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Hey all,

I was wondering if it was legal to put my Raptors on the larger Termie/Possessed bases as those chunks of metal keep deciding to fall over and due to the lovely fragile nature of their limbs tend to get borked during an average game.(Any kind of movement of gaming table and 2-4 go over)

I did a search but all I could find out was that the bases that came with the models are considered minimum correct? But is it far to go for max aswell? I know this would allow blast templates to have a field day but I'm not too pushed. Could even draw a circle or something but again not bothered. And yes I have tried the coin tricks but might try packing the base with green stuff if all else fails and I cant give it a bigger base.

BGB page 6, last sentence.

You can put a grot on a Wraithlords base, but can't put a wraithlord on a grot's.

As T-C stated, its in the book. Bigger is OK, smaller isn't.



good gaming

Ahh thanks lads. Sorry about the pointless thread then,Really gotta learn to check the rule book first. An entire section entitled "Models" yet somehow I missed it

Not a worry VC. None of us are perfect, or perfectly knowledgable. Thats why forums like this are good.

Sometimes we just don't see the forest.....

Thanks man, Now to throw a spanner in the works though. Do the entire squad have to be on the same base? I imagine they must but some of my guys are reasonably stable while others are utterly without balance. It doesn't say specifically that the entire squad must as it just talks about individual models but there is probably a requirement for uniformity.

One final thing,Is it possible to pile the bases up,IE glue the Raptor with the current small base be glued onto the bigger base.(Might paint the smaller base in the fire colour same as the flames at the bottom of the model)

I don't think anyone would have a problem with that. And no, you don't have to put them all on the same size base.

I have noticed that when I buy the new plastic terminators they come with both the small and big bases, so I am supposing either is okay.

- G

Ah thank you man. I'll end up putting them all on the same base, Only able to harvest so many from those unused possessed ,Will make things like Coherency and working out base to base combat easier after all,Though I think Ill be taking a beating from blast weapons

Thanks again Laserbait.

IF you don't want a lot of trouble just put washers onthe bottom with glue.

I use nickels instead of washers... that way I can honestly say my armies are worth something.

- G

GBF, is there any pics anywhere of your figs? I like the humorous humility tho, I am sure they look great.

What would you all say if I put 2 Termies in a 60mm base? I have about 100 of them, (traded/swapped blah blah) and did not have enough 40mm's. I have never used it in a tourney though(I am sure it would be illegal?!?) but my mates don't seem to mind. As soon as I can swap them for 2 on 40mm bases I do.(casualties!!)


Opinions/rules?

Insaniak-where are you?

Green Blow Fly wrote:I have noticed that when I buy the new plastic terminators they come with both the small and big bases, so I am supposing either is okay.

No. The new Terminators are supplied with 40mm bases. The teleport homer that comes in the box is supplied with a 25mm base. Just because they come in the same box doesn't mean that the model is supplied with both size bases.

akira5665 wrote:What would you all say if I put 2 Termies in a 60mm base?

From similar discussions I've seen over the last couple of years, it would seem that some people object to this sort of thing as it is not specifically allowed by the rules.

Others feel that if it's ok for Imperial Guard, it's ok for everyone else.

It does have a slight impact on how the model works (more vulnerable to templates, less vulnerable to blasts, different dynamics in close combat, wider footprint for deepstriking... most of which are no different to what would happen with single models on larger bases anyway), but so long as both players are aware that the models are seperate and just happen to be sharing a base, they function just fine.

I have never used it in a tourney though(I am sure it would be illegal?!?)

There were some pics floating around online a couple of years ago of an Eldar GT army from the US that had all of the Aspect Warriors mounted 3 to a 60mm base. Nobody seemed to have any real objection to it in that instance.

@ insaniak-Thanks for the interp. I wasn't too sure about those other aspects and how they influence DS and H2H.

Will prob mothball/display. Plenty of others to use!

This actually brings up a strange question I've never gotten a good answer for. I have tons of older terminators that all came with the small round slotta bases, but now the new ones all use those huge bases. Does this mean I have to rebase my termies, or can I stick with the one they came with?

uatu13 wrote:This actually brings up a strange question I've never gotten a good answer for. I have tons of older terminators that all came with the small round slotta bases, but now the new ones all use those huge bases. Does this mean I have to rebase my termies, or can I stick with the one they came with?

It is disputed. Some players say if the model was supplied with the 25mm base, you can use the 25mm base. Others say that as the new models are supplied with the 40mm base, you must swap all your terminators to the 40mm base.

I have about 40 old terminators, a lot from the Space Hulk game, that I will not rebase, partly because the 40mm base does not fit the Space Hulk corridors.

There are advantages and disadvantages to base size so I see no reason to insist on the large base.

Kilkrazy wrote:It is disputed. Some players say if the model was supplied with the 25mm base, you can use the 25mm base. Others say that as the new models are supplied with the 40mm base, you must swap all your terminators to the 40mm base.

It shouldn't be disputed as the rules are actually quite clear. From page 6 of the Warhammer 40,000 4th edition rulebook:

Games Workshop miniatures are usually supplied with a base and this should be viewed as the minimum size base they can be mounted on...

It's even clearer if you phrase it in the singular tense:

A Games Workshop miniature is usually supplied with a base and this should be viewed as the minimum size base it can be mounted on...

No ambiguity whatsoever. It doesn't matter what size base some other model came supplied with, it's the base that particular model came with that matters.

Hey Ghaz. Pretty clear/unclear, sorry Sir. (Maybe I cannot read properly either! )

So, if I read you correctly, the base the figure was supplied with is the 'legal' one?

Could that be abused, in that I say ALL of the Termies I have are older, and have 25mm bases? ?

It really makes a big difference to Deep -Striking is all.

There are a lot more people who know the rules better than me, although I am still re-reading my BGB for those 'out of the way' rulings.

Thanks for any help.

Doesn't matter if someone thinks it's 'abusive' or not because those are the rules. As has been pointed out, the smaller 25mm bases when Deep Striking are easier to get under a Blast Marker. The perceived advantages and disadvantages cancel each other out.

Fair enough. OTOH, If you were that 'y that you went and ripped off your 40mm bases and replaced them with 25's, then ONYA MATE!!

I wouldn't do it, but I bet there are those out there who would.......

Kilkrazy wrote:

uatu13 wrote:This actually brings up a strange question I've never gotten a good answer for. I have tons of older terminators that all came with the small round slotta bases, but now the new ones all use those huge bases. Does this mean I have to rebase my termies, or can I stick with the one they came with?

It is disputed. Some players say if the model was supplied with the 25mm base, you can use the 25mm base. Others say that as the new models are supplied with the 40mm base, you must swap all your terminators to the 40mm base.

The crux of the matter lies in that, metal termies are still being produced, and those still come with 25mm bases. Plastic termies also come with a set of 25mm bases.

So by GW's own rules, you may supply any terminator with a 25mm bases as its minimum, and make it larger from there.

Hellfury wrote:So by GW's own rules, you may supply any terminator with a 25mm bases as its minimum, and make it larger from there.

No because GW supplies the bases with the kit, not you. So only the older metal models that come from GW with the 25mm base may be placed on a 25mm base as those are the only ones supplied with that base size.

Ghaz wrote.

It shouldn't be disputed as the rules are actually quite clear. From page 6 of the Warhammer 40,000 4th edition rulebook:


Games Workshop miniatures are usually supplied with a base and this should be viewed as the minimum size base they can be mounted on...

It's even clearer if you phrase it in the singular tense:


A Games Workshop miniature is usually supplied with a base and this should be viewed as the minimum size base it can be mounted on...

No ambiguity whatsoever. It doesn't matter what size base some other model came supplied with, it's the base that particular model came with that matters.

I have never read that page till today. Thanks Ghaz.

Ghaz wrote:

Hellfury wrote:So by GW's own rules, you may supply any terminator with a 25mm bases as its minimum, and make it larger from there.

No because GW supplies the bases with the kit, not you.

Yes, GW does supply the bases with the kit and not me. Bad wording on my part there.

Ghaz wrote:So only the older metal models that come from GW with the 25mm base may be placed on a 25mm base as those are the only ones supplied with that base size.

Incorrect.

Not only are the older metal termies supplied in their packaging with 25mm bases by GW, but so are the newer plastic loyalist termie boxes as well. (I am not sure about the new plastic chaos termies though, I havent picked up any boxes of those yet)

So you may, by GW's own rules stated earlier in this thread, in fact, base the newer plastics on 25mm bases. (which is kind of silly, as termies dont fit well on 25mm bases at all, but thats not the point)

Two questions:

What do you do with a model that doesn't come with a base? For instance I used the Greater Demon of Nurgle from Forgeworld as a generic greater demon and no one ever complains. He is sitting on the base for the Lord of the Rings dragon model because it is the only base GW makes that is big enough for him. What size base should I use though to make him 'legal'.

Is there a limit to how much you can size up a base? I could put guardsman on massive 3 inch bases and cover the board with them with a minimum ammount of guardsmen. This goes along with the problem of the guy using drop pods to cover the middle of the board and hide behind them. There has to be a limit to this kind of thing.

Cogito

The rules don't have answers to either of your questions.

Hellfury wrote:

Ghaz wrote:

Hellfury wrote:So by GW's own rules, you may supply any terminator with a 25mm bases as its minimum, and make it larger from there.

No because GW supplies the bases with the kit, not you.

Yes, GW does supply the bases with the kit and not me. Bad wording on my part there.

Ghaz wrote:So only the older metal models that come from GW with the 25mm base may be placed on a 25mm base as those are the only ones supplied with that base size.

Incorrect.

Not only are the older metal termies supplied in their packaging with 25mm bases by GW, but so are the newer plastic loyalist termie boxes as well. (I am not sure about the new plastic chaos termies though, I havent picked up any boxes of those yet)

So you may, by GW's own rules stated earlier in this thread, in fact, base the newer plastics on 25mm bases. (which is kind of silly, as termies dont fit well on 25mm bases at all, but thats not the point)

No. You're mistaking the bases supplied with the teleport homer as being supplied for the terminators as well. They're not. Just because they both come in the same box does not mean the bases can be freely interchanged between the models

Ghaz wrote:No. You're mistaking the bases supplied with the teleport homer as being supplied for the terminators as well.

Would you care to illustrate where GW has stated that the 25 mm base is intended for use with the teleport homer, or are you simply assuming that it is?

Just to throw a further spanner into the works, none of my Plastic Termie boxes I've bought, loyalist or otherwise, came with ANY 25mm bases.