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That was fast. It was just one year ago that right-wing martial arts guru Chuck Norris was a sought-after "get" for the GOP presidential candidates like Mike Huckabee, who paraded the star of "Walker, Texas Ranger" around the nation after the anti-abortion actor endorsed him in the primaries.
But now it's 2009, Barack Obama is in the White House, and the inventor of chun kuk do is preaching the martial art of insurrection against the U.S. government. He also wants to run for -- and no, I'm not making this up -- "the president of Texas.":
The call by some right wing leaders for rebellion and for the military to refuse the commander in chief’s orders is joined by Chuck Norris who claims that thousands of right wing cell groups have organized and are ready for a second American Revolution. During an appearance on the Glen Beck radio show he promised that if things get any worse from his point of view he may “run for president of Texas.” The martial artist/actor/activist claims that Texas was never formally a part of the United States in the first place and that if rebellion is to come through secession Texas would lead the way.
Norris really comes close to crossing a line with this:
Norris claims that; “Thousands of cell groups will be united around the country in solidarity over the concerns for our nation.” The right wing cells will meet during a live telecast, "We Surround Them," on Friday March 13 at 5 p.m.
He closes with the words of Sam Houston followed by a plug for his next martial arts event.
“We view ourselves on the eve of battle."
You really have to almost laugh at some of this. For eight years, progressives were lambasted -- in the face of the most unpopular and arguably the worst American president since the Civil War -- as victims of "Bush derangement syndrome" or as "Kos Kooks." That was largely because in the face of a government that invaded another nation on bogus pretenses and violated laws on core issues like torture and domestic spying, a few people advocated impeachment, a deliberative process under the U.S. Constitution, and a tiny handful talked about things like moving to Canada.
Meanwhile, less than two months into the Obama administration, right-wingers are stocking the basement pantry, piling up the shotguns and organizing "cells," all with the help of a talk-show host who coincidentially became unhinged after he drove down the ratings at CNN Headline News, something that most people didn't think was possible. There's a lot to hash out in this country over the next few years but it's becoming more and more clear who respects the Constitution, and who does not
Maybe Chuck thinks the jokes we make about him are true. If only we'd known.
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Wow. I know he was something of right wing nut job but armed rebellion, less than 3 months into the presidency? Nice to see a healthy respect for democracy from you there Chuck!
In all honestly I imagine these were comments taken out of context. At least I hope they were. I really don't want to find out if that rumor about whats under his beard is true!
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Whoever wins, I think Britain should reassert our soveriegncy straight after. Strike whilst the iron is hot and that.
Though, perhaps a split in the US is exactly what it needs? It's a massive country, and to my knowledge, the largest democracy in the world, in terms of sheer popultion.
The larger the population, the harder it is to please everyone. Now, armed rebellion is frankly pathetic and just a bunch of extreme right arseholes acting the big man. However well equipped they think they might, they are no match for the US army who will spank them like little redhead stepchildren in extremely short order.
I feel another thread coming on...
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Though, perhaps a split in the US is exactly what it needs? It's a massive country, and to my knowledge, the largest democracy in the world, in terms of sheer popultion.
India.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
That and you have to remember something...
If the US did splinter... the military is going to do the exact same thing. So whatever military survives the first 24 hours of shooting/splitting is going to be alot weaker then it currently is.
I highly doubt the likely-hood of such an occurrence. The problem with the assumption of this whole "sovereign texas" thing, is that everything is based on the unfounded assumption that Texans will flock to chuck norris' banner... should he even do such a thing.
It's not like all texan's agree wth Chuck, and even if they did, it is unlikely that there are as many of these "cells" as he suggested that are willing to take up arms against O'bama's administration.
Rebellion movements require popular support more than anything, and I don't see them getting the kind of support that they would need with the o'bama administration's style of diplomacy. The popular sympathy would be relatively easy to garner if Military forces just nuked everything... but that would only really happen if we were still under the bush administration. Nowadays we nuke everything... but nicely.
And as to the military splitting: I'm sure that the same kind of mental retooling that turns citizens into soldiers could make them turn their guns on whatever republic of texas Chuck norris runs for
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97% of people have useless and blatantly false statistics in their sigs, if you are one of the 8% who doesn't, paste this in your sig to show just what a rebel you are
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97% of people have useless and blatantly false statistics in their sigs, if you are one of the 8% who doesn't, paste this in your sig to show just what a rebel you are
Where were all these guys when the Patriot Act was passed?
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
Well, perhaps it would be for the best. All of the different republics would be too busy skirmishing with each other, then the Russian/Chinese war machine would take over and then finally we would have a world government. It's gonna happen eventually, what does it really matter who's in charge?
warpcrafter wrote:Well, perhaps it would be for the best. All of the different republics would be too busy skirmishing with each other, then the Russian/Chinese war machine would take over and then finally we would have a world government. It's gonna happen eventually, what does it really matter who's in charge?
All of what different republics?
I don't think that China is ready to make a move like that quite yet... and definitely not Russia. I'm not sure it's still recovered from it's deficits after the cold war
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97% of people have useless and blatantly false statistics in their sigs, if you are one of the 8% who doesn't, paste this in your sig to show just what a rebel you are
The united states military has such a mix of people, that no one unit could turn-coat without tearing it's self apart. Everybody is shipped to another part of the country/world and mixed up that it's impossible. Say a wing went rogue, they support staff would not. and even if they did, the supply base they get gas and parts wouldn't. The military, being citizen-soldiers, would be loathed to fire on their familiy and friends. Things are not split north and south like before. An uprising would have to deal with a majority of the country not agreeing with, and activly fighting them. If push came to shove, the world would help out the Democrat side, seeing as the Right-wing side(under bush) has piss off the whole world. Hell the Legal Administration would be able to draw on large sums of money. Who would the Right wingers depend on, The job stealing Mexicans below them? The evil socialist Europeans? The Axis of Evil, Cummunist Asia? The All of them are terrorest Middle east?
When you burn your bridges you find, yourself really friendless. I'd Love to see them get the pick up trucks shotguns and Texas rangers, Fight for 2 weeks, and run out of bullets, food, medical supplies, maps, clothing, and the 1,000 other things you need to run a uprising when you don't have the majority of the country on your side. I actually want Chuck to try.
And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
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warpcrafter wrote:Well, perhaps it would be for the best. All of the different republics would be too busy skirmishing with each other, then the Russian/Chinese war machine would take over and then finally we would have a world government. It's gonna happen eventually, what does it really matter who's in charge?
All of what different republics?
I don't think that China is ready to make a move like that quite yet... and definitely not Russia. I'm not sure it's still recovered from it's deficits after the cold war
The remnants of a second American civil war. I believe it would result in at least three separate smaller nations being formed. The Republic of Texas, the eastern US and the western US. The Texans would probably take over part of southern Mexico and some of the southern and southwestern state as well.
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The remnants of a second American civil war. I believe it would result in at least three separate smaller nations being formed. The Republic of Texas, the eastern US and the western US. The Texans would probably take over part of southern Mexico and some of the southern and southwestern state as well.
What, the Jericho scenario?
Which, by the way, even assuming that the west coast is out of the picture entirely, is Epic Failure for Cheyanne, as all the important military bases are east of the Mississippi.
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warpcrafter wrote:Well, perhaps it would be for the best. All of the different republics would be too busy skirmishing with each other, then the Russian/Chinese war machine would take over and then finally we would have a world government. It's gonna happen eventually, what does it really matter who's in charge?
All of what different republics?
I don't think that China is ready to make a move like that quite yet... and definitely not Russia. I'm not sure it's still recovered from it's deficits after the cold war
The remnants of a second American civil war. I believe it would result in at least three separate smaller nations being formed. The Republic of Texas, the eastern US and the western US. The Texans would probably take over part of southern Mexico and some of the southern and southwestern state as well.
What scenarios would cause a split like that? I don't see anything that could lead one to believe that the U.S. would split along those lines.
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The texans can't take mexico. It does have a military, and ruthless drug cartels. Not to mention the mexicans and other minorities in texas would work aginst them. texas doesn't make enough food to feed itself or steel to fix it's war machines. the states rely to much on good from other states, and they in turn rely on imports. What military could they raise, or better yet how would they be in any position to invade after a war of sesseion. Even if they took over every military base. The goverment would just Un link them from the main informatin system, reducing them to trying to use the normal web to send, resive orders. then the Internet would be locked down in texas, cell phone satillites would be ordered not send or recieve signals, the gulf would be blockaded. The biggest cities with huge minority populations would be uncontrolable, with riots and food running out and all roads into or out of Texas guarded. I'd give a Texas rebellion 6 months tops, with fighting the first week, and people just suffering the rest of the time.
Texas trying to Invade mexico would lead to a sad fate as Mexico is part of the UN, And had more than 15 Mutual protection pacts.
And on top of all of this, With 62% on the Administration's side and 22% on the Right wings side, they don't have anywere near the support.
Come on Chuck, it aint gonna happen.
And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole
I don't think that China is ready to make a move like that quite yet... and definitely not Russia. I'm not sure it's still recovered from it's deficits after the cold war
Uh, the USSR didn't accrue debt during the Cold War. Faced between accruing debt and letting some peasants starve, the Soviets chose the latter. Debt did explode post-Cold War, when all this money flooded in from the IMF, which was then mismanaged and shifted into the private hands of well connected Russians. But even that debt was paid off, I think 2006 or 2007.
The bigger problem with Russia is that their GDP is smaller than Spain. To the extent that Spain is a middle-tier player, so is Russia.
China... well you can start with the problem that the US at the height of its power lacked the dominance to rule the world, and China is nowhere near the US' present capability, let alone the US at it's most dominant. Then you can add that China's utter lack of force projection capability.
Meanwhile, this thread is crazy. Exactly what would cause part of the US to fight another part? And forget wondering how Texas would invade Mexico, ask yourself why? Mexico barely wants Mexico, what would Texas do with it?
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Though, perhaps a split in the US is exactly what it needs? It's a massive country, and to my knowledge, the largest democracy in the world, in terms of sheer popultion.
India.
That's also a good example of a country where partition worked out really well... Really! </sarcasm>
Anyways, why is this surprising. Before 9/11 when somebody said "terrorist" most people thought of right wing militias. Things are just returning to the way they were in the Clinton years.
Edit: sarcasm tag in case the point didn't come across right.
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Whoever wins, I think Britain should reassert our soveriegncy straight after. Strike whilst the iron is hot and that.
Though, perhaps a split in the US is exactly what it needs? It's a massive country, and to my knowledge, the largest democracy in the world, in terms of sheer popultion.
The larger the population, the harder it is to please everyone. Now, armed rebellion is frankly pathetic and just a bunch of extreme right arseholes acting the big man. However well equipped they think they might, they are no match for the US army who will spank them like little redhead stepchildren in extremely short order.
I feel another thread coming on...
Bring it MDG.
Can't be. I didn't get the memo. Oh wait thats the night the second to last episode of Battlestar Galactica is on. Call it off boys, Olmos getting ready to kick Cylon butt!
This is a nonstarter. There have been weirdo militias claiming Texas will secede ever since it, well seceded... Usually three or four tax evaders eventually rounded up by the local sheriff. Nothing like Montana or Pennsylvania militia types. And our neighborhood militia will only be activated in case of Smurf or Zombie attack
Interestingly, Texas has the right to secede written at the time of the merger with the USA. It was a condition.
Texas trying to Invade mexico would lead to a sad fate as Mexico is part of the UN, And had more than 15 Mutual protection pacts.
Why does that statement not especially scare anyone except Latvia?
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This is a nonstarter. There have been weirdo militias claiming Texas will secede ever since it, well seceded... Usually three or four tax evaders eventually rounded up by the local sheriff.
Wait....Obama's cabinet is secessionist ?
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All I know is if Texas ever does try to secede, I will be on the first bus out. I am American before Texan even though I was born in Texas. The wing nuts can have it.
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I don't see anything that could lead one to believe that the U.S. would split along those lines.
