Well AoS will be the Stormcast new models and probably not much more than that. Maybe one other faction gets a look in, but I suspect it will be all stormcast after the skaven reveal.
40K hard to say - maybe some Eldar for a final wave of updates for them? (oh heck how about some winged warriors to go with the winged prime!!)
Old World - didn't we just have Chaos previewed and Dwarves released? Could be a repeat of the Chaos preview for the masses; otherwise I guess as its alternating a bit good-bad then we might see a preview for wood elves, high elves or empire
HH could be more Mechanicus stuff after their launch?
I think Heresy is likely to just be a few of those miscellaneous kits we're missing. Melee arms and such like. I don't even rightly remember what we're missing any more...
If we do get a big announcement, I think Mechanicum wave 2 is a safe bet. Are we waiting on anything more for the Solar Aux?
40k: getting our new roadmap for the next 8-10 months. Guard, Eldar, ksons, and probably some more minor stuff
HH: yeah idk. maybe the new Salamanders box set
TOW: now that most factions are released, a roadmap of the rest, plus some idea of what will be happening once the last factions are released. maybe some signs of a new faction or a campaign book
AOS: roadmap of which factions are going to be getting books anytime soon (this one is the most certain)
ToW still has High Elves; Wood Elves, Empire and Beastmen to go. So that's another 4 armies which will take a while to get out. Don't forget we've already got Slaves to Darkness recently previewed.
So that's still a good length of time before we'll see anything outside of those armies.
Overread wrote: ToW still has High Elves; Wood Elves, Empire and Beastmen to go. So that's another 4 armies which will take a while to get out. Don't forget we've already got Slaves to Darkness recently previewed.
So that's still a good length of time before we'll see anything outside of those armies.
well, sure, but a roadmap is meant to cover a long time (especially when GW only shares them annually), so i'd expect it to cover a long time
Overread wrote: ToW still has High Elves; Wood Elves, Empire and Beastmen to go. So that's another 4 armies which will take a while to get out. Don't forget we've already got Slaves to Darkness recently previewed.
So that's still a good length of time before we'll see anything outside of those armies.
well, sure, but a roadmap is meant to cover a long time (especially when GW only shares them annually), so i'd expect it to cover a long time
They might not do roadmaps for every system.
Anyway, the heavy rumour before Chaos was announced was that the next two armies were Chaos and High Elves, so I expect there will be a High Elf announcement.
We are running pretty bare on rumours otherwise. There's that new Mark II HH box, but it might be more for the Solar Aux and Mechanicum before that. There was a rumour there'd be another Knight kit. 40k maybe Eldar? I would have say LOV were nailed on, but it was very weird to publish so much stuff in this month's GW if it's getting invalidated in the next three months. Thousand Sons and Death Guard seem plausible.
To be fair rumours were all important in the Kirby days because we got no news on upcoming stuff.
It created a rumour culture in the hobby and some people are still addicted to them; however these days we generally have around a 3month roadmap from GW at most times.
We also get a lot more engagement and news in general. Sure we ALWAYS hunger for more as a group since even with constant regular news; there's always a portion of people who haven't had anything for their game system/army that they play in a while.
Overread wrote: To be fair rumours were all important in the Kirby days because we got no news on upcoming stuff.
It created a rumour culture in the hobby and some people are still addicted to them; however these days we generally have around a 3month roadmap from GW at most times.
We also get a lot more engagement and news in general. Sure we ALWAYS hunger for more as a group since even with constant regular news; there's always a portion of people who haven't had anything for their game system/army that they play in a while.
yeah, my personal feelings on the degree of news coming out of GW is that of a former magic player: that game always has something going on, and it's far less segmented than WH. a new set will effect every format, but if a new HH army comes out, or new models for an army i don't play, i can just go, "oh those are cool" and then not care beyond that. even if there's stuff always happening, i only need to care about a little bit of it (the only thing on the horizon i'm really going to care about is when welves get their TOW release since both my main 40k armies have their codexes)
All our favourite games? Oh well, in that case...I look forward to hearing about Warhammer Quest and Adeptus Titanicus!
And yet, I know that it's complete rubbish and Corals is taking bets on 40K Eldar next year. I'll just have to make do on Imperial and Chaos Knights for 40K, then...
Space Hulk, with some expensive expansions and White Dwarf support would be ****ing awesome. I would go silly on getting them all. Money is no object here and I will scalp every copy and sleep on them like Smaug in Erebor.
So a battle between Mordhiem - Man O War - Space Hulk
BFG wants a word with you
Look BFG has had its time in the limelight of being "this time for sure" for so long now its time to let others have a go!
Also with how GW are handling things I'd be terribly worried that it will end up ANOTHER Imperial 30K era game... So mirror-match Imperials and no Xenos. Even if it means getting Imperial class ships in Chaos built but without warp influences on them.
Man O'War was an ultra gonzo orbs to the wall high fantasy madness take on the Old World, I dread to think what an equivalent of that would be for AoS.
As stated above we’re promised 40K, AoS, TOW, HH “and even more”.
Maybe teases for the even more rather than significant reveals.
Or maybe BL models or somesuch. Warhammer+ announcements, stuff like that that doesn't fit in a system as such.
I'd be surprised if there were new boxed games honestly if we hadn't heard anything about them at this point. Though if they wanted to do an MTO for the Blackstone Fortress expansions...
-New Spacemarines to follow up the new marines of 10th box.
-Troggoth troll king
-Ironjaws
-Big HH box with new mk3 and Deredeo
-Warcry big box with Gorgers and CoS Wildercorps.
-Bloodbowl Vampire team
-Big box underworlds with Hedonites and Idoneth
-Old World Lady Élisse Duchaard! (and remember the game itself was not out yet. that was one decisive old world reveal for lots of people)
-HH Daemon Fulgrim in all his glory
Came here to say people might have to high expectations, but wow, last years reveal was actually epic!
Old World will probably get a vague roadmap, I have doubts about another faction reveal considering the warriors of chaos aren't on pre order yet.
Personally i'm waiting for Wood Elves, and I expect to be last. Which I don't mind so long as they deliver at least a couple new sculpts. I really don't want to see those old metal treekin return. But if a lot of old sculpts return I do hope they at least remaster them in resin instead of metal.
Looks like no Blood Bowl this year either, someday we'll get chaos dwarfs....someday.
Chaos Dwarves feel like they are in the same boat as Exodites and Codex Zoats. GW won't let them die and won't let us forget about them but they also won't do them!
Announcing BB High Elves with TOW High Elves would be pretty up my alley but... I just don't think it's evident that GW operates in that way where they're particularly thinking about those synergies.
I've been waiting for those HH melee arms for so long I just found a friend with a resin printer, but I still think it's an important thing for the game so the choppier legions can finally feel like their Basic Dude is available for sale.
I'd have pegged Votann over Eldar but if it's either, they'd work for me, so I will just expect some more Space Marines instead and if we get new Imperial Guard instead I'll partially care.
AoS is wide open I think, but I also suspect it'll be all Stormcast. I do wonder if something else will get a big refresh this round; I was surprised Slayers didn't join the Stormcast wizards and Ogres didn't join Beasts, so I kinda hope they're on a roadmap for a refresh, but anything more than a roadmap won't be mentioned this round I'm sure.
Overread wrote: Chaos Dwarves feel like they are in the same boat as Exodites and Codex Zoats. GW won't let them die and won't let us forget about them but they also won't do them!
We already know chaos dwarves are coming. Whitefang already confirmed that.
Overread wrote: Chaos Dwarves feel like they are in the same boat as Exodites and Codex Zoats. GW won't let them die and won't let us forget about them but they also won't do them!
We already know chaos dwarves are coming. Whitefang already confirmed that.
I'm not saying the HH reveal is a 28mm Auxilia Shadowsword, but the official HH Facebook page did just update their profile picture to an Auxilia Shadowsword.
lord_blackfang wrote: I'm not saying the HH reveal is a 28mm Auxilia Shadowsword, but the official HH Facebook page did just update their profile picture to an Auxilia Shadowsword.
A Shadowsword/Stormblade kit would see me getting 2-3, but will they put it out before the Felblade/Glaive?
lord_blackfang wrote: I'm not saying the HH reveal is a 28mm Auxilia Shadowsword, but the official HH Facebook page did just update their profile picture to an Auxilia Shadowsword.
lord_blackfang wrote: I'm not saying the HH reveal is a 28mm Auxilia Shadowsword, but the official HH Facebook page did just update their profile picture to an Auxilia Shadowsword.
Interested in the 40k road map- I think we could get a couple of codex+single model type release and maybe one big update before Christmas. Hoping the big one is Votann, the WD article wasn't anything new apparently, more PR than anything else and the book slated for "later in the year.." , but no expectations . Could be Guard/Eldar/more marines..
Hoping the rest of the reveals have some surprises, maybe a KO war band for Warcry? Could we get a new Quest game?
Del Mingus wrote: I wonder, given its around that time of year, if they'll reveal the Year 4 models for Warhammer+.
If not before as this month it comes up for renewal so they have to have whatever details Warhammer+ is getting to keep it alive.
Well, According to my accounts, my money to W+ goes out on the 25th of August. (Would be a Sunday this year, so I expect the 26th this year)
They have 3 days to announce something that will keep me paying, or I cancel before the weekend to ensure nothing goes out next week.
I was going to say it feels like tomorrow (Wednesday being Warhammer+ day) should be the last day they have to reveal the next Warhammer+ year's miniatures.
Maybe the next year goes hand in hand with Kirby's glorious return and you are only told two weeks after what you paid money for?
Good point - mine renews on the 27th and I recall doing it a little late last year.
Got to say I'm surprised - its almost like whoever is running Warhammer+ is distracted or missing. You'd have thought they'd have pushed out at least one or two animations in the last month before the renewal and had some articles and other hype up.
Man O'War was an ultra gonzo orbs to the wall high fantasy madness take on the Old World, I dread to think what an equivalent of that would be for AoS.
It could be a really interesting game for AOS which lends itself to the scale- there are also plenty of vast vehicles/landships/monsters/constructs that mean you could do it as ship/air AND land
The Man O'War lore was not especially high fantasy compared to the rest of the lore and tied in in many places as well as doing some world building,
silverstu wrote: Interested in the 40k road map- I think we could get a couple of codex+single model type release and maybe one big update before Christmas. Hoping the big one is Votann, the WD article wasn't anything new apparently, more PR than anything else and the book slated for "later in the year.." , but no expectations . Could be Guard/Eldar/more marines..
Hoping the rest of the reveals have some surprises, maybe a KO war band for Warcry? Could we get a new Quest game?
Eldar, Guard, and ksons are the ones rumored to be up next, so i hope we don't get Votann anytime soon so that they can get a proper full second wave
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Overread wrote: Warmaster would also work fantastically well for AoS
oh yeah, that could be great. especially since AOS already focuses so much on the big and impressive
Overread wrote: Warmaster would also work fantastically well for AoS
What does it look like when SCE march en masse on foot?
It doesn't
AoS has left rank and flank behind, the tech level won't allow it. If it got a tiny scaled game it would have more in common with LI than Warmaster.
Maybe yes maybe no - either would work honestly. The fact is the game at AoS scale is skirmish not rank and flank based; but we all know that there are vast armies in the actual gameplay itself; and honestly guns are not as common place as they are in 40K. There's still a LOT of close combat units that will strongly benefit from organised shield walls; rank and flank and other elements of combat at the mass-army scale. Even armies like Daughters of Khaine would have warriors fighting close together to benefit from the protection others give.
Plus even the AoS rules have attempted to preserve units staying in blocks/groups. Sure its diluted because they've also shifted away from allowing lots of big infantry blocks in the game as a format; but you'd still have your vast armies moving with a degree of organisation.
lord_blackfang wrote: I'm not saying the HH reveal is a 28mm Auxilia Shadowsword, but the official HH Facebook page did just update their profile picture to an Auxilia Shadowsword.
It would be kind of strange if they get a plastic Legacy SH tank before units and options that are actually in their book.
Dryaktylus wrote: It would be kind of strange if they get a plastic Legacy SH tank before units and options that are actually in their book.
Like the Aethon and Hermes?
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Those were new though and not removed from the 'official' army list in the first place. Also rather small kits and no LoW.
But well, looking at the shop and seeing all those kits unavailable, sold out or vanished I can totally see them doing a new edition with new expensive books, while the Mars campaign book will be usable only for a couple of months...
Troke's video implies that actually "plans" for their games (so possibly roadmaps, or more) are the focus this time, with miniature previews secondary.
That is interesting!
I’m very curious to find out what that means…
Perhaps something like they’ll reveal that Chaos Dwarves are coming out, but instead of showing of too much of the models (instead holding them off to launch a hype train closer to release), showing of stuff like concept art, and talking about how they approach an update for such a classic faction and their thoughts about bringing them to life in the new context of AoS?
Something like that maybe? I know I’d certainly enjoy hearing/seeing stuff like that, at least 😌✨
But perhaps that’s just my personal wishlisting…
Modelwise I don’t think we’ll see any larger releases for 40k the rest of the year, after BA. (that is to say only codex+character releases for the ones coming out, is my guess), Since SCE and Skaven will probably take up much of the release slots.
If that’s the case, this’ll probably be quite early to reveal any models not coming out until january or so. But talking about the reimagining of Emperor’s Children, might be interesting to hear about. Or something like that! I’m just speculating wildly here
lord_blackfang wrote: I'm not saying the HH reveal is a 28mm Auxilia Shadowsword, but the official HH Facebook page did just update their profile picture to an Auxilia Shadowsword.
Sounds like it might be a pretty disappointing show if it's mainly just going to be the Sigmar Stormast, BloodBowl and then roadmaps for other stuff, to me that's not really the sort of thing that feels like it should be one of the main reveal shows of the year. Last years had quite a few miniature reveals for multiple games.
The Stormcast is still going to be a good chunk of models and the roadmaps are going to be welcome to see.
GW have gone from the "one or two big reveals a year" to "lots of little ones". We are still waiting on a bunch of stuff; we just had a preview with a bunch of things only the other week.
Looks like miniature reveals for AOS and Bloodbowl and roadmaps for the rest. Seeing as they're makng a big deal out of the roadmaps, will they be a bit for comprehensive than usual?
Ohman wrote: Looks like miniature reveals for AOS and Bloodbowl and roadmaps for the rest. Seeing as they're makng a big deal out of the roadmaps, will they be a bit for comprehensive than usual?
After the recent culling I just don't feel the same about the Stormcasts and so far 4th edition has been unwelcome. I doubt there is any reveal at Nova that will change that and will probably end up ditching it for MESBG.
Blood Bowl? "Brewing"? Do they have Witches in the Warhammer universe or have the Orks been eating too much fruit? Inquiring minds wanna know, even if they don't play Blood Bowl.
If Imperial & Chaos Knights or Eldar don't appear this side of Christmas then its going to be a crap year for 40K.
Horus Heresy...dunno. Probably more Solar and Mechanicum related stuff, and a smaller starter set in the new year.
The Old World isn't High Fantasy without High Elves...
Now the obligatory whine-with-cheese; not enough support for board games. Still no word of anything like Space Hulk or a new Warhammer Quest.
Blood Bowl? "Brewing"? Do they have Witches in the Warhammer universe or have the Orks been eating too much fruit? Inquiring minds wanna know, even if they don't play Blood Bowl.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's a new Blood Bowl starter set with revised Orc and Human teams.
Rumours point at votann and tsons for this year with an early release army box over Christmas/new year for guard or eldar.
OMG! I think I've got it! Thousand Sons vs Eldar!
Seriously, it would be the 40K version of AOS: Arcane Catacylsm from mid-3rd edition AOS, which pitted the Lumineth vs Tzeentch. The Eldar are painfully lacking Asurmen who is the big cheese when it comes to Aspect Warriors and Phoenix Lords, and the Dire Avengers will probably be updated with him as well. Thousand Sons...I don't know what new stuff they would get but like you say they're tipped to be very soon. And both T'Sons and Eldar are rivals when it comes to Psykers.
Blood Bowl? "Brewing"? Do they have Witches in the Warhammer universe or have the Orks been eating too much fruit? Inquiring minds wanna know, even if they don't play Blood Bowl.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's a new Blood Bowl starter set with revised Orc and Human teams.
'There’s also something brewing on the Blood Bowl pitch, and if Jim and Bob’s excitement is anything to go by, it’s a team to be watched.'
So happy for this. Knew there was another team coming this year. I don't even mind which one lol. By that I mean I don't even care if it's a teams of legend like High Elves or Chaos Dwarves, or if it's another new team.
After initially being told by pundits there would not be a Blood Bowl reveal at Nova, I'm just pleased there is. I knew they were wrong lol. More Blood Bowl is better. Well for BB fans anyway.
lost_lilliputian wrote: 'There’s also something brewing on the Blood Bowl pitch, and if Jim and Bob’s excitement is anything to go by, it’s a team to be watched.'
Assuming 'brewing' is a clue who brews in Warhammer?
Goblins, Dark Elves, Bugman/Dwarves anyone else?
Have any factions gotten a second team? Empire did, undead too?
lost_lilliputian wrote: 'There’s also something brewing on the Blood Bowl pitch, and if Jim and Bob’s excitement is anything to go by, it’s a team to be watched.'
Assuming 'brewing' is a clue who brews in Warhammer?
Goblins, Dark Elves, Bugman/Dwarves anyone else?
Have any factions gotten a second team? Empire did, undead too?
If the word 'brewing' is literally being taken as an Old World race that is known to brew... Skaven also make Skavenbrew.
Edit: To be clear, I'm not saying the next team is a Skaven variant, just that they also brew.
Brewing can be used to define beer making, brewing up coffee/tea, magic brews or even trouble brewing (coming).
Most people seem to think it's Chaos Dwarves coming. The other part about the team to be watched could be because they are sneaky backstabbing gits which plays into the Hobgoblin part of the Chaos Dwarves. Now the word brewing has been assumed as a clue some believe an Orc/goblin variant team, something like fungoid squigs or savages/spider riders.
At some point the BB rules will get redone with faqs etc included. Whether they need to do another edition for that is uncertain. I thought the current edition would be around for a while yet. I know a couple of years ago there was talk from the designers about what teams they would like to do, or what could be expanded on in the future. Hobgoblins were mentioned.
It's all interesting as BB rumours always abound but not normally from GW staff. They don't normally get leaked as it's a small tight group working on them.
Just hope the hype now isn't just for the redux Blitz Bowl Ultimate edition, which while cool and is Orcs and Dwarves, is not released everywhere around the world.
Given that the Gnome team just dropped in out of nowhere, it could be anything for Blood Bowl. Some sort of classic witch team, cauldrons, brooms, the whole shebang?
Jadenim wrote: Given that the Gnome team just dropped in out of nowhere, it could be anything for Blood Bowl. Some sort of classic witch team, cauldrons, brooms, the whole shebang?
Well could be, fits in with the brewing theme if that's what the clue is about.
Personally I'm more inclined to believe it's a new team coming. It would be just like GW to pull another new team out of its hat than to give everyone what they expect next, like chaos dwarves or another team of legend. Make them wait a bit more lol.
Mind you if we get 2 teams a year it would make sense if 1 of them was new and 1 a ToL remake.
Geifer wrote: Well, it won't be the Khemri team because GW isn't in the habit of giving me what I want.
Alas I can relate. It's always the way, the one we want is the one we never get.
Chikout wrote: The rumours I heard are that we are getting a new edition of Blood bowl. No idea which teams are in the box.
I also heard that. There's a number of people pushing that rumour/idea and we will get a new edition one day but will it be this time around or another team first?
Anyway, less than a day now. Will be good to finally see the new Sigmarines. I hope there are new models for the Castellant and Relictor. I'd like to see them with the new proportions, especially now that GW seems to embrace a blinged up look for Sigmarines.
Defeatmyarmy wrote: If GW wants me to buy something again, they need to reward the Emperors Children army already. Fulgrim release was worst thing they’ve done so far.
Was it? I don't think it was really that much of a Debbie downer that HH got a pricey AF resin primarch model first.
I don't hear all the loyalists complaining about the fact The Lion had a resin mini years ago.
So the Chaos Dwarves team gets some new positionals, chaos dwarf blockers, chaos dwarf flamesmiths, hobgoblin linemen and hobgoblin sneaky stabbers.
The bull centaurs are sold separately from Foreworld but include 2 in the pack.
Makes me wonder how many figures come in the box set, 12 or 14.
Rules update too for iron hard skin which is a big improvement, ignores all armour modifiers. All the chaos dwarves have this.
Nice slice of history in the Spike Mag 18 which will include the infamous Hobgoblin team.
Looks like a great themed team with improvements, just a little shame the bull centaurs are FW only but they do look impressive.
*Edit: the BB write up is now up.
The iron hard skin change is actually:
'Chaos Dwarf Blockers no longer start with the Tackle skill. This is replaced by Iron Hard Skin, which prevents any adjustment to their armour value – even claws are blunted by this – so they will always be hard to hurt at a formidable AV10+.'
There's 14 figures in the box. Plus the 2 bull centaurs from FW gives a full 16 roster.
The article does briefly mention a Minotaur still being a Minotaur so maybe the team list will still include one.
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Leading the charge will be a long sought-after weapons kit, which we’ll be revealing in the coming weeks. Beyond that, 2025 will bring more tanks, and new plastic weapons options for existing walkers for Warhammer: The Horus Heresy
In the stream they also talked about Legion specific plastics for HH and other factions like Mechanicum, Custodes and Sisters of Silence for LI
For once, the preview was worth watching. These roadmaps are extremely vague compared to what was said. Which was also fairly vague, but less vague than the roadmaps.
Was listening on way home, wow, what a waste of time. They literally said nothing and showed nothing. At least I can take a break until next year, my wallet thanks you GDubs!!.
These "roadmaps" don't really meet the definition of a roadmap, imo. There's almost nothing on them and basically no commitment to a timeline on any of it. Half of each one is taken up by stuff that's already been done, most of them ate just blank space.
In fact, the most interesting thing about it is that basically there's nothing more coming for 40k or TOW this year after BA and WoC respectively. At least we know that DKoK are finally getting some love mect year and the next two factions for TOW I guess. HH also seems kinda low-key for the next few months, looks like AoS will be the main focus instead.
Well I guess I can finally start my Chaos Dwarf army ... I mean team. Not what I expected to come first but hoping enough interest that GW will make the army.
Except the stormcast reveals at the beginning this whole show felt like meeting a guy at the bar and he just says "I'm under NDA so i can't tell you what exactly but ~stuff is coming~"
And then he drinks too much so you leave quickly before they cause problems
Pretty underwhelming reveal event overall. The only areas of interest to me were Krieg for the next IG codex and Eldar on the horizon next year. Could have at least teased a couple of models for 40k, the Stormcast models are pretty meh, not terrible but nothing like what the Skaven reveals were like and it feels like more of the same which is a pity.
Overread wrote: Death Korps of Krieg Full release
More Craftworld Aspect warrior updates
Then Chaos for 40
All next year
That misses the key parts of context I think and makes it sound better than it is: There's nothing for the next 4 months.
2024:
Dark Angels - small refresh
Sisters - 1 character
Chaos marines - 2 characters (still not available)
Tau - kroot refresh
Imperial agents - 1 character
Blood Angels - small refresh
Gsc - 1 character
Orks - 1 character
Custodes - 1 character
I might be being little uppity but for their flagship product that seems a little poor for 12 months worth.
By contrast as someone with chaos forces, it's looking like 6 of the 7 chaos codexes might end up with a 12 month life span. They've also confirmed grey knights for early next year.
So the release order is, assumingly:
Guard - range refresh
Eldar - range refresh
Knights - 1 model(?)
Grey knights - 1 model(?)
Then 6 chaos factions, 2 marine supplements and 2 xenos to fit inside of 6 month window with the above or suffer the fate of "not out long enough to be used".
Given they might need to be rapid fire, LoV are rumoured an expansion wave, Wolves are undoubtedly getting a refresh and EC are set to become a new army with a new range. All those chaos factions, BT and Drukhari are likely to be 1 model releases. Again, for some factions.
I wouldn't exactly consider BA a small refresh while considering Guard or Eldar a 'range' refresh. Krieg could simply be a couple kits (heavy weapons, another Infantry kit), character and an upgrade sprue. This would be pretty compatible to BA who got an upgrade sprue, one new jump Infantry kit, but also four characters. Similarly I'd expect Eldar to just be a couple Infantry kits for Aspects, and then a couple characters.
I'm hoping (though this is more hope than anything) that GK get a redone power armour kit, in the same way regular marines had to wait for the embiggend Termies.
Edit: I also wouldn't consider there nothing for the next 4 months. BA haven't actually come out yet and I'd guess won't be out entirely until late September. I also then expect the next 'release' box late Nov / early Dec before the actual release in early Jan. December is usually slow for new releases due to the Christmas boxes. So really only losing out a month in there, which given its start of new AOS doesn't really surprise me much, especially if Killteam (not technically 40k but close) get their new box in say early Oct.
I think the delay to Chaos is due to the slow move to legion codexes, and deciding how they want to do them. If they are moving away from a combined Daemons codex and incorporating them into the legions, then it makes sense to try and release them near each other, rather than spread out during the edition.
That misses the key parts of context I think and makes it sound better than it is: There's nothing for the next 4 months.
I might be being little uppity but for their flagship product that seems a little poor for 12 months worth.
It's probably fair to assume Krieg will again get an army box release before the holidays. Perhaps Eldar will too, given that they're already confirming the release focuses on new aspect warriors.
Also KT releases effectively count as 40k content, so it's plausible to see at least two and possibly four new teams before new year.
Glad I decided to go to sleep.
I’m usually rolling my eyes, when people complain about those reveal shows, because there is usually a lot of news, just the thing specifically they wanted wasn’t shown. Here? Damn, if you don’t collect stormcasts or wasn’t waiting for the hobgoblin team, you’re out of luck.
What the hell are those roadmaps? Left half of them is something we already got/going to get really soon/in the process of getting.
Horus Heresy - while the new faction peaks my interest, interesting what it might be (daemons or darkmech? Custodes or SoS would be a cheap cop out), 2025 - TANKS? Something we have already in abundance in that system.
Old World, my beloved - no sign of the gears cranking faster. That makes me sad.
Dawnbringer wrote: I wouldn't exactly consider BA a small refresh while considering Guard or Eldar a 'range' refresh. Krieg could simply be a couple kits (heavy weapons, another Infantry kit), character and an upgrade sprue. This would be pretty compatible to BA who got an upgrade sprue, one new jump Infantry kit, but also four characters. Similarly I'd expect Eldar to just be a couple Infantry kits for Aspects, and then a couple characters.
I'm hoping (though this is more hope than anything) that GK get a redone power armour kit, in the same way regular marines had to wait for the embiggend Termies.
Edit: I also wouldn't consider there nothing for the next 4 months. BA haven't actually come out yet and I'd guess won't be out entirely until late September. I also then expect the next 'release' box late Nov / early Dec before the actual release in early Jan. December is usually slow for new releases due to the Christmas boxes. So really only losing out a month in there, which given its start of new AOS doesn't really surprise me much, especially if Killteam (not technically 40k but close) get their new box in say early Oct.
I think the delay to Chaos is due to the slow move to legion codexes, and deciding how they want to do them. If they are moving away from a combined Daemons codex and incorporating them into the legions, then it makes sense to try and release them near each other, rather than spread out during the edition.
The BA release is absolutely a small refresh.
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Possible size of refresh = 4 units and 3-4 characters
And that's excluding the chance for anything new.
Krieg will likely need:
- command squad
- heavy weapons
- death riders
- ride master likely
- likely an infantry clampack character
- named character?
Likely expansion wave = 3 units - 3 characters
They could also release upgrade sprues for tanks/commanders as well.
So yes, 1 infantry kit, 1 upgrade sprue, 1 generic character and 3 named characters is a small refresh in reality when you consider they removed as many units as they refreshed.
To add to that blood angels are out in the wild pretty much via their early release, so double dipping them isn't really a new release in my eyes, same if guard get an early release box, it simply means they release it all again in January.
With regards chaos, they could have just pulled the plaster off earlier, rather than drag it out to make it look bad.
Guessing the roadmaps are somewhat less definitive to give them wiggle room when it comes to the practicalities of releases.
And because some cynicism? A comparative lack of precision such as “Q1, Q2” etc may be to discourage folks foregoing impulse buys, as they know something they definitely want is coming in a few weeks? Not sure I’ve described that particularly well, but anyways.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Guessing the roadmaps are somewhat less definitive to give them wiggle room when it comes to the practicalities of releases.
And because some cynicism? A comparative lack of precision such as “Q1, Q2” etc may be to discourage folks foregoing impulse buys, as they know something they definitely want is coming in a few weeks? Not sure I’ve described that particularly well, but anyways.
I get that, but as none of my stuff is even on the horizon I'm now in lockdown mode on the wallet assuming that the books will drop with a shelf life too short for me to get use and assuming stuff will get added/cut from ranges. I've wanted a knight castigator for a while but not knowing if it'll be supported past a few months for 40k makes me not want to pull the trigger, so I've been waiting for the books to drop to see if they're included as an example.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Guessing the roadmaps are somewhat less definitive to give them wiggle room when it comes to the practicalities of releases.
And because some cynicism? A comparative lack of precision such as “Q1, Q2” etc may be to discourage folks foregoing impulse buys, as they know something they definitely want is coming in a few weeks? Not sure I’ve described that particularly well, but anyways.
Yeah that'll be a factor for sure. They acknowledged how unhappy people were over the HH melee sprue being promised for X date and ending up delayed, not to mention the LI launch debacle.
I expect to see a lot more vague hints of future releases for anything that isn't literally sitting in warehouses ready to ship out.
My brain follows the line, goes from the top left down along past, present and future, thus reading it as "And Beyond - even more to come in 2025" > "Warhammer The Old World logo(?)" > "Army boxes - Heroes - Plastic - Metal - Resin" > "More Factions" > "High Elves" > "Empire of Man" > "2025"
Maybe taking the "map" part too literally.
Even ignoring that, it's rare for a whole graphic to contain less information than would have been communicated in just a few words ("Empire and High Elves next, in 2025"...
At least the article itself contains a few more hints at what to expect. Looking forward to presumably seeing the plastic Empire Archers back, those are excellent, and could use a few more of the finely sculpted weapons for some Mordheim/Dogs of War conversions...
Okay friends, what ghak show was this. Worst then any other GW "preview".
They proved that they don't know ther customers, or the market; everyone wants Close Combat Weapons, more Infantry options ect. if online or offline in the community - what do they announce? MORE TANKS....
I must admit that I thought "more tanks!" was inviting armed rebellion from Heresy players. I assume they mean tanks for Solar and Mechanicum, and maybe for the yet undisclosed faction they mentioned.
My brain follows the line, goes from the top left down along past, present and future, thus reading it as "And Beyond - even more to come in 2025" > "Warhammer The Old World logo(?)" > "Army boxes - Heroes - Plastic - Metal - Resin" > "More Factions" > "High Elves" > "Empire of Man" > "2025"
Maybe taking the "map" part too literally.
Even ignoring that, it's rare for a whole graphic to contain less information than would have been communicated in just a few words ("Empire and High Elves next, in 2025"...
At least the article itself contains a few more hints at what to expect. Looking forward to presumably seeing the plastic Empire Archers back, those are excellent, and could use a few more of the finely sculpted weapons for some Mordheim/Dogs of War conversions...
Not just you. I definitely followed it the same way and was confused.
RazorEdge wrote: Okay friends, what ghak show was this. Worst then any other GW "preview".
They proved that they don't know ther customers, or the market; everyone wants Close Combat Weapons, more Infantry options ect. if online or offline in the community - what do they announce? MORE TANKS....
I mean, we did have an ACTUAL roadmap for the HH months ago that does show weapon upgrades and stuff coming. If only these roadmaps were as detailed
I get that GW doesn’t want to give too firm dates/orders, as people get pissed when they are missed or change. But damn, those roadmaps are vague and mostly useless.
Dawnbringer wrote: I wouldn't exactly consider BA a small refresh while considering Guard or Eldar a 'range' refresh. Krieg could simply be a couple kits (heavy weapons, another Infantry kit), character and an upgrade sprue. This would be pretty compatible to BA who got an upgrade sprue, one new jump Infantry kit, but also four characters. Similarly I'd expect Eldar to just be a couple Infantry kits for Aspects, and then a couple characters.
I'm hoping (though this is more hope than anything) that GK get a redone power armour kit, in the same way regular marines had to wait for the embiggend Termies.
Edit: I also wouldn't consider there nothing for the next 4 months. BA haven't actually come out yet and I'd guess won't be out entirely until late September. I also then expect the next 'release' box late Nov / early Dec before the actual release in early Jan. December is usually slow for new releases due to the Christmas boxes. So really only losing out a month in there, which given its start of new AOS doesn't really surprise me much, especially if Killteam (not technically 40k but close) get their new box in say early Oct.
I think the delay to Chaos is due to the slow move to legion codexes, and deciding how they want to do them. If they are moving away from a combined Daemons codex and incorporating them into the legions, then it makes sense to try and release them near each other, rather than spread out during the edition.
The BA release is absolutely a small refresh.
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Possible size of refresh = 4 units and 3-4 characters
And that's excluding the chance for anything new.
Krieg will likely need:
- command squad
- heavy weapons
- death riders
- ride master likely
- likely an infantry clampack character
- named character?
Likely expansion wave = 3 units - 3 characters
They could also release upgrade sprues for tanks/commanders as well.
So yes, 1 infantry kit, 1 upgrade sprue, 1 generic character and 3 named characters is a small refresh in reality when you consider they removed as many units as they refreshed.
To add to that blood angels are out in the wild pretty much via their early release, so double dipping them isn't really a new release in my eyes, same if guard get an early release box, it simply means they release it all again in January.
With regards chaos, they could have just pulled the plaster off earlier, rather than drag it out to make it look bad.
What's coming for eldar got leaked a while back, hilariously Karandras got forgotten even though he was supposed to be in it.
Dawnbringer wrote: I wouldn't exactly consider BA a small refresh while considering Guard or Eldar a 'range' refresh. Krieg could simply be a couple kits (heavy weapons, another Infantry kit), character and an upgrade sprue. This would be pretty compatible to BA who got an upgrade sprue, one new jump Infantry kit, but also four characters. Similarly I'd expect Eldar to just be a couple Infantry kits for Aspects, and then a couple characters.
I'm hoping (though this is more hope than anything) that GK get a redone power armour kit, in the same way regular marines had to wait for the embiggend Termies.
Edit: I also wouldn't consider there nothing for the next 4 months. BA haven't actually come out yet and I'd guess won't be out entirely until late September. I also then expect the next 'release' box late Nov / early Dec before the actual release in early Jan. December is usually slow for new releases due to the Christmas boxes. So really only losing out a month in there, which given its start of new AOS doesn't really surprise me much, especially if Killteam (not technically 40k but close) get their new box in say early Oct.
I think the delay to Chaos is due to the slow move to legion codexes, and deciding how they want to do them. If they are moving away from a combined Daemons codex and incorporating them into the legions, then it makes sense to try and release them near each other, rather than spread out during the edition.
The BA release is absolutely a small refresh.
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Possible size of refresh = 4 units and 3-4 characters
And that's excluding the chance for anything new.
Krieg will likely need:
- command squad
- heavy weapons
- death riders
- ride master likely
- likely an infantry clampack character
- named character?
Likely expansion wave = 3 units - 3 characters
They could also release upgrade sprues for tanks/commanders as well.
So yes, 1 infantry kit, 1 upgrade sprue, 1 generic character and 3 named characters is a small refresh in reality when you consider they removed as many units as they refreshed.
To add to that blood angels are out in the wild pretty much via their early release, so double dipping them isn't really a new release in my eyes, same if guard get an early release box, it simply means they release it all again in January.
With regards chaos, they could have just pulled the plaster off earlier, rather than drag it out to make it look bad.
What's coming for eldar got leaked a while back, hilariously Karandras got forgotten even though he was supposed to be in it.
Spoiler:
I completely forgot fire dragons as well to be honest. Either way I think it's safe to say that would indeed make BA look like a small refresh.
I wasn't expecting much at all, but wow, those roadmaps are just terrible. More text dedicated to pointlessly telling us what they've already released than there is anything else, followed by the name of a faction next to a vague date of just the year and half a dozen words that tell us basically nothing.
Who could have guessed that there are more armies to be released after Imperial Guard, Eldar and Imperial Knights?! And I bet no one predicted that The Old world would have miniatures in plastic, metal and resin!
Dawnbringer wrote: I wouldn't exactly consider BA a small refresh while considering Guard or Eldar a 'range' refresh. Krieg could simply be a couple kits (heavy weapons, another Infantry kit), character and an upgrade sprue. This would be pretty compatible to BA who got an upgrade sprue, one new jump Infantry kit, but also four characters. Similarly I'd expect Eldar to just be a couple Infantry kits for Aspects, and then a couple characters.
I'm hoping (though this is more hope than anything) that GK get a redone power armour kit, in the same way regular marines had to wait for the embiggend Termies.
Edit: I also wouldn't consider there nothing for the next 4 months. BA haven't actually come out yet and I'd guess won't be out entirely until late September. I also then expect the next 'release' box late Nov / early Dec before the actual release in early Jan. December is usually slow for new releases due to the Christmas boxes. So really only losing out a month in there, which given its start of new AOS doesn't really surprise me much, especially if Killteam (not technically 40k but close) get their new box in say early Oct.
I think the delay to Chaos is due to the slow move to legion codexes, and deciding how they want to do them. If they are moving away from a combined Daemons codex and incorporating them into the legions, then it makes sense to try and release them near each other, rather than spread out during the edition.
The BA release is absolutely a small refresh.
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Possible size of refresh = 4 units and 3-4 characters
And that's excluding the chance for anything new.
Krieg will likely need:
- command squad
- heavy weapons
- death riders
- ride master likely
- likely an infantry clampack character
- named character?
Likely expansion wave = 3 units - 3 characters
They could also release upgrade sprues for tanks/commanders as well.
So yes, 1 infantry kit, 1 upgrade sprue, 1 generic character and 3 named characters is a small refresh in reality when you consider they removed as many units as they refreshed.
To add to that blood angels are out in the wild pretty much via their early release, so double dipping them isn't really a new release in my eyes, same if guard get an early release box, it simply means they release it all again in January.
With regards chaos, they could have just pulled the plaster off earlier, rather than drag it out to make it look bad.
What's coming for eldar got leaked a while back, hilariously Karandras got forgotten even though he was supposed to be in it.
Spoiler:
I completely forgot fire dragons as well to be honest. Either way I think it's safe to say that would indeed make BA look like a small refresh.
I mean, I'm seeing 4 characters and and two Infantry sets. BA got 4 (5, forgot the Sanguinor) characters, and Jump Infantry Team, and a 'large' upgrade sprue. Not seeing a whole lot of difference there.
I like the Stormcast, even if the multipart Reclusians feel a bit redundant.
But the roadmaps are *dire*, and the event was a total mess. The worst part was it seems like one of the reasons the roadmaps are so bad is because there's a real lack of product coming for the rest of the year. Maybe the ERP issues are screwing up their ability to ship. But after a real misfire of Codex Imperial Agents/Coteaz, the death of the Deathwatch and a lukewarm BA release it's obviously a very bad narrative move to have no product for a third of a year, especially around 40k.
So if you have bad news like that, a) spread it out and b) don't hype up a big preview show where you reveal the bad news and waffle over it and pretend it's good! What did they think the reactions to this would be?
Dawnbringer wrote: I wouldn't exactly consider BA a small refresh while considering Guard or Eldar a 'range' refresh. Krieg could simply be a couple kits (heavy weapons, another Infantry kit), character and an upgrade sprue. This would be pretty compatible to BA who got an upgrade sprue, one new jump Infantry kit, but also four characters. Similarly I'd expect Eldar to just be a couple Infantry kits for Aspects, and then a couple characters.
I'm hoping (though this is more hope than anything) that GK get a redone power armour kit, in the same way regular marines had to wait for the embiggend Termies.
Edit: I also wouldn't consider there nothing for the next 4 months. BA haven't actually come out yet and I'd guess won't be out entirely until late September. I also then expect the next 'release' box late Nov / early Dec before the actual release in early Jan. December is usually slow for new releases due to the Christmas boxes. So really only losing out a month in there, which given its start of new AOS doesn't really surprise me much, especially if Killteam (not technically 40k but close) get their new box in say early Oct.
I think the delay to Chaos is due to the slow move to legion codexes, and deciding how they want to do them. If they are moving away from a combined Daemons codex and incorporating them into the legions, then it makes sense to try and release them near each other, rather than spread out during the edition.
The BA release is absolutely a small refresh.
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Possible size of refresh = 4 units and 3-4 characters
And that's excluding the chance for anything new.
Krieg will likely need:
- command squad
- heavy weapons
- death riders
- ride master likely
- likely an infantry clampack character
- named character?
Likely expansion wave = 3 units - 3 characters
They could also release upgrade sprues for tanks/commanders as well.
So yes, 1 infantry kit, 1 upgrade sprue, 1 generic character and 3 named characters is a small refresh in reality when you consider they removed as many units as they refreshed.
To add to that blood angels are out in the wild pretty much via their early release, so double dipping them isn't really a new release in my eyes, same if guard get an early release box, it simply means they release it all again in January.
With regards chaos, they could have just pulled the plaster off earlier, rather than drag it out to make it look bad.
What's coming for eldar got leaked a while back, hilariously Karandras got forgotten even though he was supposed to be in it.
Spoiler:
I completely forgot fire dragons as well to be honest. Either way I think it's safe to say that would indeed make BA look like a small refresh.
I mean, I'm seeing 4 characters and and two Infantry sets. BA got 4 (5, forgot the Sanguinor) characters, and Jump Infantry Team, and a 'large' upgrade sprue. Not seeing a whole lot of difference there.
BA get:
- captain
- lemartes
- astorath
- sanguinor
- sang guard
- upgrade sprue
Unless I've picked up some inbred extra thumbs which are throwing it off that's 4 characters, 1 unit and some bits.
Whether eldar get more or less isn't entirely relevant - that's a pants upgrade where BA lost more units than they had updates and compared to what a proper range refresh looks like and to be flatly honest is possible for the other armies, it is small.
World eaters launched with:
3 infantry kits
1 mounted character
1 monster
That's barely half an army and more raw frames of plastic than BA got. These small releases are not great unless they get some form of follow up and I'm simply saying it's not good to start encouraging this to be the norm. Getting 2-3 units refreshed/added every 9 years or so with a couple of clam packs in between isn't great.
Didn't know about this 'preview,' so hard to be disappointed that its basically nothing.
It seems like everything for the rest of the year is already announced (sigmar, TOW chaos, HH mech, blood angels), and the remaining third of 2024 is basically written off.
It seems like everything for the rest of the year is already announced (sigmar, TOW chaos, HH mech, blood angels), and the remaining third of 2024 is basically written off.
Given GW's typical doublespeak with codex release schedules* I'd say there's certainly a non-zero chance of army boxes before the holidays for at least some of Krieg / Eldar / IK.
Plus KT release #2 is rumoured to contain new guard units, which GW will want to unveil before that codex. So there's still some reveals likely to come this year even if they don't involve new codexes.
I think Old World players have been slowly accepting that this game is being released at the predictable one army per quarter rate that seemed likely at the start of the year. And now finally GW are comfortable admitting it. The army ranges will be done around the end of 2025, and Kislev and/or Cathay will be out around 2027. If things don't get delayed.
Ehh, dunno bout that. We had 5 factions this year which is a faster pace than 1/quarter. It seems. HE were planned for this year apparently and got delayed so it would've been 6 if not for "court intrigue". These "roadmaps" are also often only a 6 month window so you're probably looking at empire and HE out by around march and I don't see them waiting another 9 months to do WE and Beastmen.
I can't see them doing two elf armies back to back, so that leaves Wood Elves last. If this edition lasts to 2027 or 2028 i'll be pleased though. Let it stew for a while, i'm not a huge fan of edition churn unless there are meaningful improvements to be made.
A Kislev army seems essential considering the narrative buildup they seem to be going after.
Possibly considered the more dynamic of the remaining original Phoenix Lords? Sure, that I could see. But forgotten about? Utter cobblers.
Spesh as the same source says, twice “there is no planned Phoenix Lord”, then lists…..planned Phoenix Lord.
And having built some relatively recently? The Dire Avengers need a refresh. That kit hasn’t aged well.
There was some stuff about karandras not really being "forgotten" but the modeler doing the refresh moved on to a new job before finishing. But I dunno if I buy that lol.
Possibly considered the more dynamic of the remaining original Phoenix Lords? Sure, that I could see. But forgotten about? Utter cobblers.
Spesh as the same source says, twice “there is no planned Phoenix Lord”, then lists…..planned Phoenix Lord.
And having built some relatively recently? The Dire Avengers need a refresh. That kit hasn’t aged well.
There was some stuff about karandras not really being "forgotten" but the modeler doing the refresh moved on to a new job before finishing. But I dunno if I buy that lol.
I can believe it. Sculptor is hired to do X, doesn't finish X and moves on and a month or two down the line a senior manager realises that the slot that X was going to be produced in hasn't got a model; goes chasing and finds halffinished work from a staffer that left and no one picked up the tab. Could easily happen if other sculptors were already committed to other projects and just didn't have the time and whatever deadlines there were for the model got too closer to the limit and it lost its production slot to another model etc...
xttz wrote: Plus KT release #2 is rumoured to contain new guard units, which GW will want to unveil before that codex. So there's still some reveals likely to come this year even if they don't involve new codexes.
Have we had any instances where back-to-back KT boxes have included the same factions?
xttz wrote: Plus KT release #2 is rumoured to contain new guard units, which GW will want to unveil before that codex. So there's still some reveals likely to come this year even if they don't involve new codexes.
Have we had any instances where back-to-back KT boxes have included the same factions?
Into the Dark - Navy Breachers (ended up in IG)
Shadowvaults - Kasrkin (obviously IG)
Soulshackle - Arbites (ended in IG)
Nachmund - CSM Moroch - Blooded (ended up in CSM Codex)
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Dire Avengers? They're from like 2006, not even old enough to vote yet.
The Falcon did two tours in Iraq and is on its third marriage to its second stripper.
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Dire Avengers? They're from like 2006, not even old enough to vote yet.
The Falcon did two tours in Iraq and is on its third marriage to its second stripper.
Nah dire avengers haven't aged well, they're old enough to vote in the UK as well (18).
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Dire Avengers? They're from like 2006, not even old enough to vote yet.
The Falcon did two tours in Iraq and is on its third marriage to its second stripper.
Nah dire avengers haven't aged well, they're old enough to vote in the UK as well (18).
This is Eldar - if it can’t drink in the US it’s practically a toddler!
Falcons, Vypers and Warp Spiders are older than half the forum!
You see with OW doing so well GW clearly can profit from old models! you wait and in 5 years time we'll have
"Warhammer the Classic Era!" Starting with the Rogue Trader era and re-releasing all the old classic models. Each new edition will work through a full previous 40K edition! RT, 2nd, 3rd etc....
Eldar priority has to be resin before plastic, older before newer. Dire Avengers are at the bottom of the pile for a refresh, unless there's a requirement for them to fit in with a refreshed Asurmen.
Khahandran wrote: Eldar priority has to be resin before plastic, older before newer. Dire Avengers are at the bottom of the pile for a refresh, unless there's a requirement for them to fit in with a refreshed Asurmen.
Khahandran wrote: Eldar priority has to be resin before plastic, older before newer. Dire Avengers are at the bottom of the pile for a refresh, unless there's a requirement for them to fit in with a refreshed Asurmen.
Yes, but why not both?
Because realistically speaking, they're not going to release that many things? That's even if I agree with you that there's something wrong with them, and I don't see it precisely because they're newer and in plastic.
Khahandran wrote: Eldar priority has to be resin before plastic, older before newer. Dire Avengers are at the bottom of the pile for a refresh, unless there's a requirement for them to fit in with a refreshed Asurmen.
Yes, but why not both?
Because realistically speaking, they're not going to release that many things? That's even if I agree with you that there's something wrong with them, and I don't see it precisely because they're newer and in plastic.
18 years sold is not new though, there are other people on this thread saying they haven't aged well.
Their 22 release was 10 kits, so clearly they can and do release that many things.
It's been a good few years since I assembled my Dire Avengers, but I distinctly remember how I wasn't thrilled by the larger size of their hands and weapons compared to the latest generation of Eldar coming out at the time. I'm sure there are other issues as well. The exact age isn't the point. It's like saying 2015 Sigmarines are still good because nine years isn't that old, but they were sculpted to a different standard than the much improved models we started getting three years ago. Dire Avengers are the same. They don't look comparable to modern Eldar infantry. That's reason enough to redo them.
18 years sold is not new though, there are other people on this thread saying they haven't aged well.
Their 22 release was 10 kits, so clearly they can and do release that many things.
I see where you're coming from, and to be honest they can go longer as a plastic kit as far as I'm concerned. They'll only slap on an extra £10 for the sake of it and is why I picked up a box of them before the price hike a few years ago.
But time has moved on and they've removed the aging Asurmen model from sale( well, I can no longer find him on the webstore at least ), and the current plastic kit for the Dire Avengers comes with bases smaller than those for the modern plastic sculpts(Guardians, Banshees, Reapers etc).
So I'd say its a given that as Jain Zar and Maugan Ra were accompanied by new banshees and reapers, it seems safe to assume that Asurmen will return for the new codex alongside brand new Dire Avengers as well - for the increased base size at least.
Personally, I don't mind waiting until next christmas for new Eldar stuff as my army is basically Seers & Guardian themed and I'm hopeful they'll introduce the Troupe Master with Kill Team. That said I was really in the mood for new Knight releases this side of Christmas so I didn't have to paint so much all in one go. Also, I hope they leave the Warwalker alone as that's become my favourite Eldar model in recent years.
Dire Avengers could easily be an upgrade sprue for Guardians. If it's good enough for Death Company which had a more recent, and excellent, plastic kit it's good enough for them.
I actually have that metal upgrade pack, never assembled. I won a box of Dire Avengers in a tournament, but I didn't play Eldar then so the got converted into Dark Eldar Warriors. DA bits are still in my bits box.
Khahandran wrote: Eldar priority has to be resin before plastic, older before newer. Dire Avengers are at the bottom of the pile for a refresh, unless there's a requirement for them to fit in with a refreshed Asurmen.
Yes, but why not both?
Because realistically speaking, they're not going to release that many things? That's even if I agree with you that there's something wrong with them, and I don't see it precisely because they're newer and in plastic.
18 years sold is not new though, there are other people on this thread saying they haven't aged well.
Their 22 release was 10 kits, so clearly they can and do release that many things.
I didn't say new. I said newer. 18 years is a damn sight newer than 30 years. I repeat what I said, resin models over already plastic models. Older models over newer.
I also didn't say they never release of that size. I said realistically. You don't get releases of that size every time. The remaining Phoenix Lords alone are half of that 10 even if it did happen. As for aged well, I put some together only a few years ago. The only thing 'wrong' as far as I'm concerned is how you feel about ball and socket over monopose, and I prefer ball.
Khahandran wrote: Eldar priority has to be resin before plastic, older before newer. Dire Avengers are at the bottom of the pile for a refresh, unless there's a requirement for them to fit in with a refreshed Asurmen.
Yes, but why not both?
Because realistically speaking, they're not going to release that many things? That's even if I agree with you that there's something wrong with them, and I don't see it precisely because they're newer and in plastic.
18 years sold is not new though, there are other people on this thread saying they haven't aged well.
Their 22 release was 10 kits, so clearly they can and do release that many things.
I didn't say new. I said newer. 18 years is a damn sight newer than 30 years. I repeat what I said, resin models over already plastic models. Older models over newer.
I also didn't say they never release of that size. I said realistically. You don't get releases of that size every time. The remaining Phoenix Lords alone are half of that 10 even if it did happen. As for aged well, I put some together only a few years ago. The only thing 'wrong' as far as I'm concerned is how you feel about ball and socket over monopose, and I prefer ball.
The fire dragons are newer than the dire avengers, just saying. I never mentioned ball and socket. The issue arose because of the prevailing attitude the BA release wasn't "small" which it really was.
