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Post by: GaroRobe
Apologies if already posted.
There's one for AOS, and a slightly cheaper one for 40k. Does anyone recall what was included in last year's supply drops?
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Oh wow, I bought two(?) of these when they did it last time, I was very happy with what I got. As I recall each type was limited to one per person.
Is it just for the USA this time?
I remember the usual suspects on Dakka saying how terrible the value would end up being. They were wrong.
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Post by: diepotato47
I bought the 40K one, got value. A Knight, two Scout Boxes, and two Primaris Characters (Khan and Shrike iirc). Sold the Knight and Scouts for a profit, kept the characters for kitbashing. Worth my while.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
IIRC the value of the kits was around twice retail.
I'm not seeing them on any of the GW sites though?
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Post by: Flinty
If you do a google search it pops up on the Australian site for A$ 205.
Switching directly to the uk site breaks it.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Any chance of a link?
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Post by: diepotato47
Not the Australian site, the New Zealand site Automatically Appended Next Post: Now available in Aus
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Post by: Chopxsticks
Will these be dropping on the US site and do we know when?
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Post by: Arbitrator
Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I remember the usual suspects on Dakka saying how terrible the value would end up being. They were wrong.
I remember a lot of people being disappointed with the AoS and Underworlds ones mostly being accessory tat.
The 40k ones were pretty okay I think?
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Last page of the previous thread on this has the contents of the AUS and UK boxes: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/510/790752.page#10895523
They were described as 'Imperium' themed then, now they just seem to be ' 40k', so I expect there'll be more of a random mish-mash of factions.
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Post by: Rolsheen
40k one is sold out in Aus
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Post by: deleted20250424
Do these just go live at 12am in respective areas?
12am EST for U.S. I'm guessing?
[Edit] Japan has 4 different boxes: AoS Aelves, AoS Grand Alliance, 40k, and Underworld.
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Post by: Danny76
Sound interesting. Maybe I’ll take a plunge if the Uk shows any
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Post by: Shakalooloo
They're up on the UK. But dangerous apparantly, so they must contain spray or tools or something?
Didn't bother coming up with a non-Underworld-logo picture for the AoS box, huh?
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Post by: Dudeface
Shakalooloo wrote:They're up on the UK. But dangerous apparantly, so they must contain spray or tools or something?
I had the 40k one in the basket to buy but didn't want to purchase additional random extras for the sakes of it so bailed.
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Post by: xttz
Shakalooloo wrote:They're up on the UK. But dangerous apparantly, so they must contain spray or tools or something?
Yeah it wouldn't let me check out unless I'd added something else. Luckily I needed more Khorne red anyway so it was an easy fix.
Fingers crossed for something Khorne-y to go with it!
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Post by: Shakalooloo
xttz wrote:Fingers crossed for something Khorne-y to go with it!
GW clearing out all the old Berzerkers!
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Post by: Rolsheen
We didn't get the Warcry or the Aelves one in Australia, which is annoying because I would have grab the Warcry one straight away. Also they weren't dangerous so must be something different to the UK ones.
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Post by: Danny76
A Warcry one I’d get as I have nothing for Warcry.
But that isn’t a box
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Post by: MarkNorfolk
40k one is out already.
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Post by: Flinty
Hah. It wasn’t available, I took the dog for a walk, and now it is sold out
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Post by: Brickfix
I wanted to grab one but had to choose something in addition because of the "dangerous product" warning. In the meantime it sold out ...
Maybe that's a good thing and I can invest my funds into something I actually need
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Post by: diepotato47
Shame we didn’t get the Aelves box in Australia, I’d have grabbed that in a hot second.
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Post by: Overread
Personally I feel like the Underworld set might be the best one to randomly get as you'd get "functional" blocks of models in there that you could pair up with random cards for some casual fun in the game.
But overall the other 3 are too broad in categories for my tastes to gamble on the contents. If there was a Xenos one for 40K I might go for them (necrons, tyranids and smatterings of genestealer cultists and eldar and I'd have a fairly good chance of getting stuff I could use).
A Death Grand Alliance one would also work out pretty neat
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Post by: Arbitrator
Problem with the Underworlds box is they might still include the old teams which don't have any cards. Seen folks saying it is classified as a 'dangerous' item at the checkout so it probably has a spray can taking away some of the value.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Arbitrator wrote: Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I remember the usual suspects on Dakka saying how terrible the value would end up being. They were wrong.
I remember a lot of people being disappointed with the AoS and Underworlds ones mostly being accessory tat.
The 40k ones were pretty okay I think?
If you think that getting 40k models for half price is "pretty okay"...well, I guess you're a bit of a glass half empty kind of guy
I mean, isn't that better than or equal to trade price?
The underworlds one was listed at the time as being models and accessories, so they made that clear?
GW defo can't please everyone, but from your comments they can never please you.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Hm, tempted. But the rational side of my brain keeps telling me for £75 i could get three or four boxes of stuff i actually want rather than trying my luck on a loot box.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Flinty wrote:Hah. It wasn’t available, I took the dog for a walk, and now it is sold out 
How does one "sell out" of a box filled with random stuff?
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Post by: Arbitrator
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: Arbitrator wrote: Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I remember the usual suspects on Dakka saying how terrible the value would end up being. They were wrong.
I remember a lot of people being disappointed with the AoS and Underworlds ones mostly being accessory tat. The 40k ones were pretty okay I think? If you think that getting 40k models for half price is "pretty okay"...well, I guess you're a bit of a glass half empty kind of guy I mean, isn't that better than or equal to trade price? The underworlds one was listed at the time as being models and accessories, so they made that clear? GW defo can't please everyone, but from your comments they can never please you.
It's 'okay' because unless you're someone who only buys to paint it's kind pretty so-so if you're getting stuff you're not interested in or don't collect. Yeah you can sell it on but so is everybody else who bought the box. Plus the value is against full RRP rather than the 10-20% you can get from discounters which hurts it somewhat. They made nothing clear. You could have got a deck box and everything else be models. Or it could have been entirely tat except for one model. Not being clear is kind of the point of these loot boxes. But I'm sure GW could literally defecate in the box and you'd thank them for it. H.B.M.C. wrote: Flinty wrote:Hah. It wasn’t available, I took the dog for a walk, and now it is sold out 
How does one "sell out" of a box filled with random stuff?
They're not truly random. Every box in a region/country gets the same contents. It's just they're already expected to sell out or pulled from sale before people get them and can 'spoil' what is inside.
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Post by: Overread
H.B.M.C. wrote: Flinty wrote:Hah. It wasn’t available, I took the dog for a walk, and now it is sold out 
How does one "sell out" of a box filled with random stuff?
Because this is a physical product not a digital product of course.
That of you've been at the new years celebrations far too long and need some water and rest to let your mind recover
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Overread wrote:Because this is a physical product not a digital product of course.
It's a box full of random stuff from the warehouse, not a new or newly packaged product.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Arbitrator wrote: Undead_Love-Machine wrote: Arbitrator wrote: Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I remember the usual suspects on Dakka saying how terrible the value would end up being. They were wrong.
I remember a lot of people being disappointed with the AoS and Underworlds ones mostly being accessory tat.
The 40k ones were pretty okay I think?
If you think that getting 40k models for half price is "pretty okay"...well, I guess you're a bit of a glass half empty kind of guy
I mean, isn't that better than or equal to trade price?
The underworlds one was listed at the time as being models and accessories, so they made that clear?
GW defo can't please everyone, but from your comments they can never please you.
It's 'okay' because unless you're someone who only buys to paint it's kind pretty so-so if you're getting stuff you're not interested in or don't collect. Yeah you can sell it on but so is everybody else who bought the box.
They made nothing clear. You could have got a deck box and everything else be models. Or it could have been entirely tat except for one model. Not being clear is kind of the point of these loot boxes.
They made it VERY clear in the previous "Loot drop" that the Underworlds box was not only models but also gaming aids. Yes, the point of these loot boxes is that you don't know exactly what you are getting, well done for stating the obvious.
Arbitrator wrote:But I'm sure GW could literally defecate in the box and you'd thank them for it.
No thanks, I'm not into that.
Let me make something clear to you: when your opinion is always negative your opinion is effectively worthless.
And before you accuse me of the opposite (again), my post history is far from being all positive.
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Post by: Flinty
Yeah, obviously there is a set sling of warehouse floor scrapings that are available to be poured into the boxes
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Post by: xttz
Presumably in order for them to ship this week, the stock for these boxes is already prepared just waiting for the shipping labels. GW aren't just sending pickers to grab random stuff off warehouse shelves, there will be a short list of items ready to go. There will be a finite number of each box they can sell in each region.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Flinty wrote:Hah. It wasn’t available, I took the dog for a walk, and now it is sold out 
Says temp out of stock, not sold out. So maybe they'll throw some more together.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Flinty wrote:Hah. It wasn’t available, I took the dog for a walk, and now it is sold out 
Says temp out of stock, not sold out. So maybe they'll throw some more together.
I hope so, but I doubt it.
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Post by: Greenfield
H.B.M.C. wrote: Overread wrote:Because this is a physical product not a digital product of course.
It's a box full of random stuff from the warehouse, not a new or newly packaged product.
Because random and infinite aren't the same thing? The drops are probably put together from warehouse overstocks and the like, so once that stuff has gone that's it. Just because a retailer is selling a product with random contents it doesn't follow that they're throwing everything they have into them.
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Post by: Overread
H.B.M.C. wrote: Overread wrote:Because this is a physical product not a digital product of course.
It's a box full of random stuff from the warehouse, not a new or newly packaged product.
The GW Warehouse is a magical wonderful place, but even GW haven't harnessed the power of a dimensional portal to the realm of infinite sprue to just fill infinite boxes with.
Again its a physical product, once the stock allocated for it is gone its, well, gone. Considering its likely GW clearing overstock they likely boxed it all up already and are just selling off X amount of boxes to clear space in their warehouse for a new production year and all.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Overread wrote:
The GW Warehouse is a magical wonderful place, but even GW haven't harnessed the power of a dimensional portal to the realm of infinite sprue to just fill infinite boxes with.
I'm liking this new version of you.
It's like you woke up one day and thought "logic and reasoning just doesn't work with these people, I need to stoop to their level"
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Post by: ingtaer
Can we just not instead? Would be a wonderful start to the new year to not have a n&r thread cluttered up with the usual tired nonsense.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Overread wrote:The GW Warehouse is a magical wonderful place, but even GW haven't harnessed the power of a dimensional portal to the realm of infinite sprue to just fill infinite boxes with.
Cool... that's helpful.
Overread wrote:Again its a physical product, once the stock allocated for it is gone its, well, gone. Considering its likely GW clearing overstock they likely boxed it all up already and are just selling off X amount of boxes to clear space in their warehouse for a new production year and all.
I would've thought their extra stuff would have lasted more than a few hours. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by: Danny76
It’s clear from the start they’ve said limited stock.
It’s not random stuff, it’s mystery content.
So they can easily run out of however many of a box they prepared.
Random is an entirely different thing.
No need to bash GW (as usual) when they’ve actually done discount deal boxes which by last year were great offerings really.
Personally I won’t go for it in the end. Too much random option in there that I may end up not using etc.
Elves is cool but there are various factions that could be, would it be a mix or would you get all Idoneth and so on.
Underworlds is a possible. If no accessory bags etc this time then even better. I’d happily have a spray in there too as they’re always useful.
That’s gonna be what. Maybe a starter box, a single warband, and then a spray and some paint, or a deck of cards etc.
The only issue is repeats there. If it’s only S5 and S6, then I’d be fine as I never got any. But too unknowns..
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Post by: tneva82
Only idoneth is least likely. Too good of a value then  rather mix of elves.
Tempted but too much for my taste for gambling.
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Post by: Breotan
* Supply Drops are only available in the UK, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and Japan regions.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Breotan wrote: * Supply Drops are only available in the UK, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and Japan regions. Yeah, I thought that was odd. I guess they just didn't want to make enough to meet the expected US demand?
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Post by: MonkeyBallistic
I’d get the Aelves one if I knew it only contained Daughters of Khaine and/or Idoneth. There’s too much of a risk that what it actually contains is left over old wood elf kits and stupid looking cow elves.
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Post by: Geifer
Tannhauser42 wrote: Breotan wrote:
* Supply Drops are only available in the UK, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and Japan regions.
Yeah, I thought that was odd. I guess they just didn't want to make enough to meet the expected US demand?
Not sure that works as an explanation. They didn't make enough to meet the expected anywhere demand.
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Post by: Scrub
Are the old High/Dark elves considered to be solely 'Cities of Sigmar' these days?
Quite a few of the older Warhammer kits I wouln't mind getting my hands on, the new bovine elves... not so much!
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Post by: TwilightSparkles
It does say that the order one is themed so hopefullly it’s a coherent lot.
My expectation is that it’ll be older cities of Sigmar and Stormcast probably.
Aelf box ….. I’d expect Lumineth
Ordered one of each so will see ! 40K one seems to have been out of stock since they went live this morning on U.K. store so who knows ?
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Post by: Overread
Tannhauser42 wrote: Breotan wrote:
* Supply Drops are only available in the UK, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and Japan regions.
Yeah, I thought that was odd. I guess they just didn't want to make enough to meet the expected US demand?
Considering supply drops are more likely the result of excess stock at warehouses it likely means that the USA warehouse has no major overstocks in any one product line to make it worth doing any kind of drop-bundle discount.
Remember GW's products are valid all year round and don't depreciate after release. As a result this is purely them clearing floorspace and nothing more. They aren't clearing out christmas jumpers before the Easter-egg themed ones stock in; or clearing out winter clothes for the spring line or such. They also have no reason to over-produce to meet demand for these kidn of releases; they don't have to maximise productivity to meet demand for 50% off prices when they can just produce at a regular rate and sell at 100% or trade prices etc..
This is just sweeping out the warehouse. It's a great deal for people who might have multiple armies and can find value in a grab-bag of models within a niche; or for those who are painters/collectors who really don't care if models fit into armies or such. Heck those who do a lot of bits crafting and such might also love this kind of release to get a boatload of bits on the cheap.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
All but the Aelf one are gone.
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Post by: Irbis
No one mentioned it might be the lizards?
I'd expect GW to dump old, bad sculpts of units they are about to replace with teased brand new stuff...
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Post by: Theophony
H.B.M.C. wrote: Flinty wrote:Hah. It wasn’t available, I took the dog for a walk, and now it is sold out 
How does one "sell out" of a box filled with random stuff?
In typical fashion they underestimated the demand and didn’t produce enough boxes  .
Wonder if any might have scented candles in them?
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Theophony wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote: Flinty wrote:Hah. It wasn’t available, I took the dog for a walk, and now it is sold out 
How does one "sell out" of a box filled with random stuff?
In typical fashion they underestimated the demand and didn’t produce enough boxes  .
You don't understand what's going on, do you?
The whole point of these is to clear excess stock.
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Post by: BorderCountess
The 'Elf' box is probably a bunch of old High/Dark/Wood Elves that are about to be replaced by an updated Cities of Sigmar line. So, I wouldn't mind being able to get my hands on one, if they'd been available in the US...
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
I feel this is going to be less excess stock and more like clearing out old empire high/dark elf stuff for the arrival of Cities of Sigmar. For the Aelf and Order boxes anyway.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Manfred von Drakken wrote:The 'Elf' box is probably a bunch of old High/Dark/Wood Elves that are about to be replaced by an updated Cities of Sigmar line. So, I wouldn't mind being able to get my hands on one, if they'd been available in the US...
I was thinking the same, fortunately I was able to pick one up. Too late for the 40k one though, oh well!
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Inquisitor Gideon wrote:I feel this is going to be less excess stock and more like clearing out old empire high/dark elf stuff for the arrival of Cities of Sigmar. For the Aelf and Order boxes anyway.
Well, yes...it's all in the "excess stock" category isn't it?
I got the elves and order boxes, I'll be over the moon if it's all Cities of Sigmar stuff. I'm getting really excited about incoming new range, but equally I want to make sure that I get all of the current stuff before it's no longer available.
I hope it's not Lizardmen stuff like Irbis suggested...
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Post by: xttz
I found the 2020 lists for the "Imperium supply drop":
Australians got:
Knight Castellan
Kor'saaro Khan
Kayvaan Shrike
Scouts
Scouts with sniper rifles
The UK/Ireland version was:
Marine bikes
Arco-flagellants
Fenris wolves
Adrax Agatone
Master Lazarus
Mephiston
Khan (UK)
ETB Redemptor dread (Ireland)
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Post by: Irbis
I really don't think it's Cities. Last time I checked they were on concept art stage and won't come for quite a bit yet. Lizards are around the corner judging by big teaser. Also, last year the random boxes were almost all brand new items GW overproduced, so it's probably cow or shark elves. I'd bet on shark ones because Lumineth used to be very strong and sold well. Unless of course they stopped selling that good after nerf
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
You may well be correct. I wouldn't be sad about receiving any sort of elves though, be they cow or sea variants.
I'm expecting both Sigmarines and Lizardmen in the order bundle (but hope for neither), but either way if I'm unhappy I'll be able to get back at least what I paid unless I'm very unlucky.
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Post by: Smokestack
no US... :( booo
I want the elves or underworlds boxes... would want the order one too, but don't need any more Stormcast.
I mean these would have probably sold out before i could have gotten one anyway... but...
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Post by: TwilightSparkles
Not new cities but the old ones , things like dwarfs etc - though thinking about it most of that is direct only so unlikely to be sitting on shelves given WHW has had terrible stock of direct only lines for over a year now.
So yeah , stormcast , seraphon , maybe fyreslayers ? I’m confident the discount will be decent given past versions
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Post by: Pman
I managed to snag one of the 40k boxes, they were sold out by 20 past 10 this morning in the UK. I posted a link in a local whatsapp group about them and within 10 mins they were all sold out.
I'll post on here contents when mine arrives
I collect Ogor and Gloomspites for AOS so didn't bother with those boxes
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Post by: NH Gunsmith
Man. I would love one of those Underworlds boxes.
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Post by: Flinty
Wow… just stumbled across a YouTube video calling these things loot boxes and indicating that GW was the worst company ever.l because of it. Here was me thinking that random grab bags of warehouse sweepings for a steep discount had a long and storied history in retail. Guess clicks gotta be baited.
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Post by: CragHack
In a perfect world, Forge World would also offer these. But...
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Post by: Overread
Flinty wrote:Wow… just stumbled across a YouTube video calling these things loot boxes and indicating that GW was the worst company ever.l because of it. Here was me thinking that random grab bags of warehouse sweepings for a steep discount had a long and storied history in retail. Guess clicks gotta be baited.
The Youtube Algorithm enjoys hate so one of the super easy ways to get clicks and hits is to hate on something or be controversial or such. You can even see where some channels use GW hate videos almost on a rota to boost their viewing numbers
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Post by: Gimgamgoo
Flinty wrote:Wow… just stumbled across a YouTube video calling these things loot boxes and indicating that GW was the worst company ever.l because of it. Here was me thinking that random grab bags of warehouse sweepings for a steep discount had a long and storied history in retail. Guess clicks gotta be baited.
GW do them, Mantic do, I think I saw Warlord Games do some as well.
However, in what way can you say they're not "loot boxes"? You're buying a random box of unknown contents - regardless of what value you or the company say is in it. Isn't that pretty much what loot boxes are?
Shrugs.
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Post by: tneva82
Don't think anybody has claimed they aren't loot boxes?
Were I to get one I would prefer it be random though rather than everybody gets one. But as I'm not exactly target market for these not one to comment
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Gimgamgoo wrote:However, in what way can you say they're not "loot boxes"? You're buying a random box of unknown contents - regardless of what value you or the company say is in it. Isn't that pretty much what loot boxes are?
Shrugs.
They're not random. Each box contents, while unknown to the buyer, is identical to each other box.
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Post by: Overread
Gimgamgoo wrote: Flinty wrote:Wow… just stumbled across a YouTube video calling these things loot boxes and indicating that GW was the worst company ever.l because of it. Here was me thinking that random grab bags of warehouse sweepings for a steep discount had a long and storied history in retail. Guess clicks gotta be baited.
GW do them, Mantic do, I think I saw Warlord Games do some as well.
However, in what way can you say they're not "loot boxes"? You're buying a random box of unknown contents - regardless of what value you or the company say is in it. Isn't that pretty much what loot boxes are?
Shrugs.
A random assortment or at least a grab bag of assorted products from a warehouse which are mostly just clearing overstock on product lines is entirely and utterly different to a digital game selling random digital content which has zero supply aspects attached to it.
They might share a name and the digital version might well have taken part of the concept of them; but functionally they are utterly and entirely different.
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Post by: Flinty
Fair point on the naming semantics, but personally I wouldn’t put this kind of offer in the same category as digital loot boxes, it only for the fact that if you get something that isn’t terribly helpful you can at least flip it through eBay for a reasonable return on the initial box cost. I think a previous poster indicated making more than the original cost on only part of the content of the last set.
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Post by: xttz
Flinty wrote:Fair point on the naming semantics, but personally I wouldn’t put this kind of offer in the same category as digital loot boxes, it only for the fact that if you get something that isn’t terribly helpful you can at least flip it through eBay for a reasonable return on the initial box cost. I think a previous poster indicated making more than the original cost on only part of the content of the last set.
Yeah I've just spot checked a few models in the last mystery drop and there's plenty of those that sell on ebay new-in-box at 75-100% of RRP. In particular the Knight kit sells for more than it cost to buy the entire supply drop in 2020.
If everyone in the same region is getting the same stuff it might take longer, but in time the chances of at least regaining the cash from the initial spend are fairly good.
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Given that the whole UK run sold out in about 15 minutes, I don’t think there will be a noticeable glut on the market
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Post by: Snrub
I would absolutely murder a Heresy mystery box or a Middle-earth box. Absolutely everything would be useful, no wastage at all. Therefore there's no possible way GW would do it.
CragHack wrote:In a perfect world, Forge World would also offer these. But...
Making me drool thinking about it.
It'd be a nightmare for the staff having to deal with all the people needing replacements for warped and miscast bitz though.
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Post by: Danny76
Shakalooloo wrote: Gimgamgoo wrote:However, in what way can you say they're not "loot boxes"? You're buying a random box of unknown contents - regardless of what value you or the company say is in it. Isn't that pretty much what loot boxes are?
Shrugs.
They're not random. Each box contents, while unknown to the buyer, is identical to each other box.
But still fall under the loot box term, while not random.
Loot box isn’t a negative term though, that’s the issue there, that people are linking it to like those loot boxes in video games. That’s the feeling I’m getting.
Rather than linking it to something like Loot Crate, and the many other companies, which is literally also this exact setup and people love it
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Post by: Apple fox
Danny76 wrote: Shakalooloo wrote: Gimgamgoo wrote:However, in what way can you say they're not "loot boxes"? You're buying a random box of unknown contents - regardless of what value you or the company say is in it. Isn't that pretty much what loot boxes are?
Shrugs.
They're not random. Each box contents, while unknown to the buyer, is identical to each other box.
But still fall under the loot box term, while not random.
Loot box isn’t a negative term though, that’s the issue there, that people are linking it to like those loot boxes in video games. That’s the feeling I’m getting.
Rather than linking it to something like Loot Crate, and the many other companies, which is literally also this exact setup and people love it
Any system can be exploitive, and even video game loot boxes/Gacha can be completely different and varied levels.
I think for me, GW is so expensive even when they say double the price. I just think well, I only buy with a discount so that’s like 10/20% off. Then character minis are obscene , so getting one probably cuts a huge chuck of as well.
And the last ones GW did where Avg.
I think PP did ones much better, when completely random it was still all from same faction and included a starter in every one I got.
If GW was more like that, I would be a bit more enthusiastic. They also very much, get fast don’t think which I find anoying.
These ones could be a surprise and very good, but the last ones where not a great box.
We will see I guess.
Unrelated I see so little pictures from the last ones they did I was surprised, like the excitement was gone the instant anyone seen them.
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Post by: Jadenim
I think the difference is that “loot boxes” in computer games are often the only way to get certain items, which is where the negativity comes from (and why they’re banned in a number of countries as gambling). This isn’t that, as there is nothing exclusive in these boxes.
As far as I’m aware, the closest GW has got to “actual” loot boxes is the SM Heroes sets, and even then they made it so you could guarantee getting one of each sculpt by buying a whole box (and advertised that).
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Post by: Apple fox
Jadenim wrote:I think the difference is that “loot boxes” in computer games are often the only way to get certain items, which is where the negativity comes from (and why they’re banned in a number of countries as gambling). This isn’t that, as there is nothing exclusive in these boxes.
As far as I’m aware, the closest GW has got to “actual” loot boxes is the SM Heroes sets, and even then they made it so you could guarantee getting one of each sculpt by buying a whole box (and advertised that).
A lot of loot boxes In games give alternative and garrentee, so it’s the same. Based on the value you give it.
It’s why my big two issues where the way GW did the last ones, 4 for different chapters. Bikes, wolves Arco flagalents. Kinda a bad deal, could have been packed way better. Based on the images floating about.
GW could step it up, and it’s overpriced here as well. So double the price is a bleh.
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Post by: alphaecho
Danny76 wrote: Shakalooloo wrote: Gimgamgoo wrote:However, in what way can you say they're not "loot boxes"? You're buying a random box of unknown contents - regardless of what value you or the company say is in it. Isn't that pretty much what loot boxes are?
Shrugs.
They're not random. Each box contents, while unknown to the buyer, is identical to each other box.
But still fall under the loot box term, while not random.
Loot box isn’t a negative term though, that’s the issue there, that people are linking it to like those loot boxes in video games. That’s the feeling I’m getting.
Rather than linking it to something like Loot Crate, and the many other companies, which is literally also this exact setup and people love it
Warlord Games used to do a monthly one at one point. If I remember they weren't completely randow, ie, one month it would be an Afrika Korps crate. The actual contents were a mystery but if you wanted to start Afrika Korps, it wasn't a bad gamble.
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Post by: Jaredthefox92
GaroRobe wrote:Apologies if already posted.
There's one for AOS, and a slightly cheaper one for 40k. Does anyone recall what was included in last year's supply drops?
I'm getting serious EA styled lootbox vibes from that picture.
Joking aside, isn't 40k tabletop essentially DLC ptw if you think about it on a meta level? I mean it could just be modern day corporate gaming balance practices.
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Post by: xttz
Jaredthefox92 wrote:
I'm getting serious EA styled lootbox vibes from that picture.
Joking aside, isn't 40k tabletop essentially DLC ptw if you think about it on a meta level? I mean it could just be modern day corporate gaming balance practices.
No?
The number of people in this thread who struggle to understand the difference between digital and physical, tangible products is depressingly high.
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Post by: Geifer
I'm more concerned that the picture advertises supply drop crates as opening in mid air. There has to be something in the Geneva Conventions about cluster bombing civilian areas with plasticrack.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
xttz wrote:Jaredthefox92 wrote:
I'm getting serious EA styled lootbox vibes from that picture.
Joking aside, isn't 40k tabletop essentially DLC ptw if you think about it on a meta level? I mean it could just be modern day corporate gaming balance practices.
No?
The number of people in this thread who struggle to understand the difference between digital and physical, tangible products is depressingly high.
If you do not want to compete in official tournaments you can proxy your whole army if you want to, there's no rule that forces you to buy any model from GW at all.
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Post by: EonChao
Geifer wrote:I'm more concerned that the picture advertises supply drop crates as opening in mid air. There has to be something in the Geneva Conventions about cluster bombing civilian areas with plasticrack.
That's why it said you needed to add one none dangerous item to the order.
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Post by: Geifer
EonChao wrote: Geifer wrote:I'm more concerned that the picture advertises supply drop crates as opening in mid air. There has to be something in the Geneva Conventions about cluster bombing civilian areas with plasticrack.
That's why it said you needed to add one none dangerous item to the order.
It's all starting to make sense now.
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Post by: angel of death 007
Smokestack wrote:no US... :( booo
I want the elves or underworlds boxes... would want the order one too, but don't need any more Stormcast.
I mean these would have probably sold out before i could have gotten one anyway... but...
Just like that magazine/ model subscription and everything else. I guess they like just the convenience of making it UK only, even though the majority of sales is in the USA, but GW doesn't really care about its US customers as they have shown for years with the no UK vendors shipping to the USA and the USA 30% tax. Funny thing is all the GW fanboys were commenting when Privateer Press did this... and now their precious GW is doing it.
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Post by: Overread
angel of death 007 wrote: Smokestack wrote:no US... :( booo
I want the elves or underworlds boxes... would want the order one too, but don't need any more Stormcast.
I mean these would have probably sold out before i could have gotten one anyway... but...
Just like that magazine/ model subscription and everything else. I guess they like just the convenience of making it UK only, even though the majority of sales is in the USA, but GW doesn't really care about its US customers as they have shown for years with the no UK vendors shipping to the USA and the USA 30% tax. Funny thing is all the GW fanboys were commenting when Privateer Press did this... and now their precious GW is doing it.
The USA isn't special. UK traders with GW can also not ship to Australia and several other regional areas around the world. This is also pretty common in a lot of market segments. It's a means by which companies can vary prices based on regions without seeing a weaker value currency store suddenly shipping everything overseas to a higher value currency nation because the prices are cheaper for that richer nation.
It has nothing to do with GW having any kind of anti-us bias.
Of course you can argue about if regional pricing is a good/bad thing but you can't just single one firm out for it when multiple firms do it and its often a very normal thing.
The lack of a supply drop for the US is likely just a reflection of the fact that the warehouses out there are very empty and are not overstocked on lines. So there just isn't any excess there.
Or their warehouses are more spread out/smaller and not built for such a system; or perhaps their supply drop is in a week or two's time and wasn't possible to do alongside the others.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Overread wrote:
The lack of a supply drop for the US is likely just a reflection of the fact that the warehouses out there are very empty and are not overstocked on lines. So there just isn't any excess there.
Or their warehouses are more spread out/smaller and not built for such a system; or perhaps their supply drop is in a week or two's time and wasn't possible to do alongside the others.
GW US only has a single warehouse in Memphis. The most likely reason for no US version is the lack of overstocked product.
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Post by: TwilightSparkles
Whilst PP’s boxes were wildly good that was because they essentially cleared a ton of old stock due to low sales and downsizing their warehouse, and now a lot of what they sold isn’t even usable in mark iv. Warlord games themed ones barely offered any saving over the easy to obtain 20% U.K. retailer discounts. Warlord’s actual mystery boxes were very random and largely loose sprues and figures and random old books they couldn’t shift across multiple systems.
Whilst the US is a big market for GW , it’s also the most expensive to get product to. I regularly read users on dakka saying their US FLGS only got 1-3 allocated of something whilst my local store has 10-15 on release day plus preorders. If the US were really super profitable then I guess GW would have more warehousing and supply?
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Post by: Overread
I don't think the USA is the most expensive to get stock too (surely that's Australia and that region); but the USA is a vast market and way more spread out. So I think its just that GW has issues suppling sufficient stock.
I know in the past GW tried to setup a factory in the USA but hit issues of no local skill support so they wound up having to fly technicians and machines back and forth from home base to fix problems and it was just more hassle than its worth. Who knows GW might be training people up for a long term view to moving them toward a USA production hub. There could also be other things (tax, costs, etc....) that hold them back and keep them producing in one spot and shipping out - which in theory can wrk if they can get enough machines.
We also don't see hard sales data, the USA could also be more "bumpy" a market with bigger swings in sales and suddenly no sales in regions which could make it harder to forecast.
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Post by: tneva82
angel of death 007 wrote: Smokestack wrote:no US... :( booo
I want the elves or underworlds boxes... would want the order one too, but don't need any more Stormcast.
I mean these would have probably sold out before i could have gotten one anyway... but...
Just like that magazine/ model subscription and everything else. I guess they like just the convenience of making it UK only, even though the majority of sales is in the USA, but GW doesn't really care about its US customers as they have shown for years with the no UK vendors shipping to the USA and the USA 30% tax. Funny thing is all the GW fanboys were commenting when Privateer Press did this... and now their precious GW is doing it.
Hardly UK only as it's also in europe. And UK+Europe outsells US.
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Post by: JWBS
Stuff is generally more plentiful and inexpensive in the US.
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Post by: JohnnyHell
All depends on where your warehouses are and what they’re overstocked on.
If they’re not overstocked you don’t do a clearance exercise.
Not a conspiracy. Just logistics and commercial nous.
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Post by: xttz
It's also entirely possible that they're just getting low on warehouse space in Europe / Oz, and want to clear some room ready for 10E products later in the year. Meanwhile Memphis may have lots of capacity available.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
xttz wrote:It's also entirely possible that they're just getting low on warehouse space in Europe / Oz, and want to clear some room ready for 10E products later in the year. Meanwhile Memphis may have lots of capacity available.
AFAIK the US is oftentimes not worth the bother with stuff like prize draws, 'random' boxes and the like because at least some US jurisdictions have a reputation for, deservedly or undeserverdly, extremely strict gambling laws that cover a lot of stuff you'd not expect, so doing anything in that vein needs a lot of legal ass-covering if you want to do it right.
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Post by: xttz
Just got an email that my 40k supply drop order has shipped, hopefully it should arrive some time tomorrow.
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Post by: EonChao
Over on TGA a user has reported that their Aelves bundle arrived and contained the Vanguard boxes for Daughters of Khaine and Idoneth Deepkin
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Post by: StraightSilver
EonChao wrote:Over on TGA a user has reported that their Aelves bundle arrived and contained the Vanguard boxes for Daughters of Khaine and Idoneth Deepkin
If that's the case that was a pretty god deal tbh.
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Post by: The_Real_Chris
The old Mantic christmas boxes were great. I managed to furnish an entire school club with boardgames for £10 each with loads of stuff left over (made the fantasy dwarf kings hold original games with them).
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
StraightSilver wrote:EonChao wrote:Over on TGA a user has reported that their Aelves bundle arrived and contained the Vanguard boxes for Daughters of Khaine and Idoneth Deepkin
If that's the case that was a pretty god deal tbh.
Yep, sounds like similar value to last year, half-price or better.
I'll be very happy if it turns out to be true, at this point I have no reason to doubt it.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
I would have jumped on the AoS boxes, but alas no US :(
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Post by: Gorion_Rex
According to some users, the Age of Sigmar: Aelves supply drop in the UK region is two vanguard boxes, one for Daughters of Kaine and one for Deepkin
So with that being said, that is extremely cheap, basically what is a kin to a combat patrol, but double up, for ones price.
If the WH40k one is anything like that, it will be a smash hit for those that got them.
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Post by: Daedalus81
Gorion_Rex wrote:If the WH40k one is anything like that, it will be a smash hit for those that got them.
It's going to be all Reivers and Dark Reapers.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Thinking about it, it would seem that the Vanguard sets haven't been as popular as the Start Collecting sets, at least with some races.
I wonder if this will cause GW to go back to the older style of discount bundle in future (round the £50 mark rather than £80)? The Start Collecting sets were very well received at the time.
Maybe I'm just wishful thinking here
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Post by: Overread
At the same time Daughters of Khaine, whilst featuring really well in the game story and lore, have quite a restricted unit roster in plastics. Many people just don't need the Vanguard set because they've already got those models in buckets.
Idoneth suffer a bit from the same issue; new army, not a huge roster and many have already bought into them.
They are examples of armies that just need the diversity to increase to give existing customers a reason to continue investing and to increase the number of new investors in those armies by diversification.
Same thing that Genestealer Cults had - who at one stage were basically an Imperial Guard army with a few stealers; or which Flesheater Courts suffers from in the extreme (the entire army is pretty much in the getting started set barring 1 leader and 1 small monster)
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Post by: Gorion_Rex
It is just really funny that people keep saying this, because I really think it is unrealistic, even more so with how much heat the UK 40k one got the last time.
That being said, there still potentially could be a meh mixture and maybe a few goodies.. but if you just want to paint and have fun, then it really matters latter.
A lot of people joked with the AoS Aelves drop as well, writing that it would be all cities of sigmar (even if they are not featured in the boxes at all, we could see that at the sigils) but they were also sure about it being extremely akward mixtures of singular units.. they were all wrong ofc.
I don´t particular like mystery boxes btw, I rather they gave us a flat 25-50% off on those specific boxes or would be even more narrowed down to what could be in them, but overall it was a good deal to buy that AoS:A box. Automatically Appended Next Post: Undead_Love-Machine wrote:Thinking about it, it would seem that the Vanguard sets haven't been as popular as the Start Collecting sets, at least with some races.
I wonder if this will cause GW to go back to the older style of discount bundle in future (round the £50 mark rather than £80)? The Start Collecting sets were very well received at the time.
Maybe I'm just wishful thinking here
It might, but if you look at sales, it does seems like Aelves in general is not very popular (atleast in my region) Lumineth are not even popular here, when I look at sales atm, I see all those big Aelves boxes at sale, with only very few other races.
The starter sets most likely are better at the lower pricepoint for most newcomers, unless they like me, have way to much to spend.. but overall most would go for what they want and as cheap as possible.
It makes sense to clean out those boxes, if they wanna do as you suggest, it will be interesting to see what EU and Japan gets.
Overread wrote:At the same time Daughters of Khaine, whilst featuring really well in the game story and lore, have quite a restricted unit roster in plastics. Many people just don't need the Vanguard set because they've already got those models in buckets.
Idoneth suffer a bit from the same issue; new army, not a huge roster and many have already bought into them.
They are examples of armies that just need the diversity to increase to give existing customers a reason to continue investing and to increase the number of new investors in those armies by diversification.
Same thing that Genestealer Cults had - who at one stage were basically an Imperial Guard army with a few stealers; or which Flesheater Courts suffers from in the extreme (the entire army is pretty much in the getting started set barring 1 leader and 1 small monster)
Indeed but they will become more popular, as they grown in lore and units/diversity. I love the look of them, same with Lumi and DoK, they all appeal a lot to me (then again, I am not buying to get a meta build to compete with, I am very casual and painting means just as much for me)
Anyway it will be interesting to see what all boxes contain and if all region are as lucky as with this one we debate here and again with that said, I rather had more discounts than mystery boxes.
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Post by: xttz
My 40k box has arrived, and I'm pretty content. I collect both Orks & GSC, and extra deffkoptas and the saboteur are both models I've nearly bought before.
Hopefully someone at my local club will want Fabius / Darkstrider.
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Post by: Dudeface
xttz wrote:My 40k box has arrived, and I'm pretty content. I collect both Orks & GSC, and extra deffkoptas and the saboteur are both models I've nearly bought before.
Hopefully someone at my local club will want Fabius / Darkstrider.
That's fairly decent really and a good spread all things considered.
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Fabius really didn't sell well eh?
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Post by: Geifer
In my very subjective opinion Australia got the better deal. I would have bought that. The UK one is too mixed for my taste and I wouldn't know what to do with the Orks.
Good thing I don't gamble.
People are boycotting Bill because they remain furious about the absence of his second little helper.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
I've just seen somebody claiming that the AOS Order box contains two Vanguard boxes: Fyreslayers & DoK.
Two Vanguard boxes for £75(?), I would describe those savings as... pretty okay
Also, DoK Vanguard boxes really didn't sell well.
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Geifer wrote:In my very subjective opinion Australia got the better deal. I would have bought that. The UK one is too mixed for my taste and I wouldn't know what to do with the Orks.
Agreed, I'm glad that I couldn't get the 40k one.
At the same time, if I had I could have got my money back + more via ebay.
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Post by: Overread
Just a note but things in these might not just be things that "didn't sell well", just things that are overstocked.
This might mean some of them were selling and are selling well, but the sale rate is lower than the amount of stock GW produced. Without raw numbers for how much of each thing GW produces, we've no idea if its an overstock because people aren't buying them fast enough; or overstock because GW produced way more than normal of them - anticipating higher sales and then not getting them.
That said I can see the DoK not selling out as fast as some because its the same core models as always in the kit; so all existing fans likely don't need the entire set all over again and might be just picking up individual boxe.s
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Yes, I should have said "not selling as well as GW had expected", rather than not selling well.
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Post by: The Phazer
From Reddit, the UK Underworlds set seems to be a copy of Nethermaze and Rivals of Harrowdeep, which seems really good if you're a new or returning player. No dice/card sleeve chaff or anything like the last one. Wish I'd ordered it now. https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerUnderworlds/comments/103vxta/underworlds_supply_drop_content/
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Agreed, that's great value. I expected a significant part of it to be dice and card related stuff so I didn't get one.
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Oh darn wish I'd got one too now as well!
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Post by: Apple fox
Those are some good boxes, just the 40k one being a bit meh.
At least the Australian box is a great start to kill team.
That’s 3 teams isn’t it?
Edit- Ohh it’s havocs, lol don’t think they make a Kill team from the box.
Still not bad there.
But could be better, overpriced characters minis drag the boxes down.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Not impressed with them padding the boxes with overpriced heroes, but it's better than dice or card sleeves
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Post by: Platuan4th
Apple fox wrote:Those are some good boxes, just the 40k one being a bit meh. At least the Australian box is a great start to kill team. That’s 3 teams isn’t it? Edit- Ohh it’s havocs, lol don’t think they make a Kill team from the box. Still not bad there. But could be better, overpriced characters minis drag the boxes down. In addition to those being Havocs, Warzone Moroch is a terrain box, there's no squads in it. It's the exact opposite of a great start to Kill Team.
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Post by: xttz
Yeah the terrain box is cool if you want terrain, but I think it would be harder to resell than the UK drop.
I was expecting to get the old Khorne berzerkers or soon-to-be-obsolete codexes, so I'm fairly relieved
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Platuan4th wrote:Apple fox wrote:Those are some good boxes, just the 40k one being a bit meh.
At least the Australian box is a great start to kill team.
That’s 3 teams isn’t it?
Edit- Ohh it’s havocs, lol don’t think they make a Kill team from the box.
Still not bad there.
But could be better, overpriced characters minis drag the boxes down.
In addition to those being Havocs, Warzone Moroch is a terrain box, there's no squads in it. It's the exact opposite of a great start to Kill Team.
Havocs and a box of walls and hills are a great start to a gunline army tho
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Platuan4th wrote:Apple fox wrote:Those are some good boxes, just the 40k one being a bit meh.
At least the Australian box is a great start to kill team.
That’s 3 teams isn’t it?
Edit- Ohh it’s havocs, lol don’t think they make a Kill team from the box.
Still not bad there.
But could be better, overpriced characters minis drag the boxes down.
In addition to those being Havocs, Warzone Moroch is a terrain box, there's no squads in it. It's the exact opposite of a great start to Kill Team.
……..well. Ok then. That’s a crappy deal, there terrain is way overpriced as well. I was actually thinking I had missed out on something I would have been happy to get.
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Post by: The Phazer
Warzone Moroch was £130 at launch and I thought that was quite decent for GW terrain. The Australian box is fantastic.
You can definitely sell terrain sprues on Ebay easily enough.
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Yeah, as someone who plays at home, discounted terrain has the biggest value, especially since the Fronteris stuff is so overpriced as is.
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Post by: Gorion_Rex
I still think that the UK AoS: Aelves drop is best of them all, it had two vanguard boxes, great for starting out one or more of the Aelves.
The UK 40k one is a bit.. meh.. but if you like Orcs, its actually decent and you can still sell the rest.
The Aussie one I would have disliked, but I am sure that many also will love it.
It will be interesting to see what the EU ends up with, it can be any side of the coin, but I suspect that the AoS: Aelves box is the exact same as the UK (due to overstocking of those two sets)
Platuan4th wrote:Yeah, as someone who plays at home, discounted terrain has the biggest value, especially since the Fronteris stuff is so overpriced as is.
That is a good argument for sure, but I don´t like that particular terrain, so I guess my bias comes in before logic here.. But for those that like it, it is ofc good value.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
The Phazer wrote:Warzone Moroch was £130 at launch and I thought that was quite decent for GW terrain. The Australian box is fantastic.
Interesting as Moroch was so outrageoulsy more expensive than the GW norm they released almost the same box 6 months later as Kill Zone Moroch at half the price
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lord_blackfang wrote: The Phazer wrote:Warzone Moroch was £130 at launch and I thought that was quite decent for GW terrain. The Australian box is fantastic.
Interesting as Moroch was so outrageoulsy more expensive than the GW norm they released almost the same box 6 months later as Kill Zone Moroch at half the price
Apologies, I am getting this one mixed up, you're right! But that box was still £65 right? So that still seems reasonable.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
The Phazer wrote: lord_blackfang wrote: The Phazer wrote:Warzone Moroch was £130 at launch and I thought that was quite decent for GW terrain. The Australian box is fantastic.
Interesting as Moroch was so outrageoulsy more expensive than the GW norm they released almost the same box 6 months later as Kill Zone Moroch at half the price
Apologies, I am getting this one mixed up, you're right! But that box was still £65 right? So that still seems reasonable.
Yes the second Moroch box was pretty great, getting it further discounted is sweet.
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Post by: Danny76
Idoneth and Fyreslayers would have been perfect for two Vanguards for me. But it seems locations got one of them and DoK each time.
Maybe more boxes info arriving will show a few variants per location.
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Danny76 wrote:Idoneth and Fyreslayers would have been perfect for two Vanguards for me. But it seems locations got one of them and DoK each time.
Maybe more boxes info arriving will show a few variants per location.
The Order one is different depending on region UK and Aussies got differently.. (nobody knows about EU yet)
The Aelves only UK is out (nobody knows about the EU one)
I have a hunch that the Aelves one will be the same for all, but the order one will be different.
DoK do seem to be a generel theme all over, so I expect everybody to get that, might have been the least selling Vanguard for them.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Honestly, I'm amazed that they included Vanguard boxes. Remember, these boxes are already discounted, so you are in effect getting a double discount.
When you add up the RRP of the individual units contained in the Vanguard boxes they come to approx £115 for each box: effectively £230 worth of products for the cost of the supply box.
I haven't added up the value of the 40k box but it does seem like 40k got the short end of the stick, both in value and lack of cohesion.
Also, It's off topic, but I remember Start Collecting sets offering a bigger discount than Vanguard boxes? Can anybody confirm?
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Undead_Love-Machine wrote:Also, It's off topic, but I remember Start Collecting sets offering a bigger discount than Vanguard boxes? Can anybody confirm?
Depends on SC. Deathwatch one had amazing value, and Phobos/Stormcast/Khorne/ CSM, being parts of big starter boxes, also had tons of minis for the price. Then there is the fact that Vanguards/Patrols not only are out of impulse spending range, and offer lower discounts than SC, but a lot of the time it's further diluted by including two character minis further eating up supposed worth.
Funnily enough, one of the most amazing value boxes GW did weren't even SC, it was SM unit + vehicle + upgrade sprue boxes they did several holidays ago. Priced barely above the vehicle cost, troop unit and chapter upgrade was almost free and there were no characters to eat up discount - alas, they did nothing like that since
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Post by: Pman
My 40k in the UK box was the same, I collect Chaos and Orks so for me the box was an overall win and a friend of mine does Tau and GSC so its a win overall
The one interesting point tho, why were they listed as dangerous?
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Pman wrote:My 40k in the UK box was the same, I collect Chaos and Orks so for me the box was an overall win and a friend of mine does Tau and GSC so its a win overall
The one interesting point tho, why were they listed as dangerous?
Insidious Xenos. Why would it not be listed as dangerous? No greater threat to humanity.
Except maybe the heretics. They are pretty bad as well.
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Pman wrote:
The one interesting point tho, why were they listed as dangerous?
I guess the Reductus Saboteur?
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Pman wrote:The one interesting point tho, why were they listed as dangerous?
So a buyer is forced to buy something else with them? While I'm not as angry at the 'loot box' itself as some others are, this bit is a little dirty on GW's part.
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It might be a default for Loot Box listings in general? Ergo by default when one is created it gets the dangerous tag because GW might well do one with spraycans.
At which point it could be a simple mistake that they were listed without them.
Or could be something to try and discourage bots and scalpers. Sure nothing in those boxes is true "limited supply" but scalpers are just the kind who'd leap at stuff like that to get a majority of stock on the cheap (remember scalpers aren't those holding trade accounts with GW so they can't get wholesale prices)
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But there was a limit of one per account/address wasn't there, so I think that we can rule out "scalpers"?
Or am I being Naive here?
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wonder what was in the UK elves box
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Undead_Love-Machine wrote:But there was a limit of one per account/address wasn't there, so I think that we can rule out "scalpers"?
Or am I being Naive here?
My understanding is that scalpers often have tricks to get around that - eg changing 1 letter in an address so that it fools the system to make an order (unless reviewed by a human); but doesn't fool the postal system. Another would be having multiple people living at the same address. So suddenly 30 people all living in the same 2 bedroom flat are ordering the same product. So sometimes throwing something else into the works can break the bots they use (which is the other thing, getting their bots to break so that even if they do scalp, they aren't at least scalping right at the launch and it gives legit people as much time as possible to get an order in.
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Post by: Gorion_Rex
Snake & Fish Aelves vanguard boxes.
So a pretty great deal Automatically Appended Next Post: Overread wrote: Undead_Love-Machine wrote:But there was a limit of one per account/address wasn't there, so I think that we can rule out "scalpers"?
Or am I being Naive here?
My understanding is that scalpers often have tricks to get around that - eg changing 1 letter in an address so that it fools the system to make an order (unless reviewed by a human); but doesn't fool the postal system. Another would be having multiple people living at the same address. So suddenly 30 people all living in the same 2 bedroom flat are ordering the same product. So sometimes throwing something else into the works can break the bots they use (which is the other thing, getting their bots to break so that even if they do scalp, they aren't at least scalping right at the launch and it gives legit people as much time as possible to get an order in.
Yep that is correct, they will use various tricks, I am sure that either they put up that warning to annoy scalpers or they did so by mistake.
But lets be honest here, nobody would be entirely annoyed about having to buy 1 paint or 1 brush for a few pounds.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Gorion_Rex wrote:
But lets be honest here, nobody would be entirely annoyed about having to buy 1 paint or 1 brush for a few pounds.
It's not the worst thing in the word, but somewhat bad form not to announce it up-front, and even worse to hide the necessity behind the box being 'dangerous'. In their announcment, GW could simply have told everyone that each box requires an additional purchase, yet they did not. Given the quick sell-out time, I wonder how mnay people missed out on a purchase while they quickly looked for something else to add to their cart.
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Post by: Tygre
Got my AoS supply drop in NZ.
Daughters of Khaine Vanguard box
Fyreslayers Vanguard box
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Post by: Gorion_Rex
Tygre wrote:Got my AoS supply drop in NZ.
Daughters of Khaine Vanguard box
Fyreslayers Vanguard box
That actually seems decent enough as well. Basically 2 for 1.
I still like the Aelves drop more and it has been confirmed that the EU box is the same as the UK one.
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