad. And cost of getting to the store, because gas and bus tickets get more and more expensive.
Every other thing, and especially some sort of history of my life thing, will only get people in to trouble. So if someone wants to play on a regular basis, and not be kicked out, the keeping your mouth shut is a good way to act.
And to be honest, considering the quality of most talks at stores, people aren't missing much not participating in them.
Karol wrote: Best way to deal with being bad at social interactions is to not engage in them. If you are wierd in person, don't talk to the other player, unless asked about something, don't try to talk jokes, because most of the time they will not be funny to others and practicaly every time get you in to trouble. And don't start debates about lore, history, politics in w40k or real world.
After trail and error, I found out that the okey topics to mention are. Weather, because it is always bad. Traffic, because it is always bad. And cost of getting to the store, because gas and bus tickets get more and more expensive.
Every other thing, and especially some sort of history of my life thing, will only get people in to trouble. So if someone wants to play on a regular basis, and not be kicked out, the keeping your mouth shut is a good way to act.
And to be honest, considering the quality of most talks at stores, people aren't missing much not participating in them.
What? That's terrible advice. You don't have to tell anybody you life story, but to improve at social interactions, you have to engage in social interactions.
Karol wrote: Best way to deal with being bad at social interactions is to not engage in them. If you are wierd in person, don't talk to the other player, unless asked about something, don't try to talk jokes, because most of the time they will not be funny to others and practicaly every time get you in to trouble. And don't start debates about lore, history, politics in w40k or real world.
After trail and error, I found out that the okey topics to mention are. Weather, because it is always bad. Traffic, because it is always bad. And cost of getting to the store, because gas and bus tickets get more and more expensive.
Every other thing, and especially some sort of history of my life thing, will only get people in to trouble. So if someone wants to play on a regular basis, and not be kicked out, the keeping your mouth shut is a good way to act.
And to be honest, considering the quality of most talks at stores, people aren't missing much not participating in them.
What? That's terrible advice. You don't have to tell anybody you life story, but to improve at social interactions, you have to engage in social interactions.
It's also discounting the level of understanding/ability to understand social interactions as well i.e. my comment about people being on the spectrum above. Even in such a situation, social interactions should be encouraged and whilst they may never get to a level where they are truly competent at understanding social interactions, they can improve/develop coping strategies for such situations that doesn't exclude themselves or others. The suggestion above is just a really really sad idea that will lead to more problems, including potential health problems.
I would say this partially depends on finding a peer group that are tolerant and accepting. Not everyone is tolerant of difference and it can be pretty bruising to be exposed to that.
Da Boss wrote: I would say this partially depends on finding a peer group that are tolerant and accepting. Not everyone is tolerant of difference and it can be pretty bruising to be exposed to that.
Valid point, it's a shame, it's really not that much effort to educate yourself and be empathetic/understanding of certain peoples needs. It's fairly second nature after a while.
From my past experiences as a GW Till Monkey, you do indeed get odd’uns in the hobby.
And sure, some kids can be a right pain in the neck.
The thing to remember? These kids are just as Nerdy as us. They’re quite likely the victim of bullying at school. The hobby (regardless of game or company) is the same haven for them as it is for us. It’s entirely possible it’s an important link in their own chain of sanity. A literal safe space where they can just enjoy what they enjoy, with nobody giving them a hard time.
Important thing? They are not lost causes. Whilst no staff member should be parenting them, you can still be a mentor of sorts. Just set your own boundaries. Push back when they push those boundaries. And clamp down hard on any in-store bullying of any stripe.
The same goes for any gaming group and members of any age. We Are Adults. We should act like it.
Trust me, it’s a genuinely excellent feeling when you see someone grow and develop their social skills.
Karol wrote: Best way to deal with being bad at social interactions is to not engage in them. If you are wierd in person, don't talk to the other player, unless asked about something, don't try to talk jokes, because most of the time they will not be funny to others and practicaly every time get you in to trouble. And don't start debates about lore, history, politics in w40k or real world.
After trail and error, I found out that the okey topics to mention are. Weather, because it is always bad. Traffic, because it is always bad. And cost of getting to the store, because gas and bus tickets get more and more expensive.
Every other thing, and especially some sort of history of my life thing, will only get people in to trouble. So if someone wants to play on a regular basis, and not be kicked out, the keeping your mouth shut is a good way to act.
And to be honest, considering the quality of most talks at stores, people aren't missing much not participating in them.
Karol man, some of your posts fill me with sadness. You may be bad at social interactions, but you honestly seem (to me anyway) like a nice person, so let me say this: hang in there bro ! Things will get better.
I kind of agree with you about not "too" saying much, it is good advice in many situations actually, though indeed as it was said, one does need to stick a neck out there sometimes to improve social skills. It may be more about self confidence than getting better through trial and error though
I had a regular and highly competitive opponent who got increasingly stressed about tournament games with me due to the dice gods taking a personal interest in our games*.
Eventually we got to playing in a doubles tournament that had gathered enough local players to rent a hall and get prizes together. The guy had some unstoppable early 6e cron flyer shenanigans going on and was walking into the tournament win. On cue the dice gods descended for our game on the first turn with a statistically improbable string of 1s and 6s and he just put down his models and wandered out of the building into the rain holding his head and muttering to himself.
Never turned up to one of our events again, though I did see him a few years later with another (younger) group using his patented 'move the ruler with the model' technique, well on his way to earning Nuffles wrath a second time.
(* seriously, one time he lost a bloodbowl tournament to me after 3-4 successive riots - at a 5% chance of each plus high rolls on the subsequent D6s for duration and clock off - and I wouldn't consider that the worst of them.)
What? That's terrible advice. You don't have to tell anybody you life story, but to improve at social interactions, you have to engage in social interactions.
Yes and if you are bad at them, and I am a clinical example of it, the best way to engage in social interaction is to limit it to bare minimum. The less they do stuff, there fewer points there are for you to mess up and end up with a life long store ban. And while I imagine this isn't a problem in places where people play at homes, in places and for people that can only play in stores, a life ban like that is saying good bye to the hobby. It really isn't worth trying to make jokes or talk stuff, to risk that. It is like school or work.
Even in such a situation, social interactions should be encouraged and whilst they may never get to a level where they are truly competent at understanding social interactions, they can improve/develop coping strategies for such situations that doesn't exclude themselves or others.
That is a very high risk low reward kind of a life style and you generaly learn stuff, when it is too late. You the stuff like you made a joke and got kicked out of school, the exact same joke was told to the same teacher two weeks before. And you learn that yes, the local fire depertaments granddaughter is allowed to say things you can not say. Or you are asked to pick and talk about politician , from 100years ago, who you think was the main founding father of your country. Only to find out after 6 years, that your teachers who started bullying you just right after that history lesson, is a follower of a different political camp. But of course you being new to the school didn't knew that, and your parents weren't important enough localy to somehow make you immune to stuff like that. And even small stuff like talking bad about the store owner, other dudes can say stuff to his face, that would get you kicked out of store for ever. And you only know that, because you saw other people kicked out of the store. etc
Social interactions are good, when you are either good at them or you have, what we call, big shoulders. It is much easier to be talking crazy stuff, if your older brother or younger uncle happens to be at the same school too. It is like you are litterally treated as a different person then others.
Or when you are the person who the trainer plans to sell to a professional team, the stuff you can do to others and everyone just ignores it is baffling to someone who doesn't get interactions at first. The safest thing to do is do what you are told, not step out of the line and if you want to talk, then talk to people in your head or family. It is more then enough, and safe too, as long you don't do it in public. Because learning that talking to yourself is not okey, is harsh lesson to learn.
The guy had some unstoppable early 6e cron flyer shenanigans going on and was walking into the tournament win. On cue the dice gods descended for our game on the first turn with a statistically improbable string of 1s and 6s and he just put down his models and wandered out of the building into the rain holding his head and muttering to himself
I actually do that too, who knew others act the same. Although getting angry after one event, unless it was like something big, with money involved is probably not the healthiest of things to do. On the other side though, unless it is reading downloaded books, what isn't related to money if one does w40k?
My local GW has had some interesting situations from time to time.
Once had this 40ish-year-old man grab my (14 at the time) Necron codex out my hands to prove I'd not paid the right points in a friendly kill team game he wasn't a part of.
A late-night AoS tourney (the fun kind where everyone bribes opponents with snacks) we had a kid who the day before had cheated in every game he played on the casual AoS day. He was told not to cheat at the tourney, which led to him losing some of his games. In the last game, he did really badly, lost his temper, and threw his dice at the wall. He never came back after that.
The best thing to ever happen was during the Edinburgh Fringe where a guy in full Halo Spartan gear came in and let everyone take pictures with him. For a bunch of halo obsessed 14-year-olds it was pretty great.
One of the "old guard" at the FLGS could really project his inner jerk if you figured out a combo he wasn't expecting.
In 4th edition we were having a mega-battle (pre Apocalypse). The two sides agreed to have the battle be Chaos vs Imperial. We also agreed that there would only be one of any given special character on the field of any given type. (so no doubling up on Abaddon). In order to use a special character you needed to "register" it with the organizers, one of which was the gentleman in question.
I was playing Imperial Guard, and I had just painted up Cypher, and since his rules (White Dwarf at the time) allowed him to be either Imperial or Chaos, I needed to make sure no one on the Chaos side was taking him. No one else was, so permission was expressly given.
During the battle I deployed a unit of Chaos Marines (Cypher allowed this) to hold an objective. During the game he forgets they are not on his side and ignores them. He then calls foul when I use them to shoot his nearby squad. I get called a rules lawyer for taking Chaos Marines in my Imperial Guard.
He also had issues with the fact that I had several identically armed IG squads. If a unit got wiped off the board, instead of putting them away and then getting out an identical unit from my case when deploying a new unit I'd simply reuse the same models. Somehow this was "cheating".
In another game he accused me of cheating when my Ork Nob killed his librarian with a power claw. He demanded to know "how did that Nob suddenly become a Warboss!?"
I was confused so I asked him to clarify.
"Nobs don't have 6 attacks!!!" ,was his demand.
I had to walk him through it. Orks have 2 attacks standard, 3 for a Nob. +1 attack for charging. +1 attack for two close combat weapons. +1 for Bionics. 6 attacks total.
"Yeah, but is it WYSIWYG with those bionics!?", he asked.
"yes", I replied. He then sulked for the rest of the game.
AnomanderRake wrote: Went to a Warmachine tournament once where a guy scooped and spent the whole time he was packing up verbally abusing me for being a WAAC-er because he didn't believe waterfalling combined attacks existed.
Not going to excuse the abuse, but the 'waterfall' CRA/CMA was terribly explained. I met quite a few people over the years that didn't understand it or believe the rules were meant to work that way...
Oh, sure, but the punchline to the story is that the thing that really set him off was me saying "All right, you win, I don't think I actually need it in this situation."
For me it was the game where my opponent was wearing a Star of Rhodesia badge on his jean jacket, and he was a very abrasive player. Keep in mind this was a local store, with a GW emblem on it and one of there local reps. I kindly asked the owner about him, and was told there was no problem, as politics are left at the door. That was always weird to me, like, why are you so afraid to make an issue when you see something wrong?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: For me it was the game where my opponent was wearing a Star of Rhodesia badge on his jean jacket, and he was a very abrasive player. Keep in mind this was a local store, with a GW emblem on it and one of there local reps. I kindly asked the owner about him, and was told there was no problem, as politics are left at the door. That was always weird to me, like, why are you so afraid to make an issue when you see something wrong?
What’s the significance of the Star of Rhodesia? I googled and I only got stuff relating to Sherlock Holmes.
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: For me it was the game where my opponent was wearing a Star of Rhodesia badge on his jean jacket, and he was a very abrasive player. Keep in mind this was a local store, with a GW emblem on it and one of there local reps. I kindly asked the owner about him, and was told there was no problem, as politics are left at the door. That was always weird to me, like, why are you so afraid to make an issue when you see something wrong?
What’s the significance of the Star of Rhodesia? I googled and I only got stuff relating to Sherlock Holmes.
Guessing he means the present day flag of Zimbabwe and something something Robert Mugabe...
IIRC: in the US, some White Supremacist types wear outdated Rhodesian flags as a sort of stealth swastika because of Rhodesia's old apartheid policies.
KidCthulhu wrote: IIRC: in the US, some White Supremacist types wear outdated Rhodesian flags as a sort of stealth swastika because of Rhodesia's old apartheid policies.
Thanks for clearing that up. I figured it was going to be a fash thing.
I was playing in a 40k tourney, back in 2018. We were 8 fellas in total and the tourney was part of a larger RPG-esque convention, with many nerdy stuff and stores in there.
It was the second round and, at my left, there was a Deathwatch x Tyranids game going on. Everything is great and dandy until we hear a shout from there:
"IT IS NOT STATISTICAL!"
We all checked what happened. Not only us, but at least half of the event crowd also looked at that Deathwatch x Tyranids table. The Deathwatch player was the culprit, pretty mad at himself for his terrible rolls during his entire 2nd or 3rd turn (a specific roll for lascannons triggered him).
We moved there to calm him down; after some minutes, he was ok again and we continued playing. His shout became a meme among our player group and we use it basically every time a bad roll on a crucial moment happens (especially if we've been rolling great beforehand).
KidCthulhu wrote: IIRC: in the US, some White Supremacist types wear outdated Rhodesian flags as a sort of stealth swastika because of Rhodesia's old apartheid policies.
In my town the rhodesian fighters are lauded as heroes, because they were fighting communists after the british goverment layed them off, and they couldn't return to Poland, because it came with a risk of prison or death.
We even had a school event dedicted to them, at my middle school. Specially Marian Starak whose family was from our town. His family escaped the USSR through Persia and then India. Settled in the end of 50s in Rhodesia as farmers. His entire family, including both his sisters , were brutaly murdered on their farm near Umtala. School has exposition about him, his father and history of the entire family. Our school director was the grand grand daughter of his grand grand mothers sister.
A post earlier in the thread mentioned a Rhodesian flag as something bad/shocking, people weren't sure why, I threw in my two cents about a small group of American racists, and we got some interesting history lessons.
Back on topic: in third edition 40K, I played Dark Eldar and being a fluffy player, I named all my character models, down to the last succubus and sybarite. There was a player obsessed with trying to kill my one sybarite named Malachite. At one point, he would do things like send three zoanthropes and both his hive tyrants to kill a single a squad of warriors with a sybarite. But he never could. His dice would go south and I'd just dig in and shoot. He'd literally ignore my entire army because he had to kill Malachite. But he never succeeded, not in a dozen games! Oh and the dude was a cheat with movement and guess weapons (he'd use his arm as a ruler). He was also a very sore loser.
When DE got a reboot, Lucky Malachite became my archon
I really couldnt care less about rhodesia or what ever i dont even know what it is. It could be the name of a sex club or a slave owning business i wouldnt know.
Not exactly weird, but our club event days usually have something random happening:
Big Thing Event - A player brought a list with two models (Khorne Lord of Skulls & Magnus the Red IIRC) yet still managed to get the points wrong...
30k Event (I think it was) - Someone submitted a Word Bearers summoning list, but on the day forgot to bring the daemons...
Beardedragon wrote: I really couldnt care less about rhodesia or what ever i dont even know what it is. It could be the name of a sex club or a slave owning business i wouldnt know.
Your ignorance is on you.
Now, for better/worse you're a bit less ignorant.
Not really. Fezzik noted the guys patch as striking him as odd, others needed an explanation as to why (& got it along with some other random info). Fezzik sees strange, but evidently there's some town in Poland where this isn't the case....
At least it didn't devolve into the evils of GW selling us more Marines.
And now back to the topic on hand....
My late friend Dan (R.I.P.) was a good one for the occasional very weird experience.
Dan was, in general, a very good player. But Dan always had to win. Wich led to;
A) very short games if he did poorly right out of the gate. Or if he thought he had. This could be getting the hell blown out of his forces turn 1, just rolling poorly on his own hits/wounds & not blowing his opponents army to hell, or if he was playing a gimmick list & his gimmick was predicted & thwarted. Plenty of games ended after just one turn.
B) Random acts of cheating. Becoming more likely & more audacious the later in the game & the closer the outcome was looking.
A great example of this was the time he wanted to charge a squad of my DA with his Wolf Guard. There was one slight catch. I had a fully functional rhino in-between his WG & their intended victims. There was no way he could get around the rhino & into contact.
This did not deter Dan. In his charge phase he simply picked up my rhino, set it aside, and charged my squad.
This effectively ended the game as I refused to be cheated in this fashion & Dan refused to continue the actions in game-legal ways.
It was not a victory for Dan. In fact, as HE refused to continue the game it was a loss for him via concession.
I'm amused what someone woody ever expect to happen if they just moved a model they found inconvenient.
I can understand cheating in general (cheating is bad mmkay) by that's never going to be allowed.
I once played a guy from my area whom I haven't met before. So we set our points level and stuff online, before meeting to play.
We shared our lists, so you could get some insight in what the other player is going to field.
On gameday, he came with a completely different, taylored list and completely devastated me (or better, my army). Didn't help, that he refused to use a decent amount of terrain.
I haven't played 40k for a while (like two editions) before that game and afterwards I recognised he also changed the rules to his benefit ...
I put my 40k stuff aside for another while and got back into the game when 8th ed started.
To this day, he keeps on bragging how he defeated me and won't admit, that he cheated his way to victory.
Weird thing is, I can't understand, how you get any satisfaction or fun out of such behavior.
I once played a guy from my area whom I haven't met before. So we set our points level and stuff online, before meeting to play.
We shared our lists, so you could get some insight in what the other player is going to field.
On gameday, he came with a completely different, taylored list and completely devastated me (or better, my army). Didn't help, that he refused to use a decent amount of terrain.
I haven't played 40k for a while (like two editions) before that game and afterwards I recognised he also changed the rules to his benefit ...
I put my 40k stuff aside for another while and got back into the game when 8th ed started.
To this day, he keeps on bragging how he defeated me and won't admit, that he cheated his way to victory.
Weird thing is, I can't understand, how you get any satisfaction or fun out of such behavior.
i dont know why people do what they do, but he sounds like a terrible person. But why did you decide to accept the battle if you saw his army was different when he showed up? Why not say: hey i can see you have a different army than what you showed me, so this battle is off.
Well i guess i probably would take the battle too, i mean one has showed up, so one would just go home empty handed i guess.
I once played a guy from my area whom I haven't met before. So we set our points level and stuff online, before meeting to play.
We shared our lists, so you could get some insight in what the other player is going to field.
On gameday, he came with a completely different, taylored list and completely devastated me (or better, my army). Didn't help, that he refused to use a decent amount of terrain.
I haven't played 40k for a while (like two editions) before that game and afterwards I recognised he also changed the rules to his benefit ...
I put my 40k stuff aside for another while and got back into the game when 8th ed started.
To this day, he keeps on bragging how he defeated me and won't admit, that he cheated his way to victory.
Weird thing is, I can't understand, how you get any satisfaction or fun out of such behavior.
i dont know why people do what they do, but he sounds like a terrible person. But why did you decide to accept the battle if you saw his army was different when he showed up? Why not say: hey i can see you have a different army than what you showed me, so this battle is off.
Well i guess i probably would take the battle too, i mean one has showed up, so one would just go home empty handed i guess.
There's no good answer to that question.
Hadn't got a game in a lonhg time, so I took the chance playing someone from my area.
Haven't played the guy again and now, being older and more selfconfident, I would complain openly about his behaviour and decline to play him.
Nibbler wrote: I once played a guy from my area whom I haven't met before. So we set our points level and stuff online, before meeting to play.
We shared our lists, so you could get some insight in what the other player is going to field.
On gameday, he came with a completely different, taylored list and completely devastated me (or better, my army). Didn't help, that he refused to use a decent amount of terrain.
I haven't played 40k for a while (like two editions) before that game and afterwards I recognised he also changed the rules to his benefit ...
I put my 40k stuff aside for another while and got back into the game when 8th ed started.
To this day, he keeps on bragging how he defeated me and won't admit, that he cheated his way to victory.
Weird thing is, I can't understand, how you get any satisfaction or fun out of such behavior.
What a jerk. I know that, in some places, list tailoring is viewed as okay, but to THAT extent? That's ridiculous.
I rarely play with other people i dont know (ofc my first battle with them i dont know them, but my enemies i play tend to be part of a larger group ive gotten in to), as the place i play at is a boardgame cafe where i know the owner (who also plays warhammer 40k). We're a group of a couple of people so luckily, none of us are among the weirder types of people showing up at this hobby. I actually play 2 places, i just havent been to the other place all that much due to covid rules etc, but i would call over facebook in the facebook group for an opponent, and luckily till this date, i havent been matched with anyone but completely down to earth people. We only list tailor very rarely against one another, and its agreed upon before hand. Because we have one guy who does do tournements and he regularily trashes us with his armies, so he lets us tailor build towards him sometimes. Hes a good guy, and helped teach me a thing or two when i started (ive only been at this hobby for like 8 months).
I thank the emperor for that every day. I mean sure visually there are a lot of quirky people, but luckily where i am, none of them are among the ones you should watch out for. I feel really blessed, having never played any crazy people; I really feared that would happen a lot before i started.
Is it only where i live, that there are viking looking players? Long beards, Vikingish tattoos? Maybe its because i live in Scandinavia, but i thought it was odd how the warhammer universe somehow attracted nerdy vikings. Well maybe not given a lot of them plays space wolves lol.
My weirdest (which is not even a negative weird, just funny i guess) was a guy who played Spaces wolves but was donning the viking style of viking ish tattoos and the beard etc, but he was also a vegan at the same time. It was quite amusing.
Good fella though, i ended up driving him to the bus station after he trashed my ork army. I played Goff Orks (and mainly still do) so we're both CC specialist armies, his just hits harder than mine.
My weirdest games involved the same people and apoc 7th edition. The store I frequented often in my old house had a lot of regulars around 12-15 of us (large group for a small town) but every month the store would hold a tournament and an apoc game. This was back in 7th where you could cheese pretty well and these certain people took advantage of it grossly sometimes. The first game consisted of xenos vs imperium I took my DA around 3K of Deathwing was put into the imperial team. Since we had so many xenos players I was paired with this father and sons team the sons had to have been in there early 30s and the dad in his 60s which was fine I didn’t mind they seemed like nice enough people. After the teams were set up we proceeded to unpack our armies and set up as I look at my army and the opponents I remember thinking how awesome this would look once everything was set up. Until I looked at my team memebers and saw only 3 models a scratch built stick figure titan, a grip of 30 very oddly scratch built librarians on bikes and a single Guard tank with 20-25 SM LV2 librarians inside. Everyone was kind of annoyed at the list they brought but couldn’t say much about it. Most of the game was than just waiting for them to cast Vortex 20-30 times and see half the enemy army disappear almost instantly. It was still a fun day but they mainly spent all the time argueing with each other and bringing super OP killing units that had way to much survivability. It could have gone a lot smoother. The second time was when they came to an escalation tournament everyone had started buying new armies I myself started a chaos space marine force I was running as black legion. I got pitted against the dad in a 500 point game and since war hound titans were less than that guess what I faced? Needless to say he won that round and a few more since everyone had a new army and not a lot of punch firepower at 500 points. The store a manger was already annoyed at them for other times they would pull the stunt since when you won you got store credit but he didn’t wanna lose the business they had brought him over the years which I can respect.
The final weirdest game I remember was getting a Necron player running a 4+ get back up detachment dechurian if I remember the name back in 7th. I had finished a fully painted 2000 point ravenwing army with the new rules that honestly made them pretty OP I can’t deny that but I had never run it before this day. With all my bells and whistles I had a apothecary who could ignore wounds on a 6+ for my HQ and the whole army had a 3-4+ jink depending on the unit. I don’t know what was going on that day but I never missed a junk or a 6+ apothecary save on my command squad. It got so bad that the Necron player yelled out “I WISH I HAD A BROKEN ARMY THIS IS BS!!!!” Which everyone responded with a resounding “YOU DO!!!” I felt bad cause it was the persons first game which I had known I was trying to help them play and even correcting certain things they had missed I.e. weapon profiles being stronger than they had thought the HQ lord they were running having more attacks and wounds but the way the game went I tabled them by turn 3. Mainly due to me never missing a save and them always missing a save. After the game we became friends and other times we played went normally but seeing the anger in a necron players eyes did kind of have a sweet bitterness to it.
I have two semi weird/cool things from a Gamesday way back twenty years ago. They were in back to back games too. (they really aren't at the top of this list of things though...)
Simple story; a marine player who had a name on the base of every model (I've seen this multiple times). This guy went a step further. Each time he lost a model, he would replace the model with a duplicate with the same paint scheme, markings, etc, but dead. Which was actually cool. he had converted a dead marine for each one in his army. And they were well done.
He would then describe and write down on a notepad the way each marine died. Inventing the specific injury and all. I was playing SoB's and he lost a lot of marines to Repentia's (I don't even remember the edition, but Repentia's on the charge were good.) So there were a lot of missing limbs on that list...
He might have been writing fan fiction from his games or something.
It didn't interfere with the game. He didn't take time out to do this, but did it in the lulls while I counted dice or whatever, and I would play that guy any day of the week and twice on Sunday, because he had a great sense of humor and was really just there to have fun! (something I fail at more often than I wish.)
The best thing for me was this was back when you got scored on sportsmanship. This guy won and everyone cheered. (Rating your opponent on sportsmanship always seemed like a decent idea but in reality I saw more tournaments decided by a poor loser taking revenge this way than not).
In contrast, the second weird thing was next game:
It was against a chaos daemon player who had 15 total models because 5 were princes or equivalents. I tied that game, but spent the whole time wishing I could go play the marine player again. Guy was a good player, but no conversation. It felt more like my chess club days. Which isn't a knock on any of that, just a massive contrast in ways to play 40k. Anyway, what I found weird was between moving each model, rolling each set of dice, removing a model, basically anything, his girlfriend said "good job, honey" and made him turn and kiss her. It was almost like a war between the game and her getting equal time.
I know...but it wasn't the insecurity or the kissing or anything I found weird...it was doing it every single time. She must have made this guy pause the game and kiss her fifty plus times in a 2 hour game. Even he seemed tired of it by the end.
I feel I must also admit that my group of four who all went wore "PENAL BATTALION 451" t-shirts we had printed up, with an invented list of heresy crimes and the years given. I think mine included procreating without permission and reading Robert Heinlein (if you see the reference you rule). Most of the sentences ranged in the centuries. So maybe we were the weird ones...
I know that I've got more than a few of these kinds of stories. I don't know what it is, but I kind of attract players like that for some reason.
-I've had one player flip the table on me out of frustration. This was probably one of my earliest games and I know that part of it was due to me not knowing exactly "all of the rules" to the game, but this was during the bridge between 3rd & 4th edition. So no one know really knew what to do about most of the changes as they were being rolled out. Either way, it was a bit too much for someone to damage about half my army in the process. I say half, because pewter was surprisingly resilient at that time. All in all, it was just his luck. The dice were not in his favor and I think I've never seen anyone roll that bad again in my life. He must have rolled at least 92% 1s for almost twelve separate rolls that were all back to back.
-I got to witness a near thirty year old man sprawl on the floor and have a tantrum. That one was over a rules dispute that he unsurprisingly lost. It wasn't a game that involved me, though it did involve him and a fresh player to the hobby. Someone who he must have thought that he could steamroll by waving a few of the rules at the time. I merely asked his opponent, a young boy about the age of 15 or slightly older. Just what exactly he knew that the Jump-pack Chaos Lord currently tearing through his front line was loaded down with. He replied with a small list of probably 7 items from the war gear list, because he was smart enough to at least take notes. I didn't even get the chance to inform the boy about exactly how many items of war gear a character are allowed to be equipped with, before the man-child across the table began to hyperventilate and turn several shades of red before it hit the fan.
It degraded to such a horrible scene and I feel utterly terrible for helping to cause it, because not only did he collapse to the floor and start to throw a tantrum after the rule was explained. But his mother actually came in and started to attempt to comfort him. Apparently, she drove him to the event and was waiting for him to get done with his last match.
Nibbler wrote: I once played a guy from my area whom I haven't met before. So we set our points level and stuff online, before meeting to play.
We shared our lists, so you could get some insight in what the other player is going to field.
On gameday, he came with a completely different, taylored list and completely devastated me (or better, my army). Didn't help, that he refused to use a decent amount of terrain.
I haven't played 40k for a while (like two editions) before that game and afterwards I recognised he also changed the rules to his benefit ...
I put my 40k stuff aside for another while and got back into the game when 8th ed started.
To this day, he keeps on bragging how he defeated me and won't admit, that he cheated his way to victory.
Weird thing is, I can't understand, how you get any satisfaction or fun out of such behavior.
We had a regular at our store who did that.
Would arrange a game, then, after learning your army, would go to the bathroom and tailor his list to beat yours. The first time it happened to me, I lucked out to have heard of it before hand, and swapped my army, using eldar instead of IG. When he came back, and he started complaining about the swap, the red shirt told him to either set up and start, or that the spot at the table would go to someone else.
He stopped playing the regulars after that when they all started swapping armies (or lying to him before the game), and stopped playing at all when he'd try it on new players and kids, only to find out a regular had lent the kid a tournament level army while he was in the bathroom.
That's pathetic....an adult needing Mommy to make their cheating @ a game of toy soldiers better is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
And the sad part is that it is totally believable, the sheer childishness I've personally see grown humans engage in painful.
I've seen a table flip in a game of chess @ a club tourney in middle school with the associated tantrum(where it is not out of the realm of possibility) but blatant cheating/preying on the newbie knowledge while an "adult", now that takes the "Imma gonna be a baby" championship.
He stopped playing the regulars after that when they all started swapping armies (or lying to him before the game), and stopped playing at all when he'd try it on new players and kids, only to find out a regular had lent the kid a tournament level army while he was in the bathroom.
That sounds like an immensely satisfying way to punish such poor behavior. I wish I could see the look on the offender's face when this kept happening.
He stopped playing the regulars after that when they all started swapping armies (or lying to him before the game), and stopped playing at all when he'd try it on new players and kids, only to find out a regular had lent the kid a tournament level army while he was in the bathroom.
That sounds like an immensely satisfying way to punish such poor behavior. I wish I could see the look on the offender's face when this kept happening.
Red, and frustrated.
He left saying he had joined the marines, but we found out later that he shipped out a full year after he stopped playing at our store.
5th Ed GT, one of the early ones run by FLG. I am playing mech dark eldar. I get paired up against Grey Knights. My opponent's list is Kaldor Draigo as the only units that start on the board, and are supposed to speed up the arrival of his Paladins that make up the rest of his army.
Turn one, I focus fire all of the skimmers in my army into his two characters, and fry them. Turn two, I spend flying in circles around the LOS blocking terrain in the center of the table to keep the cover save for going fast.
Turn 3 one unit of Paladins arrives, his full strength unit, and he chooses to have them walk on from his table edge. He walks on six inches, and frys a ravager.
Now, both of my raiders have shock prows on them, which let them tank shock. One of them is blocking LOS to a chunk of my skimmers, so I decide to tank shock to both get my skimmer out of the way, and move his terminators further away from cover.
He proceeds to fail his leadership test by one point. Then, he rolls the fall back distance, and we both realize a full half of his army has fled the battlefield.
We both just stared at the dice in silence for a moment, before I asked my opponent if he wanted one of the beers from my cooler. He accepted, stating, "that way, I can least I can say I got a beer out of the match when my friends ask how many points I got."
edwardmyst wrote: I have two semi weird/cool things from a Gamesday way back twenty years ago. They were in back to back games too. (they really aren't at the top of this list of things though...)
Simple story; a marine player who had a name on the base of every model (I've seen this multiple times). This guy went a step further. Each time he lost a model, he would replace the model with a duplicate with the same paint scheme, markings, etc, but dead. Which was actually cool. he had converted a dead marine for each one in his army. And they were well done.
He would then describe and write down on a notepad the way each marine died. Inventing the specific injury and all. I was playing SoB's and he lost a lot of marines to Repentia's (I don't even remember the edition, but Repentia's on the charge were good.) So there were a lot of missing limbs on that list...
He might have been writing fan fiction from his games or something.
It didn't interfere with the game. He didn't take time out to do this, but did it in the lulls while I counted dice or whatever, and I would play that guy any day of the week and twice on Sunday, because he had a great sense of humor and was really just there to have fun! (something I fail at more often than I wish.)
The best thing for me was this was back when you got scored on sportsmanship. This guy won and everyone cheered. (Rating your opponent on sportsmanship always seemed like a decent idea but in reality I saw more tournaments decided by a poor loser taking revenge this way than not).
Oborosen wrote: I know that I've got more than a few of these kinds of stories. I don't know what it is, but I kind of attract players like that for some reason.
-I've had one player flip the table on me out of frustration. This was probably one of my earliest games and I know that part of it was due to me not know exactly "all of the rules" of the rules to the game, but this was during the bridge between 3rd & 4th edition. So no one know really knew what to do about most of the changes as they were being rolled out. Either way, it was a bitt too much for someone to damage about half my army in the process. I say half, because pewter was surprisingly resilient at that time.
All in all, it was just his luck. The dice were not in his favor and I think I've never seen anyone roll that bad again in my life. He must have rolled at least 92% 1s for almost twelve separate rolls that were all back to back.
-I got to witness a near thirty year old man sprawl on the floor and have a tantrum.
That one was over a rules dispute that he unsurprisingly lost. It wasn't a game that involved me, though it did involve him and a fresh player to the hobby. Someone who he must have thought that he could steamroll by waving a few of the rules at the time. I merely asked his opponent, a young boy about the age of 15 or slightly older. Just what exactly he knew that the Jump-pack Chaos Lord currently tearing through his front line was loaded down with. He replied with a small list of probably 7 items from the war gear list, because he was smart enough to at least take notes. I didn't even get the chance to inform the boy about exactly how many items of war gear a character are allowed to be equipped with, before the man-child across the table began to hyperventilate and turn several shades of red before it hit the fan.
It degraded to such a horrible scene and I feel utterly terrible for helping to cause it, because not only did he collapse to the floor and start to throw a tantrum after the rule was explained. But his mother actually came it and started to attempt to comfort him. Apparently, she drove him to the event and was waiting for him to get done with his last match.
did you get any monetary compensation for him damaging half your army? I would have been furious
I once played a guy from my area whom I haven't met before. So we set our points level and stuff online, before meeting to play.
We shared our lists, so you could get some insight in what the other player is going to field.
On gameday, he came with a completely different, taylored list and completely devastated me (or better, my army). Didn't help, that he refused to use a decent amount of terrain.
I haven't played 40k for a while (like two editions) before that game and afterwards I recognised he also changed the rules to his benefit ...
I put my 40k stuff aside for another while and got back into the game when 8th ed started.
To this day, he keeps on bragging how he defeated me and won't admit, that he cheated his way to victory.
Weird thing is, I can't understand, how you get any satisfaction or fun out of such behavior.
i dont know why people do what they do, but he sounds like a terrible person. But why did you decide to accept the battle if you saw his army was different when he showed up? Why not say: hey i can see you have a different army than what you showed me, so this battle is off.
Well i guess i probably would take the battle too, i mean one has showed up, so one would just go home empty handed i guess.
There's no good answer to that question.
Hadn't got a game in a lonhg time, so I took the chance playing someone from my area.
Haven't played the guy again and now, being older and more selfconfident, I would complain openly about his behaviour and decline to play him.
I'm going to say something people probably won't agree with but, good on you for playing the game anyways. The guy lied and cheated but you still played the game, a task you wanted to do, win or lose. You did well and sure got smashed and got cheated but you still played your game and upheld yourself with honor. I'd never play with that person again and be sure to say how bad he cheated and how underhanded he was to change his list up like that. Some people have no honor however and don't need to feel good about what they do.
I would have confronted him about the deceit he tried to pull but you did the honorable thing all the same and did it without complaint. I'd say you had some self confidence to handle it as you did. If he still brags about it, he has some problems so that win must have meant a lot to him which is pretty sad so maybe you did a good thing to give him that to hang on to.
All in all, it was just one game and a small price to pay to show your character and have him reveal his own or lack there of.
edwardmyst wrote: I have two semi weird/cool things from a Gamesday way back twenty years ago. They were in back to back games too. (they really aren't at the top of this list of things though...)
Simple story; a marine player who had a name on the base of every model (I've seen this multiple times). This guy went a step further. Each time he lost a model, he would replace the model with a duplicate with the same paint scheme, markings, etc, but dead. Which was actually cool. he had converted a dead marine for each one in his army. And they were well done.
He would then describe and write down on a notepad the way each marine died. Inventing the specific injury and all. I was playing SoB's and he lost a lot of marines to Repentia's (I don't even remember the edition, but Repentia's on the charge were good.) So there were a lot of missing limbs on that list...
He might have been writing fan fiction from his games or something.
It didn't interfere with the game. He didn't take time out to do this, but did it in the lulls while I counted dice or whatever, and I would play that guy any day of the week and twice on Sunday, because he had a great sense of humor and was really just there to have fun! (something I fail at more often than I wish.)
The best thing for me was this was back when you got scored on sportsmanship. This guy won and everyone cheered. (Rating your opponent on sportsmanship always seemed like a decent idea but in reality I saw more tournaments decided by a poor loser taking revenge this way than not).
Racerguy180 wrote: That's pathetic....an adult needing Mommy to make their cheating @ a game of toy soldiers better is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
This hobby, unsurprisingly, draws in a lot of neurodivergent people. I'm going to assume this was one such example, given the sheer severity of reaction.
My weirdest thing ever was when a random hobo burst into the store and started shaking my hand, telling me...i think about jesus or something like that, I was like 16 at the time and taken completely by surprise so i wasn't exactly paying attention. He left right after finishing his monologue...
Less weird and more cringe was the one time (not long after tau were released) some dude at a gamestore tried to commie-shame me for playing them. Looking back, he gave of a distinct vibe of a white-power loser, but again, 15yo me was just confused by it all.
edwardmyst wrote: I have two semi weird/cool things from a Gamesday way back twenty years ago. They were in back to back games too. (they really aren't at the top of this list of things though...)
Simple story; a marine player who had a name on the base of every model (I've seen this multiple times). This guy went a step further. Each time he lost a model, he would replace the model with a duplicate with the same paint scheme, markings, etc, but dead. Which was actually cool. he had converted a dead marine for each one in his army. And they were well done.
He would then describe and write down on a notepad the way each marine died. Inventing the specific injury and all. I was playing SoB's and he lost a lot of marines to Repentia's (I don't even remember the edition, but Repentia's on the charge were good.) So there were a lot of missing limbs on that list...
He might have been writing fan fiction from his games or something.
It didn't interfere with the game. He didn't take time out to do this, but did it in the lulls while I counted dice or whatever, and I would play that guy any day of the week and twice on Sunday, because he had a great sense of humor and was really just there to have fun! (something I fail at more often than I wish.)
The best thing for me was this was back when you got scored on sportsmanship. This guy won and everyone cheered. (Rating your opponent on sportsmanship always seemed like a decent idea but in reality I saw more tournaments decided by a poor loser taking revenge this way than not).
My situation happened long before 2011 when that was posted, so I don't think so, but that stuff is also awesome and the same type of thing. Could be the same person. If it is I hope you read my post, you were awesome. If it isn't, still KUDOS for doing the dead marines, you riock as well!
So on the topic of grown adults having extremely embarrassing melt downs, I was recently at a small non-GW event for wargaming, and a individual who was around 30is years old, (Older than 20s, younger than 50) was attending with his newly constructed and painted Russ list. This was obviously a list the person had spent a lot of time painting, as each tank had a personally painted hull name, like "Lulu bell". Long story short this guy also had clear instability issues, with emotions and communication. I do not want to label or use terms I am not equipped to use, like the R word, but this guy was extremely well liked by the local community and was obviously a talented modeler and painter.
He lost one round near the end of the event, that went very badly for him with rolls, opponent's list seemed taylormade for anti-tank, etc. So around turn 4 he just starts picking up his models and breaking them. We all kind of stopped playing, and watched, shocked, horrified, sad.
His opponent just kept playing. After we were watching this for about 5 tanks, the store owner came over and started trying to calm him down, whispering to him, and just telling everyone to stop staring and keep playing. He destroyed half his list in his emotional state, and it was a real travesty.
His caretaker (?) came in and began helping him put his stuff away, and he just lost it.
He started to just shriek and sob, which coming from a grown man sounded really awful. It was clear this guy was struggling with something really difficult and it was really sad, given his talent.
Everyone who knew him (Seemed like half the store) felt so bad after the event that they bought out the store's inventory of Guard tanks, and left them at the store for him, which he came by to pick up the next day I heard.
Turns out he is a regular at the store and it was his only real hobby was creating really beautiful models, but had a real hard time playing the game.
I feel like we judge people who have emotional outbursts, but we have no idea what people are dealing with, or how strong they are just to be able to be there. I am glad I saw this, because it really restored my faith in the hobby, and the area, in helping a man with those sort of issues still be part of the hobby.
Anyway, sorry to waste your time, happy ending I guess?
Nibbler wrote: I once played a guy from my area whom I haven't met before. So we set our points level and stuff online, before meeting to play.
We shared our lists, so you could get some insight in what the other player is going to field.
On gameday, he came with a completely different, taylored list and completely devastated me (or better, my army). Didn't help, that he refused to use a decent amount of terrain.
I haven't played 40k for a while (like two editions) before that game and afterwards I recognised he also changed the rules to his benefit ...
I put my 40k stuff aside for another while and got back into the game when 8th ed started.
To this day, he keeps on bragging how he defeated me and won't admit, that he cheated his way to victory.
Weird thing is, I can't understand, how you get any satisfaction or fun out of such behavior.
Yeah, I know some stores around here were this kind of behavior used to be quite common, especially list tailoring after one had seen the opponent's list was rampant. Eventually this lead to me avoiding games at stores outside of narrative events.
Beardedragon wrote: did you get any monetary compensation for him damaging half your army? I would have been furious
The shop owner helped to reimburse me and I believe he was permanently banned from playing there. Though that shop's been gone for nearly twenty years now and I've never seen him since.
The man who threw the tantrum however.. I saw him more than a few other times.
LunarSol wrote: I had an opponent sit me down and read me through the Blood Angel codex to try to explain to me that there isn't a Blood Angel captain with a Jump Pack to insist that Blood Angel captains CANNOT have a Jump Pack. I wasn't even the one playing Blood Angels; my DW captain just happened to have a BA shoulder pad.
To be fair, this is very in tune with the modern GW "no model - no rules" philosophy.
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Apple fox wrote: One of the weirdest return encounters I am still confused by, is how much hate my eldar get from players I have never met before that seems to be entirely connected to being a girl.
From people that have never seen my army before, and seem keen for me to join but make playing with them entirely unwelcome feeling.
Eh, judging from some of the other posts I've seen the hate against Eldar hits male players too. Like the hate against Tau.
Karol man, some of your posts fill me with sadness. You may be bad at social interactions, but you honestly seem (to me anyway) like a nice person, so let me say this: hang in there bro ! Things will get better.
I kind of agree with you about not "too" saying much, it is good advice in many situations actually, though indeed as it was said, one does need to stick a neck out there sometimes to improve social skills. It may be more about self confidence than getting better through trial and error though
Karol is play acting. He acts out too many of the tropes that people use for anti-Polish racism to be genuine.
There was a guy in my area years ago who had an ork army with a unique trait. All of them had gold teeth. Grots had one, boys has 2, nobs could have gold tusks or more gold teeth, and the warboss had all gold teeth.
When asked he usually said it was a James Bond thing, like all the movies with "gold" in them, and he names his boss something goldteef, da boss wit da golden blasta.
Privately if he knew you he'd admit he was kind of slamming on the whole gangsta rappa thing where they had their teeth plated in gold. He said he thought it was the kind of thing an ork would do but didn't want anyone calling him racist for it. It was kind of weird he thought that many, if any, 40k players would have had a problem with it.
Beardedragon wrote: did you get any monetary compensation for him damaging half your army? I would have been furious
The shop owner helped to reimburse me and I believe he was permanently banned from player there. Though that shops been gone for nearly twenty years now and I've never seen him since.
The man who threw the tantrum however.. I saw him more than a few other times.
Im glad you got reimbursed. Shouldnt have been the shop owner tho, but the guy destroying your items. All that time we spend (at least many people) painting our minies and then they just get wrecked by someone else.. Im not even sure i would react.
A playing buddy of mine accidentially knocked over my 3D printed Ork Chinork warkopta 2 times in a row so first my rotors got bend, then broken off. And they were long so i was unable to put them back on. He apoligized and its cool but inside it made me angry (knock it over once by accident, fair enough, knock it over twice in 5 min? Would you mind actually be careful?!). So i cant even imagine what i would do if someone intentionally destroyed my miniatures, because i spend quite a bit painting them.
My miniatures have affectionate value for me, they cant be reimbursed. Also since i play orks i have a lot i need to paint, so if half my army broke i would never be able to recover
LunarSol wrote: I had an opponent sit me down and read me through the Blood Angel codex to try to explain to me that there isn't a Blood Angel captain with a Jump Pack to insist that Blood Angel captains CANNOT have a Jump Pack. I wasn't even the one playing Blood Angels; my DW captain just happened to have a BA shoulder pad.
To be fair, this is very in tune with the modern GW "no model - no rules" philosophy.
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Apple fox wrote: One of the weirdest return encounters I am still confused by, is how much hate my eldar get from players I have never met before that seems to be entirely connected to being a girl.
From people that have never seen my army before, and seem keen for me to join but make playing with them entirely unwelcome feeling.
Eh, judging from some of the other posts I've seen the hate against Eldar hits male players too. Like the hate against Tau.
Karol man, some of your posts fill me with sadness. You may be bad at social interactions, but you honestly seem (to me anyway) like a nice person, so let me say this: hang in there bro ! Things will get better.
I kind of agree with you about not "too" saying much, it is good advice in many situations actually, though indeed as it was said, one does need to stick a neck out there sometimes to improve social skills. It may be more about self confidence than getting better through trial and error though
Karol is play acting. He acts out too many of the tropes that people use for anti-Polish racism to be genuine.
Pretty decent acting then hah hah, OK i'll bear that in mind from now on. It did seemed layed on quite heavy
Beardedragon wrote: Im glad you got reimbursed. Shouldnt have been the shop owner tho, but the guy destroying your items. All that time we spend (at least many people) painting our minies and then they just get wrecked by someone else.. Im not even sure i would react.
A playing buddy of mine accidentially knocked over my 3D printed Ork Chinork warkopta 2 times in a row so first my rotors got bend, then broken off. And they were long so i was unable to put them back on. He apoligized and its cool but inside it made me angry (knock it over once by accident, fair enough, knock it over twice in 5 min? Would you mind actually be careful?!). So i cant even imagine what i would do if someone intentionally destroyed my miniatures, because i spend quite a bit painting them.
My miniatures have affectionate value for me, they cant be reimbursed. Also since i play orks i have a lot i need to paint, so if half my army broke i would never be able to recover
That's understandable. One of my first models that I ever really took the time to customize and make my own, was a nemesis dread knight. Fully outfitted and worked with a surprising amount of Mili-putty to actually look more enclosed and less like the baby carriers that they were famed for being.
I had a member of our weekly group snap the right arm off, twice. Simply because he didn't know how to properly hand a book across the table. One by lowering it directly onto the swords tip and snapping the arm off at the wrist. The other, is when he dropped a codex in mid toss and it nearly tore the whole of the arm off, along with dislodging him off the base. Which is when I and several other players got verbal about his antics.
My weirdest doesn't come close to any of yours but did for one of the common themes.
There's a teen on the spectrum in this area that I've played with a few times. The weird experience was him recounting turn by turn a game he played against my blood angels. I've never owned any blood angels. I'll never know who he got me mixed up with.
Matt Swain wrote:There was a guy in my area years ago who had an ork army with a unique trait. All of them had gold teeth. Grots had one, boys has 2, nobs could have gold tusks or more gold teeth, and the warboss had all gold teeth.
When asked he usually said it was a James Bond thing, like all the movies with "gold" in them, and he names his boss something goldteef, da boss wit da golden blasta.
Privately if he knew you he'd admit he was kind of slamming on the whole gangsta rappa thing where they had their teeth plated in gold. He said he thought it was the kind of thing an ork would do but didn't want anyone calling him racist for it. It was kind of weird he thought that many, if any, 40k players would have had a problem with it.
One weird event for me was a 'Necrons vs Imperium' megabattle from back in 3rd(?) edition.
One of the players was an IG player who brought a tank company for his list. He was firing through a gap in the terrain, and racking up a decent kill count when one of the necron players landed a monolith in front of his three main tanks.
The IG player had a few options at this point.
A: Move the tanks to regain line of sight. Splitting up a bit so one monolith didn't block LoS to more than one of them.
B: find a way to kill the monolith.
C: Whine about the situation.
I'm sure all of you can guess that he chose (C), and that led to a wave of necrons crushing our left three turns later.
This happened during the final showdown of a campaign in 8th that was a huge game with 6000 points of DG, WE and Fallen against a combined force of IF, DA and allaitoc eldar. The eldar player was already having a bad day because in his last mission he had world eaters randomly appearing out of the warp right in the middle of his gunline, ending in lots of blood for the blood god.
During turn 3 or 4 of the final game, he had some rangers sitting on top of a ruin. I shot them with something I can't remember and he removed the three rangers standing up, leaving the two kneeling models, so the unit was hidden from sight from the bloat drone right in front of them. Since I couldn't see them, I shot the spitters at a nearby intercessor unit for little effect.
In his turn, he then declares to be shooting at Cypher (his DA teammate's mission objective) somewhere in the middle of the board and asked me whether they had line of sight. I squat down behind them, and tell him no. He is furious, demands to know why. I tell him that they can't even see over the wall they are hiding behind because they are kneeling. Red-headed he tells me I can't be serious, stomps over to his case and replaces the kneeling models with standing ones, asks me to check LoS again. I tell him to do whatever he thinks is right and he takes the shots at Cypher, misses all of them. He uses a command re-roll, hits one and fails to wound.
They closely lost the game, and he kept talking about how they only lost because he missed those shots, while everyone else was laughing about how Kharn had killed more poxwalkers than the enemy, some WE bikers were lost in the warp when they tried to use a portal and a unit of DA helblasters had failed to even scratch a daemon prince of Khorne with their guns, only to charge and clobber him do death in a single round of combat.
I played with a guy at a LGS in a prior edition (which one are now lost to the sands of time but it was pre-8th). Nothing crazy. Just a little pick-up game. He played Space Wolves (not that it really matters). Early on, I noticed he would occasionally, "bump" his character models during a dice roll. He "accidentally" knock them forward a bit. The dice would literally be rolled into the models. He would then pick his dice up and go for some chit-chat about this or that and then move on to something else and never move them back to where they were prior to the dice moving them forward.
The first two times it happened I didn't think anything of it, but then, at one point he bumped two of my CSM models. Wasn't a big deal but I did forget to put them "back". They were just ever so slightly bumped backwards so it's not like it was a huge deal anyway. But then, later in the turn, he tried to claim they were out of coherency.
I'm sure you've figured it out by now but he was absolutely deliberately trying to use the dice to change model positions on the table. Thankfully, in having played since RT, I've had precious few truly "bad" experiences, but that one was definitely odd.
Tycho wrote: I played with a guy at a LGS in a prior edition (which one are now lost to the sands of time but it was pre-8th). Nothing crazy. Just a little pick-up game. He played Space Wolves (not that it really matters). Early on, I noticed he would occasionally, "bump" his character models during a dice roll. He "accidentally" knock them forward a bit. The dice would literally be rolled into the models. He would then pick his dice up and go for some chit-chat about this or that and then move on to something else and never move them back to where they were prior to the dice moving them forward.
The first two times it happened I didn't think anything of it, but then, at one point he bumped two of my CSM models. Wasn't a big deal but I did forget to put them "back". They were just ever so slightly bumped backwards so it's not like it was a huge deal anyway. But then, later in the turn, he tried to claim they were out of coherency.
I'm sure you've figured it out by now but he was absolutely deliberately trying to use the dice to change model positions on the table. Thankfully, in having played since RT, I've had precious few truly "bad" experiences, but that one was definitely odd.
rofl. Some people are just cheaters through and through. Everytime me and my friends accidentially hit our models either through the die, or by accidentially just bumping them, we just put them back. If we move on and a unit has a model thats clearly meant to be in coherency but isnt because of what ever reason that might be, we just move it a little closer and everyones happy. Ive never met anyone who didnt, i mean at least, ive never met anyone that deliberately tried to cheat this way.
Reading all your stories just make me super happy that i dont meet those types of players
Tycho wrote: The first two times it happened I didn't think anything of it, but then, at one point he bumped two of my CSM models. Wasn't a big deal but I did forget to put them "back". They were just ever so slightly bumped backwards so it's not like it was a huge deal anyway. But then, later in the turn, he tried to claim they were out of coherency.
I had something similar in a local team tourney game - shot the last model of a unit off the board, ref (who happened to be on the same team as the opponent) put the model back on the table and told him to make a FnP save he had forgotten about.
Next turn the same model was killed by the same unit that shot them the turn before. Ref cried foul saying there was no line of sight for the shot - since he'd made sure to put it out of LoS when he replaced it.
Reading all your stories just make me super happy that i dont meet those types of players
Honestly, while it's a funny story, I actually kind of felt bad for the guy. From his behavior around the shop in general that day (the only day I ever saw him) I'd guessed he may have been suffering from a mild form of aspergers.
IDK if that's possible or if you only have the full blown version or whatever (I'm not a ... whatever you would have to be to properly diagnose that...) but the way I recall, it was like everyone else was at a cool house party, and this poor guy showed up late. No one was answering the front door because the party was too loud, so he went round to the back. He was standing at the sliding glass door with everyone motioning for him to come in, but rather than reach down, grab the handle and slide the door open, he just kept bumping face first into the glass. Like he couldn't quite get that entry figured out.
Either way, I felt like his life was probably a lot harder than mine, so I tend to file it under "odd thing at the LGS" rather than "This jerk I played against" ... lol
Loud sounds are bad, hard to concentrate on stuff when there are many sources of it incoming. I get the guy real well. When you play, and there is some people talking nearby and someone suddenly asks you a questions, it is like fog, everything goes wierd and you just want to punch something just to be safe.
IDK if that's possible or if you only have the full blown version or whatever
It is indeed a spectrum. You can have autism so mild it's barely noticeable at all, or so severe it makes operating in the society alone almost impossible.
If I recall correctly, these days "Aspergers" is just deemed mild form of Autism rather than it's own thing.
Karol wrote: Loud sounds are bad, hard to concentrate on stuff when there are many sources of it incoming. I get the guy real well. When you play, and there is some people talking nearby and someone suddenly asks you a questions, it is like fog, everything goes wierd and you just want to punch something just to be safe.
You would have hated playing one of the stores here then. There was a regular playing craftworld eldar during 5th whose voice had exactly one setting - at the top of his lungs, and it didn't help that his voice was also rather high pitched. You always knew the exact state of his game and every single one of his dice results, despite him being at the exact opposite end of a rather big store and a shelf in between. Even during the battle for Armageddon campaign when there were three apoc games with 20k points each going on in the store, I could hear every single one of his words loud and clear.
Tycho wrote: I played with a guy at a LGS in a prior edition (which one are now lost to the sands of time but it was pre-8th). Nothing crazy. Just a little pick-up game. He played Space Wolves (not that it really matters). Early on, I noticed he would occasionally, "bump" his character models during a dice roll. He "accidentally" knock them forward a bit. The dice would literally be rolled into the models. He would then pick his dice up and go for some chit-chat about this or that and then move on to something else and never move them back to where they were prior to the dice moving them forward.
The first two times it happened I didn't think anything of it, but then, at one point he bumped two of my CSM models. Wasn't a big deal but I did forget to put them "back". They were just ever so slightly bumped backwards so it's not like it was a huge deal anyway. But then, later in the turn, he tried to claim they were out of coherency.
I'm sure you've figured it out by now but he was absolutely deliberately trying to use the dice to change model positions on the table. Thankfully, in having played since RT, I've had precious few truly "bad" experiences, but that one was definitely odd.
Remember reading a post during the days of Portent (IIRC) of a guy playing this older guy. Older guy shoots with a Havok squad or something that is on a hill but it is out of range. Next turn they magically are, despite having not moved. Turns out they guy, whether consciously or not had pushed the hill forward with his gut and not noticed that the hill had moved.
I had a game during a tournament back in 6th edition in which I felt so bad for a player I ended up throwing my game tactically so that he wouldn't be the last place person.
The guy in question was very odd. He had a slaanesh tattoo, was a military fellow, and had a sizable chaos army. His list was....well bad. He had sonic marines inside of land raider, he had a khyton (a pseudo knight) with no support in an edition of anti knight fire. Every move was the worst move you could make in a tactical sense. I was playing Skittari and was doing rather poorly (combination of their lackluster rules at the time, my own dice rolls, and being paired against the 3 Hornet spam eldar lists previously). I felt so bad for this guy that I ended up making purposeful tactical blunders and cheating my dice rolls (id roll a six and say it was a 1) just so this guy didn't have the worst tournament record ever. Like I had bad luck but this guy was just terrible.
You would have hated playing one of the stores here then. There was a regular playing craftworld eldar during 5th whose voice had exactly one setting - at the top of his lungs, and it didn't help that his voice was also rather high pitched. You always knew the exact state of his game and every single one of his dice results, despite him being at the exact opposite end of a rather big store and a shelf in between. Even during the battle for Armageddon campaign when there were three apoc games with 20k points each going on in the store, I could hear every single one of his words loud and clear.
Scary. Although I do have to say that sound adjustment was something I had to learn, and I mostly deal with it by not talking. I learned that if I am in a place where there is a ton of sound and they mix in to one, it isn't not that bad, as long as no one asks me stuff directly, because then I try to out shout the whole room. That is why I like the stores here. Oddly enough durning sports events or training I can shut out all sound no problem.
I wonder how many w40k players are there who are autistic. There have to be some, because it is too big of a hobby for it to be non. Would be interesting to know how they deal with certain stuff.
One weird event for me was a 'Necrons vs Imperium' megabattle from back in 3rd(?) edition.
One of the players was an IG player who brought a tank company for his list. He was firing through a gap in the terrain, and racking up a decent kill count when one of the necron players landed a monolith in front of his three main tanks.
The IG player had a few options at this point.
A: Move the tanks to regain line of sight. Splitting up a bit so one monolith didn't block LoS to more than one of them.
B: find a way to kill the monolith.
C: Whine about the situation.
I'm sure all of you can guess that he chose (C), and that led to a wave of necrons crushing our left three turns later.
TBH that sounds like just a urine poor player, not really anything 'weird'.
generalchaos34 wrote: I had a game during a tournament back in 6th edition in which I felt so bad for a player I ended up throwing my game tactically so that he wouldn't be the last place person.
The guy in question was very odd. He had a slaanesh tattoo, was a military fellow, and had a sizable chaos army. His list was....well bad. He had sonic marines inside of land raider, he had a khyton (a pseudo knight) with no support in an edition of anti knight fire. Every move was the worst move you could make in a tactical sense. I was playing Skittari and was doing rather poorly (combination of their lackluster rules at the time, my own dice rolls, and being paired against the 3 Hornet spam eldar lists previously). I felt so bad for this guy that I ended up making purposeful tactical blunders and cheating my dice rolls (id roll a six and say it was a 1) just so this guy didn't have the worst tournament record ever. Like I had bad luck but this guy was just terrible.
That's how they get ya, the pity victory.
Jokes aside, I've done it too, in 40k and AoS. Intentionally forgetting a rule or two in my lists combo, toning down the actual stats of my units offensive power, after I've noticed that I've pulled really really far ahead in a casual match, and want to keep playing and enjoying the game with my opponent. I've been doing it more and more, since 8.5 and 9e Space Marines came out...
I've heard of people seeing a guy playing well but rolling so unbelievably terribly they lost to him deliberately because they didn't want a win handed to them by almost impossibly bad die rolls.
generalchaos34 wrote: I had a game during a tournament back in 6th edition in which I felt so bad for a player I ended up throwing my game tactically so that he wouldn't be the last place person.
The guy in question was very odd. He had a slaanesh tattoo, was a military fellow, and had a sizable chaos army. His list was....well bad. He had sonic marines inside of land raider, he had a khyton (a pseudo knight) with no support in an edition of anti knight fire. Every move was the worst move you could make in a tactical sense. I was playing Skittari and was doing rather poorly (combination of their lackluster rules at the time, my own dice rolls, and being paired against the 3 Hornet spam eldar lists previously). I felt so bad for this guy that I ended up making purposeful tactical blunders and cheating my dice rolls (id roll a six and say it was a 1) just so this guy didn't have the worst tournament record ever. Like I had bad luck but this guy was just terrible.
Funnily enough, I've played in a tournament where last place got a prize (technically everybody got a prize, but last place got to pick from the pool either first, or after top 3), so throwing a game if you had an already bad record was favored. We didn't know this so the one game we won actually harmed our reward (it was a team tournament). Had we had known, we would have thrown.
@Karol
I experience issues much like you do, where if there's a lot of noise it all blends together and I find it stressful. Becomes very difficult to think or articulate thoughts. Never felt like punching anybody though and I've never been officially diagnosed with autism. I deal with it by mostly playing at home with friends (I built a gaming table which sadly takes up most of the room in my small apartment, which would be fine if I had used it in the last year!)
If I'm playing at a particularly active game store it's a lot of apologizing while I take way too long to think, or I'll stop thinking and just make the first move I can come up with even if it's a bad tactical move.
generalchaos34 wrote: I had a game during a tournament back in 6th edition in which I felt so bad for a player I ended up throwing my game tactically so that he wouldn't be the last place person.
The guy in question was very odd. He had a slaanesh tattoo, was a military fellow, and had a sizable chaos army. His list was....well bad. He had sonic marines inside of land raider, he had a khyton (a pseudo knight) with no support in an edition of anti knight fire. Every move was the worst move you could make in a tactical sense. I was playing Skittari and was doing rather poorly (combination of their lackluster rules at the time, my own dice rolls, and being paired against the 3 Hornet spam eldar lists previously). I felt so bad for this guy that I ended up making purposeful tactical blunders and cheating my dice rolls (id roll a six and say it was a 1) just so this guy didn't have the worst tournament record ever. Like I had bad luck but this guy was just terrible.
That's how they get ya, the pity victory.
Jokes aside, I've done it too, in 40k and AoS. Intentionally forgetting a rule or two in my lists combo, toning down the actual stats of my units offensive power, after I've noticed that I've pulled really really far ahead in a casual match, and want to keep playing and enjoying the game with my opponent. I've been doing it more and more, since 8.5 and 9e Space Marines came out...
Lol, if he was acting he deserved an oscar! Sadly this was just some poor jarhead that really loved chaos marines and lacked any great spark of intelligence (or boundaries, he was REALLY into slaanesh and it was an almost exclusively male crowd). Ive found myself doing this as well with brand new players and kids as well. No reason to scare them off! At least not yet. I find that a game that can be equally enjoyed by all is far better than any victory.
generalchaos34 wrote: I had a game during a tournament back in 6th edition in which I felt so bad for a player I ended up throwing my game tactically so that he wouldn't be the last place person.
The guy in question was very odd. He had a slaanesh tattoo, was a military fellow, and had a sizable chaos army. His list was....well bad. He had sonic marines inside of land raider, he had a khyton (a pseudo knight) with no support in an edition of anti knight fire. Every move was the worst move you could make in a tactical sense. I was playing Skittari and was doing rather poorly (combination of their lackluster rules at the time, my own dice rolls, and being paired against the 3 Hornet spam eldar lists previously). I felt so bad for this guy that I ended up making purposeful tactical blunders and cheating my dice rolls (id roll a six and say it was a 1) just so this guy didn't have the worst tournament record ever. Like I had bad luck but this guy was just terrible.
That's how they get ya, the pity victory.
Jokes aside, I've done it too, in 40k and AoS. Intentionally forgetting a rule or two in my lists combo, toning down the actual stats of my units offensive power, after I've noticed that I've pulled really really far ahead in a casual match, and want to keep playing and enjoying the game with my opponent. I've been doing it more and more, since 8.5 and 9e Space Marines came out...
Lol, if he was acting he deserved an oscar! Sadly this was just some poor jarhead that really loved chaos marines and lacked any great spark of intelligence (or boundaries, he was REALLY into slaanesh and it was an almost exclusively male crowd). Ive found myself doing this as well with brand new players and kids as well. No reason to scare them off! At least not yet. I find that a game that can be equally enjoyed by all is far better than any victory.
Well, I kinda have to play advocatus diaboli here, not necessarily defending this guy but at least explaining why he might not have been a total dick.
First off you say slaanesh and everyone thinks wild pansexual orgies and worse. Let's remember slaanesh also represents the desire to be perfect. Physically, mentally, artistically, etc. All chaos gods have a positive aspect that helps lure people into their bad sides.
As for the sexual thing, two of histories greatest military minds were not hetero sexual. Alexander the great is widely accepted as preferring men, but had children with women as an expected act, and Julius Cesar was known as being bisexual.
As to real military guys playing 40k i've seen it happen and they sometimes try to use real world military acumen in the game. They generally get their asses hammered at first and either get that it's a game and not a military training exercise or ragequit in contempt.
Slaanesh isn't an army i'd lean towards but generally i don't begrudge people their army choices.
generalchaos34 wrote: I had a game during a tournament back in 6th edition in which I felt so bad for a player I ended up throwing my game tactically so that he wouldn't be the last place person.
The guy in question was very odd. He had a slaanesh tattoo, was a military fellow, and had a sizable chaos army. His list was....well bad. He had sonic marines inside of land raider, he had a khyton (a pseudo knight) with no support in an edition of anti knight fire. Every move was the worst move you could make in a tactical sense. I was playing Skittari and was doing rather poorly (combination of their lackluster rules at the time, my own dice rolls, and being paired against the 3 Hornet spam eldar lists previously). I felt so bad for this guy that I ended up making purposeful tactical blunders and cheating my dice rolls (id roll a six and say it was a 1) just so this guy didn't have the worst tournament record ever. Like I had bad luck but this guy was just terrible.
That's how they get ya, the pity victory.
Jokes aside, I've done it too, in 40k and AoS. Intentionally forgetting a rule or two in my lists combo, toning down the actual stats of my units offensive power, after I've noticed that I've pulled really really far ahead in a casual match, and want to keep playing and enjoying the game with my opponent. I've been doing it more and more, since 8.5 and 9e Space Marines came out...
Lol, if he was acting he deserved an oscar! Sadly this was just some poor jarhead that really loved chaos marines and lacked any great spark of intelligence (or boundaries, he was REALLY into slaanesh and it was an almost exclusively male crowd). Ive found myself doing this as well with brand new players and kids as well. No reason to scare them off! At least not yet. I find that a game that can be equally enjoyed by all is far better than any victory.
Well, I kinda have to play advocatus diaboli here, not necessarily defending this guy but at least explaining why he might not have been a total dick.
First off you say slaanesh and everyone thinks wild pansexual orgies and worse. Let's remember slaanesh also represents the desire to be perfect. Physically, mentally, artistically, etc. All chaos gods have a positive aspect that helps lure people into their bad sides.
As for the sexual thing, two of histories greatest military minds were not hetero sexual. Alexander the great is widely accepted as preferring men, but had children with women as an expected act, and Julius Cesar was known as being bisexual.
As to real military guys playing 40k i've seen it happen and they sometimes try to use real world military acumen in the game. They generally get their asses hammered at first and either get that it's a game and not a military training exercise or ragequit in contempt.
Slaanesh isn't an army i'd lean towards but generally i don't begrudge people their army choices.
I'm not dunking on perceived sexualities, im a lesbian myself. This guy took the sex, drugs, and rock and roll part of Slaanesh very seriously and would constantly talk about creepy stuff like noise marines murder raping things and would often go into graphic details of his sex life ( I was hoping to avoid having to type that so I left it out of my original story). I'm not against the army, I just noticed that some people run with the themes WAY too hard and try to build a lifestyle on it, instead of you know.....enjoying the game.
Oborosen wrote: I've had one player flip the table on me out of frustration. This was probably one of my earliest games and I know that part of it was due to me not knowing exactly "all of the rules" to the game, but this was during the bridge between 3rd & 4th edition. So no one know really knew what to do about most of the changes as they were being rolled out. Either way, it was a bit too much for someone to damage about half my army in the process. I say half, because pewter was surprisingly resilient at that time.
All in all, it was just his luck. The dice were not in his favor and I think I've never seen anyone roll that bad again in my life. He must have rolled at least 92% 1s for almost twelve separate rolls that were all back to back.
Thankfully I've never seen an actual table flip or even a loud ragequit. If someone flipped a table with my army on it, I'd probably wind up in jail over what happened next. It's a fething game. There's no excuse for destroying someone's property over that.
For me it was entering a tournament for the first time at my FLGS and every single opponent being really nice, helpful and polite. It was awesome, even if I finished 3-4.
This. For me it was checking out my first Start Collecting and having a tournament-level player ask to be my first game(!), run a terrible list to let my first game be a win(!!), and offer a regular biweekly game (!!!). Over a year later, we play at least once every two weeks, and now I even beat him sometimes.
One weird event for me was a 'Necrons vs Imperium' megabattle from back in 3rd(?) edition.
One of the players was an IG player who brought a tank company for his list. He was firing through a gap in the terrain, and racking up a decent kill count when one of the necron players landed a monolith in front of his three main tanks.
The IG player had a few options at this point.
A: Move the tanks to regain line of sight. Splitting up a bit so one monolith didn't block LoS to more than one of them.
B: find a way to kill the monolith.
C: Whine about the situation.
I'm sure all of you can guess that he chose (C), and that led to a wave of necrons crushing our left three turns later.
TBH that sounds like just a urine poor player, not really anything 'weird'.
Honestly I'd normally agree with you, and I've felt the same of a few stories here as well.
I guess it was out of character enough for this guy to stand out.
Racerguy180 wrote: You have won the internet, have an exalt.....truly the weirdest experience of them all!
SirGunslinger wrote: This. For me it was checking out my first Start Collecting and having a tournament-level player ask to be my first game(!), run a terrible list to let my first game be a win(!!), and offer a regular biweekly game (!!!). Over a year later, we play at least once every two weeks, and now I even beat him sometimes.
Racerguy, thanks! I was surprised because (based on what I had read) I was expecting a fair bit of WAAC. SirGunslinger, glad to see I am not alone in finding some genuine, helpful people in the hobby
The weirdest tabletop experience I have had was a 3rd or 4th edition tournament (can't recall...) early 2000s.
I was playing dark eldar, It was game 2 or 3 and I was playing against a very shooty ork list. A lot of the orks and vehicles had grey uniforms. Later I noticed a lot of the grey uniforms had iron cross symbols. A few turns in some orks disembark from some halftrakk/trukks and they have swastikas and I realize I am playing against a bunch of nazi modeled orks.
It was a little weird at the time.
My second weirdest experience involved the short few years I was part of the video game industry working for a small company called Ripcord games. Our production team went to Games Workshop to discuss work on a gorkamorka video game (it was partially created but never released), when they came back they returned with a large amount of unreleased 3rd edition dark eldar plastic models from the boxed set that GW had let them have and just gave them to me unexpectedly. It was one of the most generous gaming moments I had ever had. This was a positive weird experience.
Weirdest was a tournament where I came dead last and the organiser/shop owner gave me the "getting last" prize.
Then immediately took it back and laughed at me because he'd given me the winner prize, then gave me nothing. This was in front of everyone. What a total witch.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Weirdest was a tournament where I came dead last and the organiser/shop owner gave me the "getting last" prize.
Then immediately took it back and laughed at me because he'd given me the winner prize, then gave me nothing. This was in front of everyone. What a total witch.
Never went back there.
I dunno, it does seem kind of funny, in a tough love way. Like he was trying to encourage you to win first prize next time, but without actually sayong so
Trying to play a game with a newer player in 8th. Just a pick up game so my list wasn't tailered to be the softest but just taking it easy on not using any strategums etc.
Except this was the game were my dice decided to be on championship form, I couldn't fail a roll for some reason.
5 hits turned into 4 wounds while needing 6's type stuff.
I think that's excessive pick up 5 new dice and yeah still 3 from 5.
What made it even worse was they couldn't seem to roll anything they needed, rolling 3d6 pick the highest two for shots and they got 3. Psychic tests oh yeah then they get double 6's.
Maybe it's lack of skill on mypart but I couldn't think of a way to throw the game harder. Like when your ignoring multiple units in your list it gets super obvious your trying to give them a chance and they're still loosing.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Weirdest was a tournament where I came dead last and the organiser/shop owner gave me the "getting last" prize.
Then immediately took it back and laughed at me because he'd given me the winner prize, then gave me nothing. This was in front of everyone. What a total witch.
Never went back there.
I dunno, it does seem kind of funny, in a tough love way. Like he was trying to encourage you to win first prize next time, but without actually sayong so
"tough love" is a dogwhistle for abuse. In this case it just seems like having fun at the expense of a poor schmuck that came last (in a game that's as well suited to competitive play as monopoly no less).
Years ago, had a 'fun' combat patrol game with my 13th company warband. Can't remember who I faced, maybe marines or chaos? Anyway who is faced isnt relevant.
My dice were tzeentchian. Simultaneously, with whatever attacks I made, I never failed to inflict wounds. I could also never pass any save I had to make from any attacks against me. Literally. Opposite dice spikes at both sides of a game.
The lack of empathy and self-awareness in many of these stories (and in some of the posters here) really highlights some problems in the hobby (and wider) community. Especially regarding their perceptions of and approach to interacting with neurodivergent individuals. Honestly, it’s painful reading some of these posts and the reactions to them, like something from the 1950s in terms of understanding.
I’m still boggling at someone above actually calling people with ASD mutants and describing how they would be murdered in the 40K universe - not just because there are clearly ASD Dakka users but also because it’s really one of those thoughts that you probably shouldn’t put into writing as it’s abhorrent.
Horla wrote: The lack of empathy and self-awareness in many of these stories (and in some of the posters here) really highlights some problems in the hobby (and wider) community. Especially regarding their perceptions of and approach to interacting with neurodivergent individuals. Honestly, it’s painful reading some of these posts and the reactions to them, like something from the 1950s in terms of understanding.
I’m still boggling at someone above actually calling people with ASD mutants and describing how they would be murdered in the 40K universe - not just because there are clearly ASD Dakka users but also because it’s really one of those thoughts that you probably shouldn’t put into writing as it’s abhorrent.
You are being too harsh on people here, I think there is plenty of empathy shown here, perhaps you just didn't snes it ? What I am sensing though is a bit of a white knight syndrom arising from your post.
Please keep energy you seem to have that for when you see someone get picked on or mugged in the bus or something. It will be a better time and place for it my friend.
'The spectrum' is a very fluid target though, it wasn't long ago that it simply didn't exist in medical knowledge/diagnosis.
How weird can you be and still be 'normal', the term 'neural divergent' being used as the current polite term is extremely broad and only compounds the point.
Do any of us actually think the same way, regardless of how normal we are? Nope.
Although I don't think this thread should be dragged into discussions of this.
My weirdest gaming experience probably comes from a kid that was most definitely getting large handouts from mum and dad. Every time a new (OP) army was released, he'd turn up the next week with an army of very badly built, entirely unpainted, miniatures.
Then, either his interpretation of rules was horrific, or he deliberately misread everything. I suspect the latter because he always left his codex at home and his mistakes were always to his significant advantage despite being quite explicitly explained in the rules "oh it's S8 no saves allowed" instead of the S4 AP- stated by the rules type stuff.
The weirdest bit though was one time he brought in a Razorback he'd bought, and just glued all the guns haphazardly over it. He claimed that WYSIWYG is a rule that states you need to run the model with all the weapons it's equipped with.
I tried to argue that, no, WYSIWYG means you need to build it to match the rules, not the other way around.
So he called over the store manager and asked something to the affect of "WYSIWYG is a rule right?" the manager, who had a job to do, just replied "yup" and went back to his customer before I could clarify what was being asked.
H.B.M.C. wrote: At the same time, simply declaring "Oh, that person must be on the spectrum!" is a cop-out.
Some people are just fething weird.
Which generaly means they have some sort of a disorder. On my card it says autism and social behaviour other. Only the doctor and my mom, probably know what the second one means.
But you are right, just being wierd should not be a free card to be acting wierd in public, and specially to live people. That is why self control is IMO the most important thing, if you don't know what and how to do stuff, then maybe it is a good idea limit the ways in which you can do them. Safer for you, and other people. Can't really imagine the world working in another way, because people handing each other notes about what they okey and not okey, as a hello would kind of a break any forms of interaction in real time.
How weird can you be and still be 'normal', the term 'neural divergent' being used as the current polite term is extremely broad and only compounds the point.
Oh you can be totaly bonkers, but if you make specific people a lot of money or are important to the state, you can practicaly do what ever you want. A real famous pro sports person who kill a person, well maybe not in the open with a lot of people around, and walk free, as long as in the end he generates enough income for his company. Actors, musicians, big execs are wierd people. One person goes to jail for 30dag of weed, and here is sir Paul McCartney getting caught with three times as much of a hard drug, and all he gets is slap on the wrists and a you better not let us catch you again.
This will be my only reply on the topic again as you're right, it's off topic but it is important, even if you cannot get your head around that yet.
H.B.M.C. wrote:At the same time, simply declaring "Oh, that person must be on the spectrum!" is a cop-out.
Some people are just fething weird.
There's weird and then there's a situation where there's clear clinical indications, even from a small interaction like playing a game with them.
addnid wrote:You are being too harsh on people here, I think there is plenty of empathy shown here, perhaps you just didn't snes it ? What I am sensing though is a bit of a white knight syndrom arising from your post.
Please keep energy you seem to have that for when you see someone get picked on or mugged in the bus or something. It will be a better time and place for it my friend.
I feel that blaming me of being a "white knight" reflects your crappy attitude rather than mine. If you think anyone showing solidarity with people living with such disorders is some kind of woke posturing or whatever, then you are mistaken. My day job sees me working with people who have very severe neurodevelopmental disorders and the one thing that families and patients want is some level of normality. My wife works with a disabilities service and mostly works with people with ASD. I live with a neurodevelopmental disorder (not ASD but one that has been targeted for eugenics and genocide in the past). So to see ASD individuals being labelled as "mutants" above is horrendous (and apparently go unchallenged about it), if you can't see that then you need then my "white knighting" is not the problem here.
kirotheavenger wrote:'The spectrum' is a very fluid target though, it wasn't long ago that it simply didn't exist in medical knowledge/diagnosis.
How weird can you be and still be 'normal', the term 'neural divergent' being used as the current polite term is extremely broad and only compounds the point.
Do any of us actually think the same way, regardless of how normal we are? Nope.
I think this is a very blasé dismissal of what neurodivergent means (largely ASD and ADHD, the vast majority with a clinical diagnosis rather than self-identification). The idea of the spectrum is not new or even that fluid, in fact it goes back through most of the medical literature in the 20th century but only started being called a "spectrum" in the 90s/00s. I feel you are confusing personality (which is part of but by no means the only part of ASD) with neurodivegence, which is where there is a fundamental divergence on a developmental level (when the brain is forming connections and establishing its networks) that results in differences at the behavioural and the cognitive level. It is a spectrum because there is a range of changes that can occur in the developmental program leading from the very mild to the really severe (who you are not going to see playing games anywhere).
Karol wrote:But you are right, just being wierd should not be a free card to be acting wierd in public, and specially to live people. That is why self control is IMO the most important thing, if you don't know what and how to do stuff, then maybe it is a good idea limit the ways in which you can do them. Safer for you, and other people. Can't really imagine the world working in another way, because people handing each other notes about what they okey and not okey, as a hello would kind of a break any forms of interaction in real time.
I agree it shouldn't be a free pass but equally we need to adjust environments to be more inclusive - and this includes our games stores, clubs, and tournaments. If supermarkets can have an ASD-friendly hour every day where they stop the loud announcements, reduce the lights, etc. then why can't there be a games night in a store operating in the same way. It's not entirely up to the person with any disorder to do all the hard work, society needs to try and meet them in the middle. One of the things we've been looking at doing is working with a local shop to set up an inclusive D&D evening.
Okay. I'm done and I'm kicking my soapbox into the corner.
Something that came up in me, even if it is more of a store experience than a tabletop experience: not to long ago I was the weird one myself I guess. I was in a nice big LGS looking through stuff, when a guy beside me asked one of the store guys which colors he would recommend for Skin. Back then I was already well in my "darkskinned IG" project and pretty satified with the different shades I had achieved so far. A bit hyped about that I joined the chat uninvited and started showing him some pics and talking about the colors I used. In that very moment I didn't thought about that but it must have been pretty weird and the other guys showed it. So should by any circumstance you read this, random customer: I'm sorry, I'm just a bit nerdy at times.
Horla wrote: This will be my only reply on the topic again as you're right, it's off topic but it is important, even if you cannot get your head around that yet.
H.B.M.C. wrote:At the same time, simply declaring "Oh, that person must be on the spectrum!" is a cop-out.
Some people are just fething weird.
There's weird and then there's a situation where there's clear clinical indications, even from a small interaction like playing a game with them.
No one playing a game with someone else for a couple hours has any business making 'clinical' assessments. That's a really offensive and outright dangerous thing to suggest.
HBMC is right. Sometimes people are just weird or trying to be funny. They don't need to be diagnosed, categorized and sent off for processing & drugs while playing a game in their off time. Even if they're acting 'off.'
I agree it shouldn't be a free pass but equally we need to adjust environments to be more inclusive
A big part of real inclusion is just taking people as they are, not trying to define and corral them into categories to be 'treated.' Especially not casual acquaintances (at best) you bump into in a shop sometimes.
Yes, it is important to be open to all sorts of people. There however comes a stage when 'normal', as in, untrained randos like me and most posters here, really can't be expected to be able to deal with some behaviours. Yes, in a way, it isn't at all nice to ask people who don't meet certain standards to not show up for events and the like, but there also are all the other people (including, in shops and the like, minors) who also want to enjoy themselves.
Horla wrote: The lack of empathy and self-awareness in many of these stories (and in some of the posters here) really highlights some problems in the hobby (and wider) community. Especially regarding their perceptions of and approach to interacting with neurodivergent individuals. Honestly, it’s painful reading some of these posts and the reactions to them, like something from the 1950s in terms of understanding.
I’m still boggling at someone above actually calling people with ASD mutants and describing how they would be murdered in the 40K universe - not just because there are clearly ASD Dakka users but also because it’s really one of those thoughts that you probably shouldn’t put into writing as it’s abhorrent.
Now hold just one effing minute. You are definitely going the the white knight route. You're the type of person who would get brought along to a comedy show and get visibly angry because the show host made a sexism joke. Learn to take a joke and take things with a grain of salt. When people make jokes, even below the belt jokes they are not a result of ones real opinion.
It was a "funny" observation that i noticed because thats how the empire in the lore works, that the empire of man dont look kindly to people with disabilities, yet people with disabilities for some reason still like space marines, the front fighters of the same empire. Somehow rather than loving Eldar or Chaos or Tau. In the same way that i would find it odd that people from capitalist America would mainly play Tau which ressembles communism. I dont know if they do play Tau the most, but if they did. Does my last comment about America and Tau somehow make me a racist towards Americans? According to you, it probably does!
So i think you should chill the heck out and stop pretending to sit on a pedestal, being some foremost expert on humanbeings who are in need of help. It was a funny observation, nothing more. and yes i said funny and you will call me out for it, but your humor clearly isnt the same as mine. I believe we must be able to make jokes with each other because only that way can we get avoid conversations being as minefields.
I dont go around in my every day life and call people with disabilities mutants, and screw you for making the implication that i somehow do. Ive taught people with disabilities and most of those understood a joke or a funny comment when they see one. They also made funny comments about me and that made me happy, because it meant they felt comfortable around me. Granted those disabilities were severely reduced cognitive functions, ADHD and dyslectic (is that how its spelled?) people and not people with downs syndrome or something heavier to deal with, but ive been in that environment.
There might be some heavy hitters who would never take a joke, but ive never met them, and i cant plan my comments on dakkadakka based on whether someone like that might stumble upon my comment.
But im not a super serious person, i tend to have fun and make jokes here and then, and what i said was only ever meant as a joking observation.
But according to you, if i make a "dead baby joke" that must mean i must HATE all kids and babies right? including my tiny nephew? feth him right?
No, thats not how it works at all. Making a joke is exactly that, a joke. Im not secretly a sadist who would vote for a facist dictatorship if the chance ever came.
You know, in general, if you offend someone, it's appropriate to apologize. Especially if you didn't intend to cause offense-you can have a discussion about whether or not it was appropriate to say what you said, and if you like, try to convince the other person to not be as sensitive... But you should apologize first.
To get this thread more on topic, something positive and odd (speaking relative to what I'd expect from most places) is that I once left my car's lights on when I went into a GW for some gaming. When I left for the night, the battery was dead. However, since the folk I was with were friendly, one of them helped me get my car jumpstarted-not something I'd expect if that happened at, say, a grocery store or something. I feel like there's a little more camaraderie in a gaming store than there is at most places-you actually make friends there, rather than just smiling and being polite to the people you run into.
Also, if I don't consider any of the experiences I've had really all that odd, does that mean I'm the odd one? Because there is always one...
JNAProductions wrote: You know, in general, if you offend someone, it's appropriate to apologize. Especially if you didn't intend to cause offense-you can have a discussion about whether or not it was appropriate to say what you said, and if you like, try to convince the other person to not be as sensitive... But you should apologize first.
To get this thread more on topic, something positive and odd (speaking relative to what I'd expect from most places) is that I once left my car's lights on when I went into a GW for some gaming. When I left for the night, the battery was dead. However, since the folk I was with were friendly, one of them helped me get my car jumpstarted-not something I'd expect if that happened at, say, a grocery store or something. I feel like there's a little more camaraderie in a gaming store than there is at most places-you actually make friends there, rather than just smiling and being polite to the people you run into.
Also, if I don't consider any of the experiences I've had really all that odd, does that mean I'm the odd one? Because there is always one...
The only one i saw who got offended was him and he definitely dont deserve an apology the way he pretends to be high and mighty. the other guy, didnt understand it as a joke and simply left it at that. Im unsure if anyone else even read the comment which is.. what it is.
Im happy that people helped you out with your car though. Nice of them. Ive never had any odd, or highly odd, at least, encounters either, so i guess that makes the both of us the odd one out if there has to be one.
In the same way that i would find it odd that people from capitalist America would mainly play Tau which ressembles communism.
wait, what about Tau resembles communism? I've heard the joke before but I thought it was just meming. They have a caste system for goodness' sake.
maybe i should have said Marxism instead of communism, i dont know it was written a bit fast. At least, all people in the Tau empire have a designated role and a use, the same as Marxism and often communism intended to do, in its core. I know theres more to it, but they just give all people a role and try to work towards some great socalist society ish thing. again, it was a joke, yet a terrible one i guess.
but then again i didnt fully think through that Tau point, so its fine if you destroy my comment by saying communism is different from the Tau empire. i deserve that lol.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Weirdest was a tournament where I came dead last and the organiser/shop owner gave me the "getting last" prize.
Then immediately took it back and laughed at me because he'd given me the winner prize, then gave me nothing. This was in front of everyone. What a total witch.
Never went back there.
Witches are awesome, don't throw shade at us over some jackass.
JNAProductions wrote: You know, in general, if you offend someone, it's appropriate to apologize. Especially if you didn't intend to cause offense-you can have a discussion about whether or not it was appropriate to say what you said, and if you like, try to convince the other person to not be as sensitive... But you should apologize first.
To get this thread more on topic, something positive and odd (speaking relative to what I'd expect from most places) is that I once left my car's lights on when I went into a GW for some gaming. When I left for the night, the battery was dead. However, since the folk I was with were friendly, one of them helped me get my car jumpstarted-not something I'd expect if that happened at, say, a grocery store or something. I feel like there's a little more camaraderie in a gaming store than there is at most places-you actually make friends there, rather than just smiling and being polite to the people you run into.
Also, if I don't consider any of the experiences I've had really all that odd, does that mean I'm the odd one? Because there is always one...
The only one i saw who got offended was him and he definitely dont deserve an apology the way he pretends to be high and mighty.
Cronch wrote: "Some people are weird"...why?
Every behavior comes from something. Saying "it's just weird" is like going "oh they're sad" when someone's depressed.
Anyway, I don't think anyone mentioned anything about "treating" people except treating them right?
where it comes from doesn't matter. If I start talking to myself in public, people, being human, judge that under 5 sec of noticing. Explaing why I could be doing that, takes a lot longer. Plus, no one who doesn't know you, cares. Well maybe if your big or important, they will treat you different. No one bothers a 210cm dude talking to himself.
About halfway through this thread. There’s some weird stories alright. Guess I got one to add before reading the rest.
It was a game I played of apoc back when it was fairly new. We where something like 6 players and decided to go with Imperium vs everything else. I noticed that one of the chaos players had saint celestine in his army. I guess it’s fine being apoc rules wise. Always liked the idea of fallen SoB. I thought it a little odd that the guys Celestine was not converted at all, nor painted in chaos colours. He also had no other SoB models in his army. So I asked if he liked the model and if it was some kind of fluff character thing for his army. He said nope. He was playing it with the Saint Celestine rules because it was Saint Celestine. He’d decided that the special character had fallen to chaos and now served his chaos marine warband. He appeared dead serious. He later changed his mind, because he realized his backstory for including her was unlikely. It’s not as weird as some other stories here but I still remember how odd it was. Guy really seemed to take the lore seriously too.
Voss wrote:No one playing a game with someone else for a couple hours has any business making 'clinical' assessments. That's a really offensive and outright dangerous thing to suggest.
I wasn’t saying that but pointing out that weird and diagnosable are not the same thing and can look quite different when you actually stop and pay attention. It goes without saying, but I’ll say it anyway, you need a lot more than two hours to diagnose anything psychological and you can’t do it by observation alone. However, generally you can get the broad strokes of a person if you are trained to look for it.
A big part of real inclusion is just taking people as they are, not trying to define and corral them into categories to be 'treated.' Especially not casual acquaintances (at best) you bump into in a shop sometimes.
I take your point but I do think that inclusion has to go further than that - it’s not just a case of taking them as they are but adjusting to better accommodate their needs and their difficulties. Like you put in wheelchair ramps, you don’t just accept wheelchair users as they are as you walk up the steps and leave them behind.
Beardedragon wrote:
Horla wrote: The lack of empathy and self-awareness in many of these stories (and in some of the posters here) really highlights some problems in the hobby (and wider) community. Especially regarding their perceptions of and approach to interacting with neurodivergent individuals. Honestly, it’s painful reading some of these posts and the reactions to them, like something from the 1950s in terms of understanding.
I’m still boggling at someone above actually calling people with ASD mutants and describing how they would be murdered in the 40K universe - not just because there are clearly ASD Dakka users but also because it’s really one of those thoughts that you probably shouldn’t put into writing as it’s abhorrent.
Now hold just one effing minute. You are definitely going the the white knight route. You're the type of person who would get brought along to a comedy show and get visibly angry because the show host made a sexism joke. Learn to take a joke and take things with a grain of salt. When people make jokes, even below the belt jokes they are not a result of ones real opinion.
It was a "funny" observation that i noticed because thats how the empire in the lore works, that the empire of man dont look kindly to people with disabilities, yet people with disabilities for some reason still like space marines, the front fighters of the same empire. Somehow rather than loving Eldar or Chaos or Tau. In the same way that i would find it odd that people from capitalist America would mainly play Tau which ressembles communism. I dont know if they do play Tau the most, but if they did. Does my last comment about America and Tau somehow make me a racist towards Americans? According to you, it probably does!
So i think you should chill the heck out and stop pretending to sit on a pedestal, being some foremost expert on humanbeings who are in need of help. It was a funny observation, nothing more. and yes i said funny and you will call me out for it, but your humor clearly isnt the same as mine. I believe we must be able to make jokes with each other because only that way can we get avoid conversations being as minefields.
I dont go around in my every day life and call people with disabilities mutants, and screw you for making the implication that i somehow do. Ive taught people with disabilities and most of those understood a joke or a funny comment when they see one. They also made funny comments about me and that made me happy, because it meant they felt comfortable around me. Granted those disabilities were severely reduced cognitive functions, ADHD and dyslectic (is that how its spelled?) people and not people with downs syndrome or something heavier to deal with, but ive been in that environment.
There might be some heavy hitters who would never take a joke, but ive never met them, and i cant plan my comments on dakkadakka based on whether someone like that might stumble upon my comment.
But im not a super serious person, i tend to have fun and make jokes here and then, and what i said was only ever meant as a joking observation.
But according to you, if i make a "dead baby joke" that must mean i must HATE all kids and babies right? including my tiny nephew? feth him right?
No, thats not how it works at all. Making a joke is exactly that, a joke. Im not secretly a sadist who would vote for a facist dictatorship if the chance ever came.
Had a game with a guy, got my butt whipped, but we then chatted about painting for a hour after the game, then he ran me through some little simulations on the games table to coach me a bit. We then chatted about your work, found out we do similar things (legal) but were at different stages of our careers.
Fast forward a year or so, and we regularly play in the tournament scene against each other (I've even beaten him a couple of times!). We both still run RG, but have both started getting into 'Nids, so we swap lists, models etc. online. Groovy. Best bit: he still gives me painting and tactical tips (as he is a MUCH better painter and player than me!) and I give him tips for is IRL job, help with case strategy etc.
The weirdest game for me was a few years back against a lass I know who plays Drukhari. The game was the usual kind of game, nothing special to call out and I don’t even remember if I won (she usually beats me). What stood out to me was the absolute level of creepiness from the other people there. There were those who kept interrupting her to compliment her army, picking up her minis while still on the board to say how nice she painted them and a full blown hair sniffer who complimented her on her shampoo.
I swear it was the creepiest and most awkward game I ever had and I got sick of telling people to F off and stop hanging round like a bunch of sex pests. It was that bad I had to make sure she got in her car and left safely!
Needless to say, we never played at that club again. Freaks.
Sumilidon wrote: The weirdest game for me was a few years back against a lass I know who plays Drukhari. The game was the usual kind of game, nothing special to call out and I don’t even remember if I won (she usually beats me). What stood out to me was the absolute level of creepiness from the other people there. There were those who kept interrupting her to compliment her army, picking up her minis while still on the board to say how nice she painted them and a full blown hair sniffer who complimented her on her shampoo.
I swear it was the creepiest and most awkward game I ever had and I got sick of telling people to F off and stop hanging round like a bunch of sex pests. It was that bad I had to make sure she got in her car and left safely!
Needless to say, we never played at that club again. Freaks.
It is stories like this that make me worry about my daughters, who both love painting warhammer miniatures with me and have expressed an interest in learning the game :(
Yeah, it's really sad. One of wife's coworkers was interested in playing Nids. all it took was for her to play a couple of games @ flgs where she was made to feel very uncomfortable/ogled and if I had been there when it happened i would've admonished the social inept jerkwads who couldn't keep their proverbial dicks in their pants.
And then they wonder why women might be less than enthused to play????
I missed this experience but everyone confirmed:
Crowded game night ten years ago, and everyone groans a bit as the most annoying kid on the planet makes his entrance. probably 14, with the social skills of a drunk chupacabra, he began making his inquisitive rounds.
needless to say within ten minutes he grabbed a guys AT-43 model off the table in the middle of the game, and dropped it accidentally on the floor.
Tiamat broke into a dozen pieces; the Therians were no more.
Now I understand the guy is going to get pissed, but he began screaming and frantically dialing on his phone. Everyone soon realized he had called 911 demanding police come and arrest the perp.
I live in a violent city and they have no time for such errors in judgement; the dispachter hung up on him.
Eventually the kids dad was summoned and he gave the dude a pair of twenty dollar bills.
The store in question balked on banning the kid despite our cries for another six months. It ended nearly as dramatically as the scene above.
Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.
Also i think there's a lot of cases where a guy playing against a woman is a kobayashi maru for him.
If he loses, he gets joked about not being able to beat a woman.
If he just absolutely stomps her army into the ground some people criticize him for driving women out of the hobby. He just can't 'win" in some cases.
Nerak wrote:About halfway through this thread. There’s some weird stories alright. Guess I got one to add before reading the rest.
It was a game I played of apoc back when it was fairly new. We where something like 6 players and decided to go with Imperium vs everything else. I noticed that one of the chaos players had saint celestine in his army. I guess it’s fine being apoc rules wise. Always liked the idea of fallen SoB. I thought it a little odd that the guys Celestine was not converted at all, nor painted in chaos colours. He also had no other SoB models in his army. So I asked if he liked the model and if it was some kind of fluff character thing for his army. He said nope. He was playing it with the Saint Celestine rules because it was Saint Celestine. He’d decided that the special character had fallen to chaos and now served his chaos marine warband. He appeared dead serious. He later changed his mind, because he realized his backstory for including her was unlikely. It’s not as weird as some other stories here but I still remember how odd it was. Guy really seemed to take the lore seriously too.
From the perspective of fan fluff, she could work well in a Word Bearers army as a daemon prince. Give her the Mark of Khorne and the Ar'gath relic sword.
Matt Swain wrote: Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.
Also i think there's a lot of cases where a guy playing against a woman is a kobayashi maru for him.
If he loses, he gets joked about not being able to beat a woman.
If he just absolutely stomps her army into the ground some people criticize him for driving women out of the hobby. He just can't 'win" in some cases.
Or, crazy idea here...
Treat women like anyone else. If you lose to her, cool, hope you had a good game. If you win against her, cool, hope you had a good game.
blaktoof wrote: The weirdest tabletop experience I have had was a 3rd or 4th edition tournament (can't recall...) early 2000s.
My second weirdest experience involved the short few years I was part of the video game industry working for a small company called Ripcord games. Our production team went to Games Workshop to discuss work on a gorkamorka video game (it was partially created but never released), when they came back they returned with a large amount of unreleased 3rd edition dark eldar plastic models from the boxed set that GW had let them have and just gave them to me unexpectedly. It was one of the most generous gaming moments I had ever had. This was a positive weird experience.
Unreleased 3rd Edition Dark Eldar Plastics? Would you care to describe these beauties?
Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.
My weirdest tabletop experience I have ever had is coming on dakkadakka and reading this, and not seeing any indication that it's a (bad) joke or sarcasm.
JNAProductions wrote: You know, in general, if you offend someone, it's appropriate to apologize. Especially if you didn't intend to cause offense-you can have a discussion about whether or not it was appropriate to say what you said, and if you like, try to convince the other person to not be as sensitive... But you should apologize first.
In this case I think we will have to agree to disagree on apologizing. There are definitely cases were I have caused offence and been in the wrong, and there I would apologize. However in current culture imo to many people are offended far too easily or are looking to be offended and personally feel no obligation to apologize to everyone that is offended by what I say/wear/do. I would take it case by case. I agree very much that there is a comraderie within the gaming community however.
Matt Swain wrote: Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.
Also i think there's a lot of cases where a guy playing against a woman is a kobayashi maru for him.
If he loses, he gets joked about not being able to beat a woman.
If he just absolutely stomps her army into the ground some people criticize him for driving women out of the hobby. He just can't 'win" in some cases.
Or, crazy idea here...
Treat women like anyone else. If you lose to her, cool, hope you had a good game. If you win against her, cool, hope you had a good game.
A lot of guys are willing to do that, it's other players who giver them the fecal MRE later.
Matt Swain wrote: Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.
Also i think there's a lot of cases where a guy playing against a woman is a kobayashi maru for him.
If he loses, he gets joked about not being able to beat a woman.
If he just absolutely stomps her army into the ground some people criticize him for driving women out of the hobby. He just can't 'win" in some cases.
Not sure calling someone an incel really ranks the same as sniffing someones hair without permission?
Matt Swain wrote: Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.
Also i think there's a lot of cases where a guy playing against a woman is a kobayashi maru for him.
If he loses, he gets joked about not being able to beat a woman.
If he just absolutely stomps her army into the ground some people criticize him for driving women out of the hobby. He just can't 'win" in some cases.
Or, crazy idea here...
Treat women like anyone else. If you lose to her, cool, hope you had a good game. If you win against her, cool, hope you had a good game.
Rihgu wrote: My weirdest tabletop experience I have ever had is coming on dakkadakka and reading this, and not seeing any indication that it's a (bad) joke or sarcasm.
Mine is reading this thread and watching it devolve from cringy incidental stories to a full-on asinine "It was just a joke!" defense of making light of the neurologically atypical that brought democracy of all things into it.
JNAProductions wrote: Treat women like anyone else. If you lose to her, cool, hope you had a good game. If you win against her, cool, hope you had a good game.
This. So. Much. This.
It's pretty sad that in over 6 years of playing 40k, I've only ever had the chance to play exactly one game vs. a woman. And I played it just the same as if my opponent was a man. In point of fact I crushed her, but that was not because I was trying to beat up on a girl, but rather because it was a tournament and she brought a pretty bad Grey Knights list vs. my Dark Angels/Knight Gallant/Guard combo back when the CP farm was a thing. She seemed like a very cool person and seemed to enjoy the game despite the beating I handed her. It made me regretful that there weren't more women in the hobby, but then I thought about other stories like the one previously mentioned and realized that most of them get pretty creeped out because neckbeards can't stop staring at their boobs or whatever. SMH
Matt Swain wrote: Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.
Also i think there's a lot of cases where a guy playing against a woman is a kobayashi maru for him.
If he loses, he gets joked about not being able to beat a woman.
If he just absolutely stomps her army into the ground some people criticize him for driving women out of the hobby. He just can't 'win" in some cases.
Not sure calling someone an incel really ranks the same as sniffing someones hair without permission?
Yes. There are a lot of guys who will never have a relationship with a woman, maybe they lack this indefinable quality called charisma, maybe they're unattractive, maybe women just don;t like them but there are a lot of guys who are just condemned to a life of involuntary celibacy. When someone, especially a woman, taunts them over it, it hurts.
We're supposed to be so sympathetic and understanding to every group on earth, respect them, etc. But hey, a guy can;t ger a date? Revel is his suffering!
Matt Swain wrote: Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.
Also i think there's a lot of cases where a guy playing against a woman is a kobayashi maru for him.
If he loses, he gets joked about not being able to beat a woman.
If he just absolutely stomps her army into the ground some people criticize him for driving women out of the hobby. He just can't 'win" in some cases.
Not sure calling someone an incel really ranks the same as sniffing someones hair without permission?
Yes. There are a lot of guys who will never have a relationship with a woman, maybe they lack this indefinable quality called charisma, maybe they're unattractive, maybe women just don;t like them but there are a lot of guys who are just condemned to a life of involuntary celibacy. When someone, especially a woman, taunts them over it, it hurts.
We're supposed to be so sympathetic and understanding to every group on earth, respect them, etc. But hey, a guy can;t ger a date? Revel is his suffering!
In my experience, a woman calling a man an incel is almost always in reaction to inappropriate behaviour by that man towards her. That's my experience. Yours may be different. I see no needs to "respect" inappropriate behavior and support calling it out and, yes, calling someone an incel is a way to call out such behaviour the same way as calling someone a gronk, yobbo, bogan, dill weed or sour puss can be.
Edit to add: The appropriateness (or not) of using such labels as a method/short hand way to call out inappropriate behaviour can vary according to the circumstances, and clearly people can have different opinions. Based on what I have seen in this thread, and IRL, the term incel is usually an appropriate way to call out inappropriate male behaviour without resorting to further escalation or physical relation.
Nerak wrote:About halfway through this thread. There’s some weird stories alright. Guess I got one to add before reading the rest.
It was a game I played of apoc back when it was fairly new. We where something like 6 players and decided to go with Imperium vs everything else. I noticed that one of the chaos players had saint celestine in his army. I guess it’s fine being apoc rules wise. Always liked the idea of fallen SoB. I thought it a little odd that the guys Celestine was not converted at all, nor painted in chaos colours. He also had no other SoB models in his army. So I asked if he liked the model and if it was some kind of fluff character thing for his army. He said nope. He was playing it with the Saint Celestine rules because it was Saint Celestine. He’d decided that the special character had fallen to chaos and now served his chaos marine warband. He appeared dead serious. He later changed his mind, because he realized his backstory for including her was unlikely. It’s not as weird as some other stories here but I still remember how odd it was. Guy really seemed to take the lore seriously too.
From the perspective of fan fluff, she could work well in a Word Bearers army as a daemon prince. Give her the Mark of Khorne and the Ar'gath relic sword.
Absolutely. That would be cool. Was nothing like that going on though. I think the guy just had a Celestine lying around and thought to bring her. It’s fine rule wise in an apoc game but weird if you have everything chaos themed except for a single hero.
Beardedragon wrote: While its not entirely on point with the thread, how much money do you guys spend on average on this unholy sinkhole we call a hobby?
Im a bit scared to try and add up my own numbers per month.
in the grim darkness of far future there is only... the destruction of mens wallets.
Maybe start a new thread for this? I think the topic is worth discussing, but not in a thread that has a different topic which has been derailed into "what insults are acceptable".
have an exalt for the level of crazy involved
