changemod wrote:
The gimmick of the monolith is it being slow and near-invulnerable. It's only the first of those right now, and nearly any army being able to pop it in one turn is what makes it such a joke.

90% sure the original monolith was Melta immune anyhow.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Give him a break, guys. He's probably new so doesn't know you're supposed to focus on/wipe the entire unit/force them to retreat to nullify RP.

Hardly "new", the thing is that until you overkill a Necron unit it's still potentially a threat . If you shoot at 5 Hammernators and kill 4 of them, the last one can probably be safely ignored, as he's probably not a threat. Meanwhile, leaving even a single Necron Warrior standing from a unit could potentially mean that you've barely dented the firepower, forcing you to either spend additional, overkilling firepower to kill one Warrior or to let it live and risk having a threat left on the board.

In a sense, it's Schrödinger's Necron; you don't know how dangerous it is until you've checked the results of the reanimation protocols roll. You also only ever need to pass one roll, which I suppose is balanced out by it getting to roll if the unit is wiped.

You'll note that I'm not passive-aggressively attacking your credibility, so I'd very much prefer if you showed me the same courtesy.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
I understand how resurrection protocols are funny in cases and fit the army but maybe a rule like
"damage limitation-there is limit to how far a necron can be damaged to repair only to find that doing so cripples it more
as of such any necron model may only use resurrection protocols twice."
or
"Lasting damage- as damage in combat builds up necrons find it harder and harder to repair damage before they phase out
after the first time a model resurrects on a 5+ after that it does so on a 6+.

I only say this because it can get really annoying in a game when some nubey player, new to the hobby, no grasp of tactics. Is wining because I have to kill his squads three times before they stay dead.
Just my opinion but here is imbalances then there is invincible units.

 vipoid wrote:
I really hope not.

 krodarklorr wrote:
So, guys, Necron leaks. The Codex is less than 2 weeks away, and it appears as though they're keeping the same general feel to the army, yet making it a bit more fluffy in my opinion. What do you guys think?

Alcibiades wrote:
Triarch Praetorians perform mathematically very close to Wraiths in most circumstances -- the problem is not them "sucking" but in Wraiths being slightly superior and peforming the same role.

Kangodo wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
So, guys, Necron leaks. The Codex is less than 2 weeks away, and it appears as though they're keeping the same general feel to the army, yet making it a bit more fluffy in my opinion. What do you guys think?

I like the information so far.
But a lot of it requires some confirmation.

Alcibiades wrote:
Triarch Praetorians perform mathematically very close to Wraiths in most circumstances -- the problem is not them "sucking" but in Wraiths being slightly superior and peforming the same role.

Slightly?
Pointcost, etc:
+Wraiths are 12.5% cheaper
-Slot doesn't matter, since we hardly fill either of them at the moment.

Toughness:
-Wraiths have a toughness less.
-Praetorians have RP.
+Wraiths have a 3++
+Wraiths have two wounds

Attack:
+Wraiths have +1S
+Wraiths have 2 attacks more (1 more because Praetorians have a pistol)
-Praetorians have a shooting attack at S6
-Praetorians have Entropic Strike

It's the toughness per point of Wraiths that put them really ahead of Praetorians at the moment.