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Here's something for all you to discuss. NOT to fight over!

A wichita Kansas doctor who performed late term abortions, was shot to death in church Sunday.

As heinous as this is, some people are saying that he got what he deserved.

I disagree with this. You can't blow someone's head off just 'cause you disagree with them.

What do you think?

Heres a link to the story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31029377/

Meh.

Some people just don't get the right to choose arguement, and seem hell bent on imposing their own beliefs on everyone else.

Ah, this is one of those hotly contested minefields. I'm pro-choice, anti-picket line etc. The parent(s) choose to have the unborn removed, not the doctor.

rubiksnoob wrote:. You can't blow someone's head off just 'cause you disagree with them.

Says it all really.

I heard it on the news this evening. Of all the places to happen...

But anyway, I didn't hear if they caught the gunman. I'm assuming gunman because it seems to be women who are the biggest proponents of abortion.

Well I am not a supporter of abortion.But it is you're choice and if you feel you need to do such a thing then go for it.I also think it is unfair to shoot a man for doing his job.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not a supporter of abortion, I think it's taking away an opportunity for a new life to exist, but it's a matter of personal opinion and for some people the burden of an unwanted child can be too great to bear.

No matter what your beliefs, you aren't allowed to kill people.
Flame on!

He performed 3rd trimester abortions. That really, literally, is killing viable babies at that point. I'm shocked he was allowed in a church, much less an usher there.

But agreed, murder is not acceptable.

Wow, getting gunned down in a church and you're a doctor to boot? What the blazes?! Oh right, small town in Kansas...

Murder is definitely not the answer to the shooter's problems but given the lack of a news article link by the OP for all we know the killer was the soon-to-be father or his significant other got killed in the abortion process. Which wouldn't make it more right but puts more shades of grey into the situation.

Ah. I forgot about the whole 'late-term abortion' thing. I didn't watch the whole report and assumed that he was a regular abortion doctor.

Late-term abortion is, in my opinion, no better than murder. It's extinguishing a life that could be classed as sentient at that point.

No matter who that person is or what they do, murder is still murder.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/kansas.doctor.killed.charges/index.html


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Cheese Elemental wrote:Ah. I forgot about the whole 'late-term abortion' thing. I didn't watch the whole report and assumed that he was a regular abortion doctor.

Late-term abortion is, in my opinion, no better than murder. It's extinguishing a life that could be classed as sentient at that point.

The problem with any fetus/baby and third trimester abortion is the differentiation of one organism from another. If it still gains sustenance from your body and hasn't differentiated itself from you as a separate organism you should be able to remove it (I really don't agree with this entirely. No need to wait until the third trimester). If it continues to live after removal, however, I'm not sure what should be done. Will a baby survive removed from the womb early left to it's own devices? No. Will a baby survive with intensive care in almost any circumstance? Maybe. But in the American health care system you need money to make things move no matter who you are. It might come as a shock to some but in America there is a check out counter in hospitals with cash registers there, and you pay, every time, a lot. And if it's one thing that notoriously doesn't have money, it's children.

Highly flammable topic indeed.

Regardless of any individual's moral position regarding abortion, it is legal in the USA.

While a few very hardline anti-abortionists might see this murder as a blow for FREEEDUUUURM, it may do their cause a disservice among moderates.

At this point there is no indication the shooter was acting on any but his own responsibility.

Kilkrazy wrote:Highly flammable topic indeed.

Regardless of any individual's moral position regarding abortion, it is legal in the USA.

While a few very hardline anti-abortionists might see this murder as a blow for FREEEDUUUURM, it may do their cause a disservice among moderates.

At this point there is no indication the shooter was acting on any but his own responsibility.

I lol'd, super hard.

Is abortion illegal in the U.K. Kilkrazy? Or do you know of anywhere it is illegal in the Western world?

They've caught the shooter at this point. No detail on the shooter from what I can find yet.

First off.... abortion is murder. I can't believe this guy thought he was a Christian and was allowed to be a member in a church.

Second off... murdering a murderer in this context is wrong and is going way to far when it comes to the pro-life movement. I understand why someone would do it, but frankly anyone that would shoot an abortionist is just an unstable fanatic and is no better than the abortionist.


GG

if he killed babies he deserved to die

How is abortion murder? if it was then doctors would be breaking the law in doing so.
shooting someone and killing them is murder.

generalgrog wrote:First off.... abortion is murder. I can't believe this guy thought he was a Christian and was allowed to be a member in a church.

No trolling right? Kidding aside, I respect your opinion.

generalgrog wrote:Second off... murdering a murderer in this context is wrong and is going way to far when it comes to the pro-life movement. I understand why someone would do it, but frankly anyone that would shoot an abortionist is just an unstable fanatic and is no better than the abortionist.

Then how is one to stop someone who is a murderer, but does it in a legal context?

Do you believe abortion is acceptable in certain situations? Such as a rape, retardation or fatal risk to both fetus and mother.

Also, do you believe it should remain illegal for someone to take their own life or for someone to assist someone else in doing so?

Murder is illegal killing, so killing someone legally is, by definition, not murder.

Playing God is far more fun than serving him apparently.

Typeline wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Highly flammable topic indeed.

Regardless of any individual's moral position regarding abortion, it is legal in the USA.

While a few very hardline anti-abortionists might see this murder as a blow for FREEEDUUUURM, it may do their cause a disservice among moderates.

At this point there is no indication the shooter was acting on any but his own responsibility.

I lol'd, super hard.

Is abortion illegal in the U.K. Kilkrazy? Or do you know of anywhere it is illegal in the Western world?

Abortion is legal in the UK under the provisions of The Abortion Act 1967 which allows abortion up to 24 weeks on the combined opinion of two doctors.

Later abortions are also allowed under special circumstances but they are rare.

Abortion is still illegal in Eire though it is legal to take counselling about it and to leave the country in order to seek an abortion elsewhere.

youngblood wrote:Playing God is far more fun than serving him apparently.

The problem is that God doesn't talk to anyone and tell them what is right, right now. No one can really know who is serving God, who is playing his role, or if he even cares/exists.


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Kilkrazy wrote:
Abortion is still illegal in Eire though it is legal to take counselling about it and to leave the country in order to seek an abortion elsewhere.

That seems rather odd. "We made abortion illegal to protect life here in Eire, but if you want one you can leave and get one".

Seems reasonable: "We made abortion illegal to protect life here in Eire, but if you're going to insist then you can leave and get a safe one elsewhere, begorrah."

Nurglitch wrote:Seems reasonable: "We made abortion illegal to protect life here in Eire, but if you're going to insist then you can leave and get a safe one elsewhere, begorrah."

I think it's a political compromise between the power of the church and the practicalities of the situation. It's fairly easy for Irish citizens to get to the UK and have an abortion if they need to.

I'm against abortion, but him being killed is wrong wrong wrong. It is a setback for both sides of the abortion argument.

Besides that basically agreeing with Frazzeled.

The morality of abortion aside, currently it is legal and as a result he has every right to go about his business without fear or harassment.

There are ways and means to legitimately oppose a law. Shooting someone certainly isn't one of them.

Oops wrong thread

^^ wrong thread Mr. Frazzled.