Gives me Olympus has Fallen vibes, just mixed with MCU characters. We'll see but so far seems pretty by the numbers and it seems like they're still using the whole legacy bit of Sam taking over for Cap as the main focal point.
I'm guessing the green headed guy facing away is The Leader. Never really been a big fan of Red Hulk, primarily because I thought it was stupid that it was Ross (as well as Betsy being Red She Hulk), so that isn't much of a draw for me.
Marvel hasn't really been an opening weekend kind of vibe now for a bit and this isn't really changing that feeling.
Even the not good Marvel movies are still adequately entertaining so I’ll definitely see it. We haven’t got the group together for a movie theater visit in awhile though so have to wait and see if that happens or not.
The 'getting used to the new look' comment made me chuckle. I hate recasting (although it was obviously kind of necessary in this particular case) but contrariwise I have less of a problem with it when they acknowledge it somehow. Maybe because that makes it an in-joke that the viewer is included in, rather than just being a difference we're supposed to ignore.
Looks great to me. As others have said more winter soldiery vibes. I like a down to earth super hero flick now and then. Not the aliens and magic rings and other realms. But just some guys on the backfoot trying to stop the enemy at their door with their fists and a shield.
Ever since the first trailer for Captain America: Brave New World dropped, fans have all been asking themselves the same question. No, not "When do we get to see Harrison Ford's Red Hulk go smash?" (although very much that too), but instead: "Who is Giancarlo Esposito playing?" Having played the cold and calculating Gus Fring in Breaking Bad and the dastardly Moff Gideon in The Mandalorian, we always knew he'd be a baddie here. But now, thanks to Marvel's Hall H Captain America panel at Comic-Con, we know exactly which one.
Get ready to meet Sidewinder, people. Yes, Esposito is set to take on the role of the King of the Serpent Society in Julius Onah's upcoming Cap fourquel. For those who don't know, in the comics Sidewinder — real name Seth Voelker — heads up snake-themed supervillain consortium the Serpent Society. Over the years, the group have worked for and with the likes of Kingpin and Hydra, and the Society's roots with Marvel's Star-Spangled Avenger run all the way back to issue #310 of Captain America from 1985. But whilst Esposito is taking up the Sidewinder mantle, it remains to be seen whether he'll also be donning a comics accurate reptilian ruff at any stage. But given the movie's political thriller slant and Esposito's shades-and-shooter combo in the trailer, we're guessing unlikely!
Did it have to do with Marvel's Marvels and other lackluster ticket sales?
Massive amount of reshoots, new shoots, and changes to the story including adding a whole new antagonist. Giancarlo Esposito, seen in the trailer, was not even originally in the film.
Did it have to do with Marvel's Marvels and other lackluster ticket sales?
Massive amount of reshoots, new shoots, and changes to the story including adding a whole new antagonist. Giancarlo Esposito, seen in the trailer, was not even originally in the film.
I’m guessing this is the start of the pivot away from Kang and the multiverse then.
And that's just silly. Recast Kang and keep going, although yeah the multiverse-focused movies just haven't been as good so maybe they're doing the right thing switching gears.
ZergSmasher wrote: And that's just silly. Recast Kang and keep going, although yeah the multiverse-focused movies just haven't been as good so maybe they're doing the right thing switching gears.
ZergSmasher wrote: And that's just silly. Recast Kang and keep going, although yeah the multiverse-focused movies just haven't been as good so maybe they're doing the right thing switching gears.
But they can't recast him.
Kang died on the way back to his home planet.
Either you're being facetious, or I've missed something somewhere. I'm guessing they wrote him out of the series off-screen? I know they were needing to find a work around due to the actor getting arrested for domestic violence or something, but I never heard that they quietly resolved his story arc. To be fair, I missed The Marvels in the theater and have yet to watch it on streaming (pretty sure that's the only MCU movie I've missed).
In the Simpsons the Itchy and Scratchy show introduced a cool new EXTREME character named Poochie to liven things up. When he proved unpopular the studio quickly put together an episode that ended with "Poochie died on this way back to his home planet" and he was never spoken of again.
That's about how Marvel is treating Kang.
I mean I get it, I watched Loki, I saw Ant Man 3, I see where they thought this would go, but I left with no desire to ever see Kang again.
A time travelling, multiverse travelling villain with an infinite number of cross-time clones just means there are no stakes, at all.
Reviews are coming out and it looks to be as mediocre as one would expect after all the reshoots and frankensteining of all the different plots they tried throwing together.
Jeremy Jahn does a good non spoiler review here:
Just waiting for the pitch meeting of this, it is weird we've entered the moment where the reviews of a lot of movies nowadays is more entertaining than the movie itself.
Also you can see them still working those VFX guys to the bone with all the shortcuts they're making for the CGI, love the comments on the Red Hulk to Ross transformation, my fav is "Hey big guy, budget's getting real low". About sums up how mismanaged this movie was.
At Celestial Island on the Indian Ocean, Wilson and Torres stop two rogue pilots from attacking the Japanese fleet to prevent a war between Japan and the U.S. Although successful, Torres is injured.
That's one of the stupidest plot points I've ever seen. What the heck.
At Celestial Island on the Indian Ocean, Wilson and Torres stop two rogue pilots from attacking the Japanese fleet to prevent a war between Japan and the U.S. Although successful, Torres is injured.
That's one of the stupidest plot points I've ever seen. What the heck.
It's only being screened for critics until.... today I think? My understanding is that is roughly the plot so I would assume that's an accurate event.
I've avoided any specifics but the vibe I've gotten from the early screenings is "Just another recent MCU film". Not terrible but not all that great either; perfectly fine for streaming.
Yeah. I've heard its fine. Better than stuff like Black Widow but very much another bit of the COVID/Disney+ Show mess still. More of a The Marvels kind of movie that is better than a lot of the post Endgame stuff, but not hitting the heights of Phase 3 by any measure. One review specifically referred to it as a Phase 2 feeling film.
At Celestial Island on the Indian Ocean, Wilson and Torres stop two rogue pilots from attacking the Japanese fleet to prevent a war between Japan and the U.S. Although successful, Torres is injured.
Yes it did.
Spoiler:
The Celestial Island is the head & hand of the Celestial that almost emerged back in the Eternals movie. Turns out it's the source of an all new element - adamantium - that numerous nations are all trying to acquire/mine/harvest.
Due to the main villains schemes the Japanese send their forces to secure the island. The US in turn sends its own carrier force. Wich is what the villain wants & so he mind controls two US pilots to attack the Japanese.
Wilson & Torres have a nice big areal combat set piece stopping the rogue pilots.
This is not actually the plot of the movie, just one part of the villains revenge plan against (now) President Ross.
SPOILER: The plan culminates in Ross being turned into the Red Hulk + massive destruction - wich does accomplish the villains goal.
God damn, that's stupid and completely divorced from real-world geopolitics.
Spoiler:
Do they not know that the US and Japan are allies? If anything it would have been a joint US-Japanese operation Depending on the location, ROK may have been involved. Unless The Blip caused a major shift in global power no one has the naval might to stop the US from taking control of those waters. It would be suicide for Japan to go to war with the US without decades of prep time based on the current power balance.
Even if the adversary was China, war isn't going to start over only that incident.
trexmeyer wrote: God damn, that's stupid and completely divorced from real-world geopolitics.
Spoiler:
Do they not know that the US and Japan are allies? If anything it would have been a joint US-Japanese operation Depending on the location, ROK may have been involved. Unless The Blip caused a major shift in global power no one has the naval might to stop the US from taking control of those waters. It would be suicide for Japan to go to war with the US without decades of prep time based on the current power balance.
Even if the adversary was China, war isn't going to start over only that incident.
It's mind-numbingly stupid.
Spoiler:
I'm guessing that it isn't actually the USA attacking Japan but a scheme set up by The Leader, a known schemester. Either the pilots are being deceived into attacking or they are henchman doing their part for the Mighty Monarch...I mean The Leader. Overall I agree it is doesn't make a lot of sense. I wonder if the studio was trying to avoid controversy thinking that having the USA attack Russia or China would be seen as to political, or in the case of China it would also hurt their overseas box office?
trexmeyer wrote: God damn, that's stupid and completely divorced from real-world geopolitics.
Spoiler:
Do they not know that the US and Japan are allies? If anything it would have been a joint US-Japanese operation Depending on the location, ROK may have been involved. Unless The Blip caused a major shift in global power no one has the naval might to stop the US from taking control of those waters. It would be suicide for Japan to go to war with the US without decades of prep time based on the current power balance.
Even if the adversary was China, war isn't going to start over only that incident.
It's mind-numbingly stupid.
Spoiler:
I'm guessing that it isn't actually the USA attacking Japan but a scheme set up by The Leader, a known schemester. Either the pilots are being deceived into attacking or they are henchman doing their part for the Mighty Monarch...I mean The Leader. Overall I agree it is doesn't make a lot of sense. I wonder if the studio was trying to avoid controversy thinking that having the USA attack Russia or China would be seen as to political, or in the case of China it would also hurt their overseas box office?
Spoiler:
I mean stupid strictly as a casus belli which would also make The Leader's plan questionable.
I think you're correct. An adversarial China would hurt the box office more.
trexmeyer wrote: God damn, that's stupid and completely divorced from real-world geopolitics.
Spoiler:
Do they not know that the US and Japan are allies?
Spoiler:
Isn't real-world geopolitics now that US threatens allies with annexations while their traditional adversaries are being sucked up to and appeased? Maybe the scenario from the movie isn't that unrealistic in the field of political fiction.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: How can Captain America vs President Hulk not be entertaining?
By not being well executed or well thought out. I'm not saying that is the case but the idea that there is no way a studio could mess up the premise doesn't really hold.
I saw a comment that said that it was a movie where you could tell half the people working on it wanted to make a smart movie fighting with the other half wanted to make a dumb movie; perfectly fine fine hiding a great movie held back by studio notes/rewrites.
Captain America: Brave New World delivered up an impressive $40 million at the Friday box office, including $12 million in previews, as Marvel Studios attempts to reboot the franchise with an entirely new cast. That’s even better than the opening-day gross of Captain America: The Winter Soldier ($36.9 million).
This puts the year’s first tentpole on track to open to $90 million-$96 million plus over the four-day Valentine’s Day/Presidents Day weekend, one of the top showings ever for the holiday and despite receiving a B- CinemaScore from audiences, the worst grade given any a title in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
I feel like this movie is doing worse with Marvel fans than with casuals. Talking to friends and family, a lot of them were just excited for another movie worthy of seeing in the theater.
My wife never saw any trailers or marketing, so she was surprised by the Red Hulk reveal, leaving with a positive impression of the movie. Could the marketing have sapped the movie’s juice with its target audience?
I rarely notice the post production dialogue changes or additional footage but this time they were all so clear. Cap starts a sentence then the cut to the back of his head so they don't have to worry about the lips synching up. Cap delivering speeches in front of an obvious green screen.
Pretty good. It is a perfectly fine, pretty good Marvel movie. I don't think it's AS good as Winter Solider (which is up there as one of the best) but it's better than the super formulaic movies of phase 2.
The cast is all doing a great job, the story makes sense, good villain who both isn't a copy of the hero but a different color and doesn't even have an action sequence of their own as is good for their character. Sam being his own kind of Cap is great. His little support network of other characters and contacts is great. All around a Solid B+
I definitely think they should have left all the Red Hulk stuff out of the trailer and promotional materials. Show the celestial and the fighter jets, show a shadowy guy with a hat and trench coat making phone calls. Show some Serpent society stuff. That would have been better promos and left some twists of who was what.
In the past Marvel have been pretty great about leaving the 3rd act out of the trailers or being good at hiding things about it. This wasn't that.
Pretty good. It is a perfectly fine, pretty good Marvel movie. I don't think it's AS good as Winter Solider (which is up there as one of the best) but it's better than the super formulaic movies of phase 2.
The cast is all doing a great job, the story makes sense, good villain who both isn't a copy of the hero but a different color and doesn't even have an action sequence of their own as is good for their character. Sam being his own kind of Cap is great. His little support network of other characters and contacts is great. All around a Solid B+
I definitely think they should have left all the Red Hulk stuff out of the trailer and promotional materials. Show the celestial and the fighter jets, show a shadowy guy with a hat and trench coat making phone calls. Show some Serpent society stuff. That would have been better promos and left some twists of who was what.
In the past Marvel have been pretty great about leaving the 3rd act out of the trailers or being good at hiding things about it. This wasn't that.
This was mostly a result of that cat being well out of the bag a year ago. Since there was a whole bunch of tie in products built around the original release date, kids already had Cap vs Red Hulk merch. I think someone just decided that comic fans would already piece it together so the best route was to sell the movie on the fight to casuals and it seems to have succeeded.
Yeah, the biggest problem with the movie is just knowing the twist ending. It’s just this whole slow burn of Ross being a changed man less prone to outbursts, why didn’t the bad guy kill him when he had the chance, what’s his endgame, etc. It’s just you already go into the movie knowing the answer.
The absence of China from a crisis in the Indian Ocean (which China literally borders) was jarring. Especially with Japan there. France, does France have some island in the Indian Ocean that I'm forgetting? The UK has one that they just announced they're returning. France?
Head canon, the treaty was meant to keep China out.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: The absence of China from a crisis in the Indian Ocean (which China literally borders) was jarring. Especially with Japan there. France, does France have some island in the Indian Ocean that I'm forgetting? The UK has one that they just announced they're returning. France?
Head canon, the treaty was meant to keep China out.
You're over thinking it.
Is China not being involved really any less believable/ more jarring than a giant space-god NOT causing catastrophic damage to the planet as it crawls out of the Earths core?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: The absence of China from a crisis in the Indian Ocean (which China literally borders) was jarring. Especially with Japan there. France, does France have some island in the Indian Ocean that I'm forgetting? The UK has one that they just announced they're returning. France?
Head canon, the treaty was meant to keep China out.
You're over thinking it.
Is China not being involved really any less believable/ more jarring than a giant space-god NOT causing catastrophic damage to the planet as it crawls out of the Earths core?
Which you would think would cause some severe discomfort to humanity. The day the core of the Earth woke up.
Also, did anyone else see the moon sized celestial hovering over the earth from Eternals?
Between everything that's happened in the MCU (e.g., the Chitauri invasion of New York City, the Blip, etc.), I would say that volcanic activity raising a new land mass in the Indian Ocean (as most governments would most likely have spun it) barely registers to most people.
And as for Arishem showing up, I got the distinct impression that he made sure that the majority of the population did not remember that event.
Lathe Biosas wrote: Which you would think would cause some severe discomfort to humanity.
It is only a problem if that severe discomfort lasts more than four hours.
You'd think something the size of a Celestial crawling out of the Earths core would definitely cause discomfort for more than 4 hours....
You know, screw up the whole rotation & gravity bit.
And yes, I thought it odd that the event went unmentioned in other projects.
But, since this is the Multiverse phase.... I'd hoped that this Eternals dumbness was just taking place on some other Earth.
Easy E wrote: Remember when people were complaining about the Celestial event in The Eternals was never mentioned in the MCU?
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
It only took them 4 years and them re-introducing it in a half-assed way to shoe-horn in adamantium with a forced conflict between Japan and the States, but yeah, I guess better late than never. The funnier part is them drudging up the Leader after 17 years with no real reason and to end off with him in the end credits literally warning about what everyone already knows about for the past 3 years as if it's something mind-blowing.
Easy E wrote: Remember when people were complaining about the Celestial event in The Eternals was never mentioned in the MCU?
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
It only took them 4 years and them re-introducing it in a half-assed way to shoe-horn in adamantium with a forced conflict between Japan and the States, but yeah, I guess better late than never. The funnier part is them drudging up the Leader after 17 years with no real reason and to end off with him in the end credits literally warning about what everyone already knows about for the past 3 years as if it's something mind-blowing.
Well yeah but the movie was supposed to have been released awhile ago and got heavily delayed.
Lathe Biosas wrote: Which you would think would cause some severe discomfort to humanity.
It is only a problem if that severe discomfort lasts more than four hours.
Remember to consult a doctor...
I'm not sure if this would be in Doctor Strange's department.
Speaking of which, are there only 3 doctors in Marvel Comics? Drs. Strange, Octavius, and Doom... (which sounds like the second best law firm there is).
Lathe Biosas wrote: Speaking of which, are there only 3 doctors in Marvel Comics? Drs. Strange, Octavius, and Doom... (which sounds like the second best law firm there is).
Lathe Biosas wrote: Which you would think would cause some severe discomfort to humanity.
It is only a problem if that severe discomfort lasts more than four hours.
Remember to consult a doctor...
I'm not sure if this would be in Doctor Strange's department.
Speaking of which, are there only 3 doctors in Marvel Comics? Drs. Strange, Octavius, and Doom... (which sounds like the second best law firm there is).
Edit: Forgot Dr. Bong.
Dr. Kurt Connors
Doc Sampson
Doctor Slectrum
Dr. Druid
Those are the 1st four that come to mind that actually use the title & Connors & Sampson have appeared live-action.
I'm sure there's more (but far less than over in DC)
Knocks it out of the park again, saves you the time, money and provides better entertainment than having to go to the theatre to watch this slop. My favourite was how on point it was about how there's basically no real antagonist in the movie given that the Leader is just there to mess around with the President and he gives up straight away.
I still say Captain America is a perfectly fine movie, better than most of this phase, and is only really hindered by the fact it plays more like a mystery thriller but the trailers already gave away all the answers.
AduroT wrote: I still say Captain America is a perfectly fine movie, better than most of this phase, and is only really hindered by the fact it plays more like a mystery thriller but the trailers already gave away all the answers.
I suspect it was originally written as an almost pure political thriller that test audiences bounced off of due to a lack of action. Not saying they're wrong, just what I'm suspecting created the delay.
Ahtman wrote: So how did people feel about the look of The Leader?
He looked like a second season Buffy monster, and not one of the important ones.
Bad special effects usually don’t take me out of movies, but I was amused every time The Leader appeared to be greenscreened in, or in a couple scenes deepfaked. The film’s behind the scenes antics are almost certainly more compelling than the character we got onscreen.
Ahtman wrote: So how did people feel about the look of The Leader?
They went more body horror.
His head has a lot of mishapen lumps. The green skin is a little sickly pale. Eyes glow in the dark. Its more gamma monster. I think it's pretty great imo.
Hands down the best film of this phase except for Wolverine vs. Deadpool. This would have been so good released after the show and the eternals and so lord did they mishandle it but outside of that (and the weirdly tiny russian in charge of presidential security) it was really really good. Characters you actually like, extension of characters you started to like on the show, a few call backs.
Overall the big bad being a thinker, while not as well done as the Baron (or whoever he was), instead of a brawler was nicely different. I like Cap as an agent of chaos
You'd have though that somebody would realise the one sure fire way to kill any sort of serial is to release the episodes in the wrong order, so it was exceedingly dumb to delay this so long
Lathe Biosas wrote: Do I need to watch Falcon and the Winter Soldier before watching the new Captain America?
I wouldn't say you HAVE to. But it isn't a bad idea. I would even go so far as to say i recommend it.
Sam (falcon) goes through some gak to accept the mantle of Cap. It introduces a character from the comics and tied to the past of the super soldier program who is in this movie for a bit. And it introduces U.S. Agent which ties straight into the upcoming Thunderbolts. So you are preping for 2 movies in 1.
AduroT wrote: Not really.The only things from this movie that were introduced in the Winter Falcon are;
Spoiler:
Sam has an over eager sidekick he picked up from the US military.
The Wakandans made him a Vibranium suit and wings.
Spoiler:
And Bradley, the black captain america. And a separate super soldier program/recreation of the serum. Which gets bought up in the movie about Sam taking it or not.
To be fair, I think a gakky Sony film casting a spider-man villain is better than Secret Invasion. No one in particular. Just grab one and it's still better
Marvels was actually fun and fine in my opinion. The actual worst film itself has felt like Eternals to me. No joy, the characters were meh, no real tie-in and the treatment of the films post Eternals didn't do anything for it either.
TV show wise I didn't manage to finish Echo or Secret Invasion. I'm not sure which was worse to be honest but I lean to it being Secret Invasion.
Hulksmash wrote: Marvels was actually fun and fine in my opinion. The actual worst film itself has felt like Eternals to me. No joy, the characters were meh, no real tie-in and the treatment of the films post Eternals didn't do anything for it either.
TV show wise I didn't manage to finish Echo or Secret Invasion. I'm not sure which was worse to be honest but I lean to it being Secret Invasion.
I’d put Marvels above Thor 4, Dr Strange 2 or Antman 3 just as fluffy entertainment. The Eternals was probably the worst Marvel movie, but it had enough weird choices to be worth discussing, unlike say Ant-man 3, for example.
Secret Invasion was impressive in that it managed to get geometrically worse as it progressed. Stopping a couple episodes short means you only witnessed about 1/64th of its awfulness.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Falcon and Winter Solder was better than expected, better than Secret Invasion certainly.
The YouTube channel that crushes random objects with a pneumatic press is better TV than Secret Invasion.
Hey now, the 5 people who liked it would be very mad to hear you say that. In fact, I think there's a couple in this very forum!
I'll never be able to erase the memory of the horrible CGI of Emilia Clarke flexing her Drax muscles in the super skrull fight. How that got past the editing room or any QA for the show boggles my mind. Best example of the worst slop to have come from the MCU.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Falcon and Winter Solder was better than expected, better than Secret Invasion certainly.
The YouTube channel that crushes random objects with a pneumatic press is better TV than Secret Invasion.
Hey now, the 5 people who liked it would be very mad to hear you say that. In fact, I think there's a couple in this very forum!
I'll never be able to erase the memory of the horrible CGI of Emilia Clarke flexing her Drax muscles in the super skrull fight. How that got past the editing room or any QA for the show boggles my mind. Best example of the worst slop to have come from the MCU.
I'm having trouble writing a positive review of Secret Invasion, and that's saying something as I wrote a positive review of Morbius and Gladiator II!
Secret Invasion was awful. I can only imagine it comes down to contractual obligations to finish. I REALLY want to know what happened there, but I suspect it was probably an abandoned Captain Marvel 2 or something.
On that subject, I liked the Marvels well enough. It's like the top of my bottom third of MCU films. It's kind of forgettable but fun. Better than Ant Man 3 and Thor 4. Probably better than Thor 2 and Iron Man 2 even.
Lathe Biosas wrote: Hmm... now I don't have to watch these...as I calmly attempt to mind will the powers-that-be to bring back the Punisher with the new Daredevil.
Some good news regarding that, it was recently announced he would be making an appearance in Born Again and then afterwards will headline a stand alone special like Werewolf by Night. Bernthal is also helping to write the script along with the director at the helm of the special, Reinaldo Marcus Green.
Lathe Biosas wrote: Hmm... now I don't have to watch these...as I calmly attempt to mind will the powers-that-be to bring back the Punisher with the new Daredevil.
Some good news regarding that, it was recently announced he would be making an appearance in Born Again and then afterwards will headline a stand alone special like Werewolf by Night. Bernthal is also helping to write the script along with the director at the helm of the special, Reinaldo Marcus Green.
That's the best news I've heard in a while. That might make me happier than watching Nicolas Cage as Spider-Man (Which is a high bar. )
Yeah, I would be even happier with a full series, but am pretty pleased to see any more of Bernthal's Punisher that they are willing to throw at us, especially if Disney's recent success with Deadpool + Wolverine makes them more willing to maintain the level of violence one expects from such.
That's the best news I've heard in a while. That might make me happier than watching Nicolas Cage as Spider-Man (Which is a high bar. 
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