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No wonder Bruce Lee kicked his arse. Wish *he* was still around.

Fallen668 wrote:All I know is if Texas ever does try to secede, I will be on the first bus out. I am American before Texan even though I was born in Texas. The wing nuts can have it.

No way Texas is let out of the Union. Substantially higher federal tax revenues are given to the Feds then received.

In contrast to KaleeeefornnniA.

Frazzled wrote:This is a nonstarter. There have been weirdo militias claiming Texas will secede ever since it, well seceded... Usually three or four tax evaders eventually rounded up by the local sheriff. Nothing like Montana or Pennsylvania militia types. And our neighborhood militia will only be activated in case of Smurf or Zombie attack

Yeah, these guys are recycled. In the '80s, they were all "survivalists" and wanna-be "mercenaries." In the '90s they became "militias." Then in this decade they started calling themselves "border patrols" and such.

In any era you can just call them the reddest of the rednecks. They're so right-wing, they go straight past fascism and Nazi, take a perpendicular turn, spin a few times aimlessly, do a triple salchow and land firmly on "nut."

These are the people you ignore because they're very, very stupid. And it's *hilarious* that Norris is one of them.

Meh, we had our chance in the 1800's and look how well that turned out. Secession is one thing - ARMED secession is another more deadly animal. All the 'zealots' out there only want to cause trouble not realizing that if they got in charge some other zealots would try to overthrow them in turn.

I read in our local paper last year that there was a meeting in Tennessee of groups from different states that favored secession from the union. Southern and Western states usually get all the press on such things (as we are stereotyped as ignorant po-dunks anyway), but there were quite a few Northern states represented as well - the New England ones suprised me.

Anyway, I guess Chuck got caught up in his Walker - Texas Ranger roll. The thousands of rounds shot at him in that movie and not even a scratch. Guess he thinks that will work when the real bullets start flying.

One, you're forgetting the crazy-wacko-math. Divide by a hundred. So, Chuck is really talking about groups in the tens, not thousands. Replace groups with 'my drinking buddies'. So, Chuck and 10-20 of his drinking buddies think Texas should secede.

Also realize, that the key to seccession is getting someone else to recognize you as a soverign state as soon as you secede. If no other foreign power recognizes you, then it's just an internal civil war. I could see someone like Iran or Libya recognizing a soverign nation of Texas (or Tennessee or any other state), but not the UN. And with the UN in play, it makes it a lot harder than it was for the Confederates, who only had to convince a couple countries in Europe.

There's always people who think they'd be better off without the federal government. They forget about things like mail delivery, interstate commerce and utilities, currency, and -oh yeah- a standing military. The fed does a lot of things wrong, but they do a lot of things right.

What someone like Norris should do, instead of preaching secession, is realize that every 2 years, America can have a bloodless coup - it's call elections. Either run for office and look to make changes, or form a PAC (Political Action Committee) and either go after politicians you don't like (which might be all of them) or just look to support ones you do. Or don't even mess with the politics, find some pet causes and push them. Then get Geraldo to show up with a camera. Something like border security. I can see it now, Norris and Geraldo with night vision cameras watching people sneak accross the border - then cut to Chuck saying how that could be Al Qaeda smuggling a dirty bomb into the country, and why aren't our politicians securing the borders?

Holy crap, how did I miss this? Norris needs to sit down and STFU. The last thing we Texans need is someone who is little more than an Internet joke trying to represent us.

/edit: Not that we haven't had similar leaders like that before, or anything...*cough*

Since the USA has a veto from its permanent seat on the UN security council, it seems unlikely that a resolution by the UN recognising an independent Texas would get approved.

Wait are you guys taking the ramblings of an "entertainer" seriously?

Uh... no different than the incoherent babblings of the dixie chix or streisand or any of those idiots.

Ya know I heard Spongebob Squarepants is off in a bunker somewhere plotting to kill free enterprise.
And raise the cost of figs and dates,
And wreck our compound interest rates.
And shut our schools,
And steal our jewels,
And even change our football rules.
Take away our garden tools,
And lock us up in vestibules...

Shyeah.

The Vestibule if you are lucky.

Charlton Heston was an entertainer and a lot of people took his ramblings seriously.

Kilkrazy wrote:Charlton Heston was an entertainer and a lot of people took his ramblings seriously.

That's because he had the World War 2 Service record to back it up. Plus, y'know, that whole President of the NRA thing.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Whoever wins, I think Britain should reassert our soveriegncy straight after. Strike whilst the iron is hot and that.

We should put in a claim for Virginia at least.

utan wrote:Wait are you guys taking the ramblings of an "entertainer" seriously?

Whether or not you take them seriously actors like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Clint Eastwood and above all Ronald Reagan did manage to find time in their busy entertainment schedules for politics.

Orlanth wrote:We should put in a claim for Virginia at least.

How about California? If you take California, we'll throw in Guam. And a set of steak knives.

They're so right-wing, they go straight past fascism and Nazi, take a perpendicular turn, spin a few times aimlessly, do a triple salchow and land firmly on "nut."

I like that line. May I use that as a quote, gorgon?

Platuan4th wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Charlton Heston was an entertainer and a lot of people took his ramblings seriously.

That's because he had the World War 2 Service record to back it up. Plus, y'know, that whole President of the NRA thing.

Actually those were the ramblings I was talking about.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Charlton Heston was an entertainer and a lot of people took his ramblings seriously.

That's because he had the World War 2 Service record to back it up. Plus, y'know, that whole President of the NRA thing.

Actually those were the ramblings I was talking about.

So facts backed up with a certifiable paper trail are ramblings now?

dietrich wrote:

Orlanth wrote:We should put in a claim for Virginia at least.

How about California? If you take California, we'll throw in Guam. And a set of steak knives.

It won't work because if California secedes Schwarzenegger can finally get to be a president!

Now that is TV worth watching.

Platuan4th wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Charlton Heston was an entertainer and a lot of people took his ramblings seriously.

That's because he had the World War 2 Service record to back it up. Plus, y'know, that whole President of the NRA thing.

Actually those were the ramblings I was talking about.

So facts backed up with a certifiable paper trail are ramblings now?

Did you see him with Michael Moore in Bowling for Columbine?

Kilkrazy wrote:Did you see him with Michael Moore in Bowling for Columbine?

LOL. Michael Moore is such a useless waste of flesh. Did you see the documentary where they attempted to simply interview Michael Moore and he did everything he could to avoid them because he knew he would make a fat fool of himself because he actually doesn't know what he's talking about?

I'd get up an walk out myself if he asked for an interview then ambushed me with a question about why an organization about guns held an already scheduled meeting after a shooting just to get a rise out of me to see me explode on camera and use it to enforce a point.

I'm sorry, but Michael Moore doesn't point out what's wrong with America, he IS what's wrong with America.

Kilkrazy wrote:Charlton Heston was an entertainer and a lot of people took his ramblings seriously.

Did they?

I just think it is amusing that the first half of this thread was seriously discussing chuck norris running an underground resistance to the US gov't. and becoming the new president of the Confederate American States!

'Tis akin to the Dr. Seuss conspiracy theories I quoted above...

Platuan4th wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Did you see him with Michael Moore in Bowling for Columbine?

LOL. Michael Moore is such a useless waste of flesh. Did you see the documentary where they attempted to simply interview Michael Moore and he did everything he could to avoid them because he knew he would make a fat fool of himself because he actually doesn't know what he's talking about?

I'd get up an walk out myself if he asked for an interview then ambushed me with a question about why an organization about guns held an already scheduled meeting after a shooting just to get a rise out of me to see me explode on camera and use it to enforce a point.

I'm sorry, but Michael Moore doesn't point out what's wrong with America, he IS what's wrong with America.

We have our own TV journalists who act like that. The one that comes to mind most is John Sweeney. He isnt a journalist, but an ambush predator only effective if he gets a swoop in.

Everyone knows, that if Texas actually tried to secede, Oklahoma would beat them down - just like they do in football!

You have started playing football now, I thought you played armoured rugby, with bouncing girls on the sidelines.

I suppose those cheerleaders are there to make the 'sport' interesting.

Orlanth wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Whoever wins, I think Britain should reassert our soveriegncy straight after. Strike whilst the iron is hot and that.

We should put in a claim for Virginia at least.

Only if you pay every resident of the Old Dominion with $3k worth of GW figures of their choosing

I'm loving all of the well thought out responses to this.

My favorite so far is where someone whom is considering taking up arms against an overly powerful, world dominating, non-democratic, one party government is viewed as being beyond Nazi.

The next is that anyone who is passionate enough to work towards a new or different governmental structure through any means necessary has to be an uneducated redneck.

Then, there are the uneducated speculative statements on how Texas would fair if it became a sovriegn nation. Hint, Texas is a part of the U.S. because the U.S. needs Texas more than Texas needs the U.S.(Where would the U.S. send all of its convicts)

Seriously, The tone is coming across as if someone isn't happy with the direction of this government then they are either:

A) Stupid
B) Redneck
C) Nazi
D) All of the above

There is no consideration or interest in finding out if there are valid grievances. Whats funny is that you can have a complete whack job say something but it doesn't make the statement any less true if it is indeed true.

The attitudes I'm seeing here remind me of the arrogance that left Pearl Harbor wide open. There was credible evidece of a problem but because we believed no one would be dumb enough to attack directly we americans left ourselves wide open.

Someone bragged of the Obama adimins diplomacy yet all I've seen is exactly what the previous 2 adiministrations did. Lip service to diplomacy while ramming their agenda down the throats of any dissenters(Yes this is a bi-lateral/bi-partisan but if you suggest something other than whats on the table we'll just ignore you while we still call it bi-partisan). IMHO Everything that I've heard so far from this admin is business as usual in D.C.. Doesn't mean that I agree with extremist inflammatory comments, just that their complaints can be just as valid and as deserving of consideration.

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Platuan4th wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Did you see him with Michael Moore in Bowling for Columbine?

LOL. Michael Moore is such a useless waste of flesh. Did you see the documentary where they attempted to simply interview Michael Moore and he did everything he could to avoid them because he knew he would make a fat fool of himself because he actually doesn't know what he's talking about?

I'd get up an walk out myself if he asked for an interview then ambushed me with a question about why an organization about guns held an already scheduled meeting after a shooting just to get a rise out of me to see me explode on camera and use it to enforce a point.

I'm sorry, but Michael Moore doesn't point out what's wrong with America, he IS what's wrong with America.

He's a great film maker though.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:

Orlanth wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Whoever wins, I think Britain should reassert our soveriegncy straight after. Strike whilst the iron is hot and that.

We should put in a claim for Virginia at least.

Only if you pay every resident of the Old Dominion with $3k worth of GW figures of their choosing

Fine only if the appicable lines consist entirely of different poses of good loyal Redcoats, we will try and fit Made in England on the slottabase.
Then at least we get to indoctinate you and get our monies worth.

Do you have any oil in Virginia, it would be nice to know what we are getting?

focusedfire wrote:My favorite so far is where someone whom is considering taking up arms against an overly powerful, world dominating, non-democratic, one party government is viewed as being beyond Nazi.

Glad you liked it, but get the quote right. I said "so right-wing, they go straight past fascism and Nazi, take a perpendicular turn, spin a few times aimlessly, do a triple salchow and land firmly on 'nut.'"

The implication, of course, is that anyone cooking up schemes to secede from the U.S. while in the comfort of their double-wide parked in a flood plain is impossible to categorize as either left- or right-wing. And that's because they're likely lacking in any real political philosophy other than "Red Dawn was a cool movie." Although I suppose "potential domestic terrorist" would be a pretty good label.

Ther next is that anyone who is passionate enough to work towards a new or different governmental structure through any means necessary has to be an uneducated redneck.

No, I still prefer "potential domestic terrorist." Timothy McVey had the exact same passion.

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