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I disagree, but won't go into it, I think I've derailed the thread on that subject enough. Besides, I completely respect your right to have a differing opinion.
On subject, I think Chuck may have finally lost it(or is finally letting it out in public).
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LoL. First, Chuck is talking about using "cells" to undermine the Government,and set himself up as Pres of texas... We have to take it as a joke(because it is). Otherwise It sounds like simply like what the terrorist are trying to do.
Second Just because you don't like the way China does things, is no reason to war with them, So yes it is being beyond nazi, because that what Hitler did.
3rd If your passionate enough to fight for a new government, then build a coalition and every four, six, or two years, vote for the person you want to win. Simply wanting to overthrow the goverment because the guys you wanted to win lost, is a spit in the face to every thing the country stands for, and means you just want to be a TYRANT, so you can make all the rules you want unopposed. It's worse than being an uneducated redneck.
4th, I've been in the military for 9 years, I am hardly uneducated about military matters. Texas would starve, Phone cell phone and Internet service would be shut off. powerplants will be bombed, roads and rivers blockaded. Not even Iran or syria would help, seeing as Bush would be there, Who would lead, Bush or Chuck, What would they use for money, how would they handle the big, minority filled, cities? How could you defend the flat open ground. How would you command troops out of earshot? These questions are not uneducated, any general worth the skin he is made out of would have to aswer them and a whole host of others.
Lastly nobody said don't have any issues with Obama, He messes up like every other person that has ever lived. Saying that you cant wait 4 years to replace him and must try a bloody civil war that ends in Chuck Norris being the president of texas, is uneducated. Oh, What the hell does pearl harbur have to do with anything, it's like saying "This is what killed the dinosaurs."
And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole
@Killkrazy- Pls remember that this is all IMO and based upon personal perception of what seperate parties should be. So in these ways:
In the same way that the debates are run by the debate corporation. A Corp founded by former heads of both national comitees and funded by the major Corps. The Debate Corp decides on who will get national exposure as a credible candidate and refuses to allow the candidates from outside the 2 established parties to be represented. The only exception was right after the corp was founded Ross Perot was allowed but only after great personal expense to get the same media coverage.
The same way that both parties are lobbied and accept money from the same sources to make sure the same laws are passed no matter what.
The same way that both established parties and the corporationswork in concert to keep any other/new parties from having equal time in the national media. When both parties work in concert to maintain there supremacy over newer organizations they in effect become one party.
The same way that the U.S. is a republic that pays lip service to democracy but not an actual democracy except on the most basic local levels.
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Officially elevated by St. God of Yams to the rank of Scholar of the Church of the Children of the Eternal Turtle Pie at 11:42:36 PM 05/01/09
If they are too stupid to live, why make them?
In the immortal words of Socrates, I drank what??!
Whoever wins, I think Britain should reassert our soveriegncy straight after. Strike whilst the iron is hot and that.
We should put in a claim for Virginia at least.
Only if you pay every resident of the Old Dominion with $3k worth of GW figures of their choosing
Fine only if the appicable lines consist entirely of different poses of good loyal Redcoats, we will try and fit Made in England on the slottabase.
Then at least we get to indoctinate you and get our monies worth.
Do you have any oil in Virginia, it would be nice to know what we are getting?
No, its better. Virginia has coal, lots of coal.
We came from the West Virginia coal mines, and the Rocky Mountains and the Western Skies...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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@ Sexiest- being in the military is a false claim to authority. I served in the military, doesn't mean that your a genius. Matter of fact, the first experience I had with why other Nations don't care for us came from watching these geniuses in europe and their arrogance toward local customes and culture. I think it was at least once a week I'd hear some American idiot say to a german national "Speak English, This is our F*****G country"
At the second point. Hitler just went to war without warning. These people are saying that they feel pushed and if something doesn't change they're gonna take action. Two very different approachs. Actually the approach of demonizing then dismissing an opposing point of view was a hallmark of Hitlers Totalitarianism. Thats why name calling is bad in a debate.
Third point sounds great until you realize that under tthe patriot act that those attempts to create functioning alternative parties is technically subversion. Even if the government doesn't shut you down on that point you have a corporate controlled media that refuses to follow federal equal time guidelines for the smaller parties.
Fourth, as either first or second largest food producing state Texas would not starve. There are 3 power grids in the U.S.. West coast, East Coast, and Texas.
Now I was pointing out if Texas seceeded without a war but if you want to examine that.
How would the army get its troops and tanks seeing as a disproportionat amount of the bases are in Texas and the Rail systems that are used to transport them have there hubs there. What happens if Texas shuts off and destroys the natural gas&oil lines going to the rest of the country? What if they did this in the heart of winter?
Doubtful that if it went that far that Texas would be the only state to do so. How does America handle such with the majority of its combat forces deployed overseas?This is why Clinton violated the Constitution and signed an agreement guaranteeing U.N. intervention in such a case and allowing the U.N. the right to station foriegn troops on amercan soil.
No, these things should not be dismissed lightly and instead of arrogantly dismissing these peoples concerns maybe we should try to work to solve these differences.
Officially elevated by St. God of Yams to the rank of Scholar of the Church of the Children of the Eternal Turtle Pie at 11:42:36 PM 05/01/09
If they are too stupid to live, why make them?
In the immortal words of Socrates, I drank what??!
Whoever wins, I think Britain should reassert our soveriegncy straight after. Strike whilst the iron is hot and that.
We should put in a claim for Virginia at least.
Only if you pay every resident of the Old Dominion with $3k worth of GW figures of their choosing
Fine only if the appicable lines consist entirely of different poses of good loyal Redcoats, we will try and fit Made in England on the slottabase.
Then at least we get to indoctinate you and get our monies worth.
Do you have any oil in Virginia, it would be nice to know what we are getting?
No, its better. Virginia has coal, lots of coal.
We came from the West Virginia coal mines, and the Rocky Mountains and the Western Skies...
Don't need coal. We've got plenty of coal. Anthracite.
Natural gas might be useful. We're running out of that.
And then there are folks out there who (gasp!) don't think a democracy is the perfect form of government at all. Escpecially what we have today as opposed to what was set up when the USA was founded. These people believe that your average citizen isn't educated (or smart) enough to be depended upon to make the correct decisions to run a country. Having taken a look at our educational system through the eyes of my roomate's nephew, who couldn't tell you who Theodore Roosevelt is, or Winston Churchill for that matter, (Or even Bill Clinton!), I have to say that I don't entirely disagree with them. The kid will be old enough to vote soon, and I wouldn't trust him to decide how to boil water. I'm not offering up alternatives, because thruthfully I don't know of any that are better. I'd just like to point out that democracy isn't the only form of government that's viable, and it definitely isn't the most efficient.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
Whoever wins, I think Britain should reassert our soveriegncy straight after. Strike whilst the iron is hot and that.
We should put in a claim for Virginia at least.
Only if you pay every resident of the Old Dominion with $3k worth of GW figures of their choosing
Fine only if the appicable lines consist entirely of different poses of good loyal Redcoats, we will try and fit Made in England on the slottabase.
Then at least we get to indoctinate you and get our monies worth.
Do you have any oil in Virginia, it would be nice to know what we are getting?
No, its better. Virginia has coal, lots of coal.
We came from the West Virginia coal mines, and the Rocky Mountains and the Western Skies...
Don't need coal. We've got plenty of coal. Anthracite.
Natural gas might be useful. We're running out of that.
You can turn coal into petroleum products.
I'm not offering up alternatives, because thruthfully I don't know of any that are better. I'd just like to point out that democracy isn't the only form of government that's viable, and it definitely isn't the most efficient.
Vote for me. I'll make the trains run on time
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The USA like all modern democracies is a representative democracy, in which the electorate choose representatives who actually do the voting and make the decisions about governing the country.
In theory, the elected representatives are supported in the decision making process by expert groups such as scientists and statisticians who offer scientific advice on what decisions to make. Unfortunately, as in the UK recently, the representatives may totally disregard the evidence and vote on the basis of the latest Daily Mail headline.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
Wow, this topic got red hot since yesterday.
I'm not really sure if I could add anything substential to that, but I think it would be quite interesting if Texas actually did split from the U.S.
I mean, no one said it would have to be a violent decision.
Here in germany, there's actually a (pretty small) political party whose goal is the independence of the state of Bavaria (Bayern), so I guess it's not really a new idea.
The one thing that bugs me about this discussion right now, is that some people talked about China and Russia taking over, which actually makes me a little paranoid since I've been playing Fallout 3 a lot in the last 3 weeks
Quick question. Who do you think influnces national policy more? The people or the owners of the Federal Reserve?
I ask because I don't know anymore and am looking for outside perspective.
When I was young I remember individuals actually coming up with ideas and getting those ideas pushed through. These days it seems that almost all of the laws are corporate sponsored.
Officially elevated by St. God of Yams to the rank of Scholar of the Church of the Children of the Eternal Turtle Pie at 11:42:36 PM 05/01/09
If they are too stupid to live, why make them?
In the immortal words of Socrates, I drank what??!
VP Nominee Sarah Palin was criticized for attending the annual convention of a group of Alaska sepratists, for serveral years, iirc.
My guess is that about 48 states have some group that wants to secede. And the two outliers being California and Flordia. There was/is a group that wants Cali split into North Cali and South Cali, but I don't think they want to secede from the Union. And in Florida, I think the population is too old to support the idea. And people would need passports to go to Disney World, so Disney won't support it either.
In the dark future, there are skulls for everyone. But only the bad guys get spikes. And rivets for all, apparently welding was lost in the Dark Age of Technology. -from C.Borer
VP Nominee Sarah Palin was criticized for attending the annual convention of a group of Alaska sepratists, for serveral years, iirc.
My guess is that about 48 states have some group that wants to secede. And the two outliers being California and Flordia. There was/is a group that wants Cali split into North Cali and South Cali, but I don't think they want to secede from the Union. And in Florida, I think the population is too old to support the idea. And people would need passports to go to Disney World, so Disney won't support it either.
In the dark future, there are skulls for everyone. But only the bad guys get spikes. And rivets for all, apparently welding was lost in the Dark Age of Technology. -from C.Borer
Surely it doesn't matter that the guy who is doing the "shouting" is an "actor" who is little more than an internet joke in many people's eyes. Hitler was a short, failed artist with a silly mustache. It doesn't matter who it is, only that people will listen and there are always people willing to listen. Ignoring them only makes them want to shout louder.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
JohnHwangDD wrote:Clearly, having a Democrat in office inspires the craziness to new heights.
Bring back Bush!
Hell if we're going to suggest things that we know are not going to happen:
Bring back REAGAN!
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
Oh dear, this brings new meaning to the term thread necromancy?
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Though, perhaps a split in the US is exactly what it needs? It's a massive country, and to my knowledge, the largest democracy in the world, in terms of sheer popultion.
India.
To be honest, If the states were divied up by party both parties would be significantly happier. The democrats and the republicans want completely polar opposites when it comes to the future of the country. People talk about a lack of bi partison efforts... It's because there is almost no middle ground on the most prominent of the political issues, so what happens is the people swing back and forth like a pendulum trying both systems for a few years not liking it and then changing the government.. Leaving more and more people increasingly unsatisfied with the results.
I wouldn't say they want polar opposites.
I reckon America would be a lot better off if some of the smaller parties ( the libertarians, the Greens and the like) got more airtime. Seems really unfair and undemocratic the way things are set up at the moment.
GreaterGood? wrote:To be honest, If the states were divied up by party both parties would be significantly happier. The democrats and the republicans want completely polar opposites when it comes to the future of the country. People talk about a lack of bi partison efforts... It's because there is almost no middle ground on the most prominent of the political issues, so what happens is the people swing back and forth like a pendulum trying both systems for a few years not liking it and then changing the government.. Leaving more and more people increasingly unsatisfied with the results.
I think you miss the point that both parties want exactly the same future but are going about accomplishing their goals from opposite ends. There is no real rancor between professional politicians, only rhetoric.
The end goal of both parties is to leave the individual with as few rights as possible and to put the average person so far into debt that they will be obedient wage slaves for their corporate masters. Evil laughter is heard from somewhere
Officially elevated by St. God of Yams to the rank of Scholar of the Church of the Children of the Eternal Turtle Pie at 11:42:36 PM 05/01/09
If they are too stupid to live, why make them?
In the immortal words of Socrates, I drank what??!
Now back on-topic, maybe we should put it to a vote. Who wants Texas out of the Union?
Just remember if you vote Texas out, You yankees have to take George W. Bush back to his Connecticut home state.
How about this, Let Texas go and give Michigan to Canada. Then we let California split into what they really are and thats Northern and Southern. Then we bring in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.
Once Texas is on its own it will merge with mexico and become the Corporate State of Texaco.
Any other ideas?
Officially elevated by St. God of Yams to the rank of Scholar of the Church of the Children of the Eternal Turtle Pie at 11:42:36 PM 05/01/09
If they are too stupid to live, why make them?
In the immortal words of Socrates, I drank what??!
GreaterGood? wrote:To be honest, If the states were divied up by party both parties would be significantly happier. The democrats and the republicans want completely polar opposites when it comes to the future of the country. People talk about a lack of bi partison efforts... It's because there is almost no middle ground on the most prominent of the political issues, so what happens is the people swing back and forth like a pendulum trying both systems for a few years not liking it and then changing the government.. Leaving more and more people increasingly unsatisfied with the results.
There as an interesting article on fivethirtyeight, which looked at a range of political questions relevant today, and compared the answers of self-identified liberals and conservatives. The conclusion was that there was a weak pattern of correlation. So people who say that you're all Americans and that's there's no big differences are wrong. But the people who claim there's a clear divide and that means culture war are also wrong. The truth lies in the big murky middle ground beneath those two positions.
As for bipartisanship, just give it a while. US politics and it's weak party control has a lot more bipartisanship than most countries, until you start looking into proportionately represented governments and they operate on a whole different level. Just the Republican party is having a bit of fit right now, it built itself up around the fantasy of permanent majority and got tied up in some very idealistic positions, and now it's fallen out of office and gone a little insane. Give it an election cycle or two and it'll be back to the somewhat reasonable, somewhat nutty, slightly corrupt standard that's the norm for the two parties in US politics.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
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