bhsman wrote:The best description of the new walker is that it's like a Marine, in Terminator armor, and also using this to pilot an exosuit a la Avatar or Aliens.

Which sounds incredibly dumb in concept. :(

Given that PA/TDA is an exoskeltal armor, I think we're going to need Xibit to explain how GW heard that we liked Knights in Exoskeletal Armor so they put our Knights in Exoskeletal Armor *in* ExoskeletalArmor so we could have a Knight in Exoskeletal Armor in our Exoskeletal Armor...

OK, yeah, when you imagine Xibit explaining it sounds incredibly dumb in concept.
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Jaon wrote: Imagine a terminator strapped into a massive walker ...it COULD be cool. Lets just hope we dont get a chibi-walker / walking toaster yeah?

(note this is NOT a dreadknight, it is art by a random)

We'll see, but after the Penitent Engine and box-stock Defiler, along with the latest StormRaven being "phoned in", I'm not so hopeful.

The art isn't terrible, but it is kinda silly.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

bhsman wrote:The best description of the new walker is that it's like a Marine, in Terminator armor, and also using this to pilot an exosuit a la Avatar or Aliens.

Which sounds incredibly dumb in concept. :(

Given that PA/TDA is an exoskeltal armor, I think we're going to need Xibit to explain how GW heard that we liked Knights in Exoskeletal Armor so they put our Knights in Exoskeletal Armor *in* ExoskeletalArmor so we could have a Knight in Exoskeletal Armor in our Exoskeletal Armor...

OK, yeah, when you imagine Xibit explaining it sounds incredibly dumb in concept.
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Jaon wrote: Imagine a terminator strapped into a massive walker ...it COULD be cool. Lets just hope we dont get a chibi-walker / walking toaster yeah?

(note this is NOT a dreadknight, it is art by a random)

We'll see, but after the Penitent Engine and box-stock Defiler, along with the latest StormRaven being "phoned in", I'm not so hopeful.

The art isn't terrible, but it is kinda silly.

You are right. But theres always hope. Anyway, at least the thing will be a god damn beast

Jaon wrote:And to you my friend I say No! Exosuits with power are not wholly stupid! Check it. Although its not insanely awesome, it IS a cool concept (YMMV) Imagine a terminator strapped into a massive walker ...it COULD be cool. Lets just hope we dont get a chibi-walker / walking toaster yeah?

Oh, I liked them in said movies and I hoped that it just meant that we were getting the Penitent Engine instead, but this is sounding trying to make something cool and overdoing it. I'll just have to see how the model looks and hope that it doesn't steal the Dreadnought's thunder.

I guess the best we can hope for is some sort of modified "Throne of Judgment" looking thing?

I have to be honest, I can't imagine GW pulling this one off.

But, at least it will allow for some cool 'counts as' stuff!

I have to be honest, I can't imagine GW pulling this one off.

It will be fine, just look how well-received the Stormraven kit has been.

that concept art is incredible

I guess I don't understand why GK's need these walkers to fight greater demons. Isn't that what demon hammers and nemesis force weapons are for? What about faith in the emperor?

Noisy_Marine wrote:I guess I don't understand why GK's need these walkers to fight greater demons. Isn't that what demon hammers and nemesis force weapons are for? What about faith in the emperor?

While you maybe could take out Brock Lesnar with a billy club - I bet you'd rather hit him with an armored car if you had the choice...

Jaon wrote:(note this is NOT a dreadknight, it is art by a random)

Techmarine Gastro was well known for his bowel issues, and so none of his battle-brothers were surprised when one day he took to battle in his new creation, the mobile "throne".

Noir wrote:

Jaon wrote:Since when was the DK confirmed? At all? Gw have said nothing, its just a credible rumour. Unless theres like a picture of in in the codex or something, it may as well just be a person making up some really cool really viable rumours. Dreadknight isnt even its real name! Its an internet name it adopted at warseer! aararrarara!

I been think about this, the DK said to be like MC big right. Isn't there a small Tatin the "Knight" something or other. GW been pushing more models and bigger models this edtion. So what are the odds with there over the top sytle they been doing latey, of it being the mini Tatin.

I belive i was the first too post KNIGHT TITAN! KNIGHT TITAN! KNIGHT TITAN!
I think the can pull it off seeing its scale and all

fatty wrote:
I belive i was the first too post KNIGHT TITAN! KNIGHT TITAN! KNIGHT TITAN!

Batsignal is to Batman as "Knight Titan" is to Platuan4th

WHERE IS HE?!?

The Dreaknight exists to sell models.

So therefore, it is needed.

I'm sure fluff-wise the justification will be to kill Greater Daemons...

IF if looks cool - so be it!

If not... bleech!

Noisy_Marine wrote:I guess I don't understand why GK's need these walkers to fight greater demons. Isn't that what demon hammers and nemesis force weapons are for? What about faith in the emperor?

My heart is pure.
My faith is strong.
My will is resolute.
My blade is keen.
My bolter armed.
I am Mankind's finest instrument of death.
Against the Forces of Chaos, even that may not be enough.
By his Grace, I will bring Wrath upon his enemies.
By his Will, they will fall beneath my might.
With this, his Instrument, will the Daemon be purged.
- Brother Samiel entering battle armed with a TKA* suit

* Tactical Knight Armor

Afterall, if TDA is smaller Dreadnought armor, why not just punch it up a notch. Grey Knights are nothing if not pragmatic. There are somethings that even force weapons and Daemon Hammers aren't the best at destroying. Not to mention that if it has an AV it will be immune to small arms fire and poison weapons (Nurgle anyone?) and Bloodcrushers/fiends will hate it.

My assumption is actually opposite to Alpharius'. GK's are already good at killing GDs. Mass Str 6 is good there and the MC rules don't really hurt them if they can get DH and SS. Where as GD's and DP's eat up walkers/AV. I would think of a Dreadknight being used during massive daemonic incursions to deal with large groups of Daemon's. Afterall, a squad of GK's don't really want to charge into a unit of Bloodcrushers or 'letters. That's not going to be fun for anyone. But a Dreadknight? He'll make quick work of them.

I suppose nobody knows if this Dreadknight is expected to get an actual model right away, or if is it just an option in the codex?

My wallet wants to know approximately how much it needs to reserve for this release, and such a model will probably add a fair amount to it

TBD wrote:
My wallet wants to know approximately how much it needs to reserve for this release, and such a model will probably add a fair amount to it

Asking how much your wallet need to keep for the next Grey Knight minies is like asking how much you should pay for a liver transplant. When you really need it, price is not a factor

Phil

It'll be the third plastic kid by all indications, instead of, y'know, plastic Stormtroopers or something.

i am so glad my b-day is in march
jah i can see the dreadknight for max killing deamons.
say a knight titan with vulcan heavy bolter will do the job
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what do you guys think will we see some kind of gatteling gun for the dreadknight?

because right now i believe they lack something against hordes and that for a force that will alawys be out numbered.

fatty wrote:
because right now i believe they lack something against hordes and that for a force that will alawys be out numbered.

Umm Storm Bolters default with Incinerators all over the place.

I may be wrong, but I thought GK (right now) had a problem with armor, not with hordes.

bhsman wrote:It'll be the third plastic kid by all indications, instead of, y'know, plastic Stormtroopers or something.

Wasn't the GK Dreadnought supposedly the 3rd plastic kit?

Not that a fourth plastic kit would be a bad thing

TBD wrote:

bhsman wrote:It'll be the third plastic kid by all indications, instead of, y'know, plastic Stormtroopers or something.

Wasn't the GK Dreadnought supposedly the 3rd plastic kit?

This turned out to be the Furioso kit.

The best-case scenario is that this thing is more like the District 9 exo-suit (sans bug legs) than the Matrix 3 suit or the Eldar War Walker. It always looked to me like you were riding face-first into battle in one of those. Your battlecry might as well be, "Look at me! I've got great big scary weapons and bugger-all for protection! Shoooooooot meeeeeee!"

I guess I don't understand why GK's need these walkers to fight greater demons. Isn't that what demon hammers and nemesis force weapons are for? What about faith in the emperor?

Now that´s a pretty stupid argument.

Why not, if they can do the job better with better wargear then why not?

I guess you think our soldiers should hunt enemy tanks with limpet mines or police take down an armed criminal bare handed?
I mean why should they ever take superior equipment to get the job done with more efficiency and less casualties?

pretre wrote:Afterall, a squad of GK's don't really want to charge into a unit of Bloodcrushers or 'letters.

That's not going to be fun for anyone.

How about a metric F-ton of Bloodletters with S5 Power Weapons?

I understand the Chaos player had fun playing it out...

JohnHwangDD wrote:

pretre wrote:Afterall, a squad of GK's don't really want to charge into a unit of Bloodcrushers or 'letters.

That's not going to be fun for anyone.

How about a metric F-ton of Bloodletters with S5 Power Weapons?

I understand the Chaos player had fun playing it out...

Exactly. Now play out that same scenario with 1 or 2 AV 12/13 Tactical Knight Suits.

"Oh, your champion might do something with a lucky rend? GL with that"

JohnHwangDD wrote:

bhsman wrote:The best description of the new walker is that it's like a Marine, in Terminator armor, and also using this to pilot an exosuit a la Avatar or Aliens.

Which sounds incredibly dumb in concept. :(

Given that PA/TDA is an exoskeltal armor, I think we're going to need Xibit to explain how GW heard that we liked Knights in Exoskeletal Armor so they put our Knights in Exoskeletal Armor *in* ExoskeletalArmor so we could have a Knight in Exoskeletal Armor in our Exoskeletal Armor...

OK, yeah, when you imagine Xibit explaining it sounds incredibly dumb in concept.

"Yo dawg, I heared you like power armor so we put power armor on your power armor so you can outsell Xenos all the time!"

pretre wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

pretre wrote:Afterall, a squad of GK's don't really want to charge into a unit of Bloodcrushers or 'letters.

That's not going to be fun for anyone.

How about a metric F-ton of Bloodletters with S5 Power Weapons?

I understand the Chaos player had fun playing it out...

Exactly. Now play out that same scenario with 1 or 2 AV 12/13 Tactical Knight Suits.

"Oh, your champion might do something with a lucky rend? GL with that"

Their "Champion" is probably a WS10 S7 BloodThirster, so I don't think he's much worried about a WS5 AV12/AV13 Walker:
- 5 attacks, hitting on 3s
- roll S7+2d6 vs AV12/AV13

That Bloodthister probably hits 3 times, for at least 2 Penetrating hits.

Hope the GK didn't pay much for their super Dread.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Their "Champion" is probably a BloodThirster, and I don't think he's much worried about a WS4 AV12 Walker.

I thought we were talking about a metric F'ton of Bloodletters.

BT is a MC and can't attach.

JohnHwangDD wrote:How about a metric F-ton of Bloodletters with S5 Power Weapons?

I understand the Chaos player had fun playing it out...

Sanctuary.

that's harsh dude but true and fun

pretre wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Their "Champion" is probably a BloodThirster, and I don't think he's much worried about a WS4 AV12 Walker.

I thought we were talking about a metric F'ton of Bloodletters.

BT is a MC and can't attach.

You dropped in the cybot, which can't attach, either. .

pretre wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BT is a MC and can't attach.

You dropped in the cybot, which can't attach, either. .

Yet to be determined.

Although I would probably scream bloody murder if GK got an upgrade character hidden MC/walker in their units.

Like Inq. Lord Karamazov on his Throne of Judgement?

He's an MC and can't join a unit.

That and my C:WH seems to be missing Page 45. Such a shame.

VoidAngel wrote:The best-case scenario is that this thing is more like the District 9 exo-suit (sans bug legs) than the Matrix 3 suit or the Eldar War Walker. It always looked to me like you were riding face-first into battle in one of those. Your battlecry might as well be, "Look at me! I've got great big scary weapons and bugger-all for protection! Shoooooooot meeeeeee!"

Unless you think PA or TA lacks protection.

I don't think it's going to be a matter of the GK stripping butt naked and piloting the dreadknight. It's hard enough to kill them with armour on let alone in the middle of a massive exoskeleton.

VoidAngel wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:I guess I don't understand why GK's need these walkers to fight greater demons. Isn't that what demon hammers and nemesis force weapons are for? What about faith in the emperor?

While you maybe could take out Brock Lesnar with a billy club - I bet you'd rather hit him with an armored car if you had the choice...

Lol +1 internets for you

I'm really hoping the Dreadknight is a terrible, terrible joke.

I can't understand for the life of me why Terminator Armour would be considered "a good idea" to plant someone inside something similar to a Warwalker.

Now, what I have to wonder is maybe they give us rules for a Terminator grade individual who was ensconced into a Dreadnought.

I don'y get it either:
If you want GK to have some shock troops to fight off daemons, being the same size, give us a dreadnought.

The Dreadknight sounds like rubbish to me. However...maybe one day GW will up the size of SM models to be more to scale with the fluff. Of course, I never expect to see that...ever.

I finally go to see the Stormraven and Librarian Dred in person today. The Raven is of course amazing but I'm really underwelmed where the Librarian dred is conscerned. I'm all for the GK getting a plastic (non Forgeworld) dred, but I would hope it would at least be well designed.

Kanluwen wrote:I'm really hoping the Dreadknight is a terrible, terrible joke.

maybe the dreadknight is simply the name of a GK-specific dread that isn't much different from the regular flavors, ala the naming of blood angel DCCW as blood something or other (can't recall the name right now) but operating the same as normal DCCWs.

Elindiel wrote:maybe one day GW will up the size of SM models to be more to scale with the fluff. Of course, I never expect to see that...ever.

It'd be easier, cheaper, and smarter for GW to *shrink* the size of IG infantry models by 15% to 20%. Instead of having Guardsmen who stand 6' 6", have them stand 5' 6". By virtue of having smaller regular humans, everything else is proportionally bigger. And de-"Heroic" them to make them scrawnier, so Orks & Marines look obviously bulker by comparison.


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warboss wrote:maybe the dreadknight is simply the name of a GK-specific dread that isn't much different from the regular flavors, ala the naming of blood angel DCCW as blood something or other (can't recall the name right now) but operating the same as normal DCCWs.

"Blood Fist."

Say it again.

"Blood Fist."


If the coming "DreadKnight" is nothing more than a bog-standard SM Dreadnought with a "Knight" name tacked on, I'll be ecstatic over yet another example of GW's pure laziness and lack of imagination in their development team.

To be fair, we still don't know if "Dreadknight" is the actual name. We just keep getting people saying it as a descriptive measure.

Are paladins still circulating rumors, or are they set-in-stone? I can't remember, but aren't they supposedly a squad upgrade?

And, to JohnHwangDD, GW's laziness should never surprise you, nor should their occasional stupidity. What SHOULD surprise you, however, is yet to be determined...

*Shrug*, maybe I have an overactive imagination.....but I think the idea of a Grey Knight piloting around a big machine ala Matrix suit...is pretty freaking cool...

SweetLou wrote:that concept art is incredible

Mostly. It seems silly to have all that structure and armor but leave the pilot completely out in the open. Reminds me of the old metal Eldar walker...the one with the pilot hanging off the front with 0 protection.

I will say I am looking forward to seeing what they put out, but at the same time Im kinda worried since theres a great opportunity to do something really dumb. Either way it will likely be plastic, which means even if the finished product sucks there will be bits a plenty for conversions.

Plus it's not really "concept art".

It's just a sketch by some random.

Useless or not i predict a really cool model for the dread knight - im thinking of a sort of plastic penance engine with loads of scrolls and skulls and other gubbinz...

JohnHwangDD wrote:



If the coming "DreadKnight" is nothing more than a bog-standard SM Dreadnought with a "Knight" name tacked on, I'll be ecstatic over yet another example of GW's pure laziness and lack of imagination in their development team.

This would not shock me at all. Rebox some of the parts from the exosting dread kits, throw in a couple GK specific parts, then make like its some great new thing.

Im giving even odds on reboxed dread vs something new and equally dumb.


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arkapello wrote:Useless or not i predict a really cool model for the dread knight - im thinking of a sort of plastic penance engine with loads of scrolls and skulls and other gubbinz...

Meh. Im kinda getting tired of GW tacking a ton of scrolls and skulls to everything. It doesnt make for a cool model. It makes for a cluttered model. Its a cheap way of getting around actually sculpting something detailed and intricate.

^^ it is supposed to be so a terminator GK can fight a greater demon. Or even a skirmish between a bunch of greater demons against a bunch of GK.

nvm I see someone already brought it up.

Honestly I think it is cool and a new canon/ tech-priest/ inquisition sort of thing to add.

Tacobake wrote:^^ it is supposed to be so a terminator GK can fight a greater demon

If it has an AV, a squad of GKTs would have better odds against a MC. That bonus d6 is brutal.

Its a monstrous creature. We dont need another walker. That would be completely redundant.

You know what they send in to fight Greater Daemons when Terminators won't cut it?

More Terminators. And this?:



Now useless~

Tacobake wrote:^^ it is supposed to be so a terminator GK can fight a greater demon

The whole point of GK is that no matter how huge the monstrosity, it is brought down by one human with the power of faith and skill. Angron was banished by one dude. Why would the GK need a bigger physical machine to fight daemons?

You know, I can almost see a "Dreadknight" working in the following circumstance.

It's not really a "Terminator inside", but it amounts to a psychically driven construct that has a Terminator controlling it from the outside. Think "warjack".

^^ it is supposed to be so a terminator GK can fight a greater demon. Or even a skirmish between a bunch of greater demons against a bunch of GK.

A few stormshield and hammer terminators do that job far better then one of them suicide cans...I mean dreadnoughts.

Pretty ridiculous to even consider a dread, what can it do besides get killed by the first missile launcher that points at it or a deamon prince in cc.
Always pissed me of that GK dreads are just like any other dreads out there, completely and utterly worthless vs anything being even close to monstrous in cc.

...but a normal marine in a termie armour does it far better. Logic and GW, my oh my.


On another thought, the rumored psychic powers for knight squads, how ill they work with the force weapon ability.
I cant see a squad of PAGKs use a psychic power and in the same turn use that force weapon to instant kill something.
Same goes with that gate power if it will be in the codex, no way a squad can gate and also use another psychic power.

I bet those rumored super terminators will be the only unit apart from some HQ selection, that will count as master psychers and be allowed to use two powers a turn.

Well just think how cool it is when brother Justicar DOES take down the GD....

I definately /cry with regards to the nice FW dreads. Hopefully they might even get some love, AV13, Venerable....

JohnHwangDD wrote:

warboss wrote:maybe the dreadknight is simply the name of a GK-specific dread that isn't much different from the regular flavors, ala the naming of blood angel DCCW as blood something or other (can't recall the name right now) but operating the same as normal DCCWs.

"Blood Fist."

Say it again.

"Blood Fist."

ahhh, that's why i keep blocking it out from my memory. it sounds like a gay porn or low budget martial arts movie. :(

I thought it was "Bloodtalon"?

Blood Fist = DCCW in the Blood Angels codex; Blood Talons are the Lightning Claws for Dreads that give you an extra attack for every slain enemy.

ph34r wrote:

Tacobake wrote:^^ it is supposed to be so a terminator GK can fight a greater demon

The whole point of GK is that no matter how huge the monstrosity, it is brought down by one human with the power of faith and skill. Angron was banished by one dude. Why would the GK need a bigger physical machine to fight daemons?

Because it took 100 dudes. It was just one dude who landed the final blow.

Yeah, 100 terminator dudes at that.

The Dreadknight does not have 'Bloodfists'. It does have fists though...

Yeah, but wouldn't it be so much cooler with BLOODKNIGHTTITANFISTS?

This model which, to our knowledge may not actually exist? How cool would that added speculation be? And maybe there's some crossover! Maybe the Bloodknighttitanfist was donated to them by the Blood Angels, and Dante could be taken as a troop choice. Awesome.

DarknessEternal wrote:

ph34r wrote:

Tacobake wrote:^^ it is supposed to be so a terminator GK can fight a greater demon

The whole point of GK is that no matter how huge the monstrosity, it is brought down by one human with the power of faith and skill. Angron was banished by one dude. Why would the GK need a bigger physical machine to fight daemons?

Because it took 100 dudes. It was just one dude who landed the final blow.

Wrong.
100 GKT vs 12 Bloodthirsters and Angron. Only one GKT made it into combat with Angron and stood his ground. He then burnt out the entirety of his soul to banish Angron.

Weren't there 20 Bloodthirsters? It was q full company of Grey Knights versus Angron and a score of Bloodthirsters. Is a score not 20 (I get confused with old-timey words that mean numbers. Why not just use the number?)

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Dreadknight does not have 'Bloodfists'. It does have fists though...

how do you know that?

i wonder why is evrybody trashing GW on things they havnt named or constructed yet? your all talking like they already made the worst possible codex with you negatiefthoughts. this message is of course for those involved you know who you are look at your post

fatty wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Dreadknight does not have 'Bloodfists'. It does have fists though...

how do you know that?

Because "he knows something you don't know".

And is apparently milking it for all it's worth...

Kanluwen wrote:To be fair, we still don't know if "Dreadknight" is the actual name. We just keep getting people saying it as a descriptive measure.

We do, and it is.

reds8n wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:To be fair, we still don't know if "Dreadknight" is the actual name. We just keep getting people saying it as a descriptive measure.

We do, and it is.

How do we know?

..because I'm awesome.

reds8n wrote:..because I'm awesome.

So, what you mean is you know. Thought I'd missed something.

Yes, some of us here know things.

Some of us here pretend to know things.

It's a game for the rest of you to figure out what's what.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes, some of us here know things.

Some of us here pretend to know things.

It's a game for the rest of you to figure out what's what.

I have no problem with you 'knowing' things, but it helps if you say how. I don't need to know where, who or why, but knowing it is legit makes a difference

i know nothing and pretend too know nothing he does that make me awesome too? wait don't awser that i know something.

really anticlimatic H.B.M.C. and really mature. too me it sounds that your not all to reliable

No worries mate - I know you don't know anything. That's never been a mystery. What is a mystery though is how you can spell my username correctly... yet can't find the shift key. Bizarre no?

UltraPrime wrote:I have no problem with you 'knowing' things, but it helps if you say how. I don't need to know where, who or why, but knowing it is legit makes a difference

Ya see, it's one of those catch-22 problems. If I say how I know, then I will be forever cut from knowing any more, but if I don't say how I know, you won't believe me. Lose/lose. All I do is occasionally point out where something is wrong (ie. yes the Dreadknight exists, no it does not have 'Bloodfists', no the book is not a Cruddance book). That's about it.

I realise I'm not being very helpful, and I certainly don't do this out of spite (or even ego). I would love nothing more than to tell you about new background, weapons, squads, and the mighty Dreadknight, and many of you know how much I despise GW's insane (and inane) levels of secrecy, but it is a secrecy that I'm essentially stuck behind. And I hate that. But I have no choice. Reds8n's in the same boat BTW. He has his own outside sources separate to my own and like me he's grinding his teeth being unable to simply go "No you fools! It's called a ******* *******!". But he can't either. Maybe that's the way GW wants it? They have all these secrets, and any of us who find out those secrets live in fear of ever revealing them. It's diabolical!

I can say though that I haven't seen the GK Codex. That's the 100% truth. That doesn't make what I'm saying untrue however.

reds8n wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:To be fair, we still don't know if "Dreadknight" is the actual name. We just keep getting people saying it as a descriptive measure.

We do, and it is.

Actually my lord, I believe warseer came up with the name..its something of an internet meme, to tell the truth. Whether it is real or not is yet to be seen. Unless you admit to "Know something we don't"

In which case you will receive the below statement.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes, some of us here know things.

Some of us here pretend to know things.

It's a game for the rest of you to figure out what's what.

I hate you bitterly

Hey H.B.M.C, those stars you've put instead of a name, do they correspond with the characters in the weapons name? If so, I guess "Blessed Gauntlet". If not, *shrug*, it was work time I was wasting.

Kanluwen wrote:You know, I can almost see a "Dreadknight" working in the following circumstance.

It's not really a "Terminator inside", but it amounts to a psychically driven construct that has a Terminator controlling it from the outside. Think "warjack".

So we are gonna get a GK dread with an antenna on top?

Jaon wrote: Whether it is real or not is yet to be seen.

No, it really does exist and really is called that.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ya see, it's one of those catch-22 problems. If I say how I know, then I will be forever cut from knowing any more, but if I don't say how I know, you won't believe me. Lose/lose. All I do is occasionally point out where something is wrong (ie. yes the Dreadknight exists, no it does not have 'Bloodfists', no the book is not a Cruddance book). That's about it.

The first part of that should be obvious to almost anyone. The second is actually a bit helpful to anyone with some patience. It does give a bit of direction to things.


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reds8n wrote:

Jaon wrote: Whether it is real or not is yet to be seen.

No, it really does exist and really is called that.

Im still hoping its a Knight titan, or something of that scale. On one hand it would make sense to do it, it could cross over to all SM chapters, and SM are in dire need of something Apoc/superheavy sized.

On the other hand the fact that it would such a wildly huge success pretty much guarantees GW wont do it. Instead they will make a couple more SCs.

Regardless Im still looking forward to it, whatever it may end up being.

Mad4Minis wrote:Im still hoping its a Knight titan, or something of that scale. On one hand it would make sense to do it, it could cross over to all SM chapters, and SM are in dire need of something Apoc/superheavy sized.

Hope all you want but sadly it's no where near that size (note - I have not seen it, but the description doesn't peg it to be any bigger than a Dread). Previous rumours for its armaments that came about via Warseer and Taco Bell are pretty close as well.

reds8n wrote:No, it really does exist and really is called that.

It's purely a term conceived entirely by Warseer; I saw it happen. Besides, other rumors peg it as having a Twilight-esque name.

Otherwise I'm beginning to suspect some extensive April Fools' joke surrounding this unit. Nothing's sounded right about it since day 1.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:Im still hoping its a Knight titan, or something of that scale. On one hand it would make sense to do it, it could cross over to all SM chapters, and SM are in dire need of something Apoc/superheavy sized.

Hope all you want but sadly it's no where near that size (note - I have not seen it, but the description doesn't peg it to be any bigger than a Dread). Previous rumours for its armaments that came about via Warseer and Taco Bell are pretty close as well.

S7 Assault 12?!?!

Or the one that you can upgrade with a Jet Pack?

bhsman wrote:It's purely a term conceived entirely by Warseer; I saw it happen.

Reds8n is 100% on the money here.

bhsman wrote:Otherwise I'm beginning to suspect some extensive April Fools' joke surrounding this unit. Nothing's sounded right about it since day 1.

I understand your reasons completely - I thought the idea of a 'Dreadknight' quasi-Dread was silly when I first heard about it - but it's real.


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synack wrote:S7 Assault 12?!?!

Or the one that you can upgrade with a Jet Pack?

I said close, not exactly. The rumours mentioned a Heavy Blast Psycannon and a Gatling Psycannon (or something like that). And a Jet Pack? Maybe. As I said, I haven't seen the Codex. GK's tend to do things with Teleportation rather than Jump Packs, so maybe it's like the Warp Spider and is Jump Infantry but doesn't actually have a Jump Pack per se.

The main point I'm getting a cross is that I don't know much about the Dreadknight, but like many others here from various sources I do know that it is real. And if the GK Codex is finished, which I have no reason to doubt that it isn't, then it will stay a Dreadknight forever more.

AgeOfEgos wrote:*Shrug*, maybe I have an overactive imagination.....but I think the idea of a Grey Knight piloting around a big machine ala Matrix suit...is pretty freaking cool...

For me, more pentinent engine than matrix, but yes. I think it sounds quite cool as well and I expect GW should be able to make a pretty freakin' cool model of it. So I for one (two) quite like the idea of a Dreadknight.

As for it's name, I don't think it's that bad. It's a Grey Knight, almost dreadnought. Hence Dreadknight. We can all see the similarity and method there.
I mean, it's an actual true-to-life play on words!
It's not just shoving Knight, Blood or Wolf into the name of something, it's an actual play on words.
Bloodfist for example, is neither a play on words nor accurate as it is not a fist made of blood. Dreadknight on the other hand is...



And H.B.M.C and Red, I for one appreciate your honesty. I wish you could give more away rather than just the cryptic point in the right direction (could we just ask yes/no questions?), but I'm patient enough to wait and at least you have accuracy rather than speculation.

bhsman wrote:Besides, other rumors peg it as having a Twilight-esque name.

It's kind of vague as to what the rumor is referring to, though.

The rumor about a "special" Dreadnought is true. It has a really lame name (think Twilight).

Could go either way, but with Red and H.B.M.C. both piling on to say the Dreadknight is called Dreadknight... I do think it's referring to a SC dread.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I realise I'm not being very helpful, and I certainly don't do this out of spite (or even ego).

No, it's definitely ego. You're only doing it to draw attention to yourself.

You could keep your mouth shut, and no one would be the wiser for it, but you don't.

Oh god. Here we go...

Vhalyar wrote:Could go either way, but with Red and H.B.M.C. both piling on to say the Dreadknight is called Dreadknight... I do think it's referring to a SC dread.

This is turning into Blood Angels all over again. And, like it, I'm feeling less and less enthusiastic about playing to the point of finding something else to spend my money on. And Daemonhunters were my first-ever army...

crazypsyko666 wrote:Yeah, but wouldn't it be so much cooler with BLOODKNIGHTTITANFISTS? .

Now, let's not get crazy.

Right now, I'm looking forward to DreadKnights armed with KnightFists and KnightLances or KnightShields or KnightKnights.

Yeah.

The art of turning excitement into infighting is an art no company but GW has as thoroughly mastered.

I for, one, am looking forward to the Dreadknight. I'm happy it's confirmed as this will get me something to go up to Nobz bikers, Trygons, soulgrinders, Wraithlords and other similar stuff and punch them in the face.

Phil

I realize that it is frustrating to have these sources so close, but unable to be pumped for the information we want, but I actually like the fact that they can confirm some things.

Wouldn't you rather know a few things are totally bogus or legit than just hear wild guesses? I know I prefer hard information, even if it is just scraps and tidbits.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ya see, it's one of those catch-22 problems. If I say how I know, then I will be forever cut from knowing any more, but if I don't say how I know, you won't believe me. Lose/lose. All I do is occasionally point out where something is wrong (ie. yes the Dreadknight exists, no it does not have 'Bloodfists', no the book is not a Cruddance book). That's about it.

Why not make a skwelp account, false identity, prove your sorces and protect your image? Then everyone is happy, it certainly isn't about ego (how can one take credit behind a mask?) and you may be able to help your source out with some office politics (Make believe you are a co-worker of your source whom your source may not like, problem solved!).

Truth be told, we shouldn't need things like this, but hopefully GW will eventually learn the meaning of the Age of Aquarius and get with the program...

JohnHwangDD wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:Yeah, but wouldn't it be so much cooler with BLOODKNIGHTTITANFISTS? .

Now, let's not get crazy.

Right now, I'm looking forward to DreadKnights armed with KnightFists and KnightLances or KnightShields or KnightKnights.

Yeah.

You forgot those things it uses to spot vehicles during night fighting, I believe they're called Knight-lights

In game you must state "Alright, since it's night fighting on turn 1, im turning on my Knight-Lights"

All I know I am buying one of those Dreadknights.

Because they are cool.

JohnHwangDD wrote:In game you must state "Alright, since it's night fighting on turn 1, im turning on my Knight-Lights"

But then again, do we need those? We're after all used to knight-fighting...

Phil

boreas wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:In game you must state "Alright, since it's night fighting on turn 1, im turning on my Knight-Lights"

But then again, do we need those? We're after all used to knight-fighting...

Phil

Never bring a knight to a gun fight....

The Dreadknight does not have 'Bloodfists'. It does have fists though...

Heck, hope it has 6 fists so it gets more attacks in cc instead of the crappy A2 the suicide cans get.

Wrong.
100 GKT vs 12 Bloodthirsters and Angron. Only one GKT made it into combat with Angron and stood his ground. He then burnt out the entirety of his soul to banish Angron.

Weird. It means 99 knights vs 12 bloodthirsters and its a draw basically meaning 10 knights = 1 bloodthirster.

And then 1 knight = 1 angron.
Poor angron must be a real whuss if it only takes one knight to kick his ass while it takes 10 knights to kick a "common" bloodthirster.

Yes, some of us here know things.

I´m even more awesome since I know that you know!

No, it's definitely ego. You're only doing it to draw attention to yourself.

You could keep your mouth shut, and no one would be the wiser for it, but you don't.

I think he´s just trying to help but in doing so there are people bound to react as if he is a wiseass.
You should be glad he confirms a rumor at least and respect that he is forbidden to say anything more.
As for the annoying rest, just take it for what it is, humor.

Now, let's not get crazy.

Right now, I'm looking forward to DreadKnights armed with KnightFists and KnightLances or KnightShields or KnightKnights.

As long as it has the (k)night fight you-cant-see-me-at-range rule.

Wouldn't you rather know a few things are totally bogus or legit than just hear wild guesses? I know I prefer hard information, even if it is just scraps and tidbits.

Exactamento!

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ya see, it's one of those catch-22 problems. If I say how I know, then I will be forever cut from knowing any more, but if I don't say how I know, you won't believe me. Lose/lose. All I do is occasionally point out where something is wrong (ie. yes the Dreadknight exists, no it does not have 'Bloodfists', no the book is not a Cruddance book). That's about it.

Why not make a skwelp account, false identity, prove your sorces and protect your image? Then everyone is happy...

Creating a 'fake account'?

No, not everyone will be happy then.

Guys, if you aren't used to how the whole 'rumor thing' works by now, well, there isn't much we can do for you.

Accept it for what it is, know that people have to 'protect their sources' (so they can continue to get info AND so that their source can continue to remain employed), "obey NDAs", and so on and so forth.

Considering HBMC is in Australia, I find it hard to believe he has any kind of insider information.

I find it more credible, however, that he's taking the piss out of the "I know more than you do, but can't say anything because I'm under a NDA" people.

vaatbak wrote:Never bring a knight to a gun fight....

Except when the Knight has a gun as well

Don't you all start white-knighting this idea...

Well, I certainly hope it's not Cruddance and certainly hope it's Kelly. Hell, even Ward would be fine in my books over Cruddance.....else the Dreadknight will be a 0-3 selection in each FOC slot, with 3 twin linked las cannons, fly, scout and cure carcinoma every turn.

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, I certainly hope it's not Cruddance and certainly hope it's Kelly. Hell, even Ward would be fine in my books over Cruddance.....else the Dreadknight will be a 0-3 selection in each FOC slot, with 3 twin linked las cannons, fly, scout and cure carcinoma every turn.

hey whats wrong with that? i still want 0-3 vindicare assasins.... (0-4 so i can get 12 cmon...)

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, I certainly hope it's not Cruddance and certainly hope it's Kelly. Hell, even Ward would be fine in my books over Cruddance.....else the Dreadknight will be a 0-3 selection in each FOC slot, with 3 twin linked las cannons, fly, scout and cure carcinoma every turn.

Imo due to this statement cruddance did an AMAZING job hiding the real issues with the IG codex :p Vendetta is just a smoke screen for the chimera

Kirasu wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, I certainly hope it's not Cruddance and certainly hope it's Kelly. Hell, even Ward would be fine in my books over Cruddance.....else the Dreadknight will be a 0-3 selection in each FOC slot, with 3 twin linked las cannons, fly, scout and cure carcinoma every turn.

Imo due to this statement cruddance did an AMAZING job hiding the real issues with the IG codex :p Vendetta is just a smoke screen for the chimera

I originally had "Change Rhinos to 15 pts and allow 22 marines to shoot out of it" as well....but felt I was being too harsh

"Lord Inquisitor..."
"Yes, Captain Stern?"
"We're the Inquisition, right?"
"Yes, Captain Stern."
"And the Inquisition can requistion all sorts of crazy $h!t, right?"
"... Yes. What new toy do you want now?"
"I want...this big exo-suit...thing. Covered with weapons too big to mount on Terminator armor. That deep strikes. And I want to stomp around the battlefield like a mini-Titan, and rip $h!t up!!"
*sigh* "And what of the long and glorious history of Grey Knight Terminators - men in battle armor, standing against implacable horrors from the warp...?"
"With all due respect my lord, did you see the SIZE of that freaking Bloodthirster?! EFF that! I want armor for my armor!"
"Fine. Fine. I suppose you'll call it a 'Dreadknight' or somesuch?"
"Nah. I'm going to call it a 'Tactical Insertion Terminator Supplement' or maybe 'The Inquisition's Tactical Striker' or...
"I think I see where you are going with this, Captain."
"I know! 'Termintors In Tank Suits'!"
"That's enough Captain, I'll send the necessary paperwork to Mars..."

I see what you did there, Captain Stern.

Am I the only one on here that thinks alot of the rules wrote down on here so far, seem over powered? I think the only way they will be balanced is to make them into the 20s for a basic PAGK

VoidAngel wrote:"Nah. I'm going to call it a 'Tactical Insertion Terminator Supplement' or maybe 'The Inquisition's Tactical Striker' or... "I think I see where you are going with this, Captain." "That's enough Captain, I'll send the necessary paperwork to Mars..."

I'm going to report this to the "Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society." Time to break out the bazookoids, Red Dwarf fans...

When I approached someone at GW about this "Dreadknight" rumor he said he had also heard it. Now all we need is a picture of this new killer robot. Unfortunately, with the GW HQ now having departed Maryland after more than 20 years here, I don't get nearly the level of lucky sneak peeks I used to at times. But my Advance Ordered Stormraven arrived today. It's definitely going into my long delayed Grey Knights painting project.

Rules thread: AKA, Wishlisting for bored folks.

No worries, KC, it'll be over-the-top but more than likely balanced with the other 5th ed codexes.

Yea thats what Im afraid of. I remember when 5th first started out everyone was bitching how over powered Orks are. Funny enough, you can crush Orks with, ALL the 5th edition codices. Weird.

BrassScorpion wrote:

VoidAngel wrote:"Nah. I'm going to call it a 'Tactical Insertion Terminator Supplement' or maybe 'The Inquisition's Tactical Striker' or... "I think I see where you are going with this, Captain." "That's enough Captain, I'll send the necessary paperwork to Mars..."

I'm going to report this to the "Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society." Time to break out the bazookoids, Red Dwarf fans...

When I approached someone at GW about this "Dreadknight" rumor he said he had also heard it. Now all we need is a picture of this new killer robot. Unfortunately, with the GW HQ now having departed Maryland after more than 20 years here, I don't get nearly the level of lucky sneak peeks I used to at times. But my Advance Ordered Stormraven arrived today. It's definitely going into my long delayed Grey Knights painting project.

You mean someone at GW, who doesn't work directly in the Studio or any facet wherein he'd actually have seen the Codex, has heard the same rumours we have?

My lord! It's absurdity!

DarknessEternal wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I realise I'm not being very helpful, and I certainly don't do this out of spite (or even ego).

No, it's definitely ego. You're only doing it to draw attention to yourself.

You could keep your mouth shut, and no one would be the wiser for it, but you don't.

i get your point and i to find H.B.M.C post sometimes really childish but he let the monkey have his bannana.

@H.B.M.C i know something you dont know... i used caps lock too write your screen name

too bad about the knight titan

targetawg wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:Yeah, but wouldn't it be so much cooler with BLOODKNIGHTTITANFISTS? .

Now, let's not get crazy.

Right now, I'm looking forward to DreadKnights armed with KnightFists and KnightLances or KnightShields or KnightKnights.

Yeah.

You forgot those things it uses to spot vehicles during night fighting, I believe they're called Knight-lights

In game you must state "Alright, since it's night fighting on turn 1, im turning on my Knight-Lights"

Beautiful. I can't wait to see one of my opponents field a brand, new, shiny GK Rhino, because those Knight Lights are standard kit...

This dreadknight needs some frickin' laser beams on its head

Kirasu wrote:This dreadknight needs from frickin' laser beams on its head

No. That's for the Forgeworld Space Sharks Carchodons!

wow doctor evil : sharks with freaking lazers on there heads whahhahaha............

but i would love too see what GW makes of the dreadknight.

Anyway... To avoid my urge to further derail the thread...

I'd assume that GK "DreadKnights" would have Force Weapons with the exact same function as Librarian Dreads found in Codex Blood Angels. Or are these DreadKnights not a replacement for the standard Dreads in the codex. Thinking about it, DreadKnights being a replacement for standard Dreads seems pretty stupid...

It won't replace Dreads. That WOULD be stupid - especially from a business perspective and customer satisfaction perspective. Oh, wait - this is GW we're talking about.

New Confirmed Rumor: Dreadnaughts are out of codex Grey Knights!!!

VoidAngel wrote:It won't replace Dreads. That WOULD be stupid - especially from a business perspective and customer satisfaction perspective. Oh, wait - this is GW we're talking about.

New Confirmed Rumor: Dreadnaughts are out of codex Grey Knights!!!

Confirmed where...

as far as i know the only things confirmed is the release date and them getting the stormraven (confirmed by gw on first back of stormraven box for second)

I was being sarcastic. Generally, you can count on GW to make poor business decisions, most especially if they piss off customers. Therefore, something that would be both stupid business-wise, AND make people angry - is nearly assured.

They won't take out dreads. This thing will be a special piece of equipment to help mark the Chapter out as unique, like the Baal Predator does for Blood Angles.

Actually, Games Workshop can make SOME good business decisions, but rubbish customer-satisfaction-related decisions. They'd keep dreads as an option to allow you to buy more.

I would also recommend taking off the 'confirmed' rumour bit; this is the internet; someone will read it, believe it and then start mindlessly complaining and spawning more anti-gamesworkshop drivel.

Oh please - anyone that reads that and believes it (much less repeats it) deserves what they get.

I'm not 'anti-Games Workshop' per se. I LOVE their products. I've got a small country's GNP worth of their stuff...I just question their sanity when it comes to how they do things. I'm not alone in that. I wish them well - I just wish they'd find more intelligent ways of trying to grow, and grow the hobby. As an armchair CEO, I'd do things differently. So would you.

Not that what i have to say has anything to do with what's being discussed, and feel free to beat me up if it's been addressed, but i'm disappointed that GW is rumored to be including Stormravens in the GK codex. I mean, they just release them in the most recent BA codex, and now all of the sudden they're appearing in this one too? Next they'll just be saying "oh everyone can field them" with some flimsy reasoning behind it.

yes, i play BA's. can you tell?

Dakez wrote:Not that what i have to say has anything to do with what's being discussed, and feel free to beat me up if it's been addressed, but i'm disappointed that GW is rumored to be including Stormravens in the GK codex. I mean, they just release them in the most recent BA codex, and now all of the sudden they're appearing in this one too? Next they'll just be saying "oh everyone can field them" with some flimsy reasoning behind it.

yes, i play BA's. can you tell?

GK's have had access to Stormravens (in the fluff) since Stormravens were invented. Check your BA codex.

I'm sure they will come out and say that. Why wouldn't they want to sell as many kits as possible to the largest playing demographic?

pretre wrote:

Dakez wrote:Not that what i have to say has anything to do with what's being discussed, and feel free to beat me up if it's been addressed, but i'm disappointed that GW is rumored to be including Stormravens in the GK codex. I mean, they just release them in the most recent BA codex, and now all of the sudden they're appearing in this one too? Next they'll just be saying "oh everyone can field them" with some flimsy reasoning behind it.

yes, i play BA's. can you tell?

GK's have had access to Stormravens (in the fluff) since Stormravens were invented. Check your BA codex.

it's currently......mia......but i will. my apologies.

pretre wrote:

Dakez wrote:Not that what i have to say has anything to do with what's being discussed, and feel free to beat me up if it's been addressed, but i'm disappointed that GW is rumored to be including Stormravens in the GK codex. I mean, they just release them in the most recent BA codex, and now all of the sudden they're appearing in this one too? Next they'll just be saying "oh everyone can field them" with some flimsy reasoning behind it.

yes, i play BA's. can you tell?

GK's have had access to Stormravens (in the fluff) since Stormravens were invented. Check your BA codex.

Yup, fluff wise GK had them first.

Actually, I did have another thing: What will the GK's guest star abilty be for other chapters? Will they limit their use to something like "only when a daemon army is present" if you're running another chapter and want to include GK as allied units?

Dakez wrote:Actually, I did have another thing: What will the GK's guest star abilty be for other chapters? Will they limit their use to something like "only when a daemon army is present" if you're running another chapter and want to include GK as allied units?

GK Ally Rule Leak*:
"Not in MAH house" : Grey Knights may be used in any quantity for any reason with any other army at any time as long as it is an Apoc game or you have your opponent's consent.


* Not a leak and completely fake.


Seriously though, Allies are no more and will not be in the codex.

[quote=Daemon-Archon Ren

Why not make a skwelp account, false identity, prove your sorces and protect your image? Then everyone is happy, it certainly isn't about ego (how can one take credit behind a mask?) and you may be able to help your source out with some office politics (Make believe you are a co-worker of your source whom your source may not like, problem solved!).

Truth be told, we shouldn't need things like this, but hopefully GW will eventually learn the meaning of the Age of Aquarius and get with the program...

pretre wrote:

Dakez wrote:Actually, I did have another thing: What will the GK's guest star abilty be for other chapters? Will they limit their use to something like "only when a daemon army is present" if you're running another chapter and want to include GK as allied units?

GK Ally Rule Leak*:"Not in MAH house" : Grey Knights may be used in any quantity for any reason with any other army at any time as long as it is an Apoc game or you have your opponent's consent.


* Not a leak, but completely not factual.


Seriously though, Allies are no more and will not be in the codex.

Gotcha, that's pretty helpful! thank you!

VoidAngel wrote:I'm sure they will come out and say that. Why wouldn't they want to sell as many kits as possible to the largest playing demographic?

I think GW believes they have a winner with the SR and it will get players to start new armies.

So they won't do it right away because they would rather have Ultramarine players run out and start a new GK or BA army than have them add one more unit to their existing armies.

Of course I still look at the SR and laugh.

Or cry.

Mad4Minis wrote:


XXX hits the internet and GW knows exactly who to go to. Or at least what branch/department leaked the info.

There's XXX on the internet?!


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Kid_Kyoto wrote:

VoidAngel wrote:I'm sure they will come out and say that. Why wouldn't they want to sell as many kits as possible to the largest playing demographic?

I think GW believes they have a winner with the SR and it will get players to start new armies.

So they won't do it right away because they would rather have Ultramarine players run out and start a new GK or BA army than have them add one more unit to their existing armies.

Of course I still look at the SR and laugh.

Or cry.

Who actually starts a new Space Marine army?

"Hi, this week, these blue power armored guys are Blood Angles!"
"Okey dokey - game on!"

VoidAngel wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:


XXX hits the internet and GW knows exactly who to go to. Or at least what branch/department leaked the info.

There's XXX on the internet?!

I got some toasters you might want to see.....

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I think GW believes they have a winner with the SR and it will get players to start new armies.

So they won't do it right away because they would rather have Ultramarine players run out and start a new GK or BA army than have them add one more unit to their existing armies.

I am amazed at the amount of malice, guile, etc that people attribute to GW. I just don't think the situation is ever as complicated or interesting as people make it out to be.

pretre wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I think GW believes they have a winner with the SR and it will get players to start new armies.

So they won't do it right away because they would rather have Ultramarine players run out and start a new GK or BA army than have them add one more unit to their existing armies.

I am amazed at the amount of malice, guile, etc that people attribute to GW. I just don't think the situation is ever as complicated or interesting as people make it out to be.

pretre wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I think GW believes they have a winner with the SR and it will get players to start new armies.

So they won't do it right away because they would rather have Ultramarine players run out and start a new GK or BA army than have them add one more unit to their existing armies.

I am amazed at the amount of malice, guile, etc that people attribute to GW. I just don't think the situation is ever as complicated or interesting as people make it out to be.

Is there another explanation for some of the boneheaded things they do?

VoidAngel wrote:
Is there another explanation for some of the boneheaded things they do?

Hanlon's Razor? Or the fact that they are human beings?

The internet has created a culture of demonization for anyone who causes someone the slightest bit of discomfort or does something you don't agree with or like. It is kind of sad. :(

While stupidity definitely plays a part, I don't think that's an EXCUSE!

As I said, I love GWs games, and they have the finest minis out there bar none (overall). But they often seem out of touch with what customers want, how businesses run and grow, they're Anglocentric as all get out, (understandable...but not when it's money out the window) and seem to treat customers with disdain or disregard on a regularish basis. That doesn't make them demons, it makes them poor business people.
1) There are more American players than there are people in England. Recognize that maybe you should gear your product releases with that in mind. Maybe.
2) People in the U.S. play in independent stores and their friend's game rooms - not GW stores.
3) The MORE people selling your products - the better! Release the stranglehold on pricing and distribution outlets. Their treatment of independent retailers over the years is one of my biggest objections.
4) a $30 kit that 100,000 people buy is more money in your pocket than a $70 kit 10000 people buy.
It's not that they're evil - I'm not saying that. It's that for a company their size and with such a fanatical following (myself included) - I have a hard time understanding why they do some of the things they do.
But I didn't want to turn this into a bash GW thread. Really. I do love their games.

The Dreadknight's DCCW-analogue is called Knight Night Night, because it makes everything he fights go night night.

VoidAngel wrote:While stupidity definitely plays a part, I don't think that's an EXCUSE!
But I didn't want to turn this into a bash GW thread. Really. I do love their games.

To avoid this continuing, I'll just say I think you're over-simplifying the situation and I disagree.


Anyways, back to horrible puns and absolutely no GK rumors!

VoidAngel wrote:
It's not that they're evil - I'm not saying that. It's that for a company their size and with such a fanatical following (myself included) - I have a hard time understanding why they do some of the things they do.

It's cultural.

British marketing is much more low-key than American marketing.

Do I smell a Knight-Fighting rule coming up?

DarknessEternal wrote:

VoidAngel wrote:
It's not that they're evil - I'm not saying that. It's that for a company their size and with such a fanatical following (myself included) - I have a hard time understanding why they do some of the things they do.

It's cultural.

British marketing is much more low-key than American marketing.

Historically, perhaps, but now Britain is just as plastered in advertising as the US.

Jaon wrote:Do I smell a Knight-Fighting rule coming up?

/Head desk


I can't believe you said that.

Lord Harrab wrote:

Jaon wrote:Do I smell a Knight-Fighting rule coming up?

/Head desk


I can't believe you said that.

You sound like my ex

I'd assume that GK "DreadKnights" would have Force Weapons with the exact same function as Librarian Dreads found in Codex Blood Angels. Or are these DreadKnights not a replacement for the standard Dreads in the codex. Thinking about it, DreadKnights being a replacement for standard Dreads seems pretty stupid...

I expect it to be either incredibly shooty or very good in cc so we get at least something bigger then an infantry model that doesnt die the second a monstrous creature looks at it.

/Head desk


I can't believe you said that.

I said it first so believe it

When it has as many bad jokes as it now does, well, this thread is nearing the end...

VoidAngel wrote:While stupidity definitely plays a part, I don't think that's an EXCUSE!

3) The MORE people selling your products - the better! Release the stranglehold on pricing and distribution outlets. Their treatment of independent retailers over the years is one of my biggest objections.
4) a $30 kit that 100,000 people buy is more money in your pocket than a $70 kit 10000 people buy.
It's not that they're evil - I'm not saying that. It's that for a company their size and with such a fanatical following (myself included) - I have a hard time understanding why they do some of the things they do.
But I didn't want to turn this into a bash GW thread. Really. I do love their games.

Don't really want to start a long debate, or short one, but as someone that actually has been a retailer for 25 years, and carrying GW that long, I'm not exaggerating when I say I've been given a huge amount of support from GW, and far, far more than any other Game Manufacturer. Free racking alone is thousands of dollars, and available to any retailer. The "GW treats independents poorly" is a bit overstated, especially when what i get from most manufacturers is a free poster.

And you're math could easily be wrong. Think profit, not gross. If, for example, you make 0 on that 30.00 kit, then you make 0 on 100,000 of them. Without knowing profit margins on what they sell, and you also have to factor in selling to distributors and LGS at wholesale, it's hard to know. Could they sell for less? Sure. Would it make more money for them? They might know, but we don't.

Back to Grey Knights. One of the guys at my shop claimed in his facebook page to have seen the Codex. Nearly impossible here in the states unless it was an advance copy at a GW store. Anyone know if GW has sent them out yet, or is the little spanker pulling my leg?


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Alpharius wrote:When it has as many bad jokes as it now does, well, this thread is nearing the end...

Time to call it a Knight then.

Alpharius wrote:When it has as many bad jokes as it now does, well, this thread is nearing the end...

Oh, don't write it off so cavalierly!

mikhaila wrote:Time to call it a Knight then.

HA!

Now that was a good one.

Alpharius wrote:When it has as many bad jokes as it now does, well, this thread is nearing the end...

We're only on page 35 and we've found out Robin "0-3 FOC Makes It Cool" Cruddance didn't write the dex. I say we keep it open until HBMC says Kelly wrote it. Even if he has to lie.

Kelly wrote it. I'm lying.


Good enough?

Time to shut this one down me thinks.
Better to commence again when some actual new stuff is presented.

I'm surprised we haven't had rumours yet about Grey Knights riding giant cyberhorses, called Thunderhorse Cavalry.

I'm waiting for the Rumors that the Grey Knights get 0-1 squads of inducted lesser daemons as an Elite choice. Knightcrushers and Knightletters

Gah...information the Gk codex is being so mysterious!! Every day GW updates their page with more boring bits on the StormRaven and Blood angels, and I sift through it for any glimmer of Grey Knights, but alas, it appears that we must wait some time before even word of it comes out.

At least this thread entertains with rumors and horrid puns. One question though, relating Daemonhunters/Witchunters in general, is it OK to have induct an Inquisitor/Grey Knights if you possess the codex? Not sure if GW stated this or not.

mikhaila wrote:
Back to Grey Knights. One of the guys at my shop claimed in his facebook page to have seen the Codex. Nearly impossible here in the states unless it was an advance copy at a GW store. Anyone know if GW has sent them out yet, or is the little spanker pulling my leg?

I'd suspect the latter, but it's not impossible. A few copies are out and about, apparently.

There is a whisper going around about (another) leaked version doing the rounds, but I'm not convinced by hat and wouldn't be too surprised if it turns out to be another fandex type fiasco like we had with the BA.

Nausadun wrote:One question though, relating Daemonhunters/Witchunters in general, is it OK to have induct an Inquisitor/Grey Knights if you possess the codex? Not sure if GW stated this or not.

The PDFs don't overrule the full books, so you can still use Allies if you've got the rules for it.

If the codex is printed, then I don't see why they don't tell us more. It's not as if (if the codex is printed) they're going to change anything based on our reaction. The books are off the presses, and it's just a matter of waiting for all the financial and logistical moons to align before releasing them.

I mean, do you know *anyone* that gets their hands on some pirated version of a GW book - and then doesn't buy the real one to play with when it comes out? I don't. I mean, I dislike the whole practice in general, but GW seems to have little to worry about on that end.

So...throw us a bone. It's not going to hurt anything.

AlexHolker wrote:

Nausadun wrote:One question though, relating Daemonhunters/Witchunters in general, is it OK to have induct an Inquisitor/Grey Knights if you possess the codex? Not sure if GW stated this or not.

The PDFs don't overrule the full books, so you can still use Allies if you've got the rules for it.

Once Codex: GK is released though, you'll only be able to use the Witch Hunters for your Allies.
But until then you're all good if you have the book.

TBD wrote:I'm surprised we haven't had rumours yet about Grey Knights riding giant cyberhorses, called Thunderhorse Cavalry.

How about a selfthinking robotrhino, who can talk and do stuff, and who has a drunk german grey knight riding it.
We will call it knight rider and it will sell for millions.

Vhalyar wrote:Once Codex: GK is released though, you'll only be able to use the Witch Hunters for your Allies.
But until then you're all good if you have the book.

That is quite the assumption, especailly with GW loving their Online Newsletter/White Dwarf approach, don't be surprised if they release a "Witch Hunters FAQ V1.1" that states something along the lines of "The Allies rules refer to rules no longer in play" or something along those lines...

I am however, extremely interested in any info from these "leaked" or "store copy" codexes out there!

is inb4thelock appropriate?

I personally think for those who want updated rumours on GK, there is no better place than the first page of this thread. And for everything else in the universe, there is the other 35 pages

Well, its one O'clock at knight here in Australia, knighty knight everyone, dont let the daemons bite!

This is true, the first page is gold, the rest is little more than knightsoil.

Although it could be worse than the Dreadknight, or even Knightrider. We could have some infiltrating terminator Grey Knight clad in experimental black Aegis Armor known as the Dark Knight.

Gitzbitah wrote:This is true, the first page is gold, the rest is little more than knightsoil.

Although it could be worse than the Dreadknight, or even Knightrider. We could have some infiltrating terminator Grey Knight clad in experimental black Aegis Armor known as the Dark Knight.

That would be pure awesome.

And he could have some captured Necron technology that give him a special rule called, "The Dark Knight Returns."

reds8n wrote:

mikhaila wrote:
Back to Grey Knights. One of the guys at my shop claimed in his facebook page to have seen the Codex. Nearly impossible here in the states unless it was an advance copy at a GW store. Anyone know if GW has sent them out yet, or is the little spanker pulling my leg?

I'd suspect the latter, but it's not impossible. A few copies are out and about, apparently.

There is a whisper going around about (another) leaked version doing the rounds, but I'm not convinced by hat and wouldn't be too surprised if it turns out to be another fandex type fiasco like we had with the BA.

Hmm, off to the RapidShare Mobile!

I may date myself with this one, but are you sure his night fighting rules wouldn't be "Knight Moves" ? He would already have a theme song then.

TBD wrote:I'm surprised we haven't had rumours yet about Grey Knights riding giant cyberhorses, called Thunderhorse Cavalry.

no no no there called Knightmares cause that is what they give your opponent
Knightmares have a flyer base and instand kill any model that isnt in base to base contact with there mommy
induceted Rough riders anyone. or maybe team them with space wolfs and get both rider version.

fatty wrote:

TBD wrote:I'm surprised we haven't had rumours yet about Grey Knights riding giant cyberhorses, called Thunderhorse Cavalry.

no no no there called Knightmares cause that is what they give your opponent
Knightmares have a flyer base and instand kill any model that isnt in base to base contact with there mommy
induceted Rough riders anyone. or maybe team them with space wolfs and get both rider version.

Well, since the Prospero Burns fluff...maybe they'll just skip the middle man/allegory and just have Grey Knights riding on other Grey Knights. Piggyback.

meet the spartans they have a scene like that

I'm sure you've all seen it before, but it seemed apropos.