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Pretty underwhelming reveal event overall. The only areas of interest to me were Krieg for the next IG codex and Eldar on the horizon next year. Could have at least teased a couple of models for 40k, the Stormcast models are pretty meh, not terrible but nothing like what the Skaven reveals were like and it feels like more of the same which is a pity.
Overread wrote: Death Korps of Krieg Full release
More Craftworld Aspect warrior updates
Then Chaos for 40
All next year
That misses the key parts of context I think and makes it sound better than it is: There's nothing for the next 4 months.
2024:
Dark Angels - small refresh
Sisters - 1 character
Chaos marines - 2 characters (still not available)
Tau - kroot refresh
Imperial agents - 1 character
Blood Angels - small refresh
Gsc - 1 character
Orks - 1 character
Custodes - 1 character
I might be being little uppity but for their flagship product that seems a little poor for 12 months worth.
By contrast as someone with chaos forces, it's looking like 6 of the 7 chaos codexes might end up with a 12 month life span. They've also confirmed grey knights for early next year.
So the release order is, assumingly:
Guard - range refresh
Eldar - range refresh
Knights - 1 model(?)
Grey knights - 1 model(?)
Then 6 chaos factions, 2 marine supplements and 2 xenos to fit inside of 6 month window with the above or suffer the fate of "not out long enough to be used".
Given they might need to be rapid fire, LoV are rumoured an expansion wave, Wolves are undoubtedly getting a refresh and EC are set to become a new army with a new range. All those chaos factions, BT and Drukhari are likely to be 1 model releases. Again, for some factions.
I wouldn't exactly consider BA a small refresh while considering Guard or Eldar a 'range' refresh. Krieg could simply be a couple kits (heavy weapons, another Infantry kit), character and an upgrade sprue. This would be pretty compatible to BA who got an upgrade sprue, one new jump Infantry kit, but also four characters. Similarly I'd expect Eldar to just be a couple Infantry kits for Aspects, and then a couple characters.
I'm hoping (though this is more hope than anything) that GK get a redone power armour kit, in the same way regular marines had to wait for the embiggend Termies.
Edit: I also wouldn't consider there nothing for the next 4 months. BA haven't actually come out yet and I'd guess won't be out entirely until late September. I also then expect the next 'release' box late Nov / early Dec before the actual release in early Jan. December is usually slow for new releases due to the Christmas boxes. So really only losing out a month in there, which given its start of new AOS doesn't really surprise me much, especially if Killteam (not technically 40k but close) get their new box in say early Oct.
I think the delay to Chaos is due to the slow move to legion codexes, and deciding how they want to do them. If they are moving away from a combined Daemons codex and incorporating them into the legions, then it makes sense to try and release them near each other, rather than spread out during the edition.
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That misses the key parts of context I think and makes it sound better than it is: There's nothing for the next 4 months.
I might be being little uppity but for their flagship product that seems a little poor for 12 months worth.
It's probably fair to assume Krieg will again get an army box release before the holidays. Perhaps Eldar will too, given that they're already confirming the release focuses on new aspect warriors.
Also KT releases effectively count as 40k content, so it's plausible to see at least two and possibly four new teams before new year.
Glad I decided to go to sleep.
I’m usually rolling my eyes, when people complain about those reveal shows, because there is usually a lot of news, just the thing specifically they wanted wasn’t shown. Here? Damn, if you don’t collect stormcasts or wasn’t waiting for the hobgoblin team, you’re out of luck.
What the hell are those roadmaps? Left half of them is something we already got/going to get really soon/in the process of getting.
Horus Heresy - while the new faction peaks my interest, interesting what it might be (daemons or darkmech? Custodes or SoS would be a cheap cop out), 2025 - TANKS? Something we have already in abundance in that system.
Old World, my beloved - no sign of the gears cranking faster. That makes me sad.
Dawnbringer wrote: I wouldn't exactly consider BA a small refresh while considering Guard or Eldar a 'range' refresh. Krieg could simply be a couple kits (heavy weapons, another Infantry kit), character and an upgrade sprue. This would be pretty compatible to BA who got an upgrade sprue, one new jump Infantry kit, but also four characters. Similarly I'd expect Eldar to just be a couple Infantry kits for Aspects, and then a couple characters.
I'm hoping (though this is more hope than anything) that GK get a redone power armour kit, in the same way regular marines had to wait for the embiggend Termies.
Edit: I also wouldn't consider there nothing for the next 4 months. BA haven't actually come out yet and I'd guess won't be out entirely until late September. I also then expect the next 'release' box late Nov / early Dec before the actual release in early Jan. December is usually slow for new releases due to the Christmas boxes. So really only losing out a month in there, which given its start of new AOS doesn't really surprise me much, especially if Killteam (not technically 40k but close) get their new box in say early Oct.
I think the delay to Chaos is due to the slow move to legion codexes, and deciding how they want to do them. If they are moving away from a combined Daemons codex and incorporating them into the legions, then it makes sense to try and release them near each other, rather than spread out during the edition.
The BA release is absolutely a small refresh.
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Possible size of refresh = 4 units and 3-4 characters
And that's excluding the chance for anything new.
Krieg will likely need:
- command squad
- heavy weapons
- death riders
- ride master likely
- likely an infantry clampack character
- named character?
Likely expansion wave = 3 units - 3 characters
They could also release upgrade sprues for tanks/commanders as well.
So yes, 1 infantry kit, 1 upgrade sprue, 1 generic character and 3 named characters is a small refresh in reality when you consider they removed as many units as they refreshed.
To add to that blood angels are out in the wild pretty much via their early release, so double dipping them isn't really a new release in my eyes, same if guard get an early release box, it simply means they release it all again in January.
With regards chaos, they could have just pulled the plaster off earlier, rather than drag it out to make it look bad.
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Guessing the roadmaps are somewhat less definitive to give them wiggle room when it comes to the practicalities of releases.
And because some cynicism? A comparative lack of precision such as “Q1, Q2” etc may be to discourage folks foregoing impulse buys, as they know something they definitely want is coming in a few weeks? Not sure I’ve described that particularly well, but anyways.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Guessing the roadmaps are somewhat less definitive to give them wiggle room when it comes to the practicalities of releases.
And because some cynicism? A comparative lack of precision such as “Q1, Q2” etc may be to discourage folks foregoing impulse buys, as they know something they definitely want is coming in a few weeks? Not sure I’ve described that particularly well, but anyways.
I get that, but as none of my stuff is even on the horizon I'm now in lockdown mode on the wallet assuming that the books will drop with a shelf life too short for me to get use and assuming stuff will get added/cut from ranges. I've wanted a knight castigator for a while but not knowing if it'll be supported past a few months for 40k makes me not want to pull the trigger, so I've been waiting for the books to drop to see if they're included as an example.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Guessing the roadmaps are somewhat less definitive to give them wiggle room when it comes to the practicalities of releases.
And because some cynicism? A comparative lack of precision such as “Q1, Q2” etc may be to discourage folks foregoing impulse buys, as they know something they definitely want is coming in a few weeks? Not sure I’ve described that particularly well, but anyways.
Yeah that'll be a factor for sure. They acknowledged how unhappy people were over the HH melee sprue being promised for X date and ending up delayed, not to mention the LI launch debacle.
I expect to see a lot more vague hints of future releases for anything that isn't literally sitting in warehouses ready to ship out.
My brain follows the line, goes from the top left down along past, present and future, thus reading it as "And Beyond - even more to come in 2025" > "Warhammer The Old World logo(?)" > "Army boxes - Heroes - Plastic - Metal - Resin" > "More Factions" > "High Elves" > "Empire of Man" > "2025"
Maybe taking the "map" part too literally.
Even ignoring that, it's rare for a whole graphic to contain less information than would have been communicated in just a few words ("Empire and High Elves next, in 2025"...
At least the article itself contains a few more hints at what to expect. Looking forward to presumably seeing the plastic Empire Archers back, those are excellent, and could use a few more of the finely sculpted weapons for some Mordheim/Dogs of War conversions...
Okay friends, what ghak show was this. Worst then any other GW "preview".
They proved that they don't know ther customers, or the market; everyone wants Close Combat Weapons, more Infantry options ect. if online or offline in the community - what do they announce? MORE TANKS....
I must admit that I thought "more tanks!" was inviting armed rebellion from Heresy players. I assume they mean tanks for Solar and Mechanicum, and maybe for the yet undisclosed faction they mentioned.
My brain follows the line, goes from the top left down along past, present and future, thus reading it as "And Beyond - even more to come in 2025" > "Warhammer The Old World logo(?)" > "Army boxes - Heroes - Plastic - Metal - Resin" > "More Factions" > "High Elves" > "Empire of Man" > "2025"
Maybe taking the "map" part too literally.
Even ignoring that, it's rare for a whole graphic to contain less information than would have been communicated in just a few words ("Empire and High Elves next, in 2025"...
At least the article itself contains a few more hints at what to expect. Looking forward to presumably seeing the plastic Empire Archers back, those are excellent, and could use a few more of the finely sculpted weapons for some Mordheim/Dogs of War conversions...
Not just you. I definitely followed it the same way and was confused.
RazorEdge wrote: Okay friends, what ghak show was this. Worst then any other GW "preview".
They proved that they don't know ther customers, or the market; everyone wants Close Combat Weapons, more Infantry options ect. if online or offline in the community - what do they announce? MORE TANKS....
I mean, we did have an ACTUAL roadmap for the HH months ago that does show weapon upgrades and stuff coming. If only these roadmaps were as detailed
I get that GW doesn’t want to give too firm dates/orders, as people get pissed when they are missed or change. But damn, those roadmaps are vague and mostly useless.
Dawnbringer wrote: I wouldn't exactly consider BA a small refresh while considering Guard or Eldar a 'range' refresh. Krieg could simply be a couple kits (heavy weapons, another Infantry kit), character and an upgrade sprue. This would be pretty compatible to BA who got an upgrade sprue, one new jump Infantry kit, but also four characters. Similarly I'd expect Eldar to just be a couple Infantry kits for Aspects, and then a couple characters.
I'm hoping (though this is more hope than anything) that GK get a redone power armour kit, in the same way regular marines had to wait for the embiggend Termies.
Edit: I also wouldn't consider there nothing for the next 4 months. BA haven't actually come out yet and I'd guess won't be out entirely until late September. I also then expect the next 'release' box late Nov / early Dec before the actual release in early Jan. December is usually slow for new releases due to the Christmas boxes. So really only losing out a month in there, which given its start of new AOS doesn't really surprise me much, especially if Killteam (not technically 40k but close) get their new box in say early Oct.
I think the delay to Chaos is due to the slow move to legion codexes, and deciding how they want to do them. If they are moving away from a combined Daemons codex and incorporating them into the legions, then it makes sense to try and release them near each other, rather than spread out during the edition.
The BA release is absolutely a small refresh.
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Possible size of refresh = 4 units and 3-4 characters
And that's excluding the chance for anything new.
Krieg will likely need:
- command squad
- heavy weapons
- death riders
- ride master likely
- likely an infantry clampack character
- named character?
Likely expansion wave = 3 units - 3 characters
They could also release upgrade sprues for tanks/commanders as well.
So yes, 1 infantry kit, 1 upgrade sprue, 1 generic character and 3 named characters is a small refresh in reality when you consider they removed as many units as they refreshed.
To add to that blood angels are out in the wild pretty much via their early release, so double dipping them isn't really a new release in my eyes, same if guard get an early release box, it simply means they release it all again in January.
With regards chaos, they could have just pulled the plaster off earlier, rather than drag it out to make it look bad.
What's coming for eldar got leaked a while back, hilariously Karandras got forgotten even though he was supposed to be in it.
Dawnbringer wrote: I wouldn't exactly consider BA a small refresh while considering Guard or Eldar a 'range' refresh. Krieg could simply be a couple kits (heavy weapons, another Infantry kit), character and an upgrade sprue. This would be pretty compatible to BA who got an upgrade sprue, one new jump Infantry kit, but also four characters. Similarly I'd expect Eldar to just be a couple Infantry kits for Aspects, and then a couple characters.
I'm hoping (though this is more hope than anything) that GK get a redone power armour kit, in the same way regular marines had to wait for the embiggend Termies.
Edit: I also wouldn't consider there nothing for the next 4 months. BA haven't actually come out yet and I'd guess won't be out entirely until late September. I also then expect the next 'release' box late Nov / early Dec before the actual release in early Jan. December is usually slow for new releases due to the Christmas boxes. So really only losing out a month in there, which given its start of new AOS doesn't really surprise me much, especially if Killteam (not technically 40k but close) get their new box in say early Oct.
I think the delay to Chaos is due to the slow move to legion codexes, and deciding how they want to do them. If they are moving away from a combined Daemons codex and incorporating them into the legions, then it makes sense to try and release them near each other, rather than spread out during the edition.
The BA release is absolutely a small refresh.
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Possible size of refresh = 4 units and 3-4 characters
And that's excluding the chance for anything new.
Krieg will likely need:
- command squad
- heavy weapons
- death riders
- ride master likely
- likely an infantry clampack character
- named character?
Likely expansion wave = 3 units - 3 characters
They could also release upgrade sprues for tanks/commanders as well.
So yes, 1 infantry kit, 1 upgrade sprue, 1 generic character and 3 named characters is a small refresh in reality when you consider they removed as many units as they refreshed.
To add to that blood angels are out in the wild pretty much via their early release, so double dipping them isn't really a new release in my eyes, same if guard get an early release box, it simply means they release it all again in January.
With regards chaos, they could have just pulled the plaster off earlier, rather than drag it out to make it look bad.
What's coming for eldar got leaked a while back, hilariously Karandras got forgotten even though he was supposed to be in it.
Spoiler:
I completely forgot fire dragons as well to be honest. Either way I think it's safe to say that would indeed make BA look like a small refresh.
I wasn't expecting much at all, but wow, those roadmaps are just terrible. More text dedicated to pointlessly telling us what they've already released than there is anything else, followed by the name of a faction next to a vague date of just the year and half a dozen words that tell us basically nothing.
Who could have guessed that there are more armies to be released after Imperial Guard, Eldar and Imperial Knights?! And I bet no one predicted that The Old world would have miniatures in plastic, metal and resin!
Dawnbringer wrote: I wouldn't exactly consider BA a small refresh while considering Guard or Eldar a 'range' refresh. Krieg could simply be a couple kits (heavy weapons, another Infantry kit), character and an upgrade sprue. This would be pretty compatible to BA who got an upgrade sprue, one new jump Infantry kit, but also four characters. Similarly I'd expect Eldar to just be a couple Infantry kits for Aspects, and then a couple characters.
I'm hoping (though this is more hope than anything) that GK get a redone power armour kit, in the same way regular marines had to wait for the embiggend Termies.
Edit: I also wouldn't consider there nothing for the next 4 months. BA haven't actually come out yet and I'd guess won't be out entirely until late September. I also then expect the next 'release' box late Nov / early Dec before the actual release in early Jan. December is usually slow for new releases due to the Christmas boxes. So really only losing out a month in there, which given its start of new AOS doesn't really surprise me much, especially if Killteam (not technically 40k but close) get their new box in say early Oct.
I think the delay to Chaos is due to the slow move to legion codexes, and deciding how they want to do them. If they are moving away from a combined Daemons codex and incorporating them into the legions, then it makes sense to try and release them near each other, rather than spread out during the edition.
The BA release is absolutely a small refresh.
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Possible size of refresh = 4 units and 3-4 characters
And that's excluding the chance for anything new.
Krieg will likely need:
- command squad
- heavy weapons
- death riders
- ride master likely
- likely an infantry clampack character
- named character?
Likely expansion wave = 3 units - 3 characters
They could also release upgrade sprues for tanks/commanders as well.
So yes, 1 infantry kit, 1 upgrade sprue, 1 generic character and 3 named characters is a small refresh in reality when you consider they removed as many units as they refreshed.
To add to that blood angels are out in the wild pretty much via their early release, so double dipping them isn't really a new release in my eyes, same if guard get an early release box, it simply means they release it all again in January.
With regards chaos, they could have just pulled the plaster off earlier, rather than drag it out to make it look bad.
What's coming for eldar got leaked a while back, hilariously Karandras got forgotten even though he was supposed to be in it.
Spoiler:
I completely forgot fire dragons as well to be honest. Either way I think it's safe to say that would indeed make BA look like a small refresh.
I mean, I'm seeing 4 characters and and two Infantry sets. BA got 4 (5, forgot the Sanguinor) characters, and Jump Infantry Team, and a 'large' upgrade sprue. Not seeing a whole lot of difference there.
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