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I understood your reference Kid_Kyoto. It is going to be ok.

Adamantium confirmed in the MCU...

Adamantium was already in the MCU.... kind of... Deadpool & Wolverine was an MCU movie.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Adamantium was already in the MCU.... kind of... Deadpool & Wolverine was an MCU movie.

To clarify, this is the first time we have a mention of adamantium in the sacred 616 timeline in the MCU.

Something to watch if you've got an hour to kill...

Reviews are coming out and it looks to be as mediocre as one would expect after all the reshoots and frankensteining of all the different plots they tried throwing together.

Jeremy Jahn does a good non spoiler review here:




Just waiting for the pitch meeting of this, it is weird we've entered the moment where the reviews of a lot of movies nowadays is more entertaining than the movie itself.

Also you can see them still working those VFX guys to the bone with all the shortcuts they're making for the CGI, love the comments on the Red Hulk to Ross transformation, my fav is "Hey big guy, budget's getting real low". About sums up how mismanaged this movie was.

Did this actually happen in the film?



That's one of the stupidest plot points I've ever seen. What the heck.

trexmeyer wrote:
Did this actually happen in the film?

Spoiler:

At Celestial Island on the Indian Ocean, Wilson and Torres stop two rogue pilots from attacking the Japanese fleet to prevent a war between Japan and the U.S. Although successful, Torres is injured.

That's one of the stupidest plot points I've ever seen. What the heck.

It's only being screened for critics until.... today I think? My understanding is that is roughly the plot so I would assume that's an accurate event.

I've avoided any specifics but the vibe I've gotten from the early screenings is "Just another recent MCU film". Not terrible but not all that great either; perfectly fine for streaming.

Yeah. I've heard its fine. Better than stuff like Black Widow but very much another bit of the COVID/Disney+ Show mess still. More of a The Marvels kind of movie that is better than a lot of the post Endgame stuff, but not hitting the heights of Phase 3 by any measure. One review specifically referred to it as a Phase 2 feeling film.

trexmeyer wrote:
Did this actually happen in the film?

Spoiler:

At Celestial Island on the Indian Ocean, Wilson and Torres stop two rogue pilots from attacking the Japanese fleet to prevent a war between Japan and the U.S. Although successful, Torres is injured.

Yes it did.

God damn, that's stupid and completely divorced from real-world geopolitics.

trexmeyer wrote:
God damn, that's stupid and completely divorced from real-world geopolitics.

Spoiler:

Do they not know that the US and Japan are allies? If anything it would have been a joint US-Japanese operation Depending on the location, ROK may have been involved. Unless The Blip caused a major shift in global power no one has the naval might to stop the US from taking control of those waters. It would be suicide for Japan to go to war with the US without decades of prep time based on the current power balance.

Even if the adversary was China, war isn't going to start over only that incident.

It's mind-numbingly stupid.

 Ahtman wrote:

trexmeyer wrote:
God damn, that's stupid and completely divorced from real-world geopolitics.

Spoiler:

Do they not know that the US and Japan are allies? If anything it would have been a joint US-Japanese operation Depending on the location, ROK may have been involved. Unless The Blip caused a major shift in global power no one has the naval might to stop the US from taking control of those waters. It would be suicide for Japan to go to war with the US without decades of prep time based on the current power balance.

Even if the adversary was China, war isn't going to start over only that incident.

It's mind-numbingly stupid.

Spoiler:

I'm guessing that it isn't actually the USA attacking Japan but a scheme set up by The Leader, a known schemester. Either the pilots are being deceived into attacking or they are henchman doing their part for the Mighty Monarch...I mean The Leader. Overall I agree it is doesn't make a lot of sense. I wonder if the studio was trying to avoid controversy thinking that having the USA attack Russia or China would be seen as to political, or in the case of China it would also hurt their overseas box office?

trexmeyer wrote:
God damn, that's stupid and completely divorced from real-world geopolitics.

Spoiler:

Do they not know that the US and Japan are allies?

You do have to remember that the ploys in Marvel movies usually aren't very deep, or make a whole lotta sense when you start thinking about them.

As long as the movie is fun, I'll watch it.

I wonder what Genre this is trying to mimic. If the answer is not obvious, than this will be another exercise in Marvel mediocrity.

How can Captain America vs President Hulk not be entertaining?

This month all I need in my life is Captain America beating up President Hulk.

President Hulk sounds markedly less destructive.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
How can Captain America vs President Hulk not be entertaining?

By not being well executed or well thought out. I'm not saying that is the case but the idea that there is no way a studio could mess up the premise doesn't really hold.

I saw a comment that said that it was a movie where you could tell half the people working on it wanted to make a smart movie fighting with the other half wanted to make a dumb movie; perfectly fine fine hiding a great movie held back by studio notes/rewrites.

‘Captain America’ Box Office: ‘Brave New World’ Soaring to Pleasing $90M-$96M U.S. Opening - The Hollywood Reporter

Captain America: Brave New World delivered up an impressive $40 million at the Friday box office, including $12 million in previews, as Marvel Studios attempts to reboot the franchise with an entirely new cast. That’s even better than the opening-day gross of Captain America: The Winter Soldier ($36.9 million).

This puts the year’s first tentpole on track to open to $90 million-$96 million plus over the four-day Valentine’s Day/Presidents Day weekend, one of the top showings ever for the holiday and despite receiving a B- CinemaScore from audiences, the worst grade given any a title in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

I feel like this movie is doing worse with Marvel fans than with casuals. Talking to friends and family, a lot of them were just excited for another movie worthy of seeing in the theater.


My wife never saw any trailers or marketing, so she was surprised by the Red Hulk reveal, leaving with a positive impression of the movie. Could the marketing have sapped the movie’s juice with its target audience?

I rarely notice the post production dialogue changes or additional footage but this time they were all so clear. Cap starts a sentence then the cut to the back of his head so they don't have to worry about the lips synching up. Cap delivering speeches in front of an obvious green screen.

I'd love to see a draft by draft list of changes.

Saw it today.

Pretty good. It is a perfectly fine, pretty good Marvel movie. I don't think it's AS good as Winter Solider (which is up there as one of the best) but it's better than the super formulaic movies of phase 2.

The cast is all doing a great job, the story makes sense, good villain who both isn't a copy of the hero but a different color and doesn't even have an action sequence of their own as is good for their character. Sam being his own kind of Cap is great. His little support network of other characters and contacts is great. All around a Solid B+

I definitely think they should have left all the Red Hulk stuff out of the trailer and promotional materials. Show the celestial and the fighter jets, show a shadowy guy with a hat and trench coat making phone calls. Show some Serpent society stuff. That would have been better promos and left some twists of who was what.

In the past Marvel have been pretty great about leaving the 3rd act out of the trailers or being good at hiding things about it. This wasn't that.

A big chunk of the problem in the movie in a nutshell.

 Lance845 wrote:
Saw it today.

Pretty good. It is a perfectly fine, pretty good Marvel movie. I don't think it's AS good as Winter Solider (which is up there as one of the best) but it's better than the super formulaic movies of phase 2.

The cast is all doing a great job, the story makes sense, good villain who both isn't a copy of the hero but a different color and doesn't even have an action sequence of their own as is good for their character. Sam being his own kind of Cap is great. His little support network of other characters and contacts is great. All around a Solid B+

I definitely think they should have left all the Red Hulk stuff out of the trailer and promotional materials. Show the celestial and the fighter jets, show a shadowy guy with a hat and trench coat making phone calls. Show some Serpent society stuff. That would have been better promos and left some twists of who was what.

In the past Marvel have been pretty great about leaving the 3rd act out of the trailers or being good at hiding things about it. This wasn't that.

This was mostly a result of that cat being well out of the bag a year ago. Since there was a whole bunch of tie in products built around the original release date, kids already had Cap vs Red Hulk merch. I think someone just decided that comic fans would already piece it together so the best route was to sell the movie on the fight to casuals and it seems to have succeeded.

Well attacking Japan would actually be a bonus for the Chinese market.

Yeah, the biggest problem with the movie is just knowing the twist ending. It’s just this whole slow burn of Ross being a changed man less prone to outbursts, why didn’t the bad guy kill him when he had the chance, what’s his endgame, etc. It’s just you already go into the movie knowing the answer.

The absence of China from a crisis in the Indian Ocean (which China literally borders) was jarring. Especially with Japan there. France, does France have some island in the Indian Ocean that I'm forgetting? The UK has one that they just announced they're returning. France?

Head canon, the treaty was meant to keep China out.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The absence of China from a crisis in the Indian Ocean (which China literally borders) was jarring. Especially with Japan there. France, does France have some island in the Indian Ocean that I'm forgetting? The UK has one that they just announced they're returning. France?

Head canon, the treaty was meant to keep China out.

You're over thinking it.
Is China not being involved really any less believable/ more jarring than a giant space-god NOT causing catastrophic damage to the planet as it crawls out of the Earths core?