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BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 03:28:50


Post by: rabidaskal


Thank you very much for that summary!

Clan Heavy Star in wave 1 makes me happy, since I plan to limit myself to Wave 1 product only. Mostly because . . . .

Those shipping estimates are (as expected) heavy on the pocket for Asia / ROW. I dont think I can wing multiple wave shipping fees, will have to wait for retail for the rest of the goodies. Maybe by then I would have painted even half of Wave 1 lol.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 03:29:54


Post by: BrianDavion


kinda annoying I have to pay canadian shipping despite being literally an hour away from Seattle but eh


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 04:18:03


Post by: H.B.M.C.




From their FB.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 04:22:45


Post by: BrianDavion


URBIE!


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 04:44:10


Post by: H.B.M.C.


$2 Million has been reached!!!

UrbanMechs for everyone!!

$6,216.58 'til 2m!


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 06:13:17


Post by: Miguelsan


All hail the Uber-Urbie!

M.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 06:13:58


Post by: Phobos


I'm sure this has been answered but please indulge me.

If I just back at a $1 will I be able to get everything at the current KS prices via pledge manager?

Is there anything I won't get by doing so?

Thanks much!


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 06:29:02


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Pledges get you certain benefits (dice, merch packs, etc.), and a bunch of included 'Mechs.

Pledging $1 means you can still add pretty much anything, but there's no bundling of items. You just have to buy everything straight.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 06:42:07


Post by: BrianDavion




BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 16:18:17


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


BrianDavion wrote:
kinda annoying I have to pay canadian shipping despite being literally an hour away from Seattle but eh


Get someone from Seattle to smuggle it up with them.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 19:04:36


Post by: ScarletRose


Shipping estimates are up - and I'm out. $23 to ship a box in the US? I'll wait and pick things up retail/online discount with much less shipping cost.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 19:06:06


Post by: BrianDavion


 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
kinda annoying I have to pay canadian shipping despite being literally an hour away from Seattle but eh


Get someone from Seattle to smuggle it up with them.


Sadly I've no canidates for that. it's not a big deal TBH, it just amuses me given that CGL is based in seattle.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 19:07:36


Post by: mumsnarf


Does anyone know what is included in Wave 1? I am not seeing it on the KS page.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 19:20:40


Post by: Alpharius Walks


Core box, swag and the first couple unlocked lances. From what I recall of past commentary it is deliberately vague in case they go faster than planned and can deliver more in Wave 1 than scheduled.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 19:32:00


Post by: Albertorius


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Pledges get you certain benefits (dice, merch packs, etc.), and a bunch of included 'Mechs.

Pledging $1 means you can still add pretty much anything, but there's no bundling of items. You just have to buy everything straight.

I was under the impression that you could upgrade your pledge level on the pledge manager if you so chose instead of just adding stuff...


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 19:33:24


Post by: mumsnarf


Alpharius Walks wrote:
Core box, swag and the first couple unlocked lances. From what I recall of past commentary it is deliberately vague in case they go faster than planned and can deliver more in Wave 1 than scheduled.


Dang, I pledged at $95 and wanted the Clan Firestar pack. Not sure I am willing to spend $40 shipping on this.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 19:51:23


Post by: TalonZahn


 ScarletRose wrote:
Shipping estimates are up - and I'm out. $23 to ship a box in the US? I'll wait and pick things up retail/online discount with much less shipping cost.


$23 to ship a bunch of stuff, that's already in boxes, in another larger box..... is nothing.

It's not just a weight thing, those mech packs, maps, games, and salvage boxes are in the same packages they come in on the store shelf and have to fit in a larger box. So it's weight and dimensions that will cost.

IMHO, if that $23 is the break point for you, then I'm going all High and Mighty and saying maybe KS isn't a good place for you to spend your money.



BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 20:02:23


Post by: Nostromodamus


 ScarletRose wrote:
Shipping estimates are up - and I'm out. $23 to ship a box in the US? I'll wait and pick things up retail/online discount with much less shipping cost.


Me too. I’m not paying over $60 shipping when I can just wait for it to hit Mini Market at 20% off with free shipping


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 20:50:31


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


This is catalyst we're talking about, so whether they can sustain making enough for stores to get them in is something worth wondering about,

KS money should help but it wouldn't surprise me if they end up finding they've got the tools made, but don't have much more free capital to pay to use them than they have now, but far more things to spread it over,

I hope i'm wrong and they can order enough at a time to satisfy a good part of the demand, but history suggests not


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 20:53:02


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


BrianDavion wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
kinda annoying I have to pay canadian shipping despite being literally an hour away from Seattle but eh


Get someone from Seattle to smuggle it up with them.


Sadly I've no canidates for that. it's not a big deal TBH, it just amuses me given that CGL is based in seattle.


Fair.

I wonder if I could get them to let me just drive over and pick mine up.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 21:53:44


Post by: TalonZahn


CGL also just confirmed in update 27, in response to me, that any Sourcebooks added in the PM to your Pledge, will *NOT* increase the S&H.

So there, more value.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 21:56:32


Post by: Ghaz




2.5M STRETCH GOAL: BRAGGING RIGHTS!

You’ve smashed through every Stretch Goal we’ve posted, like battlefield targets knocked-out as quickly as you find them. At this stage we’re simply offering the opportunity for all of us to throw-down for bragging rights for the game and universe we all love.

$2,500,000. If we reach this Stretch Goal, the BattleTech: Clan Invasion will move into the top 50 most-funded in the Games Category, as well as the top 100 most-funded Kickstarter projects…ever!

To thank you in a big way for achieving such phenomenal bragging rights, we’ll produce the Legendary MechWarriors Pack. These will be a unique pose and/or variant.This pack will also include Pilot Cards for these legendary characters.

Legendary MechWarriors Pack ($25 Add-On)

Dire Wolf Widowmaker (Natasha Kerensky)

Timber Wolf Pryde (Aidan Pryde)

Archer (Morgan Kell)

Marauder (Grayson Death Carlyle)

All backers at STAR COMMANDER level and above will get a free Legendary Salvage Box that will include one of these ’Mechs. This will be given out on a per-pledge basis, so multiple pledge levels at STAR COMMANDER and above means multiple Legendary Salvage Boxes. COMSTAR, WARRIOR and RISTAR backers who ordered physical product equal to a STAR COMMANDER pledge ($50) will also get a free Legendary Salvage Box, but only at 1 free per backer.

Finally, this Legendary MechWarriors Pack will not appear on store shelves, but will instead be for backers, cons, our online store, and other promotional opportunities.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 22:02:24


Post by: BrianDavion


Natasha should be in a warhammer damnit :(


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 22:09:28


Post by: Ghaz


BrianDavion wrote:
Natasha should be in a warhammer damnit :(

No she shouldn't, not for the Operation REVIVAL anyway. And I see that Pryde is ready for Tukayyid since he's in a Timber Wolf and not a Summoner.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/16 23:55:04


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I added the BMech Manual. If they're going to pay shipping for me on a big heavy book, then good. Shipping to Oz isn't great, about AUD$100, but given that this is with an Oz-friendly shipping hub I dread to think what it would have been without one.

 ScarletRose wrote:
Shipping estimates are up - and I'm out. $23 to ship a box in the US? I'll wait and pick things up retail/online discount with much less shipping cost.
How much were you pledging? At what level?



BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/17 00:09:14


Post by: Ghaz


Also of note...

AMA

We livestreamed an AMA last night, which has since been viewed over 1,600 times! We plan on running a new AMA, tomorrow night, 8/17/2019 at 6pm to 8pm PST, coinciding with the last two hours of the Kickstarter!

Here's your link!

As before, we’re going to be streaming this from Youtube so all you will need to chat with us is a Google account. Will make sure we also have the video running live while we are doing it on the Front Page of the campaign. And we will leave the video up on youtube for those of you who are not able to attend.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/17 05:35:53


Post by: Miguelsan


I'm torn between doubling up the 1st two IS lance packs or add a set of IS retaliation force to my pledge. Decisions, decisions.

M.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/17 06:05:27


Post by: ScarletRose


 TalonZahn wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:
Shipping estimates are up - and I'm out. $23 to ship a box in the US? I'll wait and pick things up retail/online discount with much less shipping cost.


$23 to ship a bunch of stuff, that's already in boxes, in another larger box..... is nothing.

It's not just a weight thing, those mech packs, maps, games, and salvage boxes are in the same packages they come in on the store shelf and have to fit in a larger box. So it's weight and dimensions that will cost.

IMHO, if that $23 is the break point for you, then I'm going all High and Mighty and saying maybe KS isn't a good place for you to spend your money.



Meh, you can take whatever attitude you want, paying close to an additional 30% the price of what I want in shipping is, in my opinion, too much. Especially if it's shipped domestically.

And you're right this particular KS isn't where I'm spending my money. I might drop the $130 I saved into that Desert of the Dead KS or just get the Clone Wars starter for Legion - either option is going to cost me much less in shipping.

But then I guess only us poor folk care about getting gouged.



BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/17 06:56:27


Post by: Albertorius


Answering myself and putting the info here, just in case:
Albertorius wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Pledges get you certain benefits (dice, merch packs, etc.), and a bunch of included 'Mechs.

Pledging $1 means you can still add pretty much anything, but there's no bundling of items. You just have to buy everything straight.

I was under the impression that you could upgrade your pledge level on the pledge manager if you so chose instead of just adding stuff...


Phobos wrote:I'm sure this has been answered but please indulge me.

If I just back at a $1 will I be able to get everything at the current KS prices via pledge manager?

Is there anything I won't get by doing so?

Thanks much!


Update #19 wrote:Q: Can I increase my Pledge Level? Can I purchase more add-ons after the campaign ends?

A: Yes, to both! The CrowdOx system allows you to increase your pledge amount during the post-campaign setting, as well as adjust your backer reward level and add-ons.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/17 08:38:03


Post by: Mr Morden


BrianDavion wrote:
Natasha should be in a warhammer damnit :(


Wrong era - but yeah


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/17 08:57:59


Post by: SeanDrake


“What about plastic kits with the ‘mechs on sprues (non-assembled)
Focus is miniatures for people to play. IWM is the place for assembly ‘Mechs.“

That makes me sad, so because CGL cannot or will not buyout IWM contract. We are forever stuck with misshapen lumps of plastic from Catalyst or misshapen lumps of lead from iron.

Given the glacier like improvements in quality in both my great grand kids may get some mechs that are made to 2019 standard in 2050ish


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/17 12:31:56


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I just got the two newer boxes. The idea that they are "misshapen lumps of plastic" is so far removed from reality that it's hardly worth commenting on.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/17 17:36:16


Post by: AndrewGPaul


If previous comments in this thread are correct, there’s no contract for Catalyst to buy out; Iron Wind Metals have the perpetual licence to make Battletech miniatures and it appears it’s exclusive.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/17 18:18:13


Post by: Sacredroach


Actually, the new mechs (I just picked up the new Catalyst AGOAC box set) are pretty great.

And as a miniature junkie, they are plenty detailed should I ever actually choose to paint them. An unlikely prospect given my every growing pile of plastic, resin and metal).


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/17 21:59:40


Post by: niall78


Last few hours now. Be nice to break the $2.5 million mark.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/17 23:36:51


Post by: BrianDavion


 AndrewGPaul wrote:
If previous comments in this thread are correct, there’s no contract for Catalyst to buy out; Iron Wind Metals have the perpetual licence to make Battletech miniatures and it appears it’s exclusive.


FASA made a lot of idiotic decisions that way.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/17 23:40:46


Post by: jmw23


I'm going to pass, since I don't care for the Clans, and I still haven't painted my minis from the first box set. That said, these are nice minis. They are made of a resin/plastic blend that is a bit of a pain to clean mold lines from, but other than that they look great.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/17 23:59:45


Post by: Ghaz


BrianDavion wrote:
 AndrewGPaul wrote:
If previous comments in this thread are correct, there’s no contract for Catalyst to buy out; Iron Wind Metals have the perpetual licence to make Battletech miniatures and it appears it’s exclusive.


FASA made a lot of idiotic decisions that way.

The history of Ral Partha is interesting as well, like how FASA owned Ral Partha between 1998 and 2001...

http://www.purplepawn.com/2010/03/the-convoluted-story-of-iron-wind-metals-ral-partha-and-battletech-miniatures/

$2.5 MILLION GOAL REACHED! with 2 hours and 41 minutes left in the Kickstarter.



BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 00:51:49


Post by: BrianDavion


yeah Ral Partha's history is pretty complex. apparently they where the citidel sub contracter in NA back in the day, so some of the old 90s WFB and 40K stuff might even be ral partha


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 01:31:42


Post by: Hordini


I'm in for the Star Captain level. Glad to see it hit the $2.5 million mark. I'm pretty excited for this and I'll probably throw in a few add-ons as well, once the pledge manager goes live.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 02:12:49


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Didn't think we'd hit $2.5m, given we were over $200k away before I went to bed. Man did it jump up!


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 02:24:35


Post by: BrianDavion


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Didn't think we'd hit $2.5m, given we were over $200k away before I went to bed. Man did it jump up!


the battletech fanbase isn't as big as some games out there (such as 40k) but it's passionate.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 02:30:56


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Can the Legendary Mechwarrior box be taken as a pledge reward?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 02:31:12


Post by: Ghaz


BrianDavion wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Didn't think we'd hit $2.5m, given we were over $200k away before I went to bed. Man did it jump up!


the battletech fanbase isn't as big as some games out there (such as 40k) but it's passionate.

And some deep pockets. Half an hour to go and it's sitting at $2.57 million


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 02:52:01


Post by: H.B.M.C.


8 minutes to go!

Literal seconds count down.

Minute left!!!


It's over!

Final tally: $2,585,506.54


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 03:00:22


Post by: Ghaz


Final total of $2,585,506.00


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 04:13:05


Post by: Phobos


I threw in for $30. I'll see what I decide to do in the pledge manager next month.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 04:54:53


Post by: Alpharius Walks


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Can the Legendary Mechwarrior box be taken as a pledge reward?


Add-on only unless they change it later, which I kind of doubt but you never know.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 09:03:53


Post by: niall78


Great to see life in the old dog yet.

Probably one of the most tactically deep games still on the market. A hugely rewarding experience for both competitive and roleplay or campaign players.

Hopefully modern minis will see the playerbase glow a little bit again.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 10:03:30


Post by: H.B.M.C.


That was an interesting thing from the first AMA; every time Catalyst puts out a plastic mini their metal mini sales go up.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 10:23:35


Post by: niall78


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That was an interesting thing from the first AMA; every time Catalyst puts out a plastic mini their metal mini sales go up.


Probably as simple as the plastics bringing in fresh blood.

The Battletech universe is expansive. Most of the cannon mechs, tanks, vehicles, battle armour, infantry, VTOLs, aero, aerospace, will never be made in plastic. Hence many new players jumping on-board with plastic will expand their forces with metal minis at some stage.



BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 10:32:57


Post by: BrianDavion


it's also possiable some people didn't realize until now that Battletech was still a thing. a lotta people still think it died with FASA.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 10:57:20


Post by: niall78


BrianDavion wrote:
it's also possiable some people didn't realize until now that Battletech was still a thing. a lotta people still think it died with FASA.


I'd agree with that. CGL, while saving the game, never had the money to properly support the game.

The absolute mess that is BT licensing also doesn't help things much. Digital rights gone - not just a problem tying in very successful games with the physical game but the ability to develop digital tools to make the physical game less player intensive. Rights to produce minis a grey area - I think they can only do mechs in plastic if they come in packs - Iron wind Metals owns the rest of the rights.

Not having quality minis with the new starter box releases has been a major problem over the last decade. Also not being able to maintain those starter boxes with reprints an even greater problem. Non-US distribution isn't good either. Ordering from CGL themselves can incur shipping costs higher than cost of product.

I realise I'm making CGL sound like a disaster zone. But they've done a great job saving and running the universe this last twenty years. The product quality over the years barring the boxset minis is amazing. Hopefully this Kickstarter gives them the financial base to expand the product line heavily into quality minis and keep their core products in print.

It's certainly one of the most exciting times in Battletech tabletop history for the last thirty-five years.





BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 10:59:03


Post by: balmong7


niall78 wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That was an interesting thing from the first AMA; every time Catalyst puts out a plastic mini their metal mini sales go up.


Probably as simple as the plastics bringing in fresh blood.

The Battletech universe is expansive. Most of the cannon mechs, tanks, vehicles, battle armour, infantry, VTOLs, aero, aerospace, will never be made in plastic. Hence many new players jumping on-board with plastic will expand their forces with metal minis at some stage.



If I ever get real into Battletech where I'm buying more than just mechs. You can bet I will be buying the infantry, and other vehicle minis to supplement my forces.

In other news, I'm looking forward to the painting guides that are supposedly included so I can put a plan together for getting my minis painted quickly and efficiently.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 12:01:24


Post by: Miguelsan


Not only the KS ended up in a record but also after it did so I found this on my way home.

https://www.goodsmile.info/en/product/7954/COMBAT+ARMORS+MAX15+1+72nd+Scale+Abitate+F35C+Blizzard+Gunner.html

I already had one, now I'm one step closer to a full lance.

M.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 14:19:38


Post by: Sacredroach


Those are 1/72 scale, but GSM is releasing ALL of the of Dougram models now. I wish they would do the same with Crusher Joe...


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 14:26:56


Post by: Chillreaper


niall78 wrote:


The absolute mess that is BT licensing also doesn't help things much. Digital rights gone - not just a problem tying in very successful games with the physical game but the ability to develop digital tools to make the physical game less player intensive. Rights to produce minis a grey area - I think they can only do mechs in plastic if they come in packs - Iron wind Metals owns the rest of the rights.





I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that CGL might have one of those weird things going where they can't release minis.

Unless...

It's a component in a game box.

So, releasing starter boxed sets with rules and stuff is fine. Expansion packs of minis would be a no go, unless it's part of a game, which is why all the Alpha Strike Lance packs had cards in them and all of the Lance/Star packs in the KS have pilot cards with them.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 17:18:55


Post by: Eumerin


BrianDavion wrote:
 AndrewGPaul wrote:
If previous comments in this thread are correct, there’s no contract for Catalyst to buy out; Iron Wind Metals have the perpetual licence to make Battletech miniatures and it appears it’s exclusive.


FASA made a lot of idiotic decisions that way.


I wouldn't call it idiotic. It used to be that licensing wasn't seen the way that it is now. There are a couple of classic examples of this. The first is the Star Trek license used to make the game Star Fleet Battles. Much to Paramount's chagrin, the license has no expiration date. Another example - and one that most Battletech fans are at least nominally aware of - is the license that Harmony Gold managed to acquire for Macross.

In short, FASA was likely merely going with the times when it issued that license.


There is one thing to consider -

If CGL does well with its plastic miniatures line, it might spur IWM to overhaul its own line-up.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 22:11:47


Post by: Miguelsan


 Sacredroach wrote:
Those are 1/72 scale, but GSM is releasing ALL of the of Dougram models now. I wish they would do the same with Crusher Joe...


I saw the Minerva next the Blizzard Gunner so the Crusher Joe kits might be released soon.

M.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 23:25:43


Post by: jedi76


Decided to get into my first Kickstarter with this. Got the base game from the flgs and love the new plastic mechs. Already started painting them in house Steiner colors. The boys favorite colors! Gonna do some up as wolfs dragoons too I'm thinking. Hopefully catalyst has everything under control and we get reinforcements next year! Does anyone have any experience with good BattleTech decals?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/18 23:27:33


Post by: Ghaz


 jedi76 wrote:
Decided to get into my first Kickstarter with this. Got the base game from the flgs and love the new plastic mechs. Already started painting them in house Steiner colors. The boys favorite colors! Gonna do some up as wolfs dragoons too I'm thinking. Hopefully catalyst has everything under control and we get reinforcements next year! Does anyone have any experience with good BattleTech decals?

http://www.fightingpirannhagraphics.com/


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/19 00:13:35


Post by: BrianDavion


Eumerin wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 AndrewGPaul wrote:
If previous comments in this thread are correct, there’s no contract for Catalyst to buy out; Iron Wind Metals have the perpetual licence to make Battletech miniatures and it appears it’s exclusive.


FASA made a lot of idiotic decisions that way.


I wouldn't call it idiotic. It used to be that licensing wasn't seen the way that it is now. There are a couple of classic examples of this. The first is the Star Trek license used to make the game Star Fleet Battles. Much to Paramount's chagrin, the license has no expiration date. Another example - and one that most Battletech fans are at least nominally aware of - is the license that Harmony Gold managed to acquire for Macross.

In short, FASA was likely merely going with the times when it issued that license.


There is one thing to consider -

If CGL does well with its plastic miniatures line, it might spur IWM to overhaul its own line-up.


FASA sold the video game rights to Microsoft in the late 90s. well after the sucess of MW2, MW3 etc. they knew what they had and had already made lisencing deals for shorter terms with other companies. no what happened was in the l;ate 90s FASA wasn't in the best situation finanically so they made a lot of "need cash now!" decisions that where poor in the long run


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/21 04:35:04


Post by: H.B.M.C.


New design update:

Nova Cat:
Spoiler:
To be honest the Nova Cat doesn't need that much of a redesign, so the differences you see here are minor. Fun Fact: The Wardens Clan sourcebook has a great piece of artwork on the front cover featuring this 'Mech. I literally bought the book because of its cover.

Linebacker:
Spoiler:
The Linebacker is one of those really weird oft-overlooked Clan designs, and one that was in dire need of a redesign.

Also stats from the Kickstarter:

43rd over-all in the Games Category
30th in TableTop Gaming
83rd highest Kickstarter project ever


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/21 04:36:38


Post by: BrianDavion


the Linebacker actually looks GOOD


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/21 04:42:22


Post by: H.B.M.C.


And, much like the new Black Hawk, it's no longer into the category of "My shoulders are also my hips!".


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/21 15:08:06


Post by: ChargerIIC


Glad to see the new Nova Cat looks so good. It was one of those mechs that *almost* looked good before but was too curved


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/21 15:12:23


Post by: Nurglitch


Linebacker looks like a baby Dire Wolf.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/21 15:18:23


Post by: Ghaz


 ChargerIIC wrote:
Glad to see the new Nova Cat looks so good. It was one of those mechs that *almost* looked good before but was too curved

I don't really see that big of a difference between the old and new Nova Cat artwork...

Spoiler:




BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/21 15:27:47


Post by: balmong7


 Ghaz wrote:
 ChargerIIC wrote:
Glad to see the new Nova Cat looks so good. It was one of those mechs that *almost* looked good before but was too curved

I don't really see that big of a difference between the old and new Nova Cat artwork...

Spoiler:




That's kind the point right? Slightly updated artwork that allows them to say "this is a new and modern design" without changing the original in any crazy ways?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/21 15:39:51


Post by: Ghaz


balmong7 wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
 ChargerIIC wrote:
Glad to see the new Nova Cat looks so good. It was one of those mechs that *almost* looked good before but was too curved

I don't really see that big of a difference between the old and new Nova Cat artwork...

Spoiler:




That's kind the point right? Slightly updated artwork that allows them to say "this is a new and modern design" without changing the original in any crazy ways?

Yes. My reply was in reference to ChargerIIC saying the original was 'too curved' and the new one looks better.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/21 17:06:17


Post by: ChargerIIC


 Ghaz wrote:
balmong7 wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
 ChargerIIC wrote:
Glad to see the new Nova Cat looks so good. It was one of those mechs that *almost* looked good before but was too curved

I don't really see that big of a difference between the old and new Nova Cat artwork...

Spoiler:




That's kind the point right? Slightly updated artwork that allows them to say "this is a new and modern design" without changing the original in any crazy ways?

Yes. My reply was in reference to ChargerIIC saying the original was 'too curved' and the new one looks better.


I stand by my opinion


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/21 22:16:23


Post by: H.B.M.C.


The new one has a bigger head... and that's about it.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/21 22:25:28


Post by: Ghaz


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The new one has a bigger head... and that's about it.

Looks like it may be a touch larger than the original.

Noticed the latest post on Anthony Scroggins' Patreon is 'Green Burd Prototypes'. I wonder what he could be working on...


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/21 22:30:54


Post by: H.B.M.C.


A new Night Gyr, Turkina and Fire Falcon, I suspect.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/21 22:41:31


Post by: Ghaz


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
A new Night Gyr, Turkina and Fire Falcon, I suspect.

Considering the Turkina OmniMech was named after Elizabeth Hazen's pet jade falcon, the 'Green Burd' reference makes it fairly obvious which 95 ton 'mech he's working on


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/22 11:35:44


Post by: H


 Ghaz wrote:
Considering the Turkina OmniMech was named after Elizabeth Hazen's pet jade falcon, the 'Green Burd' reference makes it fairly obvious which 95 ton 'mech he's working on


A "new" Turkina was probably 90% of the reason I backed the Kickstarter, so I am definitely eager to see what they do with it.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/23 12:51:58


Post by: Nurglitch


It'll be interesting to see how he makes it look a little less...like...that... *gestures*


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/23 16:49:22


Post by: Chillreaper


I can actually visualise the gesture that you're making...

I did a bit of conversion work on my mini to reduce that look.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/23 16:50:20


Post by: Albertorius


Nurglitch wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how he makes it look a little less...like...that... *gestures*

"You have pointed at all of it!"


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/24 01:06:53


Post by: Nurglitch


I wonder what effect this will have:

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1165005930733473793

Mod edit - That tweet states that "...the remaining 300 BILLION DOLLARS of goods and products from China, that was being taxed from September 1st at 10%, will now be taxed at 15%."


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/24 02:15:59


Post by: ingtaer


So, those posts sparked a flurry of alerts (thanks for that). Whilst politics is a banned subject matter on dakka this increase on tariffs is relevant to the topic at hand (or it could be), I don't want to just stop the thread in its tracks so am asking that people stick to discussing its relevance to the Kickstarter. Your opinion on the tariff, the President of the USA etc. is not relevant so do not post about it. If we can keep the discussion around the impact it might have, we are good, posts that diverge from this very simple guideline will be deleted and could incur warnings. Please use some common sense when posting and make sure your posts are relevant to the topic of BT Kickstarter.
Thanks,
ingtaer.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/24 10:33:32


Post by: balmong7


Hurray for higher shipping costs!


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/24 11:20:40


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


it shouldn't matter for this KS as they've yet to run the PM and collect the shipping so any tarrif increase can be accounted for in that,

for other projects where the profit margin was dubious its going to be a big problem,

the tweet 'order' for US companies to move their supply chains out of China could be even worse, as if the trade war gets worse it wouldn't shock me if a total import ban got thrown down


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/24 14:32:10


Post by: Nurglitch


Given how the Pandasaurus guy explained it above I'd wonder if there's a KS update a backer could share.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/24 14:41:11


Post by: Miguelsan


There was one update to Pandasauru's post saying that tariffs for games and toys will be defered to December. So we might be spared.

M.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/08/24 14:43:18


Post by: AndrewGPaul


That blog post was nine days before the tweet, though (it refers to the tariff rate of 10%, not 15%).


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/10/06 01:46:04


Post by: rabidaskal


https://www.patreon.com/ShimmeringSword/posts?tag=Battletech

Wave 1 mechs confirmed. Happy that the Viper and Mad Dog made it in, glory to Ghost Bear.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/10/06 02:43:44


Post by: H.B.M.C.


And those Legend 'Mechs are nice. The Widowmaker is great.

And all them Urbies!


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/10/06 03:41:18


Post by: Ghaz


Don't forget to go back to some of the older posts on his Patreon as he's unlocked some of them...





BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/10/06 03:57:57


Post by: BrianDavion


love that Loki, too abd it's such a gak mech :(


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/10/06 14:58:58


Post by: Ghaz


From the BattleTech Facebook page:

BattleTech wrote:Anthony Scroggins here, head of the mech design and sculpting team for Battletech. Barely keeping my head above water while we blitz out as much Wave One Clan Invasion Kickstarter mech goodness as possible.
I wanted to show you what my team has been working on. We're not even half way through the whole KS list and the collection is already looking amazing.

Last Christmas we brought you 9 plastic mechs. Coming up next year we're going to increase that number to 38 (subject to change), and it'll only get crazier from there

Want to see even more development imagery? Design sketches, progress shots, renders, and some prototypes can be found on my Patreon page:
https://www.patreon.com/ShimmeringSword


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/10/07 15:33:56


Post by: Nurglitch


That Loki doesn't seem like the usual Scroggins magic.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/10/16 17:09:37


Post by: Ghaz


From the BattleTech Forum an image of the Executioner from the manufacturer un China:



BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/10/26 23:16:13


Post by: Ghaz


For those Clan players who like their Elementals...

Spoiler:






And a sketch of the new Mist Lynx (Koshi)...



BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/10/26 23:50:02


Post by: BrianDavion


Those are some of the best looking power armor minis I've seen.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/10/27 00:18:03


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


SWEEEEEET


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/10/27 00:45:38


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Wish they all had their SRM launchers though...


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/10/27 02:10:09


Post by: Gitzbitah


You know, I would have expected all of them to have their SRMs too- then I thought about it. The idea of every member of the squad having a shot, and launching simultaneously is a bit absurd. If they're firing when they have the opportunity, someone's going to run out first, and once they've shot their SRMs they'd eject them- so I've come to love the logic behind it.

Plus, they are simply gorgeous.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/01 21:06:18


Post by: ChargerIIC


Now I just need those Kage power suits to match...


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/01 21:08:17


Post by: Albertorius


They do look fantastic, and make me want 28mm ones.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/02 00:54:29


Post by: Ghaz


Now where did I leave my hatchet?...



BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/02 08:13:26


Post by: BrianDavion


 Albertorius wrote:
They do look fantastic, and make me want 28mm ones.


I'd totally play a 28mm elemental game..



BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/02 11:30:35


Post by: Mr Morden


BrianDavion wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
They do look fantastic, and make me want 28mm ones.


I'd totally play a 28mm elemental game..



Is BattleTroops still out there?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/02 20:13:33


Post by: Chillreaper


BrianDavion wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
They do look fantastic, and make me want 28mm ones.


I'd totally play a 28mm elemental game..



Now you've got me wondering about what stats Elementals would have in Infinity!


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/02 22:04:12


Post by: BrianDavion


 Chillreaper wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
They do look fantastic, and make me want 28mm ones.


I'd totally play a 28mm elemental game..



Now you've got me wondering about what stats Elementals would have in Infinity!


Can't speak about infinity but in 40k they'd likely be 4 str, 4 t 1-2 wounds, 3+ armor, with a lascanon, stubber and missle rack. ohh and a jump pack.....



BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/03 09:00:16


Post by: Stormonu


BrianDavion wrote:
 Chillreaper wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
They do look fantastic, and make me want 28mm ones.


I'd totally play a 28mm elemental game..



Now you've got me wondering about what stats Elementals would have in Infinity!


Can't speak about infinity but in 40k they'd likely be 4 str, 4 t 1-2 wounds, 3+ armor, with a lascanon, stubber and missle rack. ohh and a jump pack.....



Better fit would be terminators stats + cyclone launcher + jump pack.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/09 08:11:50


Post by: H.B.M.C.


BIG UPDATE


The pledge manager is looking to have a soft-launch for the highest tier backers this Wednesday (US time). They'll be testing it out to make sure it works.

If it works, the pledge manger will be open to all across Thursday/Friday.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/09 14:02:41


Post by: Miguelsan


About time! Looking forward to add some more c-bills and add a couple more lances.

M.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/10 00:17:32


Post by: Platuan4th


 Albertorius wrote:
They do look fantastic, and make me want 28mm ones.


Pretty sure Iron Wind still sells the 25/28mm(can't remember which) BattleTroop Elementals.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/10 00:30:31


Post by: Ghaz


 Platuan4th wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
They do look fantastic, and make me want 28mm ones.


Pretty sure Iron Wind still sells the 25/28mm(can't remember which) BattleTroop Elementals.

They do, but it won't match the look of the new plastics.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/10 01:19:50


Post by: BrianDavion


 Ghaz wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
They do look fantastic, and make me want 28mm ones.


Pretty sure Iron Wind still sells the 25/28mm(can't remember which) BattleTroop Elementals.

They do, but it won't match the look of the new plastics.


https://ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=16_44_245 they have a whole mess of 28mm scale stuff for battletroops. if I was looking to start a 40k IG army I might be tempted to use that steiner infantry


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/10 08:00:29


Post by: Albertorius


 Platuan4th wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
They do look fantastic, and make me want 28mm ones.


Pretty sure Iron Wind still sells the 25/28mm(can't remember which) BattleTroop Elementals.

I know. What I meant was "these make me want 28mm versions of these designs". I thought it was clear enough from the context.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/10 08:54:08


Post by: BrianDavion


I'm suprised battletroops minis exist, last I know that game was looong dead but there is a mini for the Hauberk, which is a fairly new type of BA so.. must be still being continued somehow...
that or they really wanted to sculpt a 28mm hauberk


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/10 14:33:00


Post by: Ghaz


BrianDavion wrote:
I'm suprised battletroops minis exist, last I know that game was looong dead but there is a mini for the Hauberk, which is a fairly new type of BA so.. must be still being continued somehow...
that or they really wanted to sculpt a 28mm hauberk

They come in handy when playing 'A Time of War' or the upcoming 'Destiny' RPGs.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/15 07:30:18


Post by: H.B.M.C.


The Pledge Manager is 100% live and it's fething enormous.

Took a while to go through it all, but there we go. Shipping to Oz wasn't so bad either.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/15 08:55:11


Post by: BrianDavion


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Pledge Manager is 100% live and it's fething enormous.

Took a while to go through it all, but there we go. Shipping to Oz wasn't so bad either.


did they say how long the manager is gonna be open for? I've christmas budgeting to do


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/15 10:34:49


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Not that I've seen. Might be buried in the comments somewhere.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/15 14:10:28


Post by: Chillreaper


Shipping is rather surprising - in a good way!

The only thing that's really messing me up is the way that it wants to lock you in to the selection. I was planning on selecting stuff and paying for it, then re-opening it a couple of times whilst the pledge manager was open. You know, the way that just about every other pledge manager does it.

This is either going to result in a more family-shocking single payment, or less stuff being ordered.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/15 14:14:47


Post by: Ghaz


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not that I've seen. Might be buried in the comments somewhere.

https://bg.battletech.com/news/clan-invasion-kickstarter-pledge-manager-is-live/

The pledge manager will remain open for the next several months, at which time your order will be finalized for production and shipping!


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/15 17:13:15


Post by: Chillreaper


Okay, according to the info page, you can go back and add stuff; but the actual pledge manager said that you are locked in once you complete. I'm confused and also hoping that it's the former (obviously).


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/15 17:15:13


Post by: BrianDavion


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not that I've seen. Might be buried in the comments somewhere.


you'd think they'd put that date out in opublic, especially as giving the timing I'm sure plenty of people might need to do some christmas budgeting to know if they can afford an upgrade


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/15 17:49:05


Post by: Siygess


I finalised my pledge this afternoon and confirm there is a link / button on the pledge summary page that says you can unlock it and add more.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/15 19:25:43


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 Chillreaper wrote:
Okay, according to the info page, you can go back and add stuff; but the actual pledge manager said that you are locked in once you complete. I'm confused and also hoping that it's the former (obviously).


I suspect what they mean is once you've checked out those items are fixed (no going back and taking expansion A you've decided you don't want back out of the cart, or changing pledge level), but you will be able to carry on adding new stuff

but obviously you'd need to get it in writing from them


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/15 19:55:58


Post by: Chillreaper


 Siygess wrote:
I finalised my pledge this afternoon and confirm there is a link / button on the pledge summary page that says you can unlock it and add more.


Get in!


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/16 00:06:51


Post by: ChargerIIC


Dear Krensky, that was a lot of options. I need more money.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/16 09:43:11


Post by: Mr Morden


There was a lot of stuff and def spent more than I thought!


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/18 15:31:44


Post by: balmong7


Oh god. its options time. With all the new expansions that were added in. for a first time Battletech boy getting his first non-starter set minis. Is the lance pack 1 and star pack 1 still the best option?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/18 19:13:30


Post by: ChargerIIC


balmong7 wrote:
Oh god. its options time. With all the new expansions that were added in. for a first time Battletech boy getting his first non-starter set minis. Is the lance pack 1 and star pack 1 still the best option?


90% of home games only need a lance since you can only proxy and quick games are just a couple mechs on each side. At some point you'll want 12 Inner Sphere mechs or 10 Clan Mechs for the big games.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/18 19:17:15


Post by: Nurglitch


Save some money to invest in sheet protectors!


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/18 19:19:26


Post by: infinite_array


Almost got my order in!

As a Star Captain, I got both Comstar Level IIs and the Comstar Dice and Coin for my backer rewards (Remember Tukayyid!).

I then added on a Clan Command Star and a Clan Fire Star to add to the starter set for a Trinary. And a Battle Lance for my Inner Sphere Merc Company.

I also added on the FedCom dice, but I'm having trouble deciding between the Smoke Jaguar or Jade Falcons for my Clanner dice.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/18 19:51:09


Post by: mumsnarf


I am going to wait as long as I can before I commit to my force packs to see as many new designs as possible. I had been dead-set on the Direct Fire IS lance until I saw the 3D models of the Atlas and the Marauder II, now I don't think I will be getting that one unless the Orion design is stellar.

I am having indecision freeze on the Clan packs. I like both the wave 1 packs but I am getting so many salvage boxes I don't want that many duplicates, however I also really want a Dire wolf and Shadow cat. Think it is better to get wave 2 star packs and hope I get the ones I want in my salvage boxes?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/18 20:15:17


Post by: infinite_array


Maybe there will be a Facebook Salvage Box trading group?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/18 21:27:42


Post by: Kalamadea


Wasn't planning on dropping an extra $50 on it, but Star Colonel didn't quite get me all they toys I wanted, so here we are

I wish I could've dropped a lot of the extraneous crap for credit, pretty sure all those challenge coins and posters and T-shirts, patches etc are going in the bin.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/18 21:30:48


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Ended up getting every Lance/Star pack on offer. I want plastic 'Mechs.

 infinite_array wrote:
I also added on the FedCom dice, but I'm having trouble deciding between the Smoke Jaguar or Jade Falcons for my Clanner dice.
I almost added Smoke Jaguar dice. Almost. Stayed strong though and kept to Federated Suns/Ghost Bear/Draconis Combine/Federated Commonwealth.

Naturally I already have Jade Falcon dice, and you should too.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/18 21:31:38


Post by: H


 Kalamadea wrote:
Wasn't planning on dropping an extra $50 on it, but Star Colonel didn't quite get me all they toys I wanted, so here we are

I wish I could've dropped a lot of the extraneous crap for credit, pretty sure all those challenge coins and posters and T-shirts, patches etc are going in the bin.

You could always send them to me if you are going to trash them,

I haven't locked in yet, I think I am just going to stick with my initial pledge. Honestly, I'd really like more stuff, notably the COmstar Level IIs, but one, I am not even close to being able to get a game and two, dollars are in a bit of short supply and I still haven't locked in my Desert of the Dead pledge yet!


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/19 08:43:57


Post by: mdauben


mumsnarf wrote:
I like both the wave 1 packs but I am getting so many salvage boxes I don't want that many duplicates

That's just crazy talk! I'm building a whole Ghost Bear Galaxy and I need 4-5 copies of some of the Omnimechs.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/19 09:41:43


Post by: Trafalgar Law


mumsnarf wrote:
I am going to wait as long as I can before I commit to my force packs to see as many new designs as possible. I had been dead-set on the Direct Fire IS lance until I saw the 3D models of the Atlas and the Marauder II, now I don't think I will be getting that one unless the Orion design is stellar.

I am having indecision freeze on the Clan packs. I like both the wave 1 packs but I am getting so many salvage boxes I don't want that many duplicates, however I also really want a Dire wolf and Shadow cat. Think it is better to get wave 2 star packs and hope I get the ones I want in my salvage boxes?


What was wrong with the redesigns of the Atlas and Marauder II? I was wanting that pack but haven't seen any concept art/sculpts as it's locked behind a paywall. I've generally liked the new designs so far, but I don't like that we haven't at least got concept art for everything.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/19 09:51:20


Post by: kodos


I kept it simple, Star Captain with both Wave 1 IS Lances and an extra Legendary Box.

Everything else will need to wait for retail, than I can also easier decide on the not yet final sculpts


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/19 15:26:14


Post by: mumsnarf


Trafalgar Law wrote:
What was wrong with the redesigns of the Atlas and Marauder II?

I don't think there was anything wrong with them, I just like the IWM designs better. The Catalyst stuff is all starting to look the same to me and I like having some of the old wonky models to diversify the looks. Some of the concept art is being shared on less reputable websites, but it is only 1USD to get access to everything on the patronas.

I've decided to skip over the W1 clan packs and see what I get in the salvage boxes. I remembered that the W1 stuff will be at retail probably around the same time anyway so I can just pick them up at the shop if I don't get what I want.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/19 17:56:17


Post by: Ghaz


Misread previous post.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/19 21:12:07


Post by: H.B.M.C.


The redesigns for the Atlas and Marauder II are out there.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/19 21:15:00


Post by: Nurglitch


As is the Truth.

Seyla.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/20 22:12:13


Post by: Ghaz


From what I can see the new Atlas looks good and is close enough to the original for me.

Spoiler:



BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/20 22:15:34


Post by: Albertorius


Oh, hey, Crusader... noice


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/20 23:40:33


Post by: JoshInJapan


I just finalized my pledge. I went with four Inner Sphere lances (command, battle, direct fire and heavy). My high school gaming group moved on to WHFB well before the clan stuff started, so my nostalgia doesn't kick in for that stuff.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/20 23:43:02


Post by: BrianDavion


 JoshInJapan wrote:
I just finalized my pledge. I went with four Inner Sphere lances (command, battle, direct fire and heavy). My high school gaming group moved on to WHFB well before the clan stuff started, so my nostalgia doesn't kick in for that stuff.


you never played mechwarrior 2?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 00:05:34


Post by: JoshInJapan


I don't really enjoy video games (console or PC), probably because of my advanced age.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 00:30:19


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Ghaz wrote:
Spoiler:
Funky looking Crusader.

I take it that that's the new Linebacker? And Nova Cat?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 02:45:45


Post by: BrianDavion


yeah looks like. line backer looks nice, I always thought it looked awkward but this mini makes it look solid


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 02:47:46


Post by: Ghaz


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Spoiler:
Funky looking Crusader.

I take it that that's the new Linebacker? And Nova Cat?

Yes. We saw the Linebacker, Crusader and Nova Cat concept sketches during the Kickstarter campaign.




BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 05:48:01


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Great reinterpretation of the Line Backer then.

It's always been one of those "Oh yeah, that exists." Clan Omni-Mechs, not good enough to be rated among the other heavy Omni's, and not weird enough to stick out as something strange (like the Naga).

It's awkward original artwork didn't do it any favours either:
Spoiler:

A latter redesign was better, but not by much:
Spoiler:
And the MWO version doesn't even look like a Linebacker anymore. It's been stripped of its individuality, however weird it may have been:
Spoiler:
This gives me great hope for the Black Lanner, a 'Mech I've always called the Fat Duck 'Mech for reasons that should be obvious.

Now it's had redesigns as well, my particular fav being this one, but given what's been done to the Linebacker I can only imagine how good the new Black Lanner's gonna look.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 11:46:30


Post by: balmong7


So I succumbed to my nemesis "Hobby Greed" and upgraded my pledge to Star Colonel. I ran out of mechs I recognized the names of before I ran out of expansion pack add-ons. So by the last packs, I was just picking at random. lol.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 12:59:04


Post by: Sterling191


balmong7 wrote:
So I succumbed to my nemesis "Hobby Greed" and upgraded my pledge to Star Colonel. I ran out of mechs I recognized the names of before I ran out of expansion pack add-ons. So by the last packs, I was just picking at random. lol.


You can get multiples of the same pack if you choose, there's a quantity selection on the right side.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 16:25:12


Post by: Ghaz


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And the MWO version doesn't even look like a Linebacker anymore. It's been stripped of its individuality, however weird it may have been:
Spoiler:

Anthony's new Linebacker looks almost identical to the MWO version...




BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 16:29:03


Post by: SeanDrake


Is that an inflatable Atlas it looks pretty gak if I’m honest, hopefully it’s a work in progress.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 19:09:23


Post by: Nurglitch


That Atlas is begging for a "They See Me Walking" meme


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 21:16:49


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Ghaz wrote:
Anthony's new Linebacker looks almost identical to the MWO version...
Doesn't look that way to me at all.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 21:35:41


Post by: BrianDavion


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Anthony's new Linebacker looks almost identical to the MWO version...
Doesn't look that way to me at all.


they're definatly the same mech, but you can at the same time see some clear astristic variation within the structures. over all I like it, Linebacker's gone from a "meh" mech to "... I think I might have a new favorite"


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 23:29:59


Post by: Ghaz


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Anthony's new Linebacker looks almost identical to the MWO version...

Doesn't look that way to me at all.

It's a lot closer to the MWO version than either BattleTech version.





BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 23:45:50


Post by: ChargerIIC


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Anthony's new Linebacker looks almost identical to the MWO version...
Doesn't look that way to me at all.


Same designer. Looks like a slightly tweaked evolution of the MWO design, which is to be expected.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/21 23:55:02


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Like I said, the MWO one looks like an MWO 'Mech in that it has had a lot of the soul sucked out of it. As awkward as the Linebacker is, the MWO look appears to have lost anything that makes it unique.

The BTech redesign, not so much.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/22 00:35:39


Post by: BrianDavion


so on a related note, the new battletech video game DLC came out today, of intreast it includes an entirely new mech, the Bullshark. 95 tons, with a Thumper canon, 2 UAC5s, 2 LB10X, and 4 ER MLs. it's mostly notable because we can proably expect to see this mech canonized in table top soonish


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/22 00:53:53


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Soonish?

Has the Roughneck entered canon yet?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/22 01:01:04


Post by: Gitzbitah


Oh man, the Black Lanner had the most heinous art. My brother got one when ages ago when 3058 was cutting age tech, and it was missing the middle piece.

We honestly didn't realize anything was wrong until years later when we saw a picture of the model. The art's from such a strange angle, and there's so many pieces in the IWM model that it got us.

The Atlas looks like someone took an Atlas, sent it back and said add more armor, then bolted extra plates all over it. I love it!

It's come a long way, baby!

The previous plastic version- (that may have skipped leg day)
Spoiler:



And the legendary Fatlas.
Spoiler:


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/22 01:12:16


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Plastech minis were awful. That novelty sized Catapult still makes me laugh.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/22 03:30:48


Post by: BrianDavion


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Soonish?

Has the Roughneck entered canon yet?


no but I'd not be suprised to see it eventually happen too.
that said HBS has worked pretty closely with the table top. that said, given the mech's exact capabilities and the story behind it, it's likely going to apper in a XTRO sometime or something.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/22 03:32:31


Post by: H.B.M.C.


The problem with the Bullshark is that, as written, it's an illegal design. You can't fit the weapons where they're meant to go, and even if you fudge that to fit the weapons in, you can't have DHS.

And you can only be a 2/3 'Mech. And only have 49% armour coverage.



BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/22 04:00:50


Post by: BrianDavion


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The problem with the Bullshark is that, as written, it's an illegal design. You can't fit the weapons where they're meant to go, and even if you fudge that to fit the weapons in, you can't have DHS.

And you can only be a 2/3 'Mech. And only have 49% armour coverage.



what tech base are you using?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/22 04:05:49


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Inner Sphere.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/22 10:01:33


Post by: rabidaskal


BrianDavion wrote:
so on a related note, the new battletech video game DLC came out today, of intreast it includes an entirely new mech, the Bullshark. 95 tons, with a Thumper canon, 2 UAC5s, 2 LB10X, and 4 ER MLs. it's mostly notable because we can proably expect to see this mech canonized in table top soonish


I have only casual knowledge of the lore, but was all that tech available in 3025? That loadout looks post-invasion.

Or did the DLC advance the video game timeline past 3025?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/22 10:09:57


Post by: BrianDavion


 rabidaskal wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
so on a related note, the new battletech video game DLC came out today, of intreast it includes an entirely new mech, the Bullshark. 95 tons, with a Thumper canon, 2 UAC5s, 2 LB10X, and 4 ER MLs. it's mostly notable because we can proably expect to see this mech canonized in table top soonish


I have only casual knowledge of the lore, but was all that tech available in 3025? That loadout looks post-invasion.

Or did the DLC advance the video game timeline past 3025?


kiiinda, Battletech's a bit like 40k in that there was a glorious past with super advanced tech and then bad gak happened and things have been on a gradual decline since.

That said the Star league never but ER medium lasers into production.


Spoiler:

the design also only works if you use clan tech


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/22 10:11:06


Post by: beast_gts


 rabidaskal wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
so on a related note, the new battletech video game DLC came out today, of intreast it includes an entirely new mech, the Bullshark. 95 tons, with a Thumper canon, 2 UAC5s, 2 LB10X, and 4 ER MLs. it's mostly notable because we can proably expect to see this mech canonized in table top soonish


I have only casual knowledge of the lore, but was all that tech available in 3025? That loadout looks post-invasion.

Or did the DLC advance the video game timeline past 3025?


The plot line is that they find a drifting ship full of LosTech, and then have to fight over it -
Come face-to-face with two legendary characters from BATTLETECH lore - the Bounty Hunter and the Black Widow of Wolf’s Dragoons. A derelict cargo ship has drifted into the Periphery from deep space; what secrets does it contain, and who will ultimately control its mysterious payload?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/22 11:08:02


Post by: kodos


and who will ultimately control its mysterious payload?

ComStar


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/22 11:17:22


Post by: Mr Morden


 kodos wrote:
and who will ultimately control its mysterious payload?

ComStar


Sounds right for the time period


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/22 14:01:50


Post by: nobody


I could see a variant of the Bullshark becoming canon because of the Jordan Weisman connection (which is probably how House Arano became canon).

I don’t know if the PGI originals (Roughneck, Sun Spider, Corsair) ever will since they don’t have that kind of connection for licensing issues.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/23 21:13:27


Post by: AegisGrimm


In other Catalyst kickstarter news, here's hoping this Kickstarter goes freaking awesome in both this phase and in production, as in 2020 they are planning on resurrecting Leviathans through KS!


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/23 21:13:27


Post by: Ghaz


From the latest Kickstarter Update:

Spoiler:




































BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/23 22:48:50


Post by: Nostromodamus


I couldn’t stay away. Late pledged for 2 Star Colonels, wave 2 record sheets (wave 1 sheets are part of the pledge, right?) and the alien map pack.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/11/24 04:35:30


Post by: BrianDavion


nobody wrote:
I could see a variant of the Bullshark becoming canon because of the Jordan Weisman connection (which is probably how House Arano became canon).

.

Also HBS IIRC has hired a lot of long time battletech writers for this game.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2019/12/03 12:04:33


Post by: niall78


Just finalised my pledge.

Another €200. Not as much extra damage as I expected but I did have to restrain myself.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/23 19:05:19


Post by: mumsnarf


Just an update that the pledge manager will close on February 9th. Also if you have a cannon character you don't want you can trade it for $75 credit.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/23 19:46:07


Post by: Platuan4th


mumsnarf wrote:
Just an update that the pledge manager will close on February 9th. Also if you have a cannon character you don't want you can trade it for $75 credit.


Yet it costs $200 to upgrade for one. I figured you wouldn't get full back, but that's a pretty big difference.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/23 19:55:28


Post by: Sterling191


 Platuan4th wrote:

Yet it costs $200 to upgrade for one. I figured you wouldn't get full back, but that's a pretty big difference.


Its an option aimed at folks who pledged at levels that included said canon character, not folks who bought it as a standalone item.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/23 20:20:04


Post by: Ghaz


 Platuan4th wrote:
mumsnarf wrote:
Just an update that the pledge manager will close on February 9th. Also if you have a cannon character you don't want you can trade it for $75 credit.


Yet it costs $200 to upgrade for one. I figured you wouldn't get full back, but that's a pretty big difference.

From the BattleTech Forum it's $75 for Star Colonels and $150 for Galaxy Commanders.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/23 20:51:00


Post by: Chillreaper


Hang on a minute...

I'm at Bloodnamed at the moment, for $150 for 4 mech packs, plus 3 or 4 extra packs.

Star Colonel is $300 for 12 packs, ditching the character thingy means that I can get that for $225?! What am I missing? To be honest, my brain has completely edited out any mention of the canon character thing because I no interest in it at all.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/23 22:13:09


Post by: BrianDavion


well if you don't want a canon character and for some reason can't cancel lemme know I'll be happy to give you some info you can send to em. *shrugs*


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/24 00:16:37


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Shame that only the Galaxy Commander allows art references for the canon character.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/24 00:24:15


Post by: Kanluwen


I'm a latecomer to this whole Battletech as a miniatures game thing...will all this stuff be available at retail?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/24 00:26:17


Post by: Ghaz


 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm a latecomer to this whole Battletech as a miniatures game thing...will all this stuff be available at retail?

The miniatures will be. Only some of the extras will be available.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/24 00:35:58


Post by: Kanluwen


 Ghaz wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm a latecomer to this whole Battletech as a miniatures game thing...will all this stuff be available at retail?

The miniatures will be. Only some of the extras will be available.

Did they show off any Inner Sphere powered armor? I couldn't find a mention of it(this is a huuuuge thread to go through! ), but since the Clan Invasion and Elementals are coming I figured it might be a thing?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/24 00:43:02


Post by: Ghaz


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm a latecomer to this whole Battletech as a miniatures game thing...will all this stuff be available at retail?

The miniatures will be. Only some of the extras will be available.

Did they show off any Inner Sphere powered armor? I couldn't find a mention of it(this is a huuuuge thread to go through! ), but since the Clan Invasion and Elementals are coming I figured it might be a thing?

No. There are no Inner Sphere Battle Armor models in this Kickstarter and the majority of the models are from TRO 3050.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/24 00:52:33


Post by: Kanluwen


Aw darn. Was hoping at least the Grey Death Standard might show up in plastic.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/24 01:15:51


Post by: Ghaz


 Kanluwen wrote:
Aw darn. Was hoping at least the Grey Death Standard might show up in plastic.

The new lineart for the Elementals does look nice...

Spoiler:


EDIT: You can see a lot more of the new lineart in this thread HERE.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/24 21:03:45


Post by: Nurglitch


I love that they have ankles now.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/25 00:51:22


Post by: Nostromodamus


Waiting on my credit for the canon character, currently agonizing over what mech packs I want with the credit.

5 extra Urbies isn’t madness, is it?


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/25 01:10:42


Post by: H.B.M.C.


5 extra Urbies... that would mean you have 6? Unless you're playing Com-Star that doesn't seem right. Get another 11. Full company's worth!


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/25 04:53:04


Post by: Barzam


So, I know it isn't normally a thing for Battletech, but are they planning on doing any 28mm Elementals? I'd love a decent, good sized mini of one.


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/25 05:46:29


Post by: BrianDavion


 Barzam wrote:
So, I know it isn't normally a thing for Battletech, but are they planning on doing any 28mm Elementals? I'd love a decent, good sized mini of one.


https://store.ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=16_44_245 check there. that's for battletroops, a set of rules for infantry skirmish in the battletech universe, as far as I'm aware the rules are old, (dating back to '89) and not currently supported, (although you an proably still buy a PDF of the rules Btechs good for that) looks like they produce a 28mm scale elemental as well as, oddly a 28mm scale Hauberk.

also some great house infantry that I soo wanna see used for a guard regiment now


BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live. @ 2020/01/31 20:11:17


Post by: Chillreaper


Hooray!

Obviously, it took direct communication with CGL, but they swapped out my pledge level to Star Colonel. I'm guessing that they had to do it that way, rather than leave it to me to press buttons to select it so that I didn't do anything scummy; like downgrading and taking my already downloaded PDFs and running.

The thing is that since they took the neoprene map out, it dropped to $270, which, when factoring in the rebate for the canon character sort of makes it $195 for 69 (dude) mechs! That's like, 2 1/2 of the Queen's finest pounds per mech and a bunch of extra cool stuff as well!

Madness...