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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/06/02 08:04:25
Subject: Re:UBER FLAMMABLE! BEWARE!
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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dogma wrote:That's actually the point I was trying to arrive at. Sadly I hit submit before getting there. I tend to get annoyed when people attempt to pin all human suffering on religious belief, despite the presence of other factors that are nearly impossible pare away.
S'cool. I misunderstood you the first time, I think we pretty much agree on this. My earlier response was a little harsh, by the way, and I apologise, I should have given you the benefit of the doubt.
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LuciusAR wrote:Ok this has wandered dangerously off-topic and its probably only a matter of time before Fraz puts the smack down on this thread.
Any chance of getting back to the topic at hand before the mods are forced to smite what was (and could still be) an interesting debate as opposed to a pointless flamefest?
There's no way fraz would abort this thread, it's already reached the fourth pagemester.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/06/02 08:11:13
Subject: UBER FLAMMABLE! BEWARE!
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Rampaging Furioso Blood Angel Dreadnought
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Gwar! wrote:http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstats.htm
There, now you can verify my math. That was my source.
Yeah, and your numbers dont add up. Hell, your source states that it is impossible to fill the gaps in the numbers. The work does a decent job of self-criticism, but that criticism really just re-states that the vageries of historical records render it an impossible equation to define. He even gives a link to some of the contributors to his work who later bailed on his piece.
Did you read this, or just skip to the pretty numbers?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/06/02 08:17:38
Subject: UBER FLAMMABLE! BEWARE!
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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The dead doctor was presumably a Christian since he was shot after leaving church.
The shooter's religion (if any) isn't yet known. We assume he must be a Christian because in the USA it is the Christian far right who are so anti-abortion as to possibly provoke this kind of attack.
It is not the first time an abortion doctor or clinic has been shot at or bombed. Such acts are basically terrorism. Their objective is to create terror in the providers and users of the service.
I don't believe there is a terrorist plot by right-wing evangelical US churches to get rid of abortion. I think that the kind of fervour they inspire in their adherents may lead a few unbalanced individuals to commit such acts.
It is impossible to see such actions as inspired by New Testament teachings. They are clearly Old Testament in spirit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/06/02 08:23:25
Subject: UBER FLAMMABLE! BEWARE!
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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grizgrin wrote:
Yeah, and your numbers dont add up. Hell, your source states that it is impossible to fill the gaps in the numbers. The work does a decent job of self-criticism, but that criticism really just re-states that the vageries of historical records render it an impossible equation to define. He even gives a link to some of the contributors to his work who later bailed on his piece.
Did you read this, or just skip to the pretty numbers?
To carry your point even further: The source in question doesn't even deal in religion. Its a page about general mass violence which openly states that the 20 worst events in human history did not have a direct connection to religion. Unless all violence is inherently religious (a point I wouldn't necessarily be afraid of making) Gwar! has some 'splainin to do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/06/02 08:28:52
Subject: UBER FLAMMABLE! BEWARE!
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Some people are posting as if the doctor would abort ANY late term fetus. Everything I've read has said that late abortions are only done in rare cases such as the baby being doomed to an early death after being born from genetic defects, etc. This doctor is a normal doctor in that respect I assume.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/06/02 08:38:16
Subject: UBER FLAMMABLE! BEWARE!
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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namegoeshere wrote:Some people are posting as if the doctor would abort ANY late term fetus. Everything I've read has said that late abortions are only done in rare cases such as the baby being doomed to an early death after being born from genetic defects, etc. This doctor is a normal doctor in that respect I assume.
I believe that late term abortions are permitted where the mother's life or mental stability are in serious danger, or if the child would die before or shortly after birth. It's been a long running element of the pro-life movement to hide that fact, and just talk about late term abortions as if anyone can sleep around, procrastinate for six months then decide its about time to get that abortion.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/06/02 08:40:02
Subject: Re:UBER FLAMMABLE! BEWARE!
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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Gwar! wrote:I never heard of the Soviet Union Flying Planes into Skyscrapers or having Armies to invade the Middle East.
Well... where do you think Afghanistan is ?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/06/02 08:41:52
Subject: UBER FLAMMABLE! BEWARE!
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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According to Wikipedia, which I have decided to trust in this case because its information accords with other sources I have read, only a small percentage of abortions occur in the late phase of pregnancy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion#Incidence_of_later_abortion
Of course, the religious right's stance is that all abortion is wrong. They pick on late abortion because it is a photogenic target.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/06/02 08:45:28
Subject: UBER FLAMMABLE! BEWARE!
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Kilkrazy wrote:The dead doctor was presumably a Christian since he was shot after leaving church.
The shooter's religion (if any) isn't yet known. We assume he must be a Christian because in the USA it is the Christian far right who are so anti-abortion as to possibly provoke this kind of attack.
It is not the first time an abortion doctor or clinic has been shot at or bombed. Such acts are basically terrorism. Their objective is to create terror in the providers and users of the service.
I don't believe there is a terrorist plot by right-wing evangelical US churches to get rid of abortion. I think that the kind of fervour they inspire in their adherents may lead a few unbalanced individuals to commit such acts.
True, but there's no plot among the Saudis to destroy America. But certain cultures are more likely to produce violent fanatics and terrorists. The issue is whether the American religious right (having been used and abused by the conservative right for a decade or so and then dumped out into political obscurity) might be moving towards a more extreme position, where it is more likely to produce violent fanatics. But that's based mostly on that Dept of Homeland Security report, because at this point all we have is a doctor who was probably killed because he was an abortionist, and if that's true it was probably by a member of the religious right.
It is impossible to see such actions as inspired by New Testament teachings. They are clearly Old Testament in spirit.
I can't see anyone reading any book, religious or otherwise, then deciding they better go shoot somebody. This kind of crazy takes a village. Automatically Appended Next Post: reds8n wrote:Gwar! wrote:I never heard of the Soviet Union Flying Planes into Skyscrapers or having Armies to invade the Middle East.
Well... where do you think Afghanistan is ?
Asia. Where do you think it is?
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/06/02 12:13:29
Subject: UBER FLAMMABLE! BEWARE!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Gwar! wrote:I bet the Shooter was a "Christian", even though the Teaching of the Torah and New Testament (which I assume Christians Follow) forbid Murder.
It reminds me of some wisdom I heard once:
When was the last time you heard of bombs planted by Atheists in the Name of Atheism?
Hitler killed millions
Stalin and Lenin killed tens of millions
Estimates are up to 100MM killed in China in the revolutions and the following terror.
Pol Pot killed one quarter of the population.
Someone shot up a recruiting center yesterday and killed a soldier.
What was your point again? Automatically Appended Next Post: namegoeshere wrote:Some people are posting as if the doctor would abort ANY late term fetus. Everything I've read has said that late abortions are only done in rare cases such as the baby being doomed to an early death after being born from genetic defects, etc. This doctor is a normal doctor in that respect I assume.
That is not correct. He would abort any Late term baby. In the 3rd trimester its a baby. Automatically Appended Next Post: Gwar! wrote:dogma wrote:generalgrog wrote:
That's why there is a "new" covenent. They talk about the "new" covenent in this collection of books called the "new" testament.
So no, I'm not "phenomenally" incorrect. If I lived over 2,000 years ago then I would be phenomally incorect. Although I should have been a bit more clearer, I forget who I'm dealing with sometimes.
I thought you believed the Bible was the infallible word of God. Doesn't the notion of improvements to the word through the issuance of a new covenant preclude the notion that the Bible is infallible? What's more, if newer is better, then shouldn't you be reading the Koran?
No they should be Reading Diatenics or the Book of Mormon.
More proof all religion is bad for you imo.
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