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2019/08/17 08:57:59
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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“What about plastic kits with the ‘mechs on sprues (non-assembled)
Focus is miniatures for people to play. IWM is the place for assembly ‘Mechs.“
That makes me sad, so because CGL cannot or will not buyout IWM contract. We are forever stuck with misshapen lumps of plastic from Catalyst or misshapen lumps of lead from iron.
Given the glacier like improvements in quality in both my great grand kids may get some mechs that are made to 2019 standard in 2050ish
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Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis |
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2019/08/17 12:31:56
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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I just got the two newer boxes. The idea that they are "misshapen lumps of plastic" is so far removed from reality that it's hardly worth commenting on.
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2019/08/17 17:36:16
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Fixture of Dakka
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If previous comments in this thread are correct, there’s no contract for Catalyst to buy out; Iron Wind Metals have the perpetual licence to make Battletech miniatures and it appears it’s exclusive.
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2019/08/17 18:18:13
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Raging Rat Ogre
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Actually, the new mechs (I just picked up the new Catalyst AGOAC box set) are pretty great.
And as a miniature junkie, they are plenty detailed should I ever actually choose to paint them. An unlikely prospect given my every growing pile of plastic, resin and metal).
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Urusei Yatsura, Cerebus the Aardvark, Machiavelli, Plato and Happy Days. So, how was your childhood?
DC:70S+G++M+++B+I-Pat43/f+D++A(WTF)/eWD079R+++T(R)DM+ |
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2019/08/17 21:59:40
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Last few hours now. Be nice to break the $2.5 million mark.
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2019/08/17 23:36:51
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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AndrewGPaul wrote:If previous comments in this thread are correct, there’s no contract for Catalyst to buy out; Iron Wind Metals have the perpetual licence to make Battletech miniatures and it appears it’s exclusive.
FASA made a lot of idiotic decisions that way.
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2019/08/17 23:40:46
Subject: Re:BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Been Around the Block
Orlando, FL
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I'm going to pass, since I don't care for the Clans, and I still haven't painted my minis from the first box set. That said, these are nice minis. They are made of a resin/plastic blend that is a bit of a pain to clean mold lines from, but other than that they look great.
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2019/08/17 23:59:45
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Lieutenant General
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BrianDavion wrote: AndrewGPaul wrote:If previous comments in this thread are correct, there’s no contract for Catalyst to buy out; Iron Wind Metals have the perpetual licence to make Battletech miniatures and it appears it’s exclusive.
FASA made a lot of idiotic decisions that way.
The history of Ral Partha is interesting as well, like how FASA owned Ral Partha between 1998 and 2001...
http://www.purplepawn.com/2010/03/the-convoluted-story-of-iron-wind-metals-ral-partha-and-battletech-miniatures/
$2.5 MILLION GOAL REACHED! with 2 hours and 41 minutes left in the Kickstarter.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2019/08/18 00:51:49
Subject: Re:BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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yeah Ral Partha's history is pretty complex. apparently they where the citidel sub contracter in NA back in the day, so some of the old 90s WFB and 40K stuff might even be ral partha
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2019/08/18 01:31:42
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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[DCM]
The Main Man
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I'm in for the Star Captain level. Glad to see it hit the $2.5 million mark. I'm pretty excited for this and I'll probably throw in a few add-ons as well, once the pledge manager goes live.
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2019/08/18 02:12:49
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Didn't think we'd hit $2.5m, given we were over $200k away before I went to bed. Man did it jump up!
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2019/08/18 02:24:35
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Didn't think we'd hit $2.5m, given we were over $200k away before I went to bed. Man did it jump up!
the battletech fanbase isn't as big as some games out there (such as 40k) but it's passionate.
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2019/08/18 02:30:56
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Can the Legendary Mechwarrior box be taken as a pledge reward?
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2019/08/18 02:31:12
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Lieutenant General
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BrianDavion wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Didn't think we'd hit $2.5m, given we were over $200k away before I went to bed. Man did it jump up!
the battletech fanbase isn't as big as some games out there (such as 40k) but it's passionate.
And some deep pockets. Half an hour to go and it's sitting at $2.57 million
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2019/08/18 02:52:01
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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8 minutes to go! Literal seconds count down. Minute left!!! It's over! Final tally: $2,585,506.54
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2019/08/18 03:00:22
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Lieutenant General
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Final total of $2,585,506.00
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2019/08/18 04:13:05
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Nimble Skeleton Charioteer
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I threw in for $30. I'll see what I decide to do in the pledge manager next month.
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2019/08/18 04:54:53
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Can the Legendary Mechwarrior box be taken as a pledge reward?
Add-on only unless they change it later, which I kind of doubt but you never know.
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2019/08/18 09:03:53
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Great to see life in the old dog yet.
Probably one of the most tactically deep games still on the market. A hugely rewarding experience for both competitive and roleplay or campaign players.
Hopefully modern minis will see the playerbase glow a little bit again.
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2019/08/18 10:03:30
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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That was an interesting thing from the first AMA; every time Catalyst puts out a plastic mini their metal mini sales go up.
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2019/08/18 10:23:35
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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H.B.M.C. wrote:That was an interesting thing from the first AMA; every time Catalyst puts out a plastic mini their metal mini sales go up.
Probably as simple as the plastics bringing in fresh blood.
The Battletech universe is expansive. Most of the cannon mechs, tanks, vehicles, battle armour, infantry, VTOLs, aero, aerospace, will never be made in plastic. Hence many new players jumping on-board with plastic will expand their forces with metal minis at some stage.
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2019/08/18 10:32:57
Subject: Re:BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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it's also possiable some people didn't realize until now that Battletech was still a thing. a lotta people still think it died with FASA.
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2019/08/18 10:57:20
Subject: Re:BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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BrianDavion wrote: it's also possiable some people didn't realize until now that Battletech was still a thing. a lotta people still think it died with FASA.
I'd agree with that. CGL, while saving the game, never had the money to properly support the game.
The absolute mess that is BT licensing also doesn't help things much. Digital rights gone - not just a problem tying in very successful games with the physical game but the ability to develop digital tools to make the physical game less player intensive. Rights to produce minis a grey area - I think they can only do mechs in plastic if they come in packs - Iron wind Metals owns the rest of the rights.
Not having quality minis with the new starter box releases has been a major problem over the last decade. Also not being able to maintain those starter boxes with reprints an even greater problem. Non-US distribution isn't good either. Ordering from CGL themselves can incur shipping costs higher than cost of product.
I realise I'm making CGL sound like a disaster zone. But they've done a great job saving and running the universe this last twenty years. The product quality over the years barring the boxset minis is amazing. Hopefully this Kickstarter gives them the financial base to expand the product line heavily into quality minis and keep their core products in print.
It's certainly one of the most exciting times in Battletech tabletop history for the last thirty-five years.
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2019/08/18 10:59:03
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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niall78 wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:That was an interesting thing from the first AMA; every time Catalyst puts out a plastic mini their metal mini sales go up.
Probably as simple as the plastics bringing in fresh blood.
The Battletech universe is expansive. Most of the cannon mechs, tanks, vehicles, battle armour, infantry, VTOLs, aero, aerospace, will never be made in plastic. Hence many new players jumping on-board with plastic will expand their forces with metal minis at some stage.
If I ever get real into Battletech where I'm buying more than just mechs. You can bet I will be buying the infantry, and other vehicle minis to supplement my forces.
In other news, I'm looking forward to the painting guides that are supposedly included so I can put a plan together for getting my minis painted quickly and efficiently.
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2019/08/18 12:01:24
Subject: Re:BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Battleship Captain
The Land of the Rising Sun
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Not only the KS ended up in a record but also after it did so I found this on my way home.
https://www.goodsmile.info/en/product/7954/COMBAT+ARMORS+MAX15+1+72nd+Scale+Abitate+F35C+Blizzard+Gunner.html
I already had one, now I'm one step closer to a full lance.
M.
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Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though." |
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2019/08/18 14:19:38
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Raging Rat Ogre
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Those are 1/72 scale, but GSM is releasing ALL of the of Dougram models now. I wish they would do the same with Crusher Joe...
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Urusei Yatsura, Cerebus the Aardvark, Machiavelli, Plato and Happy Days. So, how was your childhood?
DC:70S+G++M+++B+I-Pat43/f+D++A(WTF)/eWD079R+++T(R)DM+ |
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2019/08/18 14:26:56
Subject: Re:BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Yu Jing Martial Arts Ninja
North Wales
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niall78 wrote:
The absolute mess that is BT licensing also doesn't help things much. Digital rights gone - not just a problem tying in very successful games with the physical game but the ability to develop digital tools to make the physical game less player intensive. Rights to produce minis a grey area - I think they can only do mechs in plastic if they come in packs - Iron wind Metals owns the rest of the rights.
I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that CGL might have one of those weird things going where they can't release minis.
Unless...
It's a component in a game box.
So, releasing starter boxed sets with rules and stuff is fine. Expansion packs of minis would be a no go, unless it's part of a game, which is why all the Alpha Strike Lance packs had cards in them and all of the Lance/Star packs in the KS have pilot cards with them.
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2019/08/18 17:18:55
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Executing Exarch
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BrianDavion wrote: AndrewGPaul wrote:If previous comments in this thread are correct, there’s no contract for Catalyst to buy out; Iron Wind Metals have the perpetual licence to make Battletech miniatures and it appears it’s exclusive.
FASA made a lot of idiotic decisions that way.
I wouldn't call it idiotic. It used to be that licensing wasn't seen the way that it is now. There are a couple of classic examples of this. The first is the Star Trek license used to make the game Star Fleet Battles. Much to Paramount's chagrin, the license has no expiration date. Another example - and one that most Battletech fans are at least nominally aware of - is the license that Harmony Gold managed to acquire for Macross.
In short, FASA was likely merely going with the times when it issued that license.
There is one thing to consider -
If CGL does well with its plastic miniatures line, it might spur IWM to overhaul its own line-up.
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2019/08/18 22:11:47
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Battleship Captain
The Land of the Rising Sun
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Sacredroach wrote:Those are 1/72 scale, but GSM is releasing ALL of the of Dougram models now. I wish they would do the same with Crusher Joe...
I saw the Minerva next the Blizzard Gunner so the Crusher Joe kits might be released soon.
M.
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Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though." |
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2019/08/18 23:25:43
Subject: Re:BattleTech: Clan invasion Kickstarter live.
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Dakka Veteran
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Decided to get into my first Kickstarter with this. Got the base game from the flgs and love the new plastic mechs. Already started painting them in house Steiner colors. The boys favorite colors! Gonna do some up as wolfs dragoons too I'm thinking. Hopefully catalyst has everything under control and we get reinforcements next year! Does anyone have any experience with good BattleTech decals?
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