The leftmost one is 100% Lucius the Ethernal, the lash gives it away. His stimulant pack is actually from Commorragh, so it would make sense to look like the ones on grotesques.
Suprised we also get what looks like new Black Knights for AoS. Grave Guard were pretty much a given after the warband release and rumor engine picture, but this is a nice bonus. Kinda wierd since the old kit shares a sprue with Hexwraiths, so I they can’t really retire it.
With previously leaked mounted vampire, the Soulblight wave is shaping up to be pretty substantial.
Lucius was my immediate assumption given the whip (and the colour panel choice). To be fair, most of these are relatively obvious; the question is more for which game system. Ad-mech Robot for (probably) 30K, Beastmen Shaman for Old World (that base is square), bug thing for (probably) Necromunda and skeleton cavalry for AoS.
(addendum; I'll take a punt on the bug thing actually being for the Ash Waste Nomads as they're probably getting their own book and more options at some point, just as the Squats have).
I'm going to guess: Lucius, the other Thantar, Beatmen Special Character for the Old World, Necromunda thingie, new Soulblight Gravelord new character for their new book.
Honestly I was surprised that GW didn't just put the other build option with the current Thantar - same for the transport for Mechanicum.
Interesting to see them do two larger kits as fully separate when they include the majority same parts. In the past they'd have done them as fully 1 kit with parts.
Hopefully they also tease some of the tanks for Mechanicum as they are gone from the store now.
40K: Emperor's Children.
AOS: Soulblights
Necromunda: Sewer centipede creature?
TOW: Orc shaman?
Black Library: Dunno, don't care.
Heresy? Not part of the line up but that does look like a Thanatar, unless 40K Emperor's Children have their own such units? Thousand Sons have the odd Automata in 30K, unless I'm mistaken?
...unless there's a last minute mention of a new Warhammer Quest game, or Space Hulk, I won't be counting the days. I'll wait for the next bus...
I wouldn't be surprised if GW wants to retire the Black Knight/Hexwraith dual kit, bring both units more in line with their new faction aesthetics
The "Bray-Shaman" feels like a fake out, seeing as Beasts already have a plastic kit for it, and as far as special character shamans go, it's pretty uninspiring compared to Malagor and Morghur from a decade or two ago respectively. We've already seen the Amber Wizard/druid sculpt though, so I don't know what a Tim the Enchanter sculpt would be for
Tim the Biovore wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if GW wants to retire the Black Knight/Hexwraith dual kit, bring both units more in line with their new faction aesthetics
The "Bray-Shaman" feels like a fake out, seeing as Beasts already have a plastic kit for it, and as far as special character shamans go, it's pretty uninspiring compared to Malagor and Morghur from a decade or two ago respectively. We've already seen the Amber Wizard/druid sculpt though, so I don't know what a Tim the Enchanter sculpt would be for
Could be the skull headed Shaman character that never got a model from the 7th ed book.
40K: Emperor's Children.
AOS: Soulblights
Necromunda: Sewer centipede creature?
TOW: Orc shaman?
Black Library: Dunno, don't care.
Heresy? Not part of the line up but that does look like a Thanatar, unless 40K Emperor's Children have their own such units? Thousand Sons have the odd Automata in 30K, unless I'm mistaken?
...unless there's a last minute mention of a new Warhammer Quest game, or Space Hulk, I won't be counting the days. I'll wait for the next bus...
Definitely a Beastman for TOW. The Orc's already got a new shaman model, with that cool river troll guy.
40K: Emperor's Children.
AOS: Soulblights
Necromunda: Sewer centipede creature?
TOW: Orc shaman?
Black Library: Dunno, don't care.
Heresy? Not part of the line up but that does look like a Thanatar, unless 40K Emperor's Children have their own such units? Thousand Sons have the odd Automata in 30K, unless I'm mistaken?
...unless there's a last minute mention of a new Warhammer Quest game, or Space Hulk, I won't be counting the days. I'll wait for the next bus...
It's been strongly rumoured that Thousand Sons will be getting an Automata unit in 40K with their Codex update.
Gert wrote: Lol the forgot to put HH or Legions on the list of games then very clearly show the Thanatar with the big laser.
Classic GW.
Hey it looks like Tim the Enchanter in the middle as well.
I thought the same...but when they do it 3 times seems a bit unbelievable as just being a mistake? The video didn't mention it, the text descrption doesn't mention it, and the preview image with the games doesn't mention it Not even a "and more" to imply it.
There’s nothing corrupted nor Chaotic about the Thanatar silhouette. What at first look could be skulls hanging around the groin is instead the power cabling for the Graviton Ram mounted in place of the right hand.
I'd bet on that Thanatar being a Thousand Sons one more than a HH model too.
(Also partly because I think the TS codex will release before the EC and they are not going to show the whole EC range here - it would be weird if they go with three very big range refreshes almost in a row and then have lots of codexes for the rest of the edition that are just going to get a single model or two).
Tim the Biovore wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if GW wants to retire the Black Knight/Hexwraith dual kit, bring both units more in line with their new faction aesthetics
It's not that old a kit and whilst its a duel kit shared over two armies; the designs still fit in the armies themselves.
If they were replacing stuff that sticks out oddly then Soulblight have:
The Corpse Cart - worked great in Old World when most Vampire armies were freshly dug up and running rampage through innocent regions and were often led by some wildmad necromancer - however the organised formal armies of modern AoS Vampires really wouldn't have something so crude rumbling around in their armies.
Grave Guard just stand out as looking really old next to new Skeletons
Zombie Dragon/terrorgast - servicable but old and with 2 models and shared across 2 armies plus a mounted hero build it would be a tall order to replace it with multiple kits or even a big combined.
Coven Throne (and other builds) really stands out as odd in Soulblight now since it rides on a team of ghosts and there are no ghosts left in the army; and the vampires on it are "short" by modern vampire standards.
On that point, let's also remember that the next two armies for The Old World as per the Nova roadmap are Empire and High Elves. The silhouette may well be a beastman, but LVO is a little early for the army when we haven't even seen the elves yet.
Geifer wrote: On that point, let's also remember that the next two armies for The Old World as per the Nova roadmap are Empire and High Elves. The silhouette may well be a beastman, but LVO is a little early for the army when we haven't even seen the elves yet.
ah, right, yeah. so like the thanatar, a later in the year thing
iirc, the new orc character was shown off similarly, so i imagine it'll be revealed on a similar timescale. sometime around march
I think they've done 5 silhouette spins for random future releases the past two Januaries as well. Just weird they put them in a reveal show announcement this time.
Honestly I think we get most / all of the EC range shown at LVO. In past years it has tended to have major reveals like faction range refreshes, so if all they have to show this time is just upgrade sprues for knights it would be a huge letdown. Especially when there's no HH content too.
My expectation is that we'll see the EC army box (with limited codex) shown off, then released in Feb/March. They can still follow that with the IK/CK codexes and preserve the roadmap release order, before dropping the full EC faction launch in April/May.
Honestly I think we get most / all of the EC range shown at LVO. In past years it has tended to have major reveals like faction range refreshes, so if all they have to show this time is just upgrade sprues for knights it would be a huge letdown. Especially when there's no HH content too.
My expectation is that we'll see the EC army box (with limited codex) shown off, then released in Feb/March. They can still follow that with the IK/CK codexes and preserve the roadmap release order, before dropping the full EC faction launch in April/May.
I really wish people would stop advocating for early codex releases like this. It just leads to confusing have and have nots in the community, makes events contentious and is inevitably dissapointing for those who can't drop on a large expensive bundle but have to spend 2 months watch other people play the army.
It also won't work in the app, so you're stud using the codex entries for stuff, which we know are always wrong near enough.
Add to that guard release in jan/feb, eldar are likely to land in March now and you expect them to drop EC in the middle of 2 range refreshes?
Just temper expectations. EC will be April at the earliest and with some luck, not a time gated army.
I really wish people would stop advocating for early codex releases like this.
I'm not 'advocating' for anything here. If I say I that expect it's going to rain, that doesn't mean I want to get wet.
We have rumours from sources with established track records that point towards:
a) Guard in January
b) Eldar in February
c) EC will get an army box release
There is also the fact that the 40k release schedule 'needs' to push out codexes at a fairly rapid rate this year following the recent pause. They're not going to hang around, think of the shareholders!
I really wish people would stop advocating for early codex releases like this.
I'm not 'advocating' for anything here. If I say I that expect it's going to rain, that doesn't mean I want to get wet.
We have rumours from sources with established track records that point towards:
a) Guard in January
b) Eldar in February
c) EC will get an army box release
There is also the fact that the 40k release schedule 'needs' to push out codexes at a fairly rapid rate this year following the recent pause. They're not going to hang around, think of the shareholders!
OK, the guard release is only going up for preorder in Jan, so it'll release across Feb, you do realise that right? So even if the same is true for eldar, they won't physically be out until part way through March. Unless you're suggesting they're releasing only 40k minis this year?
Add to that we know factually that knights are the 3rd codex of the year. I've not seen anyone suggest EC box drops before knights. Valrak called them a spring release, which is March - May. You're joining dots that aren't there.
I'm going to guess: Lucius, the other Thantar, Beatmen Special Character for the Old World, Necromunda thingie, new Soulblight Gravelord new character for their new book.
Hm, lot of things flying about for Soulblight at the moment. Black Knights as of the pic, Grave Guard and a zombie dragon. Could be a big release if that's all true.
I'm going to guess: Lucius, the other Thantar, Beatmen Special Character for the Old World, Necromunda thingie, new Soulblight Gravelord new character for their new book.
Hm, lot of things flying about for Soulblight at the moment. Black Knights as of the pic, Grave Guard and a zombie dragon. Could be a big release if that's all true.
Let's hope not, it has to fit in along side 3 big 40k releases and knights, so can't possibly be out any time soon. /s
Dudeface wrote: I really wish people would stop advocating for early codex releases like this. It just leads to confusing have and have nots in the community, makes events contentious and is inevitably dissapointing for those who can't drop on a large expensive bundle but have to spend 2 months watch other people play the army.
This I agree with, though I couldn't give two hoots about tournaments getting disrupted by these releases.
Dudeface wrote: It also won't work in the app, so you're stud(sic) using the codex entries for stuff, which we know are always wrong near enough.
This, on the other hand, is a definite competitor for "Hyperbole of the Year", and we're less than a week in...
The wording there implies that codex entries, as a whole, are "always wrong near enough" - while there may need to be day 1 errata for some things in a book, it isn't the case that most entries are needing errata.
If that wasn't what was meant to be implied, then better wording was required.
And show me a book where there isn't a typo or error in the first printing.
Dudeface wrote: I really wish people would stop advocating for early codex releases like this. It just leads to confusing have and have nots in the community, makes events contentious and is inevitably dissapointing for those who can't drop on a large expensive bundle but have to spend 2 months watch other people play the army.
This I agree with, though I couldn't give two hoots about tournaments getting disrupted by these releases.
Dudeface wrote: It also won't work in the app, so you're stud(sic) using the codex entries for stuff, which we know are always wrong near enough.
This, on the other hand, is a definite competitor for "Hyperbole of the Year", and we're less than a week in...
Remind me, how many books can you use without an update currently? How many haven't had immediate updates so far? I seem to think it's nigh on all of them, certainly within the first month anyway (I.e. before the early release book might be valid)
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Dysartes wrote: The wording there implies that codex entries, as a whole, are "always wrong near enough" - while there may need to be day 1 errata for some things in a book, it isn't the case that most entries are needing errata.
If that wasn't what was meant to be implied, then better wording was required.
And show me a book where there isn't a typo or error in the first printing.
Wow someone pooped in your cornflakes today.
"The points values and potential issues with rules, units or combinations therein may be incorrect or require and amendment. As such it should be stated that the off the shelf book is likely not a fair representation of the faction until such time as they are formally released. As evidenced and per other books to date."
That is an improvement, though I'd note that points needing updated in a "live" format is presented as a feature rather than a bug.
As with the point to lord_blackfang, though, what examples of books/rules material that haven't required updated/amendments/typo-fixing have you got, even within the realms of gaming? I can remember needing a fairly hefty binder for all the WM/H FAQs/errata, for example, so this isn't a GW-exclusive thing.
Dysartes wrote: That is an improvement, though I'd note that points needing updated in a "live" format is presented as a feature rather than a bug.
As with the point to lord_blackfang, though, what examples of books/rules material that haven't required updated/amendments/typo-fixing have you got, even within the realms of gaming? I can remember needing a fairly hefty binder for all the WM/H FAQs/errata, for example, so this isn't a GW-exclusive thing.
Live updates is certainly a feature, but GW selling them in printed format only with a QR code to the updated versions, i.e. out of date on print possibly, with a book that can't register due to being early release, with units that have no analogous entry elsewhere is simply bad design.
But for some hyperbole of the year, I'll quote you back to yourself from a day or so back:
I'm not 'advocating' for anything here. If I say I that expect it's going to rain, that doesn't mean I want to get wet.
We have rumours from sources with established track records that point towards:
a) Guard in January
b) Eldar in February
c) EC will get an army box release
There is also the fact that the 40k release schedule 'needs' to push out codexes at a fairly rapid rate this year following the recent pause. They're not going to hang around, think of the shareholders!
I fully expect this because I've been holding out for the Knight codex and GW are liars. Not yet, but they will be!
Dudeface wrote: Live updates is certainly a feature, but GW selling them in printed format only with a QR code to the updated versions, i.e. out of date on print possibly, with a book that can't register due to being early release, with units that have no analogous entry elsewhere is simply bad design.
I don't recall - at least during 10th - any cases of points changing between "army box preview" and general release. I might be wrong on that, but nothing has stuck in my memory. There have definitely been FAQs (somehow - how can people be asking questions frequently before a book comes out?), and rules errata, but I don't recall points changing.
Dudeface wrote: But for some hyperbole of the year, I'll quote you back to yourself from a day or so back:
You don't have to defend GW's poor decisions every time, Dudeface
Here's the thing:
a, I already agreed with you on not thinking the "army box preview" type release is a good move. I'd rather see them release with the regular 'dex at the same time, then people can buy what they want. It'd make for an interesting A/B test, if nothing else.
b, I don't think releasing books with rules in them - and directing people where to look for changes via QR code, for that matter - falls under the heading of a poor decision or bad design.
Dudeface wrote: Live updates is certainly a feature, but GW selling them in printed format only with a QR code to the updated versions, i.e. out of date on print possibly, with a book that can't register due to being early release, with units that have no analogous entry elsewhere is simply bad design.
I don't recall - at least during 10th - any cases of points changing between "army box preview" and general release. I might be wrong on that, but nothing has stuck in my memory. There have definitely been FAQs (somehow - how can people be asking questions frequently before a book comes out?), and rules errata, but I don't recall points changing.
Dudeface wrote: But for some hyperbole of the year, I'll quote you back to yourself from a day or so back:
You don't have to defend GW's poor decisions every time, Dudeface
Here's the thing:
a, I already agreed with you on not thinking the "army box preview" type release is a good move. I'd rather see them release with the regular 'dex at the same time, then people can buy what they want. It'd make for an interesting A/B test, if nothing else.
b, I don't think releasing books with rules in them - and directing people where to look for changes via QR code, for that matter - falls under the heading of a poor decision or bad design.
We will have to agree to disagree. I don't think wasting a tree on a book that is flat out wrong within 6 months, asking for the associated money, just to give a code for an a digital rules resource is a good design. It's at a minimum adding unnecessary steps, it's definitely a waste of paper for a lot of people and at worst it's an incredibly dishonest sales process if you look at a lot of the most heavily edited books like dark angels.
The physical rules are pretty far departed from what is correct at this point and being forced to
pay £30 for a set of physical incorrect rules seems... wrong.
If that is a new Black Knight kit I wonder if it will continue to pull double duty as Hexwraiths, or if they are getting replaced as well?
Because the current Hexwraiths build is horrible to put together and looks like crap when you're done, so it's the one thing in the Nighthaunt range that really, really needs a redo.
The Phazer wrote: If that is a new Black Knight kit I wonder if it will continue to pull double duty as Hexwraiths, or if they are getting replaced as well?
Because the current Hexwraiths build is horrible to put together and looks like crap when you're done, so it's the one thing in the Nighthaunt range that really, really needs a redo.
I'm betting it's just a mounted Wight Lord to serve as the token model for the Vampire release.
The absence of any mention of HH release for LVO, and the general dearth of HH releases lately, seems to support the rumour of a 3rd Edition release this year. Which is bad news for those of us who jumped from WH40k to HH to escape the 3 year edition churn.
The Phazer wrote: If that is a new Black Knight kit I wonder if it will continue to pull double duty as Hexwraiths, or if they are getting replaced as well?
Because the current Hexwraiths build is horrible to put together and looks like crap when you're done, so it's the one thing in the Nighthaunt range that really, really needs a redo.
I'm betting it's just a mounted Wight Lord to serve as the token model for the Vampire release.
Doubtful as that already exists and is still relatively young.
^Hehe they remind me of the Slurm worms from Futurama. Even the humanoid has a party keg of the stuff on his back. Maybe the new preview coming will be Slurms McKenzie himself the original party worm
Snord wrote: The absence of any mention of HH release for LVO, and the general dearth of HH releases lately, seems to support the rumour of a 3rd Edition release this year. Which is bad news for those of us who jumped from WH40k to HH to escape the 3 year edition churn.
heresy was on the last release show, and it just got a full month of heresy thursdays. it's not like support has just vanished
Snord wrote: The absence of any mention of HH release for LVO, and the general dearth of HH releases lately, seems to support the rumour of a 3rd Edition release this year. Which is bad news for those of us who jumped from WH40k to HH to escape the 3 year edition churn.
heresy was on the last release show, and it just got a full month of heresy thursdays. it's not like support has just vanished
It wasn't a full month was it? GW even had to publicly state it wasn't a weekly thing not so long ago
Not quite full for the 32mm game, but between 28/11 and 02/11 it looks like 5/6 Thursdays, plus a preview at the World Championships (eyeroll) on the 22nd.
I'm going to be generous, and let them off not doing a Heresy Thursday on Boxing Day.
And we'll have to see what happens this week, of course - do we get a Heresy Thursday when the LVO Preview will happen overnight?
schoon wrote: The Necromunda bug has got to be a new milliasaur.
I think that's a pet for a Warcry/Underworlds gang - it looks a lot like the shoulder bug belonging to the Branchwych, but could also be spiderclan grots
schoon wrote: The Necromunda bug has got to be a new milliasaur.
I think that's a pet for a Warcry/Underworlds gang - it looks a lot like the shoulder bug belonging to the Branchwych, but could also be spiderclan grots
Necromunda is specifically listed and Warcry/Underworlds aren't.
The Ash Waste Nomads use several giant bugs already. It being another one isn't too far of a stretch.
I was assuming that was another 2025 preview rather than an LVO one.
So we'd see Beastman shaman for Old World, Lucius for 40K and the Black Knights for AoS.
Warcry bug and Thanatar then being the "later on.." options. But we'll find out next week.
I don't think the Thanatar was an accident, so it seems odd if that was the only thing in the preview not to be shown at LVO.
Additionally, the bug either has a messy base where the texture paint hasn't been tidied up from the edge, or it has a Underworlds style moulded base with what looks like it could be ivy going over the edge?
Snord wrote: The absence of any mention of HH release for LVO, and the general dearth of HH releases lately, seems to support the rumour of a 3rd Edition release this year. Which is bad news for those of us who jumped from WH40k to HH to escape the 3 year edition churn.
There's only 1 proven way to get off of the churn merry-go-round....
Snord wrote: The absence of any mention of HH release for LVO, and the general dearth of HH releases lately, seems to support the rumour of a 3rd Edition release this year. Which is bad news for those of us who jumped from WH40k to HH to escape the 3 year edition churn.
There's only 1 proven way to get off of the churn merry-go-round....
Necromunda is specifically listed and Warcry/Underworlds aren't.
What is being shown at LVO, as has been stated by GW themselves, has nothing to do with the 5 silhouettes shown. They're just preview silhouettes for 2025 in general.
Necromunda is specifically listed and Warcry/Underworlds aren't.
What is being shown at LVO, as has been stated by GW themselves, has nothing to do with the 5 silhouettes shown. They're just preview silhouettes for 2025 in general.
GW said no such thing.
They showed the five silhouettes and they said:
"But for now, here’s a taste of what’s to come in 2025. You'll find some of these miniatures revealed at LVO…"
Bold is mine. Here's the link- the quoted line is from the end of the article:
Necromunda is specifically listed and Warcry/Underworlds aren't.
What is being shown at LVO, as has been stated by GW themselves, has nothing to do with the 5 silhouettes shown. They're just preview silhouettes for 2025 in general.
GW said no such thing.
They showed the five silhouettes and they said:
"But for now, here’s a taste of what’s to come in 2025. You'll find some of these miniatures revealed at LVO…"
Bold is mine. Here's the link- the quoted line is from the end of the article:
Snord wrote: The absence of any mention of HH release for LVO, and the general dearth of HH releases lately, seems to support the rumour of a 3rd Edition release this year. Which is bad news for those of us who jumped from WH40k to HH to escape the 3 year edition churn.
There's only 1 proven way to get off of the churn merry-go-round....
Necromunda is specifically listed and Warcry/Underworlds aren't.
What is being shown at LVO, as has been stated by GW themselves, has nothing to do with the 5 silhouettes shown. They're just preview silhouettes for 2025 in general.
GW said no such thing.
They showed the five silhouettes and they said:
"But for now, here’s a taste of what’s to come in 2025. You'll find some of these miniatures revealed at LVO…"
Bold is mine. Here's the link- the quoted line is from the end of the article:
It was answered on Facebook that the 5 silhouettes were for all of 2025 and not just LVO, there's a screencap at the top of this thread's Page 2.
That doesn’t mean none of them are for LVO though, and the article was since edited to be clearer as said above. From the way the article is now, I think the three shown here are gonna be at LVO and the other 2 sometime later.
So, my thoughts on what was revealed:
Soulblight stuff looks cool; not enough to make me want to start an army of them though (even setting aside budgetary concerns). It is nice to finally see an update to the old Zombie Dragon.
Ash Waste Nomads look awesome; if I was to start a second Necromunda gang, it might just be those guys. I've liked their aesthetic since they were introduced in the Ash Wastes box set. The terrain, while interesting, just doesn't really grab me.
The High Elves kits are showing their age, but honestly I kinda like the look they have. If I was to start a second Old World army, it'll be these guys. That probably won't happen soon though.
The Black Library model reveals sure were a thing, I guess. Not really my jam.
And finally, the newly revealed Emperor's Children. If you like the whole Slaanesh look overall, these guys are a home run. They absolutely nailed it. Slaanesh has, however, always been my least favorite Chaos god, aesthetically speaking. The new EC models aren't bad, though, and it's nice to see Noise Marines finally get a plastic kit. Also, I'm not sure but what they got more bespoke units than World Eaters did, although it might be the same number.
As for the roadmaps, vague hints are vague, but did I see that there might actually be a separate book for Salamanders Space Marines? They've never had their own book before. This could be very cool, even if I personally have no intention of starting another Marine army.
Fulgrim
Lucius
Lord (with at least 3 CCW's and two pistols for options)
Generic HQ guy with giant warp-stereo on his back
Bolter guys
Bolt Pistol and CCW guys
Noise marines with sonic weapons
Elite semi-possessed sword guys
Rhinos
Terminators
Heldrake
Daemon Prince
Land Raider
Spawn
Maulerfiend
Most of this Slaanesh daemons
NOT mentioned were the Predator, Defiler, Helbrute. Might have been an oversite though.
So glad my High Elves are getting some Old World action. Particularly glad there's a specific Chracian theme, given I made my army exactly that. The new Ellyrian Reaver sculpts are great, really impressed with those. Means I can finally round out my army with some of the later sculpts I never got when I left the hobby.
Love the look of the Skellingtons the armour style is very cool.
Yep. The old world is such a dumpster fire unfortunately
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Great undeads and nomads though
I think it's hypothetically possible to have a wronger opinion than this, but one would have to devote onesself to mastering the ancient eastern art of Wrongu Opinionu over many decades of toil and effort to do so
Apart from the truly ancient Spearmen and Archers(which can mostly be fixed with a bit of plasticard heightening and headswapping, or by just 3D printing an alternative) the HElf range is a genuine treasure. Apart from the dumb birb chariot of course. That they're releasing all the IoB units is a genuine win that I didn't think we'd see. And the "emperor's toddlers" are literally the best non-generic Chaos Marine plastics they've ever made bar none. They nail the old concept art, they nail the faction's themes and tone, they look fantastic, absolutely dunking on the revisionist Horny Nurgle Bois and the painfully dull Khornate offerings.
Colour me impressed. I actually liked everything here and I don't even play everything lol.
Normally I look at these previews from a view of what factions in what systems I play, also what I could pilfer and use in Blood Bowl.
This time I'm thinking I might even have to get some of these releases just to have or for a diorama.
Really liking the Emperor's Children previews, Deathguard, Thanatar, Soulblight & skeletons Barrow Kingdoms, zombie dragon etc plus that vampire on undead horse is awesome.
This may be the best reveal show ever! I am loving the new Soulblight units (Please just finish replacing them so we can have Vampire Counts in The Old World); the High Elves are just fantastic(! We really got a whole unit of Ellyrian Reavers with a new standard and musician?!?! A new Swordmaster champion, standard, and musician too?!?!?); and the Emperor's Children look stunning (Very Rogue Trader era vibes from the armor that I LOVE).
Plus I really want that commissar from the Black Library set. He looks like perfect conversion fodder, as do the rest of them. A bit bummed that the Maleneth unit that was rumored turned out to be just the character from Gotrek's books, though.
SIDE NOTE: Was that empty spot after the Wood Elves teased at all? Are we legit getting Dogs of War or Kislev or Cathay or something????
This preview show is a pure win - I’m very impressed. Can’t remember previews being that stellar in a while (previous one was very strong too though).
High elves - not my brand of knife-ears, but I’m sure that players are very happy, especially with the IoB kits returning. Is it the first time we get part of the sprue cut out?
Personally I’d be even happier, were I a HE player, if they brought back 6e sword masters, phoenix guard and white lions at least as MTO as an alternative. (Never was a fan of any bird related kits in their range though)
Emperors children - every kit is amazing, best treatment out of all the god specific legions. Palatine blades can use a head swap though, don’t like their cone head Jedi heads.
Only thing missing is a cacophony dreadnought.
Death guard dude - he’s pretty cool, I like him more than most other characters stinky bois got.
Necromunda nomads and worms - pretty cool.
Thanatar- awesome, now boring on the Ursurax and Domitar please
Black library - cool command squad. The leader is the most boring sculpt out of the bunch though.
Beastmen - awesome shaman and familiar, will put them on a chariot for hagtree fetish filth. Hope they get some new plastic kit, like other fortunate factions did. Was waiting for morghur to reappear in the timeline introduced in the old world, but we got his new nanny instead - which is ok.
But damn, aren’t those skeletons and vamps freaking great. New basic skeleton warriors are the only lackluster part, but I’m Old World bias, so having a mix of spears and swords is doing my head in a bit, as well as the poses.
All in all couldn’t help myself but glaze gw for that preview. Even though the only most likely purchase in the foreseeable future from me is that bray shaman, I feel like we’ve been shown only quality stuff.
Oddly, I seem to be the odd git out, as I’m distinctly Whelmed. Nor over or under. Just Whelmed.
Vampire stuff is the stand out winner of the preview for me though. GW have pretty much always had a knack for creating evocative Undead models (not you, plastic multipart Zombies, get back in the bin where you belong with your massive hands), so it’s pleasing to see them stick to what works with a bit of extra fancification.
chaos0xomega wrote: If Salamanders are getting their own book, does that mean Vulkan is the next primarch to return?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also the imagery in the placeholder box for TOW is very directly lifted from Cathay artwork
In the More to Come box on the roadmap?
I’m an idiot, I was looking at the art like I’m not seeing Cathay, I can just see some TK skeletons… and I’ve just realised they’re from the background art coming through.
chaos0xomega wrote: If Salamanders are getting their own book, does that mean Vulkan is the next primarch to return?
I can only hope. I play many different Marine chapters, none of them are Salamanders. However, Vulkan is my favorite Primarch. I have an awesome 3rd party model of him I've been waiting to paint up.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Fair point, didn't notice that until just now. Makes sense with the new zombie dragon they'd be soon as they need their new Terrorgheist.
Haha fair. Yeah I hope that is what they’re getting, and I hope it’s half as good as the Zombie Dragon, I love that thing.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: I think it's a must really. They can't really keep the dual kit now with the new dragon.
Unless the dual kit is just sold as a terrorgheist, but I hope not. I’m only worried because they had their decent sized range expansion fairly recently.
NAVARRO wrote: In the far far future of 40k 10th there's no Votann then.
They're after more to come, they're in the "you gave up hope and we're out of time before the end of the edition" category.
Rolled into 11th... with my luck the end of 11th.
I was looking at all these nice models from LVO and maybe it's just me but feels like most miniatures are just over detailed and dont look fun to paint at all. Almost like the detail is added just for the sake of it.
Whelp this is a FANTASTIC start to the year for me from GW - my wallet is hiding in a corner cowering at all the awesome that got shown off!
Soulblight getting a slew of utterly amazing looking models! New Zombie Dragon and Grave Guard models were 100% needed and expected and both look phenomenal! I was not surprised to see no Terrorgast alt-build for the new kit - splitting it off on its own is a good move as it lets the beasty be its own thing. I do worry that maybe its going to go full Flesheaters only, but fingers crossed its a duel army kit that features in both forces still.
The new Black Riders and Wightking on steed I didn't expect since both are fairly modern models already; but the new ones REALLY look awesome. Be interesting to see if GW keep the current model around or replace it - SB have had quite the churn of hero models (esp with Cursed City).
Plus a mounted Vampire lord rounds off the cavalry really nicely!
New hinted at deathrattle skeletons is a bit of a surprise so be interesting to see what they've changed in those kits
Overall 100% hype excitement for Soulblight and I will aim to get that starter boxed set!
Emperors Children - NOISE! A really awesome looking collection of Marines; a good few leaders; solid troop foundation and looks like they've really got some awesome models in there. Lords Kakophonist design looks right out of the art and the 80s!
High Elves - fantastic to see them back and as another person said their older kits stand up really well. No surprise since they did well during the End Times and so forth being reasonably updated then with newer kits. So the new stuff blends in really well. Probably means they'll be one of the latter armies to see an update in OW in the future, but honestly really fantastic to see them soaring back on the battlefield.
No idea what the mystery army slot could be but honestly I'm excited to see GW already starting to tease the future of Old World!
Also whilst I've generally not been a fan of GW's Beastmen - I love that little familiar creature with the new hero they've teased!
Thanatar - looks awesome and 100% expected. No real surprise here at all, but its a good solid addition. Only surprise is that its coming on its own and GW aren't even teasing the tanks yet for Ad Mech (esp considering their resin versions are already gone from the store). However as big previews tend to be 3 month release affairs there's already a LOT of big chunky releases in this first half of the year. So fingers crossed it just means more shiny toys around the midyear
Necromunda I'm really happy to see the Nomads get a second wave like regular Gangs and weren't just created for one campaign and abandoned. The little worms are cute and the terrain looks really cool - I can see that appearing on a lot of tables
Then we get to the best thing in the release - MALENETH getting her very own model! Feels like ages since there was any DoK attention and she's been long overdue getting a model after her adventures with Gotrek. I'm also going to be very curious to see how her future shapes out and if she'll find him again or what will happen!
Could well be dead wrong here but I don't think Salamanders are getting their own codex. I think it's a best of the rest first foundings get their own supplement with a few minis each (Raven Guard, Scars, Salamanders and Fists).
Olthannon wrote: Could well be dead wrong here but I don't think Salamanders are getting their own codex. I think it's a best of the rest first foundings get their own supplement with a few minis each (Raven Guard, Scars, Salamanders and Fists).
That would also be my guess, and fits with Valrak's rumour that each of them were getting a new character model.
Yep. The old world is such a dumpster fire unfortunately
Automatically Appended Next Post: Surprised by the love for the emperor toddlers. These noise marines design should have stayed in the 80s...
Great undeads and nomads though
I think it's hypothetically possible to have a wronger opinion than this, but one would have to devote onesself to mastering the ancient eastern art of Wrongu Opinionu over many decades of toil and effort to do so
Apart from the truly ancient Spearmen and Archers(which can mostly be fixed with a bit of plasticard heightening and headswapping, or by just 3D printing an alternative) the HElf range is a genuine treasure. Apart from the dumb birb chariot of course. That they're releasing all the IoB units is a genuine win that I didn't think we'd see. And the "emperor's toddlers" are literally the best non-generic Chaos Marine plastics they've ever made bar none. They nail the old concept art, they nail the faction's themes and tone, they look fantastic, absolutely dunking on the revisionist Horny Nurgle Bois and the painfully dull Khornate offerings.
Oh, dont get me wrong, some of these minis are sill great looking (but these spearmens...... damn, they were already old and ugly decades ago).. But my main dissapointment is with TOW only putting back old models into production and acting like it's somewhat a new rellease. I was expecting more than simply this, after all these years of waiting....
And you're right on the EC. After taking another look at them (not drunk this time), they are splendid.
Then we get to the best thing in the release - MALENETH getting her very own model! Feels like ages since there was any DoK attention and she's been long overdue getting a model after her adventures with Gotrek. I'm also going to be very curious to see how her future shapes out and if she'll find him again or what will happen!
Maleneth isn't a Daughter of Khaine, she's a Darkling Coven Assassin that worked for the Order of Azyr.
Do some of those EC minis look a bit slim in the hips and shins? Not saying they look bad, just really trim for a Space marine in power armor. Yes, I know that the sword guys are "daemonically gifted" but it kinda looks like they took a normal marine and Gumby stretched them vertically.
Lathe Biosas wrote: Nifty stuff. Nothing that screams, "buy me!" But I'm happy all the EC players are finally getting their models they've been wanting for a while.
As I've said, I'll be grabbing a squad of Noise Marines to join my CSM. I'd be lying if I said wasn't tempted to go all in.
Then we get to the best thing in the release - MALENETH getting her very own model! Feels like ages since there was any DoK attention and she's been long overdue getting a model after her adventures with Gotrek. I'm also going to be very curious to see how her future shapes out and if she'll find him again or what will happen!
Maleneth isn't a Daughter of Khaine, she's a Darkling Coven Assassin that worked for the Order of Azyr.
She's a Witch Elf who worships Khaine and carries one a vile around her neck with the bound soul of her covern mistress inside. Basically my take is her origin is DoK; she then transfers into the Order of Azyr because DoK and CoS are allied forces (even if Morathic backstabs in the most recent lore).
Then we get to the best thing in the release - MALENETH getting her very own model! Feels like ages since there was any DoK attention and she's been long overdue getting a model after her adventures with Gotrek. I'm also going to be very curious to see how her future shapes out and if she'll find him again or what will happen!
Maleneth isn't a Daughter of Khaine, she's a Darkling Coven Assassin that worked for the Order of Azyr.
She's a Witch Elf who worships Khaine and carries one a vile around her neck with the bound soul of her covern mistress inside. Basically my take is her origin is DoK; she then transfers into the Order of Azyr because DoK and CoS are allied forces (even if Morathic backstabs in the most recent lore).
The booklet included with Realmslayer specifies she didn't follow the path of a Witch Elf to become an Assassin.
cuda1179 wrote: Do some of those EC minis look a bit slim in the hips and shins? Not saying they look bad, just really trim for a Space marine in power armor. Yes, I know that the sword guys are "daemonically gifted" but it kinda looks like they took a normal marine and Gumby stretched them vertically.
Shins do seem a bit more slim. Hips it may be because we see more of the abdomen bodysuit without extra plating or cables covering it.
cuda1179 wrote: Do some of those EC minis look a bit slim in the hips and shins? Not saying they look bad, just really trim for a Space marine in power armor. Yes, I know that the sword guys are "daemonically gifted" but it kinda looks like they took a normal marine and Gumby stretched them vertically.
Shins do seem a bit more slim. Hips it may be because we see more of the abdomen bodysuit without extra plating or cables covering it.
Yeah, they've all get exposed midriffs, even if its just the bodysuit that's exposed.
Oh, dont get me wrong, some of these minis are sill great looking (but these spearmens...... damn, they were already old and ugly decades ago).. But my main dissapointment is with TOW only putting back old models into production and acting like it's somewhat a new rellease.
Thete ARE some legitimately new models and kits in this release though.
I think it’s something to do with Chaos Dwarves. They’re rumoured by Whitefang on TGA who has an almost perfect rumour track record, and the symbol on the right ear looks similar to some CD related symbols (Horns of Hashut etc).
Oh, dont get me wrong, some of these minis are sill great looking (but these spearmens...... damn, they were already old and ugly decades ago).. But my main dissapointment is with TOW only putting back old models into production and acting like it's somewhat a new rellease.
Thete ARE some legitimately new models and kits in this release though.
Unless I missed something really big, there's a few new resin models, but no new plastic kits.
Oh, dont get me wrong, some of these minis are sill great looking (but these spearmens...... damn, they were already old and ugly decades ago).. But my main dissapointment is with TOW only putting back old models into production and acting like it's somewhat a new rellease.
Thete ARE some legitimately new models and kits in this release though.
Unless I missed something really big, there's a few new resin models, but no new plastic kits.
The Ellyrian Reavers are new.
Ellyrian Reavers are young nobles who rove the wilds of the province of Ellyria, skilled light shock cavalry as swift as scouring gales. This new kit is heavily influenced by the miniatures found in the old Island of Blood boxed set released way back in 2010, though comprehensively resculpted for the new era.
Oh, dont get me wrong, some of these minis are sill great looking (but these spearmens...... damn, they were already old and ugly decades ago).. But my main dissapointment is with TOW only putting back old models into production and acting like it's somewhat a new rellease.
Thete ARE some legitimately new models and kits in this release though.
Unless I missed something really big, there's a few new resin models, but no new plastic kits.
The Ellyrian Reavers are new.
Ellyrian Reavers are young nobles who rove the wilds of the province of Ellyria, skilled light shock cavalry as swift as scouring gales. This new kit is heavily influenced by the miniatures found in the old Island of Blood boxed set released way back in 2010, though comprehensively resculpted for the new era.
Holy damn, I was sure it was the ones from IOB. I retract completely my previous post then, bar the complaint about these dotards archers and spearmen.
Are there any close ups of them? I can't manage to find some
streetsamurai wrote: Oh, dont get me wrong, some of these minis are sill great looking (but these spearmens...... damn, they were already old and ugly decades ago).. But my main dissapointment is with TOW only putting back old models into production and acting like it's somewhat a new rellease.
Thete ARE some legitimately new models and kits in this release though.
Unless I missed something really big, there's a few new resin models, but no new plastic kits.
The Ellyrian Reavers are new.
Ellyrian Reavers are young nobles who rove the wilds of the province of Ellyria, skilled light shock cavalry as swift as scouring gales. This new kit is heavily influenced by the miniatures found in the old Island of Blood boxed set released way back in 2010, though comprehensively resculpted for the new era.
Which does beg the question: why? Of all the kits to update, why slightly improve on a perfectly nice looking existing set? The models look near-identical; the biggest differences I can spot comparing pictures is that the spears are now at a different angle, and there is a full command included (rather than just the champion - and not sure if a standard bearer is the biggest necessity in light cav?). I suppose most of the work with these had been done already, but how much nicer would it have been to instead just have an updated set of Silver Helms, perhaps designed in such a way that their command bits could work for the Ellyrian Reavers too... (and yeah, basic spear and bow troops need an update too; people were put off by them in 8th and they'll be equally put off by them now. The Lothern Sea Guard and other Island of Blood things look as great as on the day they were released though, lovely minis)
They might have had the kit on file from before WFB went belly up.
In any case, if GW was willing to launch the game with TK skellies front and centre, the HE hamhands had no chance of receiving an update. I imagine none of the core troops for the remaining re-released factions are going to receive an update until the game switches over to refresh mode.
Coenus Scaldingus wrote: Which does beg the question: why? Of all the kits to update, why slightly improve on a perfectly nice looking existing set? The models look near-identical; the biggest differences I can spot comparing pictures is that the spears are now at a different angle, and there is a full command included (rather than just the champion - and not sure if a standard bearer is the biggest necessity in light cav?). I suppose most of the work with these had been done already, but how much nicer would it have been to instead just have an updated set of Silver Helms, perhaps designed in such a way that their command bits could work for the Ellyrian Reavers too... (and yeah, basic spear and bow troops need an update too; people were put off by them in 8th and they'll be equally put off by them now. The Lothern Sea Guard and other Island of Blood things look as great as on the day they were released though, lovely minis)
Ellyrian Reavers, Swordmasters and Lothern Sea Guard needed a re-cut because they shared sprues with Skaven. There was zero chance that they would have been released otherwise. That being said, only Swordmasters (with new optional command group bits) and Seaguard are actually re-cut, Ellyrian Reavers are all new sculpts.
Coenus Scaldingus wrote: Which does beg the question: why? Of all the kits to update, why slightly improve on a perfectly nice looking existing set? The models look near-identical; the biggest differences I can spot comparing pictures is that the spears are now at a different angle, and there is a full command included (rather than just the champion - and not sure if a standard bearer is the biggest necessity in light cav?). I suppose most of the work with these had been done already, but how much nicer would it have been to instead just have an updated set of Silver Helms, perhaps designed in such a way that their command bits could work for the Ellyrian Reavers too... (and yeah, basic spear and bow troops need an update too; people were put off by them in 8th and they'll be equally put off by them now. The Lothern Sea Guard and other Island of Blood things look as great as on the day they were released though, lovely minis)
Ellyrian Reavers, Swordmasters and Lothern Sea Guard needed a re-cut because they shared sprues with Skaven. There was zero chance that they would have been released otherwise. That being said, only Swordmasters (with new optional command group bits) and Seaguard are actually re-cut, Ellyrian Reavers are all new sculpts.
In addition to that, without a redesign, there's no way to sell bigger units without a lot of excess wasted command models or completely redesigning the sprue. There were only 2 base Reavers in the IoB set, so even a massive recut to multiply enough of those two sculpts would have been a lot of work.
So, a question from someone who didn't watch the livesream, as I don't see anything about it in the articles - according to the last roadmap for 40k we were presented with, Imperial Knights were in the same group as the Guard and the Eldar. Was there any mention in the stream as to why they've vanished into the Warp?
Dysartes wrote: So, a question from someone who didn't watch the livesream, as I don't see anything about it in the articles - according to the last roadmap for 40k we were presented with, Imperial Knights were in the same group as the Guard and the Eldar. Was there any mention in the stream as to why they've vanished into the Warp?
On their social media they have stated that "they don't have anymore information at this time" but some people have spoken about a botched release that had to be canned last minute and reworked, could be the knights having a production issue?
Or could be a design went through all the way to production or near production and then they found out some critical part was missing on the mould or worse some design that they thought was going to cast fine suddenly wound up with an undercut or detail that didn't cast correctly. Suddenly they need to go right back to the start and if it was a critical core part of a model it might even have required a total redesign of whatever it was they were making.
I also floated the idea that GW has a LOT of big releases of large updates going out the door and perhaps Knights was similar and production simply threw up their hands and said "NO" to another big release in the same timeframe and forced them to swap out for a smaller one or two to give them space to cope
Could also just be that the bean counters determined that the knights release was not conducive to financial performance metrics for the second half of the fiscal year, so they pushed the release out to the summer and pulled in other releases that will carry higher revenue or better margins to try to make numbers.
Wouldnt be the first time, probably not the last either.
It might also not be one big thing but a few small things that added up - a delayed model; the pressure on production; the bean counters; marketing studies; something else; a staffer at the top end hating knights and pushing them to a different slot; a staffer at the top loving knights and pushing them to a latter typically higher performing slot etc...
SamusDrake wrote: It could just be an error where it was supposed to come under "up next" and it's still happening.
After all, 30K wasn't in the line up for LVO...
Well it was in a proper put together ‘roadmap’ before, so it would have been quite the mistake to make it through to that. Whereas I think they just showed the Thanatar because the initial article was unclear and it was really obvious what it was anyway. It definitely seems like plans have changed for the Knight release for whatever reason.
Oh-ho, just noticed that the Emperor's Children melee dudes are ambidextrous, with both left- and right-handed pistols and swords! It's been a while since marines got to do that!
