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I like the Stormcast, even if the multipart Reclusians feel a bit redundant.
But the roadmaps are *dire*, and the event was a total mess. The worst part was it seems like one of the reasons the roadmaps are so bad is because there's a real lack of product coming for the rest of the year. Maybe the ERP issues are screwing up their ability to ship. But after a real misfire of Codex Imperial Agents/Coteaz, the death of the Deathwatch and a lukewarm BA release it's obviously a very bad narrative move to have no product for a third of a year, especially around 40k.
So if you have bad news like that, a) spread it out and b) don't hype up a big preview show where you reveal the bad news and waffle over it and pretend it's good! What did they think the reactions to this would be?
Dawnbringer wrote: I wouldn't exactly consider BA a small refresh while considering Guard or Eldar a 'range' refresh. Krieg could simply be a couple kits (heavy weapons, another Infantry kit), character and an upgrade sprue. This would be pretty compatible to BA who got an upgrade sprue, one new jump Infantry kit, but also four characters. Similarly I'd expect Eldar to just be a couple Infantry kits for Aspects, and then a couple characters.
I'm hoping (though this is more hope than anything) that GK get a redone power armour kit, in the same way regular marines had to wait for the embiggend Termies.
Edit: I also wouldn't consider there nothing for the next 4 months. BA haven't actually come out yet and I'd guess won't be out entirely until late September. I also then expect the next 'release' box late Nov / early Dec before the actual release in early Jan. December is usually slow for new releases due to the Christmas boxes. So really only losing out a month in there, which given its start of new AOS doesn't really surprise me much, especially if Killteam (not technically 40k but close) get their new box in say early Oct.
I think the delay to Chaos is due to the slow move to legion codexes, and deciding how they want to do them. If they are moving away from a combined Daemons codex and incorporating them into the legions, then it makes sense to try and release them near each other, rather than spread out during the edition.
The BA release is absolutely a small refresh.
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Possible size of refresh = 4 units and 3-4 characters
And that's excluding the chance for anything new.
Krieg will likely need:
- command squad
- heavy weapons
- death riders
- ride master likely
- likely an infantry clampack character
- named character?
Likely expansion wave = 3 units - 3 characters
They could also release upgrade sprues for tanks/commanders as well.
So yes, 1 infantry kit, 1 upgrade sprue, 1 generic character and 3 named characters is a small refresh in reality when you consider they removed as many units as they refreshed.
To add to that blood angels are out in the wild pretty much via their early release, so double dipping them isn't really a new release in my eyes, same if guard get an early release box, it simply means they release it all again in January.
With regards chaos, they could have just pulled the plaster off earlier, rather than drag it out to make it look bad.
What's coming for eldar got leaked a while back, hilariously Karandras got forgotten even though he was supposed to be in it.
Spoiler:
I completely forgot fire dragons as well to be honest. Either way I think it's safe to say that would indeed make BA look like a small refresh.
I mean, I'm seeing 4 characters and and two Infantry sets. BA got 4 (5, forgot the Sanguinor) characters, and Jump Infantry Team, and a 'large' upgrade sprue. Not seeing a whole lot of difference there.
BA get:
- captain
- lemartes
- astorath
- sanguinor
- sang guard
- upgrade sprue
Unless I've picked up some inbred extra thumbs which are throwing it off that's 4 characters, 1 unit and some bits.
Whether eldar get more or less isn't entirely relevant - that's a pants upgrade where BA lost more units than they had updates and compared to what a proper range refresh looks like and to be flatly honest is possible for the other armies, it is small.
World eaters launched with:
3 infantry kits
1 mounted character
1 monster
That's barely half an army and more raw frames of plastic than BA got. These small releases are not great unless they get some form of follow up and I'm simply saying it's not good to start encouraging this to be the norm. Getting 2-3 units refreshed/added every 9 years or so with a couple of clam packs in between isn't great.
Didn't know about this 'preview,' so hard to be disappointed that its basically nothing.
It seems like everything for the rest of the year is already announced (sigmar, TOW chaos, HH mech, blood angels), and the remaining third of 2024 is basically written off.
Exciting!
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It seems like everything for the rest of the year is already announced (sigmar, TOW chaos, HH mech, blood angels), and the remaining third of 2024 is basically written off.
Given GW's typical doublespeak with codex release schedules* I'd say there's certainly a non-zero chance of army boxes before the holidays for at least some of Krieg / Eldar / IK.
Plus KT release #2 is rumoured to contain new guard units, which GW will want to unveil before that codex. So there's still some reveals likely to come this year even if they don't involve new codexes.
I think Old World players have been slowly accepting that this game is being released at the predictable one army per quarter rate that seemed likely at the start of the year. And now finally GW are comfortable admitting it. The army ranges will be done around the end of 2025, and Kislev and/or Cathay will be out around 2027. If things don't get delayed.
Ehh, dunno bout that. We had 5 factions this year which is a faster pace than 1/quarter. It seems. HE were planned for this year apparently and got delayed so it would've been 6 if not for "court intrigue". These "roadmaps" are also often only a 6 month window so you're probably looking at empire and HE out by around march and I don't see them waiting another 9 months to do WE and Beastmen.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
I can't see them doing two elf armies back to back, so that leaves Wood Elves last. If this edition lasts to 2027 or 2028 i'll be pleased though. Let it stew for a while, i'm not a huge fan of edition churn unless there are meaningful improvements to be made.
A Kislev army seems essential considering the narrative buildup they seem to be going after.
Possibly considered the more dynamic of the remaining original Phoenix Lords? Sure, that I could see. But forgotten about? Utter cobblers.
Spesh as the same source says, twice “there is no planned Phoenix Lord”, then lists…..planned Phoenix Lord.
And having built some relatively recently? The Dire Avengers need a refresh. That kit hasn’t aged well.
There was some stuff about karandras not really being "forgotten" but the modeler doing the refresh moved on to a new job before finishing. But I dunno if I buy that lol.
Possibly considered the more dynamic of the remaining original Phoenix Lords? Sure, that I could see. But forgotten about? Utter cobblers.
Spesh as the same source says, twice “there is no planned Phoenix Lord”, then lists…..planned Phoenix Lord.
And having built some relatively recently? The Dire Avengers need a refresh. That kit hasn’t aged well.
There was some stuff about karandras not really being "forgotten" but the modeler doing the refresh moved on to a new job before finishing. But I dunno if I buy that lol.
I can believe it. Sculptor is hired to do X, doesn't finish X and moves on and a month or two down the line a senior manager realises that the slot that X was going to be produced in hasn't got a model; goes chasing and finds halffinished work from a staffer that left and no one picked up the tab. Could easily happen if other sculptors were already committed to other projects and just didn't have the time and whatever deadlines there were for the model got too closer to the limit and it lost its production slot to another model etc...
xttz wrote: Plus KT release #2 is rumoured to contain new guard units, which GW will want to unveil before that codex. So there's still some reveals likely to come this year even if they don't involve new codexes.
Have we had any instances where back-to-back KT boxes have included the same factions?
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
xttz wrote: Plus KT release #2 is rumoured to contain new guard units, which GW will want to unveil before that codex. So there's still some reveals likely to come this year even if they don't involve new codexes.
Have we had any instances where back-to-back KT boxes have included the same factions?
Into the Dark - Navy Breachers (ended up in IG)
Shadowvaults - Kasrkin (obviously IG)
Soulshackle - Arbites (ended in IG)
Nachmund - CSM Moroch - Blooded (ended up in CSM Codex)
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Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Dire Avengers? They're from like 2006, not even old enough to vote yet.
The Falcon did two tours in Iraq and is on its third marriage to its second stripper.
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Dire Avengers? They're from like 2006, not even old enough to vote yet.
The Falcon did two tours in Iraq and is on its third marriage to its second stripper.
Nah dire avengers haven't aged well, they're old enough to vote in the UK as well (18).
Eldar have outstanding:
- dire avengers
- warp spiders
- swooping hawks
- asurmen
- baharroth
- karandras
- possible waprspider exarch
- I'll give the falcon a pass but they need a vyper
Dire Avengers? They're from like 2006, not even old enough to vote yet.
The Falcon did two tours in Iraq and is on its third marriage to its second stripper.
Nah dire avengers haven't aged well, they're old enough to vote in the UK as well (18).
This is Eldar - if it can’t drink in the US it’s practically a toddler!
Falcons, Vypers and Warp Spiders are older than half the forum!
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You see with OW doing so well GW clearly can profit from old models! you wait and in 5 years time we'll have
"Warhammer the Classic Era!" Starting with the Rogue Trader era and re-releasing all the old classic models. Each new edition will work through a full previous 40K edition! RT, 2nd, 3rd etc....
Eldar priority has to be resin before plastic, older before newer. Dire Avengers are at the bottom of the pile for a refresh, unless there's a requirement for them to fit in with a refreshed Asurmen.
Khahandran wrote: Eldar priority has to be resin before plastic, older before newer. Dire Avengers are at the bottom of the pile for a refresh, unless there's a requirement for them to fit in with a refreshed Asurmen.
Khahandran wrote: Eldar priority has to be resin before plastic, older before newer. Dire Avengers are at the bottom of the pile for a refresh, unless there's a requirement for them to fit in with a refreshed Asurmen.
Yes, but why not both?
Because realistically speaking, they're not going to release that many things? That's even if I agree with you that there's something wrong with them, and I don't see it precisely because they're newer and in plastic.
Khahandran wrote: Eldar priority has to be resin before plastic, older before newer. Dire Avengers are at the bottom of the pile for a refresh, unless there's a requirement for them to fit in with a refreshed Asurmen.
Yes, but why not both?
Because realistically speaking, they're not going to release that many things? That's even if I agree with you that there's something wrong with them, and I don't see it precisely because they're newer and in plastic.
18 years sold is not new though, there are other people on this thread saying they haven't aged well.
Their 22 release was 10 kits, so clearly they can and do release that many things.
It's been a good few years since I assembled my Dire Avengers, but I distinctly remember how I wasn't thrilled by the larger size of their hands and weapons compared to the latest generation of Eldar coming out at the time. I'm sure there are other issues as well. The exact age isn't the point. It's like saying 2015 Sigmarines are still good because nine years isn't that old, but they were sculpted to a different standard than the much improved models we started getting three years ago. Dire Avengers are the same. They don't look comparable to modern Eldar infantry. That's reason enough to redo them.
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Why is the rum always gone?
18 years sold is not new though, there are other people on this thread saying they haven't aged well.
Their 22 release was 10 kits, so clearly they can and do release that many things.
I see where you're coming from, and to be honest they can go longer as a plastic kit as far as I'm concerned. They'll only slap on an extra £10 for the sake of it and is why I picked up a box of them before the price hike a few years ago.
But time has moved on and they've removed the aging Asurmen model from sale( well, I can no longer find him on the webstore at least ), and the current plastic kit for the Dire Avengers comes with bases smaller than those for the modern plastic sculpts(Guardians, Banshees, Reapers etc).
So I'd say its a given that as Jain Zar and Maugan Ra were accompanied by new banshees and reapers, it seems safe to assume that Asurmen will return for the new codex alongside brand new Dire Avengers as well - for the increased base size at least.
Personally, I don't mind waiting until next christmas for new Eldar stuff as my army is basically Seers & Guardian themed and I'm hopeful they'll introduce the Troupe Master with Kill Team. That said I was really in the mood for new Knight releases this side of Christmas so I didn't have to paint so much all in one go. Also, I hope they leave the Warwalker alone as that's become my favourite Eldar model in recent years.
Dire Avengers could easily be an upgrade sprue for Guardians. If it's good enough for Death Company which had a more recent, and excellent, plastic kit it's good enough for them.
Billicus wrote: Dire Avengers could easily be an upgrade sprue for Guardians.
You mean like that time that they were that?
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