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Friday 22nd November - 1pm EST / 6PM GMT

Mmmm.’ MOAR HERESY.

Get it in my upper face holes now! And just a week to wait, which is nice.

WHF: Empire or High elves, whichever they decided to kick out first.

40K: Whatever the next codex is.

AoS: Next tome, presumably Warclans as we've already got the Hob leak:

Heresy: Toss up, but as the focus was a titan, presuming LI.

40K - I'm expecting the Krieg models to be revealed, maybe a launch box as well.

If there's anything else, it'll be a small hint at Eldar or maybe just the topknot of an Emperor's Child or something.

WHF: Presumably that Chaos champion from the arcane journal who doesn't have a model?

40K: Krieg. Maybe something very vague about Eldar or an EC weapon or something.

Heresy: Probably a couple of the Marine characters from the Martian book. Maybe a hint at plastic tank.

AOS: Gloomspite doom diver?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Heresy: Toss up, but as the focus was a titan, presuming LI.

They've said on FB it's not LI.

Yeah they're usually pretty specific about which games are featured. Like the show last month specifically called out Legions Imperialis but not regular Heresy.

Note it also says “and more” at the end.

Could be teasers at the end, as honestly with a new year bearing down fast, this may be a more substantial preview.

40k was probably going to be Fuegan, but someone ruined the surprise. But perhaps some fire dragons?

Not expecting anything for EC, but something substantive for heresy would be nice even if it's just a tank

I'm guessing Krios and Karaknos tanks for Mechanicum

The 40K roadmap seems to show Astra Militarum up next, but I'd be happy to see either Eldar or Knights. Given how far into 10th edition we are, it might be Emperors Children...

30K could be anything. New edition, economical starter set, Custodes or Daemons. The first plastic titan would be the talk of 2025! I'd just like rules for the Dominus as I rather like that kit, but its limited to use in 40K alone...

AOS will be the battletome churn, and after the Sacrosant culling I'm not interested in replacing those model thus nor going any further with the game.

TOW is a bit underwhelming limited to a single game. A spinoff board game would be ideal until the arrival of Mordheim or TOW:Warmaster. Classic Warhammer Quest? I think given the success of Heroquest this would be very popular.

And more? BSF has recently bowed out and was very popular in top solo game lists. A new 40K Quest would be a smart move about now...

Emperors Children are in the renders preview stage. At most I'd expect a few renders of weapons like swords and a sonic blaster.

Plastic Warhound would have me pre-ordering 2 from my flgs. Maybe more likely is a resin full size Dire wolf as far as titans go.

Not excited for Kreig at all, bit if it means a new Basilisk/Medusa kit, that would be worthwhile.

Heresy I'd be expecting another wave of Mechanicum models in plastic considering how basically anything in their range that isn't currently in plastic is either "sold out" or hasn't been restocked in ages.

There are few seconds of the preview about a battle in the space. But I don't see ships, just two creatures. In those moments, the voice says "Rise"

I don't think we'll see EC until at least April. I am keeping everything crossed that when SW drop the Wolf King returns from the warp.

 1984Phantom wrote:
There are few seconds of the preview about a battle in the space. But I don't see ships, just two creatures. In those moments, the voice says "Rise"

I would read too much into the space display. Because of the nature of 40K and 30K basically everything involves space on some level to get factions into battle. Fleets will rise and fall around ground games that we play out as they transport troops, titans and more to the battlefield and from it.

Everybody seems to be getting their hopes up for fancy teasers. Just expect another Primaris Lieutenant, maybe some random Heresy Space Marine character in Mk3 armour in the exact same pose as all the recent Sons of Horus characters...and you won't be too disappointed

Well, they call it a "huge reveal" so I will expect them to deliver more than single characters or 3d renders.
Or its a pun on plastic warhound beeing huge, like they did with the mega gargants beeing "the biggest release of the year" and a "new massive army".

Media hype going to hype, so put a lot of salt on what the publicity wonks have to say. Everything is the biggest, best, most superlative, etc.

Hopefully we will get some good reveals, but tempered expectations are probably a good idea.

 Fayric wrote:
Well, they call it a "huge reveal" so I will expect them to deliver more than single characters or 3d renders.
Or its a pun on plastic warhound beeing huge, like they did with the mega gargants beeing "the biggest release of the year" and a "new massive army".

Warhound plastic would be amazing, but unlikely. I'd bet on Thunderhawk before it. Realistically, a resin Dire wolf or reveal of solar aux baneblade or legion felblade would fit with "huge." Or a full wave 2 of mechanicum. Krios we know is getting a kit, karaknos, ursurax and thanatar calis are all just sprue swaps of existing sets, and we have seen myrmadons, domitar, vorax, and the drone thing in small scale.

I'd say the Magaera/Styrix would be an ideal candidate for a plastic kit - two birds with one stone, both using the same Mechanicum armour and Questoris components. I...might be interested in one. Not sure.

In terms of potential sales volumes, the ickle Mechanicum Knights aren’t just Heavy Support choices, but can be taken in squadrons.

Maybe two to a box, two box variants with different weapon Sprues, and the weapon Sprues sold separately. Boof. Decent sales potential.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
In terms of potential sales volumes, the ickle Mechanicum Knights aren’t just Heavy Support choices, but can be taken in squadrons.

Maybe two to a box, two box variants with different weapon Sprues, and the weapon Sprues sold separately. Boof. Decent sales potential.

In addition you'd get by using the additional sprue with the core body/lesgs frame from the armiger box, so no need for massive extra tooling perhaps.

The Magaera/Styrix & Armiger Moirax still have 40k rules as well (under Imperial Armour).

beast_gts wrote:
The Magaera/Styrix & Armiger Moirax still have 40k rules as well (under Imperial Armour).

I wonder if the Knight codex releasing after guard/eldar is any indication of more plastic kits for HH before then. Them and custodes seem to be the special exceptions.

 xttz wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
The Magaera/Styrix & Armiger Moirax still have 40k rules as well (under Imperial Armour).

I wonder if the Knight codex releasing after guard/eldar is any indication of more plastic kits for HH before then. Them and custodes seem to be the special exceptions.

Roadmap said new kits every month for Heresy. I can’t recall if it referred to just AoD or AoD and LI.

Apparently for the rest of 2024, "Other factions lurk, waiting for the perfect moment to strike". That comes directly after the mention of Mechanicum, and elsewhere they said that 28mm Dark Mechanicum was "a long way off".

So I'm wondering what's left this side of Christmas, so late. They said "factions" so maybe a new book for Daemons or Militia models? I can only assume they'll announce it on Friday and probably go straight up for preorder the following Saturday - with then a two week window.

I'm assuming that the new edition of MESBG is itself is the big Christmas release?

With mentions in the Martian civil war book and a lack or praetors, I'm still guessing that other factions lurking is referring to some resin raven guard models

Wow, my Ignorant American card just auto-renewed... I don't recognize most of those time zones....

Seriously, maybe the release of some new HH kits might also be used with the upcoming 40k imperial knight codex coming in 2025.

SamusDrake wrote:
Apparently for the rest of 2024, "Other factions lurk, waiting for the perfect moment to strike". That comes directly after the mention of Mechanicum, and elsewhere they said that 28mm Dark Mechanicum was "a long way off".

So I'm wondering what's left this side of Christmas, so late. They said "factions" so maybe a new book for Daemons or Militia models? I can only assume they'll announce it on Friday and probably go straight up for preorder the following Saturday - with then a two week window.

I'm assuming that the new edition of MESBG is itself is the big Christmas release?

The next release wave to be announced will be in stores on Dec 14th, and realistically it might only be that. For the following week I'm not expecting very much beyond a batch of MTO, as GW usually don't do major releases immediately before the holidays.

WarCom has previously said that DarkMech stalkers would be available before the end of the year, so LI is my first expectation. I think Necromunda also has unreleased stuff currently too? Necromunda / MESBG / LI all together is fairly plausible to finish off the year.

I'm really hoping to see Krieg in the preview; I want a few hundred points of Guard for narrative shenanigans, and I've already got one unit of Krieg from KT, so that's what I'm looking to grow.

At the same time, managing expectations is the best plan. I had some high hopes for the guard, but I don't think many of them are going true.

And even if the preview IS guard, it might only be a unit or two. If it's a launch box for Krieg, we would see all of the units in the box... But that might not be all that's coming.

Likely for the Old World it will be Empire (teased as the next army to drop) and they will tell us what's being brought out of retirement hopefully the militia kit!

 Fayric wrote:
Well, they call it a "huge reveal" so I will expect them to deliver more than single characters or 3d renders.
Or its a pun on plastic warhound beeing huge, like they did with the mega gargants beeing "the biggest release of the year" and a "new massive army".

GW claims it's a "huge reveal" every time they fart, so don't get your hopes up too high here :

Well, a smidgen over 8 hours to go.

I’m expecting this to be relatively substantial. Specifically because we’re coming up to the New Year, and roadmaps need fleshing out. Certainly for Age of Darkness, we have no detailed roadmap at all, as nothing has been announced that isn’t now released.

So I got up all excited to open WarCom aaand it's PM, not AM

Y’daft ‘apporth.

Still, easy enough mistake to make.

Well, at least we can now pass the time by ridiculing lord_blackfang's misfortune. But I'm off to see Wicked, so I'll have a dig when I get back.

I am also sad. I thought the preview was next Friday, not today, until I opened this thread. Now I’m going to be waiting all day instead of being pleasantly surprised

F in the chat for all of us!

6 hours to go? At least I have a new printer to build in the mean time.

I’ve got work until four.

Except I hit 150% of target already, so not exactly inclined to acquiesce to do even more.

Surprised they haven't put up any silhouettes up yet as a teaser.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Surprised they haven't put up any silhouettes up yet as a teaser.

Maybe we only get new roadmaps, no models

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Surprised they haven't put up any silhouettes up yet as a teaser.

Maybe we only get new roadmaps, no models

Have they even released anything from the 40K roadmap since the last preview show?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Surprised they haven't put up any silhouettes up yet as a teaser.

Maybe we only get new roadmaps, no models

We have a Heresy roadmap. I want to see pictures of the tanks. Krios and Karaknos probably, Sicaran variants and Aurox less likely, Felblade/Glaive and/or Baneblade+ variants wishfully

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Felblade/Glaive and/or Baneblade+ variants wishfully

Interestingly the resin Falchion & Glaive are no longer listed on the GW UK site. Fellblade still is, but shows out of stock.

 Asmodai wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Surprised they haven't put up any silhouettes up yet as a teaser.

Maybe we only get new roadmaps, no models

Have they even released anything from the 40K roadmap since the last preview show?

Only Blood Angels. And there wasn't anything else on it for this year.

Cannot wait for Votann reveals.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Cannot wait for Votann reveals.

I mean, you'll have to wait at least 6 months. Sorry.

Dudeface wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Cannot wait for Votann reveals.

I mean, you'll have to wait at least 6 months. Sorry.

Not cool to burst peoples bubbles like that Dude.

talking with my girlfriend about the space marine baneblades being sold out/removed from the store, and also that we're due for a new heresy campaign book soon, so if the reveal is going to be those in plastic, she thinks it's likely for it to be Tallarn, which would also make sense for keeping AOD and LI in loose synchronicity

I for one hope it's not a plastic Fellblade hull, which is just a Baneblade with all the texture scraped off.

If we go by stuff soldout/removed from store then I would expecting HH to be chock full of Mechanicum based models considering several are sold out whilst at least 2 are using the very same core parts as existing plastic ones (in fact I was a little surprised GW didn't just make them duel kits)

90 minute warning, if I got time zones correct

I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and assume the Black Library reveal will either be:

A model of the Harrowmaster that stole back the Pale Spear's tip (hence the rumor engine)

The last Bequin novel

The Scouring Series

Right, laptop down, laundry done and put away, bed made, heating back on, and time enough to make Nachos, once my food shop has arrived.

Yep. I’m all set.

Right. I'm back.

Apart from lord_blackfang getting the time wrong - sorry, I did promise a dig so I have to be true to my word - what did I miss? Anything before the reveals themselves?

There's the silhouette image

Deredeo, Arlatax, possibly Mounted Custard?

Left is the Hobgrot boss and right a teddy bear slamming a hammer in its own face.

Mount is obviously something empire

Just wanted to say good luck; we're all counting on you.

No, its a Kreig Death Rider.

https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer

LIVE

"A whole bunch of stuff to show you"

Looking good the army set for Krieg.

Daaamn, Krieg are cool... except the clawed paws on horses... wtf?

Now that’s a promising start!

Ha, mounted guy is a Krieger! XD

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Daaamn, Krieg are cool... except the clawed paws on horses... wtf?

They've had that since forever.

Hell yeah Krieg army set!

And Death Rider horses have always had claws, because more death.

Krieg. Kewl. Not my thing but others will be over the moon.

Deathriders are freaking awesome

Hey look! Pies.

Sorry. Sandbags.

Krieg is an absolute must-buy for me. Glorious.

I'm not going to do a Guard army any time soon, but they've done a good job with these.

It will probably look less jarring if you don't paint the claws like they were surgically grafted from a different animal.

Artillery is great.

Surprised they aren't meming shovels on the Engineers.

Even the Krieg have a cute little robot sidekick! "It has been an honour serving with you."

Also a dual Heavy Stubber weapons team there.

Ahaha stream hanged.

stream died XD

The Krieg were too much!

Got to say I do really like that new codex cover; feels very grim-dark!

Has the feed crapped out for anyone else?

Youtube is working

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmcDMPj7D2o&ab_channel=Warhammer

Commissar is fantastic.

Dual SKULLS!

COMMISSAR CADET

The Chemist looks full Trench Crusade

Is the stream freezing for anyone else?!

Empire of Man for The Old World. Kewl.

Wot, no new Knights?

Boooo.

Watch on Youtube instead!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmcDMPj7D2o

died again... ridiculous.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Is the stream freezing for anyone else?!

Yup. Switch to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmcDMPj7D2o


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Teutogen Guard.

Lack of Knights somewhat forgiven.

Hahaha plastic Arvus befor plastic... whatever we were waiting for.

Plastic Arvus is a must have, but otherwise a bit disappointing for 30K. Nice if you're a Marine or Solar-inclined player.

Glad to see the Free Company kit back again it's a Mordheim kit but still holds up.

Orc faction terrain and endless spells!

Mmmm.

Deredeo.

Orruks!

The split between Kruelboys and Orruks is sounding positive in my view - perhaps next edition they'll splinter fully; but still gives them really a great amount of space to grow as their own theme and idea

Urgghh....not been worth the wait for this preview. Glad its been fruitful for others.

Wasn't expecting much for IJ after the last release but Kruleboyz could do with another wave. The Tower looks odd on that base will have to scratch build something more suitable.

Those wolf riders are freaking amazing! and I say that as a general non-goblin fan

Those Gobbos are great!!!DOOM DIVER!

GITZ MAH GITZ

That Gitmob release just made my day!

I'm just going to say it: Krieg is BLOAT.

Slightly different special character leader on horse
Slightly different Field Ordnance Battery
Slightly different Heavy Weapon Squad
Probably slightly different Rough Riders

The wolves are cool.

Amazing preview. Krieg AND Gobbos? I wonder if those wolf riders and chariots would fit on square TOS bases...

SamusDrake wrote:
Just wanted to say good luck; we're all counting on you.

Why yes, I will take 40 Empire Militia/Mordheim Gang Members thank you. In fact I may take 80.

My favorite infantry kit, EVER.

 AceXT wrote:
Amazing preview. Krieg AND Gobbos? I wonder if those wolf riders and chariots would fit on square TOS bases...

They might be a bit large, but you could put them on a movement tray perhaps and have them fit; or at least do a "this counts as 2 models" type deal.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I'm just going to say it: Krieg is BLOAT.

Slightly different special character leader on horse
Slightly different Field Ordnance Battery
Slightly different Heavy Weapon Squad
Probably slightly different Rough Riders

I remember a time when GW released a bunch of alternate sculpts for all kinds of model ranges. Dozens of chaos champions and sorcerers... Those were better times.
Now if they would just stop making individual profiles for every single model and instead go back to the old days, there wouldn't be any bloat. A guardsman is a guardsman, a chaos warrior is a chaos warrior. Who cares if they look different?
Models are not bloat. Endless rules for every single little thing, that's bloat.

Gitmob is certainly a surprise. I honestly think they got a bit too epic, too cool, too hardcore for gobbos.

Gitmob army set

Grumpy stabby elf is back! In book form

Ah, these are the wolves Valrak thought was SW!

Oooooooooh!

Swooping Hawks!

Warp Spiders! And a Phoenix Lord!

Fire Dragons!

Asurmen!

It’s only taken about eleventh squillion years!

WARPSPIDERS WARPSPIDERS!

Wow just straight up all the missing Eldar?

Okay, Eldar saved the preview for me.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow just straight up all the missing Eldar?

Pretty much yeah! That's one really sweet chunky Eldar release!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hahaha plastic Arvus befor plastic... whatever we were waiting for.

I'll take TEN of them!

Oh.

Wait.

I already scratch built ten of them...

Ah just have to kitbash them into Thunderhawks or something.

And there it is, all the Elveses put all in the one Codex.

 Gert wrote:
And there it is, all the Elveses put all in the one Codex.

Dark Space Elves and Clowns too?

Sounds like it from what they said. Unless it's just some Harlequin and Drukhari units so that Ynarri are playable.

Links for the Link Lord!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/csbikvdh/world-championships-preview-the-death-korps-mobilise-for-all-out-war/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bjde20vi/world-championships-preview-the-empire-of-man-is-united-in-war/


https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/vab9rzvn/world-championship-preview-the-gitmob-prepare-to-race-across-the-mortal-realms/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/oaqdfr4a/world-championships-preview-reinforcements-for-the-orruk-warclans/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/csbikvdh/world-championships-preview-the-arvus-lighter-lands-with-armour-support/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/gw3wcpc7/world-championships-preview-aeldari-phoenix-lords-step-from-the-webway/

 Gert wrote:
Sounds like it from what they said. Unless it's just some Harlequin and Drukhari units so that Ynarri are playable.

Some Harlequin/Drukhari units are all they have.

 Gert wrote:
Sounds like it from what they said. Unless it's just some Harlequin and Drukhari units so that Ynarri are playable.

It'll be like the Battle Sisters in Codex: Imperial Agents; just the squads that can used by that subfaction. SO this codex will have Warriors, Wyches and Incubi. We'll still get a full book for the cool eldar.

 Gert wrote:
Sounds like it from what they said. Unless it's just some Harlequin and Drukhari units so that Ynarri are playable.

All of the Harlequins, but only Drukhari units that are available to the Ynnari.

 Gert wrote:
Sounds like it from what they said. Unless it's just some Harlequin and Drukhari units so that Ynarri are playable.

.

Yeah they kind of glossed over that part fast. It sort of sounds like its the parts needed to make Yinnari work rather than all of the Darkeldar but it could be all-in-one which is a curious choice; but they didn't spend any time talking about The Dark Eldar which I'd have expected if it was going to have all of them in the book.

So Karandras is the last man standing from 2nd Ed Codex Eldar releases right? What is the second oldest model in the 40k range now?

I love the Arvus and I'm very happy for a plastic one.

I am also very glad I did not buy the reworked resin release from... what... March? I'd feel pretty salty if I had.

See that's the thing, the only units that won't be are the beasts (which are gone) and Covens units, so it's like 2/3rds of the Drukhari stuff eligible for Ynarri. At that point just merge the books.

So I assume the haemonculi covens will still be separate, which means the dark eldar will still be getting their own codex. Good, that's as it should be.

I'm guessing that with the Eldar aspects revealled for 40K itself, I'm guessing there will be a Harlequins kit for Kill Team sometime next year.

Beautiful eldar models aside, the real winners of the reveal are the snotlings

Great reveals, the new Eldar are excellent.

The Kreig models look amazing. The death riders are one of the best looking models I have seen, maybe the best......wait.....

OMG!!!! That warpspider phoenix lord is STUNNING.

They really knocked those Eldar models out of the park, sticking with the classic design was perfect. I am going to upgrade my models to all of the new ones. They are just so great looking.

Although on a side note I am worried that Kandaras might not be in the book without a new plastic model.

Did they mention that they removed "Karl Franz" off the empire models? It looks like they did

I hope that new artbook isn't just one that was released a couple of years ago with a few extra pictures.

Well that was jam packed with cool stuff.

I’m going to need a lot of Eldar…

Also? Fun fact?

Just messaged my best friend, who is an Eldar fanatic in excitement about the new Aspects, and Warp Spiders in particular.

I remember our excitement way back when they first debuted in like, 1994 or so. Which means it’s not only been 30 odd years? But he’s not responded - because he’s a Grandad, and he’s got the Little Monster Tonight.

The point of this? If I’m feeling old, so are you.

No new plastics for Empire tho?

 Gert wrote:
See that's the thing, the only units that won't be are the beasts (which are gone) and Covens units, so it's like 2/3rds of the Drukhari stuff eligible for Ynarri. At that point just merge the books.

Unless they are getting adjusted stats/points compared to their own codex

Those goblin chariots are fantastic.

The goblin boss' wolf acrobatics are fantastically dumb, but the model will make for a great conversion base.

Asuremen and all the other new Eldar look Go(odwin)like.

Not in the preview. Only “new” thing is the remastered War Wagon.

However they did say the Arcane Journal contains brand new units - which GW being GW, I assume will be made available in due course.

Also, Teutogen Guard are back. Always regretted not getting them during Storm of Chaos.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
No new plastics for Empire tho?

At the Fall of Fantasy, they already had the biggest selection of plastics of all the armies.

Re-releasing the Empire War Wagon, a classic kit that hasn't been available for a long time so plenty have been wanting to see it return, is great to see...

,,.it's a shame it's let down by having that then by made to order only so time limited, which seems a strange choice...

...but designing an entirely new engineer miniature (are there even any other new miniatures?) and packing it exclusively in with that time-limited made-to-order kit is just absurd.

Nothing really for me, but an excellent show all around. Certainly curious how the new detachments turn out.

Krieg models look fantastic. The guy stabbing down in particular is a terrific pose and the whole theme is incredibly well done. Not my thing, but its super cool

ToW/HH didn't feel like that big of a deal but its a nostalgia line so it makes sense.

Not a fan of Krulegitz, but they're neat. I feel like they would have been a better fit with the Warclans. Not really needing a 4th competing subfaction. Very well done sculpts though.

Aeldari are another thing that's really not my style, but the resculpts look terrific. Seems like that's going to be a crazy set of releases.

So, yeah. Not for me, but all stuff I'm excited to see across the table.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Re-releasing the Empire War Wagon, a classic kit that hasn't been available for a long time so plenty have been wanting to see it return, is great to see...

,,.it's a shame it's let down by having that then by made to order only so time limited, which seems a strange choice...

...but designing an entirely new engineer miniature (are there even any other new miniatures?) and packing it exclusively in with that time-limited made-to-order kit is just absurd.

There are two new special characters, they mentioned them in the preview and they showed them in the preview but didn't put them in the article or show them properly in the previews at all. But you can just seem them in the army shot at the start. I've posted them in the old world thread.

I feel dumb for not realizing the Warp Spider PL's teleportation lightning makes a spider web

A very nice touch, no?

Cool reveal. the only bust is that hobgoblin character. I'm alslo not sure it was a good idea to put two goblins on each wolf, but theyre stil great minis. These Kriegs, Wow, just Wow,Haven't felt that strong of an urge to start an army in a long tiime

Wow! Seriously has to be one of the few GW previews that lives up their superlative hyping...!

Didn't think we'd see all of those Eldar Phoenix Lords and Aspects in one go. Slightly whelmed with Asurmen but the rest are fantastic. Warp Spider Phoenix Lord is really good.

Krieg are great too. Though feels like the Eldar overshadow everything else, but that may just be my bias. The HH reveals, whilst nice to see more plastic of course, don't really compare.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Cool reveal. the only bust is that hobgoblin character. I'm alslo not sure it was a good idea to put two goblins on each wolf, but theyre stil great minis. These Kriegs, Wow, just Wow,Haven't felt that strong of an urge to start an army in a long tiime

At least we still have the solo mounted snarlfangs.

I'm gonna blame the dual wolf riders on the MESBG Warg riders from a few years ago

All that Eldar stuff is amazing. It will certainly be my spring painting project. Weird about Karandras though, wonder what happened there.

Aeldar are proper good 40k minis, all of them look true fun to paint and build. I dont collect them but the temptation is there. Amazing update.

Krieg are also great models but not something that I would go for since tanks do very little for me.

The Gobbos are a big disappointment, they look like a chore, the kits are overworked, dont look fun to build or paint but above all they are concept wise closer to the absolute horrid kruelboys. Nothing saving these kits. Bad design options.

Eldar stuff is great indeed, I will pounce on those spiders and their new phoenix lady.

 bullyboy wrote:
All that Eldar stuff is amazing. It will certainly be my spring painting project. Weird about Karandras though, wonder what happened there.

I hate to say it, but the rumour said they “forgot” about him. But I think it got everything else on the money.

Though, the Dire Avengers are an awful, awful kit to build, so we might yet see a wee release later on for an update and Karandras.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
All that Eldar stuff is amazing. It will certainly be my spring painting project. Weird about Karandras though, wonder what happened there.

I hate to say it, but the rumour said they “forgot” about him. But I think it got everything else on the money.

Though, the Dire Avengers are an awful, awful kit to build, so we might yet see a wee release later on for an update and Karandras.

I could see Karandras being the token model release with the 11th edition book, since they're finally caught up on the range.

Sigh... #JusticeForKarandras...

No Krieg Grenadiers? Hmpfh! The one kit that got me started collecting is still missing.

All the other Krieg/Empire releases are great, though

 Asmodai wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
All that Eldar stuff is amazing. It will certainly be my spring painting project. Weird about Karandras though, wonder what happened there.

I hate to say it, but the rumour said they “forgot” about him. But I think it got everything else on the money.

Though, the Dire Avengers are an awful, awful kit to build, so we might yet see a wee release later on for an update and Karandras.

I could see Karandras being the token model release with the 11th edition book, since they're finally caught up on the range.

I know it was a somewhat later release than the Phoenix Lords and Spiders, but the Vyper would definitely like a word...

And the Falcon/General Grav Tank chassis.

Heck, even the support ones are 14 years old now.

Those Eldar...they're beautiful. Absolutely astounding. 10/10, no notes. All of my self-righteous Aeldari anger has been replaced with zen bliss.

I'm sure Eldar players will still find things to complain about, but I just simply could not be happier to finally have every 3rd ed troop, elites, heavy support and HQ in such gorgeous plastic. It took 22 years, but I can finally finish rebuilding my stolen 3rd ed army in all plastic. Can't wait for these kits to release

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Sigh... #JusticeForKarandras...

As far as I'm concerned, he did the right thing and got Lhykis into the fooking van.

So if I understand the text description / pictures correctly, the wolf-pulled goblin chariot has a magic rocket booster on the back? And giant they-would-cut-the-legs-off-a-slow-wolf blades right behind the wolves?

That's about the stupidest idea ever.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
So if I understand the text description / pictures correctly, the wolf-pulled goblin chariot has a magic rocket booster on the back? And giant they-would-cut-the-legs-off-a-slow-wolf blades right behind the wolves?

That's about the stupidest idea ever.

Welcome to Warhammer

Well, they are Gobbos.

Safety is for Elves!

Funnily enough, of all the reveals that orc skull tower is the most likely for me to get, despite not even playing AoS it's just a nice looking orcy thing to throw on any battlefield, be it fantasy or 40K.

Friend of mine says the horses have winter tyres

That’s a good spot!

Lovely stuff.

Never expected to live long enough to see new Warp Spider models...


Presumably Karandras didn't survive the Primaris conversion process...

 GaroRobe wrote:

I see the guy on the rights helmet is so heavy its forced his neck down into his chest.

my girlfriend was very happy about how this stream went, being a Krieg and Eldar player. can't believe the rumor about Karandras being forgotten turned out to be true. the goblins are great, and i'm looking forward to picking up some for TOW at some point

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

Spoiler:

Still don't understand the love for the Deredeo... That's an ugly looking dreadnought, right there.

Plastic Arvus is fantastic, though.

 insaniak wrote:
Still don't understand the love for the Deredeo... That's an ugly looking dreadnought, right there.

Doesn't the entire Marine aesthetic hinge on going so deep into ugly and stupid they come out the other side?

So, overall.

Substantial reveals, some real crowd pleasers, and minimal waffle.

Contender for best preview show to date?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
However they did say the Arcane Journal contains brand new units - which GW being GW, I assume will be made available in due course.

Knowing the Arcane Journals, each "new unit" will have a box explaining how to differentiate the "new unit" by paint, bits, or leaving a part off.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

I see the guy on the rights helmet is so heavy its forced his neck down into his chest.

Is….is he wielding Ghal Maraz?

I don't like how the empire battalion box comes with a steam tank. Would've rather had 10 knights or a great cannon/hellblaster in that spot.

The Eldar release is the real winner here, though I still want new Dire Avengers eventually as that kit is showing it's age.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So, overall.

Substantial reveals, some real crowd pleasers, and minimal waffle.

Contender for best preview show to date?

100%!

What's with the deredeo hate though. It's good fugly imo, I prefer it to the leviathan anyway. Though the lack of pose-ability in the kit was disappointing.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So, overall.

Substantial reveals, some real crowd pleasers, and minimal waffle.

Contender for best preview show to date?

There was one other one that was completely mad, was it the Lion reveal?

Best one since that though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So, overall.

Substantial reveals, some real crowd pleasers, and minimal waffle.

Contender for best preview show to date?

Sorry but with 0 Tyranids present this one cannot be eligible for "Best Preview Show to Date"

but we could allow "Best Preview Show, since the last Tyranid Preview Show"

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Still don't understand the love for the Deredeo... That's an ugly looking dreadnought, right there.

Doesn't the entire Marine aesthetic hinge on going so deep into ugly and stupid they come out the other side?

... No...?

There are plenty of stupid designs throughout the 40k range, but that's precisely because the design brief is that looking cool takes precedence over practicality.

But looking cool is entirely subjective, so there are always going to be some misses from any one person's perspective. The Deredeo is one, for me. I love pretty much every other dreadnought that GW have ever made (aside from the Primaris dreads being so big), but the Deredeo design just doesn't do it for me.

It doesn't help that it's just standing stock straight. Just looks like a statue and nothing else going on

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Contender for best preview show to date?

Pretty high up there for quantity, even if most of it isn't for me. But we've had some bangers lately. And it had a low system count (4?)


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
It doesn't help that it's just standing stock straight. Just looks like a statue and nothing else going on

The pose certainly isn't great. If they just had 2-3 variant cables for each gun that accommodated different angles...

I know a lot of Empire players will be really glad to the see the Free Company box back, if anything, I don't think I heard more praises for a kit other than that one, to the point where I almost want to get one just to see what I could put on my Greatswords to give them a bit more character.

But I know a guy who's exploring all sorts of cool tangents from the basic Dorito

WHO? I wanna add this thing to my ever growing list of things to print once I get my printer out of storage from moving again.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
But I know a guy who's exploring all sorts of cool tangents from the basic Dorito

Spoiler:

See, now - that, I would totally buy in plastic...

Deredeo is intended as a self propelled fire support platform. And as a walker, can go places similar things can’t.

I really like the design meself. Harks back to the Space Crusade and Epic Chaos Dreadnought design.

 Platuan4th wrote:
WHO? I wanna add this thing to my ever growing list of things to print once I get my printer out of storage from moving again.

You can find it on cults under "unsinking"

 GaroRobe wrote:
Did they mention that they removed "Karl Franz" off the empire models? It looks like they did

They did not, the example uses existing parts in the kit for the generic General of the Empire/Freeguild Marshal.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

I really like the design meself. Harks back to the Space Crusade and Epic Chaos Dreadnought design.

It really doesn't, though. It has an elongated chest, but with the head on top instead of at the front as the SC/Epic dread did. Beyond that, there are absolutely no common design elements. If it was supposed to be a callback to that dread (as seems to be the prevailing opinion online), I can only assume it was designed by someone who had the original version described to them without ever actually seeing the original model.


Edit - but just to be clear - none of this is intended to gak on anyone else's preferences. I'm happy for those who like it - there are certainly plenty of models in the 40K range that I like that others don't, and that's also ok. The Deredeo just jumps out as an oddity for me because even aside from the fact that I don't like the way it looks on its own, it doesn't actually look like it even belongs with anything else in the Marine range, for 30K or 40K. It's just a really weird design choice.

Loving the new Eldar Phoenix Lord and excited that Malaneth gets her own book

Plastic Spiders... never thought I'd see the day.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

I see the guy on the rights helmet is so heavy its forced his neck down into his chest.

Is….is he wielding Ghal Maraz?

Presumably someone has it - likely the Count of Reikland unless its been lost in battle

My brother in The Great Good, those Gitmob are just a preview of what a SW refresh could possibly be and I'm all here for it.

 CMLR wrote:
My brother in The Great Good, those Gitmob are just a preview of what a SW refresh could possibly be and I'm all here for it.

Doomdiver Bloodclaws?

Those are some nice looking puppies.

 insaniak wrote:
Still don't understand the love for the Deredeo... That's an ugly looking dreadnought, right there.

I'm right there with you. It's an absolutely awful design.

To be honest the one reveal that doesn't really hit for me is the Doom Diver. I love the old one and this just feels a bit... overdone? There's to much going on and it loses focus on it's fun bit, which is that daft goblin getting fired out of a catapult.

The Krieg flamer HWT game me butterflies. It's in my must buy list.

M.

Hot take: I prefer new gobwolves over the old ones. If size allowed it, I'd put the new ones on old rectangle ones. Current Fantasy Wolves look like Play-Doh or pirate dispenser machine toys, quite the disgraces.

And I think the new Doom Diver is miles better then the classic one (which has its charm, but still).

I think "overdone" is a good angle for AoS where everything is on the extreme end. Note its not just throwing goblins into the enemy its throwing solarpowered goblin bombs into the enemy.



Also considering that they are likely to see a model appear in Old World at some stage I think having really clear cut design differences is a really good and helpful thing in each game having its own identity.

AoS is fantasy dialled up to11

 CMLR wrote:
Hot take: I prefer new gobwolves over the old ones. If size allowed it, I'd put the new ones on old rectangle ones. Current Fantasy Wolves look like Play-Doh or pirate dispenser machine toys, quite the disgraces.

And I think the new Doom Diver is miles better then the classic one (which has its charm, but still).

I don't know how hot of a take that is, those new wolf riders look fantastic! Even having bought 10 snarlfangs riders to start up a greenskin heavy Chaos Dwarf army (at the rate I build and paint, it will be ready in 1-3 years), I am eyeing those new ones. Really the only issue I have with the new gobbos is that it is 9 models for a supposed 'army box'. Could have thrown in a set of snarlfangs just to give it a double digit model count at least.

Well that and the fact that it looks like all of the wolves are attached to the base by a single paw. I tend to prefer things more securely attached.

Someone found the inspiration for the new empire house character

 insaniak wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

I really like the design meself. Harks back to the Space Crusade and Epic Chaos Dreadnought design.

It really doesn't, though. It has an elongated chest, but with the head on top instead of at the front as the SC/Epic dread did. Beyond that, there are absolutely no common design elements. If it was supposed to be a callback to that dread (as seems to be the prevailing opinion online), I can only assume it was designed by someone who had the original version described to them without ever actually seeing the original model.

I don't like the Deredeo that much, but it IS based on the SC Dreadnought. How the weapons are attached, the heavy bolters at the front and no close combat weapons at all. And that daemon mask isn't the head unless you believe that there was some really strange positioning of the inhabitant.

I hope 40k never adopts the my least favorite esthetic from Fantasy/AoS:

"You can tell how powerful I am based on the height of my hat!"

40K uses Pauldrons instead (though not half as much as Warmachine!)

 GaroRobe wrote:

How on earth did someone sneak a Mantic Basillean into a GW preview?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I hope 40k never adopts the my least favorite esthetic from Fantasy/AoS:

"You can tell how powerful I am based on the height of my hat!"

Have you not seen Eldar?


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 Dryaktylus wrote:

I don't like the Deredeo that much, but it IS based on the SC Dreadnought. How the weapons are attached, the heavy bolters at the front and no close combat weapons at all. And that daemon mask isn't the head unless you believe that there was some really strange positioning of the inhabitant.

At best it's 'inspired by' rather than 'based on'.

I'll grant you the bolters, but beyond that it has more in common with the Contemptor than it does the SC Dread. The other weapons do not attach at all the same way, and the shape of the body is completely different, made more obvious by the head - the face on the front of the SC dread is most certainly not where the marine's head is, but it's also not sticking up out the top of the carapace. It has Contemptor legs rather than the reverse articulation and rounded limbs of the original, its proportions are completely different... It's not an update, it's a weapons platform sharing a vaguely similar design space, if you squint hard enough.

That said, a truer update of the original would have also looked out of place in the current Marine line up.

 Dryaktylus wrote:


I don't like the Deredeo that much, but it IS based on the SC Dreadnought. How the weapons are attached, the heavy bolters at the front and no close combat weapons at all. And that daemon mask isn't the head unless you believe that there was some really strange positioning of the inhabitant.

Why couldn't there be some really strange positioning?
Dreads contain (some amount of) a mostly dead, catastrophically injured, marine.
How much marine is required to power a dread?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I hope 40k never adopts the my least favorite esthetic from Fantasy/AoS:

"You can tell how powerful I am based on the height of my hat!"

Phoenix lords already got that covered

My thoughts on the reveals:
40k: Death Korps of Krieg in plastic! Very cool even if I have no nostalgia for the old army. I might grab that army set and finally build up my Astra Militarum into a full army.
AoS: New Gitz models are really cool, but I'm not starting an army of them. Glad Kruleboyz are getting something even if it isn't what I want. Ironjawz Spearhead looks nice.
HH: More classic models are getting plastic treatment. Very neat. I'm not about to start playing HH though.
Old World: Empire is getting most of their old range back, eh? Probably my least favorite range from old WHFB if I'm honest, but if others like it then I'm happy for them.
40k part 2: Now this is how you revamp a range! All of the new aspects and their Phoenix Lords look amazing. Not enough to make me start an Aeldari army but it'll be fun to face them on the tabletop.

Quick thought, Krieg are about 15 years late for me to care.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Quick thought, Krieg are about 15 years late for me to care.

I'd like, from my experience, a decent game to play them in.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I hope 40k never adopts the my least favorite esthetic from Fantasy/AoS:

"You can tell how powerful I am based on the height of my hat!"

I'll take it over "you can see I'm a leader because I'm the one not wearing a helmet".
Isn't wearing a fancy hat or helmet how commanders have frequently been recognizable on the battlefield historically?
Admittedly, some were a bit extravagant, owing to already over-the-top designs in heroic scale for basic troops and thus requiring even more exaggerated versions for leaders. Yes, looking at you High Elves. There's no way those puny Toughness 3 necks could hold up a helm the size (and presumably weight) of their entire body...

That was a really great preview all around. Especially fond of the Eldars!

The Gits look really nice to me, but its problematic they have a design that dont play well with the established lore, design and size of gloomspite. Gloomspites hate the sun, and these guys have the evil sun design all over. They even look strange next to the fairly new snarlfang wolfriders.

It also feels like AoS go back to the crazy over the top design they been toning down previous edition for more generic and realistic releases like Soulblight, CoS, FEC or Darkoath (even most skaven I would argue).

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
I'd like, from my experience, a decent game to play them in.

I hear OPR Grimdark Future is pretty nice.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
I'd like, from my experience, a decent game to play them in.

I hear OPR Grimdark Future is pretty nice.

The best thing about OPR is that you can take your warhammer models and pitch them against a huge range of other armies and model ranges. Whilst you might have to craft your own world story to fit it; from a purely "I want to play with my collection" aspect its fantastic.

 Fayric wrote:
The Gits look really nice to me, but its problematic they have a design that dont play well with the established lore, design and size of gloomspite. Gloomspites hate the sun, and these guys have the evil sun design all over. They even look strange next to the fairly new snarlfang wolfriders.

In the video, they did mention how these new ladz hate the sun, and use the symbol to taunt it, and items to capture it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So, overall.

Substantial reveals, some real crowd pleasers, and minimal waffle.

Contender for best preview show to date?

I don't know about best "to date", but certainly the best recent preview event. Actually felt like it lived up to at least some degree of hype.

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Quick thought, Krieg are about 15 years late for me to care.

I'd like, from my experience, a decent game to play them in.

I'd like a game where the options I choose matter and impact the game more significantly.

that's an odd criticism for 10th edition. choices still do matter, quite a lot in fact. it's just that there's a lot less of them, and sometimes the choices can be a bit obvious.

I love most of these new models!

I have a quibble with the Gitz.
Just like the Kruleboyz, they have no fingernails/claws, and it makes them look unfinished.
Hobgrots have nasty talons, but these have playdoh fingertips.

 Overread wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
I'd like, from my experience, a decent game to play them in.

I hear OPR Grimdark Future is pretty nice.

The best thing about OPR is that you can take your warhammer models and pitch them against a huge range of other armies and model ranges. Whilst you might have to craft your own world story to fit it; from a purely "I want to play with my collection" aspect its fantastic.

One last comment, so I don't derail this thread -- OPR is pure fun, and hobby focused, and I love that. Not enough crunch to it to catch the dedication of my game group, unfortunately. that's on me.

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
I'd like, from my experience, a decent game to play them in.

I hear OPR Grimdark Future is pretty nice.

The best thing about OPR is that you can take your warhammer models and pitch them against a huge range of other armies and model ranges. Whilst you might have to craft your own world story to fit it; from a purely "I want to play with my collection" aspect its fantastic.

One last comment, so I don't derail this thread -- OPR is pure fun, and hobby focused, and I love that. Not enough crunch to it to catch the dedication of my game group, unfortunately. that's on me.

Try showing the advanced rules - there's a good bit of complex crunch in them

 Dryaktylus wrote:
And that daemon mask isn't the head unless you believe that there was some really strange positioning of the inhabitant.

That’s not how Dreadnought designs work. The inhabitant was depicted in the original technical cut through as in a fluid sac with sensory inputs and life support. There’s no direct relationship to the suit’s ‘head’ any more than there is to the arms and legs.


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 Overread wrote:


Try showing the advanced rules - there's a good bit of complex crunch in them

I suspect that you, like GW, are conflating complexity with depth.

3 quick questions.

1. Has anyone been watching the Warhammer World Tourney on Twitch?

2. What is OPR?

3. Can you imagine had bad it would to be if you were all in one piece and then shoved into a Dreadnought...? (Some Custodes who screwed up would volunteer to be a Dreadnought.)

OPR = One Page Rules

It has more than one page now, but it basically grew as an alternate rules system to run GW models with. They've exploded in popularity since the Pandemic because they got into 3D printing and created their own armies and several other 3D model makers are now making rules for OPR. So right now its as close to a "DnD" style open system as wargaming has had in a long while (at least for fantasy/scifi). Whilst being diverse and popular rather than an open system that's basically at the "One guy in a garage and 40 customers worldwide"

 Overread wrote:
OPR = One Page Rules

It has more than one page now, but it basically grew as an alternate rules system to run GW models with. They've exploded in popularity since the Pandemic because they got into 3D printing and created their own armies and several other 3D model makers are now making rules for OPR. So right now its as close to a "DnD" style open system as wargaming has had in a long while (at least for fantasy/scifi). Whilst being diverse and popular rather than an open system that's basically at the "One guy in a garage and 40 customers worldwide"

"Exploded in popularity" OPR fans are always a hoot.

Are you offering anything that indicates this might not be the case?

OPR Patreon has 34,613 members. I don't currently see an indication of how many of them are in a paying tier, but until recently Patreon showed creators' revenue and it was around 10k a month for OPR last time I saw it.

Now remember... I've been living under a rock for a decade... in a cave... under the sea (pineapples cost too much to maintain)... so please be nice when I ask this obvious question....


OPR Patreon?

OPR is the biggest Patreon in the 3D printing market and its interest has grown beyond that since they opened up their rules for other creators to use to make rules for their own armies.

Sure its not "GW BIG", no one else is GW big. However OPR has grown a huge amount over the last few years to the point where most people have now heard of it even if they've not played. Plus because you can use GW models you can more easily gather local interest because people don't have to buy a new army ;they can jump right in with their existing 40K/AoS/OW models.


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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Now remember... I've been living under a rock for a decade... in a cave... under the sea (pineapples cost too much to maintain)... so please be nice when I ask this obvious question....


OPR Patreon?

https://www.patreon.com/c/onepagerules

Patreon is a website where you can pay small amounts each month to support creators. For 3d printing this typically resolves as paying a small amount per month and getting STLs (digital models files to print) for that month (which on 99.0% of them you keep once you get them so even if you unsub you an still print them).

Edit: Removed.

How do you type so fast?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Overread wrote:
OPR is the biggest Patreon in the 3D printing market and its interest has grown beyond that since they opened up their rules for other creators to use to make rules for their own armies.

Sure its not "GW BIG", no one else is GW big. However OPR has grown a huge amount over the last few years to the point where most people have now heard of it even if they've not played. Plus because you can use GW models you can more easily gather local interest because people don't have to buy a new army ;they can jump right in with their existing 40K/AoS/OW models.

Wow. Any good resources for learning more on OPR?

Their website https://www.onepagerules.com

Also their army builder https://army-forge.onepagerules.com

in that if you click on a game format and then along the top bar click "creators" it will show names and details of all the 3rd parties involved as well;

Thanks I'll go check it out...

Do you recommend it?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Thanks I'll go check it out...

Do you recommend it?

The games I've played I've enjoyed. It's a system that very much feels like you win/lose based on the choices you make; rather than say the random element unbalancing things too far or overpowered models simply winning the game.
I also enjoy it because I collect and print other ranges of models; so being able to play with models form Dragon Trappers Lodge or Arch Villain Games and such is a massive boon.

Otherwise many of those smaller creators would be hard work to get local games as you'd have to provide both forces and all.

yikes I wonder how this thread still going... discussing 3d printing and 3d companies etc on a Warhammer preview show.

 NAVARRO wrote:
yikes I wonder how this thread still going... discussing 3d printing and 3d companies etc on a Warhammer preview show.

Then let's steer it back....Has anyone been watching the rest of the Warhammer World Championships?

There's been some interesting builds... like the 6 C'tan necron list.

 NAVARRO wrote:
yikes I wonder how this thread still going... discussing 3d printing and 3d companies etc on a Warhammer preview show.

Well, if you have any new news about the Warhammer preview show please, go ahead...

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
yikes I wonder how this thread still going... discussing 3d printing and 3d companies etc on a Warhammer preview show.

Well, if you have any new news about the Warhammer preview show please, go ahead...

You should know better.

 NAVARRO wrote:
yikes I wonder how this thread still going... discussing 3d printing and 3d companies etc on a Warhammer preview show.

If you think the thread has gone off-topic, use the little yellow triangle - don't try and police it yourself.

 Dysartes wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
yikes I wonder how this thread still going... discussing 3d printing and 3d companies etc on a Warhammer preview show.

If you think the thread has gone off-topic, use the little yellow triangle - don't try and police it yourself.

Or be nice about it and just post a chilled comment to see if the thread can carry on without being closed.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:


Then let's steer it back....Has anyone been watching the rest of the Warhammer World Championships?

There's been some interesting builds... like the 6 C'tan necron list.

I have watched occasional bat reps, but I've never really gotten the whole sports/ esports/ watch instead of do cult.

Like don't get me wrong... If it's your bag of chips, I'm not gonna tell you you're doing warhammer wrong- you do you.

But for me personally? The only batreps I've watched have been very special interest... Like the narrative one that was based on WH+ Blood Angels, and a Red Gobbo Christmas battle. I watched Scaredcast's Crusade battles (I think there were three or four of these). I'd watch an ongoing Crusade saga of batreps, but I haven't found many of them to my liking. I wanted to make one, but I'm just a slow mediocre painter.

But I find the whole concept of "influencers" (warhammer or otherwise) to be absolutely bizarre. I tend to let people I meet face to face influence me more than those who are trying to make money on the internet, and I'd rather play a game than watch one. I'll watch people play video games if we're hanging out in person, but I'd never watch someone do that on the internet either.

Finally, the tournament method is not how I've ever engaged with Warhammer; I've ALWAYS built from a combination of "rule of cool" and Narrative. If a campaign's storyline takes me in a direction where a certain unit would fit, I'll add it to my army whether it's a good unit or not, though perhaps only for the battle. After the preview, I know I'm buying a plastic Arvus and some Valkyrie escorts so that reinforcements can make grand entrances when they are added to my campaign roster. I'd probably build a scenario around it.

That's the kind of stuff I MIGHT be inclined to watch as a batrep, but I haven't found a lot of it. That's what I was looking for in the Scaredcast Crusade series... But there weren't enough episodes and there wasn't enough connection between battle and narrative. He told us what upgrades his units got and talked a bit about their rules, and I think he might have claimed territory... But he never really told you where the battle was taking place and how it fit the ongoing story.

The one part of the Championship I had thought about checking in with was the grand narrative, but I figured that once again, it would focus on the things I was least interested in... the Cosplay and the game play, as opposed to the connection between game and ongoing story. I'm not even sure that there's any kind of campaign progression or escalation rules in effect for the event.

I'm not too clear on the grand narrative. What exactly is it supposed to be?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I'm not too clear on the grand narrative. What exactly is it supposed to be?

So it is a narrative campaign that takes place in tandem with the grand tournament. They create NPCs from different factions to represent faction leaders who make campaign decisions for factions at the macro-level. The idea is that all the player armies are fighting under the command or influence of these NPCs. All missions are narrative in nature, meaning that victory conditions may be a little less about standing on objectives placed symmetrically on a board of L-shaped ruins and more about story objectives- escort a dignitary, hold the line against superior fire power so that you army has time to exit via a particular board edge, etc.

The results of all of the first round battles are delivered, and based on those, the NPCs (game masters in cosplay essentially) determine the missions to be fought in the next round... And so on, until the story concludes and the fate of the subsector is added to the GW canon. It think players vote for "winners" in various categories- like Bloodthirsty for best melee, Eagle Eye for best shooty, etc.

I think they could incorporate aspects of escalation and/ or progression as the story proceeds, but I'm not sure they do? I think army construction does allow for some side-boarding (ie. extra models that can be swapped in if they are needed for a particular scenario), but I could be wrong about that too. The most important point is that all the players are there to tell a combined story rather than "win" in a balanced test of skill.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
yikes I wonder how this thread still going... discussing 3d printing and 3d companies etc on a Warhammer preview show.

Then let's steer it back....Has anyone been watching the rest of the Warhammer World Championships?

There's been some interesting builds... like the 6 C'tan necron list.

aren't all of the C'Tan unique? how does that work?

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
yikes I wonder how this thread still going... discussing 3d printing and 3d companies etc on a Warhammer preview show.

Then let's steer it back....Has anyone been watching the rest of the Warhammer World Championships?

There's been some interesting builds... like the 6 C'tan necron list.

aren't all of the C'Tan unique? how does that work?

The Transcendent CTan aren't unique.

ccs wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
yikes I wonder how this thread still going... discussing 3d printing and 3d companies etc on a Warhammer preview show.

Then let's steer it back....Has anyone been watching the rest of the Warhammer World Championships?

There's been some interesting builds... like the 6 C'tan necron list.

aren't all of the C'Tan unique? how does that work?

The Transcendent CTan aren't unique.

ah! that'll do it

I thought imperial knights were nasty... I can't figure out how I'd o er ome that list.