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Seriously; they're not worth the points regardless of what you give them ever; Why do people play with them? I mean look at what you get for their point cost of a " Crisis team". Sorry if this kind of rant but seriously Ive tired of them so much.

20 Points for a Plasma Rifle

18 Points for a Twin Linked Autocannon

4 Points for a flamer is not bad I guess.


The points are just horribly skewed toward not using them at all; they have toughness four big deal a Missile Launcher kills them outright so do alot of other things. Theyre horrible when they get assaulted.

So what are the benefits of Tau Crisis Suits other than Broadsides whihc are actually rather efficient in points.

Wow. An entire troll-thread.

What else are you going to use?

My Farsight bomb based army-list comprised heavily of suits will kill your army. I don't care what army you play, I'll still kill it. Don't hate on suits simply because you either don't know how to use them, have no tactical ability, or get owned by them regularly.

Their mobility magnifies the usefulness of their weaponry, as does their ability to carry multiple weapons per suit. No suit goes into battle carrying just 1 plasma rifle.

JSJ, particularly with the better cover in 5th ed makes them fairly survivable, dispite vulerability to anti-tank weaponry. Having 2 wounds also makes them reasonable tough against massed small arms fire. Thay're also almost the only thing you can take that isn't str-5 or str-10.

My skumgrod plays TAU and does quite well with his suits. They ,of course, should not be cast out into the open all willy nilly like. Being on the receiving end of fish'ead suits has caused me to develop a healthy respect for them.

They're horribly inefficient; I play heavy mech with minimum suits evertime I go for the Tau Crisis suits I think Hrmm; I could be spending this on more Warfishes or more Seeker Missiles or more anything really.

The changes to terrain in 5ed did nerf Crisis Suits a bit, as typical terrain doesn't block LOS completely to the rather large suits. If you can play on a board with good sized hills or ruins then they become pretty deadly. They are still pretty solid choices though even with weak 4ed terrain. Also in 5ed you can play wound allocation games with them and shield drones for added durability.

I've learned the hard way, the bastards are scary as feth and my boyz don't like 'em. Far from useless, they keep running away before you can get in enough good shots to take them down.

Get back under your bridge, troll.

They're are far more efficient units in the army than the Crisis Battlesuits.

They're statlines ; are bad; options still not that great; small model count makes them completely vulnerable to pinning; or well anything really that affects leadership.

Okay at its max lets say you do take 6 shield drones; for 120 points base 120 points.


That's slowed stop using them.

By your logic, nobody should use anything other than gunline armies, because all that matters is firepower!

Even though a Guardsman with an Autocannon is 25 points, and Plasma, autocannons, most MCs, ALL PFs, and every other form of S6+ IDs them, and their save is denied by bolters.


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Hollismason wrote:They're are far more efficient units in the army than the Crisis Battlesuits.

They're statlines ; are bad; options still not that great; small model count makes them completely vulnerable to pinning; or well anything really that affects leadership.

Okay at its max lets say you do take 6 shield drones; for 120 points base 120 points.

That's slowed stop using them.

You do not know how to use semicolons, stop trying.
Their statlines are great, they are Ld8 and NOBODY uses pinning,
And so you can't take 50 Shield drones, so what? Who needs shield drones, just JSJ out of the way.

You're slowed stop posting.


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Hollismason wrote:Warfishes

The Plural of Fish is Fish.
Try paying attention in school junior.

Point for Point there are better options in the codex than these haphazardly thrown together expensive units.

Broadsides come to mind as they come with 2 very excellent weapons and a 2 + save for 70 points... Why would you even take them over broadsides.


The points are vastly overpriced.

Obvious troll is obvious.

becuase you can get more shots from the crisis suits and there more versitle

horde armys try a tl flammer crisis team

megs plasma rifle and missle pods

vs mechinzied its prob better to take broadsides but a str 10 shot to kill a guardsman or any other trooper is simply overkill

yes broadsides are awsome for the points but crisis suits are best for ther versitilty and mobility

LOL AT THE TROLL GUYS. MOMMY, THROW A ROCK AT IT, I WANT TO SEE IT VOMIT AGAIN. THATS ALL THIS THREAD IS.

Hollismason wrote:Point for Point there are better options in the codex than these haphazardly thrown together expensive units.

Broadsides come to mind as they come with 2 very excellent weapons and a 2 + save for 70 points... Why would you even take them over broadsides.

This kinda says it all.


Yes, there are better options if your suits are "haphazardly thrown together". But equipped with a plan in mind and played accordingly, they are excellent.

Yes, Broadsides are good, but they aren't exactly in competition with Crisis suits for force org. slots, are they?
Broadsides have a different role than Crisis'.

Sigh. Hollismason, listen up and listen good. I am a noob at Tau but even I understand this.
-Crisis suits are mobile and hard to shoot at, JSJ. (Hover you mouse over JSJ to find out what it means)
-They pack a helluva punch.
-Are flexible in design and builds, they can pump out tons of mid strength shots, take flamers TL Fusion etc...
-Don't take up heavy support slots, so not in competition with Broadsides so please stop crying and take both if you like.
-Small sized, means you can hide them relatively easily (still no 4th ed, but hey)

One day you will realize that one TL strength 10 shot is good, but 4 strength 7 shots are a good option too.

Like everything else, they have their use. Have a plan for them, equip them accordingly and execute it. If it didn't work go back to the drawing board.

If you don't like them that much, don't play them, but don't come trolling.

If you want advice on how to use them or equip them then ask for it. If you don't agree with the advice then present a rational and thought-through counter-argument. If you're not willing to do this then why the hell are you posting in a tactics forum??

Hollismason wrote

The points are just horribly skewed toward not using them at all; they have toughness four big deal a Missile Launcher kills them outright so do alot of other things. Theyre horrible when they get assaulted.

If a Broadside takes a krak missile and fails its save it will die as well, and a las cannon will negate that 2+ save.

Is there really anything in the Tau codex that is decent when it gets assaulted?

Crisis suits are one the the most flexible units I can think of. The have lots of weapon options allowing them to specialize their role to cover something the army might lack. They have the ability to hide behind area terrain, vehicles, buildings, wrecks and still keep their offensive output. They can deep strike in to ensure that they make it to their target.
The big advantage I see is that even though they might be a tad expensive they remain effective in many different configurations.

Most of the things in the Tau codex are over-pointed. Crisis suits have the ability to wield a large variety of weapons which isn't found anywhere (or in very few places) elsewhere in the codex, such as missile pods, plasma rifles, and flamers.

Just so you don't think you're being picked on unfairly, Hollismason, this is a "troll thread". You really seem like you set out to start arguments about this topic rather than an actual discussion with point and counterpoint. If you really do want to know why people use Crisis Suits, you'd ask that question, with the explanation that you don't see their value but would like to see how others see their value. Your posts show that you're more interested in your own viewpoint than other people's.

Crisis Suits are overpriced, but they fill roles that no other unit in the army will. You can't get flamers or missile pods anywhere else, and fusion blasters are only available elsewhere on Piranhas, which put a much higher price tag on the weapon (including chassis). You can get plasma on Broadsides, but the railguns really outshine them there.

Transports with AV10 or AV11 are prominent right now in 40k. Can you come up with a unit that's more efficient at popping these transports than a Crisis Suit with missile pods? They're not always the worst choice, and fill a lot of holes in the codex.

I think Iorek really cover it the best. The Tau army is very limited in its weapon options. The Crisis suit is often the only place (or at least the only reasonable place) to find specialist weaponry. Fusion guns for heavy tanks or hiding artillery, Flamers for massed hords, Plasma for TEQs, For all of these, crisis suits are really the only option.

I've taken a 5&10 army before in Tau (only str 5&str10 weapons), It works, but you start to really miss those special weapons.

Iorek wrote:Crisis Suits are overpriced, but they fill roles that no other unit in the army will. You can't get flamers or missile pods anywhere else, and fusion blasters are only available elsewhere on Piranhas, which put a much higher price tag on the weapon (including chassis). You can get plasma on Broadsides, but the railguns really outshine them there.

Transports with AV10 or AV11 are prominent right now in 40k. Can you come up with a unit that's more efficient at popping these transports than a Crisis Suit with missile pods? They're not always the worst choice, and fill a lot of holes in the codex.

Very well said.

Everything in tau land has to be looked at with the idea that the unit you are shooting at could quite possibly have 4 markerlights on it.

3x fireknives shoot at a plaguemarine unit that has 4 markerlights on it. Burn 2 markerlights for BS5 and 2 to make their cover save a 6+. They move up and shoot, 5 hits with plasma and 5 hits with missile pods. 3 PM die to plasma and 1 dies to missile pods. on average thats 4 dead.

Stabilized broadsides use one markerlight to bump to BS4, and 3 markerlights to rip off cover. They only kill 2.4 plaguemarines. And they cost 240 points to the 3x fireknives 186.

broadsides are indeed really efficient at killing tanks. But the infantry killing should be left to the crisis suits. With the suits you get good 'hard infantry' kill, but you don't sacrfice any transport kill in order to do so. In the age of the transport, they are a really good gap filler.

Overcosted due to an older codex? Yes. Should we use them anyway? Yes.

Im just horribly unimpressed by Crisis suits performance; all other units seem to perform much better.

I have the exact opposite experience, Suits do a lot, and nothing else does.

Hollismason wrote:Im just horribly unimpressed by Crisis suits performance; all other units seem to perform much better.

To echo Dietrich...

What do you use instead?

9x broadsides?

Stealth suits?

Don't tell me you are a fire warrior spammer.

Broadsides x 3 with 2 squads

Skyray ( shut up i like the model)

Fast Attack

Pathfinders

Pathfinders

Troop

Firewarrior x2 to go in the Warfish

Kroot sometimes



Pirahna x 5

Pirahna x 5

( I use vassal currently or paperhammer to see if I like it; have only like 3 real pirahnas. Working with a army that revolves around 15 but unsure of some rules)

Elite

3 w/ Missilepod Targeter
Head dude with Missile pod


Ive tried missile pod fireknifes etc.. just doesnt seem to work as well.

Hollismason wrote:Broadsides x 3 with 2 squads

Skyray ( shut up i like the model)

Fast Attack

Pathfinders

Pathfinders

Troop

Firewarrior x2 to go in the Warfish

Kroot sometimes



Pirahna x 5

Pirahna x 5

( I use vassal currently or paperhammer to see if I like it; have only like 3 real pirahnas. Working with a army that revolves around 15 but unsure of some rules)

Elite

3 w/ Missilepod Targeter
Head dude with Missile pod


Ive tried missile pod fireknifes etc.. just doesnt seem to work as well.

I'd love to run a list like this... unfortunately, you are running 4 fast attack.

Don't worry I like skyrays but they don't put out like a crisis team...

I like piranhas, i like a single broadside unit, i LOVE pathfinders. But I think if you just spam out broadsides and ignore crisis suits you are going to have problems with heavy infantry rush and FNP. I know my markerlight powered plasma rifles save me constantly once demons, SM and CSM get in my face. I wish they weren't 20 points. But multi-shot ap2 that can (and consistently does) get to ignore cover is a godsend when you can't CC your way out of a paper bag. IMO of course.

(In response to Hollismason):
I can see partially where you're coming from.

The Skyray isn't a terrible choice, especially with that many Pathfinders. You can do a decent alpha strike, especially on those AV10/AV11 transports with it, and then you have mobile markerlights for the rest of the game that can tank shock. You've got your railguns covered, and although I highly recommend Kroot to help screen them, they seem to be working for you.

Are you running the Piranhas with fusion blasters?

Yeah as for the 4 fast attack no I swap out Pathfinders for Pirahnas and yes I use fusion blasters which so far have done very well.

I'm wondering how you deal with MCs with 2+ saves or units with FNP? Plasma seems your best bet against such foes.