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no US... :( booo

I want the elves or underworlds boxes... would want the order one too, but don't need any more Stormcast.

I mean these would have probably sold out before i could have gotten one anyway... but...

Not new cities but the old ones , things like dwarfs etc - though thinking about it most of that is direct only so unlikely to be sitting on shelves given WHW has had terrible stock of direct only lines for over a year now.

So yeah , stormcast , seraphon , maybe fyreslayers ? I’m confident the discount will be decent given past versions

I managed to snag one of the 40k boxes, they were sold out by 20 past 10 this morning in the UK. I posted a link in a local whatsapp group about them and within 10 mins they were all sold out.

I'll post on here contents when mine arrives

I collect Ogor and Gloomspites for AOS so didn't bother with those boxes

Man. I would love one of those Underworlds boxes.

Wow… just stumbled across a YouTube video calling these things loot boxes and indicating that GW was the worst company ever.l because of it. Here was me thinking that random grab bags of warehouse sweepings for a steep discount had a long and storied history in retail. Guess clicks gotta be baited.

In a perfect world, Forge World would also offer these. But...

 Flinty wrote:
Wow… just stumbled across a YouTube video calling these things loot boxes and indicating that GW was the worst company ever.l because of it. Here was me thinking that random grab bags of warehouse sweepings for a steep discount had a long and storied history in retail. Guess clicks gotta be baited.

The Youtube Algorithm enjoys hate so one of the super easy ways to get clicks and hits is to hate on something or be controversial or such. You can even see where some channels use GW hate videos almost on a rota to boost their viewing numbers

 Flinty wrote:
Wow… just stumbled across a YouTube video calling these things loot boxes and indicating that GW was the worst company ever.l because of it. Here was me thinking that random grab bags of warehouse sweepings for a steep discount had a long and storied history in retail. Guess clicks gotta be baited.

GW do them, Mantic do, I think I saw Warlord Games do some as well.

However, in what way can you say they're not "loot boxes"? You're buying a random box of unknown contents - regardless of what value you or the company say is in it. Isn't that pretty much what loot boxes are?

Shrugs.

Don't think anybody has claimed they aren't loot boxes?

Were I to get one I would prefer it be random though rather than everybody gets one. But as I'm not exactly target market for these not one to comment

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
However, in what way can you say they're not "loot boxes"? You're buying a random box of unknown contents - regardless of what value you or the company say is in it. Isn't that pretty much what loot boxes are?

Shrugs.

They're not random. Each box contents, while unknown to the buyer, is identical to each other box.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
Wow… just stumbled across a YouTube video calling these things loot boxes and indicating that GW was the worst company ever.l because of it. Here was me thinking that random grab bags of warehouse sweepings for a steep discount had a long and storied history in retail. Guess clicks gotta be baited.

GW do them, Mantic do, I think I saw Warlord Games do some as well.

However, in what way can you say they're not "loot boxes"? You're buying a random box of unknown contents - regardless of what value you or the company say is in it. Isn't that pretty much what loot boxes are?

Shrugs.

A random assortment or at least a grab bag of assorted products from a warehouse which are mostly just clearing overstock on product lines is entirely and utterly different to a digital game selling random digital content which has zero supply aspects attached to it.

They might share a name and the digital version might well have taken part of the concept of them; but functionally they are utterly and entirely different.

Fair point on the naming semantics, but personally I wouldn’t put this kind of offer in the same category as digital loot boxes, it only for the fact that if you get something that isn’t terribly helpful you can at least flip it through eBay for a reasonable return on the initial box cost. I think a previous poster indicated making more than the original cost on only part of the content of the last set.

 Flinty wrote:
Fair point on the naming semantics, but personally I wouldn’t put this kind of offer in the same category as digital loot boxes, it only for the fact that if you get something that isn’t terribly helpful you can at least flip it through eBay for a reasonable return on the initial box cost. I think a previous poster indicated making more than the original cost on only part of the content of the last set.

Yeah I've just spot checked a few models in the last mystery drop and there's plenty of those that sell on ebay new-in-box at 75-100% of RRP. In particular the Knight kit sells for more than it cost to buy the entire supply drop in 2020.

If everyone in the same region is getting the same stuff it might take longer, but in time the chances of at least regaining the cash from the initial spend are fairly good.

Given that the whole UK run sold out in about 15 minutes, I don’t think there will be a noticeable glut on the market

I would absolutely murder a Heresy mystery box or a Middle-earth box. Absolutely everything would be useful, no wastage at all. Therefore there's no possible way GW would do it.

 CragHack wrote:
In a perfect world, Forge World would also offer these. But...

Making me drool thinking about it.
It'd be a nightmare for the staff having to deal with all the people needing replacements for warped and miscast bitz though.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
However, in what way can you say they're not "loot boxes"? You're buying a random box of unknown contents - regardless of what value you or the company say is in it. Isn't that pretty much what loot boxes are?

Shrugs.

They're not random. Each box contents, while unknown to the buyer, is identical to each other box.

But still fall under the loot box term, while not random.

Loot box isn’t a negative term though, that’s the issue there, that people are linking it to like those loot boxes in video games. That’s the feeling I’m getting.
Rather than linking it to something like Loot Crate, and the many other companies, which is literally also this exact setup and people love it

Danny76 wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
However, in what way can you say they're not "loot boxes"? You're buying a random box of unknown contents - regardless of what value you or the company say is in it. Isn't that pretty much what loot boxes are?

Shrugs.

They're not random. Each box contents, while unknown to the buyer, is identical to each other box.

But still fall under the loot box term, while not random.

Loot box isn’t a negative term though, that’s the issue there, that people are linking it to like those loot boxes in video games. That’s the feeling I’m getting.
Rather than linking it to something like Loot Crate, and the many other companies, which is literally also this exact setup and people love it

Any system can be exploitive, and even video game loot boxes/Gacha can be completely different and varied levels.
I think for me, GW is so expensive even when they say double the price. I just think well, I only buy with a discount so that’s like 10/20% off. Then character minis are obscene , so getting one probably cuts a huge chuck of as well.
And the last ones GW did where Avg.
I think PP did ones much better, when completely random it was still all from same faction and included a starter in every one I got.
If GW was more like that, I would be a bit more enthusiastic. They also very much, get fast don’t think which I find anoying.
These ones could be a surprise and very good, but the last ones where not a great box.

We will see I guess.
Unrelated I see so little pictures from the last ones they did I was surprised, like the excitement was gone the instant anyone seen them.

I think the difference is that “loot boxes” in computer games are often the only way to get certain items, which is where the negativity comes from (and why they’re banned in a number of countries as gambling). This isn’t that, as there is nothing exclusive in these boxes.

As far as I’m aware, the closest GW has got to “actual” loot boxes is the SM Heroes sets, and even then they made it so you could guarantee getting one of each sculpt by buying a whole box (and advertised that).

 Jadenim wrote:
I think the difference is that “loot boxes” in computer games are often the only way to get certain items, which is where the negativity comes from (and why they’re banned in a number of countries as gambling). This isn’t that, as there is nothing exclusive in these boxes.

As far as I’m aware, the closest GW has got to “actual” loot boxes is the SM Heroes sets, and even then they made it so you could guarantee getting one of each sculpt by buying a whole box (and advertised that).

A lot of loot boxes In games give alternative and garrentee, so it’s the same. Based on the value you give it.

It’s why my big two issues where the way GW did the last ones, 4 for different chapters. Bikes, wolves Arco flagalents. Kinda a bad deal, could have been packed way better. Based on the images floating about.
GW could step it up, and it’s overpriced here as well. So double the price is a bleh.

Danny76 wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
However, in what way can you say they're not "loot boxes"? You're buying a random box of unknown contents - regardless of what value you or the company say is in it. Isn't that pretty much what loot boxes are?

Shrugs.

They're not random. Each box contents, while unknown to the buyer, is identical to each other box.

But still fall under the loot box term, while not random.

Loot box isn’t a negative term though, that’s the issue there, that people are linking it to like those loot boxes in video games. That’s the feeling I’m getting.
Rather than linking it to something like Loot Crate, and the many other companies, which is literally also this exact setup and people love it

Warlord Games used to do a monthly one at one point. If I remember they weren't completely randow, ie, one month it would be an Afrika Korps crate. The actual contents were a mystery but if you wanted to start Afrika Korps, it wasn't a bad gamble.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Apologies if already posted.


There's one for AOS, and a slightly cheaper one for 40k. Does anyone recall what was included in last year's supply drops?

I'm getting serious EA styled lootbox vibes from that picture.

Joking aside, isn't 40k tabletop essentially DLC ptw if you think about it on a meta level? I mean it could just be modern day corporate gaming balance practices.

Jaredthefox92 wrote:

I'm getting serious EA styled lootbox vibes from that picture.

Joking aside, isn't 40k tabletop essentially DLC ptw if you think about it on a meta level? I mean it could just be modern day corporate gaming balance practices.

No?

The number of people in this thread who struggle to understand the difference between digital and physical, tangible products is depressingly high.

I'm more concerned that the picture advertises supply drop crates as opening in mid air. There has to be something in the Geneva Conventions about cluster bombing civilian areas with plasticrack.

 xttz wrote:

Jaredthefox92 wrote:

I'm getting serious EA styled lootbox vibes from that picture.

Joking aside, isn't 40k tabletop essentially DLC ptw if you think about it on a meta level? I mean it could just be modern day corporate gaming balance practices.

No?

The number of people in this thread who struggle to understand the difference between digital and physical, tangible products is depressingly high.

If you do not want to compete in official tournaments you can proxy your whole army if you want to, there's no rule that forces you to buy any model from GW at all.

 Geifer wrote:
I'm more concerned that the picture advertises supply drop crates as opening in mid air. There has to be something in the Geneva Conventions about cluster bombing civilian areas with plasticrack.

That's why it said you needed to add one none dangerous item to the order.

EonChao wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
I'm more concerned that the picture advertises supply drop crates as opening in mid air. There has to be something in the Geneva Conventions about cluster bombing civilian areas with plasticrack.

That's why it said you needed to add one none dangerous item to the order.

It's all starting to make sense now.

 Smokestack wrote:
no US... :( booo

I want the elves or underworlds boxes... would want the order one too, but don't need any more Stormcast.

I mean these would have probably sold out before i could have gotten one anyway... but...

Just like that magazine/ model subscription and everything else. I guess they like just the convenience of making it UK only, even though the majority of sales is in the USA, but GW doesn't really care about its US customers as they have shown for years with the no UK vendors shipping to the USA and the USA 30% tax. Funny thing is all the GW fanboys were commenting when Privateer Press did this... and now their precious GW is doing it.

angel of death 007 wrote:

 Smokestack wrote:
no US... :( booo

I want the elves or underworlds boxes... would want the order one too, but don't need any more Stormcast.

I mean these would have probably sold out before i could have gotten one anyway... but...

Just like that magazine/ model subscription and everything else. I guess they like just the convenience of making it UK only, even though the majority of sales is in the USA, but GW doesn't really care about its US customers as they have shown for years with the no UK vendors shipping to the USA and the USA 30% tax. Funny thing is all the GW fanboys were commenting when Privateer Press did this... and now their precious GW is doing it.

The USA isn't special. UK traders with GW can also not ship to Australia and several other regional areas around the world. This is also pretty common in a lot of market segments. It's a means by which companies can vary prices based on regions without seeing a weaker value currency store suddenly shipping everything overseas to a higher value currency nation because the prices are cheaper for that richer nation.

It has nothing to do with GW having any kind of anti-us bias.
Of course you can argue about if regional pricing is a good/bad thing but you can't just single one firm out for it when multiple firms do it and its often a very normal thing.

The lack of a supply drop for the US is likely just a reflection of the fact that the warehouses out there are very empty and are not overstocked on lines. So there just isn't any excess there.
Or their warehouses are more spread out/smaller and not built for such a system; or perhaps their supply drop is in a week or two's time and wasn't possible to do alongside the others.

 Overread wrote:


The lack of a supply drop for the US is likely just a reflection of the fact that the warehouses out there are very empty and are not overstocked on lines. So there just isn't any excess there.
Or their warehouses are more spread out/smaller and not built for such a system; or perhaps their supply drop is in a week or two's time and wasn't possible to do alongside the others.

GW US only has a single warehouse in Memphis. The most likely reason for no US version is the lack of overstocked product.

Whilst PP’s boxes were wildly good that was because they essentially cleared a ton of old stock due to low sales and downsizing their warehouse, and now a lot of what they sold isn’t even usable in mark iv. Warlord games themed ones barely offered any saving over the easy to obtain 20% U.K. retailer discounts. Warlord’s actual mystery boxes were very random and largely loose sprues and figures and random old books they couldn’t shift across multiple systems.

Whilst the US is a big market for GW , it’s also the most expensive to get product to. I regularly read users on dakka saying their US FLGS only got 1-3 allocated of something whilst my local store has 10-15 on release day plus preorders. If the US were really super profitable then I guess GW would have more warehousing and supply?