What is the weirdest tabletop experience you have ever had against another person?

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**Sumilidon**

The weirdest game for me was a few years back against a lass I know who plays Drukhari. The game was the usual kind of game, nothing special to call out and I don’t even remember if I won (she usually beats me). What stood out to me was the absolute level of creepiness from the other people there. There were those who kept interrupting her to compliment her army, picking up her minis while still on the board to say how nice she painted them and a full blown hair sniffer who complimented her on her shampoo.

I swear it was the creepiest and most awkward game I ever had and I got sick of telling people to F off and stop hanging round like a bunch of sex pests. It was that bad I had to make sure she got in her car and left safely!

Needless to say, we never played at that club again. Freaks.

**XeonDragon**

Sumilidon wrote:
The weirdest game for me was a few years back against a lass I know who plays Drukhari. The game was the usual kind of game, nothing special to call out and I don’t even remember if I won (she usually beats me). What stood out to me was the absolute level of creepiness from the other people there. There were those who kept interrupting her to compliment her army, picking up her minis while still on the board to say how nice she painted them and a full blown hair sniffer who complimented her on her shampoo.

I swear it was the creepiest and most awkward game I ever had and I got sick of telling people to F off and stop hanging round like a bunch of sex pests. It was that bad I had to make sure she got in her car and left safely!

Needless to say, we never played at that club again. Freaks.

It is stories like this that make me worry about my daughters, who both love painting warhammer miniatures with me and have expressed an interest in learning the game :(

**Racerguy180**

Yeah, it's really sad. One of wife's coworkers was interested in playing Nids. all it took was for her to play a couple of games @ flgs where she was made to feel very uncomfortable/ogled and if I had been there when it happened i would've admonished the social inept jerkwads who couldn't keep their proverbial dicks in their pants.

And then they wonder why women might be less than enthused to play????

**Shrapnelsmile**

I missed this experience but everyone confirmed:
Crowded game night ten years ago, and everyone groans a bit as the most annoying kid on the planet makes his entrance. probably 14, with the social skills of a drunk chupacabra, he began making his inquisitive rounds.

needless to say within ten minutes he grabbed a guys AT-43 model off the table in the middle of the game, and dropped it accidentally on the floor.
Tiamat broke into a dozen pieces; the Therians were no more.

Now I understand the guy is going to get pissed, but he began screaming and frantically dialing on his phone. Everyone soon realized he had called 911 demanding police come and arrest the perp.

I live in a violent city and they have no time for such errors in judgement; the dispachter hung up on him.

Eventually the kids dad was summoned and he gave the dude a pair of twenty dollar bills.

The store in question balked on banning the kid despite our cries for another six months. It ended nearly as dramatically as the scene above.

**Matt Swain**

Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.

Also i think there's a lot of cases where a guy playing against a woman is a kobayashi maru for him.

If he loses, he gets joked about not being able to beat a woman.

If he just absolutely stomps her army into the ground some people criticize him for driving women out of the hobby. He just can't 'win" in some cases.

**ArcaneHorror**

Nerak wrote:About halfway through this thread. There’s some weird stories alright. Guess I got one to add before reading the rest.

It was a game I played of apoc back when it was fairly new. We where something like 6 players and decided to go with Imperium vs everything else. I noticed that one of the chaos players had saint celestine in his army. I guess it’s fine being apoc rules wise. Always liked the idea of fallen SoB. I thought it a little odd that the guys Celestine was not converted at all, nor painted in chaos colours. He also had no other SoB models in his army. So I asked if he liked the model and if it was some kind of fluff character thing for his army. He said nope. He was playing it with the Saint Celestine rules because it was Saint Celestine. He’d decided that the special character had fallen to chaos and now served his chaos marine warband. He appeared dead serious. He later changed his mind, because he realized his backstory for including her was unlikely. It’s not as weird as some other stories here but I still remember how odd it was. Guy really seemed to take the lore seriously too.

From the perspective of fan fluff, she could work well in a Word Bearers army as a daemon prince. Give her the Mark of Khorne and the Ar'gath relic sword.

**JNAProductions**

Matt Swain wrote:
Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.

Also i think there's a lot of cases where a guy playing against a woman is a kobayashi maru for him.

If he loses, he gets joked about not being able to beat a woman.

If he just absolutely stomps her army into the ground some people criticize him for driving women out of the hobby. He just can't 'win" in some cases.

Or, crazy idea here...

Treat women like anyone else. If you lose to her, cool, hope you had a good game. If you win against her, cool, hope you had a good game.

**cuda1179**

blaktoof wrote:
The weirdest tabletop experience I have had was a 3rd or 4th edition tournament (can't recall...) early 2000s.

My second weirdest experience involved the short few years I was part of the video game industry working for a small company called Ripcord games. Our production team went to Games Workshop to discuss work on a gorkamorka video game (it was partially created but never released), when they came back they returned with a large amount of unreleased 3rd edition dark eldar plastic models from the boxed set that GW had let them have and just gave them to me unexpectedly. It was one of the most generous gaming moments I had ever had. This was a positive weird experience.

Unreleased 3rd Edition Dark Eldar Plastics? Would you care to describe these beauties?

**Rihgu**

Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.

My weirdest tabletop experience I have ever had is coming on dakkadakka and reading this, and not seeing any indication that it's a (bad) joke or sarcasm.

**WhiteHaven**

JNAProductions wrote:
You know, in general, if you offend someone, it's appropriate to apologize. Especially if you didn't intend to cause offense-you can have a discussion about whether or not it was appropriate to say what you said, and if you like, try to convince the other person to not be as sensitive... But you should apologize first.

In this case I think we will have to agree to disagree on apologizing. There are definitely cases were I have caused offence and been in the wrong, and there I would apologize. However in current culture imo to many people are offended far too easily or are looking to be offended and personally feel no obligation to apologize to everyone that is offended by what I say/wear/do. I would take it case by case. I agree very much that there is a comraderie within the gaming community however.

**Matt Swain**

JNAProductions wrote:
Matt Swain wrote:
Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.

Also i think there's a lot of cases where a guy playing against a woman is a kobayashi maru for him.

If he loses, he gets joked about not being able to beat a woman.

If he just absolutely stomps her army into the ground some people criticize him for driving women out of the hobby. He just can't 'win" in some cases.

Or, crazy idea here...

Treat women like anyone else. If you lose to her, cool, hope you had a good game. If you win against her, cool, hope you had a good game.

A lot of guys are willing to do that, it's other players who giver them the fecal MRE later.

**yukishiro1**

What year are people in your part of the world living in? 1950?

**XeonDragon**

Matt Swain wrote:
Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.

Also i think there's a lot of cases where a guy playing against a woman is a kobayashi maru for him.

If he loses, he gets joked about not being able to beat a woman.

If he just absolutely stomps her army into the ground some people criticize him for driving women out of the hobby. He just can't 'win" in some cases.

Not sure calling someone an incel really ranks the same as sniffing someones hair without permission?

**Jidmah**

JNAProductions wrote:
Matt Swain wrote:
Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.

Also i think there's a lot of cases where a guy playing against a woman is a kobayashi maru for him.

If he loses, he gets joked about not being able to beat a woman.

If he just absolutely stomps her army into the ground some people criticize him for driving women out of the hobby. He just can't 'win" in some cases.

Or, crazy idea here...

Treat women like anyone else. If you lose to her, cool, hope you had a good game. If you win against her, cool, hope you had a good game.

Yeah this. Treat all gamers as gamers.

**CEO Kasen**

Rihgu wrote:
My weirdest tabletop experience I have ever had is coming on dakkadakka and reading this, and not seeing any indication that it's a (bad) joke or sarcasm.

Mine is reading this thread and watching it devolve from cringy incidental stories to a full-on asinine "It was just a joke!" defense of making light of the neurologically atypical that brought democracy of all things into it.

I think this may not be a good thread.

**H.B.M.C.**

Well this thread is slowly sinking into hell.

Well done folks...

**ZergSmasher**

JNAProductions wrote:
Treat women like anyone else. If you lose to her, cool, hope you had a good game. If you win against her, cool, hope you had a good game.

This. So. Much. This.

It's pretty sad that in over 6 years of playing 40k, I've only ever had the chance to play exactly one game vs. a woman. And I played it just the same as if my opponent was a man. In point of fact I crushed her, but that was not because I was trying to beat up on a girl, but rather because it was a tournament and she brought a pretty bad Grey Knights list vs. my Dark Angels/Knight Gallant/Guard combo back when the CP farm was a thing. She seemed like a very cool person and seemed to enjoy the game despite the beating I handed her. It made me regretful that there weren't more women in the hobby, but then I thought about other stories like the one previously mentioned and realized that most of them get pretty creeped out because neckbeards can't stop staring at their boobs or whatever. SMH

**Matt Swain**

XeonDragon wrote:
Matt Swain wrote:
Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.

Also i think there's a lot of cases where a guy playing against a woman is a kobayashi maru for him.

If he loses, he gets joked about not being able to beat a woman.

If he just absolutely stomps her army into the ground some people criticize him for driving women out of the hobby. He just can't 'win" in some cases.

Not sure calling someone an incel really ranks the same as sniffing someones hair without permission?

Yes. There are a lot of guys who will never have a relationship with a woman, maybe they lack this indefinable quality called charisma, maybe they're unattractive, maybe women just don;t like them but there are a lot of guys who are just condemned to a life of involuntary celibacy. When someone, especially a woman, taunts them over it, it hurts.

We're supposed to be so sympathetic and understanding to every group on earth, respect them, etc. But hey, a guy can;t ger a date? Revel is his suffering!

**XeonDragon**

Matt Swain wrote:
XeonDragon wrote:
Matt Swain wrote:
Well, talking about women getting treated in uncomfrtsble ways in gaming, some of them have been know to make 'incel' slurs at gamers too, so it goes both ways.

Also i think there's a lot of cases where a guy playing against a woman is a kobayashi maru for him.

If he loses, he gets joked about not being able to beat a woman.

If he just absolutely stomps her army into the ground some people criticize him for driving women out of the hobby. He just can't 'win" in some cases.

Not sure calling someone an incel really ranks the same as sniffing someones hair without permission?

Yes. There are a lot of guys who will never have a relationship with a woman, maybe they lack this indefinable quality called charisma, maybe they're unattractive, maybe women just don;t like them but there are a lot of guys who are just condemned to a life of involuntary celibacy. When someone, especially a woman, taunts them over it, it hurts.

We're supposed to be so sympathetic and understanding to every group on earth, respect them, etc. But hey, a guy can;t ger a date? Revel is his suffering!

In my experience, a woman calling a man an incel is almost always in reaction to inappropriate behaviour by that man towards her. That's my experience. Yours may be different. I see no needs to "respect" inappropriate behavior and support calling it out and, yes, calling someone an incel is a way to call out such behaviour the same way as calling someone a gronk, yobbo, bogan, dill weed or sour puss can be.

Edit to add: The appropriateness (or not) of using such labels as a method/short hand way to call out inappropriate behaviour can vary according to the circumstances, and clearly people can have different opinions. Based on what I have seen in this thread, and IRL, the term incel is usually an appropriate way to call out inappropriate male behaviour without resorting to further escalation or physical relation.

**Nerak**

ArcaneHorror wrote:
Nerak wrote:About halfway through this thread. There’s some weird stories alright. Guess I got one to add before reading the rest.

It was a game I played of apoc back when it was fairly new. We where something like 6 players and decided to go with Imperium vs everything else. I noticed that one of the chaos players had saint celestine in his army. I guess it’s fine being apoc rules wise. Always liked the idea of fallen SoB. I thought it a little odd that the guys Celestine was not converted at all, nor painted in chaos colours. He also had no other SoB models in his army. So I asked if he liked the model and if it was some kind of fluff character thing for his army. He said nope. He was playing it with the Saint Celestine rules because it was Saint Celestine. He’d decided that the special character had fallen to chaos and now served his chaos marine warband. He appeared dead serious. He later changed his mind, because he realized his backstory for including her was unlikely. It’s not as weird as some other stories here but I still remember how odd it was. Guy really seemed to take the lore seriously too.

From the perspective of fan fluff, she could work well in a Word Bearers army as a daemon prince. Give her the Mark of Khorne and the Ar'gath relic sword.

Absolutely. That would be cool. Was nothing like that going on though. I think the guy just had a Celestine lying around and thought to bring her. It’s fine rule wise in an apoc game but weird if you have everything chaos themed except for a single hero.

**Beardedragon**

While its not entirely on point with the thread, how much money do you guys spend on average on this unholy sinkhole we call a hobby?

Im a bit scared to try and add up my own numbers per month.

in the grim darkness of far future there is only... the destruction of mens wallets.

**Jidmah**

Beardedragon wrote:
While its not entirely on point with the thread, how much money do you guys spend on average on this unholy sinkhole we call a hobby?

Im a bit scared to try and add up my own numbers per month.

in the grim darkness of far future there is only... the destruction of mens wallets.

Maybe start a new thread for this? I think the topic is worth discussing, but not in a thread that has a different topic which has been derailed into "what insults are acceptable".

**Vaktathi**

Methinks this thread has gotten more than a wee bit...weird. I'm going to call it here for this one if people don't mind.