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Buoyancy wrote:

Ghaz wrote:No. You're mistaking the bases supplied with the teleport homer as being supplied for the terminators as well.

Would you care to illustrate where GW has stated that the 25 mm base is intended for use with the teleport homer, or are you simply assuming that it is?

Show me a picture of the new Terminators on a 25mm base. You're the one who's making assumptions that the 25mm bases are supplied for the Terminators with no evidence.

Ghaz wrote:Show me a picture of the new Terminators on a 25mm base. You're the one who's making assumptions that the 25mm bases are supplied for the Terminators with no evidence.

Really? I'm the one making assumptions when I'm the one who's actually following the rules? I don't have to provide you with any evidence beyond what has already been provided in this thread. The rules state that you may use the bases provided with the models. A 25 mm base is provided with the terminator model, and there is absolutely no further information from GW on what size of base to use. It is your claim that this base belongs to the teleport homer, and as such, you must supply the evidence that this is true. Your complete failure to provide any evidence, only indicates that no such evidence exists. Please avoid creating arguments that are purely based on what your imagination _thinks_ that the rules are, instead of how the rules are actually written.

I would actually go so far as to bet that GW included the 25mm base 'for the teleport homer' specifically to provide a loop hole in their own rules, so people who previously based their termies on 25mms can continue to do so.

Seems uncharacteristic, but never put it past GW to go out of their way to make marine players happy.

Buoyancy wrote:

Ghaz wrote:Show me a picture of the new Terminators on a 25mm base. You're the one who's making assumptions that the 25mm bases are supplied for the Terminators with no evidence.

Really? I'm the one making assumptions when I'm the one who's actually following the rules? I don't have to provide you with any evidence beyond what has already been provided in this thread. The rules state that you may use the bases provided with the models. A 25 mm base is provided with the terminator model, and there is absolutely no further information from GW on what size of base to use. It is your claim that this base belongs to the teleport homer, and as such, you must supply the evidence that this is true. Your complete failure to provide any evidence, only indicates that no such evidence exists. Please avoid creating arguments that are purely based on what your imagination _thinks_ that the rules are, instead of how the rules are actually written.

He's kind of gotcha there Ghaz. Anything else would have to rely on...intent

So how do we know what size base any miniature is supplied with then? At least I have evidence to support my claims. What does he have? Absolutely nothing.

So how do we know what size base any miniature is supplied with then?

It comes with it?

Just because it 'comes with it' doesn't mean it's the base 'supplied for it'

It doesn't need to be "supplied for" it, only "supplied with" it, as per pg 6 of the rulebook.

Sooooo, with the box of plastic terminators, how many 25mm bases are provided?

And how many larger bases?

You can mix them. So you shouldn't care about the number.

Oh, btw:
My St.Celestine came with 1 40mm and 5 25mm bases.
I field her as Canoness anyway, so I don't mind, but I do not know what made GW put 5 different sized bases into my blister...

yes you should care.
Was there 5 of the larger bases? maybe 4 or less of the smaller bases?
It is relevant

tegeus-Cromis wrote:It doesn't need to be "supplied for" it, only "supplied with" it, as per pg 6 of the rulebook.

And again, just because it came in the same box still doesn't mean the model was 'supplied with' that base. It was 'supplied with' the other model in the box that goes on that size base. If it hadn't been for that other model, then it would not have been supplied.

vogelfrei wrote:You can mix them. So you shouldn't care about the number.

And what gives you the idea that you can mix them? I see nothing that says that if a set comes with different bases for different models then you can choose either type of base for a particular model. It still boils down to one size base was supplied for one type of models while another size base was supplied for the other type of models.

Man, I tried to read what you said Ghaz, and I think I lost a few brain cells. Excellent popcorn material though.

The new plastic Terminators are 'supplied with' 40mm bases.

Teleport homers are 'supplied with' 25mm bases.

Just because they all come in one set doesn't mean that Terminators are 'supplied with' 25mm bases or that teleport homers are 'supplied with' 40mm bases. Each type of model is 'supplied with' the appropriate size base.

Terminators are supplied with 40mm bases.

Terminators are supplied with 25mm bases.

Teleport homers are supplied with 40mm bases.

Teleport homers are supplied with 25mm bases.

Terminators are supplied with teleport homers.

Teleport homers are supplied with Terminators.

40mm bases are supplied with 25mm bases.

25mm bases are supplied with 40mm bases.

All these statements are true of the Terminator box set by our everyday definition of "supplied with." If you believe the rules set uses another, more specific definition of it, well, page and para, please.

And once again, just because they all come in the same box does not mean that they are supplied with or for that particular model.

"Comes in the same box" is not the same thing as "Supplied with".

Actually, it is.

Skyth has a point there. Realistically you can tell the two from the cover, but again it infers a bit of intent.

Ghaz wrote:So how do we know what size base any miniature is supplied with then? At least I have evidence to support my claims.

No, you don't have any evidence whatsoever, and haven't done anything other than assert that terminators are not supplied with the bases that come in their packaging. Unsupported assertions are not evidence. They are no more useful than making random statements from your imagination.

skyth wrote:Actually, it is.

Actually, no it's not. The fact the two base sizes come in the same box doesn't mean the base sizes are interchangeable. If that were so, then the Necron Destroyers supplied that come in the Necron battle force could use 25mm bases since those bases come with the model. Granted, Warriors are also supplied as well as are 40mm bases.... Yet, no one would expect to see Necron Warriors using a 40mm base and a Destroyer using a 25mm base, now would they?

How is the battleforce a different case then the terminators? They can use either base! HOORAY!

TheGreatAvatar wrote:

skyth wrote:Actually, it is.

Actually, no it's not. The fact the two base sizes come in the same box doesn't mean the base sizes are interchangeable. If that were so, then the Necron Destroyers supplied that come in the Necron battle force could use 25mm bases since those bases come with the model. Granted, Warriors are also supplied as well as are 40mm bases.... Yet, no one would expect to see Necron Warriors using a 40mm base and a Destroyer using a 25mm base, now would they?

If it comes with the model in some way, shape, or form, it is supplied with the model. Basic definition of the term.

I cannot believe that this thread has gone for this long.

Ladz-the point is moot. RAI vs RAW with model packs. And I thought that the Codicies were hard enough, now we have to talk about

INTENT when discussing packaging............Jeeeeeeeez gimme a break.

Use whatever base you want.

Somehow I didn't think the new terminators woulf fit on a 25mm base. Aren't they all holding a wide legged stance?

I think I'll 'get creative' and start using US pennies for bases.

Of course that will mean modeling all my figs hopping on one foot.......

It seems the difference in interpreting the rules is in the definition of the word with. Simply because the terminator box comes with a 25mm base, can the terminators be modeled on them?

Relevant definition from dictionary.com:

1. accompanied by; accompanying

The rules state "the miniatures are supplied with a base". Looking at the contents of the box, it seems the terminator miniatures are supplied accompanied by 40 mm bases and the teleport homer is accompanied by a 25 mm base. This notion is evidenced here .

Spif, everything that comes in the box is "accompanying" everything else that comes in the box. When you buy a Happy Meal from McD's, no one expects you to dunk the toy in the sauce, but it doesn't mean the toy wasn't "supplied with" it.

Could you not use the same interpretation to place Crisis suits on the bases for gun drones with which they are bundled? I believe it says in the rule that they are "supplied with a base". This suggests that there is indeed one sized base intended for each miniature in the box. Otherwise a claim could be made that any item in the box is a "base" for the model if you fix the two together..

skyth wrote:If it comes with the model in some way, shape, or form, it is supplied with the model. Basic definition of the term.

Wrong. It "came with" the model in the same box, but it was not "supplied with" the base because it is meant for another model in the boxed set. Once again, "came with" and "supplied with" are not the same thing and are not interchangable terms.

Buoyancy wrote:

Ghaz wrote:So how do we know what size base any miniature is supplied with then? At least I have evidence to support my claims.

No, you don't have any evidence whatsoever, and haven't done anything other than assert that terminators are not supplied with the bases that come in their packaging. Unsupported assertions are not evidence. They are no more useful than making random statements from your imagination.

I have a lot more evidence then you have, that's for sure. I have pictures from GW showing the new Terminators on the 40mm bases showing me that GW intended for these bases to be used with the terminator models. What do you have? Nothing except a false claim that "comes with" and "supplied with" means the same thing. They are not. You don't have a single picture or shred of evidence, intended or otherwise to back up your position.

LOL, judging by the 2-page argument there isn't any set rule about which termie base sizes are correct to use for the metal guys.

Ghaz wrote:I have a lot more evidence then you have, that's for sure. I have pictures from GW showing the new Terminators on the 40mm bases showing me that GW intended for these bases to be used with the terminator models.

Really? Where are these supposed pictures? Since you haven't supplied any pictures, I'm simply going to assume that you are lying about what the pictures show. That is, after all, the only reasonable thing to do when dealing with somebody who thinks that "supplied with" has a different meaning than "comes in the same packaging".

What do you have? Nothing except a false claim that "comes with" and "supplied with" means the same thing. They are not.

Is some language other than English your first language Ghaz? I certainly hope so, because otherwise you are one of the most incredibly idiotic people I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with on the internet. Your interpretations of the rules are not, and never will be, the rules themselves. Your inability to understand basic English is amazing.