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Im new to eldar and my friend plays space marines. What should I use?

Star cannons still pack a punch, although nothing like they used to. Fire prism put a nice dent in there armor too.


In the current environment you will not find a list that is without:

10 x DA in warp serpent
10 x DA in warp serpent

and also the ever classic

6 x fire dragons in a falcon ( you may see some people opt for WS instead )

Also

2 x fire prism is becoming more popular due to the swarms of ork bikers.

To alot of these you can add a farseer with doom and/or fortune (spirit stones to be able to cast both)Read the dex rules on em, you'll see why.


Banshees in a wave serpent (Fast in a serpent, brittle 4+ sv on foot. str 3 pwr weps. Good en mass. Dont fight T7 beasites)

striking scorpian-s infiltrating, max squad (Lots of em. Loads of attacks. 3+ save. str 6 pwr claw)

Harlies with a shadowseer (allows you to get closer taking less shots. Rending is nice, ap 2 insta wound) Expensive.

Wraithlord. Watch out for krak missile & Powerfists (Wounds 3+, no save) It stomps and can shoot well (two wep slots @ bs 4)


Pathfinders - Great snipers. They get ap1 rolling to hit on 5-6 and thier rending (ap 2 on 6's to wound) so thats a fair few chances to get AP good wounds in. 2+ cover saves.


Fireprisms (two) for those tanks and if needs be a str 6 ap 3 large blast when linking (or a termie killer blast when not)


Well.. i could go on.. everything, if used properly/cleverly. & As a general rule Scatter laser Over starcannons (Theres been math. Scatter laser won. Long story)

Thanks for comments here is my list so far:

hq 145 Farseer Runes of warding,runes of witnessing,spirit stones,doom,mind war

hq 155 4 warlocks 1 spiritseer,destructor, 3x singing spear

elite 176 9 howling banshees exarch,mirrorswords,war shout,acrobatic

elite 191 9 striking scorpions exarch,scorpions claw,shadowstrike

elite 100 5 fire dragons exarch,flamer,crack shot,tank hunters

3x troops 100 10 DA exarch,shimmersheild,bladestorm

3x transport 125 wave serpent TL starcannons

troops 100 10 guardians starcannon

2x heavy 150 fire prism holo-fields

1750 points

just a couple of points for what looks like a pretty solid list.

1. Why the spiritseer? You have no wraithguard or wraithlords for them to control!
2. Starcannons for your serpents and guardians. I'd go Brightlances for anti-tank work, scatter lasers for anti-infantry and EML for utility.
3. What are your serpents transporting? You've put them under your DA's, but you really need transports for your banshees and dragons for them to be effective. With guardians and a foot council I'd footslog your DA's with them for mutual support. It may even be worth dropping the third serpent for some more guardians.

Add in a falcon somhow which you can then pair up with a footslogging concil or the firedragons, as game permits.

Then, because you havent got fortune (and dont need it due to the transport element) id say hq is goood.

Give the scorps stalker & the biting blade. Move through cover is useful, as they dont have fleet & every little helps. Biting blade vs those tanks and esp walkers. (Keep the claw)

Maybe take out a DA squad (wave serpent the other two) use those points to get that falcon leaving the guardains with a longer ranged EML (Blast str 4 ap 4 is always fun) to sit at home.

Swap one of those holofields to stick it on the falcon which will generally be moving up more (and maybe give it spirit stones too)

My 4 cents.

The Farseer can take those warlocks as a single HQ choice. It may not be a bad idea to throw a Autarch in the mix or a Avatar to keep those Guardians and DA's fearless. An Autarch gives +1 to reserves rolls. Put your Striking Scorps in a wave serpent in reserve and outflank those hard to get shooties in the back. This works really well with alot of Scorps. Take guide with the Farseer and use it on those fire prisms or Dark Reapers( str 5 ap3 weapons!). Be careful of drop pods and you fire prisms, drop pods can completely ruin your shoot from the back tactics. Hope this helps

Blackarandras wrote:Take guide with the Farseer and use it on those fire prisms or Dark Reapers( str 5 ap3 weapons!). Be careful of drop pods and you fire prisms, drop pods can completely ruin your shoot from the back tactics. Hope this helps

I've had really good luck with the Farseer/Reaper combo, as well!

1. Re-check your points costs I happen to know that 10 DA with a kitted out exarch costs 170 something
2. Re-check your math I count 1842 pts even with the values you have up there
3. Why does your FD exarch have a heavy flamer and crackshot? You want the re-rolled wounds that badly?

Thanks for all the comments! Im going to write a few lists and post my favorite.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:
1. Why the spiritseer? You have no wraithguard or wraithlords for them to control!

I didnt notice that until I posted the list. I was going to put a wraithlord in but I ran out of points.

der Wiskinator wrote:
Re-check your math I count 1842 pts even with the values you have up there.

Oops I wrote the list at 2 am without a calculator sorry about that.

Reapers are my favorite Marine killing unit. They usually kill off/cripple a squad a turn.

If your friend plays Space Marines, something you might find fun is taking some Scouts (upgrade to Pathfinders) and/or Eldar Missile Launchers on your Guardian units. Getting the odd pin on a unit of Space Marines is very very fun.

All of em! Bonus marks to Reapers + Guide and anything + Doom.

I'd take Harlies with kisses led by Shadowseer instead of Scorpions.
They are pretty scary to any MEQ army.

yeah
Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers and more Dark Reapers

strength5 AP3 with 48" range heavy2
they have 3+ armour save
just set them up in a good spot at the start, some tall ruins will do nicely.

A squad of 5 should kill at least 4 marines per turn. and if you add 'guide' to the mix it gets better.
a DR exarch with a tempest launcher will also do alot of damage!

Panic...

Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers and more Dark Reapers

Unless the Marines get a cover save. Or they could park a Rhino between the Marines and the Reapers.
It is rather easy to circumvent incoming fire from a static shooty unit.

wuestenfux wrote:

Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers, Reapers and more Dark Reapers

Unless the Marines get a cover save. Or they could park a Rhino between the Marines and the Reapers.
It is rather easy to circumvent incoming fire from a static shooty unit.

Yeah,
have you counted how many i told him to bring!?

Panic...

Panic, I guess you mean 3x 5 Dark Reapers. But then you filled all the HS slots. How does the army then look like. Eldar HS plays a major role...

yeah,
I don't know wxactly what list he should run... to be honest, all my lists fail! but the reapers seem to do good when I run them.
umm..

something like

HQ
farseer with guide
farseer with guide

Heavy
5 Reapers
5 Reapers
5 Reapers

wave serpent with brightlances
wave serpent with brightlances

and some troops...
(In my case the troops are either rangers or wraithguard)
plus what ever else he fancys... the wave serpents are just there as mobile brightlances...

Panic...

edit... farseers can't have waveserpents.......................

Well, some Fire Dragons in Serpents for anti-tank, two or three troop units (Pathfinders?).

Er...Farseers with Serpents??? How?!

yeah,
sorry, anyway the point is that the farseers stay with the reapers.
and that the waveserpents are used for the anti tank weapons uptop! I don't care what they carry inside or who they were bought for.

Panic.

Panic wrote:yeah,
sorry, anyway the point is that the farseers stay with the reapers.
and that the waveserpents are used for the anti tank weapons uptop! I don't care what they carry inside or who they were bought for.

Panic.

Yeah, that's an option.
The Serpents can tank shock, ram or contest.

Here is my favorite list that I have written so far:

Hq 145 Farseer runes of warding,runes of witnessing,spirit stones,guide,doom

Hq 130 Farseer same except no runes of warding

Elite 192 10 howling banshees exarch,mirrorswords,war shout,acrobatic

Transport 135 Wave serpent bright lance

Elite 115 5 fire dragons exarch,firepike,tank hunters

Troops 162 10 dire avengers exarch,power weapon and shimmershield,bldestorm

Troops 100 10 guardians eldar missle launcher

Troops 100 10 guardians eldar missle launcher

Troops 88 4 jetbikes

troops 120 5 pathfinders

Fast 75 1 vyper bright lance

Heavy 147 3 dark reapers Exarch,tempest launcher,crack shot

Heavy 105 3 dark reapers

heavy 140 falcon starcannon (the fire dragons would ride in this)

1754 points 65 models What should i drop so I can put in a unit of harlies?

Your hq's are messed up. A squad of banshees w/ a transport (+ star engines) = win.

Your farseer will wanna go with that unit. It will want doom and fortune. Or just doom depending on how gloomy you are (Bada ding!) The guiding farseer, w/ the darkreapers - doom will be a waste of time as its only 24' range & uve already got a doom thats gonna be way up the field. So stick fortume instead and have a 3+ rerollable for the dark reapers.

Max out a dark reaper squad & dont waste the slot.

Brightlances on the waveserpent (it really wants to go fast - 4+ cover save is also win) is bad. Shruikencannons will do.

Brightlance on the falcon is win. (works tandem with the pulse laser) For your anti MEQ youve got ur reapers. The pathfinders & falcon/dragon duo is enough for needed termie killing.

Jetbikes, add in a shruiken cannon? (Or are they land grabby types? If so drop it down to 3 and keep em in reserves from the start)

Drop those guardains. Kane the banshee waveserpent in 36' (with star engines) and then Kane it back again to pick up a DA squad. A lil risky but youve saved urself points. And it can actually pull of those distances thanks to those engines.

Add in another DA squad instead of the Guardains.

Take out the lone vyper.. Add in a fireprism (Does the job better, all round.) Your still down those two EMLS. So.. add in holofields to your fire prism to it can shoot for longer & make up for it.

The banshee farseer could well go with the dragons if you needed to injury termies, MC's or walkers. (As banshees will do bugger all against those types - it needs to go for slightly squisher targets)

Umm, 20 guardains replace by 10 DA's plus one of those 2 DA squads will have a wave serpent support.. Respectable. I could do the points but ill leave it up to you to if you wanna. If I could only say one thing - make sure ur farseers are equiped to do the role thier going to do and not overburdned (with things like 24'' doom on a 36-48'' range squad & guide with pure CC troop)

Here are some idea's that I have to go with your base plan. First I would maxout 1 unit of Dark Reapers and possibly give the exarch a EML with fast shot. I would scatch the other squad of Reapers to leave a HS slot open. The Faseer that is going with the Banshee's could have Doom, because it would likely be within 24" of a target that your Reaper's would like to shread. Bright Lances can be good on Wave Serpent if you bring two(serpents), because it will seem more deadly than the other serpent and the lesser one might be transporting a deadlier squad . So maybe the Falcon will be obsolite or all could be aranged to fit in the army. You still have 1 or 2 HS slots open, get rid of that lone Viper it will likely do nothing. Wraith Lords and Fire Prism's are good choices. Holo fields and star engines on any tanks you bring will really annoy your opponant and keep them alive(your tanks). As far as removing points to add stuff I would say juggle your Guardians and DA's around. DA's are much more useful in a transport than guardians but more points. Hope this helps

lol. Beat you to most of that Black..

Hmm.. EML + fast shot is quite awesome & allows for some nice AT support when no troops are sight-able. Keeps the squad @ 48' range. Also combats MC's

Crack shot & keep the reaper cannon. 36' range ganks the squad too much, IMO (they Can shoot at 48'', so shoot them at 48'') & the AT ability can be left to the AT elements.
Also not crazy expensive.

Razerous wrote:lol. Beat you to most of that Black..

Well, you must be a good Leader then. This is what I use in certain situations, not because you just posted simular idea's. Your advise is good and I think that DOOOM will benifit from viewing our post.

Sorry, didnt mean to nay-say your post & yes, DOOOM will be the better for the both of us. Im a terrible leader.

Why has everyone over looked wraithguard? AP2 and the ability to shoot up tanks and crush weak footsloggas, why not,, even 5 + warlock in WS [wave serpent] is fantastic