How do!

Dunno how to link to Instagram, but GW have announced a Vostroyan MTO. No date given, just said to be “soon”

https://www.instagram.com/p/DX__RJimprk/?igsh=MTRmYThydjQ3cjZndw==

Here's the Warcom article:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/gpaqpfb5/the-vostroyan-firstborn-return-for-a-made-to-order-muster/

And from WarCom. Vostroyan MTO



Nice to see them coming back, even if only for an MTO. Loved the Medusa V campaign from way back.
Lets see if the prices for this are as insane as that last Steel Legion MTO.

Oh, they will be. They will be.

I dunno, man. Takes a lot to match the sheers trousers on bonce ridiculousness of...

$52 for a single guardsman.

That said, I have complete faith in GW

They're lovely. That's about the sweet spot of miniature detail for me. I miss that era.

Wow, look at the tactical rocks on those snipers. And all those repeated poses!

I still remember the eye watering prices from the Steel Legion MTO... I wonder why 40k MTO minis are always so ovepriced when TOW MTO minis are usually reasonably priced (by GW's standards)?

My favourite line of minis that GW produced, used to have a lot in my collection back in the day.

These are really great miniatures. If the prices are anything like the Steel Legion MTO then they're too rich for my blood but they're lovely.

I'd love to have them but if they're priced like the previous Steel Legion MTO, its going to be a no go.

In the meantime, I'll settle for WGA's Les Grognards.

Want to edit a line in the article..

"This expansive EXPENSIVE Made to Order release includes most of the original Vostroyan Firstborn miniatures, originally released nearly 20 years ago. "

This release appears to have everything except the dead bodies and one of the Sergeant models.

I still haven’t touched my £800 2018 MTO Vostrayans so this may finally give me the push I need.

Was the previous Vostroyan MTO really 2018? Time's flying a bit too fast for my tastes...

Also, GW if you're reading this: bring back the Eldar Bonesinger MTO. Pretty please.

Would be a fun allied detachment for the other traitors in horus heresy. Alas, I really dislike their design.

I really just want one or two of these guys for =][=nquisitor henchman...



But they'll likely be $95 for all three, which will be a no-go from me. Especially since I'm still waiting for a ship notice on my MTO Steel Rook.

 goffnob deffsmakka wrote:
Was the previous Vostroyan MTO really 2018? Time's flying a bit too fast for my tastes...

Also, GW if you're reading this: bring back the Eldar Bonesinger MTO. Pretty please.

December 2018 but still 2018. I ordered on the final day and I still received a massive box of metal within 3 weeks. Nowadays it feels like MTOs take 6 months to ship a single plastic model.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I really just want one or two of these guys for =][=nquisitor henchman...



But they'll likely be $95 for all three, which will be a no-go from me. Especially since I'm still waiting for a ship notice on my MTO Steel Rook.

Most figures are about an ounce of white metal, and that costs about $3.50 per ounce. I'm sure there are some other reasons why it costs so much, but 95 dollars? Geez, for that price, I could probably buy the original figures with a lot of deal hunting on eBay, and stripping all the paint off of them

I'm thinking of hitting eBay for some gently used originals.

Vostroyans don't really do anything for me, but if they did a MTO for Praetorians, I'd probably drop an insane amount of money on them even if the prices were like the Steel Legion MTO that has become so infamous on here.

I love the Vostroyans and am happy for the opportunity to pick up a platoon for my Guard army.

It is my favourite regiment, that I missed an opportunity to pick up when I was a kid.
I’d probably go for 1 of each set they rerelease. If it’s going to cost me less than £150. So Armageddon box - bye bye, my frivolous spending will be directed elsewhere.

I am a bit salty they stuffed the platoon with just las cannons instead of 3 different weapon teams.

Wonder what happened to the other sergeant?

Aeneades wrote:

 goffnob deffsmakka wrote:
Was the previous Vostroyan MTO really 2018? Time's flying a bit too fast for my tastes...

Also, GW if you're reading this: bring back the Eldar Bonesinger MTO. Pretty please.

December 2018 but still 2018. I ordered on the final day and I still received a massive box of metal within 3 weeks. Nowadays it feels like MTOs take 6 months to ship a single plastic model.

It varies greatly, with the TOW Empire MTO there was someone on Reddit who got his 40+ metal halberdiers within weeks.
The one constant seems to be that I always have to wait the longest

Would be nice to get a couple of new sculptors as trial/early miniatures to complete the special weapon (melta gun) and heavy weapon ranges - need autocannon and missile launcher

GrosseSax wrote:
I'd love to have them but if they're priced like the previous Steel Legion MTO, its going to be a no go.

In the meantime, I'll settle for WGA's Les Grognards.

Not a bad choice. I put these together a few years back.

I really really want these, but yeah, the pricing is going to be prohibitive. Might settle for the command squad and a couple of the sergeant type models, and as folks are suggesting, bulk it out with trusty Grognards.

Santtu wrote:
I still remember the eye watering prices from the Steel Legion MTO... I wonder why 40k MTO minis are always so ovepriced when TOW MTO minis are usually reasonably priced (by GW's standards)?

GW sets their prices by what people will pay, 40k has a much bigger community means more whales means they can pull more money out of people.
I imagine there's also a practical element of limiting their orders, they probably don't want to get bogged down casting millions of orders they might get with more reasonable prices.

 Snrub wrote:
I dunno, man. Takes a lot to match the sheers trousers on bonce ridiculousness of...

$52 for a single guardsman.

That said, I have complete faith in GW

Joke image or the NZ webstore?

The latter.

 RustyNumber wrote:
Joke image or the NZ webstore?

I would love to be able to say it was one or the other. However, that my friend is the honest to goodness Australian prices for that particular MTO. Unaltered by man or god(-emperor).
They were genuinely asking $50AUD for a single trooper.

Steel Legion have been my dream Imperial Guard army for many years now and I was genuinely prepared to drop entire paychecks in order to get myself a platoon or twos worth. Didn't end up getting a damn thing.

 Snrub wrote:
Didn't end up getting a damn thing.

I was the same - some things were cheaper on eBay (UK)! If they did a Catachan MTO I might pick up a few things.

 Snrub wrote:
And from WarCom. Vostroyan MTO



Nice to see them coming back, even if only for an MTO. Loved the Medusa V campaign from way back.
Lets see if the prices for this are as insane as that last Steel Legion MTO.

In the last MtO, weapon teams were expensive and single models obscene. Squad was okay and the platoon (back then with the casualties) even a bit cheaper than the (identical) release box! And I got my order after a few weeks and not half a year later.

So tempted, yet sadly too poor for what they will charge :(

I'm not sure that steel legion from years ago is really a good indicator of the price these might be, as that seemed to be a strange exception to the usual sort of MTO prices considering they were more than stuff like classic Space Marines have been.

I hope I can buy 1 vostroyan sniper. They look (to me) like how I imagine a Terran Vindicare would look (for HH).

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I hope I can buy 1 vostroyan sniper. They look (to me) like how I imagine a Terran Vindicare would look (for HH).

Like the metal Cadian Snipers(but not the Catachan ones), Vostroyan Snipers only come in packs of both models.

Buy the set and sell the spare in a few month's time, probably break even.

Looks like they're going up for order on Saturday: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9idi5uub/sunday-preview-march-out-with-the-cities-of-sigmar/

The officers, special weapon troopers, and heavy weapons teams will be separate items of a single miniature each. That's gonna cost a lot.

 Pariah Press wrote:
Looks like they're going up for order on Saturday: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9idi5uub/sunday-preview-march-out-with-the-cities-of-sigmar/

The officers, special weapon troopers, and heavy weapons teams will be separate items of a single miniature each. That's gonna cost a lot.

The good news is people can choose which officers they want, as opposed to being stuck paying an arm and a leg for a bundle of models when they only want one or two lol

It looks like they're not releasing the full range, its missing the Sgt. pointing with las pistol in other hand, the 3x casualties.

 Big Mac wrote:
It looks like they're not releasing the full range, its missing the Sgt. pointing with las pistol in other hand, the 3x casualties.

Which is a shame, because they aren't actually selling any sergeant models on this round. I noticed the platoon is using the junior officers as sergeants.

I wonder if the original master for the Sergeant has been lost or damaged. He seems an odd omission otherwise.

The pointing hand was always quite fragile, so maybe that's why they left it out of this run?

Id love to buy one squad to be veterans for the Valhallan Ice Warriors.

But TBH, there are so many amazing 3d printed alts out there that unless i can lay my hands on some original Vostroya, i prob will just get a 3d printed lot

I should really dig out my Grognards.

I may pick up the special weapons boys, as I already have a platoon and love the special weapons guys. But not at the aussie prices.

I've also had success using the cadian bodies mixed with Anvil Industries bearskin heads. They come out okay and look similar enough (or like Vostroyans who have shed their greatcoats). But for office minis and HQ it's definitely a must have for the old metal minis.

Might be the sign of me aging and buying into nostalgia, but the alternatives i have found are either worse in the detail department, even though the sculpts are more current (les grognards for example) or STLs that are lacking charm that the originals have. Dunno
It’s going to be pricey, but I’d rather have less of what I like more, than more of what I find lackluster.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Might be the sign of me aging and buying into nostalgia, but the alternatives i have found are either worse in the detail department, even though the sculpts are more current (les grognards for example) or STLs that are lacking charm that the originals have. Dunno
It’s going to be pricey, but I’d rather have less of what I like more, than more of what I find lackluster.

I know what exactly you mean; I just tracked down a 1987 Astropath model simply for the old school charm & aesthetics when a plastic Inquisitor henchman from the current box would have done the same job on the table.

 Snrub wrote:
I dunno, man. Takes a lot to match the sheers trousers on bonce ridiculousness of...

$52 for a single guardsman.

That said, I have complete faith in GW

You have to remember that dude has both a power sword AND a bolt pistol. You're not going to get that kind of power on a regular $10 guardsman.


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Sunno wrote:
Id love to buy one squad to be veterans for the Valhallan Ice Warriors.

But TBH, there are so many amazing 3d printed alts out there that unless i can lay my hands on some original Vostroya, i prob will just get a 3d printed lot

Wargames Atlantic's Grognards aren't an exact match but pretty close.

https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/les-grognards

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
I dunno, man. Takes a lot to match the sheers trousers on bonce ridiculousness of...

$52 for a single guardsman.

That said, I have complete faith in GW

You have to remember that dude has both a power sword AND a bolt pistol. You're not going to get that kind of power on a regular $10 guardsman.


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Sunno wrote:
Id love to buy one squad to be veterans for the Valhallan Ice Warriors.

But TBH, there are so many amazing 3d printed alts out there that unless i can lay my hands on some original Vostroya, i prob will just get a 3d printed lot

Wargames Atlantic's Grognards aren't an exact match but pretty close.

https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/les-grognards

You and the guy she tells you not to worry about:

Prices are a bit higher than i expected which does give me pause


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Prices are a bit higher than i expected which does give me pause

One dude is almost as much as the entire infantry squad originally cost.

Well, today we find out. I hope it’s not completely insane pricing. I would really like a squad or two for a mixed Guard regiment just for fun. If it’s somewhat fair I might consider the Platoon box or 1 squad, command squad and the special weapons guys. I guess I know in 7-8 hours. Haha

Looks like they're slightly more expensive than the Steel Legion MTO was.
I absolutely love these models, but I'm glad I don't collect guard. This makes me fearful for when stuff I actually want comes to MTO.

How is it that GW can sell a Tomb King Necrotect for €12 but ask almost three times as much for a single special weapon guardsman?

Bit pricier than I was hoping but they're also some of the best models GW ever produced. Brilliant style.

Those prices are eye watering, and with each MTO release they remind me more of boiling a frog.


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 Lord Damocles wrote:
One dude is almost as much as the entire infantry squad originally cost.

There's no "almost" anymore!

Oof, yeah, I might have to cut some fat off from my initially planned order.

Platoon
Squad
Snipers
3 heavy bolsters
3 mortars
-£351

If they included 1 of each weapon teams in the platoon, it’d be way easier. But I guess they did that in purpose.

 goffnob deffsmakka wrote:
How is it that GW can sell a Tomb King Necrotect for €12 but ask almost three times as much for a single special weapon guardsman?

C'mon, you know how, and why

 Albertorius wrote:

 goffnob deffsmakka wrote:
How is it that GW can sell a Tomb King Necrotect for €12 but ask almost three times as much for a single special weapon guardsman?

C'mon, you know how, and why

Could it be a word that rhymes with creed

To be fair, the main reason I own a Necrotect was to get to the free shipping minimum. Luckily, GW has that covered now; it's difficult not to get free shipping on these.

The Platoon is alright. The squad is acceptable. The command squad is decent.

Everything? Gor Blimey.

 Ruberu wrote:
Well, today we find out. I hope it’s not completely insane pricing.

It's completely insane pricing. If the prices convert as normal, the Platoon is $220(the same as the full on Combat Patrol Starter Set with terrain), the Squad is $69, the Command Squad is "reasonable" at $55.50("reasonable" because that's the same price as the Marneus Calgar single figure), each Heavy Weapon is $39, and the individual models are more than the Codex Supplements for Marines.

The mad bastards actually did it! They exceeded the prices of the Steel Legion MTO.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Ruberu wrote:
Well, today we find out. I hope it’s not completely insane pricing.

It's completely insane pricing. If the prices convert as normal, the Platoon is $220(the same as the full on Combat Patrol Starter Set with terrain), the Squad is $69, the Command Squad is "reasonable" at $55.50("reasonable" because that's the same price as the Marneus Calgar single figure), each Heavy Weapon is $39, and the individual models are more than the Codex Supplements for Marines.

oooshhh. To be fair I was expecting $70 for the squads, I do remember the Steel Legion MTO and watch the Old World ones. I honestly expected GW to go even higher this time. The single models are just ridiculous though. But again it really is expected from them nowadays. Charge $10 for the model, $10 for the MTO, and the rest for the FOMO charge.

In the other direction I'm a bit surprised regarding the relatively humane cost of the platoon (175 €)?
In modern Cadians that would be 2x Infantry Squad (84 €) + Command Squad (37 €) + Heavy Weapons Team (42 €) = 163 € so almost the same. I would have expected the Vostroyan set to be MUCH more expensive. I don't collect Vostroyans, but I have to say... it's tempting.

Fingers crossed that one of these days they bring back Muukali Riders and other Tallarns for a while...


Edit: And I second the others: while the Grognards are good, these Vostroyan Gentlemen look really stunning.

I am at crossroads: a whole another platoon or 4 heavy weapons teams and a set of snipers.

The latter just feels like I’d be throwing away money. The only enticing factor are:
I want at least 1 of each original sculpts.
I want to be able to field a squad of heavy weapon teams.

But unlike extra weapon teams I can at least pawn off a second platoon in 5 years if I don’t get to painting it.

Platoon and Squad are priced just fine. Comparable to modern Cadians, as someone said, its fine.

Not sure how they even arrive at 22£ for the special weapons.

I'll probably get a squad and maybe painstakingly bite my nails on an over priced plasma gun. I'll see, I already kinda figured it would end up being about 100 for a squad... Really regretting not buying one years and years ago at my FLGS when they were on the shelf. But that was before I had at least one squad of all the metal Guard minus these guys, Praetorians and Tallarns.


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 triplegrim wrote:
Platoon and Squad are priced just fine. Comparable to modern Cadians, as someone said, its fine.

Not sure how they even arrive at 22£ for the special weapons.

Yeah the singles have been wonky for a while. Even before they had the "last chance" on the Steel Legion the lone Plasma gun and Ork head sergeant were something like $12-$15 when a whole ten man squad including heavy weapon was $35.

$43 for a Guardsman pretty much has me literally laughing out loud. Thankfully I was already planning on passing on them, but the pricing seems out to lunch.

Everyone thought they were overpriced when they were $8 a piece in blisters when they first came out too.

 Snrub wrote:
The mad bastards actually did it! They exceeded the prices of the Steel Legion MTO.

Guys, erm, The Vostroyans all died off screen. k thx bye.
- GW, 2029

 Asmodai wrote:
$43 for a Guardsman pretty much has me literally laughing out loud. Thankfully I was already planning on passing on them, but the pricing seems out to lunch.

Everyone thought they were overpriced when they were $8 a piece in blisters when they first came out too.

43 US DOLLARS?!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The Platoon is alright.

Barely. Maybe I'll order one (I have quite a lot of them, but maybe I need some more for HH Militia) but not happily.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The squad is acceptable.

Not that much.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The command squad is decent.

Not at all. Don't know about UK prices, but last time it was 25€ for it including an additional guy with grenade launcher. Now it's 43,50€ without him.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Everything? Gor Blimey.

Yes. YES.

Hah hah! I don't know how the prices shook out in the rest of the world, but in the USA the officer with chainsword and the flamer guy cost more than the entire squad that contains both of them plus 8 guardsmen. I guess they'd really rather people buy in bulk.

Yup, £1.50 more for those two models compared to the squad they’re in.

Please note that in my summation I’m not saying any of the prices are good.

The Platoon is a decent number of models and units.

The Squad is pricey, but I guess ok if you want say, some Veterans as a stand out on the board unit.

Command Squad is about collector’s price for me. Something I’d want to pay just to have and paint them. Not a price I’d like to pay across an army.

Everything else can get in the bin price wise. Except, maybe the Snipers. But only because they appear to compare favourably in the face of pricing insanity.


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Just looked more closely at the Platoon. You get different Sarge and Special Weapons to the squad.

Now, that doesn’t change its overall value, but does add some additional appeal. Platoon and a Squad gets you some nice variety to drop into a larger army.

My theory is that they know these models will mainly appeal to old beardy collectors, so they are priced this way so that GW still gets their pound of flesh even if you just need that one chainsword guy for your collection and are passing on the rest.

Could be the way the moulds are laid out. For instance, if there’s a mould per special weapon, sarge and heavy weapon? You need to be careful how many you produce.

Yes, I know this is MTO. But they still knock some up in advance, then back fill to order.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

[...]
Command Squad is about collector’s price for me. Something I’d want to pay just to have and paint them. Not a price I’d like to pay across an army.
[...]

Now I'm curious about different pricing in different regions. Here (Germany) the Vostroyan Command Squad is 43,50 €, the Standard Cadian Command Squad 37 €. So basically the same ballpark (+17% to be exact). The Cadians have one more dude, but from the looks of it the Vostroyans have more details, especially the standard bearer and Commander.

The same for the Squad: German prices are 55€ for the Vostroyans and 42 for the Cadians (+30%). The Vostroyans have less options but are again (in my opinion at least) a lot more detailed.

Overall the costs don't seem to be that much out of place compared with the price hikes AM suffered anyway in the last years doesn't it?

Yeah. Squads and Platoon aren’t too awful.

The rest? Yeesh.

Yeah I bought the platoon which is a nice little addition for my army and I don't have any HWTs yet.

As much as I love the heavy bolters I'm not paying £75 for 3.

The sergeant with the bolt pistol is chainsword is one of my favourites from the whole range but again I can't honestly pay that price for one.

Could round out your Platoon with a third infantry squad? That way you’ll have one of each Sarge, and one of each Special Weapon.

Budget allowing of course.

Did the command squad and the officer with plasma pistol and power sword, those are all the sculpts I want. Just gonna stick with Grognards for everything else

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Could be the way the moulds are laid out. For instance, if there’s a mould per special weapon, sarge and heavy weapon? You need to be careful how many you produce.

Given these are in metal, any extra casts can just go back in the smelting pot. Wear and tear on the mould might be an issue, but there shouldn't be much material wastage.

I feel like we need a link.

https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/made-to-order

Considering a platoon, don't need 'em, won't do 'em justice but they are nice.

Do not understand why the command squad only comes with 4 men, that's just rude. I've an extra vos flamer or two somewhere... so that's an argument to getting them.

Very true, would not have killed them to throw in a 5th guy with a lasgun for the command squad.

I was tempted, but not gonna. Payday is next Friday, but I’ve a credit card to pay off and my next holiday in Japan to pay for.

So, whilst that doesn’t mean No Hobby Spending At All? I am for once having to be disciplined about what I buy, and that doesn’t include comparatively frivolous.

Lovely miniatures, probably the truest expression of John Blanche art in miniature form.

But no waaaaay at those prices, they're hilarious.

Well, I ordered a platoon to be made. I already have a good amount of Vostroyans (and every model), so this is just an 'add some more' move and now im saturated.

For new players, starters and enthusiasts this MtO is horrible, of course.

Well, I wasn’t satisfied with the single Vostroyan trooper I own (from the days when you could mail order individual models) so I ordered the platoon, a couple heavy weapon teams, and the officer with the chainsword. I’ll probably round out the platoon with some tanks if I see any I like at my LGS. Not a full Vostroyan army, but a cool expansion for my Necromundan Spiders army.

I don't find the price that outrageous honestly.

Going with current price on GW Canada, 3 Cadian squads, a command squad and a heavy weapon team goes for 313$.

The Vostroyan platoon plus an extra squad goes for 348$ for basically the same amount of minis. A quite small markeup for vintage metal guards honestly. I'd pay that if I was into them for sure. Plus that combo gives you one of each sergent and special weapon in the squads so you don't need to get those expensive singles, unless you really want all the same ones in each squads.

And the Vostroyan squad is the same price as any kill team for the guards (83$), so really not anything special at that point.

I don't remember the price for the last Steel Legion batch, but I have a feeling they were more expensive because I really wanted them but ended up skipping it entirely.

I sure hope that if they ever do the older Night Lord metal models, as a made-to-order, the pricing won't be as bad. But I say that knowing full well that they'll somehow find a way to make them cost more than buying the used ones for $70 a pop.

If people are curious without clicking on links

Platoon £134
24 metal single miniatures, 3 lascannon teams, so 30 blokes and 3 heavy weapons so roughly £4.47 per bloke.
– 1 Commander
– 1 Regimental Standard Bearer
– 1 Veteran Guardsman with Master vox
– 1 Veteran Guardsman with Medi-pack
– 3 Vostroyan Lascannon Teams
– 1 Sergeant with power fist
– 1 Sergeant with power sword
– 1 Trooper with grenade launcher
– 1 Trooper with plasma gun
– 16 troopers with lasguns

Command squad £34 - same as platoon
– 1 Commander
– 1 Regimental Standard Bearer
– 1 Veteran Guardsman with Master vox
– 1 Veteran Guardsman with Medi-pack

Squad - £42.50
Different sarge to platoon, different special weapon (flamer)

Heavy weapon team £25
Bolter/Mortar/las

Sniper 2 man team £25

Special weapon/Sarge £22
3 sarges, plasma, grenade and flamer specials

So if you wanted every model...
Platoon, squad, snipers, bolter, mortar... £251.50

Release doesn't include the 3 casualties of the sarge with just a laspistol

The pricing of the heavy weapon teams just seems whack compared to the platoon/squad/command costing.

It wouldn't have been so bad if the platoon had had one of each heavy weapons team in it :(.



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Plastic prices are heavy weapons squad (3 teams), 29.50/32.50

Command squad 25/29.50 with 5 or 6 1/2 guys in it

Infantry squad 25/32.50

I will likely get a platoon + the snipers. I haven't collected them so far, but I think they are great minis and in the grand scheme of things I find the platoon and squad prices... okayish. As mentioned by several posters: they are not that much more expensive than the regular Cadians (which sculpts I never really warmed with).

On that note: anyone interested in trading their Grenade Launcher guy for a Plasma guy? So me getting Grenade Launcher and you getting Plasma?

Individual Special Weapon troopers and Officers costing the same as 3 model Black Orc Command group or 5 rank-and-file Blorcs is wild.

I'll have to dig up my old Vostroyan collection to see if I'm missing anything crucial.

GW has to be taking the piss with these prices! For those who are saying they compare to buying the current plastic Cadian kits, don't forget that you can take 2 special weapons in a Cadian squad, but each squad of the Vostroyans only comes with one. So you're getting screwed on that. Also the Command Squad only comes with 4 dudes and you need 5 for the unit.

However, the counterargument is that these are collector pieces more than gaming pieces, so maybe one could factor that in to the prices and not worry about the models not being a fully optimal loadout for gaming. I'm not into Vostroyans that much myself so it's an easy skip for me. Now, if they did Praetorians like this, even at these prices, I'd at least be sorely tempted.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
For those who are saying they compare to buying the current plastic Cadian kits[...]

Also, they're metal. Metal figures are more expensive to buy from every single miniature company I've ever purchased from than plastics. Significantly. That's normal. What isn't normal compared to pretty much any other manufacturer is the price of those plastic Cadians to begin with...

 ZergSmasher wrote:
GW has to be taking the piss with these prices! For those who are saying they compare to buying the current plastic Cadian kits, don't forget that you can take 2 special weapons in a Cadian squad, but each squad of the Vostroyans only comes with one. So you're getting screwed on that. Also the Command Squad only comes with 4 dudes and you need 5 for the unit.

However, the counterargument is that these are collector pieces more than gaming pieces, so maybe one could factor that in to the prices and not worry about the models not being a fully optimal loadout for gaming. I'm not into Vostroyans that much myself so it's an easy skip for me. Now, if they did Praetorians like this, even at these prices, I'd at least be sorely tempted.

Also... current plastic IG lines are kind of insane, price wise, so it's not like the MTO being a bit more expensive than that is reasonable.


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 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
For those who are saying they compare to buying the current plastic Cadian kits[...]

Also, they're metal. Metal figures are more expensive to buy from every single miniature company I've ever purchased from than plastics. Significantly. That's normal. What isn't normal compared to pretty much any other manufacturer is the price of those plastic Cadians to begin with...

Yes, exactly that.

Agreed, those prices for Cadians are bonkers, even more bonkers than the Vostoroyans.

I can understand still getting them though - there's stuff where if they re-released them I'd be extremely tempted even with bonkers prices.

These guys are cool but not in that category for me. Would love to play a game against a painted army of these guys though, absolutely great 40K aesthetic.

The recent-ish plastic blood angel tactical squad, if it went on MTO, I'd remortgage my house and buy enough to keep me going til death.


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My fairly small order has been dispatched already! Thought that might be useful info for folks.

I am still debating if I'll get a squad or not. The prices are absurd but I would really enjoy one real squad before having someone's printer go brrrt. I have 3 squads, a command section and heavy weapons for most of the other metal regiments and I would really like the same for these guys. luckily I can think it over to the weekend. I would be happy with just the one squad and its still better than the pants on head ebay prices for the official models.

I'm still resisting.

I have plenty of Cadians to build as Ventrillians plus the new vehicles. Waiting in the wings are the built and undercoated twenty Death Riders.

Plus, I'm kind of put out that the Platoon box doesn't give the extra bod for a full five strong Command Squad. It does make a purchase more resistable if I consider having to find an extra trooper via eBay or wherever.

Am I just being picky?

 Ruberu wrote:
I am still debating if I'll get a squad or not. The prices are absurd but I would really enjoy one real squad before having someone's printer go brrrt. I have 3 squads, a command section and heavy weapons for most of the other metal regiments and I would really like the same for these guys. luckily I can think it over to the weekend. I would be happy with just the one squad and its still better than the pants on head ebay prices for the official models.

In the way, way back my solution to the lone squad in a different army was a Steel Legion squad in the Cadian army's only Chimera as its visually distinct mobile infantry element. I was happy with it.

That was a different time, of course, but with the expansion of the Imperial Guard motor pool, if I did the same today with a squad of Vostroyans, I'd consider Chimeras for the army and one tarted up half-track for the Vostroyans, possibly the Commissar car.

Good old Armoured Fist squad. Veterans in a chimera with mean guns. Drive up, disembark, blow hell out of something, profit. Also a nice alternative to building full-on infantry platoons in the older guard codexes.

I emails customer service asking if the platoon could have one of each heavy weapon squad. Nope.

 alphaecho wrote:


I'm still resisting.

I have plenty of Cadians to build as Ventrillians plus the new vehicles. Waiting in the wings are the built and undercoated twenty Death Riders.

Plus, I'm kind of put out that the Platoon box doesn't give the extra bod for a full five strong Command Squad. It does make a purchase more resistable if I consider having to find an extra trooper via eBay or wherever.

Am I just being picky?

When playing it as Krieg CS you'd need even two more. I'd just take a servitor or a suitable Inquisition henchman from that time to fill the squad - guys you usually find in the artworks too.

But well, it's your decision - the MtO isn't that appealing pricewise.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
I emails customer service asking if the platoon could have one of each heavy weapon squad. Nope.

That's a Mail Order Troll era thing.

"I like your deal on Valhallans in the back of White Dwarf. Can you do it with Cadians instead?"

"Yes"

"Sold"

I spent waaaaay too much on this MTO.

and, you know, just ONCE I’d like to not have to wait the full 180 days…or longer…

Still waiting on the SoB MTO from January.

The Tau shieldwall MTO they did a while back they just cancelled part of my order for no apparent reason.

BUT THIS ONE WILL BE DIFFERENT, DANGIT!

 Dryaktylus wrote:


When playing it as Krieg CS you'd need even two more. I'd just take a servitor or a suitable Inquisition henchman from that time to fill the squad - guys you usually find in the artworks too.

But well, it's your decision - the MtO isn't that appealing pricewise.

That's not a bad idea. Sister Doialogus or likewise.

Pricewise, not as bad as I thought it would be for the Platoon.

Then again, I still have a bunch of freshly stripped Praetorians to Contrast up plus the Victoria Lamb Kickstarter waiting in the wings.

Yes, I'm out. I managed to avoid temptation for them 20 years ago after all.

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 ZergSmasher wrote:
For those who are saying they compare to buying the current plastic Cadian kits[...]

Also, they're metal. Metal figures are more expensive to buy from every single miniature company I've ever purchased from than plastics. Significantly. That's normal. What isn't normal compared to pretty much any other manufacturer is the price of those plastic Cadians to begin with...

Before they discontinued the metal Steel Legion as a regular part of the range, it had actually become cheaper than the contemporary plastic squads, and had a heavy weapon to boot. The Steel Legion squad had essentially stayed the same price for about a decade whilst the plastic squads kept creeping up until they actually overtook the metals. I managed to snag a bunch just as they did the last chance to buy.

Absolutely wild, and really shows how much of a mark-up the plastic kits probably get.

Memory check the Vostroyans were supposed to have caraprice right?

Thinking maybe Moridan Storm Troopers/scions/kasrkin.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Memory check the Vostroyans were supposed to have caraprice right?

Thinking maybe Moridan Storm Troopers/scions/kasrkin.

They did indeed. When first released, they had the carapace armour doctrine under the 3.5th Imperial Guard codex doctrines system (along with hardened fighters, sharpshooters, heavy weapons platoons, and special weapons squads). That made for some expensive, elite guardsmen!

 Haighus wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Memory check the Vostroyans were supposed to have caraprice right?

Thinking maybe Moridan Storm Troopers/scions/kasrkin.

They did indeed. When first released, they had the carapace armour doctrine under the 3.5th Imperial Guard codex doctrines system (along with hardened fighters, sharpshooters, heavy weapons platoons, and special weapons squads). That made for some expensive, elite guardsmen!

To be fair, under the old AP system the jump from 5+ to 4+ save almost doubled survivability, as alot of things were AP 5 thus ignoring the 5+ save, in general only heavy weapons were AP 4 or lower to go through the Carapace Armour.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Memory check the Vostroyans were supposed to have caraprice right?

Thinking maybe Moridan Storm Troopers/scions/kasrkin.

I use them as Militia in HH and give them all (the HWS too) the 4+ via Armoury of Old Night. They fit quite well in the setting and as a more 'normal' force next to my Mechanicum.

Funnily they were designed after some Blanche sketches for Horus Heresy only to be historically noninvolved there when they were released...

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Memory check the Vostroyans were supposed to have caraprice right?

Thinking maybe Moridan Storm Troopers/scions/kasrkin.

They did indeed. When first released, they had the carapace armour doctrine under the 3.5th Imperial Guard codex doctrines system (along with hardened fighters, sharpshooters, heavy weapons platoons, and special weapons squads). That made for some expensive, elite guardsmen!

To be fair, under the old AP system the jump from 5+ to 4+ save almost doubled survivability, as alot of things were AP 5 thus ignoring the 5+ save, in general only heavy weapons were AP 4 or lower to go through the Carapace Armour.

Well, all of those upgrades combined bumped a Guard squad from 60pts to 105pts. That is a lot for a Guard squad. Carapace was 20pts per squad.

 Haighus wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Memory check the Vostroyans were supposed to have caraprice right?

Thinking maybe Moridan Storm Troopers/scions/kasrkin.

They did indeed. When first released, they had the carapace armour doctrine under the 3.5th Imperial Guard codex doctrines system (along with hardened fighters, sharpshooters, heavy weapons platoons, and special weapons squads). That made for some expensive, elite guardsmen!

To be fair, under the old AP system the jump from 5+ to 4+ save almost doubled survivability, as alot of things were AP 5 thus ignoring the 5+ save, in general only heavy weapons were AP 4 or lower to go through the Carapace Armour.

Well, all of those upgrades combined bumped a Guard squad from 60pts to 105pts. That is a lot for a Guard squad. Carapace was 20pts per squad.

Yeah, but well worth it, especially for Carapace at the time.

That's what attracted me to Vostroyans in the first place: One of the only "medium" heavy armies at 4+ armor save. Nearly everything else was Meq (T4 3+) or T3, 5+ like both eldar armies, and guard. Only Tau and Vostroyan var semi-elite enough to be 4+ which was an extremely nice place to sit at the rules back then. Perhaps comparable to 3+/4++ invul in 10th? Almost no weapons had AP4 except autocannon, and AP123 was surely wasted on these lads.




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I pulled the trigger and ordered the Platoon.

The 3 lascannons you get was the deciding factor. I'd regret not getting them sooner or later. The models are great for a lot of conversions/drivers and so on (gunner and binocular guy).

I pay under protest, due to the predatory pricing on the special weapons singles (which I didnt order), but gotta vote with my wallet and ask for more of the same, I suppose.

Also, would like to kitbash a few of these lads and with metal, I might need a lot of attempts to get it right. I want the flag for my Vostroyan version of Commisar Graves commiecar, for starters.

I've been sticking anvil industries heads on the cadian bodies to make them appear more Vostroyan in appearance and honestly that works for me at least (and a matching paint job). I ended up actually getting the command squad off Ebay (going to be used for conversion work and magnetization, especially the banner guy). I've literally got every other mini. It was $4 more expensive after shipping and I get it next week rather than in a year when I've forgotten why I ordered it.

I also miss the old 'make your own guard' system. Detachments is fine but none of them provide that 'medium armor' asthetic unless you want to just do scions/karskin. Which, while I don't mind them, I continually get annoyed at the 'only cadians' vibe of some things especially since the planet got kablooed.

My MTO command squad arrived within a few days. I'm pretty convinced MTO mostly means "we found some of these in a box". I've had friends get MTO orders cancelled because GW didn't "produce" enough once or twice in the past.

Billicus wrote:
My MTO command squad arrived within a few days. I'm pretty convinced MTO mostly means "we found some of these in a box". I've had friends get MTO orders cancelled because GW didn't "produce" enough once or twice in the past.

They always produce some initial stock before putting it up then run the MTO until the molds give out. These are definitely not stock they "found" laying around the warehouse, especially since they've moved warehouses and built multiple new production facilities.

Eh, I think it probably is.

Billicus wrote:
Eh, I think it probably is.

And you're basing that on.....?

GW has a general policy of not keeping stock just sitting around, they don't just leave stuff in the warehouse that isn't needed and available. Made to Order products are something where they have made an initial batch when they have the ability to do so, then will find the room in the schedule for the rest within 6 months.

Not to mention that we're talking metal stock here, that's been off-sale for a while, and on their second MTO run.

Metal stock would get chucked in the smelting pot if no longer required.

Even if anything Vostroyan had been sitting around, it would've gone in their first MTO - as there shouldn't be excess stock after a MTO, given that's the point of a MTO...

Ultimately decided to pass, moving back to the US this summer so downsizing.

Ah well.