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LuciusAR wrote:The morality of abortion aside, currently it is legal and as a result he has every right to go about his business without fear or harassment.

There are ways and means to legitimately oppose a law. Shooting someone certainly isn't one of them.


Couldn't have said it better myself. And plus this guy had a wife, four kids, and 10 grandkids. Talk about tragic.

Heres a link to an article I found on google. I'll put it in the original post as well.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31029377/
   
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Before I continue let me just say the following comment by me is meant as ironic, I'm not looking to offend anybody's view.

I just wonder what made the killer think that he/she had the right to kill the doctor on behalf of God. Surely God is more than able to deal with anybody who offends him?

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Uh, Frazzled, you sure you posted in the right thread?
   
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Ironhide wrote:Uh, Frazzled, you sure you posted in the right thread?

Oops-wrong thread. Sorry.


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what both of them did was wrong...

no, its not ok to shoot someone... and no, its not ok to rip someone appart and throw em out with the trash, even if that kind of murder is legal.
   
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Envy89 wrote:what both of them did was wrong...

no, its not ok to shoot someone... and no, its not ok to rip someone appart and throw em out with the trash, even if that kind of murder is legal.


QFT

Just look at the disgusting nature of late term abortion, where they poke a hole into the babys head and suck out the babies brains. Not all things that are legal are right. Slavery was legal at one point. (edited for typos..sheesh)

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and Chucky Cheese. Talk about serious evil.

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I dont understand why there is hate for this man, he did what he was ASKED to do by the parents...
THEY told him to kill their unborn baby so in what way is he responsible? when a man kills another man does the court inprison the weapon?
To me it seems illogical to blame the tool as he was merely following orders of those who legally own the baby that they are aborting.

Whether the parents should have aborted so late in the pregnancy however is a very different issue.
   
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As far as this goes i actually agree with corpse.
the doc is the gun, but not the person who pulls the trigger (no pun intended here, was just a good ref.)

all these people protest and hassle doctors, yet they are simply doing thier job.


and this topic seems a tad preachy for my liking, so ill leave having said that.

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corpsesarefun wrote:I dont understand why there is hate for this man, he did what he was ASKED to do by the parents...
THEY told him to kill their unborn baby so in what way is he responsible? when a man kills another man does the court inprison the weapon?
To me it seems illogical to blame the tool as he was merely following orders of those who legally own the baby that they are aborting.

Whether the parents should have aborted so late in the pregnancy however is a very different issue.


Doctors always have an ethical responsibility, but look at the number of abortions that take place in China and India to avoid having girl babies.

In the UK, late abortions are a tiny percentage of the total and are done for serious medical reasons.


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Is it murder when a Soldier shoots the enemy?
Is it murder when a prisoner is executed?


And interesting how all the people mentioning abortion to be wrong are men, and thus less likely to ever have to actually consider it...

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Lets not get into a discussion on the efficacy of abortion, especially late term abortion please.

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generalgrog wrote:
QFT

Just look at the disgusting nature of late term abortion, where they poke a hole into the babys head and suck out the babies brains. Not all things that are legal are right. Slavery was legal at one point. (edited for typos..sheesh)

GG


Right and wrong are meaningless concepts outside of an accepted framework. In this case the framework is the life of an individual, so right and wrong are determined by that individual.

I should also mention that if you accept the Bible as the literal word of God, and believe abortion to be wrong, then this killing was entirely justified. There is an explicit difference between killing and murder. Killing is acceptable, murder is not. If you believe the doctor murdered babies, then the man who killed did not commit murder per the Biblical definition as he was possessed of just cause.

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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And interesting how all the people mentioning abortion to be wrong are men, and thus less likely to ever have to actually consider it...


Do you mean in this forum, or in general?

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In this forum.

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and I blame King Crimson, but to each their own.

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I'm not Christian, so the theological debate is wasted on me.

The guy murdered the doctor.
It was wrong to do so.
   
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So it looks like that report a few weeks ago warning of a possible uptick in right-wing extremism may have had some merit. The Beast has an interesting article on the topic:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-01/will-pro-lifers-choose-murder/

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one murderedf does not a rise in extremism make. Several were killed and wounded at a recruiting station. Is it fair to say left wing extremism is on the rise? Edit in fact you could make a much stronger case about the rise in shooting at churches in general. We're moving towards the rate of one church shooting a month now. Are the atheists are on a killing spree?

Nope and the other argument is just as stupid.

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Even if you belive that abortion is wrong, its not grounds to kill somone.
I belive that animal experimentation is wrong but I don't go around shooting people.

You can't look at a news article and condemn somone.

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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And interesting how all the people mentioning abortion to be wrong are men, and thus less likely to ever have to actually consider it...


It's that way in every situation. I'd like for it to come down to a vote, that only women have a say on.

Frazzled wrote:one murderedf does not a rise in extremism make. Several were killed and wounded at a recruiting station. Is it fair to say left wing extremism is on the rise? Edit in fact you could make a much stronger case about the rise in shooting at churches in general. We're moving towards the rate of one church shooting a month now. Are the atheists are on a killing spree?

Nope and the other argument is just as stupid.


The shootings at churches going up shows that people no longer see church as a place of sanctuary or holiness. It's just another place to take your arguments and grievances with life.

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This particular shooting was outside a church.

There is a fine historical tradition of war and murder in churches, temples and other holy places.

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Kilkrazy wrote:This particular shooting was outside a church.

There is a fine historical tradition of war and murder in churches, temples and other holy places.


Oh, I hadn't realized it was outside. I always put any mention of church in my mind frame of what my church is laid out like. Thought it might have occurred in the hall or something.

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garret wrote:if he killed babies he deserved to die


So if someone is in a coma and the family let's them go, you would go and blow out the brains of the doctor who did it?

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It wasn't murder, it was a 271st trimester abortion.
   
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I bet the Shooter was a "Christian", even though the Teaching of the Torah and New Testament (which I assume Christians Follow) forbid Murder.

It reminds me of some wisdom I heard once:
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dogma wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
QFT

Just look at the disgusting nature of late term abortion, where they poke a hole into the babys head and suck out the babies brains. Not all things that are legal are right. Slavery was legal at one point. (edited for typos..sheesh)

GG


Right and wrong are meaningless concepts outside of an accepted framework. In this case the framework is the life of an individual, so right and wrong are determined by that individual.

I should also mention that if you accept the Bible as the literal word of God, and believe abortion to be wrong, then this killing was entirely justified. There is an explicit difference between killing and murder. Killing is acceptable, murder is not. If you believe the doctor murdered babies, then the man who killed did not commit murder per the Biblical definition as he was possessed of just cause.


Wow thanks for your daily dose of psycho babble dogma. I was really needing your intuition here.

The problem with your supposition of course, is that God or the Bible makes no commandment to go around and commit justifiable homicide. In fact it's just the opposite.

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Gwar! wrote:I bet the Shooter was a "Christian", even though the Teaching of the Torah and New Testament (which I assume Christians Follow) forbid Murder.

It reminds me of some wisdom I heard once:
When was the last time you heard of bombs planted by Atheists in the Name of Atheism?


You ever heard of the Soviet Union?

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generalgrog wrote:
Gwar! wrote:I bet the Shooter was a "Christian", even though the Teaching of the Torah and New Testament (which I assume Christians Follow) forbid Murder.

It reminds me of some wisdom I heard once:
When was the last time you heard of bombs planted by Atheists in the Name of Atheism?


You ever heard of the Soviet Union?

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generalgrog wrote:

Wow thank for your daily dose of psycho babble dogma. I was really needing your intuition here.


Its not intuition, its basic logic. You can't say something is right or wrong without having a standard against which to judge the thing itself. Unless you're willing to say that you have a right to determine the biological affairs of another person you cannot lay claim to a legitimate ban on abortion.

generalgrog wrote:
The problem with your supposition of course, is that God or the Bible makes no commandment to go around and commit justifiable homicide.


That's phenomenally incorrect. The OT is littered with examples of justifiable homicide in the course of war, self-defense, and protection of the innocent.


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Gwar! wrote:I never heard of the Soviet Union Flying Planes into Skyscrapers or having Armies to invade the Middle East.


Are you seriously trying to make the case that the Soviet Union was morally superior simply because it militantly enforced an Atheistic worldview? Really?

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